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biography that has his father saying things about donald rumsfeld and dick cheney and how they interacted with his brother, george w. bush. >> my brother's a big boy. his administration was shaped by his thinking, his reaction to the attacks from 9/11. i think my dad, like a lot of people, loved george, wanted to try to create a different narrative, just because that's natural to do, right? george would think this was under my watch, i was commander in chief, i was the leader and i accept personal responsibility for what happened, both the good and the bad, and i think that's the right way to look at it. as it relates to dick cheney, he served my brother well as vice president, and he served my dad extraordinarily well as secretary of defense. the context changes. we've got to get beyond, i think, the feeling that, you know, somehow the 1991 is the same as 2001. >> right. >> which is the same as 2017. it isn't. the world has changed. it always changes. and the context changes as it relates to foreign policy and everything else. so looking forward, i think there are lessons to be learned from both those presidencies and the presidencies of ronald regan and bill clinton. >> were you in the kitchen cabinet for your brother when he was president? i mean, was he calling you sometimes to ask, hey, donald rumsfeld is telling me this, dick cheney is telling me that? what do you think? >> no. no. i wasn't. i had total confidence in my brother's abilities. i might have been in his political kitchen cabinet. i would -- i would -- i would call him from time to time about florida politics. certainly as related to the re-election, i was fully engaged in all of that and in the 2,000 election. not from a policy point of view. >> do you feel you've gained some insight as far as yourself potentially being commander in chief because of what your brother went through? >> yeah. i'm a student of history. i have enough humility to understand i don't have all of the answers. one of the joys of aspiring to serve is it gives you a chance to listen and to learn. george and the team around him and how they dealt with foreign policy, there's a lot to learn. there's a lot to learn from as it relates to even the clinton administration, my dad's administration. i try to get as much knowledge learning from people. i've had a front row seat watching history unfold. it's been a real blessing to me. >> does your last name make it harder for you to get out of the way? would you feel like you're letting your family down? >> there's no on the couch meditating my naval. we don't -- that's not a bush trait. it's a blessing. i walk into this diner, three people said, hey, i met your dad. i love your mother. your brother did the right thing. so it's an entree as a candidate to be able to get people a sense of who i am, and some people, there was a couple there that i'm marking them down as neutral. they didn't seem to warm up to the fact that there was another bush showing up. so there's more good than bad for sure. >> reporter: that's really further than i've heard him go before having spent quite a bit of time with him on the trail about his own view of his brother's presidency and his father and how it relates to how he's thinking about this race. it's really been a challenge for him to deal with it. he's struggled to figure out how to interact with that legacy, but i think you heard there some of his thoughts about how it can both help him and how, you know, this relates to his relationship with his brother and the role that he may or may not have played in his brother's administration at this time. i do think, kate, it was noteworthy that he took the time to defend dick cheney specifically in the context of this biography from meachem. george h.w. bush having some tough words for dick cheney and donald rumsfeld in this new biography. jeb bush did not go out of his way to defend donald rumsfeld except to say my brother's a big boy and he knew what he was doing. >> one of the things is that bush 41 said that jeb bush didn't want dan quayle to be on the '92 ticket. did you ask him about that? >> reporter: i did ask him about that. jeb bush claims that he had an aide who told him about it on the bus ride here this morning but that he has no recollection of saying that dan quayle shouldn't have been on that 1992 ticket. he says, in fact, he's a big fan of dan quayle's. >> all right. casey hunt up in new hampshire for us. thanks so much. also making political headlines today, former president george h.w. bush rarely talks about the administrations that have followed, but as we've said, surfacing today, tough criticism at key figures in his son's administration. and now some of them are firing back this afternoon. msnbc's steve kornacki has more on that. steve? >> kate, that's absolutely right. george h.w. bush never talks about his predecessors as a general rule, but especially not his son's george w.'s history. what did george bush sr. make of all of this? now we're starting to find out. there's a new book coming out. its aides called "destiny and power" written by john meachem. we've been talking about it this hour. it's due out next week. the excerpts are leaking out. he does not have harsh words for his own son, surprisingly, defends him. does take issue with some of the rhetoric george w. bush took as president. especially the access of evil speech. bush senior saying you go back to the axis of evil and that might be historically proved to not be benefitting anything. that's the harshest he gets. he's saying his own son is responsible for the people in the administration and that's where things start to get interesting. george h.w. bush having much harder words as casey said for dick cheney, the vice president under george w. bush. cheney the secretary of defense under george bush senior and senior saying of his old defense secretary, he just became very hard lined, very different from the dick cheney i knew and worked with. just iron axe knuckling under the guys using force to get our way in the middle east. that is what he said about dick cheney. dick cheney then responded with this. >> we smile about it. we laugh about it. the same with my daughter, liz, but my family was not conspiring to somehow turn me into a tougher, more hard-nosed individual. i got there all by myself. >> reporter: cheney