Public in a big way. Podium taking questions from lev parnas, Rudy Giulianis reporters. Really we think any minute here. Righthand man in ukraine weve also been talking a lot dropping 11th hour bombshell about house kpeechlt managerimpt right here on msnbc, directly implicating the president and his inner circle in that Pressure Campaign with kiev, managers. Well talk about what sources something democrats say makes the impeachment case against the are telling me infighting president even stronger. Deciding who is in and who is not. First more news in the senate. President trump knows exactly before the historic formalities what was going on. He was aware of all of my on impeachment today, they are taking care of business, expected to vote on president movements. Our team of reporters is covering every angle of this trumps north american trade with what you need to know. Deal. Seems like its going to pass with bipartisan support. Nbcs Geoff Bennett on capitol this has already got the green light from the mexican legislature, Canadian Parliament set to ratify it later this month. Hill. Kelly cobiella. Assuming the senate votes to jake sherman with msnbcs kelly approve, the president said hes going to sign one of his senior odonnell over at the white pledges into law sometime next house. Jeff, i want to start with you. Week. His senior tell us what we expected this pledges into law sometime next week cept work. Morning and what were hearing why is that . From senator mcconnell on how is it because people love filling out forms . This is going to progress on what is frankly a day of, as one maybe they like checking with their supervisor to see how much Vacation Time they have. Of our colleagues put it, historic formalities if you or sending corporate their expense reports. Will. Thats right. A day of ser mope and rceremonyr ill let you in on a little secret. They dont. By empowering employees to manage their own tasks, the third impeachment trial for paycom frees you to focus on the business of business. A sitting president in u. S. History. This kicks off at noon eastern. To learn more, visit paycom. Com well see that group of newly appointed house managers proceed from the house to the senate. Articles of impeachment in hand just like they did yesterday. Yesterday they transmitted the articles of impeachment. Today the senate will formally receive them. So after that happens, the impeachment managers will then go to the senate floor and read aloud the text of both articles. One, abuse of power. The other, obstruction of congress. Following that at 2 00 p. M. Eastern, chief Justice John Roberts will be summoned from the supreme court, ushered into the senate chamber. He will be sworn in by senator Chuck Grassley who serves as senate pro tem. After roberts this morning, he will swear in all 100 senators. They will take that oath, sign their names into an oath book. After that we expect Senate Majority leered mitch partly cloudy connell will take to the senate floor and do some housekeeping, give us a sense of how the next days will go as both sides prepare for opening arguments we expect to begin on tuesday after the mlk holiday. Geoff bennett, thanks. As this is going down wildfire we have breaking news to tell you about. Would not out of the nations capital, one ukraine. Kiev announcing two investigations and not the ones the president s allies would hope for. One into whether Marie Yovanovitch was under illegal surveillance while she was stationed at the u. S. Embassy in kiev. Thats after the first bombshell by this guy lev parnas, associate of Rudy Giuliani. He was the one arrested at an airport with a oneway ticket of the out company. Hes on bail after charges of Illegal Campaign donations. He handed over phone messages, et cetera, but some documents appear to show somebody tracking the movements of ambassador yovanovitch. Now a second major development, for the first time parnas is talking, specifically about his role in trying to pressure ukraine to dig up dirt on joe biden and his son hunter. Boy, does he point the finger at President Trump and other top cabinet officials in an music playing interview you saw first on this network with Rachel Maddow. What conversations have you had with lev parnas and igor. This is the first day of my life i dont know those gentlemen. He knew exactly who we were. He knew who i was because i i was born right in the doorway interacted at the event. I didnt know the name, the name parnas. Now i dont know where i am, i dont know where ive been do you know congressman devin but i know where i wanna go nunes. Yes, i do. I never discussed the issue of the bidens with zelle ensky. Through the at t network, edgetoedge intelligence gives you the power to see every corner of your growing business. The president because tasked from using feedback to innovate. With conversations about hunter to introducing products faster. Biden. He said, quote, whatever you can do with the attorney general to managing website inventory. Would