Unfairly. What is wrong with having an overzealous watch Dog Committee . And isnt getting rid of this office the kind of swampy stuff that republicans across America Elected donald trump to get rid of . Theyre bringing anonymous charges and trying them in a public arena. A person targeted by that has to defend themselves after theyve been attacked publicly when they dont have a right to face their accuser. Thats a right that goes right back to jesus himself standing before the high priest. Im going to read it off the screen here, with all that congress has to work on, do they really have to make the weakening of the independent ethics watchdog as unfair as it is . So the President Elect appears to be making the argument that you guys have a lot of other things on their plate. Why make this the first move in secret the way it went down last night . I would have been happy to bring that to the floor and let
democrats vote on that independently. I think you would have seen strong support among the congressional black caucus, in particular. So they brought this amendment to the rules package last night in the organizing conference, its the appropriate way to do that but i would have preferred to bring that in the open. You would have prepared to have not voted last night and done it today . If it had not been brought up last night, it could have been brought as an amendment to the rule today and then there would have been a recorded vote on this. I think what would have been better. But we dont know whether all the democrats would have then locked up and said we are going to make republicans do this. I spoke with ethics lawyers on both sides of the aisle, that served under george w. Burke and President Obama. Uniformly there is a sense that this is the foxes guarding the hen house. How do you reassure americans who have serious concern about congressional scandals and rightfully so, that there will
be some sort of oversight when it sort of them taking your word for it, is it not . Weve always had oversight in congress. Its always been the Ethics Commite thats balanced. I would assure constituents that if you have a complaint, have an objection, take it to your member of congress. If your objection is about your member of congress, take it to another member of congress. Or you can file a public complaint with the office of congressional ethics but you cant hide behind you cant do it anonymously. And then the Ethics Committee will be doing oversight of the office of congressional ethics so theyre folded in together and there are just some rules that take away the things they were doing that are unethical. It unethical to leak confidential information to the public. Even having this conversation and you making this argument and defending the moves that you made, do you worry it going to make congress sound frankly a little bit tone deaf as theyre kicking off this new session when what you want to focus on
is not the question of ethics concerns but other issues . Thats true. Im worried about that. You worry about feeling tone deaf here. And that was a significant debate in the closed door session last night people are saying we dont need to take on this debate because we have important work to do. But the bottom line is whats going on is unjust, members have been unjustly targeted, has cost them individually millions to defend themselves against anonymous charges. No citizens would be subject to that outside the walls of congress. Anybody want to bring a charge to me, put it in an operation that operates secretly and leaks out information and defend yourself from that. Lets pull up the second part of the President Elects tweet. Do they really have to make it
as unfair as it may be their number one act and priority. Focus on tax reform, health care and so many other things of far greater importance. Why bother . Donald trump is an excellent businessman, and he takes the issues as they come. You dont get to y, well, were going to pick this up later, six months or a year from now and deal with it. This is the time we right the rules for the congress, a twoperiod of time. It would be inappropriate to say were going to write the rules at the end of the session and not the beginning of the session. Theyve spent millions of dollars, theres no positive oufrom the office of political ethics. Theyre in the business of destroying peoples reputation and by acting on anonymous complaints, many of them, if not all of them, motivated politically. I want to ask you, speaking of tweets, one of your tweets
from about 24 hours ago. You said Russian Hackers controlling our election . We know this because the cia and nsa leaked it, right . What does that mean . Well, its a little bit of a quotes in there, we know this because were assuming as a society, i can see the narrative building do you doubt the cia and nsa . I doubt the reports im getting. The intelligence reports that you are getting you dont buy . I doubt the cia and the nsa. I will say that straight out because i sat a number of reasons. One is i sat in the briefings in 2003 that laid out the case for Weapons Of Mass Destruction. I saw more evidence of Weapons Of Mass Destruction in iraq than i have seen evidence that the russians hacked this as point one. And point number two, the director of national intelligence, james clapper, was sitting next to Hillary Clinton when she informed congress in a classified setting the same stories that we heard from susan rice about it was a video that began benghazi. So pardon me if im a little skeptical here but i say show me the evidence. But you are privy to the evidence