Maybe in the grand scream of thi scheme of things, but was it an ethical lapse, absolutely not. This impeachment inquiry will resume with testimony from mark kent. He will be followed by three former officials testifying later this week. Fiona hill testified for ten hours. About rudy ghoulian aiuliani an. John bolton was furious when he found out thwhat he was up to. From the hearing they testified that they told her to notify the top attorney about the rogue effort comparing the entire thing to a drug deal. I have to bring in kirstin welker. How is Rudy Giuliani responding to this. He is firing back amid these reports that john bolton and fiona hill about kiesing i always liked and disrespected john. Im disappointed that he was driven to attack a friend. He is calling other people a hand grenade as he is described as an atomic bomb. A very forceful response there from rudy juliani who says he was not involved in any corruption. Big picture here, steph, the white house has tried to block a number of folks from testifies and key parts from fiona hills testimony and that resulted in the bottle m line into it under jr. Stores the fact that the strategy might not hold up. Congress is officially back in town today, lots of temperature ahead, where do we go from here . It is looking like a jailbreak. Starting with george kent who is a state department official. He was a deputy in the country for a time, and he is also an anticorruption expert. And form a former top aid to mike pompeo. And on thursday, this is probably the key piece of testimony that democrats are hoping to get this week, Gordon Sondland who is the connection point between the president , giuliani, official staff and the unofficial off the books effort and on frind we will hear from the First Defense department official. Someone who can lay out the chain here and talk about the military aid scheduled to come into ukraine that was held up by this white house and answering the question has to why that was. When we gather again at this time tomorrow, i hope to tell you more about thousand will progress beyond this week. Democrats will meet to discuss the next steps in the impeachment inquiry. Konks has been out and the first return is today. Roberto, john bolton is someone you spoke to quite a bit in the past. How important is it for him to understand all of this and have you spoke ton him in the last 24 hours . She someone that came into this administration as a long time conservative. A washington lawyer, he did not come into this administration to help President Trump aprilly and when he talked to me a month ago. It is pretty cryptic, but my only concern is u. S. National security and now you a lot of people in the administration reflecting that point of view and giving new details. Give public highway history lesson. What is going on that were now hearing shadow Foreign Policy. When you take a step back, and you see that this is shadow Foreign Policy, does it not remind you of the Mueller Report . People often criticize washington of being the swamp, there are Many Foreign Service officers that dont swear an oath to a party but to the constitution. And they want to work in a nonpartisan way to forward goals. When they see someone like Rudy Giuliani that is a Foreign Service office they become alarmed. So because of the way they operate, the way they see their careers, they are willing to testify about what they see as egregious behavior. I want to bring in matt miller, matt, lets turn to democrats, what is your assessment on the way theyre building their case . I think theyre doing extremely well. I think a lot of people thought it would proceed on other fronts. They would not have a way to get witnesses and get documents. I think for a environment of reasons that were able to convince witnesses to come forward and witnesses that the white house wants to block and give testimony and in some cases turn over documents. And i think theyre doing it right now to keep these depositions behind closed doors, so they dont have a chance to coordinate with each other and i think Going Forward at some point, impeachment is not like a trial, it is a legal and political matter, and will they decide to hold some public hearings, and will they reveal to the public what theyre investigation has been so far, but i dont think were at that point yet. Gordon sondland will testify on thursday. And we learned that he will be talking about meeting with kurt volker and rick perry. We expect to hear that any in person meeting is going to have to go there Rudy Giuliani. Thats him taking direction from the president. I think that is a really key point here, stefanie. I have been skeptical about the impeach me impeachment drive. I think the case is unfolding now, particularly with john boltons allegations and fiona hills allegations. What seems to be increasingly clear is that President Trump ordered what amounted to a rogge Foreign Policy operation. They have members outside of government to perform sensitive information, but that was in the service of the national interest. What is so clear here is that this was purely a misservice of trumps service and that trump is now engaged in lied and a cover up about it. That is why his testimony is so important. This is not a guy coming from outside of the administration. He never believed in the trump method or the trump model to begin with. He believe theres is a process and that process should not be about the president s purely partisan political interests. Take