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And according to multiple people familiar with the matter, Michael Cohen has yet to speak with federal prosecutors involved in the inquiry. Nbc news has also confihat fixer is expected to split with his attorneys. It is unclear though if that means Michael Cohen is going to cooperate. We can report that Michael Cohens legal team is still ough the evidence seized in the raids on his homes and offices. Multiple Officials Say any conversation though about a plea deal as of right now is far too premature. So could all of this news simply be part of a new legal strategy . Could it be a smoke signal to his former boss, the president , who he might believe abandoned him at the height of his legal troubles . Could it be both . The big question were asking today if mics indicted, will he flip on donald trump . Gabe sherman is a special correspondent for vanity fair. Danny cevallos an msnbc legal analyst. Th natasha bertrand. A gabe, lets start with you. My reporting from a source close to cohen lines up with your reporting, that he is worried about being arrested on friday or potentially next week. Theres also some new reporting from our colleagues here at nbc that hes telling other friends different things, that, no, he is not worried about it. This is kind of been the way it has gone when reporting Michael Cohen news. There will initially be reports about how he is feeling from people who do know him well and people that reporters have built a relationship with andtrust. And then when that starts to break through into the new cycle, suddenly there is a v reversal, and suddenly, thno, i never said that. This has been sort of the cycle from the beginning since the me h office, hotel room and residence were raided. Michael cohen originally said he would take a bullet for donald trump. As weeks draked gged on and the president wasnt reaching out and helping him and it didnt seem like there was aay for him, he started to signal privatelends probably in the hopes it was getting out to the news media he was feeling abandoned, he didnt want to go to jail for 30 years and miss his wife and children. There was this double game going on. Now this morning as we learned, people close to Michael Cohen, one particular source spoke to him directly, said he worried about being indicted as early as friday, perhaps next week. He was telling people in recent days, as much as last week, that he thought there was a chance he could be arrested. I know that from my reporting. What hes signaling to others perhaps is some sort of disinformation campaign. Its possible. But what we do know is that he is under a credible amount of legal pressure and at times has signaled to people that he feels like the end could be coming legally for him. It is not just legal pressure though. We are being told that it is potentially financial pressure, as well. The New York Times has this, also. They report mr. Current legal team is expected to stay with him for the rest of the week as they struggle to complete laborious review of a trove of documents and data files seized of him by the authorities. He will seek new legal counsel, an individual familiar with the case said. The issue is primarily over payment of the legal bills of one of his lawyers, steven ryan, according to one person familiar with the discussions. Thats right out of the donald trump playbook. You stiff your lawyers. You wrack up bills and you dont pay. This is clearly a complicated gal team because of e is losing Financial Issues or the fact that they are not these are document review specialists. To my knowledge, they are not the people you would take to go to actual trial not the whitecollar criminal attorneys that would be suited to go up against the stny. It is entirely possible this is just what we call a rule one situation. The first rule for Defense Attorneys is to get paid. If attorneys are not getting paid, that may be an instance in which they can voluntarily withdraw. There are also other situations where ethically an attorney must thats if the ient wants to commit a crime. Im not saying thats happening here. If they want to commit a future crime. Or if the client simply wants to fire them because theres some irretrievable breakdown i communication. Maybe theyre disagreeing on strategy. But failure to pay your lawyers is a common reason for attorneys to withdraw, especially in white had coll collar cases like this. The federal government is taking of war of economic attrition on a suspect like Michael Cohen. In t beginning of the investigation, people like Michael Cohen often say i will never cooperate with the government. A year down the road, two years down the road, when their finances are depleted, they may sing a different tune, especially if theyre looking at some serious sentencing guidelines. Tom, why would cohen believe that he is about to be arrested . Weve talked about timing, looking at the manafort case and when manafort was indicted. Theres also beenome talk among those close to him that theres been some signal from the sdny to his lawyers. Does any of that make any sense to you . It does. It wouldnt surprise me if the prosecutors were signa issing a possible timeline for Michael Cohen. I would say this, that while it is very common to change your lawyers because of a fee dispute or because of a strategic opinion, i do think it is a bit of a coincidence that everything seems to be coming to a head right now, in thatt appears he mayotentially be on the verge of indictment and at this precise moment hes changing horses, bringing in a new team of lawyers. That could mean is heoing to take this i a different legal direction. Could mean he is lawyering up to fight this in trial or it could wants to bring in plea bargain specialists to try to bring