One of the moms in that picture saying, quote, my baby would have died if she had stayed in venezuela. Important reminder of the struggles that country is still facing. The photographer here, nachos doche from reuters. You can send me a snapchat or instagram. More news nor from ali vels who only has good things to say. Good afternoon. Ill probably catch you later this afternoon. Thursday august 23rd, lets get smarter. Michael cohen, tell me about your relationship with him. He was a lawyer for me for one of many. They would say the lawyer and they would add the fixer. I dont know if he was a fixer. Yo i dont know where that term came from. He didnt do big deals. Small deals. Turned out he wasnt that good,
frankly. Did the funds come out of the campaign . They didnt come out of the campaign, they came from me. Its not even a campaign violation. If you look at president obama, he had a Massive Campaign violation, but he had a different attorney general. Almost everybody that runs for office has campaign violations, but what Michael Cohen pled to werent even campaignrelated. They westerent crimes. If thaeyre not illegal, why would he use that information for a plea deal . Because he makes a better deal when he uses me, like everyone else. One of the reasons i respect Paul Manafort so much is he went through that trial. Its called flipping and it ought to almost be illegal. They make up things and now they go from ten years to theyre a national hero. Are you considering pardoning Paul Manafort . I have Great Respect in terms of what hes done and what hes gone through, and i would say what he did, some of the charges they threw against him, every
consultant, every lobbyist in washington probably does. Jeff sessions, there are rumors youre going to fire him after the midterms and rosenstein. They also want these documents. Theyre wondering if you will use your power to get these documents released . At the right time, i think ill have to give them the documents. I didnt want to, but i think im going to have to. There is such corruption. Its the Obama Administration. You look at what happened. They surveilled my campaign. Its very simple. The pfizer report, the phony Paul Manafort signed the pfizer report. Will you fire him, will you fire sessions . I wanted to stay uninvolved, but when everyone sees whats going on in the Justice Department i always put justice now in quotes its a very sad day. Jeff sessions recused himself, which he shouldnt have done. What kind of man is this . And by the way, he was on the campaign. He knows there was no collusion. Whats come out of manafort . No collusion. Whats come out of Michael Cohen. No collusion. If the democrats take back power, do you believe theyll try to impeach you . I guess its Something Like high crimes and all. I dont know how you can impeach somebody who has done a great job. I tell you what, if i ever got impeached, i think the market would crash. I think everybody would be very poor. I give myself an aplus. I dont think any president has ever done what ive done in the short term. Is the press the enemy . No, but the fake news is. And the fake news is a big chunk, okay . Somebody said, whats the chunk . I said 80 . Its a lot. How close, i want to know, did this jury come to convicting Paul Manafort on all 18 counts . By one. There was one holdout. What was their reasoning, if they shared it with you . Reasonable doubt on the person,
person. A female juror, we all tried to convince her to look at the paper trail. We laid it out in front of her again and again, and she still said that she had a reasonable doubt. Wow. The president may have admitted to a federal crime this morning in an otherwise softball interview on fox news. Thats the kind he usually has there. It came when mr. Trump was asked about hush money. Hush money his own attorney arranged to porn stars. Hush money paid to keep their alleged affairs with trump quiet. Hush money to keep them quiet right before the 2016 president ial election. They didnt come out of the campaign, they came from me, and i tweeted about it. I dont know if you know, but i tweeted about the payments. But they didnt come out of campaign. But thats exactly the problem. The Huffington Post points out that if the payments came out of the campaign, there wouldnt be a problem, but they would have
unreal, so unimportant, so mystical that there wont be public outcry. Noah crew has responded to giulianis tweet with a threat that ended this way. When giuliani said trump spent the money and nothing illegal happened, are they telling you how nothing illegal happened . Thats true in two ways. As you already said, the fact the money did not come from the campaign means it was a contribution to the campaign, which makes it that kind of an illegal contribution. And in addition, the fact that the president is essentially saying that Michael Cohen paid this, and he, the president , knew that he was paying cohen back later, the following year, means that this was a debt for Michael Cohen a debt to Michael Cohen that the president owed that he need to ed to repon
