White house, ken dilanyan in the washington bureau. Epic news week and the president is talking about all of this in this interview . Hes making a nonmarvel argument that what he pled to is in fact not a crime. The president of the United StatesIsnt The Ar Bitter of that. Its judges and prosecutors that decide and a jury that decides whether or not something is a crime. Also in that interview, you had a frank admission from the president that he made the payments. Hes trying to clarify things and make sure this wasnt a Campaign Violation but listen to what he had to say and well come back on the back end. He made the deals. And by the way, he pled to two counts that arent a crime, which nobody understands. I watched a number of shows. Sometimes you get pretty good information by watching shows. Those two counts arent even a crime. They werent campaign finance. Did you know about the payments . Later on i knew. Later on. But you have to understand, what
Coverage of national and international news, including breaking stories. The edwards kasz. Ken, thank you. Let me bring in former federal prosecutor, seth waxman and anna palmer and White House Correspondent for the msnbc news hour and friends of the show. Si seth, The Edwards Case is being used by defenders of the president to say see, he did nothing wrong if you compare it. Explain this, did or did not the president implicate himself in this fox news interview . Slootly absolutely he did. Michael cohen testified under oath in a plea that he engaged in criminal conduct and identified the president as a cocon spir tore. With with regards to comments hes making this morning, that could be tanamount to witness tampering. It it could be . Yeah, they been arguing in fact he did nothing wrong that we decided to put it together
me on ten counts, mr. Manafort on ten counts, i think misses the point entirely. Mr. Manafort is facing a potential Life Sentence and the question is will he cooperate with federal law enforcement. The president s legal team will say and has argued this idea that people who come on television, for example and say that the president did something wrong and did something illegal and point to the comments like what he made this morning are base beingally Grasping At Straws and making this argument relating to impeachment about this, all of this having democrats get the question are you going to i am beach the president . Democrats dont want to talk about impeachment. The president did talk about it. Heres what he said. I dont know how you can impeach somebody who has done a great job. Ill tell you what, if i ever got impeached, i think the market would crash and everybody would be very poor because without this thinking, you would see you would see numbers that you wouldnt believe in
its over. Lets bring anna into conversation here. It seems theres a sense of were going to keep on working day to day but you cant get rid of the news happening related to the president s former aides. I think everybody is walking on egg shells and waiting for the president to explode potentially on twitter and who knows but clearly the Washington Post had a great comment by Jared Kushner saying he withstood worse. Hes a lot of hard days and drama. Hes also watching coverages, sources are telling us, hes keeping an eye on whats happening on cable and elsewhere, and perhaps in the newspapers. Look at the time line of how this all went down. You had multiple newspapers including for example the New York Times, the wp, the Wall Street Journal coming out, after mid night about midle cohen. No collusion, rigged witch hunt. Do you think its keeping him up
paycheck. I was in West Virginia and people simply did not care. One person told me they would continue to support the president unless he committed an act of treason or shot someone. People get really upset, some of the folks who love to tweet at me when we run sound like that from donald trump supporters, thats only a smallish universe of people, less than 40 that backs him now. I talked to more than a dozen and they did not care. If you look at any of the polls his supporters are with him No Matter What. Anna, yamdiche, way more to talk about. President trump is again on the attack, again making Jeff Sessions the scapegoat. Not just criticizing his Job Performance but going after his ethics, even kind of his manhood. Why is he keeping him around . One person who is getting high marks from the president this morning, himself. Giving his time in office a perfect grade in his interview with fox news. A report card we have seen before. What grade do you give
yourself so far . So i give myself an a plus. I would give myself an a plus, nobody has done what ive been able to do. In texas and in florida, we get an a plus and ill tell you what, i think weve done just as good in puerto rico. I give myself an a plus, okay, effort. Applebees to go. Order online and get 5 off 25. Now thats eatin good in the neighborhood. At office depot officemax. Mom okay we need to get all your School Supplies today. School. Grade. Done. Done. Hit the Snooze Button and get low prices on School Supplies all summer long. Like these for only 2 or less at office depot officemax. Designed to save you money. Wireless network like these for only 2 or less even when youve got serious binging to do. Wherever your phone takes you, your wireless bill is about to cost a whole lot less. Use less data with a network that has the most wifi hotspots
