Were detailing was happening there, mick, this was a routine Training Mission here . Reporter as far as we know. Now, they do have the marines do have a Live Fire Range thats outlined in the open waters off oahu. Not clear that they were conducting live fire Training Missions, but that would certainly be one of the possible nighttime Training Missions that they would be undertaking. All right, mick. Again, 12 missing after the collision of two marine helicopters off hawaii. Well continue to bring you any information on that search and rescue happening right now. Also this morning, republican president ial candidates back on the campaign trail after sparring in their first debate of the year. In the last hour, jeb bush picked up an endorsement from his former rival, South Carolina senator lindsey graham. Meanwhile, we have live pictures of Donald Trumps rally. Its set to get under way in iowa any minute now. With just 17 days to go before the iowa caucuses, candidates are shifting their focus, of course, to that important state. Trump is coming off a night that saw him sparring with ted cruz, a clear sign that their truce is over. One of their sharpest exchanges came early over cruzs eligibility to be president. Back in september, my friend, donald, said that he had had his lawyers look at this from every which way, and there was no issue there, there was nothing to this birther issue. Now [ laughter ] since september, the constitution hasnt changed. I already know that democrats are going to be bringing a suit. You have a big lawsuit over your head while youre running, and if you become the nominee, who the hell knows if you can even serve in office . So, you should go out, get a declaratory judgment, let the courts decide, and you shouldnt have mentioned the polls, because that would have been much better. But why now . Why are you raising this issue now. Because now hes doing a little bit better. Another Bitter Exchange came after senator cruz repeated a line hes recently adopted on the trail, denouncing trumps socalled new york values. Everyone understands that the values in new york city are socially liberal, are proabortion, are pro gay marriage, focused around the money and media. When the World Trade Center came down, i saw something that no place on earth could have handled more beautifully, more humanly than new york. We rebuilt downtown manhattan, and everybody in the world watched and everybody in the world loved new york and loved new yorkers. And i have to tell you, that was a very insulting statement that ted made. Now, trump wasnt the only one in cruzs cross hairs. He also went after senator marco rub rubio. They engaged over the issue of immigration, National Security and even taxes. That Rubio Schumer amnesty bill, one of the things it did was it expanded Barack Obamas power to let in syrian refugees. You used to support people coming here legally and now youre against it. You used to say you were in favor of birthright citizenship, now youre against it. I appreciate you dumping your Research Folder on the debate. Its your record. And katy tur is in charleston, South Carolina, the site of the debate, along with Hallie Jackson in South Carolina, where cruz is campaigning. And with us, Chris Jansing traveling in iowa with trump. Chris, ill start with you, because we are waiting for this rally to begin. Another big crowd. What are you hearing from people there as it relates to whether or not they are solidly now behind donald trump after this last debate performance . Reporter look, weve been seeing it, right, and we hear it as we go and we talk to people, that this enthusiasm is building. The question has been out there for a very long time, has been, hes bringing all these new people in. Many of them are standing in this crowd right now who have never been to a caucus before. Theyve taken time off of work or last weekend when i was in ottumwa, they stood in subfreezing temperatures for an hour and a half. Many of them never even got into the hall. They had to be in an adjacent room where they watched him on a television. They say theyre going to come out. That really is sort of the big question here. Iowa is tailormade for ted cruz. I mean, this is a state where 56 of voters last time around on the republican side were christian evangelicals. One of cruzs most popular surrogates in this state is a dad, a minister. And so, as i talked to donald trump as he was going on into morning joe this morning, you know, hes feeling and his campaign is feeling confident and maybe even a tiny bit surprises about the way things are going in iowa. If it happens that he comes tantalizingly close or wins here, it really will throw once again politics on its head as we know it. This is a state that thrives on persontoperson contact. He hadnt been in iowa for 11 days when he came to ottumwa. Hes Something Like 12th in the number of appearances that he has made in this state. And yet, you can see, this was a very lastminute add. And the place is packed. It goes all the way back to the doors. And they like their odds right now. They say theyve got a ground game, in spite of the fact, as you saw a big article in the New York Times yesterday, of really questioning the strength of the ground game here in iowa, and we know that ted cruz is as strong. And hallie, you are following cruzs campaign today. Chris made the point and weve said it over and over, iowa is ta tailormade for someone like ted cruz. It was tailormade for someone like ben carson, until we saw his big decline. One of the headlines is ted cruzs comments about new york and new york