Sir . Thank you. So youve got that. And then weve seen trump ignoring advice to leave mueller alone. Trump also added controversial Joseph Digenova to the team, a frequent fox news guest and an avid conspiracy theorist. Digenova publicly insisted the president is being framed by the fbi and doj. So that begs the big question, is the president , and only the president , now running his own defense . This is the first major shakeup right now and it comes at a critical moment as these very sensitive negotiations are ongoing between the president s legal team and with the special counsel. Dowd had sold the president on a strategy of cooperation. They said the sooner, the faster you cooperate, the more likely you are to get cleared. They said it would be over by the end of last year. Obviously its not, obviously its intenseifying and the president is deeply frustrated by that. Hes bringing in people that instead might appear to be more aggressive. Lets bring in our team of reporters and analysts. Geoff bennett of the white house. Jonathan lemire, white house reporter, betsy woodruff, msnbc contributor, ken vogel is a political reporter for the new york times. And ben wittes, editor of chief of law fare. So much to get to. Ken, it was your paper that first reported dowds departure. Now trump saying he would indeed like to go before Robert Mueller. So what happens now and what do we know about dowds decision . Well, dowds decision is a reflection of two things, both personality that he never quite got on with the president and he was telling the president , pushing an approach that the president ended up souring on, this idea that the more forthcoming you are with muellers team and the more documents you produce and the more willing tower work with them, the quicker this thing will work itself out and the quicker the investigation will move on from looking at trump. Obviously that hasnt happened. That was a great frustration to trump so we see him pivoting potentially, looking at the types of folks who hes talking to and talking about possibly bringing into the legal team, to potentially a more confrontational approach that is less forthcoming with muellers team and more combative. Thats when you talk about folks like jay sekulow or Marc Kasowitz. These folks take more aggressive approach than what dowd was advocating. So jonathan, i want to lay out interesting dates weve been looking at that might gave us clue about where we are today. March 17th was there a big parade in town for st. Patricks day. He goes after mueller on twitter saying his investigation was based on fraudulent activities, he called it a witchhunt. The the next day he tweets more criticism. The next day, march 19th, he hired controversial attorney Joseph Digenova. On the 20th, the popost repor that trumps legal team tries for a second time to hire ted olsen. So i guess the question was is it possible dowd was already planning to leave . When you look at the Washington Post report in the last couple days, hes been thinking about it, been considering it, and you see sort of the lineup of things that happened, did everything just come to a head . Theres no question the president has taken a much more aggressive tone in recent days. In fact, those tweets that mention mueller by name are the first time he mentioned biden by name on twitter. This is an uptick on twitter. I think its connected to a bigger point about how the president is governing right now. He is feeling sort of newly emboldened and confident. Hes making decisions more with his gut, his instincts and trusting himself. We saw it with the tariffs decision. So his gut is, nobody can tell my story the way i can, let me go in front of the special counsel. And hes showing a willingness to ignore his advisers. He wants to get out there. He wants to tell his story. Members of his legal team are saying thats not a great idea, we should broker an arrangement. Maybe john dowd was fed up and maybe trump was fed up to . The probe didnt wrap up as quickly as the president had been promised and we talked about they had very different ideas about strategy. Whats the likelihood that the president just didnt want him around anymore . Thats a good question. I think its no coincidence that it was just a few days after Joseph Digenova joined trumps legal team that dowd decided to exit. Digenova and dowd both are known for having healthy egos and its likely the two men were tasked with working together to represent the president , that there could have been substantial friction there. Digenovas joining of the time. When we talk about the president doing an interview with special counsel mueller, back in january is when trump told reporters that he would like to sit down with mueller and talk to him. Shortly after the president made that comment, i spoke with dowd. What he told me was he was the one who would decided whether or not trump would sit down with mueller. His framing is something people found slightly perplexing. You present the facts to your client. What does all this suggest to you about how this is going to play out Going Forward . And what now looks increasingly like the president doesnt want to walk around this . He wants to go in there and tell his story all by himself. The task of representing donald trump is an impossible one because he wants to do things his way, and that means simultaneously walking into the lions den and telling his story, and having a highly confrontational relationship with the office of special counsel all at the same time. He wants his lawyers to snap their fingers and make this investigation go away. He wants to demand that