his Financial Disclosure forms in 2017. He did not do that. That is a false statement. Thats also a federal crime. And his statements and his lawyers statements seem to provide a lot of extra evidence of that crime as well. All right, ken delaney, i want to ask you about his comments in that interview about Paul Manafort. He was asked clearly whether he would pardon or hes considering pardoning Paul Manafort. He didnt actually say no. This is the second time in two daisies been asked. He didnt say no. He does Paul Manafort is a fine guy and the whole thing is unfair. I think its very clear hes giving serious consideration to pardoning Paul Manafort. If you think about the law in this country, that interview was a travesty, because the president of the United States basically suggested his own justice prosecutors are routinely putting liars on the stand to convict innocent people. He said, i use the term justice in quotes, to talk about the justice of the United States of america. Professionals inside The Department who told him he had to recuse in this situation. So the president s suggestion that sessions is not a real man, which i think he says during that interview, because he recused himself, demonstrates that the president is more interested in protecting himself than in protecting the country. Because this investigation started as a look into russian interference with the election. And i always go back to this reminder that the president wanted to shortcircuit that investigation, the investigation of russian influence over an american election. Thats such a difficult thing for all of us still to wrap our minds around. Noah, lets talk about the president s reference to how can you impeach a guy, and he made a reference to high crimes and misdemeanors. Lets go to section 4 of article 2 of the United States constitution where it says the president , Vice President and all civil officers of the United States shall be removed from office on impeachment and or conviction of treason, bribery or other high crimes and misdemeanors. Is the bribery part part of this
that put you into that ballpark. Thanks to all three of you. We have to continue to analyze this because it is that complicated. Ken delanian. What markets actually worked for the stocks of bill clintons impeachment . Youre watching ali velshi live on msnbc. If youre turning 65, you may be learning about medicare and supplemental insurance. Medicare is great, but it doesnt cover everything. Only about 80 of your part b medicare costs. A Medicare SupplementInsurance Plan may help cover some of the rest. Learn how an aarp Medicare SupplementInsurance Plan, insured by Unitedhealthcare Insurance Company might be the right choice for you. A free Decision Guide is a great place to start. Call today to request yours. So what makes an aarp Medicare Supplement plan unique . These are the only Medicare Supplement plans endorsed by aarp because they meet aarps high standards of quality and service. Youre also getting the great features that any Medicare Supplement plan provides. You may choose any doctor that accepts medicare patients. You can even visit a specialist. With this type of plan
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basis for President Trump to say the markets would crash if he were impeached. If the president actually believes that, and he might because his selfabsorption is so complete that he seems to think that everything revolves around him. If he actually believes that, hes completely out of touch with reality. Were in, ali, as you know, a nineyear bull market, most of which occurred under president obama. If you take the totality of president obamas eight years in office, the dow is up 149 during that time. The dow is up about 29 during trumps presidency is so far. It is true that in 2017, there was a market boost that i think in part was inspired by the actions he was taking on deregulation, in part of the expectation of tax cuts. And so the market continued to go up deep late into the recovery pretty sharply last year. However, its basically flat
this year because the actions the president is taking on trade are damaging to economic prospects in the future. And so, no, the economy would the markets would not crash if the president left. There might be a blip associated with the uncertainty, but the markets ultimately are going to respond to economic fundamentals, corporate profitability if trump left. By the way, the evidence of that is the last two years where there have been all sorts of things where traditionally you and me would have said, wow, thats going to affect the markets negatively. Because as corporations continue to be profitable, markets continue to go up. That could change. Were well into a period of growth. Were ten years into a bull market, almost. That independently could turn around. Well, in fact, the fact that the trump tax cuts frontloaded some Economic Activity but have
increased Budget Deficits and the effects of that, the effects of the president s Trade Policies have a lot of forecasters upgrading the possibility of a recession by 2020. That is because of or connected with actions that the president has taken. So, yes, the economy is going to turn down at some point. We havent repealed the business cycle. There will be a recession. But its not going to be triggered by donald trump leaving office. You could make an argument that markets would feel a lot more calm and have certainty reduced if mike pence was president rather than donald trump. John harwood, thank you very much. Joining me now is oscar goolsby, officer of advisers for President Trump. Lets stay on that for a second. That is a good threat the president is making to a lot of americans, saying, well, look, the one thing youve got going for you is these markets are going well. If i am impeached, it will tank