is reading meachem's book in which the 41st president calls the vice president iron ass. cheney sees the term more of a compliment. >> i took it as a mark of pride. >> as casey hunt was saying, this book, george bush senior, very harsh words for donald rumsfeld. jeb bush did not want to defend what george h.w. bush said about rumsfeld. he called him an arrogant fellow. i think he served the president badly. the history between george bush sr. and donald rumsfeld goes back 40 years ago when they were relatively young men climbing republican party ranks during the nixon and ford years. they were rivals then. bush sr. did not like donald rumsfeld. rumsfeld did not like bush sr. when george w. bush became president, one of the things he did not want getting anywhere near the administration was donald rumsfeld yet donald rumsfeld because of his connections to dick cheney became the defense secretary. donald rumsfeld was asked about the criticism from george bush sr. this is what rumsfeld had to say. he said bush 41, listen to this, bush 41 is getting up in years and misjudges bush 43 who i found made his own decisions. he says there are hundreds of memos on his website that represent advice the department of defense gave to the president. also coming to the defense of george bush sr., again donald rumsfeld on andrea mitchell's show was john mccain. listen to what he said. >> that's very regrettable to say something like that. one thing about bush 41 is time passes, we appreciate him more and more, not only for -- as president of the united states but being such a wonderful, decent man. 19-year-old that was shot down in world war -- just -- just a lovely, lovely man, and to say that, of course, is frankly awe th awe then at this cates the comments made about donald rumsfeld. >> all of this comes as jeb bush is wagging a difficult presidential campaign trying to separate himself from the controversies around his family name. from that standpoint this squabbling that's braeaking out about the w years couldn't come at a worse time for jeb bush. >> this comes out later this month. >> these are just the ebs serpts. >> steve kornacki, thank you so much. today donald trump launched his first ads of the campaign with a $300,000 radio buy in the early states of iowa, new hampshire, south carolina. he also targeted marco rubio's personal finances this morning leading to a sharp rebuke from the florida senator. check it out. >> for years i've heard about marco and his credit cards and i'll be honest with you, i think that he's got a problem there. he had to put money back. they found things and maybe he made amends, maybe he didn't. >> i find curious that donald trump, the only person in this race that's filed for bankruptcy not once but four times is talking about finances. >> for more on the trump campaign i'm joined now by nbc's katie tur. good to see you again. >> you, too. >> let's talk about these radio ads. let's take a listen to one of them and then we'll talk about the buy. >> i'll secure our borders and, yes, we will have a wall. you can't have a country without borders. and i'll make sure that the second amendment and our religious lib berlt tis are protected obamacare is a total disaster. it will be repealed and replaced with something much better. if the people of iowa vote for me, you'll never be disappointed. i don't disappoint people. i produce. together we're going to make america great again. i'm donald trump. candidate for president. and i approve this message. >> who's he going after here with these ads? >> he's going after voters in iowa, new hampshire, evangelicals, talking about creating jobs and the hawks in south carolina. he talks a lot about strong military. another ad voiced by a female. >> yeah, very soothing. >> very soothing voice. the words she's saying are anything but soothing in some respects. she's saying that donald trump will cut the head off of isis. >> which is something we keep hearing him say on the trail. to hear the female narrative say it is a little bit jarring. it's interesting. two different approaches. first you have donald trump speaking and then you have a female voice speaking. what is most interesting though is that these ads are pretty conventional for donald trump. these are not out of the box for him. >> he's not screaming at the electorate. >> no, he's not screaming. they're not wild and they're not attacking personally his opponent. they're talking about what he wants to do, his ideas, his solutions and they are relatively calm and they're not -- they're not going to offend anybody in a lot of ways. donald trump though, in the past, has been bigger than life. the campaign is telling me that these ads that they were eventually going to come out with were going to be nontraditional, they were going to be different. they were going to be like you would never see. they were going to mirror their candidate. this is not the case. it makes you feel is he feeling the heat and turning conventional so that he gets more of the iowa voters who are being wouoed by ben carson. is this donald trump getting worried or wising up and starting to act like a mature candidate? you want an outsider but an outsider who plays by insider rules. >> or maybe it's radio and they're saving the best stuff for television. >> that could happen. we have some good numbers for him from a new fox poll. he's back on top with 26%, donald trump. but on two questions he's way ahead. 37% say he's most likely to beat hillary clinton. 