the investigation wrap up. None of these things are things that he kind of gets to decide. And the job normally what you want in this situation is for a client like this to have armslength legal advice, dispassionate legal advice, and legal advice that is not conditioned by the emotional demands of the president. And so john dowd was unable to thread that needle. And the task of delivering to the president , the emotional validation that he wants in public statements is not consistent with the task of protecting his legal interests over the long term. The other thing that struck me, geoff bennett, i want to ask you about this because the president is someone who is no stranger to legal turmoil. This is somebody who himself was sued as a business person. Hes used to dealing with lawyers. Lets remember at trump u he had to settle and pay a lot of money, that he feels, again, in his gut, hes the guy who understa understands how to operate. What are you hearing from inside the white house about the strategy Going Forward . The president views himself largely as being in the drivers seat here. As jonathan and ken pointed out. The departure of john dowd is one signal the president is going to become more aggressive in his approach to the special counsel investigators. John dowd had been taking the lead in those discussions about the terms of an interview between the president and the special counsel investigators. Now that work falls largely to Joseph Digenova, the fox news regular who espouses conspiracy theories about how the president is victim to an fbi plot to take him down. Completely unproven. Dont forget Marc Kasowitz is still in the president s orbit. Hes a tough talker who was the lead lawyer up until july when he stepped away, but we understand hes had the president s ear since then. And he can be bringing folks to the team as well. And all of this is shaking out as the Trump Legal Team is trying to really put limits on the scope of this interview between the president and Robert Mueller. Now you have ted olsen that has said know. You wonder, jonathan, what heavy hitter with real experience is likely to come on board . If this was a boxing match, you would say this isnt a fair fight. On one side you have this chaos within the Trump Legal Team. You have people for whom this is not their area of expertise what Robert Mueller is looking at, while his team has been described as a legal dream team, an allstar team, that you cannot deny these are people with very long experience in exactly the kinds of issues theyre looking into. Thats right. A number of top washington law firms turn down opportunities to be involved with this. Yet this is a tough job. Its obviously an incredibly highprofile case, that would seem to be tractive for a lawyer, but this is an extremely challenging client. A president who does not like to be told no, a president who trusts his own gut, a president who discards advice on a whim. Muellers team is very professional a team of allstars and they would seem to have the upper hand. Especially if the president himself is perhaps charting more of the legal strategy, that might be the ideal situation for his legal future. We were all stunned by this, but on the other hand maybe not so stunned given everything weve seen developing over the course of the last several weeks. Geoff bennett, jonathan lemire, betsy woodruff, ben vogel, thanks to all of you. More questions this hour about that phone call between trump and putin. Well reveal what the president reportedly said off the cuff thats tong rattle advisers inside the west wing. How do you win at business . Stay at la quinta. Where were changing with stylish makeovers. Then at your next meeting, set your seat height to its maximum level. Bravo, tall meeting man. Start winning today. Book now at lq. Com start winning today. So, howell. Going . We had a vacation early in our marriage that kinda put us in a hole. Go someplace exotic . Yeah, bermuda. A hospital in bermuda. A hospital in bermuda. What . What happened . I got a little overconfident on a moped. Even with insurance, we had to dip into our 401 k so it set us back a little bit. Sometimes you dont have a choice. But it doesnt mean you cant get back on track. Great. Yeah, great. Id like to go back to bermuda. I hear its nice. Yeah, id like to see it. No judgment. Just guidance. Td ameritrade. On this busy afternoon weaver expecting President Trump to speak at the Generation Next summit in washington a little bit later this hour. We expect the president to be heading over to the Eisenhower Executive Office building just across the driveway from the white house. To new fallout from trumps call to moscow. The president didnt just defy his senior advisers when he congratulated Vladimir Putin on his election victory. He also shocked them with an off the cuff invitation suggesting the two men meet soon. This is just the latest in string of damaging leaks that reveal how the president either didnt to listen his advisers who prepped him for that controversial call or maybe he never read the briefing notes that said in capital letters do not congratulate. The white house furious at the disclosures has said their, quote, a fireable offense. Our big question on this, why has special counsel mueller been able to conduct his investigation leak free, while comparison the white house has been a virtual sieve. David jolly is a former congressman from florida. And the ceo of the messina group. I was a reporter in the obama white house, i wish there had been more leaks. But are staffs controllable . What do you make of the leaking we see constantly . Its incredible. When