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again about his Attorney General. This time its getting strikingly personal. Watch. The dems are very strong in the Justice Department. I put an Attorney General that never took control of the Justice Department, Jeff Sessions, never took control of the Justice Department. He took the job and then said im going to recuse myself. I said what kind of man is this . Joining us here onset is glenn ivy, former u. S. Attorney in washington, d. C. , now partner at price and ben wits. Glenn, that is a personal comment from the president. He also went on to say Jeff Sessions basically got the job because of his loyalty. I remember im old enough to remember that was a big deal when james comey talked about the loyalty oath and now the president saying it himself. Its startling even for trump to say these things. I dont know what the rationale behind it Social Security the recusal the fact that Jeff Sessions recused himself from the russia investigation. I know why hes angry about it but i dont know its helping him to blame things on the Attorney General that he continues to keep around. And Rod Rosenstein has fallen into the same category where he has gotten attacks from the president too. Speaking of Rod Rosenstein, that happened again this morning. Watch. Rosenstein signed the last fisa report. It bothers me, always bothered me. Will you fire sessions . As i said, i wanted to stay uninvolved. I put justice with dwoquotes. Jeff sessions recused himself which he shouldnt have done or should have told me. You used to work with the department. The president puts in quotes, the Justice Department. Yes, i did. What does that do to morale . Its bad to morale because recusal is the step youre supposed to take whether youre the Attorney General or some other level, o are a judge for that matter where theres a conflict, potential where the optics are bad for credibility. Step out of the way staand let
somebody else make the decision. I disagree with almost everything session has done. I thought that was one of the things he did right. When you look at Jeff Sessions, is he a punching bag . The way the president will let out frustrations over Everything Else going on . Jeff sessions hasnt responded. Tried to punch back by any means, theres no consequences and he he certainly has a lot of support in the senate for keeping him in that job. You would have a lot of senators very upset if the president made any official move to do something different. Including senator rounds speaking exactly about that. I cant express enough how much confidence we have in jeff. Jeff has different opinions on a number of things than i do. But jeff will always try to do what he believes is right and thats something that the American People can have confidence in. An interesting quote in duncan martins piece in the New York Times where he talked to senator cassidy, the
president sometimes vents, im Para Phrasing but sometimes doesnt do anything about the things he vents about. He has not fired Jeff Sessions yet. Hes been complaining about Jeff Sessions for months but hasnt done anything yet. He hasnt done anything because the senate and other people sources say the senate Wont Confirm Another Ag for him. Jeff sessions has a whole group of people in a Different Branch of going saying we have your back. That infuriates the president. He wants to fire Jeff Sessions, you can tell. Hes always arguing request him and tweeting about him and Jeff Sessions has been embarrassed by this. If you want me to ill resign and the president knows that would look so terrible so he has to keep this guy in the cabinet he doesnt like. People matter as it relates to policy so lets talk about the policy here, prison reform. The president has a meeting with Jared Kushner today. Jeff sessions kind of trying to squash that, right . This effort is getting support in the senate, not justin sults back and forth but relates to something on a concrete level. Clearly the Attorney General has a lot of key positions with respect to the Criminal Justice front. Trump has cut him off at the knees repeatedly and this is another scenario for that. Coming up, shifting the blame, the latest republican congressman to be indicted is responding to those charges by channelling the president. Why he says the charges against him are all political and hes just the victim of a witch hunt. Lets get started. Show of hands. Who wants customizable Options Chains . Ones that make it fast and easy to analyze and take action . How about some of the lowest options fees . Are you raising your hand . Good then its time for power e trade the platform, price and service
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same amount of tariffs on u. S. Autos and steel and other products. The two largest economies have hit each other with 100 billion in tariffs just since last month. Thats a story were watching. South africas government is going after President Trump a bit after his tweet overnight, asking Secretary Of State mike pompeo to look into south africa seizing land from white farmers and killings of farmers. Thats a topic, you can see the president tweeted about reportinged on, the South African Government tweeted back saying south africa totally rejects this narrow perception which only seeks to divide our nation and reminds us of our colonial past. Back here at home, indicted california congressman Duncan Hunter, remember we told you about him yesterday, hes taking a page out of the president s playbook, calling himself a victim of a Justice Department witch hunt. Watch. You have a partisan biased department of justice employees,
that are doing it to trump and doing it to me. This is political, period. This is this is a u. S. Government what i would call the deep state or folks in the u. S. Dont care what the election does, they want to rig the election their own way. Hunter today actually in just a few hours set to be arraigned after that remarkable 47page indictment against him and his wife was handed down. Among the charges, that he misused more than 250,000 in Campaign Funds for personal expenses. Using that money for everything from lavish trips to italy and hawaii and even a plane ticket for his pet rabbit. Hunter and his wife overdrew their bank account more than 1,000 times resulting in Overdraft Fees totalling 37,000. Kelly odonnell has been following all of it, including whats going down on capitol hill. This is a moment and democrats are seeing a chance to pick up maybe a red seat. Is that a possibility . Its now considered a much
