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Warner, the top democrat on the Senate Intelligence committee as we get ready for the hearing. What is he saying about what they expect to see today . Reporter good morning. I caught up briefly with the vice chairman here as this hearing is set to get underway. He emphasized that they are trying to make sure they show americans that their investigation into russian meddling is credible, bipartisan, even nonpartison. Now of course the question here, one that we may not get into too much depth today is of course whether or not there were Trump Campaign associate who is commu who communicated with russians during the campaign. I heard James Langford say this morning he does really want to get to the bottom of it. Obviously weve got to get connections, whether there was any connection with the Trump Campaign and collusion with any russian officials. Theres no question now that russians were trying to affect our election and they were trying to engage and destabilize, the exact same thing they do across europe. Reporter i asked mark warner if he was surprised to hear a republican acknowledge that they do want to get to the bottom of that. Typically its not something we hear people say, at least not in front of cameras. He said no, that this investigation, he believes, is proceeding in a way that hopefully, in his view, will actually expose whatever may have happened regardless of the partisan Politics Around it. Theres also a lot of questions about the witness list. Today what youre going to see is mostly academics, people who worked in the intelligence community. We will have a former director of nsa this afternoon talking about Cyber Security and how that relates to all of this, hacking, fake news. Youre not going to see top officials like jim comey or jared kushner, who is somebody that we know the committee wants to get private testimony from. Theyre compiling a list of 20 or so people they want to hear from. Were trying to figure out whos on that list so far. We expect Trump Associates to appear on that list. We expect this to begin any second. Other at the white house theyre pretty sick of talking about this, right . But senators are making clear theyre just Getting Started now. Talk about how this administration navigates all these things. The president wants to do tax reform, infrastructure, health care. The shadow of it all are these investigations. Thats right. Theyre trying to keep the focus on their legislative agenda. Thats for sure. You talk about tax reform. That is where this white house is putting most of its focus right now, although they are having some conversations about health care as well. The president out today, though, with a stern warning to the Freedom Caucus. Thats the conservative branch of the Republican Party that the white house feels blocked efforts to repeal and replace obamacare. This is President Trumps tweet. The Freedom Caucus will hurt the entire republican agenda if they dont get on the team and fast. We must fight them and democrats in 2018. Veiled threat to potentially campaign against those who dont get on board. But paul ryan also out with a bit of warning to his fellow republicans today. In an interview, essentially saying, look, the president has signalled hell work with systems on health care if republicans dont work with him. Saying look, we promised our voters to get a conservative Health Care Plan through. So youre getting some pressure ramped up behind the scenes but the reality is tax reform is going to be really difficult in the wake of the failed health care bill. And there are discussions going on about potentially reviving a health care package. I was told by one source a lot of those conversations are venting of frustration about the failure to really do something. One more point, were about a month away from a potential Government Shutdown overshad overshadowing all of this. To say theres a lot going on would be an understatement. I just want to make a quick note. This story about the Freedom Caucus versus the president is developing very quickly. Were getting reaction online from twitter. One is saying to the president , no shame in succumbing to the d. C. Establishment. Were going to be talking much about that. This bombshell exclusive in news week, this scoop on james comey wanting to go public with the russia investigation last summer. Max, come on in here. Tell us what you know about what james comey wanted to do and why ultimately it never happened. We learned that as early as last summer fbi director james comey wanted to go public with what was happening with russias tampering with the election. This would have been months before the federal government ended up doing this. He wanted to write an op ed for the new york times. White house and doj officials and Security Officials apparently shut him down. This is just in line with what weve seen with fbi director comey. Hes a transparent person. He wants to make the agency more transparent. This was happening last summer. This is part of just the culture of transparency that hes wanting to bring into the bureau. The reason that my colleague josh and i were told that this did not happen was because federal officials wanted to do a coordinated effort. I believe thats the term they told us. And we ended up seeing that cord that e coordinated effort a couple months later in october and then we learned much more later on in a declassified january document. Max, what did you he was never going to write about donald trump in this op ed . Thats correct. We were told this was going to be specifically more about the general russian involvement not about the sort of potential collusion we learned about last week at the house Intelligence Committee hearing. We heard from james comey at a National Security dinner where he spoke publicly about this. The last year its been almost a year now has been both difficult and easier than you might