values. And i think chuck todd made an excellent point, that while people in this wonderful city of new york that i currently live in certainly took offense, including one of the tabloids, showing the statue of liberty flipping off ted cruz, if thats the proper way to describe it. In iowa, did cruz hit a note that i think maybe those folks would understand . Maybe the folks in my home state of texas would understand, but does it play well in new york . Reporter i think that the reaction youre seeing from new yorkers is the reaction that the Cruz Campaign expected to see from people who live in new york, frankly. You talked about that daily news cover. I had an opportunity to speak to a Campaign Aide about that, and the reaction was, simply, winning, basically. That this is what happens when youre on top, people come at you, people take aim. The fact that a new york newspaper is hitting ted cruz is of very little concern, of no concern to the campaign, because they are not playing to the new york media. Theyre playing to folks in iowa and in South Carolina. And while trump did have that moment last night, and you played it in that introe, where he talked about the World Trade Centers coming down and people rallying around new york city, i am curious to see what the sense is on the ground from voters and from folks who support both of these candidates in both South Carolina and iowa, because thats where this message is aimed over and over again. Weve heard ted cruz and his surrogates talk about how, hey, we like new york. New york doesnt have our values. Yeah. And katy, let me bring you in. I know the big point that trump has been driving home is whether or not ted cruz is electable. He even brought in the fact that if he chose ted cruz to be his Vice President , the nominee, that there would be some questions. With that said, i thought that ted cruz was well prepared bringing up questions regarding Donald Trumps own heritage and some of those who are strict about what they believe applies or qualifies to be president might bring up his background and that of his mother. Reporter certainly, but theres a lot of people out there who were kind of thrown for a loop by that. Nobody has ever debated whether or not youre a naturalborn citizen in a president ial debate, at least because your mother was born overseas. But all of the experts so far, even though its not actually been challenged in court, have sided with ted cruz, and thats not stopped donald trump. I guess the point many people are making reporter all of the experts have not sided with ted cruz. All of the experts have not. Lawrence tribe has not sided with ted cruz, and theres a number of other people who are questioning it now, and i think its partially because, especially people in the senate, its partially because ted cruz hasnt made a lot of friends with his colleagues. You saw john mccain come after him. So, there are still questions out there, and thats also surprising a lot of people as well let me stop you, because what you said, katy tur was that many of them, because theyre not friends of ted cruz you bring up john mccain and we know its not worked itself through the court system. My point is that under the world of donald trump, factchecking doesnt apply, so it doesnt hurt ted cruz in throwing out his own curveball with something he sees as illegitimate. And youre absolutely right, there are some experts who do not side with ted cruz, but there are those who do. Reporter absolutely. And i think that youre right to say that facts dont necessarily matter when it comes to donald trump. He does go out there and say a lot of untrue things. Politifact, in fact, said that he said the most falsehoods during the past year than anybody else. What he does go out there and do is try to paint a picture, and that picture isnt always backed up by facts. He says hes going win the latino vote. He says that hes leading in every single poll when he isnt actually doing that. But what he is trying to do, especially when it comes to ted cruz, is sew the seeds of doubt in voters minds. Hes trying to question him. Hes trying to have this Whisper Campaign against him, to say that if he does get the nomination, theres going to be a lot of questions about whether or not hes even going to be eligible to win the presidency. The democrats are going to bring a lawsuit. Its not me. So, this is his strategy. Whether its going to work, were going to have to wait and see. But donald trump is a master at manipulating the situation and turning the focus from his negatives to somebody elses. Remember, last night he was able to own the new york values comment, own it and say that i am proud of where new york has come from, im proud of what theyve done after 9 11 and how they rebuilt in a way that even ted cruz had to clap. Its interesting, because donald trump has been by far the most controversial and the most divisive candidate in this campaign so far, yet, he came off as the most statesmanlike person on that stage in that moment. And almost wiping from the minds the memory of all of his past divisive comments, all of his past outrageous statements, the fact that hes actually trying to ban an entire religion from coming into this country. So, what youre seeing from donald trump is just trying to play the media in some ways and also play voters, convince them that hes more mature when hes the one thats saying these outrageous things most of the time. I dont know if people would say that its wiped from the minds, many of the things he said regarding muslims. Maybe in a certain set or a certain room reporter but its not