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Prevent a repeat of last week and make sure the transfer of power is peaceful. We are live in washington and in state clols across the country as the inauguration collides with impeachment, a trial that could start while joe biden is giving his inaugural address. We might get an answer this morning on when haass Speaker Nancy Pelosi plans to send that article across the capitol. She will speak live from there as one gop senator now openly saying the house was right to impeach the president. Were talking about one of the impeachment managers congresswoman Stacey Plaskett here live in just a moment. Good morning, im Hallie Jackson in washington along with our nbc news team, tom costello over on the hill, dasha burns in lansing, michigan, Maura Barrett is in harrisburg, pennsylvania. Tom, let me start with you. We confirmed a few hours ago that all of these security concerns, i mean, there is going to be a delay in a weekend inauguration rehearehearsal. I was down at the capitol yesterday doing some work. It is unbelievable. It is just striking to see these National Guards troops posted up everywhere you look. Reporter yeah, 21,000 National Guard troops will be here by Inauguration Day. Now, according to the commanding general. To give you a sense of where we are, the capitol right behind me and we have gotten multiple layers here, multiple streets and layers of security. Concrete barriers, National Guard troop carriers on every single block and as we showed you yesterday and as weve been shooting for the last couple days National Guard troops carrying their semiautomatic weapons, m4s as well. This is the strictest security we have ever seen in washington, d. C. For inauguration. In fact, i will tell you that weve talked to some historians who say that this is probably the biggest security clamp down in d. C. Since the civil war when d. C. Was an armed camp. So 21,000 soldiers expected on Inauguration Day and we have thousands of Police Officers, federal, local, state Police Officers who are here as well. This is, im going to step up just a little bit so you can see a little bit more, this is this speaks to the level of concern that we have in d. C. That right wing extremists may be plotting a round two here, not just in d. C. But in state capitols across the country. Just minutes ago we learned that the department of justice Inspector General is going to be launching an investigation into everything that went down last week as it relates to the justice department, trying to get a handle on how Homeland Security responded, how the fbi responded, misintelligence, all of that. That news coming in as we are now hearing for the first time from some of the d. C. Police officers who were in that pitched battle on capitol hill. It was just pure chaos. And i just remember, you know, people still swinging metal poles at us and they were pushing and shoving, they were spraying us with, you know, bear mace and pepper spray. I was being beaten with a thin blue line flag and guys were trying to grab my gun and they were chanting kill him with his own gun. Reporter yeah, literally beating these Police Officers with thin blue line flags and trump flags and american flags. Hallie, the more information that comes out about what happened inside the capitol, the more its painting a picture of just an all out harrowing pitched battle with Police Officers convinced they were fighting for their lives. Some of these officers saying, you know, if we had pulled our guns, then the Opposing Side would have fired on us and it would have been a massacre. Right. Reporter it just gives you a sense of we know now that at least 60, 60, Police Officers were injured during this melee. One officer died, another officer we believe died by suicide over the weekend and we dont have the full count on how many capitol Police Officers also were injured. It just gives you a sense of the scope of this was unimaginable, even greater than the images that weve seen suggest. And its worth remembering, tom, that as these images that we have seen were unfolding there were members the top line of succession to the presidency was at the capitol, the Vice President , the speaker of the house, in some instances just seconds away. I have to tell you, tom, it is startling to see whats behind you there, the dome of the u. S. Capitol, those National Guard trucks, stationed right in front of them and dash is that and maura, you are seeing somewhat similar scenes at other capitols all around the country. Dash is that, you are outside the Capitol Building in lansing, michigan, and i think you are about to get a briefing from state and local Law Enforcement there. What are their concerns and what are they doing about it . Reporter hallie, good morning. Welcome to some classic michigan weather, a snowy start to the day here at the capitol. I just spoke to the mayor of lansing who earlier in the week had asked the governor to activate National Guard troops. He tells me that he expects that she will do so, thats probably what were going to hear, one of the things we will hear at the press beefing here in just a few minutes. Thats just one of the precautions being taken here. Another that youre going to see visually built up throughout the day here, there will be a fence erected, you can see the materials here and you can see some folks putting that fence together over here. That is going to be erected surrounding the capitol. The Michigan Capitol Commission member says that the last time they had a barrier like this elected at the capitol was in the mid 1990s when the kkk rallied here. Were also going to see a stepped up police presence. I asked the mayor about what his biggest concerns are and what they are expecting for this weekend. Take a listen to what he had to say. What we saw last week at our nations capitol and some of the information that the