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Competing bills to reopen the government. Theres one catch. Both of those bills are widely expected to catch as the situation gets more serious for those 800,000 federal workers set to go the without their second paycheck on friday. My landlord has made it very clear i have a week to pay or im going to be evicted. I live paycheck to paycheck like many other americans do. Right now its dire need. Weve got a lot to get through with our team to break it all down. I want to start with where things stand this morning. We are about 24 hours from that senate floor showdown. Two dueling bills brought forward, one by republicans that would reopen the government in exchange for 5. 7 billion in border wall money and temporary protection for some immigrants. Separately, the senate will also vote on a democratic shortterm bill that does not include wall money. It would reopen the government till february 8th. Both bills need the support of 60 senators to advance to a final vote. That is probably not going to happen. That is definitely not the news that 800,000 furloughed federal workers want to hear. Theyre about to miss a second paycheck on friday meaning four weeks without pay. More than a Million People working on government contracts can arent getting paid either and think are probably not going to get back pay. Then this, the report from the Fbi Agents Association saying the shutdown is making this country less safe. Why . Because its preventing agents from getting records rds on child Sexual Assault cases from doing undercover buys paying Confidential Sources in gang cases and working on counterterrorism efforts. Thats not all. This lack of funding to the fbi is hurting operations, it is hurting personnel across the board. And it is going to hurt our recruitment and it is going to hurt our retention. Fbi agents that are currently on board have opportunities to go into the private sector and double or triple their current salaries. You tell me what you would do if your family needed security, financially, and youre not getting it. Coast guards also hurting. The only branch of the military affected by the shutdown because the dod is funded. The head of the coast guard says its unacceptable his members are being forced to work without pay. Were five plus weeks into this government lapse and pay. You as members of the armed forces should not be expected to shoulder this men. I find it unacceptable coast guard men and women have to rely on food pantry and conations to get through life as service members. The tsa is asking some agents to move from their home airports to other airports as employees call out because of the shutdown. This thing is on real, day 33. I want to go live to capitol hill where Kelli Odonnell is this week. Kelly, forgive the lehmans question. If both competing bills in the senate are expected to fail, what is the point . Well, if politics were political science, consider this some of the experimental face. Taking these votes is a way to test the political waters, to see what can and cannot pass. And by doing that, you get lawmaker who are able to narrow the scope of it. So while it seems futile and frustrating and on the surface is, it does have a point of wanting to test where oare members sitting right now. Can they support what the president offered . If not, it means they have to come up with Something Else on the gop side. On the democratic side, it is a different argument. Theyre trying to push the white house to reopen the government first. To give you a sense of that, here are Majority Leader Mitch Mcconnell explaining what he thinks is happening and minority leader Democrat Chuck schumer. Gives you a taste where we are. All that needs to happen is for our democratic friends to agree that its time to put the country ahead of politics, take yes for an answer and vote to put the standoff behind us. What we have here is just another onesided partisan proposal from the president. If anything, its even more radical. So the thing to be watching on the senate side is there any peeling away. Is there any republican who would vote simply to open the government and keep talking, any red state democrat who would join with republicans. Thats whats we would be watching here. Today, on the house side, which is democratcontrolled and theyre able to pass their bills youll see them add money for Border Security but again, house passed bills in a Republicanled Senate have very little chance of being taken up. Thats the action of the house today and the senate is trying to kick start something and as you know, were in more than 30 days into this and this is the first time were seeing the senate take action. Its a way to bring the goal posts in and try to show us where our Senate Members and then take us to the next level of what can they deal on next. Halle . Kelly odonnell over on capitol hill. Thank you much. A. B. Stoddard from real clear politics, Doug Thornell former dnc senior adviser, npr congressional reporter kelsey snell. I do want to begin with the Fbi Agents Association warning. That is a big deal. Its a huge deal. Theyre talking about the safety of the nation. This