in a good deal. Natasha, i was talking t still works for donald trump and i asked that person i p upset by this. The person was adamant, no, donald trump wont be upset by this. I said, hey, hold on. Donald trump has been upset about the cohen raid and whats happening with his fixer, his personal attorney, quite openly. Weve seen itwter. Wev him go off at a Cabinet Meeting in fro cameras. This person said specifically when it comes to the campaign and what the campaign has turned over, theres nothing that was nefarious or criminal or wrong with the interactions that campaign, at least from wha they have on their servers. How would, though, donald ump be upset or why would donald trump be upset with the other things that Michael Cohen could potentially talk to a prosecutor about . Well, this extends far beyond the campaign. Right . I mean Michael Cohen has been the president s essentially righthand man for the better part of a decade. So there is a ton he cou tell prosecutors about Donald Trumps financial history, about the business dealings that hes done that might oft to robert mueller. Whereas Michael Cohen has said in the past that he would take a bullet for the president , that he would rather jump off a bridge than turn against him. The president really has not seemed to return that sentiment. On twitter, he said thatel cowould not flip on him, that the media just wants to see it happen because it would be a big story. But then on the other hand, he said, t even if Michael Cohen did decide to cooperate with s, he would be lying anyway, essentially. And that is an indication that even if he were to come out and Start Talking to prosecutor that the ps essentially preempting that by saying that Michael Cohen would not be telling the truth. That is not exactly a vote of confidence in his former attorney. If i were Michael Cohen right now, i would be seriously thinking about my familys financial ,ially cause the taxiusiness that he owned roughly 12 million in debt. Hes put his home up collateral to the bank. So he really is running kind of on a shoestring right now. I would b thinking twice about racking up further legal bills to be loyal to a president who doesnt seem to be returning the favor. Michael a husband, a father of two kid and he has a lot thats on his plate r w so be more loyal to, himself and his family, or the president , if that comes to pass. We have to say if because obviously no indictment has been filed as of this moment. Gabe, just back to our original topic. Talk to me about how complicated it can be to report on the people surrounding the president , the president s world. Yeah. I mean clearly, a lot of the people who have worked with the president have taken studied him and figured out what works the media but often times there are you tell one person one thing, you tell the other person the other thing. You create chaos. Nald trump thrives in chaos and many of the people around him also thrive in that chaos. So it is entirely possible that Michael Cohen is telling a certain individual o thing, and hes telling another person who has connections to the news media another thing. And those things are not necessarily mutually exclusive. They are just two different versions that Michael Cohen wants out there. Then whenere talking about cohen and the Smoke Signals he could be sending to the president , why would those close to cohen, those who have spoke with cohen directly and those who know him ll, why would they believe that this idea that could cooperate being floated out there in the press and abc news report, why would t believe that that could be a smoke signal to the president . Well, clearly, what learned in talking toeople at the white house and around them is that the russia investigation they feel has been sort of contained. Trumps twitt attacks have sort of delegitimized t threat that mueller poses, at least ins but wild card tohem what Michael Cohen knows. Its been reported he tape recorded a lot of phone conversations. He was involved in the president s personal life and his professional life. And that to me is the wild card. So the cohen threat and smoke signal that he might flip and talk to prosecutors is designed, my sense, to get the president s attention. The other news we have today is Paul Manafort is about Paul Manafort excuse me, about robert mueller, i should say. Thsut manafort. But about mueller requesting 75 new blank subpoenas against Paul Manafort. Tom, can you explain why he would be asking for those . Yeah. This is something that typically happens when youre gearing up for a trial. And that you anticipate youre going to be calling a lot of witnesses. You may not know exactly which witnesses youre going to call, so typically what a prosecutor will do is exactly what mueller is doing here. You basically get a long stack of subpoenas that uently be filled out wh information of the people youre going to call. I think this is yet another indication that on the manafort front, mueller is plowing ahead. Manafort is one of the very few folks who has been caught up in all of this who has yet to strike a deal. So as of now, all systems appear geared for trial but well see how that ultimately plays out. Because it is a day that ends with why, we do have other news regard region investigations. Natasha, fill us in whats happening with the doj and this ig report thats about to come out. Right. So report is expected to be released tomorrow. This is after rly 18 months of an investigation by the dojs Inspector General in to the fbis conduct lea to the 2016 election, particularly james comey, the former fbi di b wit regard to the clinton email investigation, and, as well, whether or not any doj or fbi employees leaked information about Clinton Emails in the runup to the election. So thats really going to bes e comey for being insubordinate for bypassing authority, because of course he gave that Infamous Press conference closing Hillary Clintons email investigation without consent by the doj. And its going to be leveraged most likely by s al who are taking advantage of the fact that michael horowitz, the Inspector General, is seen as a pretty evenhanded, credible individual, and he is expected to, again, criticize jim comeys behavior and people like Rudy Giuliani have already begun to capitalize on that saying that this is really going toimize the president s attacks on the former fbi director. Natasha bertrand, danny cevall cevallos, gabe sherman and josh duprie. The fed has announced it will hike Interest Rates to a range of 1. 