fbi and others have been talking about, its you know, its a concern. I wholly believe there will be people to come out and peaceful flee protest and thats what we expect, but there could be some, some few, who try to make it turn violent or take action that is they shouldnt and in that instance we will be ready. Im always hopeful, hopeful, but prepared. Reporter and, hallie, of course, michigan is an open carry state, thats something we reported on heavily in the lead up to the election. The Michigan Capitol Commission earlier in the week banned open carry at the capitol. Its one of the few capitols in the u. S. That allows firearms on premises, open carry is banned, concealed carry is not and some Lawmakers Said they didnt go far enough with that. One state senator is so concerned for her safety she said she went to a military Surplus Store and bought a helmet, pepper spray and she has a bulletproof vest under her desk. A lot of concern from lawmakers and elected officials in this capitol that has a history of threats and armed protests here, hallie. So many eyes on michigan where you are, dash is that, maings. Maura, let me go to you in the pa state of harrisburg. The pennsylvania governor says hes not going to let what happened here in washington happen there. Reporter right, exactly, hallie, in doing so he has activated 450 of pennsylvanias National Guard, some will be here at the Capitol Building and some will be elsewhere across the state. Thats in addition to about 100 Capitol Police members that are also going to be out here in the capitol. Weve soon this added presence of those orange barricades, thats something new we havent seen in previous protests. I want to give you some context. Harrisburg, the state capitol, is right in the downtown of harrisburg so police are talking about closing down roads like these, surrounding the capitol, exterior roads as well. They will be bringing in officers on horseback, theres going to be a bomb squad present as well as Airborne Surveillance like helicopters and drones. So they are pulling out all of the stops in preparation for this weekend, although they say there hasnt been any specific threats to the capitol complex. I want to note ive covered some of these rallies here in harrisburg. This entire street behind me, the steps around the building, were completely filled with people during reopen rallies, look to go reopen Small Businesses during the coronavirus pandemic, same when the president ial race was called for president elect joe biden. So the Harrisburg Police are familiar with rallies like these, like dash is that mentioned pennsylvania is also an open carry state but that hasnt been banned here. Harrisburg police they say theyre prepared from past experience but are encouraging people to come peacefully, protest, air their grievances peacefully and then go home. Hallie . Maura barrett, dasha burns, tom costello, thank you to all of you. We are expecting more updates on this security situation here in the city of washington at noon. Youve got d. C. Mayor Muriel Bowser who will be joined by a whole bunch of federal and local officials to talk about inauguration security. That is happening as back inside capitol hill were expecting to hear from house Speaker Nancy Pelosi next hour. And the big question here this morning, when will she send that article of impeachment over to the senate. As with a lot of things in washington, right, it is all about the timing. As we are waiting for her decision here weve learned senator Lisa Murkowski is closer to making hers, becoming the latest republican signaling theyre open to convicting President Trump. I want to bring in now Leigh Ann Caldwell on capitol, kara lee outside the white house. Leanne, timing, right . It was one year ago today that they sent articles of impeachment ahead of the last trial. When will speaker o pelosi do that again. Reporter hallie, that is just an incredible fact that just one year ago we were right here where we are again today, but all eyes are on house Speaker Nancy Pelosi and the question is, like you mentioned, when is she going to send that article over to the senate and theres a lot of things that are coming into play here. Of course joe biden is to be inaugurated next wednesday, as well as there are a bunch of theres at least five confirmation hearings next week for joe biden and joe biden Just Announced what he wants to do regarding covid and get a massive stimulus out to the country. Democrats are acutely aware of those problems and those things that they need to deal with while they also conduct an impeachment trial of President Trump. Now, all eyes are on the senate and the these senators are getting a lot of pressure on where they are standing. As you mentioned, we heard from senator Lisa Murkowski of alaska, she is a fiercely independent senator who actually ran as an independent in one of her previous elections and won in a writein campaign. She came out very strongly last night in local media. Lets listen to what she had to say. I believe this president violated his oath of office and i believe there must be consequences to that. I believe that the house in advancing the articles of impeachment is entirely appropriate. Reporter a lot of people are questioning what theyre going to do. Senator James Lankford one of the people who was going to oppose the Electoral College vote but recanted after january 6th insurrection, he sent a letter to black oklahomans apologizing for his original stance, hallie. We will talk more about that in a second with one of the members to congress we have with us. Listen, we are heading into Donald Trumps final weekend as president as we are learning more about what his next steps may be. The thought that the president is giving to that and what he may do. Bring us up to speed. Its hard to believe five more days and President Trump is a former president. What weve seen in recent