42% say trump is most qualified to handle the economy, and the next best is cruz at 10%. so he's way out in front on that. >> and these are polls of the trump campaign that they're really excited about. it's interesting. our nbc news poll did not have him beating -- i think it was nbc news poll. there are so many. >> so many. there are a lot that say he cannot necessarily beat hillary clinton and ben carson is a better candidate. >> head-to-head match-up. >> what we have seen across the board is when people are asked about the economy, who would be best to lead this country to a better economy, create more jobs, et cetera, donald trump does really well with that. that's why i think you saw him focus so much on that in his attacks on his opponents right now talking about how his opponents can't be good job creators, they're not going to negotiate the deals that need to be negotiated. they won't be able to go up against putin, china, iran. this is where donald trump shines and this is where donald trump is going to try and maintain the focus. >> and despite a little protest last night, he is going to be on snl, "saturday night live." >> he's going to be on snl. we heard things just a little bit today. today, a couple hours. >> we'll watch out for him. katie tur, thanks so much. sanders, rubio, fiorina all filed papers to get on the primary ballot in new hampshire. coming up, what bernie sanders said today about his weakness with african-american voters. plus, isis claims it placed a bomb aboard the metro jet that crashed in egypt but has yet to show any evidence to back up that claim. what investigators are now looking at. and are we safe? u.s. investigators say they've found repeated security failures at u.s. air ports puts tsa screening back under scrutiny. excellent looking below the surface, researching a hunch... and making a decision you are type e*. time for a change of menu. research and invest from any website. with e*trade's browser trading. e*trade. opportunity is everywhere. we heard you got a job as a developer!!!!! 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are saying a bomb likely downed the plane and the white house press secretary saying just this afternoon this. >> at this point the united states has not made our own determination about the cause of the incident, however, we can't rule anything out, including the possibility of terrorist involvement. >> isis has made their third claim of responsibility for the crash but hasn't yet produced any evidence to prove they did it. we have the story covered from all angles. let's start in london with nbc's keir simmons who's at number 10 downing street where hours ago british prime minister david cameron met with prime minister cici. >> reporter: what i've been hearing is that the british holiday vacationers were coming back from sharm el sheikh will not be allowed to bring their hold luggage with them. they will only be allowed to bring hand luggage on those flights back. thousands of those vacationers returning back to the u.k. now the obvious next question to that official was, well, does that point to where you think there was a weakness on the flight? the official would not answer that question, but you have to ask the question, if the british think that even now it is not sensible for passengers to fly back with their hold luggage, then that raises the alert about how worried they are about security at sharm elshake airport, in particular that screening of hold luggage. >> you're talking about the checked luggage, yeah, kier? sorry. >> reporter: that's right. >> you're using the british term, the checked luggage that goes under the plane? >> reporter: correct. exactly. the checked luggage. the luggage that people check into a flight, don't carry with them. you'll only be allowed to bring their carry on luggage with them on the flight. at the same time, the british making clear that this was a bomb, this is what the british prime minister had to say a little earlier today. >> look, we cannot be certain that the russian airliner was brought down by a terrorist bonl, but it looks increasingly likely that that was the case. i act on the intelligence. >> reporter: at the same time now we've seen the diplomatic tectonic plates rubbing together. let me list for you the different things that have been said. the chairman of the senate intelligence committee saying that he thinks the british have gone out on a limb saying just because one anonymous source gives you a piece of intelligence, it doesn't mean you've nailed out what happened here. meanwhile, the british prime minister speaking to the russian president, president putin, and agreeing with him apparently according to the readout that both countries have a shared interest in stopping terrorism, and at the same time as you mentioned, hosting president cici, the president of egypt who came out and said that egypt understands why the british have made these moves. kate, while this is going on the russian foreign minister and egyptian foreign minister they're questioning whether they have jumped to conclusions when the investigation isn't over. >> thanks so much. i want to turn to nbc's tom costello in washington, d.c. he covers aviation for us. what's been the impact here? >> reporter: so far there is none. there are no u.s. carriers that fly into or out of the sinai. there are some that fly into and out of cairo, but not sharm elshake. as we mentioned yesterday, this mandates that if any u.s. carrier does fly into or out of the sinai or for that matter over the sinai, they must notify the faa. we did hear today from the white house suggesting that they are evaluating the security protocols and it's possible that they might make some changes as it relates to passengers coming from certain regions of the world. in other words, i think you're looking at the middle east into the united states. in other words, highly unlikely that anything in the united states would change at u.s. air ports, highly unlikely. highly unlikely anything would change from european or asian airports, but it is possible that we might see some changes in terms of enhanced security procedures for passengers and planes coming from the middle east. but, again, nothing has been decided. nothing has been announced if there is anything. i think we would hear it this afternoon or tomorrow but that strictly is coming off of what the white house suggested earlier today. >> tom, you just heard keir simmons reporting based on sources from number 10 downing street that those british folks who are in egypt now need to come home won't be able to check their bags. >> yeah. >> they'll only be carrying carry on luggage. what does that say to you as someone who covers airport security so closely? >> well, i think clearly the concern here and the speculation is, and i underscore speculation, is that there may have been an inside job here. if it's a bomb, and yet another caveat, if it's a bomb, that might have been placed in the luggage hold of the plane or might it have been spirited on or secreted on inside, for example, food containers or beverage containers of some sort. and i think that's why you're seeing the british here take these extraordinary steps. they've got a real problem. they have thousands of british