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It all on this friday. Lots to get to this morning. We start with the clock ticking until Robert Mueller submits his report to the attorney general. Theres a lot to Pay Attention to and several Big Questions that need answers. First, at any moment today really any moment, were expecting muellers office to submit a sentencing memo in Paul Manaforts d. C. Case. And key Unanswered Questions about manafort as it relates to the special counsel include did he really share Trump Campaign polling data with a russian . It comes as Michael Cohen gets ready for a marathon stretch in front of Congress Next week with three different appearances. And a key unanswered question for him was donald trump compromised in his business dealings with russia . And then there was roger stone. Getting used to the sound of silence after a dramatic back and forth on the stand about his instagram habits. Stone apologized for his own stupidity and called that inflammatory post a momentary lapse of judgment saying i honestly didnt believe there were cross hairs in the pictures of the judges pace. I took it down because it could be misinterpreted. The judge said i gave you a second chance. This is not baseball. You dont get a third chance. An unanswered question about stone. We dont know who on the Trump Campaign directed him to get information from wikileaks. My colleague Geoff Bennett is at the white house. Julia ainsley is outside the department of Justice Building here in washington and geoff, let me start with you. The white house this morning fielding a bunch of questions about Robert Mueller, this report, the timing, and the president s perspective on it. Thats right, hallie. The special counsel report could drop any day or any minute. The president s outside legal team are bracing for the potential fallout. The white house, earlier this morning we caught up with Sarah Huckabee sanders. She said perhaps theres no surprise she expects the Mueller Report to find there was no collusion between the president s campaign and the russians. We asked her if thats the case, why wont the president call to make that report public . Wouldnt he want to be exonerated publicly. She said that decision rests squarely with the attorney general, bill barr, which is true. Heres a bit more of what sanders had to say this morning. Look, i think were always prepared for a number of things that come at us. Right now our focus is not on the Mueller Report, but its on doing our jobs. And the president s outside attorney, rudy giuliani, is weighing in on this as well. He says that he might come up with a report on his own depending on what this special counsel finds. Rudy giuliani said if mueller clears the president , we walk away and say thank you. If its damaging, then well respond. Politically you have democrats saying theyre going to put pressure on the president and his administration to make this report public. They want to pursue any stray leads to find out if the president is in any way compromised. As this investigation wraps up, the political stakes are as high as ever. Julia, we expect the sentencing. We dont have a lot of timing guidance as it relates to paul manafort. What might we find out given this is one of the last things mueller will do before turning the report in to bill barr . Reporter thats right. The public time line is the last thing we know mueller has on his agenda. This could go one of two ways. This could be the shoe that drops where we get a lot of information about russians that manafort worked with as well as Trump Campaign officials who knew about those connections. Obviously manaforts connections to kilimnik and others are of chief interest. There is a way muellers team has gone in the past where they redact a lot and little is made public. Theyll file one under seal with all the information. They want the judge to know going into sentencing and then what they release to the public could be very heavily redacted. They have until midnight to file that. So we will be here waiting for that. Its another friday with news that were expecting from Robert Mueller. Who knows where this could go next. Thats for sure. Julia, i hope youre getting takeout for lunch and dinner. Thank you to jewulia and geoff. Let me bring in jim walden, kimberly atkins, and jeff mason. Jill, let me start with you. There is the potential for Robert Mueller to reveal kind of a lot in this sentencing memo. Do you think he will . I think he has in the past given us a lot of clues in indictments and in sentencing memos. So theres no reason to suspect that he wont. I just dont know that this is his last word on any of this. And im not one of those who believes that for sure theres going to be a report next week. Why not . Because theres still a lot to be done that needs to be wrapped up. So thats why i would think it isnt ready even if he does issue a report, i still think we need public hearings. The public needs to see witnesses themselves and judge their credibility, their body language, everything that you get that you dont get in a report. There is somebody that we will all see next week, Michael Cohen, the president s former attorney who is going to appear multiple times on capitol hill. While the president is overseas in vietnam for that summit with kim jongun. Jim, i want to play a little bit of Garrett Haake trying to catch up with Michael Cohen on capitol hill. He was there yesterday for unclear reasons. Let me play you a little bit of that. Mr. Cohen, why