days and recent hours is a number of individuals packing up their desks, moving out their things in boxes so there is definitely a real tangible transition going on, you can feel it. There is a difference over there at the white house. Just by the number the fact that there is not that many people left over at the white house. Our understanding is that the president will leave before those inaugural ceremonies get under way, heading to florida, but, look, d. C. Is going to follow him. This is a president who leaves office but still has this potential impeachment trial hanging over him. There is a lot of questions around that, including whether or not he will have a legal team, what his Legal Defense will be and, hallie, the other thing we expect i would just add is pardons. A number of announcements expected at any time for the president to pardon any number of people. And it comes, carol, as were learning that based on a pugh poll the president s Approval Rating has sunk to an all time low in his presidency, just 29 . We will have more on that. Carol lee and lee ann caldwell, thanks very much. We are talking with one of the democrats who will be one of the impeachment managers appointed by nancy pelosi all of them lawyers. Congresswoman Stacey Plaskett joins me live on her strategy on how to convict the president. Plus president elect bidens nearly 2 trillion plan to bolster of economy already getting push back. How rooems and even some in his own party are starting to throw cold water on it. 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Democratic members of Congress Corey bush, alexandria ocasiocortez are among those signaling at the want more money in those direct checks, more than the 1,400 being proposed. On the right you have criticism of whats in the plan and how its unfolding with marco rubio saying the sweeping proposal cant pass quickly and will play aid to americans. I want to bring in now nbcs mike mem a lee in wilmington, delaware. This relief proposal, big deal, a lot of americans are looking for relief, also important for this vaccine plan hes going to be laying out. Reporter thats right, hallie. Biden saying last night that we need to move heaven and earth in order to get this National Vaccine strategy off the ground, hit his goals of getting 100 million vaccines accomplished in the first 100 days. Moving heaven and earth also requires a lot of money and thats why hes proposing this in in speech last night. You can see the numbers, 20 billion as part of that National Vaccination Program Including another 50 billion for testing. Then you have the direct relief, that includes those, yes, 1,400 stimulus checks, not 2,000 but you add 600 from the last covid relief bill and you get the 2,000 that biden is talking about. Another part of this component is the direct aid to states in order to keep frontline workers getting paychecks, this is something biden has talked an awful lot about. Something he learned from his experience overseeing the recovery act, part of the response to the Great Recession that the Obama Administration confronted 12 years ago. A lot of talk of course, hallie, as you talk about that price tag, 1. 9 trillion. We talk about vaccines, they require two doses. Biden saying this is just the first step. This is the rescue plan, then we have to talk in a month about the Recovery Plan he wants to deliver and address to congress about. Thats that build back better plan he talked so much about. As he put it, listen, i know that these are expensive plans but the cost of doing nothing is even greater. Now, youre talking about the push back from the left. There is some praise coming from the likes of Bernie Sanders and also moderates in the party, but this is a real interesting insight into what joe biden is going to be facing for four years as president. Sometimes being the man in the middle, not pleasing everyone on the left, certainly not pleasing everyone on the right, but he will have to navigate that to be effective as president. Hallie. That is for sure. Thank you. New reporting just in about how close those capitol hill rioters got to Vice President mike pence, literally coming out as we are on the air. One of the journalists who broke that story is scrambling to a camera, she will be live with us right after the break. 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You hit publish and raced right over to us. Good morning. Good morning, hallie. Thanks for your interest. It has been a news deluge like none i have ever seen. Just to quickly recap no kidding. Yeah, no kidding. What we published is about the fact that over the last couple of hours starting in the middle of last night we were learning from sources that Vice President pence came far closer to the rioters who were outside with a noose that was marked with his name and rioters that were inside chanting that he was a traitor that they needed to find. It turns out, hallie, shockingly, that the secret service moved Vice President pence off of the chamber at about 2 13. At 2 14 the room that he had been moved to, a hide away office, very close to the Senate Chamber, was exactly where rioters were charging up the steps on the second floor and were miraculously and brilliantly drawn away by a Capitol Police officer who sort of pulled them in the opposite direction of both the Senate Chamber and in the opposite direction of Vice President pences hide away. It was a minute and only a minute. The rioters might have seen the Vice President had there been a second delay. It is stunning to think about that period of time and what a short period of time it was, but theres another period of time that youre reporting on, i had a chance to skim your piece during the commercial break, carol, and that is how long it took, 14 minutes i believe you say it was from the time that the mob basically got into the capitol to when the Vice President was taken off