the headline any longer in the news today. Its not the headline today, but the larger question, chris, if he gets the nomination, will it be the headline when he faces off against the democratic rival, whether its Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders . As katy pointed out, it may have been wiped from the minds of a few people last night, but the larger picture is can he win the white house . Reporter well, i think absolutely, thats true. And you know, youre already seeing that hes taken heres the thing about donald trump that you cannot ignore. This guy has been on a mad learning curve. Remember, hes only been a politician for a matter of months, and look at how hes even changed his debate performances. Widespread belief that last night was his best debate performance. There was a time not so long ago when he was coming in and out of iowa. He could barely land his plane and he was gone. Now hes decided, since he came into town, he did morning joe this morning, well, why not swing by, do an interview or two and get a crowd here and get some coverage on the local media. Hes going to pay for that movie theater, to your point about the general election, to show that benghazi movie thats out there now. So you know, hes really been somebody who has always learned very quickly and tried to sort of stay that step ahead. If there is something that even his critics will talk about, its that learning curve and that eye thats always looking forward and not looking back. Absolutely. And hallie, let me bring you back in. When you look at some of the social media that our First Read Team has pointed out, rich lowry, for example, says from his conversations, the gop establishment on trump moving from fear and loathing to realization, i. E. , he would run better than cruz and slam hillary, what are you hearing within the campaign . Is there a difference with last night and the votes . Reporter right now, the strategy is what it has been for months now, which is go after the conservative base, try to coalesce conservatives around ted cruz, and then potentially, potentially win over that establishment segment of the party, but thats not it doesnt appear to be their priority at the moment. I think that youre right in that there seems to be a sense of acceptance that donald trump could certainly be the nominee, and looking ahead to what that means in the general election. But cruz is not giving up on that altogether, at least thats my sense. I would also note, as we talked about this birther issue, if donald trump owned that moment about new york values, a lot of folks believe that cruz owned the moment on the eligibility issue. I asked donald trump about that in the spin room. Hey, are you going to keep going after ted cruz on this . And the answer essentially was, yeah, theres questions out there, and he will continue to ask them. All right. Thank you very much, Chris Jansing, katy tur, Hallie Jackson, great pleasure. Bringing in our panel, msnbc analyst and former adviser to rand pauls campaign, elise jordan. And political analyst and former pennsylvania governor ed rendell. Thank you for joining us. Governor rendell, what is your take on that debate last night . Was there any gamechanging moment, or did pretty much we see this as a threeperson race going in and threeperson race going out with marco rubio now in that third slot . I think thats basically correct, tamron. I think donald trump did well. I think it was his best debate performance, and he drl own that new york values moment. I thought he was even a little emotional, and i thought it was in some ways a very touching answer. Ted cruz did very well at the front of the debate. Then he got in it with rubio, and i think that was less good for him. Rubio i thought was okay, but i thought the winner probably was donald trump. And remember, what donald trump those do is win iowa. He doesnt have to win iowa big, but if he wins iowa, hell win New Hampshire big and hell win South Carolina big. And hell have incredible momentum. Someone needs to beat him somewhere in the first four states. Elise, let me bring you in. You have, for example, Joe Scarborough saying this morning, if donald trump wins iowa, there is no stopping him. What is your belief there . Well, i think theres a lot of truth to that. Its going to be interesting to see if trump can actually take iowa, since his ground game there in the caucuses are a very different beast from voting in New Hampshire. So, well have to see how that plays out and if he can translate these crowds into actually going out and caucusing on a cold winter night. But i do think that if trump gets momentum, yes, it will be incredibly hard to stop him. At this point, were looking at and i thought it was interesting the way he answered. You know, back in september, ted cruzs electability was no big deal. Now here we are, the new year, it is a big deal, pointed out by ted cruz. Does that present a problem with donald trump . Katy turs been covering his campaign, and it seems that theres this weird acceptance of donald trump changing his stance, massaging, if you will, the facts of things. People would call that Something Else. And i think we know what they would call it. But nevertheless, does he have a problem there that hes already willing to evolve or morph into a different candidate as needed . Well, i think that trump handled that moment beautifully last night when he was asked, well, why are you bridgie in br this now . Well, teds doing a little bit better, of course. And his honesty, i really feel like won him some points there, because clearly, that