be great. And network bandwidth. Mr. Trump knew everything. Giving you a nice big edge over your competition. Its impossible. We have a team to break this down. Thats the power of edgetoedge intelligence. I want to talk more about what lev parnas has to say. I want to talk about breaking news with josh letterman. There is a headline out in the last moment or so as we were coming on the air from the Government Accountability office as it relates to ukraine and what is essential to the we are getting new reaction impeachment inquiry. Out of breaking news, government the withholding of aid, military accountability office, gao, aid set to be delivered to kiev. What do we know . Nonpartisan government watchdog. This is a big deal, hallie. Just this hour as we were if you recall last year in the impeachment hearings, we learned literally coming on the air it found Trump Administration officials both at the White House Budget Office and also at violated law withholding the pentagon had been concerned military aid to ukraine. In realtime that withholding ken is joining me now. This aid could actually be i want to talk about what the illegal because it could violate implications are of this something called impoundment decision and how the gao came to control act. It basically says if congress it. One of the things president passes a law to direct money to trump said in the impeachment saga, democrats cant point to a a certain goal or issue, the law they say he violated. Now we have a nonpartisan administration has to carry that agency, government out. Accountability office saying, in fact, the Trump Administration they cant decide willynilly did violate the law. They arent going to spend money its called empowerment control authorized and appropriated by act, and its a law that says the president must spend money that congress appropriated. Congress. Now we have this decision from and the gao took a look at the Government Accountability justifications that the office office, essentially the top of management and budget, that Auditing Agency for the federal government. They are saying, in fact, this did violate the law. I want to read to you a little white house spending office used bit of what they are saying. To withhold the money from faithful execution of the law ukraine, they said those justifications had no basis in does not permit the president to substitute his own policy law. They are saying the Trump Administration violated the law. In fact, hallie, this was a law priorities for that congress has passed in responses to abuses by enacted into law. This decision gs on, hallie, to president nixon, so echos of say, therefore we include omb, watergate here. The thing is, there are no chace the White House Budget Office, violated the impoundment repercussions, no criminal statute, no gao police that can control act. Arrest Trump Administration but you can expect a pile on in the factor into the question of next few hours democrats in the whether witnesses should be house and senate now that you called into the impeachment have an auditinging a saying, inquiry. One of the people that the house yes, the law was violated in wanted to hear from was the house of the omb, russell withholding that aid last year. Just to be clear for viewers, voight. We are juggling a lot. They did hear from a lower level not just impeachment hearings set to happen in the senate in a budget official who said this was highly unusual the way the matter of less than two hours. Trump administration withheld youve got joshs breaking news this aid. Now again we have a nonpartisan on the Government Accountability office directly saying, right, ruling that the trump that the white house does not follow the law. Youve got lev parnass new frustration vie haolated the la interview and the fallout we are when they held 200 in 200 seeing this morning from that, which well talk about more in a second. Kelly cobiella, you have this news out of ukraine, this investigation ukraine is now million in aid from ukraine. Announcing into whether or not we will move on. Maria joseph wyovanovitch was s ken dilanian, thank you for joining us here in washington. Over at the white house, theres with this foreign government. A developing picture now of the Senate Impeachment trial trying to see was that strategy. Appropriate or not. What do Laura Ingrams childs the ministry for Foreign Affairs in ukraine specifically points to those Text Messages godfather, james comeys former from republican congressional candidate robert hyde to lev deputy all have in common . Theyre all on your screen right parnas, between the two, in now. Which the two talk about the they are all part of President Trumps impeachment defense former ambassador marie team, according to what sources are telling me and my white yovanovitchs movements and her house unit at nbc news. Were told that Pat Cipollone is computer and phone off. They point to that and say these going to lead the team, she has the connection to laura ingra m messages