more competitive district than it would have been, the san diego area where he represents has been republican and its one of the narrow ways where people say this could be political that the timing of the charges comes at a point where his name cant be pulled off the ballot. These are not new offenses if you will. This is something that has been percolating for a period of time. So darrel issa, a republican congressman who is retiring has said he believes that the prosecutors could have moved more expeditiously, allowing for a new republican name to be on there. So maybe thats where you could say there could be some political influence. Thats a narrow stripe in all of this. Much like what we saw with the Paul Manafort case, there were documents upon documents upon documents. Duncan hunter is trying to use the strategy of the president to fight, fight, fight, but not addressing the underlying documents that show according to prosecutors a Slush Fund Type Approach that he would take with his Campaign Resources as you
pointed out a range of things from Family Vacations to tuition to dental payments, all kinds of things when his own personal funds were overdrawn repeatedly. And so this is a case where hes going to push back politically however the documents is something he has not yet addressing. Kelly odonnell, following it all on capitol hill. I know youll stay on top of that. Thank you. The indictment of Duncan Hunter is the only the latest issue for republicans and white house frankly in what is not necessarily been a great week. If you look at the number of people who have now come under fire in courts of law or elsewhere. Democrats you might not be surprised to hear are seizing on it ahead of the mid terms, listen to what Chuck Schumer had to say on the senate floor about republicans. The symbol of the Republican Party, the elephant is being replaced with the ostrich, the animal that puts its head in the sand wherever trouble occurs. House Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi wrote to her colleagues yesterday, under President Trump washington has become a ce is sspool of selfenrichment and secret money and ethical blindness. New york times, A Culture Of Corruption that starts at mr. Trump and cascades through two indicted House Republicans to a series of smaller scandals breaking out in the partys back benches. Im joined by michael caputo. Michael, thanks for coming on the show, one of your first times with us. Hallie, thanks for inviting me. Let me ask you about this. Duncan hunter, we just talked about him and the issues that hes having currently. But hes not the only one, right . Youve got these other republicans as well, Members Of Congress who have found themselves under fire for a variety of different scandals. So given all of this, given what weve seen this week with Paul Manafort and Michael Cohen, do you think democrats have a point here . Are you worried this is going to be an effective message for them come midterms . I think Corruption Accusations are always an effective message, especially if youre speaking to voeter that dont know, that accusations and even verdicts about corruption are bipartisan on capitol hill. I dont think one party is ahead of any other. The timing here is terrible. I think issa hit it on the nose. The prosecutions these indictments have come down when flz no time to replace Duncan Hunter or Chris Collins on the ballot in new york 27. I live in new york 27, im watching republicans there trying very hard to get another person in the ballot line where Chris Collins is and its not even clear they are able to do it. We have two seats that are reliably red. The new york 27 district is the most protrump district in the country. And both of them could go blue. You talk about the concern about this idea of the culture of corruption, you say its on both sides. The headlines recently have been more about republicans. Is President Trump the one who is setting the tone from the top
here . No, i dont think so. Obviously, Duncan Hunters allegations against Duncan Hunter came years before donald trump came to washington. Chris collins is suffering from allegations of i guess they call it Insider Trading that occurred before donald trump started to be investigated before donald trump came to washington. This is a culture of washington, not the culture of the president. The timing is incredibly unfortunate for the president , however, especially in a midterm time frame when we think republicans the republican control of the house is vulnerable. Let me ask you about something the president talked about this morning, the idea he cant be impeached or shouldnt be impeached because hes doing such a great job. The president is talking about impeachment but democrats on capitol hill are shying away from that, including dick durbin. Heres what he said today. On theish dwru of impeachment, do you feel the events of the past two days have
changed the calculation in terms of Raising Impeachment as a Campaign Issue into the mid terms . Would it be something you would advice some Democratic Candidates to confront head on or talk about head on . Absolutely not. I cant think of a more serious power in the constitution than the power of congress to remove a president. We should take it as seriously as it is written. So you heard senator durbin there, michael, but do you believe republicans or specifically donald trump should be concerned about the possibility of impeachment . Absolutely. I think the democrats believe right now they have in this allegation against the president made by Michael Cohen, the means to do so. I think if the president got ticketed for jay walking across pennsylvania avenue, they would use that as well. In fact, we know just from all of the comments before the Election Season came up that the