is all this is about. He feels threatened by cruz suddenly. But whats amazing is trump is getting traction. He knows how to gin up a birther movement. And right now, just a new reuters poll, 27 of republican primary voters believe that ted cruzs birth in canada means that he is ineligible to be president. And i think thats going to be a huge problem for cruz. But elise, under that premise and we know that during the primary, candidates, both sides, play to their base under that guise, then, would you and the republicans be okay with donald trump if he is your nominee then changing some of these stances so that he could get independent voters, some of the very things that that packed crowd in iowa certainly dont believe this straight shooter is willing to change . Well, it does look somewhat like the Establishment Republicans are favoring trump over cruz and are somewhat you know, its just going through the stages of a grief, i guess, and maybe now theyre over the anger and starting to get to the acceptance, just because it looks like trump probably might be the inevitable nominee, and perhaps trump would stand a better chance against hillary, although polls dont necessarily show that. But there is just such a deep vitriol towards cruise and the establishment that they would even take donald trump, his extreme baggage and horrible misstatements over cruz. Which is interesting, governor rendell, because you have this debate coming up this weekend with Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, a whole separate set of issues for her, but in the headtohead matchup, trump does not fair well against Hillary Clinton here, but that seems to be an issue that doesnt matter at this point. I believe that some of the base and some of he says he will win new york, for example, which would be quite a feat for him, that he believes that he can bring some of these people into his fold. Well, you know, the trump phenomena is amazing. You talk about him switching his position on whether ted cruz is eligible to run for president. You know, he had a position a month ago that it was absolutely his lawyers told him it was absolutely clear that ted cruz was eligible to run for president , and he now flips it, just because ted cruz is getting closer. But more importantly, donald trump was prochoice, not the prolife candidate that stands before you. He was pro gun control, not the Second Amendment protector that stands before you. He was for planned parenthood, in and out the guy who wants to close down planned parenthood. Right. And he said great things about Hillary Clinton. And none of it seems to matter. Thats what confounds anybody whos lived in politics for their career. I just dont have a clue whats going on. That is a very honest answer, governor rendell, and i think if more people were honest, theyd probably say the same thing. Thank you very much for joining us. We greatly appreciate it. Thank you, elise, as well. A pleasure having you on. And breaking news from wall street. The dow plunged more than 400 points in the first hour of trading, now down 395 points. The plunge comes on the heels of a selloff in chinese stocks and oil below 30 a barrel. Well keep an eye on the developments from wall street and bring you any news you need to know there. And coming up, bill Clinton Campaigns on behalf of Hillary Clinton in iowa today, this as the former secretary of state accuses senator Bernie Sanders of being the first democratic candidate to go negative. Up next, ill talk live with clinton surrogate, former michigan governor Jennifer Granholm about clintons ground game moving forward and her plan for this debate. 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Com beprepared. Together, were building a better california. We continue now with Hillary Clinton hitting back at senator Bernie Sanders. Their fight heating up over Health Care Just two days before the next democratic debate. Now, on wednesday, senator sanders put up this old photo signed by clinton, thanking him for his work on health care. Now, her campaigns been blasting Sanders Health care plan. Even daughter Chelsea Clinton claiming this week sanders wants to dismantle obamacare and leave millions without insurance. On morning joe, secretary clinton took another shot at sanders. Basically, he wants to start all over again with a whole new plan and another big National Divisive debate, which i just dont agree with, especially with the republicans trying to repeal the gains weve made. Meantime, clintons husband, former president bill clinton, is hitting iowa with three events today. Just 17 days until the auctions. Joining me now, former michigan governor Jennifer Granholm, a supporter of Hillary Clintons campaign. Governor, thank you so much for your time. You bet, tamron. You bet. Lets talk about this backandforth. Senator sanders released an ad yesterday that appears to attack Hillary Clinton. On the Conference Call with her campaign yesterday, there was outrage from aides, saying that he violated his pledge to never run a negative attack ad. Some people see this as a petty backandforth and a clear sign that the campaign may be worried about iowa, and certainly, New Hampshire. Well, clearly, when you get closer to the finish line, contrasts are drawn, but he did say that he wasnt going to run any negative ads that he never had in his life, and there you go. The bottom line is, on health care, both of them agree that its important for the u. S. To move toward universal health care, and that picture that he put out from the 90s was when they were working together on that very thing, when