point to the possible violations of ukrainian law and vienna convention. Ingraham. They say ukraine cannot ignore and jay sekulow has a daily such illegal activities on the territory of its own state radio show his son has been hosting. Saying they are starting hes spoken in front of the investigation into this. Supreme court about a dozen they say they are not times. We also have two deputies to interfering in the internal Political Affairs of the United States, so you can see they are cipollone. A guy named pat phil bin and trying to strike this delicate balance. They say their goal was to mike purpura. Investigate whether this was violation of law or bravado on with us now from capitol hill is the part of two u. S. Citizens. Bob costa, National Political they also say they expect the reporter for the washington u. S. To respond promptly. Post and msnbc political analyst. The makeup of the house then theres the second investigation, the hacking into managers, how nancy pelosi was selecting the democrats to Energy Company burisma, the prosecute the case. Lets talk about how the white house is putting together the makeup of a team to defend that company hunter biden sat on the case, if you will. Board. Bring me inside what youre they have opened criminal investigation into the hacking and it was, quote, probably hearing from sources. Reporter in conversations conducted by Russian Special services. In that case they have asked for with white house officials and the fbis help. Trump allies, its clear the white house will likely have 24 hallie. Josh, what else . Hours over the course of several days to make the case on behalf kelly talked about lev parnas of President Trump and theyre going to maybe not use all 24 connection to this ukraine hours thats allotted to them. Investigation. We are hearing a lot more from parnas as he is now talking it going about potentially being open to its going to be a concise case, being a witness in the taking some shots at burisma and impeachment trial, for example. Hunter biden in terms of his walk us through highlights from engagement with ukrainian how this is playing out today companies and then stepping after frankly the extraordinary away. Its not going to be an interview last night. Extensive legal effort, based on a lot of developments out of my reporting. The interview with Rachel Maddow i think thats right. Were heard from a senior last night. Administration official lev parnas really directly yesterday who said it was implicating not only the extraordinarily unlikely this president but a lot of the trial would go past two weeks in people around him saying vice their view, which, frankly, based on my other conversation president mike pence knew about what was happening, that was seems like a bit of an aggressive timeline, unless the attorney general william barr would have had to have known what was happening. Tr trump team would take a little weve reached out to the department of justice who said thats 100 false. Less time, if its such a slam mike pences office saying dunk for them, they dont need essentially that other witnesses all the time allotted. In the impeachment testimony as much as some are bantering from last year had contradicted about calling different that. But its really bringing to life witnesses like hunter biden, the a lot of what had happened appetite inside of white house behind the scenes last year for calling extensive witnesses because we never heard from is not that big. My white house sources are anybody in the hearings who raised their hand and said i did telling me that President Trump it. It was wrong and i shouldnt wants this trial to be over but have done it. He also knows at the end of the now we have from lev parnas. Day he may have to dot the is President Trump know exactly and cross the ts and allow the what was going on. He was aware of all of my trial to play out, make a forceful defense, step away and movements. I wouldnt do anything without the consent of Rudy Giuliani or urge republicans to dismiss the trial or at least move to acquit the president. It was all about joe biden, hunter biden. It was never about corruption. H him. It was never it was strictly tell me what the sense is of folks you are talking to this about burisma which included juggling not just his impeachment trial but breaking hunter biden and joe biden. Another really interesting news on lev parnas and the news moment in that interview, hallie, is when lev parnas on the top of the hour on the apologized to ambassador gao report. Yovanovitch acknowledging he was to be frank, hallie, its part of a plan to get rid of her pretty chaotic here at the senate. Basically on false pretenses. In terms of witnesses, theres he doesnt think she was really working against the president. No agreement. He said he was sorry for his d role in that. Kelly odonnell to you here. Do some senators want to see two questions for you on the white house reaction to the witnesses . Yes, they do. Multiple developing stories were following