think. What makes it easy is, were not on anybodys side ever. Were not considering whos ox will be gored by this action or that action. We just dont care and we cant care. I imagine that there are some democrats who are listening to that going, okay, he still talked about this Hillary Clinton email situation but yet he didnt put out this op ed on russia. Is that a double standard . Explain what the thinking was there. We are hearing that criticism. Ive heard it from people in the wake of this story coming out last night. We also heard it in the past two weeks since director comey went public with the fact that since july the fbi has been investigating russia as well as potential collusion with Trump Associates. And that would have happened last july around the time he did have this press conference talking about the clinton investigation. So the thinking here is director comey has said that clinton investigation, that was a completed investigation. Even in his october letter to lawmakers saying he was going to look at new evidence, still it was a completed investigation. Whereas this Russian Investigation was an ongoing investigation. Thats something he has said he cant talk about. We are watching live now the Senate Intelligence committee. Senators warner and burr the top democrat and Top Republican on that committee walking in. This thing is set to begin any second. On the house side, you have essentially a standstill. As youve watched this development over the last 48 hours or so, whats your takeaway . There really is a story of two very Different Committee approaches here. On the one hand, the shenanigans from last week which really undermined the credibility of the investigation on the House Committee stands in contrast to what we saw yesterday, which was a bipartisan press conference by the ranking republican and democrat. And starting today with a hearing that is designed to really put the spotlight on why this investigation is so important, which is Vladimir Putin orchestrating a campaign of activities to weaken the United States. Vladimir putin responded to that just this morning. He essentially said, watch my lips, no, i had nothing to do with it. Lets take a moment for the Senate Intel Committee hearing. Requires that most of the work be conducted in a secure setting to maintain the integrity of the information and to protect the very sensitive sources and methods that gave us access to that intelligence. However, the vice chairman and i understand gravity of the issues and decide its dliescru that we take the rare step of publicly discussing the investigation. Thats why weve convened this second open hearing on the topic of russian active measures. To the extent possible, the committee will hold additional open hearings on this issue. The American Public, indeed all democratic societies, need to understand that malign actors are using old techniques with new platforms to undermine our democratic institutions. This hearing entitled disinformation, a primer in russian active measures influence campaigns, will consist of two panels and will provide a foundational understanding of russian active measures and Information Operations campaigns. The first panel will examine the history and characteristics of those campaigns. The second panel will examine the history and characteristics of those campaigns and the role and capabilities of Cyber Operations in support of these activities. Unfortunately, you will learn today that these efforts by russia to discredit the u. S. And weaken the west are not new. These efforts are at the heart of russian and Previous Soviet Union intelligence efforts. Our country has been a target of information warfare, propaganda and cyber campaigns and still is. The efforts our expert wils wil outline today continue unabated. The take away from todays hearing, were all targets of a sophisticated and capable adversary and we must engage in a whole of government approach to combat russian active measures. Today well receive testimony from experts who have in some cases worked directly to respond to active measures, who understand the history and the context of active measures and whose specific knowledge will shed new light on the problem and provide useful context. Were grateful to you for your appearance here today. This afternoon we will reconvene and welcome witnesses who will discuss the technical side of the question, Cyber Operations including Computer Network exploitation, social media and online propaganda activities and how they promote russian campaigns and Information Operations. We have a full day ahead of us and im confident that the testimony you hear today will help you to establish a foundational understanding of the problem as the community continues its inquiry into russian activities. Finally, id like to commend the vice chairman for his dedication to the goals of the committees inquiry and the integrity of the process. The vice chairman and i realize that if we politicize this process, our efforts will likely fail. How we may have failed to prevent that involvement, what actions were taken in response, if any, and what we plan to do to ensure the integrity of future free elections at the heart of our democracy. Gentlemen, thank you again for your willingness to be here and i turn to the vice chairman. Thank you, mr. Chairman. I also want to welcome our Witnesses Today. Todays hearing is important to help understand the role russia play played in the 2016 president ial elections. As the u. S. Intelligence committee unanimously assessed in january of this year, russia sought to hijack our democratic process. That most important part of our democratic process, our president ial elections. As well learn today, russias strategy and tactics are not new, but their brazenness certainly was. The hearing is also important because its open, as the chairman mentioned, which is sometimes unusual for this Committee Due to the classified nature of our