she was testifying. Now that we have the Affordable Care act, and president obama has worked so hard to make Health Care Affordable and available to all citizens in this country, shes saying, lets not rip that all up, and hes saying, lets rip it all up. Shes the pragmatist. She knows what can happen in washington. The likelihood of ripping all of that up and getting a universal Health Care Plan through a Congress Like this that he wants is really slim to none. Looking at Bernie Sanders, and not just the picture that he sent out saying that, certainly, he would not leave millions without insurance there, this distinction that is being made between the Clinton Campaign and the Sanders Campaign is an obvious one here, but many are wondering how she got in this position in the first place, and is it the right fight, to go after Bernie Sanders, someone that the party certainly needs and certainly is an ally to the Obama Administration in many ways . Why attempt to paint him as someone who is against the Obama Administration . Well, i dont think shes saying that hes against the Obama Administration. I think they have a difference of opinion about how to proceed Going Forward on health care, which is really what a campaign is all about. You want to know where one stands and where the other stands. And on this particular issue, there is a difference. And i think thats important. He also said that he was going to put out the cost of his plan before the iowa caucuses, and that hasnt happened yet. Thats an important thing to evaluate on behalf of citizens. Clearly, both of them want citizens to be insured. People want to be covered. And i think democrats are united on that. But in her interview with Rachel Maddow, she said, i mean, basically, his new tv ad is a very direct criticism of president obama, who as you might recall took a lot of she went on to talk about what shes done, and then she talks about, also, the hardest regulations against wall street since the Great Depression and that Bernie Sanders also was against that. So, shes taking a stance on where the party is sort of against the financial industry on the key Affordable Health care act and saying Bernie Sanders has run against all of these strides made by the party and by the Obama Administration. Right. Well, so, he puts out an ad and criticizes her and democrats like president obama for taking contributions from wall street. But what her point is, is that that did not stop president obama from going to bat on behalf of everyday citizens by regulating wall street, and it wont stop her from doing it either. What hes done is sort of, you know, go against the president , essentially, in terms of wanting to rip up the Health Care Plan, as well as criticisms about accepting any contributions from wall street. Shes just pointing out that she sides with the president. I do want to ask you, last night, you tweeted out during the debate, i would love this question. If you were plotus, would you help flint, michigan, rebuild its poisonous water infrastructu infrastructure. I want to play what Hillary Clinton said to Rachel Maddow regarding the outrage of the inaction of the governor of the state. Lets listen in. Okay, weve had some technical the republican governor, Governor Snyder, is refusing to ask for the triggering of the federal help that he needs in order to take care of the people who are his constituents, and i am just outraged by this. I would pull out every stop. Now, overnight, Governor Snyder requested the emergency disaster declaration, but it is interesting this question did not come up during the debate last night, as you pointed out. Well, first of all, Governor Snyder, unfortunately, appointed people who caused the poisoning of an entire city through this infrastructure. If you are responsible for making that happen, you have to fix it, and that means you have to go, as Hillary Clinton says, and get into the face of the president and all of the appointees, saying i need help, because the state and the city dont have enough resources to be able to fix this problem. The president is coming to the auto show, the Detroit International auto show, on the 20th. Theres no plans to even meet with him. If i were the governor, i would be on a plane to washington, i would be meeting with all of these federal officials saying we cannot allow this to continue. We need help because its a Public Health crisis. We need help because we need to rebuild the infrastructure so that people are not poisoned. And by the way, these citizens should not be charged and billed by the Water Department for receiving poisoned water. All right, governor granholm, thank you so much for your time. We greatly appreciate it. We want to take our audience to iowa, where donald trump is campaigning in urbandale, his First Campaign event since last nights debate. Lets listen. Coupled it very, very poorly. But a couple did really nicely. And i really enjoyed it. You know, ive never done the debating stuff before. These politicians are all talk, no action. They talk and talk and talk and nothing ever happens. They say were going to fix the va. Look, theres a guy. Were going to fix the va, and they talk for years ive been hearing were going to fix the va. Nothing ever happens. Its a disaster. In fact, it came out two years ago, its worse than ever before, because thats a politician. Wait until you see what i do. Remember the rink in central park, they couldnt for years and years, they couldnt do it. I knocked it up in four months, and to this day, that must have been 30 years ago and nothing changes. And thats what i