were you on the hill today . Were you meeting with the senate intel team . Whats the message to the president about the Mueller Report . So nothing. Nada from Michael Cohen. He didnt say anything. What do you think he might say next week . Whats the expectation for what he might learn . Well, the senate, when he testifies, there are going to be some handcuffs on him. He cant go into anything having to do are russia at all. Hes going to talk about the hush money and the president s business dealings. And i think that hes going to go into a lot of very particular detail to try and enhance his credibility and to tell the story that he was an insider. He was part of the conspiracy, and he wants to people to know the president is guilty. And jim, do you think his appearance on capitol hill over the last 24 hours might have been related to his appearance next week . Why might he have been out there . He didnt tell garrett. What do you think somebody. These things are usually pretty carefully orchestrated. The senate and house will have staffers that meet with him in advance. Talk to him about the questions they plan to ask. Talk to him about his answers. Make sure there arent huge surprises. Surprises really arent in anyones interest. Thats my guess as to why he was there. Jeff and kimberly, we leave sunday to go to vietnam. Were going to be overseas, our white house team. While all of this is going down with cohen, how does that play in the public sphere . Youre going to have a split screen of dump overseas, Michael Cohen back here at home on the hill . I think on one level it adds to the reality show aspect of his presidency. The white house is keeping that in mind as it prepares for next week. I was sitting in an Officials Office yesterday who said hes been arguing to be added to the air force one manifest because being on the support plane would mean being away from the action if all of this starts breaking while were flying to vietnam. Yeah. And it will affect the president s reaction to all of this. We know on the overseas trips, he tends to tweet a little less. Hes a little bit busy. And this is one of several things thats going on including the hill considering this bill to reject the Emergency Declaration. The fact that he is away from washington when you think about the potential volatility of his twitter account may work in his favor. T not juits not just the mi cohen testimony. We dont know the timing when the Mueller Report is turned over the bill barr. Jill, you said this week bill barr, the attorney general who will receive notification of the report is not bound by the rules. You said he is the rule maker. Explain that. Well, it seems to me that since the rules were created by the department of justice, that he is the head of the department of justice, could alter the rules if he felt that they unfairly impeded him. On the other hand, the rules do allow him some discretion. So he could make more public than people are expecting he might. We have the conflict between the memo he wrote in advance sort of in addition to be the attorney general which made clear he thought very little of the mueller team and its investigation, that he thought that the president could not be indicted for obstruction. Things that i do not agree with at all. He did back away a little during his testimony for confirmation, but there are many ways to make this public. I keep urging that what happened in water gate was people knew the facts. They had had the senate hearings. They had some indictments from us that laid out some facts. That made them ready to believe the articles of impeachment and to support the impeachment. Im not saying we have evidence here, because i dont know what the evidence is for impeachment, but either way, whether its going to tell people who are the democrats that the president is not guilty or its going to tell the republicans that he is, it needs to be public so that we can evaluate it ourselves. I think thats a very important element of democracy. Theres also an important element here. Jim, of a reality check, on what this report is and is not going to be. Its going to be a short summary that simply says here is who he talked about more and who he didnt. And heres why. This is not the star report which was not issued under doj supervision. It was nearly 500 pages. Made public at the same time it was sent to congress. This is not that. That is not what this report is going to be, and yet, there seems to be a widespread public expectation that it will be. I agree, and i agree with jill. We can expect a couple things. The report that ultimately goes to congress is going to be very short. It has to by the regulations. Barr has a lot of discretion and mueller has a lot of discretion. I think theres going to be some detail in there, and the real rub to me is whether or not it is going to expose a smoking gun. The public was ready to accept water gate because there was a smoking gun. If theres no smoking gun here, but circumstantial evidence of obstruction or collusion, thats where it gets really interesting to see whether or not those details are somehow alluded to or reported in whatever report goes. Jim, kimberly, jeff, stick around. Jill, thank you for coming on. We want to get to developing news on capitol hill. House democrats are introduced a resolution to block president Trumps National Emergency Declaration. I want to get to Garrett Haake on the hill. Garrett, talk timing here. Give us a reality check on whether this thing has any