Me break it down. First, i want to go to nbcs ron allen live in tribeca where the package sent to Robert De Niro was found. What can you tell us specifically about this package and how they realized what it was . Well, stephanie, were still trying to figure out the details of exactly that. One report that the employee here at Tribeca Enterprises realized there had been a package delivered at some other point in time and called in after this on the news. Another suggested it was discovered by a Security Guard this morning. What we know is that about 5 a. M. , this package was discovered here. The police were here quickly, within the hour, to remove it. Now, this was another really crazy scene down here in lower manhattan, similar to not as bad as it was at the cnn center because it was 3 00 in the morning and the building was deserted. Were in view of the world trade center. Were about a mile away from where a terrorist drove a truck into a bike lane about a year ago on halloween, killing a number of people. So this is a very densely populated part of manhattan. People are coming, arriving for work. The police cordoned off a lot of the streets. There was a heavy police presence. Right now, the building is open. Theres a restaurant. Theres also a hotel and de niro enterprises office, the Tribeca Enterprises offices are down there. People are coming and going. But of course given whats been happening these nine or so device, everyone is wondering does what might happen next and where this might occur next, very uneasy feeling down here. The police have opened up the streets. People are going about their business. Going to work. Doing what they want to do as this investigation continues. Stephanie. I mean, just think about the time of day for a moment. Where Tribeca Enterprises, where tribeca grill is located. Youre diagonally across the street from citi bank. Youre just down the block on greenwich street from ps234. That is a street where you see people going to work. Every single morning. I used to walk that street with my kids. So to see it filled with police, filled with the fire squad, it is concerning. I want to bring in nbc justice correspondent Pete Williams and nbc investigations reporter tom winter. Tom, pete, we were all here in these exact seats yesterday. Were back this morning. With more packages. They all appear to be from the same person. They all look the same. Were told they all have the same contents. What appears to be a pipe bomb made of plastic pvc pipe all pretty much look like this, with some kind of timer or circuit attached to the side. So this brings to nine the number of packages. The ones we knew about yesterday. Then we found out late last night there were two that were sent to congresswoman Maxine Waters. One found at the facility outside washington that screens mail for congress. The other found at a screening facility or a postal facility near her office in los angeles. And then this morning, the one to biden that was found in new castle, delaware. They were looking for that one yesterday. Because a postal worker thought he or she remembered seeing it going through the system. So eyes were already on that as of late last night. They thought perhaps it was because of a delivery problem or insufficient postage. It was to be returned. They thought it made it back to florida. Then they found it at this postal facility where it was going to be returned to the return address on it. But, i mean, the good thing now is that everybody pretty much knows what to look for. And that is the good news on the de niro package. It was actually a security person who remembered seeing this package at the office and then after seeing the stories last night that showed pictures just like this of the the other packages, called the nypd this morning and said hey, i think we have one of those. Now i think all eyes are out for these packagings. But of course they cant rule out there may be more. We dont know of any more. The one for biden weve been looking for. The de niro one this morning was a new one to us and to the authorities. But, you know, the worry is that there may be more out there and thats why they want everyone to keep a sharp eye out for these. Thats why the postal workers and postal facilities are being extra vigilant about any of them moving through their facilities. My goodness. All right, tom, give us an idea of what investigators are doing right now. I mean, the clock is ticking. The threat is across the country. Where do they begin . I think the key part of this investigation, and i know what theyre focusing on right now, is the bombs. They have to be able to and theyve been doing this obviously since monday. Theyve been knowing this has been going on. Its all about analyzing the bombs. Why didnt they go off. Who is behind this. What type of techniques did they use that could help maybe narrow down a possible list of suspects or a suspect. And why didnt they go off . We have an xray picture of one of deet vices that weve shown this morning and weve been able to obtain. Basically what you see in that xray photo, its very clear how this bomb was put together. One bomb analyst said, look, all the components are there for a detonation. So right now, why didnt it go off . So often when these go off, and you can clearly see from the photo the wires that go into the pvc pipe we talked about. Inside that, were told theres a low explosive or pyrotechnique explosive. So looking