that frankly me and the rest of the American Public are not privy to. At this point i have not had an opportunity to sit in on a classified briefing but i would still be skeptical unless they showed me the hard evidence because this has all of the trappings to me of a narrative thats being created here and nobodys looking at the real evidence. Theyre just looking at opinions on evidence. So i want to see the evidence and then i want to challenge them on their train of thought. But it looks to me like this was not a hack, its more likely a leak. And if its a leak, where did it come from . The russians wouldnt have anything to leak if they hadnt hand. If theres no hack, the leaks are more likely to have come out of the cia or nsa or other intelligence committee. And if you do not trust american intelligence assessments and american Intelligence Agencies, how are the American People supposed to trust them and by extension the rest of government . I would say since ive just
described clapper and Hillary Clinton where they were as pu purveyors of the message theyre the same people. This administration is still commanded by barack obama. So i am skeptical. If this is going to be brought up, this topic, it should be brought up in the next administration with fresh faces that at least start with the presumption that theyre honorable. If they say it was the video that started benghazi, then ill say we have more to discuss. I appreciate you doing this on the first day of the new congress. Coming up, the President ElectHitting Everything from congresss move on that office of congressional investigations and ethics to the Affordable Care act to even one of the icons of the american car industry. Weve got Kristen Welker in new york outside trump tower. You heard a bit of our conversation with Congressman King on the Affordable Care act on the President Elects new tweets as well. I want to sort of start there. What is your we heard Kellyanne Conway morning say President Elect trump would weigh in on this ethics move by congress if he felt the urge to. Clearly he has felt the urge to, right . Reporter right. And i thought your point was the right one, halle. Hes underscoring why is ts the first move that were seeing from House Republicans . Significant that he is taking issue with the fact that theyve made this their top priority. At the same time, he sort of walked a fine line in that tweet saying that he agrees with part of what congressman steve king was saying, which is that it isnt as effective as it could be. Nonetheless, you heard him stress there, health care, tax reform, those are the issues that he wants to be focused on and, halle, hes tweeting today about obama care. Let me read you his tweet. He tweeted people must remember that obama care just doesnt work and its not affordable. 116 increases arizona , bill clinton called it crazy. On the campaign trail former president bill clinton did call it crazy the fact that youre seeing some of the prices skyrocket, but he later walked back those comments stressing that he thinks theres a lot of good to be salvaged in the Affordable Care act. Bottom line, donald trump is going to push republicans hard to appeal obama care. Then the question comes what do you replace it with . Kellyanne conway acknowledging at this point in time there is no real replacement. It could tack several years before they have a full replacement in place. The fight over obama care will likely be one of the first big battles of this new year and this new congressional session. We were just talking with Congressman King about the russian interference in the u. S. Election according to u. S. Intelligence assessments. The congressman has his own
views on that. When it comes to donald trump, when is he going to get this intel briefing . Do we have any better guidance he said he was looking to . Any new word on this Press Conference he has promised sometimes in the next 17 days . First to the intel briefing. Our sense is that it is going to happen at some point this week. Kellyanne cl Kellyanne Conway said a little bit later on this week so possibly tomorrow. That may be when we learn a little bit more about what donald trump says he knows about those accusations of russian hacking. He says over the weekend that he has information that other people dont have. What specifically is that information . Thats the key question that everyone is waiting to have answered. What we do know, halle, is that this is creating a real rift between the President Elect and some members of his own party, the more hawkish members of his party, senators john mccain and Lindsay Graham, senator mccain set to hold a hearing on thursday about the russian
hacking. He has been very insistent. He believes the u. S. Intelligence and he is supportive of potentially moving to enact stiffer sanctions against russia. As for that Press Conference, were hearing it could happen as early as next week, possibly on the 11th. That would of course be the day after President Obama delivers his farewell address, but we want to stress, halle, they havent nailed down an exact date yet. Were trying to get specific details on that before the end of the day as the President Elect holds more meetings here at trump tower today, halle. Kristen, thank you. Video now released of the Turkey Night ClubAttack Suspect on the run. Police out with new evidence say confirms theyre hunting for the right man. Were heading live to istanbul next. E. Liberty did what . Yeah, with Liberty Mutual all i needed to do to get an estimate was snap a photo of the damage and voila voila