75 to 2 . Cnbcs sue herera, what does the average american going to be thinking about this . It will increase their Interest Rate that they pay on adjustable rate mortgages, on home equity loans, on credit cards, and on also automobile loans. As a matter of fact, the Home Building stocks are down today because it is going to make ive. Ing a mortgage more t a lot more expensive, but if youre one of those firsttime buyers and you are struggling to get into the home market, this may push you out of the market because it is going to increase mortgage rates. And the fed also indicated that they are going to continue to rae rates this year, probably two more times. So youre looking at a higher rate scenario basicallygh the end of the year. And thats what has some homeowners out there a little bit nervous. It has wall street a little bit nervous. The marketoved lower after the fed made its decision at 2 00 eastern time. Cnbcs sue herera, thank you very much. Next up, the message Republican Voters sent last night. Ge. N wit the prosecuto were putting ai into everything, and everything into the cld. Its all so. Smart. But how do you work with it . Ask thisr. Hes using satellit to help in. Thats smart for the food we eat. At this port, supply chains are becoming more transparent with blockchain. 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Also a candidate whos even brought back false birther allegations against president obama. Today President Trump celebrated the results of both races and over on capitol hill, republicans acknowledged trumps ability to sway his base. With all politics being local, if youre not on the same page as the president in 85 , 90 of your base is, you can see where that could cause a problem. Were here in primary season. Again, it is usually a good thing not to be at odds wts moie most effective leader in your party. Not to poke the bear, absolutely. Because it is all about the next election. Heidi pryzbyla, nbc new political reporter, what is it . Are gop voters more focused on punishing those who have spoken out against the president . Or is it something more than that . Its not clear that theyre actually being punished for speaking out against him, but those who are with him are rewarded, i think, in this case. Youre seeing this not just in these two races today, but then also in terms of martha row bbe alabama. It explains i think a lot of what you are seeing on capitol hill in terms of republicans who absolutely refuse, no matter what the principle conservative principle is thats being vial laid, most recently with the tariffs, of just saying nothing. If you dig into the polling data, you see why. What has happened since this president got elected, you have seen a 20pnt shi in terms of his favorability among republicans, and that is why so many of these republicans are raid to cross him. Looking at mark sanford, when he came out of his rac and gave his concession speech, he said, ive never seen ive never had a race like this. Ive had hes had scandal, we all know, in the past with his affair. But with this, he said, quote, its not about ideas. Its been to person. Jake, what do you think . Was the president s eet, that lastminute tweet saying sanford was not on his side essentially last night, how much did that or yesterday how much did that affect the outcom it is tough to know how much it affected the outcome since he tweeted at about 3 00 or 4 00 in the afternoon a couple hours before the polls were slated to close. Now republicans have been telling reporters all day that the polling that they have been getting back over the last couple days and weeks showed that sanford was in a vulnerable position for the first time, as you noted, in his career, hasne. I just wanto dispel one notion here. This is not going to appreciably change any sort of legislative dynamic on capitol hill. Right . Mark sanford is one vote in a republican conference of 235 votes. He has actually been incredibly loyal when it comes to votes and has voted for all of the president s priorities. This is about, two appear i cant get in the president s mind two appear this is about the prent not appreciating a member of congress of his own party dumping all over him consistently. And thats a fair thing to not appreciate. But to say that this is somebody who has been standing in the way of his agenda is n true. And well see that if another likely another republican will come up here and vote almost identical to how sanford voted. Sanford voted in line with the president 73 of the time. He supported the House Health Care bill in may 2017. He supported the tax bill in december 2017. Has an aratingm the nra. This tweet went out, mark sanford losing in South Carolina is pretty much Proof Positive that the gop is not really a conserve party that cares aboud government. It is now fully a cult of personality. That dove tails with the quote i gave about mark sanford himself making that observation. He is, if anything, traditional conservative whos been concerned about limited government and cutting back spending. I read