chance of working out like democrats want it to. Reporter sure. This resolution was just introduced this morning by congressman of texas, the chair of the hispanic caucus. Hes one of the Top Democrats on this issue. I was just on a conference call. He said he and his staff have been working on this for about six weeks to make sure they come up with the right constitutional off switch. He said hes up to 226 or 227 cosponsors. Thats enough in and of itself to pass the house. He says he has one republican on board so far. But to be more than just a political statement, this would have to pass the senate as well. And it would to be functionally enforced, it would have to override a president ial veto. They would need to get the twothirds majority in both bodies. The way this is structured, it will move quickly through the house. I will move to the senate. And thats going to be the really interesting test. Theres been maybe six to ten republican senators who have spoken out. Fairly strongly already so far in opposition to the president s Emergency Declaration. Are they willing to put their votes where their mouths are and vote with this, knowing its vetoed by the president and will split the Republican Party but sends a strong signal . Thats what were going to watch over the next few weeks. Garrett, thank you. Coming up, whats behind in t new decision in u. S. Troop levels in syria. Our Richard Engel speaking exclusively with the woman of isis bride now being barred from coming back to the u. S. Were about to go live to richard from syria coming up. What do you want to do if you went back to the states. What do you think will happen to you if you were allowed to go back . Wed to go back i felt i couldnt be at my best wifor my family. C, in only 8 weeks with mavyret, i was cured and left those doubts behind. I faced reminders of my hep c every day. But in only 8 weeks with mavyret, i was cured. Even hanging with friends i worried about my hep c. But in only 8 weeks with mavyret, i was cured. 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We have won against isis, and now its time for our troops to come back home. Our boys, our young women, our men, theyre all coming back, and theyre coming back now. Two months after saying that, the white house is saying something else. That about 200 u. S. Troops will remain in syria even after most of the rest of the military withdrawals. It comes a day after the Washington Post quoted u. S. And foreign officials who said our european allies had rejected a request from the Trump Administration to send their own troops to basically pick up the slack once american troops leave. It comes as nbc news speaks exclusively with a socalled isis bride in her first interview since being told she cannot come back to the u. S. Thats after she headed overseas to join isis in 2014. This morning shes talking with our chief Foreign Correspondent in her first interview since learning about the state departments decision. Watch. Im sure theres no problem. I know my lawyer hopefully is working on it, and he will win the case. Do you think youll be able to go back to the United States . Do you want to go to the United States . I prefer america other than anywhere else. What do you what do you want to do if you went back to the states . What do you think will happen to you if you were allowed to go back . Of course, ill be given jail time. Richard engel is joining us live from syria. Thank you for being with us. Youre just back from the interview. Can you tell us more about that conversation you had . Reporter hallie, i lost you for one second. Let me tell you a little bit more about the interview i had. I couldnt hear the last bit of your questions. We met her inside a camp, inside a detention facility in a camp, i should say. There are about 40,000 displaced people at the camp, but inside the detention wing there are about 1600 all foreigners isis family members. Suspected people, wives and children of isis fighters. And inside this camp people cant leave. Shes not allowed to leave there. It is under supervised control run by the camp guards who are part of the kurdishled force here, the force fighting against isis. We spoke with her. She said that she desperately wants to go back home. She says she was brainwashed by isis propaganda. She says that now she has changed. She regrets what she did. I showed her that clip from the today show yesterday in which secretary of state pompeo said well, shes not a u. S. Citizen anymore. She shouldnt have been issued a passport, she cant come here. Her reaction was she hopes her lawyer can settle it. Whats interesting about her case is there are quite a few others like it. 1600 wives and children in this one camp that i visited today from 48 countries, and there are two other camps just like it. Richard, i know the koms are tricky, but i want to ask you about the decision the white house announced regarding troops in syria leaving about 200 members in the military there. The white house tried to frame this as peace keepers. Talk about how this decision affects the overall fight against isis here. Well, it seems like a very small decision, 200 troops compared to about 2000 u. S. Troops who are here right now. But it is quite significant. I spoke earlier today in addition to talking to her. I also met earlier with the chief kurdish commander of the kurdishled force that is leading the fight with american support. By the way, he said that the war against isis militarily is now over, that they are just waiting