this morning. Theres no real agreement or one, and im doubtful of this, i assume we havent heard anything consensus on witnesses that is from Administration Officials emerging at this point. About this breaking gao report. They may not expect any deal on i know thats coming out in the witnesses in the coming weeks, that its going to be an ongoing last six minutes here. I cant imagine we have negotiation, that theres no anything. Correct me if im wrong. Hard and fast rule that there so far nothing on that. Will be witnesses in this trial. Its going to be more about although i think we may have political standoffs and dynamics opportunities to try to get a reaction based on knowing what unfolding rather than any kind senior officials here are going of agreement thats certain to to do. We wont see the president today appear. Until 2 00 p. M. For an event in robert costa of the the oval office unrelated where Washington Post joining us from what looks like the russell he will be talking about the Constitutional Rights of prayer rotunda there. Indeed. In school. We are moments away from so perhaps theres a chance to hear the president going off Nancy Pelosis briefing with reporters including one of our topic a bit. Own. Were going to take you inside that remains to be seen, hallie, the room coming up. In our next hour, the lawmaker who asked for that gao review of so well follow up on that. As soon as we get it, if it the Trump Administration ukraine happens in your hour, well come back to you. Thank you. When you look at how the aid with holding, senator chris administration, not only the white house but the different van hollen is going to be on offices within are reacting to this network live. Lev parnas thats the second question. They are singing from the same playbook. They have some different variations on how they are responding to that, hallie. As you might expect, there is a concerted effort now to put lev are ar let me tell you something, parnas in the box of the man indicted trying to save himself. Give you a sense of the different reactions, here is what weve gotten so far. From the white house weve got this. These allegations being made by a man currently out on bail for federal crimes an is desperate to reduce his exposure to i wouldnt be here if i thought reverse mortgages prison. Notice in there they dont say alleged or accused of, they took advantage of any american senior, already say for federal crimes. From the Vice President s or worse, that it was some way to take your home. Office, his chief of staff says lev partnerais under multicount learn how homeowners are strategically using a indictment and will say anything reverse Mortgage Loan to cover expenses, to anybody who will listen in the hopes of staying out of pay for healthcare, preserve your portfolio and so much more. Prison. From mayor giuliani, who, of course, acts as the president s a reverse Mortgage Loan personal lawyer and has a close isnt some kind of trick to take your home. Relationship with parnas, at least in the past he has, he its a loan, like any other. Says hes a very sad situation. Big difference is how you pay it back. From the department of justice find out how reverse mortgages really work they respond, 100 false. With aags free, noobligation reverse mortgage guide. So you get an idea here that they are all trying to discredit with a reverse mortgage, you can pay whatever you can, parnas at the same moment where when it works for you, or, parnas is putting so much of the responsibility directly on you can wait, and pay it off in one lump sum when you leave your home. President trump and also undercutting his rational, the discover the option thats best for you. Whole issue of this was about call today and find out more. Im proud to be a part of aag, corruption. The president saying its his president ial duty to fight corruption. I trust em, i think you can too. Parnas saying, no, it was really about the bidens. Hal. Kelly, great point. Jake sherman to you and my friend i have ripped up in the rundown, the questions were going to be talking about because theres so much happening in the last couple of minutes. I want you to talk if you can, jake, in a minute about lev parnas and how thats playing out on the hill. Also new reporting on Government Accountability office finding, for a nasty cold, take dayquil severe with vicks vapocool. Essentially, that the white house basically violated the whoa law. I want to know your sense of how and vaporize it with an intense rush of vicks vapors. This is going to play out with ahhhhhhhhhh republicans and democrats today. Dayquil severe with vicks vapocool. I cannot imagine and were going to talk to a democratic member the daytime, coughing, stuffy head, of congress in a minute here, i vaporize your cold, medicine. Cannot imagine democrats are going to stay quiet about this. No, they are not. Its unclear what they could actually do to prevent this further in the future. This was already against the law. Members of congress