i was deputy chief of staff, i try to figure out who was leaking. All white houses are all about the leadership at the top. We were known as a Nodrama Obama white house because president obama didnt want drama. Instead of you have a president who last week said he likes a little chaos, he likes staff fighting and thats what hes getting. I think its unbelievable. I do agree with what the white house said today, someone ought to be fired for inviting Vladimir Putin and congratulating him. Sadly, its the president. We know thats not going to happen, so at least not because of this. But david, according to the associated press, trump says he thinks the deep state is behind the leaks. Whoever did it, does the buck stop at the top with the president and his chief of staff . Of course it does. Its a reflection, the leak, on how inexperienced this white house is, and the people the president has chosen to surround himself, how inexperience they are. I dont buy for the deep state. Thats food for the conservative right to defend this president. But the reality is, the big picture here is this is one more moment that feeds the suspicion that many people across the country as to why the president continues approximate to be more critical of fundamental Democratic Institutions in his own country than authoritarianism. We dont know the answer to that. I just want to let people know this live picture were looking at is the president indeed walking over to the Generation Next event. When he has remarks at the top of the panel discussion, well bring those to you. Meantime, this white house suffered all these breaches in terms of sensitive information, but theyve never threatened action, saying its a fireable offense. If theyre serious about it, how hard is it to find out where a leak like that came from. There cant be that many people that were privilege vee to this information . Theres no chance they can fire anyone. Can they find out who did it . Its very unlikely given today and at these apps. The bigger question is, why is he inviting Vladimir Putin . I was in the room when obama called putin after the last election. There was no congratulations. He immediately went to, we dont think this is a real election, we have real questions about this, heres our concerns, we should figure some of these things out. Heres a theory i heard yet. Kathleen parker is a conservative leading columnist with the Washington Post. Shared with me yesterday what she thought about the president s conversation with putin, why he congratulated him and why he invited him to meet. Take a listen. What ive noted in what weve all talked about through the months of this first year in office is that every time President Trump does something kind of wild and unexpected and oh, my gosh, what was he thinking, how could he do this, its usually because hes trying to distract the public from specifically the media from the more important thing, the bigger problem for him. In this case, jim, she says it was all the headlines about the sex scandals. What do you make of that theory . I think its crazy. Usually people who have real vulnerability, and trumps biggest vulnerability said is hes too close to russia. So usually a politician would look really tough on russia. They would do loots lots of things that seem tough. Instead trump is cowed by this guy and is doing everything he can to suck up to him. So this makes it worse. Weve been spending four days on this issue, which is what he doesnt want to us talk about. This this weekend when stormy does her show, well talk about that. How do we know that wasnt ant attempt to alter the news cycle . Weve seen i am do it before. He wakes up every morning thinking how can he control the news cycle. Were going to have that conversation about Stormy Daniels when it comes. One of the anxieties we have is his ability to act as chief diplomatic leader. I have to interrupt you. Heres president now. Lets take a listen. Its a very complex pile of word, but honestly, its very simple. T weve lost so many factories, probably 60,000 factories. We lost anywhere from 6 to 7 million jobs in a relatively short period of time. Coming back turnover last year we are bringing jobs back. As of about two weeks ago, 153 million jobs, its the highest number of jobs weve ever had in our country. So it is coming back. But were losing 375 billion with china. It could be approximate 504 bully demandi billion. Were doing something thats the start of making trade with china more fair. Were so far down and our president s, our past president s should have never allowed this to happen. This has been many, many years, sort of like the middle east, how did that happen . And other things, how did all these things happen . And north korea, how did it get so bad . This should have been done years ago, charlie. This should have been done by somebody before they were in the position that theyre in right now. But we got stuck with a lot of buttes, but well fix them. [ applause ] if a democrat president accomplished one tenth of what youve done, they would say its unbelievable. What youve done for the American People to change the trajectory is remarkable. Lets talk about the tax reform. The democrats call it crumbs. 