the markets. Whats your take . I think you actually missed the dynamic there. I dont think the president was engaged in an observation, i dont think he was making an economic forecast. I think he was making a threat. I think he was saying, hey, the economy is looking pretty good. It would be a shame if somebody were to burn it down, say somebody who had control over launching trade wars, changing regulations, applying tax rates to different groups. I think everybody should take a step back and ask yourself, do you honestly think that if they move to impeach donald trump, hes not going to try to burn it to the ground . I think thats what he said in that statement. So the president made sort of unprecedented comments the other day about disagreeing with the Federal Reserve in terms of increasing Interest Rates. A lot of president s and president ial candidates have said in the rearview mirror, the fed didnt help me out by raising Interest Rates while i was in office. But the bottom line is the president implied that the fed is whats going to slow this economy down, and i want to get
Coverage of national and international news, including breaking stories. Publicly saying, wait, put this off. Do not do this now, its not a good moment. I think its very dangerous. Whats the answer to this . Donald trump hit on Something Interesting when he started the discussion on china being unfair. There are a lot of people who will argue that on certain levels, china is unfair to u. S. Competition and does things that are not appropriate, that are not becoming of a country as big as china thats in the International Trade universe. What would be the right way to handle this . Look, what i will say is donald trump is not the first person to discover that china engages in taking other countries intellectual property. Weve tried a lot of different actions to change the behavior. The Obama Administration negotiated a Transpacific Partnership with all the Major Economies of asia to try to get
them in a united way with allies confront chinese behavior. Thats how you do it. Thats how we have succeeded in changing their behavior in the past. What you dont do is you dont simultaneously declare trade wars on all your allies and then turn to china and say, ah, now we want you to change because it leads to what were saying now. China goes to the people that are our allies and asks them, do you want to join us in filing grievances against the United States, and they do it. Thats the mistake. Austan, good to talk to you as always. The former chairman of the economic adviser to President Trump. Taking an unprecedented step using your tax dollars meant for books and learning to put weapons inside classrooms. First, a reminder that more than 15,000 students in 217 schools have experienced gun violence in school since the columbine
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support additional education initiatives and Mental Health, the first thing people like betsy devos or The Gun Manufacturers or the nra do when there is a shooting like the one who killed my daughter. They say, look at Mental Health. Now they want to take the money from Mental Health to put guns in schools arming teachers. I have no problem with armed security. Right. But somebody tell me how its going to work arming a teacher. Where is the gun . Is it on the person . Because thats a problem. Or is it locked away . And if its locked away, how does the teacher get to it when somebody is Walking Around with an ar15 like happened with my daughter . Are they spending time fumbling nervously with a key to open a lock box, not protecting kids who need them in that critical minute . Teachers have said many times, a, were teachers. Its a different set of skills than a Security Officer or a police officer. B, our instinct is to protect
our kids first, and c, because were not well trained at these things, nor do we necessarily wish to be, you know, a teacher wii heve had teache say to us, what if its a fellow citizen with a gun . We are going to think nine times before shooting that person because our instinct is to protect them. What if another student gets injured in the commission of trying to shoot someone . Teachers are saying, there is a problem, but were not equipped to be the people that shoot shooters. Ali, everything they do is designed around the fact listen, she had this conference last week. She looked at parents from parkland and santa fe who were there and looked them in the eye and said, were taking this seriously. But she would not allow the issue of guns to be discussed at this press conference. In fact, there were several speakers who wanted to mention guns, and they had to wipe it from their prepared remarks. So it couldnt be discussed last week as a factor, and it couldnt be discussed as a potential factor going forward, but now theyre going to roll this out on us today . Its a Terrible Idea and they know it. And the problem is, if i dont deal honestly with the issue of guns, youre going to start throwing bandaids at a much bigger problem. So, okay, we do all this stuff now, lets arm teachers and everybody else. What do we now do with the thousands of kids who walk into and out of School Every Day . Theyll now become the new Sitting Ducks if we dont deal honestly with the issue of guns. Arming teachers is a terrible, Terrible Idea. What does it look like . When you say, lets deal honestly with guns, what does that look like to you . Well, first things first. Let me tell you, everyone who says we need to deal with Mental Health and we need to actually secure schools, i totally