the floor. Talk to us more about that. Absolutely. Good timeline to focus on, and there is one more that well get to. So at 1 59 is the first time that Capitol Police basically radioed that there has been a breach of the security plane, essentially of the capitol. That means riots have gotten past all the perimeters, are outside the building and one at least and possibly more are cracking glass. Thats the first notice that this mob is totally out of control and theyre coming in. It is then 14 minutes later that the Vice President is removed by his secret Service Detail to this hide away office. Its a temporary and not so secure location, but its a temporary resting spot and the secret service twice in this period, again, after the rioters are passing directly past this office where pence is in hiding, the secret service pleads with the Vice President , we want to evacuate you from the capitol right now. He twice says he would rather not, he doesnt want to be driven out by this mob. On the third attempt the secret service says there is no choice, were leaving. Hallie, there is one other key time point, if you dont mind. Yeah. At 1 09 which is an hour earlier, there is an emergency declared outside because the Capitol Police conclude they cant keep this mob back from the building. So a full hour and 15 minutes and change there is an emergency outside. The Capitol Police chief has asked for emergency reinforcements from the National Guard and the secret service and the lawmakers own protective details dont appear to know that this is happening. If the president had been there it seems to me impossible to imagine he would not have been evacuated after 1 00. Can you talk, carol, for people who dont live and breathe this stuff, what is the typical kind of detail that the Vice President travels with . What was he traveling with on this day . And then what the secret service has said to you as far as any comment, i know you requested comment for the story. The secret service has declined to say anything about the details of what happened with Vice President pence on that day, january 6th, other than to say that he was secure. I have to give them credit, i believe that with the team he was traveling with it would have been hard for rioters to cause harm to the Vice President. He was in danger, but he was surrounded by a detail, a working shift of agents who are taught to evacuate and cover him in any in any kind of threat. He was also traveling as he normally does with a counterassault team. And that team is you know, they are expert marksmen, they are basically like special operators for the secret service and they were in charge of clearing a path for the Vice President and making sure that when they did take him to the second secure location, which we are not identifying, when they took him to that further, you know, safety, that counterassault team with weapons drawn moved through the capitol to ensure that there was going to be no rioter that they ran into along the way. That that path was clear. It is chilling to think about that scene, carol, unfolding in the United States capitol and we are grateful to you and your team for your reporting and bringing that to us. Carol loennig with the Washington Post. I commend folks to read the piece that just popped over on the post. We are also talking about house Speaker Nancy Pelosi about to hold her next Weekly Press Conference there on capitol hill very soon and the question on everybodys mind, when is she going to send that article of impeachment over to the senate. When asked her answer so far has been soon. Now, the earliest the senate could actually get that article is next tuesday when theyre back in session, which means the earliest a try to start is the day after at 1 00 an hour after president elect biden takes the oath of office. Im joined by democratic congresswoman Stacey Plaskett. Congresswoman plaskett, thank you for being with us this morning. Good morning. Good morning to you, hallie. So let me start there. Has Speaker Pelosi told you or the other managers when she plans to sort of get this thing moving, when she plans to send the articles over . Were working on that right now. The speaker is in communication and when we have information that we can share with you all, well let you know. Okay. But interesting that its still being its still under discussion, so it sounds like perhaps no decision, congresswoman, has been made yet on that article . As soon as were able to give you some information well explain that all to you. The process will unfold for the American People to be able to digest and get themselves ready to observe. Do you have any concerns yourself personally about the potential split screen of, you know, the west front of the capitol, joe biden giving his inaugural address, inside the senate starting an impeachment trial of President Trump . Does that give you pause . I think what the American People will understand is that we are the greatest nation in the world, we are going to be presenting to the most complex and professional deliberative body, meaning the senate, and that we can do multiple things at the same time. Im really dismayed when i hear people say that if the president is no longer in office that we should stop this process, that it doesnt happen, but those of us in the house believe that we had an oath to uphold to defend the constitution against enemies foreign and domestic and that what transpired before even january 6 but culminated in rioters and domestic terrorism against the democracy, against members of congress and the had something had to be done and that within our purview is impeachment, and with that impeachment means that the senate is to take up the matter as a trial and were very, very keen on doing all of the work necessary to present that case to them. And your case, what youre tasked with doing, is basically convincing some of these Senate