1,000 is not crumbs to the young people in this room. Its also the biggest young person, the Millennial Tax cut. Talk about the amazing economic benefits that were seeing thanks to the tax cut package that you championed and you got through congress . The individual mandate was knocked out by itself. That would be a big bill. This is for obamacare where you have the privilege of paying a lot of money so that you dont have to buy bad health care, okay . And we got it knocked out. We have that approved, one of the great Energy Reservoirs in the world. Every president was trying to get it approved and we got it approved. And then, of course, we have the tremendous tax cuts for people. I guess if you think about it, millennials starting out, tremendous. You have a tremendous advantage now over what you had. Youre going to pay less faxtax. Thats part of the beauty. Were seeing the numbers. We were at about 1. 2 gdp. Weve now hit 3 and another 3 and a 3. 2 . Well see what this next quarter is. That could be a good quarter. Our businesses are flourishing. Jobs are now people are going to have choice of jobs. Before if they got one job, they would say there even if they didnt like it. Now theyre looking at five, six, seven jobs and making a choice. So that really works out. But young people coming out of college, coming out of Even High School who are trying a big push for vocational schools. I remember id be in school, in the lower schools. And id be doing a test, and it would be somebody on my right who was not too good. This was not a great student. This was not going to be einstein academically, okay . And yet that person could fix an engine or a motor so he was incredible, blindfolded. Thats what he liked. Thats probably, i dont know, we lost track, probably what he ended up doing. But he had a great ability at that, far greater than me or other people. Were going to ton listen to the president. A friendly audience of Generation Nexters to talk about that i want to bring in ali velshi. The dow is down over 400 now, but its been going up and down on concerns about a trade war. You heard the president. He sort of sloughed it off and said we lost 60,000 factories, we have a huge trade deficit with china, he clearly thinks this is the answer. Give us your perspective on what wall street is thinking with this big drop. The first thing ill do is the fact check i do every time the president talks about this. Its a 375 billion deficit, like when you give your weight and you just give another false weight thats unrepresented to it. It just is not true. Hes right, we have been trading with china since 1980 in earnest, and since 1994 a lot. For a lot of americans who wonder why inflation has been under control for the last 20 years or so, its because the things we used to make in america are now bought in china. We buy so much stuff from china. And the deal we made is we wanted cheap goods and we felt that improved your standard of living. And what we traded off, we didnt think about it at the time as well as we should have, were jobs. The president isnt wrong about the fact its a bipartisan accepted fact that china is not a fair trader on a lot of levels. It would be better for him to use the accurate numbers and to target what needs to be targeted. In the presentation they did talk about intellectual property. Thats one of the biggest things were facing in china right now. Technology is stolen so that chinese companies, mostly governed owned or with a relationship to Government Employees makes the same stuff for cheaper. There is a real problem with china. Im not sure this is exactly the right way to be dealing with this. You impose sanctions and then you negotiate, im not sure it will work. We need china for a lot of things why n. And his message to his supporters suspect hes making good on his promises. Take a listen. We now begin a Great National conversation about economic renewal for america. Its a conversation about how to make America Great again for everyone, especially, and i say especially, for those who have the very least. These are the forgotten men and women of our country. And they have been forgotten. People who work hard but dont have a voice. Im running to be their voice. Under a trump presidency, the American Worker will finally have a president who will protect them and fight for them. David jolly, is this going to protect the American Worker . Is this going to protect the average american . Weve heard a lot from agriculture. Donald trump is pivoting from 25 years of economic and trade policy and its a highrisk endeavor. Look what hes doing. Hes tried to juice the stock market and stock portfolios of those who hold assets. He has pursued tax cuts and deregulation. And then for the bluecollar workers hes suggesting to bring back highpaying u. S. Domestic jobs. The problem is that comes with immense debt, and it comes with inflation. Thats where the highrisk, high reward is here. What he could have done instead of imposing trade sanctions, look at areas where we have a surplus. Hes going after the sanctions and this could light something that, im not sure hes ready for the fire. Ali, what are we likely to see from china and what the impact be on the average american . There will be two particular impacts. We listed the things and its going to take two weeks of discussion to outline the things were going to impose tariffs on, but it will be shoes and clothing and things like that. You will see costs going up in american. Do we want those factory jobs back in america where we pay people higher wages . If we do, things will become more expensive. When donald trump talks about airconditioners being made in indiana, its going to cost more than china airconditioners. Fox con promised to open a factory in pennsylvania in 2013, and its not there. There are things grown in america, soy beans, live hogs, which are shipped to china for pork. So there will be an impact. There are people who export things, maybe we should emphasize exporting. One of the things you have to be