tourists stuck in sharm el sheikh which by the way to the britts and european is like mosolan to us. a lot of britts go to sharm el sheikh for the warm and the nice warm waters. they're stuck. to get them back they want to take every possible procedure to ensure they're safe. they believe the most prudent step is to ensure that they don't check baggage where you are relying on a third party to get the bags on the plane. i think that may be some indication of what the british intelligence believes might have happened to this plane. >> all right. >> notice all the caveats, might have, could have, you know, but that's the game we're playing right now as it relates to this investigation. >> absolutely. tom costello, thanks so much. want to take a closer look now at some photos of the wreckage to see clues that might or might not be there. joining me now, cal perry. a new part of our team at msnbc. he's going to be tracking the stories that people are talking about online. greg fyfe, former senior crash investigators, nbc news safety analyst. good to see both of you. cal, start with you. you've been looking online. you've been pouring through all sorts of photos and tracking what people are talking about. >> a bit of time line. the russian government says no evidence that there was a bomb on the plane. russian bloggers found what they say is evidence. we'll throw up these photos and show you what they're talking about. they're showing pop marks. bloggers are claiming this is evidence that some kind of shrapnel from inside the aircraft was thrown outside the aircraft. evidence they say was a bomb. one quote from a blogger, we may suppose these are holes from the destructive part of the advice. these are bloggers in russia. they're planting a seed online to see if it will grow into something. they're doing it, i think, possibly in response to the russian government to say the evidence just isn't there. >> right. they're not necessarily aviation experts who are posting these photos, but we thought it was worth noting, greg, that these are out there. people are passing them around on social media. as you look at these photos, greg, what do you see? >> well, there is evidence that there is some sort of penetration from inside the aircraft or inside that fuselage to the outside. >> right. >> that doesn't necessarily mean that it came from an explosive device. we saw similar evidence from the center fuel tank blew up and caused some shrapnel to penetrate various parts of the aircraft. you have to take this with an abundance of caution, if you will. while it is curious evidence there is a lot of other evidence that it may be due to an in flight explosion. >> the photos have red circles around maybe a piece of shrapnel coming. that would be coming from the inside out as opposed to going into the aircraft. >> you're looking at the exterior side of the fuselage itself. so in the previous photo you saw the window belt. that is the -- you can see the windows along the lower part of that, and it looks like that that would be a bottom portion of the fuselage. so it has originated inside the inside skin and penetrated to the exterior part of the skin. >> that makes me -- as a layperson that makes me think maybe there was an explosion, but would there have been many, many more holes if it were a bomb? >> you would expect that. you know, when you look at what happened in the boston marathon and other airplanes that have had explosive devices, you're going to be looking for concentration patterns. you're going to, of course, be looking at the passengers that were on the airplane. there's early information that some of the passengers had shrapnel embedded in them. whether that's been validated or not but, again, investigators want to look and see is that in the concentrated area or spread out over the entire airplane? that really changes the focus. >> and you've been talking about the residue and the need to test that residue. the methodology on this is really important. if you set out to find evidence that this was a bomb, you're going to find the photo that you need to put it out on line. >> right. >> to plant that seed. >> especially if you're not on the ground. you're cherry picking a photo. >> exactly. was there explosive residue? we know there's some shrapnel. i think that's going to be the key. >> keep an eye on it for us. cal perry, greg fyfe. >> straight ahead, a new twist. an illinois sheriff's department official tells nbc news the police officer who carried out what authorities called a carefully staged suicide also tried to put out a hit on a local leader. and the world's most powerful people. why forbes says president obama is not topping the list. it takes a lot of work... to run this business. 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fearful in all of these messages that the village administrator was going to reshape, reform the village government and that this would threaten and perhaps expose what investigators say was his criminal activity, embezzling, skimming, looting money, whatever you want to call it, from an account of a police explorer's program. youth program that he ran here in fox lake. in the e-mail -- in the text messages that they gave us yesterday there was one reference to -- that seemed joking. he's messaging with someone named individual 2 and individual 2 says, hopefully she decides she, referring to the village administrator, tdecides to get a couple of drinks in her and she gets a dui. she does but not around here and no one knows where. trust me, i've thought through many scenarios from planting things to the volvo bog, the volvo bog meaning the volvo state nature reserve here in fox lake, a very watery nature reserve. in addition, as you say, that our local station wmaq is reporting that the -- his widow, melanie, and his eldest son d.j. are a focus of the investigation. now the attorney had yesterday put out a statement saying that the family had cooperated with the task force investigation. now the task force investigation was looking into glen know wits' death. they are telling wmaq that they're involved in the investigation into the embezzlement, the money being taken from the fund, both -- and i should say, rather, that efforts to reach the attorney on that specific point have been -- have not been successful, but these e-mails to individual 1 and 2 are full of details about moving money around from these accounts. here's one message september june 25th, 2015. you are borrowing from that other account, he tells individual 2. when you get back you'll have to start dumping money into that account or you will be visiting me in jail. and wmaq has also been told that melody and d.j. are individuals 1 and 2. kate? >> wow. john yang, it is starting to sound like a movie script out there. thank you so much. >> exactly. now a follow-up to a breaking story we covered at this time yesterday. that gunman who fired shots at police during a standoff in san diego is now in custody. 