for a little bit of clarity on that. Theres some other components on it. Theres a few reasons why this bomb appears not to have gone off. Which are . I dont want to detail those because i dont want to tell if the person is watching right now what he or she is doing wrong. There are reasons why experts believe these devices did not go off. So often, the bombs are the ends to the means of the motive. In this case, if they didnt go off and that was intentional that they not go off but they have all the components, what does that say about the person thats been sending them around . What does that say about their motives. So i think in two points, not only to find this person but also to get a better understanding of why theyre doing this, the analyzing of the bombs is going to be so important. Having spent time with the people that actually do this, some of the folks that did the that look the into the Boston Marathon bombing, actually, they reconstructed those bombs fully. They took all the evidence and built their own version of the bomb so that they could get a better understanding of how those go off. Theyre going to go and break down every single component. Where did the wires come from . Where did the battery come from . The timing device, the digital alarm clock that appears to be on this which you see, thats that kind of square piece you see in the middle of the photograph. Where did all these components come from . It appears theres shrapnel inside this as well. All of that is key evidence not only to figure out whos doing this but also at some point to put together hopefully a successful prosecution. Fbi, secret service, the police force here and around the country. We thank them as always, especially over the last 24 hours for their work and dedication. Pete, last point to you on this . Right, well, i guess the forensic thing that tom was talking about is one avenue. The second is an avenue and a question. Some of these devices we know were handled through the postal service. So they had postmarks and postmarks can give the information a lot of information to the investigators. Not only what city did they come from, but what was the last Main Post Office through which they moved. You dont see a postmark on this one. They werent all postmarked. Some they believe were hand delivered. If thats the case, then that raises a question. Is there someone who was unwittingly helping this person or did this person actually deliver the bombs themselves or did they have help . Thats another avenue that theyre going to be looking into. So trying to find out what post office they were sent from, go back to the time and date when they assumed they were sent. Look for surveillance pictures of who might have been around the post office at that time delivering all these packages. Theres a lot of investigative possibilities here. My goodness. Lets broaden this conversation out. I want to bring in the former assistant fbi director for counterintelligence who specifically worked on the anthrax investigation back in 2001. Clint van zandt, a former fbi agent and profiler. Malcolm nance is the executive director of the terror asymmetrics project and a former u. S. Intelligence officer. And Jim Cavanaugh, retired atf special agent. Frank, to you first, two more packages found this morning. So thats nine since monday. Whats your reaction . Well, a couple things, first, the obvious. Every time we get another package, especially when its intact, we get more evidence. It also exposes the suspect or suspects further. One of the questions in my mind is as we get these trickling in, lets look at a time line of postmarks and when they were put in the system. Are we looking at a day or two of the bad guy or bad guys putting these in the system or looking at an active operation where they continue to do this on a daily basis. So thats a question Law Enforcement has to ask. Do we have a oneshot transaction . Or is this a continuing transaction . Thats important. The other thing is we have a new target today were aware of. Thats a hollywood celebrity. Thats Robert De Niro. That changes things slightly potentially in terms of profile. Because weve moved from very traditional government and former Government People and national, International Media organization, cnn, all on a kind of target list of our product, but now we move into some a personal a private person who is very public in his feelings about this president. I see a more personal touch here. I see someone who is being personally impacted and feels an affinity for the president. Feels that mr. De niro has slighted the president. And so we open up the scope and universe of potential targets today to anyone who is speaking openly about the president. All right, clint, give us an idea that the profile of this wouldbe bomber, given what we know so far, what do you think . Well, you know, number one, we have at least nine bombs, or what appears to be a bomb, that have been in the system. But realize, you know, some of us can go back, you know, to the 1940s and 50s, a time of george mctesky, the socalled mad bomb theyre terrorized new york over a long period. He sent 33 or he planted 33 bombs. 