that he once brought swine in his Congressional Office in order to make the point about pork barrel spending. Yet none of that mattered. At least it didnt outweigh other factors. And when his competitor who won, arrington, came out, she said, this is the party of trump. She was not distinguishing herself based on issues. As a matter of fact, she very much talked about the same issues of limited government and kind of the core conservative principles. But she talked about personality, about this being the party of trump. Corey stewart, jake, Republican Party happy about Corey Stewart getting the nomination for senate in virginia . My colleague Burgess Everett who covers the senate for politico spoke to a bunch of republicans this morning who are basically pretending like they dont even know who he is and saying that, yeah, virginias not really on our senate map. Now remember, as you kind of noted on the front end, this is somebody who has said paul neland who has run kind of quixotic campaigns against paul ryan in the past, somebody whos made antisemitic remarks, Corey Stewart said thats his hero. For the Republican Senatorial committee thats probably not a candidate theyll look to spend money on when they have opportunities across the country where they could be spending money much more efficiently. Speaking of those trumpy or trumpian candidates so far in the special elections that we have seen, don blankenship, roy moore and the like have not won. Guys, thank you very much. One of the few republicans in congress willing to criticize President Trump is retiring. Tennessee senator bob corker. Here is what he said earlier today about his own party. Were in a strange place. I mean its almost been a its becoming a cultish thing, isnt it. Its not a good place for any party to end up with a cultlike situation as it relates to a president that happens to be of matt gates is a member of the Freedom Caucus and he joins me now. Congressman, t very foing here. Good to be with you, katy. Is the gop a cult . The gop is not a cult. Were a party built on principles that right now are increasing Economic Opportunity for millions of americans. Over 3 million americans have gotten bonuses or raises. Weve got millions of jobs because being created in the private sector economy so were a party built on ideas and principles. Feels like were winning. Do you think that lawmakers in your party who dont agree with the prent are able to speak out and disagree with him without getting the wrath of the president , without getting the wrath of the voters . Well, this is tics. Nobody pitches underhand. If people oppose the agenda of any politician, theyre likely to receive some response from that person. Thats what thats how things work in a democracy. Let me ask you about not responding to the agenda, mark sanford voted in line with the president 73 of the time. He voted for of the big bills, supported the House Health Care bill. He supported the tax bill. Hes got an arating from the nra. Hes in line with the agenda. Yeah. I am a big mark sanford fan. I served with him on the budget committee. Why is the president saying that hes not helping with maga . I believe that the president and mark sanford have very different personalities and that a wor relationship that was not as productive as either likely would have hoped. Doesnt that make it sound like what bob corker is saying, that if you dont praise the president , if you spe your mind, then you are going to be punished for it . Isnt that a bit cultish sounding . Thats not been my experience. If youll recall, i was one of the lawmakers, along with mark sanford, who said that the president should release his tax returns. Thats an issue where i dis with the president. I agree with him on other things. I think the russia investigation is a witch hunt. I think that hes right on the economy, on National Security and foreign policy. But you can disagree with this president on a matter or two and not bear his wrath. I think that there was in this particular case with mr. Sanford, my dear friend, just a personality clash that wasnt very productive between the two men. So the president is for levying tariffs. Republican party has not traditiona for levying tariffs. Theyve been for free trade. The Republican Party has traditionally been for lowering the national debt. The tax bill raised the national debt. The Republican Party has not traditionally been in favor of propping up companies with government subsidies. Thats what president is proposing to do, or at least government help with the coal industry. The Republican Party has not been in favor of talking to dictators before, but the president went and he met with kim jongun. The Republican Party has been antagonistic to russia. The president is not antagonistic to russia. Is this the Republican Party . Or is it the Donald Trump Party . Ihink that your question unfairly poses those as binary issues. Republicans arent for exclusively for openborders. We want fair trade and thats been a part of the message from republicans for a generation. Nixon went to china and met with people who did not precisely hold our values or our interests. It is not aberrational that this pr would a time or two deviate from traditional its not a time or two. A lot of this stuff that he is in favor of, the Republican Party is not in favor of. Look at russia. Hes very friendly to russia. Hes been very tough on russia. Bob corker on the floor just appalled that the Republican Party cant push back onariffs with a bill because theyre afraid of upsetting the president. I think that senator corker is a little upset he got passed over forretary of state you think it is a personal issue for bob corker . I do. I also think that its incorrect to suggest all those issues there arent republicans who hold