33-year-old titus colbert held police at bay from a rooftop apartment building for more than five hours on wednesday. that forced officials at san diego international airport to temporarily stop all flights from landing. officers were responding to a domestic violence call initially. no one was hurt. colbert was expected to be booked on charges of attempted murder. still to come today, how could a balloon help people lose weight? a new product halfway between diet pills and surgery, but the fda has yet to weigh in. after the break, bernie sanders says he's the party's best bet for beating the parties. how you doing? hey! how are you? where are we watching the game? you'll see. i think my boys have a shot this year. yeah, especially with this new offense we're running... i mean, our 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let's go to war. i voted against it. hillary clinton voted the other way on that. >> joining me now, the co-host of npr's morning edition. steve i ngnsky. bernie sanders poll numbers slipping a little bit. did you sense that in his tone? >> yeah, a little more aggressive. there's no money quote here, no devastating line. maybe senator sanders didn't want to go too far. he attacked on issue after issue, drew contrast after contrast with secretary clinton suggesting she had been late on vital issues. she had been unwilling to take a stance on popular issues when he did. talking about campaign financing. he has refused to create a super pac taking lots of money from millionaires where she has super pacs supporting her. that seems a little abstract. if you talk with a democratic pollster like stan greenberg who i was talking to today, he will argue many of the emerging democratic groups care about that stuff. sanders in a gentlemanly way, you could say, is hitting hard. >> you asked him about hillary clinton's advantage among african-american voters. i want to lis zwroen that piece of tape. >> if the elections were held today just among the african-american vote, we would lose, but i think we have a real path to winning the support of a lot of folks in the after amitriptyline commuumulativommo african-american community. i am not well known. that is simply the truth. we have to do a lot better job in discussing my record which in the united states congress is one of the strongest records of any member in terms of civil rights. >> pretty stark admission, steve, when it comes to the african-american vote. does he still see a path to the nomination? >> i don't think he had any choice but to make that admission. he's behind among african-americans by scores of points. one of my colleagues was recently in south carolina interviewing african-american voters, dozens of them, only found one who was for bernie sanders. it's not that they're necessarily against him, but they have been supporting secretary clinton and supporting president clinton before that. so sanders has a lot of work to do as he acknowledges introducing himself. that's a huge advantage for clinton. it's hard to see him winning south carolina without goatin ga lot of the vote. >> there's been a lot of back and forth between sanders campaign and clinton's campaign over the e-mail issue. he seemed to say something to the wall street journal that people are taking as him bringing up the e-mail issue again even though he dismissed it. did you have a chance to ask him about the e-mail issue at all? >> i didn't ask him about that issue, although he did talk about comparing himself with hillary clinton at far greater length than i have seen him do before. it was more than a dozen minutes. it was more than 1/3 of the interview was digging into that question of how he would compare himself to her. it is interesting that he's talking about the e-mails. his statement to the wall street journal on that is not necessarily in contradiction with what he said in that first debate. he said he was tired of talking about it in the first debate. he said in the wall street journal interview there are still questions that need to be discussed. he's walking a fine line here, kate. i think that sanders knows he needs to draw a contrast with clinton. it's his only chance to win. maybe in the back of his head is a realization that if he strikes too hard he's creating a republican campaign commercial against hillary clinton. >> steve inskeep, thank you. the second part of steve's interview airs with senator sanders airs on npr's morning edition. >> it's always great to talk with you, kate. >> you, too. vladimir putin has topped "forbes" most powerful people list for the third year in a row despite international sanctions and a deepening recession, his numbers have soared to 89% according to "forbes." they cite his bombing campaign as a sign of global influence. angela merkel nabs the runner up 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joinings now from new hampshire, msnbc's kasie hunt who you saw talking to jeb bush there. he says he's kind of fired up. did you get that? >> reporter: kate, i would say he has been pretty fired up past couple of days in new hampshire. he had made -- you get the sense he's decided he's going to buckle down and try to win this thing. i have been with him in new hampshire several times in the past and i saw him in a barn event, for example, with senator scott brown a couple of nights ago, and he was much more forcible and aggressive than he's been at other times. taking questions from the press, had reporters on the bus. i think they are trying to turn a corner and reboot the campaign. all of the news that's come out today about this new biography with his father, george h.w. bush, making comments about bush advisers to 43, george w. bush, has diverted him a bit. he did open up to me some about his family and some of the