22 of which exploded. Here we have nine devices. None of which have detonated or exploded. That brings me to my question. We always consider motive. We want to know why someone is doing this. Is this particular individual or are these individuals, are they trying to send a message or are they trying to commit murder . If theyre trying to commit murder, theyre doing clint, i need to interrupt you. I have to go back to Pete Williams with some breaking news. Now we believe the number of devices is ten. Authorities tell us they have now found another of these packages. Also addressed to Vice President biden. This time at another facility in delaware, at a postal facility in wilmington, delaware. The earlier one we talked about a while ago was found early this morning in new castle, delaware. Now were told another one has been found. I think youre looking at the new Castle Pictures here. Now were told that they have found another device. Similar to the others. Also addressed to Vice President biden. So former Vice President biden. That would be two to him. Thats not the only time that two packages were addressed to the same person. You may recall that authorities now say that two were addressed to congresswoman Maxine Waters. One at her office that was found at the offsite mail facility outside washington, d. C. Where mail to congress is screened. And another at her office in l. A. So now two packages addressed to Vice President biden. This brings us, the number of packages now to ten. Packages to ten. Pete, stay with us. Clint, i want to go back to you. You were saying . Yes, when we consider motive, were trying to understand with this individual as pete has just told us, now theres ten known devices or maybe more in the mail out there. Fortunate fortunately, none of these have detonated. If this individual, if his goal is murder, fortunately, hes done or theyve done a very bad job. If, however, theyre simply trying to send a message, if they have all the components of a bomb, a power supply, an initiator, an explosive, a switch, but intentionally they have this set so it wont go off, theyre simply trying to get a message, theyre trying to get the attention and we know theyve got the worlds attention, so as my friend Jim Cavanaugh said yesterday, okay, youve got our attention. Youre up on the stage. If you have a message, whoever you are, tell us what that message is. Theres no need to keep sending these through the mail. Because the message of terror is obviously to terrorize all of us. Thats been done. Youve got our attention. Now do something about it. This individual has got a platform. He shouldnt waste the chance, if hes got something to say, this is the time to stand up and tell all of us what his true message is. My gosh, malcolm, where would you say things stand and focus in terms of the investigation . I mean, in just the last moment, now theres a tenth package. Well, right now, theres the postal inspector, the fbi, you know, and the secret service are all on this package hunt. And were starting to see these packages start to emanate out, into, as clint just said a moment ago, into the environment of people who can only be targeted on the basis of what this bomber has in his head, right. Robert de niro, a critic of the president. It could now be anybody. It could be any individual in the news media. Were pretty sure, now that weve reached ten, this is probably more bomb also in the pipeline that we havent seen. Theres a couple of prominent democratic personalities that im surprised havent received a device that most likely will. We need to get in this investigation. Its the manhunt for the bomber that is the utmost importance. Until we have identified him, we have found his bomb factory, we have, you know, located and shut down his pipeline for disseminating these things, that needs to be priority number one. As these things trickle up, you know, in the news media, we do his bidding. This is an intimidation campaign. And hes doing a good job of intimidating the nation. All right, jim, lets walk through this just a bit, what we know about these bombs. They were made of pvc pipe. They contain timers to set off the detonators. It included powder from fireworks and they include shrapnel. What do you make from this combination . I looked at these real closely. Looked at the xrays. Have handled many like it. I think in a totality of the circumstances, i think clint makes a great point, maybe they were not intended to detonate. Thats a point you would consider. My analysis would be they were intended to detonate. Just from what i see. Heres some of the reasons. You dont put shrapnel, hidden shrapnel, glass, inside a pipe, to scare anybody. Its not going to scare anybody. Youre not going to see it. If you want to put shrapnel to intimidate or, like, in a hoax device, you tape a bunch of nails around the outside of the bomb so the visual attack of your hoax bomb you see. Thats not here. This is hidden shrapnel in the bomb. That makes me think this bomber wanted it to detonate. Look at it defusing in the firing system, i can see some flaws i wont talk about. We would never want to arm the bomber with good information. But they do progress. They change. The digital timer alarm clock is probably a safe arm switch. The bomber could carry all his bombs to the post office and there may be more than one bomber here. There may be an accomplice as well. They could carry the thing about carrying ten bombs, franks point, they might have been mailed at once, could have been mailed multiple times. Think about lugging these things around in your vehicle, as clint would say, preoffense behavior we say that again. Preoffense behavior, just before. You cant safely lug these kind of contraptions around without the risk of them blowing up on you unless you have a safe arm switch. A safe arm switch would be that digital alarm clock that would be what i would think it is. And he would set the alarm clock for a couple hours ahead, drop in the post office and then until that alarm clock armed the circuit, they would not detonate. Once the victim received the envelop, pulled the switch, the bomb could detonate. All right, were going to take a quick break. 