Republicans, some of them skeptical, right, to convict President Trump. Were actually hearing from one of those Senate Republicans this morning, senator James Lankford, he is now apologizing to his black constituents for initially questioning the election results. I wonder do you read anything into that and what is your level of confidence that you can convince 17 of these gop senators to break ranks . I think what were going to do is present the evidence and as clear and concise a manner as possible. You know, we are looking at articles of impeachment and i dont want to go into the strategy or what specifically were going to be doing. We are working as a team, the impeachment managers and the tremendous staff that we have are meeting continually, collecting evidence, and you will see from the evidentiary documents that we present to the senate what our arguments and what we are going to do. I would say for senator lankford, however, that im happy that he is willing to show kind of the mindset that i think has infected so many of them in not following the hateful and in many times racist rhetoric of the president to say that he won by a landslide, the election was stolen and that the reported results are somehow fraudulent. Not recognizing the power of the vote and the power of people to do that. And weve seen by those rioters so many of them in neonazi, antisemitic, White Supremacy what so much of the genesis of this hatred is. Im hopeful that he and other senators will be very thoughtful and openminded and willing to hear the evidence as its presented. I want to ask you about some of the security pieces weve been talking about here on this show this morning. Congressman peter meijer 24 hours ago on the broadcast, one of the republicans who voted to impeach the president tells me he is stocking up on body armor, taking other steps to increase his own personal security. Are you doing the same thing . You know, we are looking at security measures. Im grateful to the capitol Police Officers that are here and present, those who fought valiantly on january 6th. Of course, my family is very concerned, particularly taking on the role that im taking on right now, you know, im confident that we are going to have the security measures and have security measures in place sufficient to support ourselves, but, hallie, its a real concern of members and their families, people forget at the end of the day that members of congress are people. That we have children and husbands and wives, we live in homes like they do and we have been sent here by our constituents to do work. And those impeding us and threatening us to do that work is absolutely something that must be stopped. One of my colleagues here at nbc has a story out this morning with a rather stunning headline that some democrats in congress are worried about their colleagues, safety from their colleagues, not necessarily from rioters. You know, not rhetorically, literally. I want to play for you what congresswoman alexandria ocasiocortez said. Because there were k a nonand white supremacist sympathizers and frankly white supremacist members of congress in that extraction point. I didnt even feel safe around other members of congress. Congresswoman, do you feel safe around other members of congress, around your colleagues . Well, im grateful for nancy pelosi for the speaker saying that she will impose fines on members who do not follow safety protocols, but let me just say, hallie, that i think that what were seeing now is that we have a president who has drummed up this kind of hatred. Its always been there, this is not something that has not been a part of americas fabric, but he has allowed that those tensions, those racist tendencies to come to the forefront and it has gone unchecked during his presidency. What you are seeing now is that we members of the house are saying no more. Youre going to be called and youre going to be brought to the table for that. Those are the things that the president did on january 6 and has been doing throughout by telling proud boys to stand down and to stand by, to wait for his call. Well, he gave them that call for january 6th and were seeing that now. So members of congress who are following the president and believe that they, too, can follow his rhetoric, i think will soon learn that thats not the case. Congresswoman Stacey Plaskett, thank you so much for joining us. I know its going to be a busy couple of weeks for you. We will see you soon at some point, timing tbd on the floor leading that impeachment trial for the democrats. Thank you again. Thank you. Leading up to next weeks inauguration the fbi director is warning theyre already seeing whats being described as an extensive amount of concerning online chatter and that chatter is happening in even more fringy corners of the internet now that far right extremists are getting kicked off of sites like twitter. They are on telegraph where extremists are ignoring the president s call for calm, instead taking their cues from the fact he still has not conceded. By not doing so he is seen by them as giving approval to plans to essentially wage war. You have other groups that do seem to be kind of changing course at least for now, though maybe not in the way you think. According to the Washington Post on telegram some users are calling on followers to abandon their plans in washington on Inauguration Day in favor of surprise attacks nationwide. Nbcs ben tollins is joins us now. Whats going on in the private chat groups . Is it deterrents or mobilization . I have good news and bad news. The good news is in the place that is they organized the first time around, they are now saying theyre now giving instructions not to talk about it in public. In fact, theyre saying, look, even if the feds come to you and they say they are your friend, they are not your friend, dont trust them. They are giving instructions to