for a formal announcement. He was very upbeat. I had spoken to him about a month ago when President Trump said that all american troops were going to leave syria. At that time he was depressed. He thought it was game over, that isis would return, that the kurdish project here in this part of syria where i am was over, that the Kurdish People would be massacred. Today he thinks there is a chance that this residual force will be enough to bring other members of the international coalition. He says with 200 americans staying that the brits and the french will also keep their troops in here. So he thinks there will be hundreds of foreign troops here and that will ensure that the fight against isis continues. So it might seem like a small number, but these troops also have access to equipment, air strikes, intelligence. They are much more significant than their numbers might suggest. Richard engel live for us on the ground in syria. Richard, thank you so much. You can see more of richards reporting tonight on msnbc nightly news. Dont miss it. On this show, a live look at new orleans at an event all about the power and influence of black women. Today one president ial candidate is stopping by along with another high profile democrat. Well take you there live after the break. Ive after the break. I hear it in the background and shes watching too, saying [indistinct conversation] [friend] ive never seen that before. I have. [cell phone rings] where are you . Well the squirrels are back in the attic. Mom . Your dad wont call an exterminator. Can i call you back, mom . He says its personal this time. If youre a mom, you call at the worst time. Its what you do. If you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. Its what you do. Where are you . Its very loud there. Are you taking a zumba class . News just in on the house vote to block the National Emergency situation by the president. The vote is going to happen on tuesday. Its all but certain to pass the house. Then everybody is looking to the senate. Theyll have to vote on it. Also in new orleans, a live look at this years power rising summit. In the next maybe five minutes or so, Stacey Abrams is expected to take the stage followed by kamala harris. Shes making her pitch to a core constituency that helped propel former president obama in 2008. Thats after she sat down with reverend sharpton yesterday. Thats the same place he took senator obama in 2007. Harris had chicken and waffles. Also on the menu, criminal Justice Reform and voting rights. Surrounded by reporters, shorten stopped short of any endorsements for 2020 just yet. Joining me here in washington former dnc Senior Adviser and the panel. Ali, i hear cheering behind you. Is someone taking the stage . Soon. Stacey abrams first and then kamala harris. Those two women, you see an interesting thing happening, especially at an event like this celebrating black women in power. Theres two things im looking at. First, everyone is wondering whats next for Stacey Abrams after she made that georgia governors race so close. It gave democrats nationally a sense thats a state they want to target in 2020. They dont know if theyre going to have having her on the ground helping them do that running against purdue. Whatever she says should be taken note of. The Democratic Party has given her such a platform. She is someone who is party is looking to as paving a path forward for them in 2020 and beyond. And then senator kamala harris, shes running for president. One of the states everyone is looking to her for is south carolina. Shes trying to make her main constituency and in talking to the Campaign Just before the event, thats kind of the point theyre trying to make by coming to events like this. This is a group offe voters tha senator harris compaares about. It may not be as policy driven today, but it will be her pitching her bio to this group of black women behind me. Ali will be there all morning. Harris is well positioned, but interviews with more than 30 vote blackers and political leaders show that the senator faces challenges. Shell have to persuade black activists and win over leftleaning young black voters, some of whom ace disenchanted w obamas presidency. Shes started her campaign at howard university. She met with her sorority sisters. Shes done events with African American women, Small Business owners. Shes in new orleans today. Shes putting a serious focus on reaching out to African American women. Shes not just assuming that because shes a black woman those votes are going to be there for her. Shes done a good job of stocking her campaign at the senior levels with African American women and latinos. Shes got 12 women of color in significant positions and that means a lot when youre figuring out your strategy of how to get to the nomination. Its also worth noting its not just black candidates winning over black voters. Right. Its going to be this is a swing vote for everyone out there. And if you look at south carolina, a third of the electorate in 2016 during that primary was African American women. If you want to win that primary, whether youre joe biden or or kamala harris. If you want to win the general election, you have to build that support. Its hard without getting a significant amount of support not just from black people, from hispanic people and other margin alized communities that have been disenchanted and havent been energized and engaged in past campaigns the way that some folks would like on the democratic side. There was a lot of