work, we typically work behind closed doors. But todays public hearing will help, i hope, the American Public writ large understand how the kremlin made effective use of its hacking skills to steal and weaponize information and engage in a coordinated effort to damage a particular candidate and to undermine Public Confidence in our democratic process. Our Witnesses Today will help us understand how russia deployed this deluge of information in a broad attempt to undermine americas strength and leadership throughout the world. We simply must and we will get this right. The chairman and i agree thisit vitally important that we do this in a credible and transparent manner as possible. Chairman burr and i trust each other and equally important we trust our colleagues on this committee that we are going to move together and were going to get to the bottom of this and do it right. As this hearing begins, lets take just one moment to review what we already know. Russias president Vladimir Putin ordered a deliberate campaign carefully constructed to undermine our election. First, russia struck at our Political Institutions by electronically break into the headquarters of one of our Political Parties and stealing vast amounts of information. Russian operatives also hacked emails to steal personal messages and other information from individuals ranging from Clinton Campaign manager john podesta to former secretary of state colin powell. This stolen information was then weaponized. We know that russian intelligence used the, quote, unquote, persona and others like wikileaks and seemingly choreographed times that would cause maximum damage to one candidate. They did this with an unprecedented level of sophistication about american president ial politics that should be a line of inquiry for us on this committee. And candidly while it helped one candidate this time, they are not favoring one party over another and subsequeconsequentl be a concern for all of us. Second, russia continually sought to kmini idiminish and ue our trust in the American Media by blurring our faith in what is true and what is not. Russian propaganda outlets successfully produced and pedalled disinformation to american audiences in pursuit of moscows preferred outcome. This russian propaganda on steroids was designed to poison the National Conversation in america. The russians employed thousands of paid internet trolls and botnets to push out disinformation and fake news at a high volume focusing this material onto your twitter and facebook feeds and flooding our social media with misinformation. This fake news and disinformation was then hyped by the American Media echo chamber and our own social Media Networks to reach and potentially influence millions of americans. This is not innuendo or false allegations. This is not fake news. This is actually what happened to us. Russia continues these sorts of actions as we speak. Some of our close allies in europe are experiencing exactly the same kind of interference in their political process. Germany has said that its parliament has been hacked. French president ial candidates right now have been the subject of russian propaganda and disinformation. In the netherlands their recent elections, the dutch hand counted their ballots because they feared russian interference in their electoral process. Perhaps most critically for us, there is nothing to stop them from doing this all over again in 2018 or in 2020 as americans again go back to the polls. In addition to what we already know, any full accounting must also find out what, if any, contacts, communications or connections occurred between russia and those associated with the campaigns themselves. I will not prejudge the outcome of our investigation. We are seeking to determine if there is an actual fire but there is clearly a lot of smoke. For instance, an individual associated with the Trump Campaign accurately predicted the release of hacked emails weeks before it happened. This same individual also admits to being in contact with the russian intelligence persona responsible for these Cyber Operations. The platform of one of our two major Political Parties was mysteriously watered down in a way which promoted the interest of president putin. And no one seems to be able to identify who directed that change in the platform. A Campaign Manager of one campaign who played such a Critical Role in electing the president was forced to step down over his alleged ties to russia and its associates. Since te election, weve seen the president s National Security advisor resign and his attorney general recuse himself over previously undisclosed contacts with the russian government. And of course, the other body on march 20th, the director of the fbi publicly acknowledged that the bureau is, quote, investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump Campaign and the russian government and whether there was n any coordination between the campaign and russian efforts, end of quote. I want to make clear at least for me, this information is not about whether you have a d or an r next to your name. It is not about relitigating last falls election. This h it is about clearly understanding and responding to this very real threat. Its also about Holding Russia accountable for this unprecedented attack on our democracy. And it is about arming ourselves so we can identify and stop it when it happens again. Trust me, it will happen again if we dont take action. I would hope that the president is as anxious as we are to get to the bottom of what happened. But i have to say editorially that the president s recent contact with his wild and uncorroborated accusations about wiretapping and his inappropriate and unjustified attacks on americans hard working intelligence professionals does give me grave concern. This committee has a heavy weight of responsibility to prove that we can continue to put our political labels aside to get us to the truth. I