people who may have gotten away with this flange the first time around. Theyre telling people to go deeper into encrypted apps. The issue is its harder to track. In fact, its not just the public telegram channels and stuff like that thats there, theres sort of a labyrinth where theres, you know you get deeper and deeper into more radicalized thought into these smaller and smaller groups. Thats the harder part to track as people get more serious as they get into smaller groups and radicalize faster. And thats a question for like Law Enforcement for journalists even like you who monitor these extremists now that they are in these lab lints deeply does it get tougher to figure out what their plans are and what theyre going to do . It absolutely gets harder. I have other good news if you want to hear it, i know its hard to say. I would love good news from you, ben. There has been this bifurcation among extremist groups right now where theyre sort of trying to push away the qanon people among these militant groups and the qanon people for a lot of these people its the pathway in because its such a widespread belief set. Because the qanon people believe that on january 20th donald trump has a grand plan to fix it all. Its religious, they believe that he is basically the masai i cant, they dont believe anything could do g. Wrong. Real militants are saying, no, absolutely not, we have to fight and that is pushing away a lot of people who got into this because they wanted some sort of semblance of order or a plan to trust. Now there is no plan. So because of that there is some infighting here and that might really help, that might contribute to dwindling number of extremists, however, thats how you get more they call them lone wolf style attacks. They are not really lone wolf attacks, but thats how you get these pun oneoff things across the country, instead of planned stuff lets say at inauguration. Ben collins live for us there. Ben, thank you for bringing us that reporting. Coming up, were turning to the other major story happening today, the cdc out with a staggering projection now that more than 90,000 americans could die from coronavirus just in the next three weeks. Next up, new word of a study looking at whether you may need a repeat vaccine. What you should know next. A repe at you should know next. 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So a third shot in addition to the two shots that are part of the vaccine and the point is to see whether repeat vaccinations are needed, whether theyre safe or effective. This is really interesting. What are you watching for from the biddy and what does it mean . Hallie, i think this is very smart because there is a couple of things that we know currently, you know, we know that reinfections occur in people who have had natural infections because over time our immunity does tend to start going down, in fact, there was a study from the uk just this week that among Health Care Workers that show there is a fourfold reduction in people who have had covid before of getting infected again but it does occur. We know that the immune response that a vaccine gives you is much stronger, the likelihood of getting reinfected is likely much lower and that immune memory may last for longer. Thats what we think, but i think its smart of moderna to take this stance to start gathering data on this because it will give us a better the longevity of protection, how long vaccine will protect us is an ongoing question that needs to be answered for all the vaccines and they are taking the stance to show what those immuno logical parameters will look like. The other reason it might be important for us to have this in place is for most of us who are in this field we think that we may end up needing these vaccines on an annual or semiannual level because the virus is evolving. Weve seen the new variants they are more transmissible. Even though currently the variants that are out there seem to be the vaccines that are out there can protect against them eventually enough evolution may happen that we may need to adjust that. Youve got now 28 states at least, doctor, moving to open up the vaccine to more groups of people. Thats something that dr. Fauci was actually talking about this morning over on the today show. Here is what he said. If you have a dose, give it, and dont be so rigid as to those early designations. Yeah. So the cdc never meant to be rigidly adhering to that. So, of course, give it to more people, fine, but when do you that thats where you see some of these issues with long lines, websites crashing, phone lines, people not being able to get through. How realistic can people be about getting that second dose when they should . Yeah, i think that we need to make all the effort we can because the science is behind the twodose regimen, but i do think its important to get as many doses out there as possible because because of the fact that when you look at countries like israel, for example, that has almost vaccinated 25 of its population, they have started to see potentially decrease in transmission and we need that. We need any grade we can get. But youre right, haley, what we need to do in the setting it to guarantee that the operational structure is out there to ensure that once you open you doses, but you have the capacity to administer it to everybody else. Third thing, which i think im glad to see president elect biden will release more Details Program that they are planning, one of the things they are looking at is a commitment to manufacturing of new doses. As long as we have the ducks in a row, i think opening it up is a good idea. Quickly, theres a new estimate out i want to ask you about. One in every three people who live in l. A. County has covid. Thats a staggering number. One person dies every six minutes there from covid. What is your sense of why that area is so hard hit . When you listen to