knew that well because they write these budgets. Many members of congress have been writing these budgets for decades. They know what the president did was not right, not legal, not according to statute, not according to congresss intent or anything remotely close to congresss intent. Could they build in more safeguards to legislation to make sure the president faithfully executes the laws this coequal branch of government passes and that the president signs. Y i dont know the answer to thatened a im not sure they do. What this comes down to at the end of the day, are you with the president or not. I know that sounds cynical and is cynical but people for the president find a way to justify what he has done. They will say, i can hear it already, people are already saying it, well, the aid got to ukraine eventually so what does it matter what happens in the interim. It does matter because there are laws. On the lev parnas piece of it, too, you wrote extensively about that in playbook this morning. Theres already been reaction from people like susan collins, im perplexed the house is sending over Additional Information which should have been included earlier. Walk us through how this plays out out, as were expecting more developments in the impeachment proceedin proceedings. What josh said was right. This is the kind of rich detail we have not gotten so far firsthand. Thats what republicans have we are back with kasie hunt been talking about. To is on capitol hill inside the we have somebody going on room where we expect to see the television speaking on the record about this. A few things to unpack here. House speaker any moment. Number one, will he be called to the ball is in her court as of to . Testify . Will this come into play. How do you think shes still the question now becomes do you maneuvering behind the scene, if at all . Emphasis on any moment you think this is administrative to may see her walk in over my the overall process . Thats what republicans are going to have to grapple with. Shoulder as you and i are standing here chats the speaker, some people are falling back on the excuse or on the idea that yes, her formal role is over, but the idea that shes not the house should have done this, going to play a role in the the house should have wrapped this up. Rooms behind the scenes with the and i hear that but democrats think that thats really not the managers who are going to be case, that they have the ability to bring in more witnesses and add to the record. Making their arguments in the well see in the house wants to coming weeks is ludicrous. Depose him and the house wants shes going to be help them direct their thinking, their to put it in the record. Thats totally in play. People havent ruled that out when it comes to bolton and i hope they wont rule it out when resources, how theyi itdecide t it comes to parnas. Lay out their case. Republicans you can already hear them say this is a man trying to save his life, does not want to the big question is how is it going to play out in the senate . Go to prison and will say its unlikely well get anything to stay out of jail. Questions to those answers for thats what they will fall back on. Some days if not weeks now, again, this is serious stuff. Hallie. Firsthand knowledge from kasie hunt live in the room. Essentially somebody who said he was carrying out the president s wishes. Thank you and thanks to the rest we know, without a doubt, he was close to Rudy Giuliani. We know without a doubt he was a of us watching us here on msnbc. Donor. Hes been indicted. This is, again, as we get into this trial phase, to have these craig melvin, you will be teeing people come out and speak up on the impeachment proceedings on the senate trial. Firsthand is incredibly we are indeed, my friend. Important, incredibly powerful. Jake schumer, we so craig melvin here in new york appreciate your expertise and city. It is another historic day there excellent sourcing on capitol hill. In the nations capital. Kelly cobiella, josh ledderman, we are watching the senate floor thanks to all of you, an there. Extremely busy morning. That is senator Cindy Hyde Smith yes, were juggling a lot and of mississippi. Senators tackling the biggest well keep juggling this hour. Coming up, lipreading no question they may face in their time in the upper chamber, more. We know what went down when whether to remove a sitting president from office. Elizabeth warren refused to but before at the get there, any shake Bernie Sanders hand this minute now theyre going to start voting on a trade deal as week. Why some progress i was are well. Also any minute as kasie just begging for everyone to get along. I think you called me a liar mentioned there, House Speaker on national tv . Nancy pelosi is expected to take what . 