careful of is you dont get counterveiling tariffs on things you sell to other countries. China said it will do that already. So you see things we export being toufr export and things we import getting more expensive. Hopefully theyll be jobs to brag about out of this. Ali velshi, well see you next hour. David jolly, thanks for sticking around. Mark zuckerberg updated his status last night to im sorry. Nearly a week after allegationsed surface that 50 million users information was stolen. This was a major breach of trust. And im really sorry that this happened. And Going Forward, when we identify apps that are similarly doing sketchy things, were going to make sure we tell people that too. Thats something looking back on this that i regret we didnt do at the time and i think we got that wrong and were committed to getting that right Going Forward. Hes certainly saying hes sorry, but still to be determined is what exactlys going to do about all this. When pressed about whether or not he would go before congress, zuckerberg didnt exactly commit. To get congress all the information they need to do their extremely important job. And we just want to make sure we send whoever is best informed of doing that. For his part, senator Richard Blumenthal who sits on the Senate JudiciaryCommittee Said zuckerberg is, quote, uneequivalentically the right person to testify. Whats the feeling out there . Is damage control working . Is there still a lot of concern . Reporter ive just been texting with an employee at facebook here at headquarters and feeling that this experience relay to me is zuckerberg needs to own it a little bit more, and it needs to be more steps out loud. What we do know are we have specifics. If theres companies stealing your information, theyre going to limit your information, emails, profile pictures, and your name as well. So theyre going to limit it down to those three elements. And they also say they will ban apps that are bad actors, if you will. There are quite a few specific steps, but the feeling here and Investor Confidence overall is not exactly unshakable at this point. Were also looking at two class action lawsuits, one from investors and one from users that theres been standard in this case. We spoke with Cambridge Analytica this afternoon. Let me play that for you. Well, lets see it. Prove it. If youre welcome to regulation, lets see what you propose. We regulate electric and water standards, but we dont regulate the thing thats most important, which is our privacy and data. They havent done anything. What else can i say than a failure . This is a catastrophic failure. He talks about zuckerbergs claim that hes open to regulation. I guess the question becomes what form might those regulations on facebook and, frankly, other Tech Companies take . Its a really big question. Now that question is officially being asked by the house energy and commerce committee. They are planning to issue an official invitation to Mark Zuckerberg to testify before congress. As you mentioned before, hes open to doing it if hes the right person. House energy and commerce saying we do want to hear from you. Besides commerce the federal trade commission asking pretty major questions to zuckerberg and facebook, and that that add up to hefty fines and penalties as those questions get answered, confess. All the president s lawyers, the special counsels russia investigation just one of the legal troubles facing this president. And things could go from bad to worse this weekend. Stormy daniels finally telling her story in prime time. Remarks from outgoing secretary of state Rex Tillerson who was fired a week ago and gave a final goodbye ste tight end state department a short time ago. Id like to ask that each of you undertake to ensure one act of kindness each day towards another person. This can be a very meanspirited town. But you dont have to choose to participate in that. [ applause ] begins to change which may cause trouble with recall. Learning from him is great. When i can keep up anncr thankfully, prevagen helps your brain and improves memory. Dads got all the answers. 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But the special counsels investigation is far from the president s only legal concern and the loss of dowd far from his only legal concern. Three women have filed sex scandal lawsuits. Two of them are ready to break their silence with affairs years ago, affairs that the legal team deny. Former playboy play mate Karen Mcdougal has her first interview tonight. Stormy daniels will appear on 60 minutes this sunday. And adding to the legal drama, nbc news has learned that daniels attorney is demanding the organization preserve all records related to daniels and plans to subpoena them. He sent similar rth ben wittes is back would you say. Look, daniels attorney first said she had been twlentd legal harm. Now he seems to be incident mating cohen might have had something to do with it. Hes been building interest towards the sunday interview. If hes going to make these accusations, is it time to come up with proof . Its inappropriate for an attorney to make these allegations. If its true, its horrific, could you give another attorney acting on behalf of the president to threaten this woman, i cant think of a worse tra transgression, one by the bar. But i think at this point he needs to be very careful because threatening violence is a serious offense. Its a crime. So to kind of puff putt that out there and pull it back in is a bit odd. But i will say this. He seems to be beating trump at his own game. Its unfortunate, but it almost seems like the latest episode of a