us inside the white house, they are successful at putting their seatbelts on saying lets ride out the news cycle. Can the white house continue to dismiss this whole thing calling it a cam. What is it like inside . Theyre trying to stime the house impeachment investigation. You saw the White House Council write a long letter to congress saying he will deny them documents and witnesses. The choj their facing is although they have security, when other officials are stepping forward from ambassador sondland to fiona hill, to ambassador yavanovitch. We see they are all speaking out. They are reporting that prosecutors are looking into Rudy Giulianis finances, reuters says he got 500,000 for consulting for a Company Founded by the two ukrainians arrested last week. It is hard to know all of the things that rudy could be investigated for. We know the two ukrainian americans that were indicted. They received money and then they use itd to try to advance their interest, gather or peddle influence in the United States. If he knew that, if he was trying to influence the Foreign Government he would have legal liability for that. It is okay to work for foreign interests or lobby for them if you disclose it. If he was helping them pedal influence in the United States. Maybe to have the former ambassador to the ukraine removed i think he would have legal liability for that question. More information is what people are looking for. Republicans are complaining about the process saying these interviews are happening behind closed doors. They would have a point if the white house werent stonewalling the inquiry and refusing to let their employees testify. So i dont really blame democrats for playing hardball tactics because that is what theyre getting from the white house. Thank you, gentleman, this story continues to get more excites and no it is not going away. We have to go on and talk about the former Texas Police Officer accused of shooting and killing a woman in her home. Aaron dean, accused of shooting tatiyana jefferson. Jefferson was shot in her own home while she was babysitting her nephew. A neighbor called the nonemergency line after they noticed her front door open for a long time. She is expressing her shock and despair. Frustration, shock, how could that snap it is scary, it is extremely scary to know that she didnt do anything, she wasnt being violent, she wasnt being against the rules, she was alw a abiding citizen just in her house. President trump finding a way to stop turkey from going into syria. Now he is placing economic sanctions and turkey and sending the Vice President to the region. And senator rand paul will be joining us live to get his take on what he believes about the new sanctions. Hmm. Exactly. Liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. Nice. But, uh. Whats up with your. Partner . Not again. Limu thats your reflection. Only pay for what you need. Liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty old spice antipersprant spray and old spice antipersprant stick, each has different approchaes to armpits. 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We watched all day as this up to has been pounded by turkish artillery. We are watching the tank fire, a and spuratically we can hear the cracks. This is the answer to vice President Trump and Vice President pence, it is less than 24 hours since they told turkey to cease fire. Turkey is not ceasing fire here, at least, the u. N. Secretary general says this is not supported by nato, it is not a nato operation, but turkey is a nato member. This is the second largest nato army firing on a syrian town after the biggest nato army, america, pulled out. It is a pretty dressing sight. Francely no matter what President Trump tweets, the sound of the artillery is far more powerful, you have to be honest. Russia says they are policing the line between turkey and the syrian forces, what can you tell us about that . Yeah, that is pretty stunning as well. So many things in the past week have been so incredible, really, russia now saying in a statement that in a town it is policing that town, that arab republic army, and that the russians and that theyre policing the line and that is impactful because they were in the control of Turkish Forces at one point we end, and this tells us that president putin is playing a very, very Important Role, frankly a far more Important Role than President Trump or Vice President pence is playing. And if there is a chance that this will not dissend into a battle between demass discuss then i think a lot of that will depend now on president putin. And i think you have seen the sign, the indication, that maybe president putin will be able to adjudica adjudicate, if you like. Thank you so much. All right, moving on the controversy between the nba and china is not going away, now nba super star lebron james is getting criticized for saying he was misinformed for tweeting his support. 