do. And we fix things. We make things better. We make things better. And our country has to be made better. I mean, our country, were losing on trade, were losing with the military. I mean, we cant beat isis. Can you imagine general Douglas Macarthur or general George Patton saying, oh, were having a hard time with isis . Theyd wipe that thing clean in two days. And i watched one of the generals on television. You know, we have all these generals, they go on television. My generals arent going to be on television, because you know what . The enemy learns from them. You say one little thing and they say, oh, he said that, now were prepared. I just imagine George Patton sitting down being interviewed by a reporter saying exactly what hes going to do. Well, yes, were going to attack them here. Remember obama a few weeks ago said were sending 50 men, 50 people. So, now the enemy is waiting for those 50 people. Theyre there. Theres a target on their back. Instead of keeping your mouth shut and just doing it properly, right . You dont know, its unbelievable. Or how about we shouldnt have been in iraq, it was a mistake. I was against it many years ago, and i was strongly against it, headlines trump was i dont even know why they quoted me, but trump because you were going to destabilize the middle east. So, they made a terrible mistake. Now what happens . You have to get out. Obama gives the date were leaving. Well be gone in what was it, 18 months, gives the exact date. The enemy says, wow, this is great. They pulled back. I couldnt believe it i thought it might be camouflage of some form. We pull back, right . And the enemy goes back, doesnt work too hard. They dont want to be killed, even though you hear they want to be killed. Believe me, they dont want to be killed. So, they pull back, we leave, and its a mess. Its a mess. So, youve got to keep your little ideas to yourself. And we will do something so special with the military. When cnn did a recent poll and it was a big one forget about the fact that im winning every poll. Were winning now every single poll and were winning in iowa. Were winning in iowa. And i really want to win iowa. You know, people say, oh, well, just say you want to do well in iowa. Just say you want to do well. That way in the end if you come in second or third or fourth, you can say i say, i want to win iowa. We have a great relationship with the evangelicals, like fantastic. And with the tea party. With everybody in iowa. And i really want to win it. I mean, to me, this is going to be fun. Im going to be here a lot. Im going to be here so much in the next two weeks, youre going to be sick of me. Youre going to say, oh, i cant stand him i dont want to see him anymore. Look at those beautiful hats. Make America Great again. Theyre make America Great again hats. Thats a real one. Thats one made in the usa. I know the difference. Those arent made in the usa. Theyre not mine. They have the right slogan. You know the problem . These hats have become so hot thats why i immediately love this guy. The hats have become so hot that the New York Times did a story its one of the hottest accessories for women. Do you believe it . They go to fancy balls wearing the hat. But it really has been a great thing. So, we are going to do things that are going to be so exciting and so good, but i want to win iowa. We have to get out you have to get out to the caucuses. And you know the theory because we always get the biggest crowds. No matter where we go, we get the biggest crowds. And the only thing that pundits can say is, well, maybe, maybe they wont show up. And the other day, you heard we had 15,000 people, and 7,000 people were sent we couldnt get them into the arena. And the pundits are saying, well, but maybe they wont show up to vote. And maybe they wont, but it seems crazy, because some of those people were waiting in line for seven hours in the cold. I dont even know how you do it. But seven hours in the cold. And they wait and wait and wait, and it just seems hard to believe that you wait seven hours in the cold, and then they like me more after the event and then dont show up to vote or caucus or whatever it is. But i think in the case of New Hampshire, the vote. And i think theyre going to show up. I think, actually, i have a feeling were leading in all the polls i have a feeling were going to actually do better than the polls are saying. There you have it, donald trump at a rally in urbandale, iowa. Let me bring in Political Editor, nbc senior Political Editor mark murray. Mark, you have there donald trump discussing a lot of what weve heard on the programs, including here, there is some skepticism that some of this passion, some of this support will not translate to actual votes. Trump has made this point for a few days, you have people willing to stand in the cold for hours to support him. Why wouldnt they show up at the caucuses or in New Hampshire to vote . Reporter yeah, and tamron, i was really struck in the comments that he made that hes all in on iowa. This isnt to get second or third place or get a really close second to ted cruz. He wants to be able to beat ted cruz. And of course, the iowa contest is a very different contest than we see nationwide. But in the national nbc wall street journal poll, donald trump is dominating and really kind of taking command, you know. Not only has he more than doubled his lead from 5 points in december to 13 points, but the number, the percentage of republicans who say they could support him is now at 65 in our poll. Thats up from 23 who said that back in march. And so, not only in the