democrats priority number one is to impeach the president. And i think the Republican Party would be making a mistake if they dont make this election about impeachment. In fact the reason why republicans need to get to the polls on november 6th is because the democrats first order of business is to impeach the president of the United States, No Matter What. That is not what they are saying publicly at least michael. But let me leave it there. One of your colleagues, you were on the campaign involved in the campaign during the 2016 time frame. One of your colleagues from the time period said everybody on the campaign knew about these Hush Money Payments that donald trump via Michael Cohen was allegedly making, that cohen was making. Did you know about the Hush Money Payment before the election . No. And i dont believe anybody on the campaign may have knew. That may have been somebody in a different circle than i did zblsh. Omarosa said it publicly. Oh, sorry, no im not going to comment. Shes ridiculous. Well leave it there. Michael caputo, thank you. Following the money, betsy devos trying to funnel more taxpayer dollars to our nations schools but its not for text books or school plis. How she may reportedly by leading the charge to put guns in the hands of teachers and the way shes changing education in the country that might be flying under your radar. Before we go, they dont call him senator soundbyte for nothing. John kennedy in the hallway talk about Michael Cohen. If the prosecutors told mr. Cohen to stand on one leg and bark like a dog in the middle of pennsylvania avenue, i mean, he would probably do it. Thats the way it works when you plead out and youre trying to reduce your sentence. But he has plans today. So he took aleve this morning. Hey dad. If hed taken tylenol, hed be stopping for more pills right now. Only aleve has the strength stop tough pain for up to 12 hours with just one pill. Tylenol cant do that. Aleve. All day strong. All day long. Now introducing aleve back and muscle pain, for up to 12 hours of pain relief with just one pill. Could light up the room . Aveeno® positively radiant sheer daily moisturizer. Lightweight hydration for positively radiant skin that lasts. Aveeno®. Naturally beautiful results®. Todays Senior Living communities have never been better, with amazing amenities like movie theaters, Exercise Rooms and swimming pools, public cafes, bars and bistros even pet care services. And theres never been an easier way to get great advice. A place for mom is a free service that pairs you with a local advisor to help you sort through your options and find a perfect place. A place for mom. You know your family we know Senior Living. Together well make the right choice. Guys,but youve got sto be strong. St remember janet . She got cash back shopping with ebates and hasnt been skeptical since. Whered the money come from . Stores pay ebates. Psh psh then ebates pays you. Psh psh psh psh psh psh psh psh psh and theyll send you a check. Psh oohh sign up for free. Shop your favorite stores. Get cash back. Ebates. Something to believe in. Join today for a 10 bonus. This is a block buster headline, a major change away from the governments longstanding Gabby Giffords tweeted, Arming Teachers is not a solution. It recklessly puts American Children if even more danger. We can forge a better path. We can find a courage to fight for our own safety. Joining me now, the reporter who broke that story, brenda and anna and yamiche are here as well. Thats quite the story. And i appreciate you coming on to talk about it the the department of education has come out with a new statement, saying the department is constantly considering and evaluating policy issues, particularly related to School Safety and secretary nor the Department Issues opinions on hypothetical scenarios. Is this hypothetical, how real is it that the department of education could start Spending Taxpayer Money on giving guns to teachers . Its very real. The law allows for it and the
federal Education Law particularly this grant and this pot of money has no restrictions on purchasing firearms. Whereas in other grants that allow for School Safety measures, there are express prohibitions on purchase and firearms and weapons. So thats exactly why the department is considering whether or not its legal, whether or not it its in pursue. You talk about the idea they would use this pot of money from the every Student Succeeds ad, billion dollars and intended for academic and enrichment opportunities in the countrys poorest schools and calls for districts to use the money for a well rounded education, improving School Conditions and use of technology. It looks like they are trying to say, were going to improve School Conditions and thats kind of Planning Point they are at. Right. So they felt that improving school environments, physical infrastructure, all fell into that pot, that it was not unreasonable to expect that
schools might want to use the money for School Safety. And you know, what they are considering is the big question here is whether or not the staff improves School Conditions and i think thats the controversy around this. And already, anna, you cover congress. Were seeing congress react. Senator murphy after your reporting responding to it saying hes introducing an amendment that would emphasize the idea that congress is barring federal money from being spent on guns for teachers. Theres no appetite on capitol hill for this. And clearly senator murphy is an advocate on this issue and youre going to see him i would imagine a lot of other democrats come out. This is not the issue going into the midterms that i think republicans want to be talking about either. You know this really well and i want to talk about this a bit more. 56 of americans are against Arming Teachers. I want to talk about what secretary devos has been doing. Sometimes that does fly under the radar. A segment we do on the show, he