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It has not caused turkey to back down in any way. We have to decide when we should go to war and when we should involve our young men and women. Congress is supposed to declare war. The problem is this situation is so messy who do you want to declare war on . Theyre aligned with the free siian army in a we supported for seven years. On the other side we have asad, rub shans, and the iran and i think the irony about all of this, but the irony bha that it may be their best chance for having a semiautonomous area that is kurdish, but it will not happy unless the turks feel comfortable with syria not allowing incushions. It sounds like ewe saying why dont we let this playout, but lindsey gram said making a mistake like that is what we saw happen in the last administration and you could let Something Like isis reserve. We know we have already seen in the last 48 hours an isis flag being raised again, and for americans saying they are not going to Pay Attention to what is happening 9,000 miles away, they do remember 9 11. Lindsey graham was wrong about the iraq war. It made iran stronger, he was wrong about the war in libya, it lead to more chaos and more terrorism. He is wrong about this. He has been wrong since p beginning because many liberals, they all supported the sunni extremists against assad. Im not so sure that the extremist would have been better than assad. Sometimes maybe you have two sevens and you dont have to pick sized. That is what were supposed to vote on and have a debate about when go to war. The only way you determine if we have someone should we send our kids to war, but 40 soldiers over there were a detern to nothing, and i think it was a good idea to get those 50 soldiers out of the way. I think we always have to be concerned, but we dont have to occupy acreage all over the world. But if thor this i have that we have to be everywhere to stop terrorism, then we should be in many more places. We have troops in 50 of 55 nations and we occupy little swaths. Maybe we excite terrorism by the people being unhappy that were there. Lets talk capitol hill. Fiona hill spoke about rude eruy giuliani and his attempt to create shadow policy, does that bother you . I dont have any insight. I would say when you look at the ukraine situation and the accusations of the president , being involved with who woulding aide, i think everybody is trying to tell ukraine what to do. We had three senators that said if they didnt investigate trump they would who wouvote to withh their aid. I think we have no money to send to them anyway. It involves us in other peoples wars and i think it leads to really messy situations. Are you interested in understanding further what it is that rudy jougiuliani is doing . Are you not curious . That is almost as much as hunter biden made. If we want to investigate Rudy Giulianis financial dealings, do it, but if you want to be fair, you should investigate hunter biden as well. So should we look deeper how Jared Kushners family got money, how ivanka trump got trademarks from china. If we want to go down the road of self construction. Both sides are doing that, no one should excuse themselves and say were holier than thou and trump is evil. If we want to go down that route and criminalize politics, then we should, but shouldnt we do it fairly. Shouldnt we address it in a fair, objective, and equal way. Then take the president out of this. Is it appropriate for any sitting president to ask a Foreign Government to do work investigating a political opponent . Even if it wasnt president sflump. It is appropriate for hundred dollarer bide ton make 600,000 a year that doesnt answer my question. Take the president out of the equation. Its the same question. Is any sitting president , its exactly the same question though. If we say were going to investigate julianny, the president , and more, if you want to be objective and fair you to do the same for hunter biden. There has been no investigation. He is not an elected official, sir. Most americans think making 50,000 a month for a young man with no experience in International Relations is really unusual. His dad went to ukraine 13 times and he is making 50,000 a month. That is a lot of money. Most americans would also say it is strange that bill barrs soninlaw works at the white house. Rudy giulianis soninlaw works at the white house. The president s family is not paid. I think giulianis son probably makes less than 100,000 a year. I dont think anyone is getting rich getting paid by government. That is all on the up and up. And i think americans are going to make a judgment on that even if the media excuses it and doesnt investigate it, but if you want to go after trump you have to equally look at the bidens and the testimonies that have been looking at the aid saying how is this different and is it the same. Do you take issue with all of the Foreign Governments, turkey more than anyone else, paying to the trump hotels, and that ma h march maralago if you have a public facility and that is your business, what if i owned the paul hotel down the street and i charge the normal rates, you would have to tell anyone that owns a restaurant or retail store they cant do business. If theyre charging someone ten times the rate or theyre not sleeping in the hotel, there is something wrong. That is something wrong. If any of those are booked and no one is sleeping in them. Yeah, that would be a problem if they were booking the rooms, paying large amounts of money, and no one is sleeping in there that could be a problem. Politico says that that is happening. Now your book says people looking at income equality you say part of the problem is examining unequal incomes is that we fail to acknowledge what you can buy. If if the dollar amount in your paycheck is not enough money to feed, family, get medicine, or put your kid through school. If you look at the poorist in our society, they do as well as the middle class in most societies. Our economic pie has doubled eight times in the last 200 years, our