polls, in last nights debate, which was his best performance, and donald trump really almost has this race that he has taken control of it. Now, ive been through a lot of president ial contests to know that the person whos doing well 15, 16 days before iowa, three weeks before the New Hampshire primary, isnt always your winner. We have a long ways to go. But that is your reality right now, the day after last nights Republican Debate, as these candidates are making their final sprints to iowa and New Hampshire. And it is so interesting when you look at some of the reaction and reviews, mark, from last nights debate. Youve pointed out this was perhaps Donald Trumps best performance. In prior debates, he has taken on a different persona, kind laying in the back and waiting for someone to go after him. So, not to say that it was a low bar, but he has had a strategy in the other, what is it, six debates, not to be the aggres r aggressor. There was an anticipation that there would be a confrontation with ted cruz. So, lets look at, for example, this new york values backandforth, becoming emotional, talking about how this city suffered and rebuilt, high marks there in new york and certainly along the mainstream media. But in iowa, would you have voters there taking offense to what ted cruz said . Reporter and thats what makes the contest in iowa so fascinating. We see all the poll numbers and see a very neck in neck contest. The question is, who will turn out . Iowa weve seen time and time again is dominated by evangelical voters. More than 50 were evangelical in the 2012 caucuses that Rick Santorum ended up winning. The question is, do the same evangelical christians go for someone like donald trump . We know ted cruz is sitting well with them right now, but do they also go for donald trump, to be able to allow him to not only get second, but to be able to get first place . So you know, we will know 2 1 2 weeks from now the answer to that question. Everything right now is punditry that im giving, all speculation, but im actually excited as someone whos following these contests that were going to have an answer to that question very, very soon. I am, too. This is like when you really want to speed to the end of the book because the middle is just exhausting. I do want to follow up, too, on this whole issue of whether or not ted cruz is flustered by this question of whether or not he is eligible to be president , or as donald trump said last night, Vice President. You had ted cruz try to throw out something about trumps lineage. When i was looking at that, in review it seems as if he is throwing this out because he says, listen, if donald trump can throw out one thing in september and throw out Something Else a few months later, is that the strategy in a world where we are all being criticized for allowing donald trump, even when hes been factchecked, to then dispute the facts repeatedly . Reporter yeah, and tamron, you know, even donald trump admitted last night that the reason he was bringing up the birther issue has to do with the polls, that ted cruz is ahead in iowa, rising up in national surveys, as weve seen. But ive been struck as someone, you and i have been through the entire 20102011 birther controversy that donald trump kicked up about president obama, that president obama knocked down when he had his birth certificate. What ive been fascinated by, and still, there are many, many constitutional scholars who say that donald trump people have a case when it comes to this birther charge, but there are some prominent voices like harvards larry tryde who said wait, this isnt settled. And thats whats surprising, is that some of the sharpest legal minds in the country have said there could be some questions, putting ted cruz on the defensive more than weve seen thus far. Absolutely, and thats great point. You have six over here, a half dozen on the other hand saying, you know, what it eventually does in the middle is keep this issue there and make it a problem for ted cruz, meaning he cant talk about other things, other policy issues that he may want to bring in the forefront, and that would be the trump strategy. Reporter and thats been the situation for ted cruz now for about ten days as this has gone on. And you and i, when we talk about ted cruz, its the birther issue. Reporters are asking him on the campaign trail. Thats not how you want to be able to close a race. All that said, ted cruz is still sitting pretty in iowa, particularly with the evangelical christians in iowa. He is your iowa frontrunner. You win iowa, you control your own destiny. And so, even though hes on the defensive, thats what happens to frontrunners, tamron. Absolutely. That youre ahead in the polls in iowa, nationwide. Youre getting a lot of scrutiny, the attacks that are coming to ted cruz. Well see how hes able to take those attacks the next 2 1 2 weeks. Absolutely, mark. Thank you very much. And its remarkable how youre staying dry, even though there is like a flood behind you. Reporter i have a great crew, tamron. Excellent, mark. Thank you. Reporter thank you. Coming up, as we reported, donald trump is back on the trail in iowa. We just showed you the rally there live after clashing with ted cruz over the birther issue. Up next, ill talk live with one of his opponents for the gop nomination, Mike Huckabee. Well see what governor huckabee has to say. To folks out there whose diabetic nerve pain. Shoots and burns its way into your day, i hear you. To everyone with this pain that makes ordinary tasks extraordinarily painful, i hear you. Make sure your doctor hears you too i hear you because i was there when my dad suffered with diabetic nerve pain. 