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Com back to the breaking news. We have been following all morning. Now we know the number of packages containing explosives mailed to Top Democrats and trump critics is ten. President trump trying to keep a somber tone at a rally last night in wisconsin. Trying. The radical far left opponent is tammy baldwin. [ audience booing ] who wants a socialist takeover of health care. You know, im trying to say that very nicely, im trying see, normally id scream, they want a socialist takeover. Now i say wants a socialist takeover. Im trying to be nice. Okay. Right . Trying to be nice. Nbcs pete effortr alexander is white house. Peter, walk us through this. Investigators are now looking into ten packages, but the president , hes not tweeting about that. Hes going after the media. Yes, no, stephanie, youre right, even as we watched live coverage this morning of federal Law Enforcement official also trying to wrap their heads around the scope of this investigation, how many other devices may still be out there, their lives and frankly the lives of who knows how many other individuals still in jeopardy at this moment. We did hear from the president this morning. His only Public Comment so far today about this issue, and he did it in the form, not surprisingly, of a tweet. He wrote the following, he said, a very big part of the anger we see today in our society is caused by the purposely false and inaccurate reporting of the Mainstream Media that i refer to as fake news. It has gotten so bad and hateful that it is beyond description. Mainstream media must clean up its act fast. The president last night, nor this morning, taking any responsibility for the toxic political culture. Of course we dont know the motivations of the specific individual behind these devices being sent out. We did hear from Sarah Sanders this morning who was speaking about the president s tweet. Here she was on fox and friends. Certainly the media has a role to play in this process. When at 90 of the coverage about this president is negative, despite the historic successes. When the ideas of per pet situa perpetuated and negative discourse. The president is calling on everyone to come together. If you have a problem, lets voice that but lets do so peacefully and lets do that at the ballot box. Sarah sanders a short time ago at fox and friends. We had a chance to speak to her after that interview. Where she said there is a difference between comments and actions taken. That was her response to questions about whether the president has any responsibility for this political culture we now live in, stephanie. The president s tweet, a very big part of the anger we see today in our society is caused by the purposely false and inaccurate reporting of the Mainstream Media. To that i say to the president a very big part of the anger in this country is caused by the president , who purposefully states inaccuracies, falsehoods and lives every day. If Sarah Sanders wants to separate the two and look at these policies, you could also look at these policies that maybe people feel good about them, it doesnt change the fact that the president of the United States lies every single day. When the media reports on that and fact checks him, that is not a negative bias, thats called reporting. Joining me now, eli stokeles, White House Correspondent for the l. A. Times. And Pennsylvania Republican congressman ryan costello. The president says he will tone it down, but hes back to twitter this morning, saying that the Mainstream Media must clean it up. Last night, he was clearly told by his advisers to rein it in, but at best, he lowered his voice, and he almost made mockery of those, saying i would normally say. I mean, this could be an extraordinary moment for the president. To sit in the oval office. Call upon president bush, president obama, president clinton and say we have to come together for safety of our country. This is the moment so Many Republicans said he would pivot. I agree this was a missed opportunity in terms of just sticking with what he said yesterday. This is a despicable, deplorable, we need to unify, we need to be less negative and more civil. I think that the tweet itself is emblematic of where we are. Were looking to blame the media, republicans, democrats, social media, rather than just focusing on the fact that this is an extremely serious were up to ten. There could be an 11th, god forbid. The focus should be on figuring out who did this. Once we determine who that is, then we can pinpoint the psychology behind it. But pointing it at anyone right now i think just exacerbates the situation and that i think is the frustration. How deep is the tribalism . I saw a joint statement. All of a sudden, i read joint statement, im going yes. But its Chuck Schumer and nancy pelosi. A joint statement from paul ryan, mitch mcconnell, Chuck Schumer and nancy pelosi. That is the kind of joint statement that we