believe we can get there. Ive seen firsthand and i say this to our audience how serious members on bothdais hav issue. Were working together very cooperatively to make sure we get the facts that we need from the intelligence community. We will get that done. Mr. Chairman, again, i thank you for your commitment to the serious work and your commitment to keeping this bipartisan cooperation, at least if not all across the hill, alive in this committee. Thank you. You have been watching senator burr, senator warner speak at the Senate Intelligence committee, beginning their investigation into russias interference in this election, laying out how they will proceed here as over on the house side that Intelligence Committee appears to be paralyzed by politics at this point. Quick reaction . I think that contrasts with the farce that weve seen in the house could not be more dramatic. It does show that even as hyper partisan as we are these days, there are still some differences remaining between the house and st senate, in part because the house, the whole claimer runs every two years. They know their fates are tied to the success of the donald trump presidency. You heard mark warner say this is not a d or an r issue. They love this so much. We are the grown ups. There are three words he said, bipartisan, credible, transparent. That was a straight shot rat devin nunes. They are enjoying being the elder statesmen. I want to play for you what we were talking about which was what Vice President had to say just this morning. Lets play that. You and the russian government did never try to influence the outcome of the u. S. President ial election and there will be no evidence found . Ronald reagan once debating about taxes and addressing the americans said, watch my lips, he said, no, watch my lips, no. Watch my lips, no. Maybe a little bit lost in translation. It wasnt ronald reagan. It was george bush. Your reaction to what we heard from president putin . So we know from u. S. Intelligence that the russians under putin are the masters of fake news and propaganda. You think Vice President is l Vladimir Putin is lying . I think what the committee has started to do today is really layout why the stakes are so high in this investigation and getting it right. This is a National Security challenge to the United States and we need to make sure we understand the nature of it and how we get our arms around that, learn the lessons so it doesnt happen to us again. We have much more to talk about coming up after the break. We are seeing this hour a fight developing between President Trump and members of his own party, specifically members of the house Freedom Caucus. Remember here at ally, nothing stops us from doing right by our customers. Whos with me . Were like a Basketball Team here at ally. If a Basketball Team had over 7. Im in. 7,000 players. Our plays are a little unorthodox. But to beat the big boys, you need smarter ways to save people money. We know what you want from a Financial Company and well stop at. Nothing to make sure you get it. One, two. And we mean nothing. And we mean nothing. 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The Freedom Caucus will hurt the entire republican agenda if they dont get on the team and fast. We must fight them and dems in 2018. Hes promising to take it to his own party a year from now, basically. A white house source telling us that the president s tweet speaks for itself. Speaker paul ryan also taking a little bit of aim at the Freedom Caucus, warning them they could send the president right into the arms of the democrats. What i worry about is that if we dont do this, then hell just go work with democrats to try and change obamacare. Thats hardly a conservative thing. Lets get into this. Congressman steven lynch joining us. Ill start with you. I want to get your reaction to what we are hearing from the president and from House Speaker paul ryan who seemed to be shutting the door to working with democrats on health care. I think the president has a lot of trust he has to build up between the democrats and the white house. Right now the Trump Administration has taken really a scorched earth policy with respect to all of the issues that have come up recently. Theres a real lack of trust to the way he just blurts things out and tweets. Theres been no real dialogue. The health bill was never even in print, the final version. We were supposed to vote on it that afternoon. Theyre got to change their way of operating. Hes done things by executive order. Hes got a federal hiring freeze. At the same time he cant hire people from Goldman Sachs fast enough. Hes got a real credibility gap with the Democratic Party. Look, im a moderate, so if hes got a problem with me, hes got a problem with a whole lot of people on the democratic side. You talk about wanting to build trust. You talk about the importance of rebuilding credibility. But the white house and top aides have invited you to meet with them face to face presumably to build up that trust. You said no. Why . Right. Weve got to have it on equal terms here. You cant try to jam through a bill where you dont talk to democrats at all and then when you come up short on your vote, you say, oh, well, maybe we ought to talk to the democrats. It doesnt work that way. Youve got to build that dialogue and trust. How is he supposed to build that dialogue if you wont have one with him . There will be a dialogue. But he has to come to the real sai ization that he has to sit down and have a conversation rather than tweeting. Isnt that what hes trying to do . Theres a difference between compromise and surrender. I think at this point we would encourage more of this behavior, which is he tries to jam a bill through without talking to us and then at the end if he cant get it through, hell come and talk to us. We dont want to establish that type of relationship with the white house. Health care aside f thats not going to happen, where