reality show, and thats how basically this administration has been conducting itself from day one. There is a legal side to this, ben. What do you make of daniels attorney telling the Trump Organization and banks to preserve records, why is he doing that . Heres what this is about. It is impossible when you are the president of the United States to keep quiet a scandalous interactions youve had with people in the past. It simply cant be done. So the game is to raise the cost to the president incrementally, turning the heat up in order to force him to release these people from the confidentially agreements and the ndas, and the ratcheting it up increment by increment, and these document preservation orders are an example of that. The ndas, they havent been released from them. Im sure both of these interviews are going to get a lot of eyeballs, but are we going to learn anything new . We just might. What i find most sbrooiurprisin donald trump said he had nothing to do with Stormy Daniels, he didnt have an affair with her. I find it interesting that his team would be fighting so hard to keep someone from talking about something that never happened, particularly this huge lawsuit they filed in california and moved it to federal court. To be continued. Ben, thank you for sticking around. Hope and fury, a side of the Civil Rights Movement you havent seen. Its the focus of a document airing on nbc and msnbc. Joy reed will join me with a preview next. One. Manatees in novelty ts . Surprising. Whats come at me bro . Its something you say to a friend. Whats not surprising . How much money matt saved by switching to geico. Fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. Cohigher ad higher parents arent perfect, but then they make us Kraft Mac Cheese and everythings good again. When huge numbers of protesters descend on washington this weekend, its part of the legacy of dr. Martin luther king. A new series premiers this weekend. Hope and fury, mlk, the moved and the media examines how the media helped to shine a light on inequality in america. One of those stories that energize the Civil Rights Movement involved the murder of emma till. We do want to warn you here, this excerpt contains images, many may find disturbing. Imagey find disturbing. In 1955, mississippi was ground zero for racial terror, the american south, when 14yearold emmette till arrived from chicago to visit his great uncle mos right in a town call money. He was a big city kid and wasnt familiar with the dark art and social taboos of the jim crow south. Black people and white people interacted only on a transactional basis. But they were largely two different worlds. You stick to your own kind, well stick to our own kind. One day he and his cousins go into town and they go to a Little Grocery store, bryants grocery store. And something happens inside. According to Carolyn Bryant, the wife of the proprietier, the woman who ran the store, em ill till alone in the store with her comes on to her and whistles at her. Four days later bryants guntoting husband and brotherinlaw went looking for the boy at his uncles house. And mos right begs him to leave him alone and please dont take him and they take him and he never returned. Hes thrown into the tala hatchy river with a 70 pound cotton gin. A boy discovered a body beaten beyond recognition. The body is too barely damaged to see who he was but he happened to have on a ring with his in chicago, emit tills griefstricken mother waited at the railroad station for the casket container handgun sons body to arrive. She is confronted with a sealed wooden casket nailed shut by the sheriff. It was her that demanded that that box be opened so that she could see her child. She kind of staggers in and sees this body and she cant believe her beautiful child is this lump of flesh that is lying in the casket. Then she said to herself, the country is going to have to confront this. Im not going to suffer in this b by myself. If this is what you are going to do to black boys, youre going to look at it. Joining me now, joy reid host of a. M. Joy. And if you go to the smithsonian africanamerican museum, there is a there is a line to see the casket of emit till. Why does this story still resonate so much . I think first of all because he was a child. This was the first of what you might call the kind of black lives matter stories. Really in modern american history. Because there had been these stories of lynchings, the naacp had been doubtfully covering them and documenting them in great detail. In verbal detail and newspapers would print the aftermath and sometimes even the preview of the lynching on the front page of newspapers all over the country so the country knew that lynching happened and it was a phenomenon in the south. But we never had seen a closeup look of the aftermath and the body and expanded the understanding of lynching beyond what were mostly portrayed of hangings of guilty men and even though there was no trial or evidence, people were presumed to be some guilty man. And this was the lynching of a child not just beaten, not just shot, he was bludgeoned, his eyes were gouged out and he was tortured and then his body was thrown into the tala hatchy river by grown men. And because he was only 14 and his mother insisted on showing the two photos, the living child and this lump of flesh given of her child and it was shocking. At first it was only shown in the black press. It didnt make its way to the wider press for a while. But it shocked the world once it got out of the confines of jet magazine. Two things, one, how extraordinary that in that moment of in tense grieve