need at a time when theres chaos like this. Of course. The challenge here i think is that we first, we need to separate the fact were going to have midterm elections in two weeks. Everybody is very intense. There are prorepublicans, prodemocrat, whatever the case may be. If the president wants to go to a rally and rail against a particular senate, whatever, i think thats imbalanced. Just as democrats rail against republicans for this that or the other thing. But were talking about pipe bombs at post offices and mailboxes. Its an extremely dangerous situation. And we are now demonizing classes of people, political figures, media figures, celebrities who decide to speak out. Listen, i may totally disagree with something mr. De niro has to say or someone else has to say. That doesnt mean that i should use the kind of language which inspires others to hate that person. Nor should those in the media, on social media or my colleagues use the kind of language that would incite people to despise me to the extent that they think someone should do that to him. Thats where we are. And i think we all need to quell it down rather than exacerbate it. Thats where we are at this moment but we can change and be better. Totally agree. I want to bring you back in. We heard from Jeff Sessions. Yes, we did hear from Jeff Sessions just moments ago. Lets just pull the take and take a listen. Condemn the actions that led to these activities. In the strongest possible terms. Get to the bottom of it tough of course to hear some of the attorney general there, but he said that the administration condemns these actions in the strongest possible terms. He said justice will be done. Sessions has played a crucial role in this investigation. At least to this point. We know he was a part of a briefing that took place here at the white house yesterday. That the president was in attendance for. Along side his chief of staff here, john kelly, kirstjen nielsen, the dhs secretary as well as the fbi director and his secret service were all in attendance for that. Again, we just heard from Jeff Sessions moments ago, steph. All right, thanks, peter. The president is criticizing the media, but the reason a Building Worker at Tribeca Enterprises flagged this package was specifically because he was watching news and coverage of other bombs when he saw those envelops on tv. He suddenly remembered what he had seen in his own mailroom. I think if we separate those things, a point that was made earlier this hour by one of your other guests, about the fact that people have seen this, they know what theyre looking for and thats something thats really looking for Law Enforcement. The president is not blaming the media for putting that information out there. Hes just blaming the media in general because he obviously feels some sense of responsibility or at least understands. He understands that there are people out there who are laying a lot of the blame for this, for this political cut ulture, for nastiness, at his feet. Its not surprising he would wait. He would let Sarah Sanders yesterday and his wife mel yaan trump go out first and talk about this. And after he makes the statements calling for everyone to come together and condemning the violence, that it would just be a matter of hours before he, instead of just leaving it there, pivots to blaming the media. To again making more divisive comments. And to really allowing people to question the authenticity of what he said in the first place by sort of giving a wink and a nod to everybody at the rally last night by saying, hey, arent i behaving well . Arent i good . Im not attacking Hillary Clinton or Maxine Waters by name. Thats almost an admission that he knows that some of his rhetoric is being blamed for this. Whether he believes that its responsible or not or truly believes that its all the medias fault, who knows. But it just seems like the president is conflicted. Hes uncomfortable by this. A lot of situations, charlottevilles another one. Weve seen him be quiet for a little while and ultimately lash out and blame the media for twisting his words or for creating a climate or a situation that really a lot of people are blaming him for creating. What it is is putting petraepatrio patriots in the administration who are trying to put Country First in an even more difficult position. Congressman john brennan who you know has been a very outspoken critic of President Trump, who received, who was the target of one of these packages, said this yesterday. What he said today is what the president should be doing. But follow up on those words with actions and with his future comments. Im hoping that maybe this is a turning point. To your point you just made, could this be a turning point . For john brennan to say that yesterday after we first saw the president there was this hope. But here we are 24 hours later and we saw the wink and the nod last night. Do you think the president can pivot here . Honestly . Not idealistically, honestly, knowing the man he is. I dont think that the attacks on the media are going to end. I do i would hope that the depersonalization of some of this were to occur. But its so speculative that i wouldnt want to get myself into trouble by suggesting and i dont want you to. Eli, before we go, ted cruz, he weighed in on this. And while he calls for civility, you know, it was just a couple days ago hes saying that beto orourke and Hillary Clinton should share a jail