are you holding out hope that theres going to be other opportunities for compromise. There are two big areas, one would be tax reform. And there has been discussion about repatrioting some of the u. S. Overseas and bringing them in at a 14 tax rate. That would give us enough money to do infrastructure. Theres an opportunity here, but weve got to have a fair discussion about that. You cant come through with a plan that is obnoxious and then when it doesnt pass, say were going to sit down after the fact. Lets start a fair and honest dialogue. Theres some reporting from one of my colleagues here that deserve members of the Republican Party are looking to have some out reach here to more moderates. Youre a moderate democrat, obviously. Will you meet with folks on the other side of the aisle even if its not the president and his aides . Will you sit down with, say, charlie dent . Sure. Absolutely that need to happen. Thank you very much for joining us here. Lots to talk about, not Just Health Care but tax reform and infrastructure as well. I want to talk about whats happening on the other side of the aisle in the Republican Party. We talked about those tweet about the Freedom Caucus. Weve seen Thomas Massey say its a swamp, not a hot tub. We both came here to drain it, aiming at the president. Swampcare pulls 17 . Sad. We talked about justin amash saying it didnt take long for the swamp to drain donald trump no shame. He essentially said were trying to help the president. Where does this go . This is deserves at war with each other . Jim jordan is exactly right. They are trying to help this president. Its a weird kind of help, though. They stopped a bill that probably would have defeated republicans at every level in 2018. Youve got to agree with lynch on this. This was a bill that did not have a lot of dlacollaboration. Some of the efforts have been made by the Freedom Caucus to reach out and bring others in to discuss it and find the opportunity to get to yes. I heard mark meadows when this bill was first presented say our goal was to get to yes on this. But the bill as it was written, had it been passed, it would have been devastating to republicans. It was supported by less than one in five americans. You said anything whos trying to represent their position as anything other than getting to yes is wrong. If he does not feel he cant sit down and work with the Freedom Caucus, then he cant work with anyone. Theyve worked aggressively with members of the senate to be able to redesign this bill to get it passed. It could be reformed. They have to get something passed. If they dont and go to 2018 election on this walk us through it. The republican conference at this point is a dumpster fire. Yesterday there was some attempts to get the Freedom Caucus, the Republican Study Committee and the tuesday group, they were supposed to meet last night. My phones been blowing up all morning because everyone has a different interpretation of what happened. The meeting never happened. The tuesday group said they never agreed to anything. The Freedom Caucus said no, they reneged on our meeting. The Republican Study Committee is sort of somewhere in the middle. Basically what it comes down to is tuesday group met yesterday among their members. It was a really feisty meeting. Members were furious about being told to set down with the Freedom Caucus. They resent being asked to sit down with them. They say this is an attempt to shift blame to the moderates. I called a white house source on my way in here and they just said like this defeated person, welcome to my life for the last two weeks. It seems like since the fall of 2015 weve been talking about gop civil war, frankly. And here we are 70 days into the administration and were still talking about it. It does appear that Party Discipline is an oxymoron. Paul ryan said weve all got to get on board because if we dont, then donald trump will negotiate with the democrats. Essentially you have the speaker of the house saying we cannot trust a republican president of the United States to stay true to our conservative principles. Thats another shot in this civil war. I have to say elevating the Freedom Caucus in this way with this attack, i cant imagine theres the Freedom Caucus hasnt hated the spotlight in the past. Two things. If trump is going to take on someone here, it should really be the tuesday group. Theyre the ones who refused to sit down with the Freedom Caucus. They dont want to find a way to get to yes at this point. If the democrats are smart, they would work with trump to try and get this done. But the challenge is the entire Democratic Party is the Freedom Caucus of the left. They do not have a moderate wing. Their base would cause them more problems than its worth in 2018 if they did sit down and try and get it done. 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If it passes the senate, it goes to the house and then the democratic governors desk. This comes after the governor reached a deal with Republican Leadership last night. One democratic source is telling me it will come down to the wire. Critics are saying this isnt really a repeal at all. Its actually a repeal in name only, because the state will have final say as to multistall bathrooms. Secondly, the replacement bill prohibits other cities from issuing their own nondisdiscrimination ordinances until 2020. Theres a lot of economic pressure playing a role here. For one, the state of North Carolina is estimated to lose 3. 7 billion in lost business in the next 12 years if hb2 remains intact. As you mentioned, the timing of the fact that the ncaa is now deciding where they will hold their next events in the next five years is definitely playing a role. The ncaa has said it will not be holding any events in North Carolina if hb2 remains as law. 