revelations in that book one specifically pertains to him, take a listen. >> i don't remember that. if n. fact, i'm a huge fan to this day. i consider him a friend and i don't -- i don't recall that being true at all. you didn't have any other ideas who might be a better vice president for your dad. >> i don't recall. it's a long time ago. if my dad said it's true, geez, i guess it's probably -- since he's about as perfect as i can imagine -- >> he is the greatest man alive as you say. >> that puts me in deep conflict here but i don't remember that. >> reporter: that was jeb bush talking about the fact that it's been reported he wanted dan quayle off the ticket in 1992 and urged his father to do that. kate? >> let me go to a bit of audio we have from a conference call yesterday, kasie. you heard him say he called on donors to chill out. let's play that. i want to get back to you. >> i'll head back home, do a little preparation on the debate. i promise you i'll do better. all of the nervous neelys on the call, chill out, we'll do better, i promise you. this is gonna be a fun campaign. >> how is he doing with big donors? what do you hear from the campaign, kasie? >> reporter: well, there's certainly frustration privately many big donors have turned to marco rubio, particularly paul singer, major new york investor in recent weeks, there have been stories lately about how marco rubio, even donald trump, are courting sheldon adelson, major las vegas casino magnate. i think they're having trouble with that. how far, privately most of the people who had already committed to jeb bush have stuck with them. we haven't seen too many high profile conversions as of yet. and as you heard, bush on that call, he is trying to reassure them. the real challenge for the campaign because they were so built around this enormous cash advantage that bush had, they started out trying to do the shock and awe if you will, overwhelming force, push everyone else out of the race and it didn't work, that leaves them reliant on this group of donors and the 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for more on the carson campaign, joined by msnbc.com senior editor, beth phooey. great to have you here. let's start where he left off. he was being questioned about his prowess with policy issues. that seems to be something that people bring up a lot, the lack of kind of thorough policy initiatives and plans. >> yeah, they sure do bring it up but never seems to be a problem for him. he's pressed repeatedly in debates, by reporters, of coursing on specifics on policy. his advisers said he'll put out a tax plan in 30 days, weighed in on privatizing medicare and medicaid, he dialled that back. few specifics in anything he talks about. his supports are don't seem to care. they like him for a host of other reasons no that's he's a policy wonk. >> he say he'll have the plans but not yet. on medicare, a plan soon. >> when? it's getting kind of late. >> he is the front-runner in a lot of polls. he's getting blowback about stories that he tells in his book, that he tells on the campaign trial, cnn spoke to former classmates of ben carson's and they don't seem to remember some of the same things that he remembers and he was asked about that. i want to play the tape of him being asked about that today. >> one of the ones where i threw a rock, broke someone's glasses, that occurred when i was maybe about 7 or 8. the stabbing, attempted stabbing incident, occurred when i was 13 or 14. >> were those classmates? were they friends? were they neighbors? our investigation could not find these people? >> well, why would you be able to find them? what makes you think you would be able to find them unless i tell you who they are? if they come forward on their own because of your story, that's fine. but i'm not going to expose them. >> he's coming under scrutiny, again, as a front-runner, and he seems to be saying, back off. >> yeah, i actually think that this investigation could cause him more problems than the fact he doesn't have specifics on policy. one of the reasons he's popular with republican voter is his popularity among christian conservatives. his narrative, grew up in the child of poverty, violent temper, tried to hit his mother on the head with a hammer, attempted to stab a classmate, that is fundamental to his appeal, he did those things, he was a sinner, angry person, found god, grace, redemption. that's a moving story line for voters. and if it turns out there are evidence that perhaps none of this really happened, this could cut into his appeal with his core base of support. >> he released a radio ad today that's a wrap. i want to give viewers a listen to that. ♪ ben carson 2016 go and support ben carson ♪ ♪ for the next president and be awesome♪ america became a great nation early on, not because it was flooded with politicians but because it was flooded with people who understood the value of personal responsibility, hard work, creativity, innovation. >> a unique ad. who is it aimed at? >> hear his calm voice against the rap beat. aim at african-americans a tough haul for him, even as a black candidate. african-americans overwhelmingly vote for democrats but he's running ads in states that have primaries 0 on march 1st, like georgia, alabama, arkansas, states that have a large black population, hoping to vote republican. he's looking ahead of, you know, the first ones, iowa, new hampshire, and he's looking for the long game. >> all right. beth fouhy, thank for being withus. >> chris christie campaigned in new hampshire where a recent poll shows him rising to 8% in state, where a video of him talking to about drug addiction went viral. a phenomenon he addressed today. >> i had absolute fly idea but i think it tells you how important an issue this is and how much families across this country are really gravely concerned. >> for more on the christie campaign, joined by nbc's hallie jackson. nice to see you. so you had a chance to sit down and talk with chris christie, i think, right, a little bit ago? >> reporter: yeah, 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foliage, get people here, i'll debate them here. there's 90-plus days to go to new hampshiring we're moving numbers in new hampshire and we're going to keep working hard. >> reporter: i don't know about the podium in front hofrt fall foil an. i think everyone's heading to