support and agree with them. The problem is there are those who want to stop the conversation there and i dont. We also need to deal with the issue of guns. Its not an either or. Look what we did in florida. We raised the access to guns to 21. You Dont Have Kids With Access to guns that they might otherwise do something with. How about Red Flag Laws . Theyve already saved lives here in florida. Theyve been used a lot to remove weapons from someone who intends harm. They are working. How about background Check Systems that work without the loopholes and without the garbage . How about a real waiting period so that we give emotional factors a chance to dissipate before someone can run out and go buy a gun. There are so many things we can do that just make sense. So why spend our time on the ones that dont. And what this secretary of education, who should care about education, is doing, says lets pull money from educating to buy mill to buy all these weapons to throw at teachers who dont want them. Listen, my daughter died in school. I still have a son in school. This so enrages me, and what this does is this makes for certain, this november election is critical. And everyone should go to this election making the issue of gun safety in this country the number one issue that they vote on. They should make it an orange wave in november, because it is the number one issue theyll be voting on. This administration is trying to while trump throws out a new tweet every hour, i call it the trump dog biscuit, they are doing real policy things that are impacting people, and not in a positive way. Fred, thanks again for being with us. Thanks for all the strong work youre doing in the memory of your beautiful daughter. She would be very, very proud of the fact that you and all the others associated with the Parkland Community will not give this fight up so that other students may live. Frank, good to see you again. Thank you. Have a great day. Thank you. For the first time as President Donald Trump is tweeting about africa, he jumped into a racially charged debate underway in south africa and took sides with white farmers. Here is how the president is inspiring white nationalists. Youre watching Velshi And Ruhle on msnbc. Now after booking your flight, you unlock discounts on select hotels right until the day you leave. Addon advantage. Discounted hotel rates when you add on to your trip. Only when you book with expedia. For this free Decision Guide. Inside youll find the range of aarp Medicare Supplement plans and their rates. Apply any time, too. Oh. Speaking of time. About a little over half way and theres more to tell. Like, how. 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Hes obviously spoken about africa before in reference to s countries. The president was hitting back on efforts by Soit Aftuth Afric ruling parties allowing the government to redistribute land without compensation. Its part of racial inequality that existed for a quarter century after the end of apartheid. The president of south africa has begun seizing land from his own citizens without compensation because they are the wrong skin color. That is literally the definition of racism. Its totally okay for south africa to steal property for racist reasons because they are, quote, a strong democracy. After watching that segment, the president tweeted that hes asking his Secretary Of State to, quote, closely study the south africa land and farm seizures and the largescale killing of farmers. South africas government slammed the president in response, tweeting, south africa totally rejects this narrow perception which only seeks to divide our nation and remind us of our colonial past. I want to bring in malcolm naz who worked in Public Relations in africa. Malcolm, this is a nuance issue. What is the actual problem in south africa. The actual problem in south africa is an enormous, almost 40 , Unemployment Rate of the majority of the people in south africa who are the south african blacks. As you know, up until the apartheid, the nation was divided into three classes of people. Whites, who are about 80 of the population, coloreds, who are
about 10 which is mixed race. Indian subcontinent, people like that, mixed race. And the ethnic population which is the majority there, the blacks of south africa. They have this enormous Unemployment Rate, as many as 20 million out of 55 Million People that are unemployed or living on basic subsistence in south africa. So, really, its crime in south africa is almost exclusively the domain of the poor and unemployed in that country. Lets go over some of the responses on twitter to the president s tweet. Laura lumer says, before we get involved in south africa, i hope the president realizes we have our own battle in america. Jihadis are running for office. South africa serves as a warning of european heritage all over the world. If we lose control of our country, things will go poorly for us. And the voters you know, these are people who the president is kocounting on to sy in his base so it works for him to bring up this idea of south africa, warning people it could happen to us. I think this is part of the context you bring up. South africa is not america. Its history is very, very different from america. Its got a very long history under apartheid and in the quarter century since of not figuring out how to redistribute wealth and make the majority prosperous. Right, youre absolutely right. And you have to understand something. Just up until 1994 when apartheid ended, that threetiered system of which some people were less than humans and the rest the whites were the majority moved the government. 95 of the land was in the hands of 8 of the people. Yep. And so the other tens of millions of people had absolutely no opportunity even