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And now, save 1,000 on the sleep number 360 special Edition Smart bed, now only 1,799. Plus, free premium delivery on all smart beds when you add a base. Ends monday dont get mad. Get e trade, dawg. So right there on the left side watching for Nancy Pelosis arrival on the podium. That will be a matter of minutes. Were tracking that as we track a lot of moving pieces on this frankly history making day. Over on the senate side were 90 minutes away from the first part of the senate trial. The reading of the impeachment articles on the senate floor. Something weve only seen one other time before in modern televised u. S. History. 1999, that part took 13 minutes. Senator Strom Thurmond serving as president pro tem. Today Chuck Grassley and leading manager adam schiff will lead the articles. S thats the role henry hyde played 20 years ago. Then a little bit of a break and chief Justice John Roberts will do the swearing in of senators. Back in 1999 it took 20 minutes or so, done by chief justice renquist. He arrived with bipartisan senators. Today two republicans, two Democratic Senators and swear in everybody officially kicking off their roles as jurors in President Trumps impeachment trial. Just now we heard from Senate Majority leader Mitch Mcconnell on all of this. Now they want the senate to redo their homework and rerun the investigation. Thats why speaker of the house saw nothing strange about celebrating third president ial impeachment in American History with souvenirs and posed photographs. Joining me now live is one of those very soon to be jurors, democratic senator Debbie Stabenow from michigan chairs policy and communications committee. Senator, thank you for being back on the show. Hallie, good to be back with us prosecute of as were juggling i want to talk about impeachment but i have to start with the new report from Government Accountability office which said the white house violate add law. I want to read you a pieces of it. Again, were talking about withholding of military to crane. Faithful execution of the law does not permit the president to substitute his own policy priorities for those congress has enacted into law. What is your reaction to this . Hallie, first of all, the gao is a nonpartisan agency we look to for the facts on this. I think they are clear. One of the things that has separated the United States from other countries is our constitution, our checks and balances, the capacity to have an Accounting Office give us information like this. We are article one. The president is article two. We as a congress should be taking that report incredibly seriously including republican colleagues. They should be working with us. We should be stepping up to take some kind of action to indicate, certainly this trial is a big piece of that, but we should be coming together to say the president did not have the power. He broke the law. Its very clear in appropriations. We actually under this president have had to reiterate and put bang in appropriation bills. You must spend the dollars on this purpose. So its serious. As you are sharing these thoughts with me, senator, Kellyanne Conway is sharing her thoughts with my colleague Kelly Odonnell who is texting me. She says conway is pointing out she is glad ukraine got military aid money before the deadline anyway. Is that a reasonable argument from the white house in your view . No. Its what i would expect. One of the reasons that having critical key witnesses and documents is so important is to be able to give the United States senate the information we need about what really happened. The president s chief of staff, acting chief of staff. The management and budget officials who withheld the funding and then indicated this was at the direction of the president of the United States. The former National Security adviser, so what were asking for is a fair and open trial. Were asking for fairness and honesty. I believe thats what the American People expect. You mention you want to get information you feel like you need. I wonder if that information may come from lev parnas. I dont know how much youve seen of his interview with Rachel Maddow. It is extensive and there are many implications to that interview. Do you think its imperative for congress to hear from parnas who, by the way, said he would be open to appearing as a witness. Thats something we will be discussing to determine the approach. I saw the interview. It was incredible. Rachel did an incredible job. I thought he was credible in the sense that the way he talked about it. I thought was very interesting. Theres lots of pieces. Here is my hope. Yesterday i was there when the house brought over the articles of impeachment. Everybody told me this was going to be a time when people felt solemn and sober about it and were sitting there, almost every democratic chair was filled. I believe other than the republican leader i only saw one republican colleague on the floor. When they said the impeachment of donald john trump, president of the United States, i literally felt this wi waive co over me. This is real, serious, an obligation on behalf of the country. I know my colleagues on the democratic side feel