is a very big and important deal. Theyre talking about the fact that people are getting less safe. Were hearing that from the tsa agents who are wondering what happens to hiring, to keeping people on these jobs fundamental again to safety. That is a really biggest calationing. A. B. , thats a president ial priority. Donald trump talks about wanting to make america safe again, a line weve heard from him again and again and yet you have the shutdown that seems to be according to the Fbi Agents Association having the opposite effect. The state department had to cancel a Border Security conference. The irony is lost on the president because according to the reporting out of the wall street journal this morning, he thinks hes winning this standoff and is going to wait out the democrats. This is affecting trump voters in trump communities where the spillover effect from the salaries of federal workers that are no longer spent at the barber shop, the grocery store, the car mechanic are affecting the entire community and cutting into gdp. Those numbers will become more and more an apparent. Larry kudlow told me its going to be a quick snapback. How do you know that . Weve never seen this before, this kind of long shutdown. The argument made by the coast guard and fbi, its amazing that the republicans can still defend especially the Senate Republicans up for reelection next year the concept of keeping all of these agencies shut down where the offer from democrats was lets fight over the department of Homeland Security but then have every other agency get up and running. Its hard to defend not doing that. Something that enough, doug to, move the needle with these warnings now from people tacked with keying our country safe and safety and security . Do you think that helps push this thing in one direction or the other . It helps at the congressional level. One of the reasons in the senate theyre taking this vote is because Senate Republicans are feeling pressure and need to take a vote so they can tell their folks back home that theyre doing something. Im not sure if the president has any empathy. He sees these reports about people having to wait in line to get food and make a decision on copayments or sending or prescription drugs. And im not sure if he really cares about that. Is it that he doesnt i dont know, right, but could it be that he sees that and understands that and talks about that but he thinks Border Security is more important . Im not sure if he does talk about it. He tweets about it. On saturday his focus, his primary focus is fulfilling a Campaign Promise which is to build this wall which he also added was supposed to be paid for by mexico. Its not. Thats his primary focus. Its not these folks suffering and having a really hard time. That is the focus for most members of congress and many senators. Theyre hearing from constituents about it. Theyre hearing from them every day. I was talking to house members that came back last night and they said this is the only thing they heard about when they were at home was about the shutdown and needing to do something. Nancy pelosi was at a food bank. We aired some of it line when he was visiting with people in washington standing in line to try to get food. Right after that she went to the hill and made comments where she stands on this. I would be curious your take. Open the government. Open the government. Lets talk. We cannot have the president every time he has an objection to say ill shut down government until you come to my way of thinking. Understand, that is part of the point of this. If we holding it employees hostage. Nancy pelosi is making the point if we open up the government now, well give into the president forever. Lid say graham is making the same argument to President Trump on republican side. The term hostage is starting to get powerful in the capital. People are starting to feel these federal workers are being held hostage by an argument that even if they agree it continue fighting about Border Security and immigration, immigration is not something where democrats agree within themselves, republicans agree within themselves. To make opening the government contingent on a massive bipartisan agreement on immigration, that boys really, really hard. The president insists there is unity inside the Republican Party. So far there is. Ive been surprised beyond cory gardner, a senator from a state that Hillary Clinton won in 2016, susan collins, a senator from maine, a state Hillary Clinton won in 2016, and Lisa Murkowski of alaska who goes her own way and just won reelection, there have not been more republican senators joining them and saying we have to reopen government before we face this behemoth and try to find compromise on immigration. Im stunned the people in north carolina, iowa, georgia and texas who will face incredible Democratic Energy in a president ial election cycle next year are not more worried what their constituents are saying. You three are sticking around. I want to get to other breaking news happening now. Lawyers for Julian Assange are moving to try and compel the Trump Administration to unseal charges it secretly filed against the wikileaks founder. Ken