economic pie is growing and growing and growing. The interesting thing about income inequality, they have almost no income inequality there. You find that the measure income inequality the more economic growth. People are misguided, it should not be that your friend makes ten times more than you, it should be more about how much you make. We could equalize everything this, or would you rather live in a society where the poor make 60,000 and the rich make 10 million. I think if you look at the poorest among us, were doing a better job at it under capital iism than socialism around the world. The answer doesnt have to be capitalism or socialism. If youre looking at the latest, the issue is that capitalism is not working for enough people. When you see the average worker only increasing their pay 12 in the last 13 years and ceo pay going up 5 thought . I am hard pressed to find many people who say it is socialism all of the way. Bernie sanders is running as a socialist. Aoc is a socialist. If you read their website theyre for government ownership of the industry. So you have to ask if theyre going to own the industry, what do they come with . How do they get the ownership of the factories into government hands and has it ever worked. What has happened in the past is we find genocide and famen. We should look at the ramifications of when we have tried socialism. Do you consider medicare or medicaid forms of socialism . When bernie says he wants to be like denmark, but scandinavia is freer than many, they have private property but they have high taxes. You can all of the stuff they have in scandinavia by taxing just the top 1 . In skacandinavia that tax the t and the middle. The middle class has a 60 income tax starting at 60,000. It is the opposite of what american socialists are saying. We keep asking are you going to raise taxes in the middle class and she is wafling on the middle class, if you want all of this socalled free stuff, you have it, and the middle class has to pay free taxes. Elizabeth warn says she sports free markets. She took a closer look at banks and put together a cfpb. The focal rule or dodd frank, neither wanted to ban anything, they just wanted to put guard rails on to protect individuals. I think Elizabeth Warren se smarter and more coy about her belief in large government, but her policies in bernies party are not too much different. What policy do you mean specifically from Elizabeth Warren. One of the biggest is medicare for all if is estimated to cost 60 trillion. How will we pay for that . So she has to answer the question which is how do you pay for a 60,000 program without taxes the middle class, everybody pays these taxes and we have to figure out how will we pay for the passive 60 billion program she proposed for us. The last i looked at the photograph deficit, it is at the highest level it has been in st 12 years. Revenue has gone up, since the tax cut, revenues have gone up, we have lower rates and more tax cuts that that have come in. We kept spending on the military and social welfare. If you look at the tax cuts, revenues have gone up. All right, senator, thank you for joining me today. 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Talk to your doctor about chantix. Hours from now Democratic Candidates will be taking the stage, bernie will be makes his first appearance since his heart attack. And it will be the first time they take the stage since theyre potential rival has begun. Doug, pick picture, who has to have a good night tonight . Well, look, i think the three top contenders, biden, warn, and sanders all have unique challenges they have to face. Warren is going to have to be, i think, going to have to be a little more specific in how she will pay for some of her ideas and then you Bernie Sanders who has to reassure democratic voters that he is ready to go, those are the tlie challenges at the top. For the folks at the other level they have to show why they belong in the conversation and how do they stay in the conversation. Look for major pete to mix it up a little bit. He made some critiques on beto and elizabeth. You said you have been slow to warm to the idea of impeachment. Is the right answer for tonight to focus on impeachment or policy . The president likes to say no one is talking Kitchen Table issues. Look, whoever is the nominee will face trump as the candidate because even if impeachment succeeds, conviction is like likely to happen. They have to make the case why their policies will be better deals for ordinary americans. Those in cincinnati ohio, those states, why they are going to serve them better than the president s. People will say im the push who is best positioned to end the trumptastrophe. For joe biden can make the point that there is a reason that the president is so desperate to come after me and my family because he knows im his most formidable opponent. Knowing that, is that why ore democrats should or would go after joe biden so hard . I would be surprised if they went after joe biden continue. The candidate thats have gone after him have not staired very well, i think that is not the right move. I think they need to show the connective frk with how the president has handled other parts of his job, and that leads to a president only out for himself. That also applies to his domestic agenda. And i think that is how they have to be approaching this debate, not necessarily going after biden on the same attacks that trump is. That would be a real big mistake. Should they be