to be success sbsistence farmer certain extent. Fortunately they had a good, peaceful transition when i was there in capetown which was full of diversity despite the fact there was a very high crime rate there. This nation is a nation of transition. For the president to jump into this without any understanding of the situation, without understanding even the dynamics that are on the ground, he essentially pushed, and not even all right. There was a south african neonazi movement there which pushes this White Genocide farmer attack meme. Theyve had 50 farmers killed in the last year. When you consider the size of the country out of 55 Million People, we dont even know if they were all white farmers. These were deaths on farms where most people work. So the president has really just jumped right into the middle of a white supremacist meme and has tried to use that as some sort of step stone to inform the
american public of something that none of us can understand. Certainly the people at the cia, africa desk and state Department Must be pulling their hair out right now. Malcolm, good to talk to you as always. Were 75 days to the midterm elections. Up next, how President Trump admitted criminal activity will help or hurt the midterm elections and Supreme Court nominee brett kavanaugh. That doesnt exist. Rick, do you give him an aplus . The best ill give him, ali, is a participation trophy. Donald trump is a great Self Promoter but there is a level of selfdiluti selfdelusion from this guy that defies comedy, even. Lets talk about the problem with that, though. If were not able to be in the least selfcritical, this is a problem. The world is closing in on donald trump on a million fronts right now, which weve been covering the last few weeks. At some point there might be some redemption in being able to say, all right, i get it, i dont surround myself with the best people, yeah, i did say that, yeah, that was really bad, i shouldnt have done that. But the inability of him to do any of that stuff and then move straight into threats and criticism really does sort of harden the opposition to the president in that this guy cant be trusted with important things because he sort of lies about
everything and doesnt actually understand where hes getting things wrong. Sure. Look, introspection is not Donald Trumps strong point. And unfortunately when youre the president the United States, you need to be able to look at the broader picture beyond your selfinterest, your own ego, your own needs, and make judgments about your leadership. And if you think youve only gotten gold stars and only gotten apluses, youre not going to change anything. I think there are a majority of americans who are certainly concerned about Donald Trumps leadership on a whole variety of fronts. Yes, the folks that support him think he can do no wrong. But the rest of america is worried that this is a guy who is not terribly stable. Look, waking up in the middle of the night to tweet in all caps is not a sign of confident leadership. Its a sign of a terrified old man who feels the walls closing in. This is a guy who like i said, theres no introspection here and i wouldnt expect any to come. Hes basically a bluffer and hell try to double down on this im perfect and the rest of you are lying theory in regards to the cases. Your book is called everything trump touches dies. Were hoping the everything is not america. But the Republican Party, a party of which you have been a member, we are seeing some republicans, very, very few, congressman tom cole told the New York Times that where theres smoke, theres a lot of smoke, there may well be a fire. But generally speaking were not seeing republicans break from donald trump in the way that at around this time into the Nixon Administration when watergate was breaking, we started to see republicans move away because nixon was becoming an albatross. Theres something about the politics here thats different. Sure. Look, the future of the Republican Party is a big gamble right now. Its become this party of trump and its got a selfreinforcing media silo. Its got the Fox News Side and
the breitbart and the online Cheer Sections for trump that now sort of terrify rank and file republicans from saying anything about this guy. Theyre afraid of his social media power. So you end up in a situation where the party has become subsumed by trumps fortunes, weath whether they rise or fall. Its a terrible bet, because i think my theory plays out constantly and consistently. I mean, just Paul Manafort and Michael Cohen on paper should now be Masters Of The Universe but instead theyre both admitted if or convicted felons. Rick, can you ever get your party back . Its going to take a shock, its going to take some serious work and introspection on the part of leaders who collapsed in front of trump because they thought this nationalist populism and statism will be the wave of the future. Its a going to be a tough ride. Rick wilson is the author of
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