dilanian covers intelligence for nbc news. What are we learning about . Put it into some context. A filing by the lawyers for an sack to the Interamerican Commission on rights. The news of this filing is wikileaks is saying federal prosecutors have been pressing witnesses both in the United States and in iceland and in germany to testify against Julian Assange in exchange for immunity. Wikileaks says those have been people involved in various disclosures by wikileaks about the iraq and afghanistan war, about the cia and other things portraying this as an attack by the United States on wikileaks as a journalistic organization. They make no mention of wikileaks role in leaking those hacked democratic emails stolen by the russians. Of course, thats the sub text here. We dont know what the sealed charges are against Julian Assange but do know the United States has declared assange and wikileaks, essentially a hostile Intelligence Organization and we know mueller is examining their role in working with the russians and leaking the emails to interfere in the election. The bottom line is back in november, we and others reported on a court filing that pretty much showed that there are sealed charges in virginia against Julian Assange. The question is, when does the government unseal them, what are the charges, how do they move forward with the case. All those questions youll be digging out answers for. Coming up, trouble in paradise . President trump is supposedly not too thrilled with his lawyer, but is Rudy Giuliani really in danger of losing his job . Details coming up but first, jimmy fallon revealed some of what could be going through the president s mind while dealing with the shutdown. Look at all those people Walking Around down there not working. Its all because of me. Youre welcome, walking people. Oh, look, its some tsa agents and theyre waving. And now theyre holding up one finger to say were number one. How nice. Y were number one how nice but the house was built too small. This is kind of awesome . How long are we here . For one year, sparks will fly. This is not awesome. I just want to make an omlete oh, are you kidding me . The drama will be real, but it wont save you any money on car insurance. Geico. 15 minutes could save you 15 or more. Why havent you called geico . From capital one. 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Headscratching interviews have left a lot of folks confused and left the president apparently infuriated. In a if you new reports out today say President Trump believes giulianis media blitz is hurting him. The president told confidantes is should have been talking about mueller. Instead he changed headlines for the worst and suggested giuliani cut back on tv appearances. Robert costa political reporter for the washington post. Kristin, we heard from Sarah Sanders this morning, he know you tried to get a reaction to some of this. Whats the latest. I asked her repeatedly about the future of Rudy Giuliani, is it in jeopardy. She didnt answer. Important to point out i did ask her as she was sort of walking away. No official word here this morning, but our colleague Peter Alexander reporting yesterday that according to a Senior Administration official, giulianis recent comments about the russia inquiry are not helping. And some folks here are questioning why giuliani keeps going on tv if nothing good can come of it. One person saying dont do it. That seems to be some of the buzz here around some of those recent comments by Rudy Giuliani over the weekend, of course, on meet the press. He gave that expanded timeline for when the president and michael cohen, then candidate trump were discussing that trump tower project in moscow. He ended up walking those comments back. That was so problematic because the thinking was he was going on the sunday shows to take aim at that buzzfeed report which had been disputed by the special counsels office. Buzzfeed isnt retracting its original reporting. Now that underscoring questions about giuliani but halle, hes always been somewhat of a pr person for the president. Hes always yes, been a lawyer but hes been out front on tv, sometimes making controversial headlines, sometimes sticking to the message. The president though, the one thing that gets under his skin more than anything else are the escalating headlines over russia. Undoubtedly this moment frustrating him. However, no indication that giuliani is leaving anytime soon, halle. Kristen welker on the north lawn. Great to see you. Bob, listen, you know as well as i do in this white house somebody is not happy with somebody else, theres always somebody the president is fuming at or what have you. Based on your reporting, how real is his anger at giuliani at the moment. Based on conversation with trump advisers the anger is real. Yet, there are chals to removing giuliani from his position. When you think about this white house, have you pat sip loanny, the new white house counsel, low key presence, not doing television, focused on battles with congress ahead. Jay sekulow not as much a tv figure as hes been in the past. As much as the president may be frustrated with giuliani, there are very few people