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Our first and foremost responsibility in this country and the first responsibility of the president of the United States is protect america and protect americans. We have a president who seems to be more interested in protecting the reputation and image of islam than he is protecting us. Joining me now, president ial candidate and former arkansas governor Mike Huckabee. Governor, thank you so much for joining us. Thank you, tamron. Great to be with you. Lets talk about whats happening in iowa. We know 2008, you took that state. Now, it is at this point a different showing there. How do you believe you will fare in iowa which gave you momentum the last time around . Well, we still think theres a pathway for us. We are doing 150 events in iowa in january. Iowa has always been won by the person who spent the most time on the ground, the person who had the most visits and met the most voters and personally asked for their support. Iowa voters break late. They did eight years ago, they did four years ago. We believe that 2016 will not be that different when it comes to voting time. But if they break late and somehow you finish in the top three, with all due respect, that would be extraordinary with what we see in the polling now. Right now, donald trump is at a rally, a packed room yet again, thousands there. He is saying that for the next two weeks, he basically wont leave iowa. Looking realistically at the prospects ahead, do you believe donald trump will take that state . I dont know. Nobodys voted yet. Not one Single Person in all of america has cast a vote. Polls dont really often depict. Matt bevin won kentuckys governors race with a nine point lead. A week away everybody said he would be defeated by eight or ten points. So the polls throughout this year have really been pretty sketchy but i do think this, that the voters of iowa will make up their mind and i think when they get down to it they will say look, maybe we need to go with the guy we know, a guy that has had the experience as a governor, who has had successful record, who fought the clinton machine in his own state and successfully won repeatedly and somebody who can represent the working class people of this country, who grew up that way and who can talk about those issues like i did last night, that i think resonate with folks who stood on their feet their whole life working at a factory. While donald trump did not grow up that way, as you pointed out your own personal biography, there seems to be something about his message through the National Poll as he just said, hes leading in just about every poll. If he is your partys nominee and there are reports that some of the establishment wing of your party basically resigned to the fact that we are looking at the gop nominee and they are going to get behind him. If donald trump is the gop nominee, will you support him . Of course. In fact, im going to be pretty unhappy if some of the establishment people who force donald trump to sign a loyalty oath to the party and guarantee that he wouldnt run as a third party, if he has to pledge his loyalty to the party, shouldnt the party pledge its loyalty to him . I mean, thats only fair. They should do the same with me or whoever is the nominee. You know, i still feel like im in contention for the process. But if Donald Trumps the nominee of course we will get behind him. I believe he would make so much more of an effective president than Hillary Clinton would. And i know both of them and i will take donald trump every day of the week and twice on sunday. With that said, evangelicals speaking of sunday, very important in iowa. We know they are critical. What disitinguishes you from donald trump in iowa with va evangelicals . Here you are a minister, you are siding with this new york values as ted cruz referred to him last night type of guy. I thought donald trump handled that whole issue of new york values very, very effectively. Evangelicals also care about their jobs. They care about the future of this country. They care about National Security. They are not a monolithic vote. I wish they had been in 2008. I would have won the nomination. The reason i ended up second to mccain in the entire process rather than first was because the evangelicals werent monolithic. They never have been. I think a lot of people assume they are. Theyre not. Got to ask you about this debate moment. You said that more Mass Shootings have happened in gunfree zones. There are a number of nonpartisan independent agencies that have refuted that, including trace. Org. They say there is no evidence that gunfree zones are targeted more than other places. Furthermore, they went on to say a good guy with a gun has never stopped a mass shooting. What proof do you point to, what numbers do you point to that gunfree zones are more targeted for Mass Shootings . Well, thats disingenuous for them to say that. Because i didnt say they were targeted because. I said they happened in gunfree zones. Thats a fact. You cant name one that happened in a gunfree or in a zone other than a gunfree zone with perhaps the exception of the Gabby Giffords shooting in arizona. Every other mass shooting has been in a gunfree zone. Thats just an outright fact. Whether that was the motive of the shooter, you would have to ask the shooter and most of them are dead so we are never going to be able to really know that. Governor, thank you so much for joining us. 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