disappointment that even in the primaries in the midterms saying that democrats could have done even better had they done a better job. And its issues that have come to the forefront in a way we havent seen in the past. You have also the reporting on how harris and Elizabeth Warren talk about how they support reparations now. This is something that barack obama didnt touch. Hillary clinton, this was not an issue in past elections. It is being talked about more and more. Absolutely. The fact that two leading president ial candidates are saying thats something they support is remarkable. Its been remarkable to watch the Democratic Party start to engage on issues that for many years they didnt. One of them is a big one, gun control. It wasnt that long ago you didnt have democrats getting behind gun control. Same on the death penalty. Thats coming up a little bit more and more. But certainly for issues that effect the African American p population. To hear two candidates talk about reparations is incredible. After what we talked about, with the rev and harris. He defended harriss record as a prosecutor. This is something she continues to be asked about. We want to see crime prosecuted, but not unfairly. And her record as the District Attorney and the attorney general, she clearly has laid out where she did programs to try and bring people back in and to work on these things. Look, rev is a very important voice in the Democratic Party. My understanding from talking from him is that hes likely not going to endorse until after his National Action Network Conference in april. But senator harris is definitely high on his list. He brings both a platform on this network. Hes got a very popular radio show, and he is the leader of an organization that hundreds of thousands of members and chapters across the country. Having his support is going to be very important. For senator harris, its a tough line for her to walk. Being about criminal Justice Reform is a big democratic issue when youre on the prosecutor side and have a record of that, its easy for it to be torn apart. Something else harris has had to talk about is Jussie Smollett after her initial comments. We have breaking news recording smollett. An update on his future on his tv show. On empire. Were hearing from the executive producers. I want to have Miguel Almaguer join us. Hes been all over this story. Miguel, it sounds as though smollett will not come back this season on the show. Right . Fill us in. Thats right. At least for the last few episodes, he will not return. The Statement Released a short time ago saying they spoke to smollett yesterday. He was on the set of empire. Though he denies all the allegations that Chicago Police are making, theyve made the decision its best for the cast saying for the last two episodes smollett will not play a role, his character will not be in the last two episodes. Obviously that opened several questions. What is left with his remaining future with that show . Many are calling for him to be fired from empire. If not, a boycott of the network because smollett faces serious allegations of filing a false police report. A class 4 felonies. Investigators say he did it. What about the reports that smollett went and visited his cast mates on em papire aftere crazy scrum yesterday . Thats right. There was a scrum trying to follow smollett out of the jail facility into a waiting car. Helicopters followed that waiting car onto a production lot where empire was shot. You can see smollett enter the stage in that area and likely go into what we believe was a cast meeting. There are several reports not verified yet by nbc news that he denied all the allegations to the cast. Many people have said that they do feel they do believe hes being honest but clearly police laid out a meticulous case. They say this Television Actor simp simple faces serious simply faces serious allegations. Let me read a piece of that statement from the producers. The events of the past few weeks have been incredibly emotional for all of us. These are from the executive producers of empire. They say he has been an important part of our empire family and we care about him deeply. While the allegations are disturbing, were placing our trust in the legal system. We are also aware of the effects of this process on the cast and crew members who work on our show, and to avoid further disruption onset, we have decided to remove the role of jamaal from the final two episodes of the season. And miguel, i know that this has come up already in hollywood, for example, that some of the preoscar events. You have the biggest hollywood show this weekend, and these questions and these concerns about smollett that are coming to the forefront right ahead of it. Yeah. I can tell you just yesterday tyler perry posted on his Instagram Page he had personally spoken to joussie smollett and e was adamant about denying the allegations and he wanted to believe him, but there is so much evidence. They will be asked questions about the actor. Its a huge story developing not just obviously in hollywood but across the country. Thats for sure. Miguel, great to have your perspective and reporting on the show. Thank you. Coming up later. A judge says the feds broke the law over a secret plea deal with the political power player, Jeffrey Epstein, accused of molesting dozens of underage girls. Now, someone in the president s cabinet who made the deal. Presi cabinet who made the deal. Make us better people. With audible, you get more. Two Audible Originals exclusive titles you cant find anywhere else. Plus a credit good for any audiobook and exclusive fitness and wellness programs. All with our commitment free guarantee and always ad free. The most inspiring minds. The most compelling stories. The best place to listen. Download audible and start your free trial today. I saw my leg did not look right. I landed. I was just finishing a ride. I felt this awful pain in my chest. I had a pe blood clot in my lung. I was scared. 