focused on Foreign Policy . It is not something you hear voters talk about on the campaign trail. Given the situation should that be a focus for them tonight. I think at last were beginning to see the trumps isolationism, the machinery of government, the advice of this generals is actually leading to a genuine catastrophe. Not only a humanitarian catastrophe for the kurds but a general catastrophe for the United States. The fact that 700 isis fighters have now simply vanished. Some thing just going to europe. Yeah, thats what we heard the last time around. So, i think theres a real point that can be made, not only are we losing the soul of america in terms of the integrity of our institutions, but were also losing americas place in the world as the leader of what used to be called the free world. I think thats all of a piece of what ought to be the main democratic line against trump. That this guy is literally corroding the foundations of what made America Great. Hes the opposite of make America Great again. The trump. Thank you both. For democrats, well be tuning in. Next, you need to stay here because theres a new report shedding light on a surprising relationship between Jeffrey Epstein and bill gates. You do not want to miss this. Jeffrey epstein may be dead, but this story isnt. A shocking new report from the New York Times sheds light on the connection between microsoft founder bill gates and the late Jeffrey Epstein. After gates name came up in connection with epstein and a media lab, gates gave a statement to the wall street journal where he insisted he did not have any business relationship or friendship with epstein. But a new report outlines conversations with gates and ep sewn and between Melinda Gates foundation and Jpmorgan Chase to set up a Charitable Fund to benefit epstein. You know what i want to know why . Joining me from the mismis, james b. Stewart who is also the author of a new book i highly recommend deep state, trump, the fbi and rule of law. Lets start with this. Gates said no relationship, nada, nothing. You report these two met six times. What does gates say about that . I believe there were more. He and his group would not admit to the times. Visits to seattle, flying in epsteins plane when we all know bill gates has his own 40 million plane. And then as an investigative reporter, why would gates said hes what no relationship when he knows what the facts are. He also has one of the largest most established foundations on his own. Why would they ever set up a Charitable Trust benefitting Jeffrey Epstein . Whats the explanation . Not only does he has the Worlds LargestCharitable Foundation but one of the missions is to help young women in underprivileged countries. Jeffrey epstein was preying on young women from south from afr. There were those horrified with what Jeffrey Epstein had done and saying we dont want anything to do with this and yet the profit went on. And what does the bill Gates Foundation say about this. It was just phil laanthropph. You said some smelled foul. Hes a registered sex offender. I open the door there was a beautiful young woman standing there who i didnt think was 16. But she could have been 19. I thought, a sex offender has a beautiful woman opening the door. I didnt even have to go through the door where i realized theres Something Weird going on here. Your book is about weird connections, dark circles, deep corners. The deep state. You lay out the organization and how now bannon, mcgahn and sessions protected the president from his own impulses. Now that these guys have their own issues, whats going on inside the white house . I think you see whats going on. You see all of the behavior were witnessing here both in syria and ukraine is aptly on display in deep state. You can say what you want about bannon and sessions and corey lewandowski, they had sense not to break the law when the president told him do. And what happens . They get thrown out, they get humiliated. Whats the connection between the Russian Investigation and ukraine . Well, theyre both results of ridiculously impulsive behavior on trumps part. And behavior that shows absolutely no awareness of what the rule of law means or how it imposes constraints on the white house. He does what he wants. He has one goal in mind. Is he going to win or lose. He has a biynery world. Until after he fired commy after everyone said dont it, he comes in and says i know everyone told me not to do it, but im doing. Classic trump. After told not to do it, he does it. He does it. Congratulations quite a book. This epstein stuff, again, its just the tip of the iceberg. This wraps up a very busy hour. Im stephanie ruhle. Ill see you at 1 00 p. M. More news with hallie jackson. Busy day, get ready. No joke, steph. Were in it. Featuring a key deposition and breaking news on capitol hill. A career diplomat now arriving to sound the alarm bills on what exactly was Rudy Giuliani doing in ukraine to try to dig up dirt on the bidens and a Smear Campaign as hes expected to call it against his colleague. Heres george kent just moments ago . Mr. Kent, did anyone try to block you from speaking . Hes not answering our questions but he probably has plenty to say to lawmakers. You got the lawmakers today, democrats, at least, demanding documents from giuliani. From Vice President pence and from othered administration officials. Then theres the drama the new reporting on the russian analyst fiona hill told lawmakers in yesterdays marathon session revealing, get