epidemiologists from california and from l. A. In particular, a couple of things come together. Its a picture we are seeing in the country. We fell behind the eight ball. Numbers are high to begin with and l. A. Before the holidays and those added cases to the point we never could catch up. Athome restrictions were put into place, but the pandemic fatigue after one year of being in the crisis has been an issue to get people to follow up. Of course, we dont know about what variant may be involved. Its great to have your expertise on the show. Thank you very much. Turning back to the white house where President Trump is capping off the week and his presidency, five days before he officially becomes a former president , he is mostly out of the view of the public, increasingly isolated based on many sources, and he is leaving the white house with the lowest job Approval Rating of his presidency. Down to 29 in a brandnew poll just out this hour. Thats down nine points since august. It comes mostly from people who are republican and people who lean republican. Look at that. Over at the white house, staffers at the west wing have been spotted packing up things as one does a few days before leaving a job. Vice president pence is stepping out in public. He is not only traveling today and this weekend, he visited the National Guard at the capitol thursday and promised an ordinarily orderly transition of power. We will swear in a new president and Vice President. We will move our nation forward. Im joined by somebody who knows the Trump White House well. Joe grogan is joining us now. Welcome to the show. Good to have you on. Thanks for having me on. I imagine you are in touch with your former colleagues about what its like inside the white house. What are you hearing . I think people many people are shell shocked, to be honest, it ended this way. Theres a lot of young staffers, especially, who were holding out hope even after the election. People are looking to move on. I think theres a lot of disappointment that what happened on the National Mall and at the capitol last week. Many people are very appreciative for the way that the Vice President conducted himself, both at the capitol and subsequently. I want to talk about the Vice President in a second. You said people are disappointed about what happened and some folks are shell shocked. You watched the coverage. You were there. The president has often times used rhetoric over the last four years to make his points. There are those critics who say the president previewed Something Like this would ultimately could potentially happen with the language that he uses. What happened was shocking. It was abhorrent. For any american who loves this country, for any american who respects our institutions, it was stunning to see that level of violence and to see the National Guard deployed at the capitol now, its just heartbreaking to see this. Nobody is not surprised by that violence. Nobody is not shocked by that violence. Its terrible to witness. Theres no way around it, regardless of party. Its very sad. Its heartbreaking. The challenge for Vice President biden coming in, going to be president now officially, is to bring the country together and move us beyond. As Eugene Robinson said this morning on your show, we have never been so divided since the civil war. I would agree about that. This is a very scary time. 75 million americans voted for donald trump. He may have a very low Approval Rating, but those 75 million americans voted for him for a reason. The question is whether or not President Biden can reach out to those voters and regrasp them and lead them, lead one american and not a divided america that may be spiraling out of control if we dont get this within hand. If you had known that this was going to be how the Trump Presidency would end, would you have done anything different . Do you regret anything about your time at the white house . One thing i tried to do was expose the president to a host of views and disagreements. One of the things that led to this debacle was the president being advised by a narrower and narrower view range of views, including crazy people, frankly. Much of the power was consolidated in white house after i left. Mark meadows took a very dim view of multiple people being allowed into the oval. Then there were people that were calling in to the president , encouraged by media personalities and other longstanding politicians and said, you should listen to this person or that person. Somebody should have been getting the president better advice throughout this. I would point out, the president s speech, had i been there, i would have reviewed that speech and so would white House Counsel and the department of justice. Who reviewed that speech and allowed it to be given on the nationalobjected to that . I would be interested to see who was advising the president that this was a good idea. Were there enough people saying, this is a bad idea, not just last week but after the election . Clearly, i think the answer to that is clear. We are out of show here. I appreciate you being on and for sharing your perspective from somebody inside the white house for a period of time. Thank you very much. Thanks to you for watching. Up next, much more with my colleague craig melvin. Melvin managing type 2 diabetes . Youre on it. Staying fit and snacking light . Yup, on it there too. You may think youre doing all you can to manage type 2 diabetes and heart disease. But could your medication do more to lower your heart risk . Jardiance can reduce the risk of cardiovascular death for adults who also have known heart disease. So, it could help save your life from a heart attack or stroke. And it lowers a1c. Jardiance can cause serious side effects including dehydration,. Genital yeast or urinary tract infections, and sudden kidney problems. 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