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His appetite was insatiable. He couldnt stop. He wanted new, fresh young feys every day. I started going to him when i was 14, 15. Reporter a federal judge in florida ruled late thursday while the deal with epstein was in the works acosta deliberately failed to tell the victims of their lawyers. That meant they had no opportunity to object before the deal was done. One that allowed epstein to paid guilty only to state charges that brought him 13 months in jail, much of it spent outside on work release. In fact, the judge said acosta and his team misled the victims to believe that federal prosecution was still a possibility. The judge did not rule on whether the plea deal was impropimpro improper. The judge is asking both sides to suggest what should be done now as a result of the ruling. Its not clear what they might be. Pete williams is joining us. Joining us jim walden. Jim jim, what happens now . The federal government is now investigating both the process that led to this crazy plea deal and whether or not there are additional charges dha can be brought. The chances of them undoing the prior plea seems extremely remote to me, but it does seem to me as though assuming that victims are now willing to come forward and testify, that new charges could be brought. What about those victims . What recourse do they have . Some of them have already sued. Some of them may sue. This is an extremely disappointing result. You dont expect this from the department of justice. Victims expect the department of justice to have their back. Instead they turned a blind eye to victims of sex trafficking and prostitution of minors, more than 30 of them. The victims are rightfully outraged. Secretary acosta did not have a comment. We reached out to the labor department. They say the plea deal with epstein followed the rules and was reviewed by leadership at the time. Do you think the doj needs to review how plea deals like this are put together . That statement rings hallow. I cant believe in a sex trafficking case, that there was high level oversight of this deal. What part the department of justice certainly didnt know about is that there was a clear effort to mislead and lie to the victims who were trying to seek justice. I believe wholeheartedly that a full throated in respect general investigation is warranted here. I hope it concludes. Jim walden, i appreciate your perspective on the show. Thank you. Coming up, the 2018 election for one house seat in North Carolina is officially getting a do over after evidence of major voter fraud. The big question . Will the republican candidate at the center of it all run again . For your heart. Your joints. Or your digestion. So why wouldnt you take something for the most important part of you. Your brain. 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Its become clear to me the publics confidence in the general election has been undermined to an extent that a new election is warranted. Harris reiterates he did not know what the political operative was up to and has not said whether he will run again. The democrat in the race says hes going to raise money for it. We have been following the story since the start from raleigh, North Carolina. Lee ann, harriss lawyer says its a premature question about whether hes going to run again. Whats your sense . Reporter hallie, theres been no official announcement, but i dont see how but i dont see how harris does run. Theres a lot of things going on with harris. First, hes tainted now with this entire hearing and investigation and scandal surrounding him and these absentee ballots. Secondly, on the witness stand, he almost perjured himself until his attorney had to stand up and intervene to make sure he didnt. Thirdly, hes very sick. He just had a couple strokes last month. And finally, hes broke. He is in debt from his last campaign. Its going to be very difficult for him to raise money for a new election. So hes not really a viable candidate. So he has a really uphill battle even if he decides to jump in the race. But i suspect that hes going to bow out. You really laid it out there. The family pace of it is interesting, too, because it is so emotional. I think it was very emotional when you saw that testimony from harris son, probably a little embarrassing, to see the least for mark harris, as well. I want to play a little piece of this here. I love my dad and i love my mom. Okay . I certainly have no vendetta against them, no family scores to settle, okay . I think they made mistakes in this process and they certainly did things differently than i would have done them. And jeff mason, i also want to bring you into this conversation along with kimberly here. You saw that unfold this week in North Carolina. It was very high profile. Yet we have not heard from the president , despite the white house putting together almost enough to remember that Voter Fraud Panel that the white house put together. Yeah. I think thats remarkable. I can almost guarantee you to