a variety of views. Were a big tent. We cannot act as though this is so sort of surprise. Donald trump during his campaign for president just ran through 16 other candidates like a hot knife through butter talking about the need to reorient our trade deals and our trade agreements. One of the underlying principles of the campaign was that we had negotiated poorly on trade on the global sge and that he was going to be a tougher negotiator. Seeinghe art of the deal play out in time. Im incredibly proud of this president on those issues. Dnt write the art of the deal. We should say. Talking about Corey Stewart, what do you think of him getting the nomination in virginia . I dont believe there are any serious republicans on capitol hill who believed that virginia was in play. I dont think tim kaines ever lost an election. I dont expect that to change. I think well focus our efforts in florida, in ohio, in north dakota where weve got better opportunities for pickups than virginia. Why do you think the Republican Voters in that state chose corey stt . Hes a man thats defended confederate monuments. He once called a selfprofessed prowhite candidate for congress his personal hero, even though he distanced himself from that. Hes been tut birth birtherism again. Why would repu choose him . Im not from virginia. Were incredibly proud of bill scott whos going to win in november. I think if we lose the house in november it will be a consequence of not running good campaigns. I think that you mentioned virginia. The real story in virginia is in some of the house races where you had really strong turnout in the republican primary compared to diminisd turnout on the democratic side when you look at where expectations were. I dont think theres going to be a blue wave in virginia and i think the republicans running there like barbara com stock and scott taylorill be essential to preserving our majority. Is there a place for moderates in the Republican Party . Youve had 26 republicans re in the house. Three in the senate. The republicans are doing pretty well this week on the the moderates are. People like Carlos Curbello is forging ahead with a moderate immigration plan. Im a supporter of the goo yreg ad time geg that to the floor. Theyre not having an easy time at all. They cant even get a debate on it without having to go around republican leadership. We should have a debate on immigration. It is one of the reasons why ive supported procedural matters that would allow us to bring all these issues to the floor so that we can have a robust debate. I hope that the rule of law will prevail. Here in the 115th congress we have not had major debate on substantive issues regarding Immigration Reform on the floor. I think that the moderates in our caucus have been successful as ripening that issue. I dont think next week will come to an end without us having those debates and taking those votes on the floor. It shows the moderate voices in our party still swing a pretty big stick when it comes to guiding the direction of the caucus. Tng about immigration, do you support separating families at the border . I support the rule of law and i dont think that we ought to have magnets that draw people across our borders illegally. I fear that some of the entitlements we give the illegal aliens in fact do that. I dont think it is humanitarian to give people the expectation that if they send unaccompanied minors or bring Young Children across the border thats somehow a better circumstance. I think that weve got to be tough on the border. Weve got to stop the crime thats crossing over the border. Where there is an opportunity to be compassionate wreeshd atate. A lot of people on the planet earth have compassionate stories. We cant take care of all of them. It is not a law. It is a policy of the Trump Administration toeparate families coming across the border, a lot of these families are seeking asylum. So far this administration has said thats the purpose of this, to be a deterrent, has not worked. Theres been an increase in border crossings. When i mean rule of law, i done mean this particular policy. Mean a country that preserves its borders for the sake of its own dignity and protection and for its own agency and sovereignty. U. S. mexico border is porous. I think that undermines the rule of law in this country, i think it hurts Public Safety and puts us in a bad fiscal position spending over 200 million a year so yes, separating families is something you do support. I think weve got to some more the rule of law im asking you, do you support separating families . No one loves the idea of a family being separated. But you cannot have policies that invite people across our borders illegally. Thats the greater harm in my view. Republican congressman matt gates of florida, congressman, thank you so much. Next, a migrant mothers plea for asylum. Gadi schwartz has her story right after the break. vo we came here for the friends. And we got to know the friends of our friends. And we found others just like us. And just like that we felt a little less alone. But then something happened. We had to deal with spam, fake news, and data misuse. Thats going to change. From n on, facebook will do more to keep you safe and protect your privacy. 