that. Im hopeful that as we go forward today we sign the oath. Not only are we sworn in but we have to sign individually the oath. By the way, we are allowed to keep the pen that the republican leader said was a gift that nancy pelosi was doing. We sign it. Its historic. I hope my republican colleagues will feel the gravity of the moment and step up. They have a choice. Get the truth with witnesses and documents or hide the truth. They are going to have to decide. Senator, thank you. Im out of time. I have to ask in 10 seconds or less, talk about witness reciprocity. Would you as a democrat be willing to accept witness reciprocity if there was a guarantee you could get somebody like john bolton if somebody like hunter biden was called. Absolutely not. If it was relevant. Any relevant witness with information about what the president did to illegally withhold military aid to a country fighting the russians and needed our help, anyone who has knowledge, doesnt matter who we want to her if they are relevant to that. The witch hunt, the politics involved in this, no. Senator Debbie Stabenow i appreciate your time on what we know is a busy one for us. Thank you. All the action is on capitol hill today. Truly it is where nancy pelosi is going to brief reporters 20 minutes from now. Where another piece of news made by a republican. Talking about liz cheney, current conference chair. Shes saying shes not running for open seat in wyoming. Could be maybe shes part of leadership end up being speaker of the house someday. 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New neutrogena® bright boost with dullnessfighting neoglucosamine. Boosts cell turnover by 10 times for instantly brighter skin. Bright boost neutrogena®. We are back with a lot of blnz this morning. Not just that new report from Government Accountability office saying the Trump Administration violated the law by Holding Ukrainian military aid. Something e parnas, Rudy Giuliani righthand man in ukraine but theaim. Watch. Do you know if mr. Giuliani was ever in contact with ukrain announce investigations into joe biden. Absolutely. Mr. Barr knew about that. Mr. Barr had to know everything. Its impossible. 100 false is the reaction from a Justice Department spokeswoman. I want to bring somebody who knows the department well chuck rosenberg, chief of staff and msnbc contributor. Chuck, how do you want pieces together on what you heard from lev parnas and now bill barr. Have to be careful, spent a lifetime with informants. Lets remind people he got arrest prosecuted. Hes under indictment. Hes not a convicted felon but alleged flown. Hallie, i spent a lifetime with people like this. You have to be so careful to corroborate what he said. Here is how i would put it, i dont trust him but that doesnt mean hes lying. A lot of what he said to Rachel Maddow was secondhand information. He spoke directly with mr. Giuliani all the time. He didnt speak with barr, mr. Trump about the facts central to this case. He spoke with giuliani. Firsthand information there might be credible and might be corroborated. Secondhand information, one step away, one jump away, much more difficult. The piece he brought receipts, gave receipts to house investigators. That helps. All those documents help. Thats how you corroborate a story. You do it with documents and other witnesses. Do you want to talk to a guy like lev parnas . Absolutely. Would you be making a mistake if you wholesale took what he said to the bank . Absolutely absolutely. The pendulum swinging the other way from the white house. Play what the press secretary had to say. This is a man under indictment and actually out on bail. This is a man who owns a Company Called fraud ink. Thats something people should be thinking about. Something you should be thinking about. Again, you need to be careful as a prosecutor or agent when you deal with people like lev parnas. It doesnt mean hes lying but he has an incentive to tell the story thats going to get him out of trouble. Theres a weird fact here, by the way. Hes not apparently cooperating with the Southern District of new york. He doesnt seem like he has a Cooperation Agreement with them. Why do i say that . If he did, theres no chance in the world he would be talking publicly on msnbc about the stuff he knows. Thats a good point. Why dont prosecutors want to sign him up to a Cooperation Agreement . It might be they dont find him credib credible, valuable and might be both. I think there are lots of unanswered questions. We also have to be careful as agents and prosecutors of merely accepting stories that fit into a framework we believe to be true. Theres a Confirmation Bias Problem here. We hear things that sound right, that resonate, that sound like other things weve heard before so we tend to credit. The first thing we have to do is corroborate it. Thats smart scepticism and important to note. Thank you so much, chuck, on your analysis and input. Parnas says he wants to testify in front of congress as those lawmakers