in his inner circle and within the Republican Party who want to be out there day in day out speaking on the president s behalf on the russia investigation. Most people want to avoid it. Because of that he survives. Is it only, a. B. , Rudy Giulianis he fault that the issues have been confused here . No, this is a really good question. I believe all the reporting that the president s really angry. I think the knives are out for giuliani from other people. The president puts a premium on people going on tv even if they dont make sense. I think he wants the zone to be flooded and the subject to be Rudy Giulianis flipflops and not the fact that evers negotiating a moscow project with the president of the Russian Federation while the Russian Federation was trying to determine the outcome of this election, was interfering with it to defeat clinton and elect donald trump and that putin, while President Trump then candidate trump lied to the American Public had something over donald trump and he was therefore compromised. I think he wants all these subs changed. If were going to talk about Rudy Giulianis word salad all the time, thats a way to do it. I think the knives are out because there were three republicans on background in an a. P. Story saying hes going on at night after drinking. Obviously people are furious with Rudy Giuliani. I think costas reporting is correct. President gets frustrated when the heat comes but he likes what giuliani is doing and hell disappear from the shows for a few weeks and come back. Aides in the white house are frustrated because giuliani has beak become the face of the white house. There hasnt been a press briefing by Sarah Sanders since december 18th. The face of the white house right now other than the face of the president is really Rudy Giuliani going out day in and day out. Every time he says something thats not true, has to clean it up so it hurts the credibility of the administration. I agree with a. B. A lot of that is intentional. I agree with that because i think theres also this effort i believe by giuliani and trump to create a confusion Campaign Among the public where theres so much disspir rit and different information being out out inaccurate or false and has to be corrected that the applicant digest it and fully understand what is going on in russia. It would be old news when its finally revealed. You make a point about the face of the white house versus the face of the president s legal team. Sarah sanders and other white house officials dob go on fox news a lot. Almost every day. They are speaking to somebody i guess. Some folks. Bob, theres a piece in the ap article that talks about the president s legal team inside the white house and his legal team outside the white house. Two different entities with two different sets of priorities. How part of the confusion is while giuliani frequently speaks to President Trump, his client, the president s legal team has had a difficult time corralling President Trump for a lengthy debriefing about the facts of the case particularly events stemming from the president. Giuliani can get donald trump on the phone but it sounds like others are having a tougher time getting him down for any period of time. This is a white house in transition. Don mcgahn had been part of the campaign, then came into the white house. Pat cippiloni has been hiring other lawyers to try to guide him as they face possible subpoenas on horizon. So many white house officials dont want to interact at all with the russia investigation and want to throw that over to the white house counsels office. They dont want to engage with the press. Youre left with Rudy Giuliani being the face of the administration seemingly on the russia investigation, but thats just a bond between the president and giuliani. Theres not a lot of coordination going around because hes the president s personal lawyer. Bob cost ta, appreciate you coming on. A. B. , doug, youre both sticking around. Coming up, as the World Economic forum holds its annual conference in davos, Business Leaders in the u. S. S are raising concerns about the growing rice of pop lewism. Were going live to davos with the woman typically in this chair, Stephanie Rhule. First the mayor of south bend, indiana is the latest to throw his hat in the ring for the president ial office. He announced his launch of his Exploratory Committee and making his pitch. 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And many are saying if people who arent affected and the here, how are we going to solve this. I met with the coo of paypal who said thats a huge issue. Half the world cant afford to bank. Theyre the unbanked. If youre locked out of the financial system, how can you possibly rise up. So Smaller Companies like a paypal if you compare them to big traditional banks are trying to figure out how do we reach all of those forgotten people whether its in emerging countries or the developed world to try to get them to tap into entrepreneurship and really just moving up. Take a look. So the bakes of how we would manage and move our money which would be through a bank account, through debit cards, through digital. You have to have money to do