milwaukee next week. i will say, i asked him what point do you realize, look at numbers and say i don't have the juice to make it to new hampshire he says it's going to happen after voters vote. he wants to see how iowa is, new hampshire. national polls are tough to move, these are small sample sizes. chris christie sounds like he's in it at least through new hampshire. >> it is interesting, maybe the drug issue he's been talking about so much now maybe might help him in the polls a bit. >> do you know what's striking too, kate? we are in new hampshire all the time and in all of the town halls this issue comes from voters. this is not somethicandidates a making a flat form. they want to know about it. ground zero, really, a lot of folks say for the heroin epidemic. you're seeing more candidates talking about personal stories on the campaign trail. kasie hunt talking to jeb bush about this, carly fiorina talk about it at the debate. so this is something that we're hearing much more personal stories about and hopefully that will help delete some of the stigma that folks feel. one woman didn't want to talk about her family member, what that person's name was, what that relationship was to her because she feels ashamed and that's part of the problem. >> i spent some time up there this summer. i had a young woman say to me she knows, off the top of her head, 20 other women like her addicted to heroin. this is not a small issue in that state. hallie jackson, thanks so much. a new round of polling in south carolina is giving hillary clinton an added boost april new poll shows bernie sanders trailing hillary clinton by 56 points, 71% to 15% in the paul meadow state. african-american voters make up half 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>> reporter: president of egypt and the prime minister of the uk emerged from that meeting, saying nice things to each other, about each other, as world leaders tend to do but there must have been friction in the meeting. president saying he fully understands why the british took the decision to cancel the flights to the tourist resort of char m sharm shake and the read outfrom that call saying the two countries agreed they have a shared interest in tackling terrorism. kate, at the same time, i spoke to one kremlin official who told me that they believe that it is far too early to draw conclusions of the british are moving too quickly. he says that they haven't even decoded the information from the flight recorders yet and it will take months, he suggests, before they come to a clear conclusion from their investigations. of course, all things in intelligence are smoke and mirrors. but perhaps tonight, kate, this afternoon, we have a little more insight from what the british are saying about the way they'll bring back the thousands of passenger, they are saying those passengers will not be allowed checked in luggage, they will only be allowed to take carry-on luggage, perhaps, and it is a caution, it's only a perhaps, that gives uss insight into wha the british are worried about. worried about the screening of the checked-in luggage and worried there may have been a bomb planted if there was a bomb at all. >> on both of these fronts in terms of the investigation what you're hearing from there, but also in terms of all of those thousands of people trying to get back home. >> reporter: yeah. we understand from egyptian officials that the investigation is ongoing high-ranking egyptian officials including the minister of civil aviation downplay conclusions that have come out from western officials suggesting it was a bomb that brought down the plane, saying evidence remains inconclusive so far. what we do know that is taking place on the ground is that investigation continues. obviously the flight data recorder has been recovered the cockpit voice recorder appears to be damaged, may require officials to take it out of the country, to some facilities in europe to be examined forensically. on site investigation that continues at the site of the plane crash. we know that egyptian security officials are investigating and looking at personnel at the airport who may have had access to the plane at any point during its time on the ground here in egyptian. the investigation includes looking at which individuals, whether ground crews, catering personnel or baggage handlers could have had access to that plane. the investigation continues to widen as u.s. and british officials continue to look for intelligence intercepts that could suggest what some have concluded it was a bomb that brought down this plane. >> thanks to you both. for a closer look at the isis claims of responsibility, what this could mean globally, joined by lara jakes, deputy manager editor for news for foreign policy magazine. isis has made three separate claims of responsibility for the crash, with no evidence to show that they've done this, but claimed it. how much weight do those claims hold? >> well, analysts are saying that you can't discount them out of hand. but what's really important here is that none of the statements have said how this has been done or if isis did it or if al qaeda in the arabian peninsula did it or another terror group did it and it's very unusual. when you propaganda statements taking claim for attacks like these you have some evidence that says, it was, you know, suicide bomber or we were able to deceive the infidel one way or the other and you don't have that here. and that's seen as very suspicious. >> this is part of the world, the sinai peninsula, isis is not the only player in town, right? there are other group whose potentially if it was god forbid a bomb, could have been involved. >> that's absolutely right. raises the point that something that the united states and indeed the rest of the world has been grappling with for some time, how big is the spread of isis throughout the world? as recently as a few months ago the obama administration did not want to see other affiliates around the world, such as in the sinai peninsula, such as libya, they did not consider these groups part of core isis or daish, a group contained to iraq and syria. now we're seeing outgrowths, groups pledging allegiance to the leader of isis and this is something the administration and counter isis coalition is going to have to deal with. >> we've seen isis focus on territorial advancesing taking over territory, not high-profile attacks. this were at hand of isis this plane going down, would that represent a shift? 