in the senate get sworn in. Impeachment for the candidates for president they will be sworn in. For two of those senators it is Something Else that is becoming frankly part of their state of play with no comment from Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren and their campaigns now that audio is out. Out of that intense looking exchange after tuesday nights debate. Here it is. You dont have to lipread. You can hear it for yourself. I think you called me a liar on national tv . What . I think you called me a liar on national tv. Lets not do it now. You called me you told me lets not have this discussion right now. I want to say hi. Okay. Set aside the awkward moment from tom steyer, it has people worried sanders and warren will destroy each other and pave the way for somebody more moderate like joe biden. We cant have it a suicide pact. Does it take the eye off the ultimate ball for democrats, which is beating donald trump . Here is samantha b . Thats it . Thats whats dominated our National Discourse for 36 hours. Two great candidates, who are a little sad and disappointed in each other over a misunderstanding. If we make enemies now, the fight wont be whether a woman will ever be president it will be whether anyone else will ever be president again. Ali vitali fresh off a plane from iowa. Senator editor mark murray. You dont look jet lagged at all, al. Tell us what were hearing or frankly not hearing from the warren campaign. Its the not hearing. Bernie sanders camped out on the hill, he ignored questions this morning. He did . He was asked and ignored it. They were asked, deescalate was the word on the debate stable. They mostly were aware to do this until this off mic moment. At least they not it was off mic. Clearly now the people were hearing from are progressive groups. A lot of consternation when the fight was bubbling up, how it would manifest on the debate stage. They felt good as soon as the hatch was buried. Now were hearing from them today. We have a small statement. A Coalition Said our best chance of defeating donald trump does not lie in establishment or corporate democrat, thats the argument progress i was have been making the whole time. Sanders and warren, as well as their campaigns and supporters will need to find ways to cooperate. I think theres a lot of concern about what this does especially in regards to Bernie Sanders. When it first bubbled up, the thing Elizabeth Warren said we dont need factionism. 2016 looms large. Bringing this up, this specter of 2016 and what splinters from a primary can do later on, democrats are scared about that, especially because all they want to do is beat donald trump. You are hearing that. Mark, i pose this question to you. Theres a point made by people on the left who say why are you even talking about this . Well argue this is a media hyped story fanning flames because they like conflict between candidates. That is a shiny argument and not eye on the ball for Democratic Candidates and people who support them. Two things true. Most democratic primary voters want to hear about health care, who best to take on donald trump. On the other hand this is one of the most dramatic moments weve seen so far in a very tame, democratic primary. Even that framing people take exception to, drama versus tame. Shouldnt policy be boring. Shouldnt this be a boring primary you hear people asking. Theres been a tremendous amount of policy discussion, more than ever before. Let me pose this to you. In 2008 hot mic had Hillary Clinton gone up to barack obama and said you just called me a liar on the debate stage, that would have been two weeks or three weeks worth of coverage. So this is a dramatic moment. These kind of dramatic moments do play out along with policy and other electability concerns. I will say i do think theres the aspect we rare talk about with candidates, they are human. These are two people who for a long time said were friends, we dont want to talk about it on the campaign trail. On the debate stage each was calling the other a liar, they had two on the record opinions about what this conversation was that were diametrically opposed. Kind of makes sense this is where it was going. Do you think warren knew the mic was on, seconds after the debate, applause going on p. People micced all the time, i think its understood you could forget. I try not to jump in and think i know the mindset of my candidates. Its anybodys guess. Clearly the strategy was dont make it worse for any candidates on the stage. They both managed to do that and get through the exchange. This doesnt feel like it was part of the strategy. I think it was just a human moment. They were frustrated. The underlying piece of this. The underlying thing is about women and this issue Elizabeth Warren and Amy Klobuchar on the debate stage this talked about. Here is what senator klobuchar said we have toith the fact some people think we cant win. Ive heard about a noticed it. Thats the fundamental underpinning of this. Setting ling