cell, but he immediately turned it back on the democrats. Take a look. Its worth pointing out, and listen, i think the media always focuses on the president. There are too many democratic politicians that are actively encouraging this. When Maxine Waters tell people go, harris, scream, yell, come after people, thats wrong. All right. Is this the argument republicans are going to use here . Is there blame on both sides . Or is this the opportunity for those who want to have their john mccain moment to say lets come together. Many people who voted for President Trump werent democrats or republicans. They were pragmatic. They wanted bipartisanship. They wanted washington to Work Together for once. Yes, think youre right. I think the answer to both your questions is yes, it could be a john mccain moment for someone who wants to seize it. But youre already seeing that response from senator cruz. I think. And the president s response, you know, so Many Republican these days follow the template the president lays out for them. They sort of demonize. They divide that wedge deeper into the sort of tribal the tribalism in our culture. They believe its beneficial. The president s closing strategy in these midterms is to go out there and motivate Republican Voters with a lot of fear and a lot of vitriol at these rallies. Hes trying to make sure that people are freaked out enough to go vote. If thats whats motivating republicans largely in the final couple weeks of this election, i think the response youre likely to see more of is what you saw from senator cruz. I think its just part of the president s overall strategy. It seems very unlikely that he will change his behavior when his entire political ascent and survival seems dependent on division. It seems dependent on accentuatiaccentuate ing grievance. Thats a pillar of his appeal. Youve seen the Republican Party really falling behind that approach. That is now a definition of not just trumpism but of the Republican Party writ large heading into the midterms. Or this is a moment for the center to rise. The country to come together. And defend the values in which we were built upon. Eli, thank you. Congressman, please, stick around. I got to turn to the markets. You know we must cover them. Weve got explosive stories all day long. And the dow is one of them. Plungie ining more than 600 poi yesterday eraising gains wait for it for the entire year. Markets are open, theyre back up. Were just six minutes into the trading day and the market is up 141. Thats enough to give you a stomach ache. Joining us now, my dear friend, dan nathan. Dr. Nathan, what is going on . Listen, thats not a great bounce after yesterdays decline by any means. I think investigators were looking at corporate earnings last night. We had some good ones. Microsoft, visa. Talk about consumer spending. Beat and a raise. Both those stockings are tras a up. That result als in 130 points i the Dow Jones Industrial average, the gain today. The volatility in the last month really has to do with concerns about global growth, okay, concerns about rising Interest Rates. We hear the president talk about that all the time. I think theres got to be some uncertainty about the midterms. We go back in time to the midterms. We see this sort of price action before, you know, elections. Ones that are very divisive. And so at the end of the day, you know, you said were flat on the year. Thats what the result of these gains have been. At one point, the dow was up 10 . Now its up just a very little bit. Thats much better than the rest of the world. European stocks are down 10 . Asian stocks are down 10 . The chinese shanghai composite is down 20 . Weve just given back some of these early gains. Its no time to panic i think when the market unchanged with all this uncertainty and were likely to get clarity. Why should midterms uncertainty affect the markets in such a way . Its not like, oh if you go republican, the market will go up. If you actually look historically, when a democratic president is in office, we have a better jobs picture. We have a stronger economy. Not to say that deregulation isnt good for business. But the idea that, oh, if republicans dont hold this, what will the market do, thats nonsense. Not all democrats are antifree markets. Thats absurd. Totally true. Stock market traded great. Under eight years of obama. I think the issue there has to do with the fact that, you know, a lot of the market gains since the election came because of deregulation, because of the promise of tax cuts for corporations. So when you think about that, you know, theres a lot of kind of theres a lot that needs to be pulled forward here. Why do you think the president is already talking about a middle class tax cut . Wasnt the tax cut last year supposed to be for the middle class . Or claiming he is going to do it now while congress isnt even in session, which makes absolutely no sense. Jim cramer, cnbcs mad money, your friend and mine, he said this two nights ago about the trump administration. Take a listen. The two men with the most influence over the stock market in the world, the president and the fed chief, are engaged in a totally destructive tugofwar where both sides are wrong. Thats right. President trump and fed chairman Jerome Powell have staked out opposite sides of the economy and the real loser is you. Do you agree with that . I mean, j. Powell is raising Interest Rates, which is what we thought