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Reporter President Trump threatening the future of health care, just minutes after the gop bill was pulled last week. Ive been saying for the last year and a half that the best thing we can do politically speaking is let obamacare explode. It is exploding right now. Reporter this week, an about face. I know were all going to make a deal on health care. Thats an easy one. Reporter all this back and forth in washington left consumers and the Health Insurance industry desperate for answers. The exchanges are stabilizing, according to the nonpartisan cbo. Could health care for 11 million americans who rely on the exchanges actually explode . It depends what the government does next. President trump recently said he expects obamacare to explode. He thinks over the next year or two, out of pocket premiums and deductibles are going to get so high, increasingly, the exchanges are going to be thrown into a death spiral. Do i think that is at all feasible and likely to happen . No. I think the exchanges will stabilize. Reporter option two, President Trump undercuts the law by holding subsidies or stopping the mandate to buy insurance. The secretary has a lot of discreti discretion. They can decide how much to spend on advertising for the exchanges. They can decide whether or not theyre going to challenge the coast sharing subsidies. If they pull the subsidies, which they have the ability to do, if they pull those subsidies, thats going to have a very bad effect on the exchanges. Thats within their power. Reporter if that happens, many who depend on the subsidies may no longer be able to afford Health Insurance whatsoever. Another compascenario. Insurers are spooked and pull out regardless of what the government does. We went in this meeting of insurance heads. We need to stabilize the marketplace now because we have insurance carriers that are either leaving the states that they participated in, or they have raised their premiums to such levels that it has become very difficult for people to find decent coverage at a decent price. Reporter if insurers keep losing confidence in the system, more companies could exit the market, leaving millions with only one or perhaps zero options. Thats already the case for this musician in tennessee, where Insurance Companies are dropping out. We just want the opportunity to buy Health Insurance that is affordable to us. It is all were asking. It is not a liberal or conservative issue. Reporter the bottom line, congress and the white house left Insurance Companies scratching their heads about whats next, leaving millions of patients wondering if theyll have health care at all. Now, a new reuters pole is showing 80 of republicans want their party to repeal and replace again. President trump has yet to outline any specifics on how exactly hell proceed or what the second attempt would be in terms of difference from the first. A lot of Unanswered Questions for patients out there. No kidding. Thank you very much. To my panel, thank you for hanging out this hour. Great to be here. Were going to take a quick break and well be right back. Time for the your business entrepreneur of the week. Brown inherited a secret family he recipe for tea. She is trying to build into a national brand. She needs help. We answered her call, and now shes getting a your business makeover. Your business, sunday mornings at 7 30 on msnbc. Brought to you by American Express open. Visit open forum. Com for ideas to help you grow your business. Nosy neighbor with a keen sense of smell. Glad bag, full of trash. What happens next . Nothing. Only glad has febreze to neutralize odors for 5 days. Guaranteed. Even the most perceptive noses wont notice the trash. Be happy. Its glad. That does it for our hour on the set overlooking the white house. Ill turn it over to my colleague for more on the day ahead. Thank you so much. On msnbc, russias role. The Senate Intelligences committees first hearing on the russian interference in the election is underway on the capitol hill. A thorough and bipartisan investigation, in contrast to the house probe thats paralyzed by politics. Vladimir putin says he didnt do it. Claiming his country never interfered with the u. S. Election, and calling the accusations lies. Thats not all. Wait till you hear what else he has to say about sicybersecurit. Plus, did President Trump declare war on the conservative Freedom Caucus . What he said on twitter this morning. Following her father. Ivanka trump will become assistant to the president. It is an official role, but in her case, unpaid. But it is raising new ethics questions this morning. Among them, will she disclose personal finances required by federal employees . Good morning, everyone. Im Chris Jansing in washington and were expecting to learn new details about how russia may have hacked the u. S. Election in the senates first open hearing on the investigation. Lets take a live look at capitol hill. Experts, former Intelligence Officers all testifying in front of the Intelligence Committee. With the hearing split up into two heaparts. 10 00 a. M. , it started and another part at 2 00 p. M. Eastern. The chair and vice chair are vowing not to play politics. The take away from todays hearing . Were all targets of a sophisticated and capable adversary, and we must engage in a whole of government approach to combat russian active measures. The vice chairman and i realize if we politicize this process, our efforts will likely fail. This is not innuendo or false allegations. This is not fake news. This is actually what happened to us. Were hearing a lot of praise for burr and warner, simply for being next to each other and promising a fair investigation. Thats where washington is these days, folks. Its a rare show of bipartisanship to do your job. But compare that to the house Intelligence Committees investigation into russia, which is stalled and, some would argue, collapsing. After unilaterally cancelling hearings and meetings, nunes accusing democrats of doing the stalling. Appears like the democrats are out n