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With me now, nbcs Gadi Schwartz whollowed the journey of one such family impacted these restrictions. Gadi, what do you have . Reporter well, katy, its not just one family. When you think about it, this is going to affect so many different families for years. Since 2014 really, weve been talking to immigrants who have been coming trying to come to the United States legally through the asylum process, and over and over again, the number one reason that weve heard from them is that they are escaping Gang Violence in central america. They tell us stories that are tremely brutal. Like a woman named maritza told ador. Story about why she left now she finds herse facing a system that is changing and so much uncertainty. Take a listen. Reporter in Detention Centers across the country, close to 550 immigrant child have been celebrated from their families according to a document obtained by nbc news. And now the rules about who can seek asylum in this country are changing. People dont want to be separated from their children, they should not bring them with them. Reporter attorney general Jeff Sessions overturning an Immigration Courts landmark ruling that recognized women fleeing Domestic Abuse as a group eligi for political asylum. Asylum was never meant to alleviate all problems. Reporter at a Detention Center in seattjaseattle, a dem congresswoman said these immigrant women behind these walls had theirhildren taken from them by u. S. Authorities. They literally never had a chance to say goodbye to their children. Some children are as young as6. Some younger. It was heartbreaking reporter the legal opinion saying the protective status may no longer apply to victims of violence and gangs. Could affect 100,000 pending cases of asylum. Maritza came with a group of Migrant Workers in a caravan. She just asked if people would put themselves in their shoes. Parents, mothers, all they want to do is with be their kids. And all kids want is to be with their family. Reporter maritza has been on the run for over a month to escape a gang in el satisfactorily tore that she says tortured and detcapitated her children. She says theyre not delinquents or inals. Theyre just looking for peace, tranquility and safety. Now maritza and three of her daughters have been released about two weeks ago. That w before the directive from attorney general Jeff Sessions. But one of her lawyerdaughters, lawyelara, who is 18 years old, is still being held in the Detention Center. She does not have a court date or release date. She does not know when shell see her mother again. Her mother fears if any of them are deported back to el salvador, theyll be killed. Gadi, stick with us for a second. Nbc news National Security and justice reporter, julia ainsley. Julia, help us nd the new asylum laws. Nobody fleeing Domestic Abuse. Nobody fleeing Gang Violence. That accounts for a solid portion of those who are coming over our southern border. Thats right, katy. Gadis absolutely right that this was a common claim that we started to hear in people fleeing mainly from honduras, guatemala and el salvador, came across a southern border saying that they were scared for their lives. That meant that they passed whats called a credible fear interview, then they could be heard in an Immigration Court to make that case to a judge. Now if you take that piece out, it means that you dont count women who are victims of Domestic Abuse, and that can also mean that they are vicms of Gang Violence, as well. A lot of cases, the two are ich interconnected. You could have someone who was fomeone in gang, theyve been threatened, beaten, and maybe also forced to hand their children over if they dont pay up. This is a lot of times they are interconnected. And it is very interconnected with the politics of the country. These are some countries that are not able to police these gangs. In a lot of cases the police and gangs are very tied together. So to try to break these things apart like the attorney general is doing is very complicated and it is a tough argument to make to say, we cant handle everyones problems because this is different, this is something thats happening inside the home or happening in a particular neighborhood. But really, its endemic o a caltem that is broken in these couns, and thats exactly who asylum laws are supposed to protect. How does this play in to the family separations . So obviously, a lot of these people, lik the woman interviewed in this piece, want to bring their children, they want to travel with their families and keep them together and they think tha theyll have a better life here. So very often youll see a woman traveling with children with the expectation theyll be kept together. Originally they were able to be kept in a facility. A lot of them in southern texas. And by a court ruling in the 90s, youre not able to keep children idetentiononger than 21 days. Which meant that the women would be released with their children, often given a court date well into the future when they could then come make that asylum claim. The way this administration is working around that is they are saying, fine, we can keep these women as long as we want if we separate them from the children. Yes, they are abiding by t cong because they wont keep a child in a detention facility for longer than 21 days, but theyre doing it by separating them. This is something i reported they were considering a year ago, katy. I remember Fact Checking that story like nothing else because i couldnt believe it was actually under consideration. And now it is a reality. Wow. Gadi, these families, if theyre denied asylum, what do they do . Well, i mean its their worst nightmare. You were just talking about the separation of those families. Interestingly enough, that separation also means a separation of cases in some instances. Like maritza. You saw her and her three children, they are one case. Her daughter is another case. Now when you take maritzas case into consideration, she is a woman who was basically told, give us your daughters and you can go free as payment. And so she took her daughters and she fled here to theted states to try to save them. But now that those cases have been split apart, this daughter that s saved, whats that process goe le for her daughter . We dont know how her credible fear interview has gone. We understand that obviously the credible fear interview with maritza went well enough that she was released. But her daughter is still in detention. So if you think about the splitting up of those cases and what that does to the children that may not be able to articulate exactly what happened, its something that is yet to be seen. That is ad gadi. Really good point. Separating those cases. 