he would do. If j. Powell is listening to the president who says the economy is stronger than ever, actually if hes listening to new economics enthusiast laura leigh trump who now likes to talk about the economy on fox news, then you would want to see Interest Rates rise to create a cushion if we head into a recession. Thats the exact point. I think jim is correct. But i dont think j. Powell is wrong. J. Powell is probably not listening to a lot of this barrage from the president. Hes being scapegoated, right, because hes basically tying whats going on, not in the economy, tying whats going on in the market to what j. Powell is doing. Its really important for you viewers to understand the markets the markets and the economy are not the same thing. Less than 50 of the u. S. Population even owns a stock. When the president gets up there and touts it, is he forgetting that those forgotten americans, his base, dont own many stocks . The real issue is this, he keeps touting wage growth. Wage growth adjusted for inflation is not rising. You think about the economy, you think about this talk about lowering taxes for the middle class, those are all things that may need to be done but not as larry kudlow says the economic boom is never going to end, you know what i mean . He said that 12 days ago. I guess the point is lets leave something in the tank. Theyre raising rates so they can get to a point the fed funds rate is at 2. 5 . You know what it was, it was 5 . In 2000 when the economy and the stock market tapped out, 6. 25 . In 2008, they went down to zero, okay, so now were just coming off of this period of policy thats unprecedented, this epic, epic rise since the financial crisis, so to me they got a little oil in the tank. Thats not negative bias, thats nothing antiadministration. Thats dan nathan covering the market, giving you facts about the economy. Again, as always, Sarah Sanders likes to talk about the economy. Ivanka trump likes to talk about the economy. 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Because when it comes to your finances, if you focus on today, tomorrow has a way of working itself out. Welcome back. Continuing our special coverage following the breaking news. Now, ten packages with explosives found. One of them addressed to actor Robert De Niro at his tribeca production company. Nbc is on the scene with the latest. Miguel, walk us through what we know about this package and when it was found. We know it was found early this morning b ining by a staff of de niros at this Office Location in tribeca. Just a few hours ago, these streets were blocked off. The building behind me was cordoned off. The bomb squad moved in and took away that suspicious device. It will likely end up going back to quantico where the fbi will have a closer look at it. The police say there is no threat. That is just one of several packages that was discovered today. We know two more packages were discovered in delaware that were addressed to Vice President joe biden. This remains a very fluid investigation. Federal authorities are working with multiple partners across the country trying to cordon down exactly what type of bomb making ingredients were in these devices, where they were purchased from and who sent them. That is of course a National Investigation that is being worked out and conducted mostly by the fbi who says this is their top priority. But theyre working with several federal agents including those at the u. S. Postal service, stephanie. And it is our top priority to cover this and give you all of the breaking news, miguel, thank you. As Law Enforcement officials are working around the clock to keep all of the targets of the explosive devices safe, the investigation is under way into who specifically the suspect is and there may be a clue in an image on the explosive device sent to former cia director john brennan, sent to cnn, appeared to display a parody of an isis flag taken from a meme thats been circulating since 2014. Nbcs ben collins has been reporting on the story. Walk us through this. Its crazy to me. Yes, heres what we know. We know that this is a meme thats been around basically its a picture of an isis flag but instead of the flag itself, instead of the arabic script, theres, like, fake naked ladies on there and it says get er done on it. What does that mean . Its a larry the cable guy joke. Its not a smart thing. Its meant to sort of symbolize that hes on one side. This is from a conservative meme parody website since 2014. Its pretty obscure. Its not like those big alt right. Its like a very specific blog from 2014 that really didnt get a lot of traction. Tell me a little bit more about the group behind the meme, who are they, what do they represent . Yes, its just some guy really. Its a guy in scottsdale who made a meme in 2014. Its been around, like, conservative, like, web forums. Not like young people. Im talking, like, people who follow the drudge report and fox news and stuff like that, its that sort of circle. So thats what youre seeing now. This is not a meme meant to, you know, ascribe any sort of direct malice. Its not a real great clue. But it does show you what part of the ecosystem that he drew this image from. Its certainly not funny. Ben, thank you. Joining me now to help understand any and all of this is the best weve got. Former new york city Police Commissioner and msnbc Law Enforcement and Counter Terrorist analyst commissioner bill