for example lifted regulatory scrutiny of for Profit Colleges and begun dismissing Civil Rights Cases In The Name Of efficiency and proposing rules by an estimated 13 billion and axios claims they are ignoring treatment of transgender students. Where is the system going under secretary devos and the Trump Administration . I thirvnk the one thing that interesting, secretary devos was very controversial coming in and someone who had a very opinionated view of how the federal Education System should be run and now shes carrying this out in a quiet way. Much like Jeff Sessions, they are doing what they said they were going to be doing. Advocates are very worried about the racial impacts this will have. Look at erikas reporting, if you start Arming Teachers, there are black and brown students being who are being disciplined more than their white counterparts, you can start seeing statistics where
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said they used the government Verification System to assess eligibility and everything checked out. What we learned in the past 24 hours, our employee was not who he said he was. Who he said he was. They said that rivera was an undocumented immigrant from mexico, something the president picked up. Mollie tibbetts, a wonderful, young woman, is now separated from her family. A person came in from mexico illegally and is killed her. Reporter riveras attorney now saying his client is, in fact, in the u. S. Illegally, blasting the president as sad and Soefr Trurry Trump in a cou filing, saying it hurts his clients chances for a fair trial. The government is reaffirming that this young man has no legal status here, sending a statement out saying, we have no records
saying he has any lawful immigration status. Ally . Joining me on alfonso aguilar, president of the Latino Partnership for conservative principles and for the citizenship under president george w. Bush. Thank you very much for coming on. Thank you for having me. I think its important to note were talking about a young woman who died. Thats the most important thing here. She was a person, she had people who loved her, she had a family. Her death has become this National Headline now. You have canned dace owens gett into a pretty Intense Exchange on line with a distant cousin of tibbetts, pushing back on her death. She told candace owens, my family lost a family member. I wanted to protect my family from this extra grief of politics. Even if it was coming from the other side, i would say the same thing. Our prayers are with the family of Mollie Tibbetts, but its very sad that the president and some others are trying to use this case to continue to create this perception that undocumented immigrants are continuously committing crimes. And the reality is, if you look at statistics, even government statistics show that undocumented immigrants commit fewer crimes than the general population. So its very sad that theyre making this an issue about immigration. Let me ask you this, because you reference this. There are studies that show immigrants, both undocumented and not, are much less likely to commit crimes or be incarcerated than what academics call nativeborn folks, and i want to show you those stats up there. You worked under the government. Why do you think there is this
misconception out there about immigrants and crime . Part of it is President Trump. From the getgo since he announced his candidacy, he kept saying the majority of immigrants coming from mexico are criminals and rapists and every opportunity he has, he tries to promote that perception that there are a lot of criminals coming through the border, and that immigrants and undocumented immigrants are involved in criminal activity. And as shown in those studies and statistics from the government, its clear that the majority of immigrants are good, hardworking people that are not involved in crime. I was in the Briefing Room this week when press secretary Sarah Sanders started a report on this. Newt gingrich sent this over to axios. If Mollie Tibbetts is a Household Name by october, democrats will be in deep trouble. The gop could lose the house badly. What is your thoughts . To your point, this is a political winner for the president with his base. If you remember two years ago, immigration was one of the top issues. Yeah. So this can play well for the president , sadly. Alfonso aguilar, thank you very much for coming on. All of us sending thoughts and prayers to the family of Mollie Tibbetts. We have new video coming into the newsroom about Michael Cohen out and about in new york city. This is his first public appearance since we saw him leave a federal court on tuesday. Thats where he agreed to that plea deal for financial violations and where at he said the president of the United States. He just hopped in a cab and went on his way. There you go. Well be right back with what our sources are saying in todays big picture. vo love is why we built a car you can trust for a long time. The allnew Subaru Impreza sedan and fivedoor. A car you can love No Matter What road youre on. The Subaru Impreza. More than a car, its a subaru. Right now, get 0 Apr Financing on the 2018 Subaru Impreza. Their staff bonuses, eating around town. So some take it further than other people, but a lot of Members Of Congress use it to supplement their income. Does the fcc say thats okay to do . There is a questionable line on where the fcc is on that. You saw how manafort and cohen should have slowed this down, but democrats are Grasping At Straws. If there is one superpac looking at spending millions of dollars talking about their Voting Rights record, but in reality theyre very worried. Nice having you on, ladies. Thank you very much. We want to end with our big picture, and for it were heading to brazil. Youre looking at a group of new moms in Venezuela Holding their little ones. Why are they in brazil . Venezuelan women are crossing the border to give birth because of lack of prenatal care, lack of medicine, lack of even