she found the strength not only to do what she did but to understand how important it would be to the and then she could not have 100 none back then what we know now from a book published last yeerp, the first interview with the accuser of emit till recanting the story that was so widely sold. And Carolyn Bryant and her family, she knew what she had done she allowed this child to be dragged out of her uncles home and taken out and tortures and bludgeoned and she lied about it in years and only in recent years she recanted. Her husband and Family Member that did this killing dragged about doing it and admitted it in life magazine not long after being acquitted by an all white jury. There was knowledge in the black community there was very rarely justice for those who lynched black men and in this case a child. And the shock of murdering a child stays with the black community. The choice for the date on march of washington was the anniversary date of edge of emit till. That is why the march was held on that date. His name became repz resonate as Trayvon Martin was now. He was the black lives matter choice. And Family Members of emit tills family marched with them in florida. And theyve been on a on msnbc and i should obviously it is a very moving and people should go to the africanamerican museum. We only have 30 seconds left. But people who have seen this already who have seen the screening of it say, we learned things about dr. Martin luther king even though we think we know everything, what did you learn . It is interesting, because watching dr. King is always fascinating for me. Ive read so much about him. And you feel like you know so much. But i love to be reminded how young he is. He is 26 years old when he starts off in 1955 with the montgomery bus boy and younger than jayz when he died and these were kids. John lewis was in his early 20s when he delivers the speech at the march on washington. These were very young people. Including children who were willing to face death just for the basic rights of human beings in this country. I think it is important that people remind ourselves of this history. This documentary does a great job of connecting the history and people will be moved and educated by it. It is important to watch. And you are one of the important voices in this so we thank you. Thanks to joy reid. And catch her every saturday and sunday at 10 00 a. M. Eastern on a. M. Joy. And a reminder to watch hope and fury saturday evening on nbc. Check your local listings. One more thing before we go. We want to show you the cover of the Time Magazine with one word enough. As we speak with students and those across the country they are taking the same message to capitol hill because they are having the march on saturday where they will demand lawmakers act on gun control. Kerry sanders was along with a bus load of students that just got to d. C. Kerry, what did they tell you . Reporter well, they got up early and went to the airport and got a plane and landed in bal and made their way over here to the museum of africanamerican history. You can see many of the students here, theyve arrived in buses, theyre from parkland and this is one of the students. What grade are you . Im a senior. Reporter and why are you here . What do you hope happens . I hope that our little steps will turn into Something Big and then there are more people understanding why were doing this. Reporter what grade are you . Im in 12th grade. You will hope in the next president ial circle and what do you hope to happen because youth vote doesnt mean much in this country traditionally. This is something weve never seen before and this is opening everyones eyes to register and vote and get out there and do something about it. Last question, how do you define success. I think success is just everyone understanding and for the most part being on the same level and understanding why were doing this and why this is so important to us. Thank you very much. You and your classmates will take a little bit of tour of washington. The real reason theyve come here is for a sad reason and that is the carnage that happened at their school, Marjory Stoneman douglas, 17 People Killed by one gunman who now stands accused of 17 counts of murder. It does appear there will be a trial in that case. But the kids here hoping as one student told me on the bus ride and the airplane ride, i dont want to hear a fire alarm at my school and run out wondering, is there really a fire or is there somebody who has pulled the fire alarm waiting for kids to run out to get shot and mowed down. This is part of their life that quite frankly i think a different generation never really even considered. It is a very different environment for kids of this age. Chris. And they are taking action. Nbcs kerry sanders. Thank you. That is going to wrap things hour. And im in for katy tur and ali velshi is here. And it has been a busy hour. Thanks very much. Ill pick it up from here. Im ali velshi. Another chaotic day in washington. President trump is at the center of it all right now. Take a look at the dow. Continuing to tumble for fears of a possible trade war after donald trump announced a plan to impose sweeping new tariffs on 60 billion worth of chinese goods. The dow is up 2 but well watch it in the final hour of trades. Chinese goods are in focus and that comes despite opposition from dozens of companies. The president insists this is what the voters wanted. Were doing things for this country that should have been done for many, many years. Weve had this abuse by many other countries and groups of countries that were put together in o