that. What many people may not consider a lot of money would be a lot of money to more than half the people in the world. They may not have access to those things. If you couple that with the future opportunities in the Digital Economy having access to Financial Services is a prerequisite to participating that economy, you will have a broadening gap between those sort of benefiting from the Digital Economy versus those on the outside looking in. We really need to make sure those benefits are more evenly distributed and more available to everyone so no matter where youre born, no matter what socioeconomic background you have, you can have access to basic Financial Services. Reporter halle, woo know that capitalism as it stands is broken. In the last 24 hours stateside, weve heard from members of congress saying how can people possibly be this rich . Guess what, people are this rich because thats how the system works. But if the question is, lets change the game, not blame the player, those conversations are being had. If the Current System doesnt work, lets try to find a better and smarter one. And the fact that the u. S. Delegation isnt here isnt a positive because theyre a part of it. Stephanie rhule live in davos, switzerland. Thank you so much. Well see you at this time tomorrow. Coming up next, the student seen in that viral video in a standoff outside the Lincoln Memorial is now signaling he has some regrets. Youll hear directly from that High School Junior in a few minutes. The 2019 Baseball Hall of fame, topping that list marianna rivera, baseballs all time saves leader. The first player in history to be voted in unanimously, receiving 100 of the votes, a special shutout on behalf of our new york Production Team for this program. Of our new rkyo Production Team for this program i thought i was managing my moderate to severe ulcerative colitis. But i realized something was missing. Me. The thought of my symptoms returning was keeping me from being there for the people and things i love most. 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Also today students here at covington Catholic High School are back in class for the First Time Since the video went viral. Police on high alert after students received threats over the last few days. Initially the School District had said these students could face expulsion. Now they say a Third Party Investigation will begin this week. As you mentioned, the student at the center of all this Nick Sandmann sat down exclusively with todays savannah guthrie. Do you feel from this experience that you owe anybody an apology . Do you see your own fault in any way . As far as standing there, i had every right to do so. I my position is that i was not disrespectful to mr. Phillips. I respect him. Id like to talk to him. I mean, in hindsight i wish we could have walked away and avoided the whole thing. But i cant say that im sorry for listening to him and standing there. Some people see a young kid with a smirk on his face. Uhhuh. What would you say for people who see that and are making a judgment about who you are . Well, people have judged me based off one expression which i wasnt smirking but people have assumed thats what i have. Theyve gone from there to titling me and labeling me as a racist person. Someone thats disrespectful to adults which theyve had to assume so many things to get there without consulting anyone that can give them the opposite story. Sandmann told savannah he did not see some of his classmates make a tomahawk chop as we saw in other videos but for his part, Nathan Phillips, a native american elder, weve spoken to him several times since these videos went viral. We have not been able to reach him for comment since savannahs interview. He has repeatedly said he intervened, he says he got in between these students and those protests are that were already there but he felt threatened when he was surrounded by the students. Halle, we should point out yesterday we went to a protest by some native american groups here in covington. And they had wanted the chaperones in the incident to be held accountable. In the middle of that protest, there was a person who showed up who supported the students who was wearing a make America Great again hat and he did have a conversation with of those native americans where he said they should open up dialogue and have a conversation. This has become a politically charged debate. Hopefully the more conversation can happen as this moves forward. Gabe gutierrez live in kentucky. Thank you. Up next, could the president be coming to a city near you . President trump seemed determined to difficult his state of the Union Address even if the logistics are not quite nailed down yet. But first, we wont be seeing the rematch everyone was waiting for between Serena Williams and naomi osaka. Williams lost her match in a stunning upset. 