bratton. Two more found this morning, one to de niro what do you make of this . Theres enough being initiated to create fear which is certainly has. Yes. The good news is the fbi has a number of these devices that they are going to be in a position to disassemble to determine their functionality. Were they ifr ever intended to actually function . If so, how . In terms of how they were supposed to be detonated . If not, that changes the focus of trying to cause bodily harm to effectively creating fear. So my sense is by hopefully the end of the day, with the expertise they have, the multiple devices they get with, significant step forward as to were these things ever capable of functioning . Also the design of them. The idea of where did the idea for the design come from, similar to what he was just describing. They have the ability to go back to who is putting out designs for this type of device, who has basically been subscribing to that site. The building back, and potential for a slipup. For example, what he just described. Thats only in one of them. Was that a slipup or something intentional to put that in there . So they have that capability with so many of these things out there to really advance the investigation of the case significantly. What does it tell you that none of them detonated . Do you believe that this person, he or she, was just trying to scare us and create chaos or they just didnt know how to get the job done . So often in these instances, the device is intended to go off when the package is opened. To the best of my knowledge from the information thats out there, they were contained in an envelope. If the envelope was opened they would trip a device. There was some discussion about timing device on it. Theyre being found across a span of several days. When was the timer set for, with no guarantee of where it would be at any given time. Two of them at cnn and george soros devices may not have been delivered by the post office but potentially cnn maybe a courier. George soros, someone dropping it in the box. That gives you potential ability to investigate because you start checking every camera within a certain radius to see. The buildup of these investigations, from my perspective, is so much to work with here at this time. Theyre working feverishly to try to get to the motive because the dissension its causing, here and other news stations, thats really ramped that throwing fuel on the fire. I want to pull that picture up again of that device, the one where we have the picture. You can see that get er done. This could be a slipup. You say theres so much to work with. Is that the case or with are we now going into needle in a haystack . Its george soros, Robert De Niro. Its almost as if the scope has gone wider. Other than, i think, the pattern is clear. One thing Law Enforcement will be looking at clearly is so many of these people have been the subject of attack by the president and others over the last several weeks. Listen, he has attacked a lot of people. Were suddenly going to look at the people that the president has attacked . The nypd within the last several days fanned out to Schumers Office to literally anybody who might have potentially been a possible target. Nypd, unfortunately, has that type of manpower. They can do that. Think of some of the people who have been so prominently attacked in recent weeks, that Law Enforcement will certainly be putting their offices on notice, be very mindful of anything that appears out of the ordinary, particularly when they get to the bottom of what was the motive here and, hopefully, who was the source of it. Mayor diblasio said this morning, this could continue for days or weeks but people should go about their daily lives and business and not be scared. We are a week away from halloween. People will be Walking Around saturday night in new york city with masks, people not identifying themselves, kids all over the place, drunk people saturday night. Should we be concerned . Naturally and what the mayor has been saying is what ive been saying throughout my career. Halloween is always a scary night. Think of the good old days when halloween was scary because of concerns of a razor blade in an apple. Theres always been that element. The real reality is this individual or individuals, what theyre trying to do is sew feafea fear. The way you deal with that is not let him or her create fear. The mayors remarks are the same remarks i made when i was in the business and even now in consulting. Im pretty sure youre always going to be in the business, commissioner. Isnt it true . Commissioner, thank you very much. To whoever this person is thats out there, you did some bad things. Doesnt mean youre a bad person. Please stop. Turn yourself in. Change your mind. You achieved your goal. Were scared. You created chaos. Its time to end this. Coming up, much more on the ten explosives. People that have been singled out for criticism against trmp. Well speak to andrew cuomo next. Laxative work . In bed . Try fleet liquid glycerin instead. Relief in minutes, not hours. Every time, on your time. Now 1. 00 off with sundays paper. Guaranteed relief or your money back. 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One of those critics now responding, john brennan saying he will not be silenced, blaping President Trump for what he c l calcal calcal calls inflammatory rhetoric. Asked whether he regrets any of his statements. The president