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vimmage administrator. the village administrator, throughout the text messages, it comes out as the biggest threat to gliniewicz, the threat to what officials say is his criminal activity embezzling money from a police fund for police youth program called the explorers. he is constantly talking about what she's doing, how that might expose what he's doing, and in one of them he does have sort i've veiled threat, he talks about talking to individual two, he says, i thought through many scenarios from planting things to the volo bog, being a watery state nature preserve here in fox lake. now the sheriff's department spokesman also says that cocaine, packets of cocaine, were found in gliniewicz's desk after his death, but they don't think that that is necessarily what he was talking about planting on the village administrator. they think that could have been evidence from a previous case. meanwhile, we are also learning, through our affiliate wmaq here in chicago, that gliniewicz's wife and son, eldest son, are now part of the investigation into the embezzlement activity uncovered into the investigation of his death. part of the e-mails that or the text messages that they recovered all sorts of talk about moving money around, including one on june 25th. he says to individual two, when you get back, you'll have start dumping money into that account or you'll be visiting me in jail. this story just keeps getting more and more bizarre. >> john yang, thanks so much. follow up to breaking story we covered yesterday, the gunman who fired shots at police during a stand-off in san diego is in custody. 33-year-old held police at bay if a rooftop apartment building for more than five hours on wednesday. that forced officials at san diego international airport to temporarily stop all flights from landing. officers were responding to a domestic violence call initially, no one was hurt in the exchange of gunfire. colbert expected to be booked on charges of attempted murder. 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they preemptory challenges, as they call it, for any reason. now it can't be a race-based reason. so if the defense was saying, using species reasoning to excuse all of the blacks that could raise a real question. you have to have enough african-americans on the jury pool in order to get them on the jury. one of the studies that you've mentioned also interesting, to say that jury decision making is improved with a diverse jury. actually, a diverse -- diversity helps all kinds of situations. >> u.s. supreme court taking up something similar to this right now, right, about how we select our juries in the country? >> the foster case was argued this month and the way that prosecutors used preemptory challenges to excuse african-american jurors in that case came under great scrutiny and great amount of skepticism from the justices who questioned the methods. in this case, the defense is really under the gun in terms of wait they may have used challenges and the way they may use the race of 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we want to take a closer look at refugee crisis in europe through the eye of most vulnerable. the united nations says 6.5 million people have been displaced in syria, that's half of the population of that country, and nearly half displaced are children. numbers are taggering. the european union estimates 3 million refugees will move from middle eastern nations into europe by the year 2017. now we're getting a closer look at the faces behind those numbers. calipari was here earlier in the hour with us. he's been looking at stories and pictures people are posting online, social media, internet. and you're finding pictures of children that are really heartbreaking. >> really tough to look at and taken by a german still photograph somewhere trying to get at that humanity that we seem to have lost in the worst humanitarian crisis in a generation. four photos today. all of children, all come from the same set where children sleep. this first photo, we'll show you, of a girl named walla, she's 5. still trying to make it to europe. she's in lebanon now. 1 million syrian refugees currently in lebanon, that's a country, 100 times smaller than syria. >> 1 million. >> second photo, ahmed, taken in serbia, you can see him sleeping in the woods without any cover. he's had the same bag his uncle says since he's left syria. he's very brave, only cries at night. lamar, 5. this photo as well in serbia. you can see the difference a blanket and some socks make for these kids. the last photo is of a 9-year-old, she's made it, in sweden. two crossings over the mediterranean. >> two years. >> two years the thing i love about this photo, not necessarily the teddy bear, although fantastic, it's the shirt and bed covers matching. it gives me a sense of safety. we've got to figure out a way to humanize it. 6.5 million people. >> i think there's, unfortunately, fatigue with the story, right? as we tell it over and over again we keep talking about refugees, refugees, and people, i think it's easy to start to go, whoa, i can't handle this. but when you look at these individual photos -- >> it's something everyone can relate to. you don't have to really have kids to be able to see photos and it's children when they're at their most vulnerable, when they're sleeping. that what makes it powerful. one of the things we've go remember, winter is coming in europe. a lot of the kids are in a very difficult situation, they are exposed to elements. that is of major concern for the unhcr, forred aid groups around europe. >> i with the u.n. foundation and a lot of people talking about supporting if people have a little extra this winter, supporting some of the organizations that are doing a lot to help. >> let's not forget, not just syrian refugees, refugees coming out of iraq, yemen, the surrounding countries and that's what's making numbers so high, the number you mentioned, 3 million people are going to be joining eu bloc countries, 28 nations, before the end of next year. that's going to change the demographics of europe. >> does the photographer know how the kids are doing now or has he lost track? 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