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With the North Koreans. With the North Koreans. You have triedo tackle this as other administrations and other diplomats have. The president now tweeting that its good, its fine, the threat is over. What say you . Well, so i sho first arify that i wasnt there as a negotiator. I was working for congress as a senior staffer trying to find out information on what was happening with the Nuclear Program and our negotiations in 2008 as well as the p. O. W. m. I. A. Issue which is another one thats not going to get resolved overnight and also requires verification because the North Koreans have been known to make up remains and precontained it is a dirty business. They were animal remains once. Go on. Talk about today. About the nukes. Its not going to happen over even under the best of circumstances, even if we had had the 100page plus document like with the iranians over years, we still would have required a long road with a lot of inspects to go in and ascertain exactly where the sites are, where the material is in the Nuclear Program, two ram. Its very complex, again, requires a lot of literal legwork. None of this is going to happen overnight. The ent is like swiss chee there are words missing, the details ant there, we have no idea on timelines, we dent know who secretary pos interlockture is going to be because in the document it doesnt spell that out. Just bob clear, we have been here before with a country like north korea n. 1992, a agreement to denuclearize was made as well and that agreement was not followed through on. Never went into effect because the North Koreans walked away. Thtern was the pattern that was set after that. You know, they would negotiate, they would get things from us. They always wanted action for action, which for the North Koreans meant give us aid, take us off the state sponsor of terrorism list. You know, do things for us to show your good will, make, your asian allies. Would respond. St, and then we yes, and then we will respond. We seem to have done this with the president saying we are not going to war exercises. He calls them war games. North korean terms. Yeah, thank you. On the korean peninsula, thats handing them i guess a message of good will. The president started off the right way because he said we are going to keep maximum pressure going. The problem is he interpreted maximum pressur it seems to include only economic sanctions. But the military presence and kper sighs is deterrence. Its telling North Koreans dont think about it. Dont make a move towards us or our allies, whether its nuclear or conventional. Thats an important part of the pressure. He shouldnt have let up. He never should have used the words war games. I mean they are exercises. He called them provocative which is the line you hear from the North Koreans, the russians, sometimes the chinese. They are not provocative. They are required to maintain our readiness and to make sure none of our enemies think twice about attacking us or our interests. Do you think on the whole it was a good idea for the president to meet with kim jongun . It wasnt a bad idea. Lets put it that way. Certainly, having diplomacy is much better than the far extreme alternative. I would have preferred that he had some more preparation before he went to the meeting meaning that the experts hammered out a more robust document. Im willinto give this a chance but we cant give it a chance forever because the North Koreans have a Nuclear Weapons program. If we dont do something about it now while we have some pressure on them we can forget about it in the future when the pressure will have abated. Evelyn park as. Evelyn, great dress today. I love that dress. 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The Member Associations of canada, mexico, and u. S. A. Have been selected by the Fifa Congress to host the 2026 fifa world cup. Did you catch that . Canada, mexico, and the u. S. Working to the to host the worlds biggest sporting event. Yes, well have to share the 80 games with our neighbors, but we will get the bulk, 60 games in all, just as President Trump would wan it. Lets not forget we are already in or on the cusp of an allout trade war with the very countries we will soon share the world cup with. Will it matter in eight years . Who knows. But we can say one thing for certain. One major player already currently in game will have already left the field by the time the 2026 world cup kicks off. Donald trump cant be president at looez as things stand right now. Im impressed. That is the first time any World Organization has seen these three kps countries which have been involved in trade deals for a long time coe host something. I love the world cup. It brings cntries that are otherwise ut feuding together. I dont think that was the goal of da, mexico, and the United States. Good afternoon, im ali very well she. Fresh off his victory lap over north korea and that summit, President Trumps singapore afterglow might be shortlived. The criminal investigaon ounding his long time lawyer Michael Cohen is back today. He was the lawyer who arranged that payment to Stormy Daniels and now there is an investigation into his businesses. A source close to cohen tells nbc news tha cohen is expecteto get a new lawyer. To add to that, a source tells vanity affair cohen is expecting an dime. What does