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Traditionally the president does deliver account state of the union in the House Chamber. That is not a requirement. He has options. He can hold a political rally and give a speech there. He could deliver the address from the oval office. He could even head back to the u. S. mexico border which isnt the worst backdrop if youre making a case for a wall. Trump is preparing two versions of the speech one that could be delivered in washington, another given somewhere else in the country depending on the circumstances. Our team confirmed there are multiple passages for multiple locations being works on, too. Bottom line, heres your spoiler. The state of our you know is dysfunctional. Back to the panel. Where does this thing go from here. What should the president do . Pelosis office isnt saying whether or not theyre going to actually cancel this. She asked him to postpone but hasnt rescinded the offer. She was asked about that five minutes ago. We have the video to show you. Its real quick. So watch. Speaker he will pel, state of the union, have you heard back from the president. No. No, she hasnt heard back from the president yet on the state of the union formally. He hasnt accepted to speak and he hasnt responded to her letter. I think he has accepted the invitation. No, as far as. Her speaker office. My view is were not in normal times right now. The idea of we talked about this. Wait a second. You have like 100 freshmen lawmakers who have not experienced functional government since sworn in. Theyve not served in congress when the government was open. Thats shocking. We are not in normal times. I think with things like the state of the union, with retreats, a lot of the customs that occur in congress, by moving forward with them, i think it sort of normalizes this dysfunction. That is i think a mistake. And i think for institutionalists like nancy pelosi and steny hoyer and even Mitch Mcconnell, theyre worried about that theres an interesting editorial in the Dallas Morning News that says donald trump could take the entire state of the union out of the capitol, invite every member of congress and deliver the address from the heartland. Doing so would be political theater but it could also open up a substantive discussion no matter which state he selects and force conversation about what other regions of the country need and whether washington is meeting obligations. Chuckles from some end of the table. It would be a disaster. People are standing in lines to get food. They cant pay copayments. Were hearing that the fbi cant conduct investigations and then they would be funding hundreds of members to go to the site for this pr rally. I think it would be a political disaster for the white house. The point of doing the state of the union from the house floor is to show unity in our government and that the congress and white house are having a conversation about the nation as a whole. What our priorities are and where things go. To do it in a different way that steps away from the institutional reason why this exists. And its a political speech when its in the House Chamber, but kelseys right. It is a statement of unity between two separate and coequal branches. If its off campus, its going to be a rally and going to be a full attack on the opposite party as obstructionists and everything else. Im with doug. Business is usual is unacceptable right now. I dont think the speaker should have taken her codel. The state of the union is not an emergency and can be rescheduled for when the government is opened. What do you think the president is preparing multiple passages. No surprise. Different sections of different speeches depending where and when they go. Not a big surprise. He cant really give the exact same speech that you would give on the House Chamber to a rally of his base. His base is expecting something completely and entirely different. If he decides to give a red meat speech, its going to be a different idea what the state of the union actually is. If he gives a speech, if he does give a speech in front of in the well of the house, i just think again, the optics, what is he going to say in the state of the union is good . No one believes that. I think he will look out of touch particularly especially if this is taking place when the government is shut down. He will look out of touch and i think hell do real damage to the Republican Party in general if he gives a political rally speech. Are there any benefits to getting out of washington . Its not going to be a traditional like speech. Its not no matter what if the government is shutdown. If he calls for bipartisanship and waspositive, but if it was typical in a hangar screaming about his political enemies, thats a mistake. Or he could set more agenda items. The only thing on his agenda is the wall. Republicans need some sort of conversation about policy. We are not talking about policy and were almost a month into this new congress. You had an interesting point as we talk about the shutdown. The senate is going to vote tomorrow for the tooirs imever in this shutdown, but im old enough to remember Mitch Mcconnell saying he didnt want show votes. He said he wasnt going to vote on anything that wasnt an agreement between the president and democrats. We know the president offered what was negotiated between the republicans and the president. He has taken away his leverage to say hes not going to do these things and the reason hes not voting is because