the extent that a person can, that if this were a democrat and the president were watching this, that he would have weighed in significantly and used it as an example or as a platform to talk about voter fraud, which he did at the very beginning of his administration. You havent heard from him and you have to wonder if that is because hes a member of his own party. I want to talk about this briefly on the show. The Des Moines Register reporting congressman steve king is going to run for reelection in 2020 and he says he has nothing to apologize for. Three republicans are like were primarying you. Steve king, i think people have to realize hes been elected nine times. So and he has a long history of making very controversial and racist comments. So if he has won before, he obviously believes that that is not an impediment for him and that his constituents are behind him. Although this is the first time hes been kicked off all those committees. And he is being primaried. So it wont be easy, but in his mind, its not tough to understand why hes running. The party is not buying it. Yeah. But that doesnt meteoroloan cant win. Leeann, thank you so much for that great reporting. We appreciate you being on the show. Well be right back with what our sources are saying in todays big picture. R sources a todays big picture. door bell rings its open hey. This is amazing. With moderate to severe ulcerative colitis, are you okay . Even when i was there, i never knew when my symptoms would keep us apart. So i talked to my doctor about humira. I learned humira can help get, and keep uc under control when other medications havent worked well enough. And it helps people achieve control that lasts. So you can experience few or no symptoms. 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Kimberly and jeff are back with us. Kimberly, what are you hearing from your sources in washington . Ive been talking to democratic sources ahead of this vote on this resolution to denounce this Emergency Declaration that the president has declared. And democrats are feeling pretty confident, actually, that they are going on to get enough republican support to at least get it passed, whether it gets passed to that veto proof majority is something different, but to at least get it passed because a lot of republicans, particularly those that have military bases or military projects in their districts, thats where this support is going to come from. It doesnt sit well with them. They know it wont sit well with their constituents and they may get on board. Jeff, what are you working on . Were both going to vietnam next week. Are you packed . No, last minute packer. And one of the main things that was a theme in singapore is denuclearzation. But the two sides dont necessarily mean what denuclearzation mean. The white house wants kim jongun to get rid of all missiles, no more nuclear testing. But he may understand the u. S. Removing the Nuclear Umbrella it offers to south korea from the entire korean peninsula. Thats something sources are saying they have to get worked out. Before this meeting or after . Either before or after. It is ambitious and its key. What theyre asking kim to do, but also what he expects or may expect in return. One u. S. Official said yesterday a discussion of removing u. S. Troops from south korea was not on the table, but President Trump has hinted about that before, that that is something that he would consider. And he has made very clear that he sees this relationship with kim jongun as critical and as one that hes proud of. So its just hard to say what he may or may not agree to at the summit. We will be watching that. You and i will be in the oval office representing the pool later on this afternoon when President Trump visits with the vice premier of china. Theyre talking trade. Theyre talking trade. Jeff, kimberly, pleasure to have you on the show. Thank you very much. Here youre looking at a hand drawn side inside a prison there. Its from nbc news going inside one of americas harshest isolation units after an inmate exposed the reality of being there. You can see the hand drawn letters help on the wall. The photographer here is that social psychologist, craig haney. See much more of this investigative report from nbc news on nbc. Com. You can chat with me online, twitter, facebook. That does it for me today. And actually, the next time i see you well by live from hanoi. This show going on the road big time, going on the plane, i guess. That does it for this hour of nbc live. Craig melvin, the next time we do this handover, ill be halfway around the world from you. Safe travels, my friend. Safe travels. We look forward to seeing you reporting from there in vietnam. Good friday to you. Craig melvin here in the msnbc headquarters. Waiting game, the world anxiously awaits the moment when Robert Mueller will finally submit his final report on the russia investigation after 22 months and counting. And as we wait, several Big Questions, including what will we actually learn from that report . And how much of it will be made public . Also up against the wall, democrats gearing up to terminate the president s National Emergency declaration, but will this resolution ultimately hit a wall of its own . And challenging trump, republican governor larry hogan, now blasting the rnc for unprecedented steps to protect President Trump from potential primary challengers. Larry hogan talking a lot lately. Is it a sign that he may be gearing up to give the president a serious challn