it hasnt met the criteria. He may set himself up for a string of show votes. Theyre doing this vote tomorrow because they didnt want to hang out over the weekend . They didnt plan to be here in the first place. This was supposed to be a recess. Theyre supposed to be out talking to their constituents. I think its also so the senators can go home and say they took a vote. Mitch mcconnell has literally this has not been his best moment. Hes been brought back out of the shrubs that was part of his strategy. Right . Dems and president s, let them do their thing. It was only part of his strategy, but i think he feels like he got rolled by trump. In december. He was stuck there. He went on a limb. It got changed. A plug later this morning. A huge Mitch Mcconnell piece that dropped. The author of that is coming on the show. Thank you all. Its a pleasure to see you in the round this morning. Stephanie ruhle likes to end this show, theres always good news somewhere, and we think good news rules. As this partial shutdown drags on, we hear stories of people across the country who are stepping up to help those federal workers that are now going on one month with no paycheck. That includes Anthony Williamson. Hes offering free haircut to hur l furloughed workers at his barbershop. This is a bright spot Silver Lining in the mess. Reporter it really is. Here we are in this barbershop. A barbershop is a great place to have a conversation. Weve come here to indianapolis, and the Jay Williamson barbershop, and Anthony Williamson is the owner and he is showing an act of kindness. Why have you decided to give free haircuts to federal workers being furloughed during the shutdown . Its my way of trying to help out. Being furloughed which equates to not getting a paycheck, every little bit helps. And a lot of the people who come in here are tsa workers. Weve had several tsa workers. Weve had other level of workers come in. Mainly tsa workers. Several who are working part time jobs in addition to trying to deal with the shutdown thats going on. What do they say to you . What said to you ive got to do this and give back a little bit . I have one worker explain to me that he was about to go and apply for unemployment, and i offered her a free haircut at that moment, that he was hair. He refused to take it because he didnt want me to suffer too. He was thinking about you . He was thinking about me. So it actually gave me a pretty good feeling. It showed sensitivity on both sides. I just took it upon myself, if he can do that, then im going to do what i can. And youve said so much as you think its good medicine to get a haircut. A haircut makes you feel very good. I grew up whith my grandmother telling me if you dont have a dollar in your pocket, look like you have a dollar in your pocket. Want them to look good. Right now its pretty tough trying to keep your morale up, trying to be positive. I feel like a good haircut for the 30 minutes youre sitting in the chair, your mind is off of it. Youre going to walk away looking good and hopefully it lasts for a while. Giving back is an act of kindness to people still doing their jobs. Many of the tsa workers are still on the job and theyre not getting paid. This guy is going to make sure they look good. Thank you so much for that good news. We appreciate it. And we appreciate you joining us for this hour. Coming up, were talking about the increasing impact of the shutdown beyond washington, beyond federal workers. Were talking with a former democratic senator out of north dakota about how she thinks this will end. Stay with us. [fri ive never se. I have. But prevagen helps your brain with an ingredient i have. Originally discovered. In jellyfish. In Clinical Trials, prevagen has been shown to improve shortterm memory. Prevagen. Healthier brain. Better life. At fidelity, our online u. S. Equity trades are just 4. 95. 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The fbi saying the shutdown is making the country less safe. Federal workers are missing a second paycheck. Well have more from one group of people who will not get paid at all. Rudy giuliani might be on the rocks. The president is reportedly furious with his lawyer. Plus an nbc news exclusive. The teenager who confronted a native American Veteran talking with us about that moment and why he didnt just walk away. As far as standing there, i had every right to do so. I dont my position is that i was not disrespectful. We have our team out covering all of this from coast to coast, and we start in washington where we are at the point where its considered a breakthrough when the senate decides to simply vote to try to do its job. While some federal workers are wishing they could do their own jobs. And the ones doing their jobs are doing it without getting paid. Heres what they have to say to washington. Theres thousands of us out here with families. Were not getting any back pay. Were always going to be behind the 8 ball. My landlord has made it clear i have a week to pay or im going to be evicted. I cant negotiate with my chemo. That has to happen. This chemo or the rent, chemo wins. Nbc has been tracking the real and immediate effects of the shutdown