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are they have all of the borders on lookout for this particular person, including the airport, border patrol, et cetera. So theyve cast the net but in terms of real concrete information, were just not hearing anything, halle. And the hope of course is that will change later in the day. Thank you. I want to bring in a former Army Intelligence officers and Research Director for the study of war. Jessi jessica, walk us through this. Why has it been so difficult for turkish officials to find this guy . Because the isis network is so expansive and turkey is engaged on multiple front, fighting their own war againin
turkey. They have released more videos, more pictures of the suspect. I assume that means theyre on the right track . Yes, i suspect they will be successful in this manhunt. This is a lot of good press that isis is leveraging as well. Isis is fighting not only through violence but through media. You mentioned idea is getting what you called good press, tongue in cheek, how do intelligence officials go back to look to see if isis really is linked to this, if isis did direct or orchestrate this in. This challenge is key to i isiss strategies to its attack. It has an appeal broadly for those willing to conduct attacks as individuals. That is a much harder attac
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to blame obama care for that. Im april afraid theyre going to yield it noneffective and not agree to a replacement until sometimes down the road. House leader mccarthy was asked about this this morning. One of the biggest problems of obama care, it was oneparty rule all the way through. I think everybody should have their ideas at the table and we should find a system that actually works that empowers the american person to have a relationship with their doctor and lower the cost. There are gestures being made here to replace the Affordable Care act if repealed with something, right . You heard Kevin Mccarty are going to be more inclusive than republicans. How do you see this playing out politically . I must say the one advantage of republicans taking ownership is that its conceivable that there will be fewer efforts to
undermine Medicaid Expansion around the states. As you know, around half the states around the country, republican states, have refused to expand medicaid simply because it is an obama program. You know, mike pence to his credit did expand it in indiana and save lives in indiana as a result and we have pretty good evidence about what is at stake when you havmore people in shu insured. You have lower mortality rates. Insurance is a big deal. 22 Million People have gained it. So, i mean, you know, look, journalists after 2016 should be really cautious about predicting political outcomes, but it sure seems to me it would not go over particularly well with the public if those 22 Million People were evicted from Health Insurance. And its hard to create a Replacement Structure without
all the bells and whistles that obama care included. Thats the thing, right . So Kellyanne Conway, who by the way is having lunch with Valerie Jarrett tomorrow, did say they want to keep the popular parts, the coverage for preexisting conditions. Donald trump has said that publicly. On the one hand thats got to be a Silver Lining to President Obama. But on the other, how do you keep those pieces and pay for them. That seems to be the construction of the issue. Its like building a Lego Structure with only half the blocks. And the mandate is very unpopular. As you remember in 2008, barack obama, the candidate, didnt want to have a mandate and Hillary Clinton at that point insisted that you had to have one. Well, she turned out to be right. And unless you have a mandate, then a lot of young, Healthy People dont sign up for Health Insurance and so you need to have that mandate to make the rest of the provisions work. So its very easy when youre in
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move of the congress, asking them to Focus On Tax Reform and health care. This was a terrible destruction and the watch dog will have its teeth removed and its bark muzzled by these changes. With me now to talk about all of this, democratic strategist liz smith, the former spokeswoman for Martin Omalleys campaign, along with republican steve cortez. This is a move, steve, to a lot of people it looks like defanging, taking the teeth out of the watch dog, the bark out of the muzzle. Donald trump weighed in but he didnt criticize the move itself. He in fact called this independent Ethics Office unfair and seemed to have more of an objection to the timing more than anything else than the actual substance of this. Does he need to be stronger given that this speaks directly to his pledge to drain the
swamp . Doesnt that make you mad . You were a guy who wanted him to drain the swamp originally. Not just originally. I still very much am. Is this training the swamp, though, steve . No. When i saw this move, i saw was bone headed and i dont like the content of it. Who cares what i think. The President Elect just weighed in against his own party with a couple of forceful tweets. Accountability and transparency, those two aspects of our movement are so important and part of the reason that we won is that americans are sick of a crony system, a rigged system in washington, d. C. That exists for its own benefit and not the benefit of main street america. You said the President Elect clashing with his own party here but he seems to be more upset about the timing here. He still called this ethics
office potentially unfair. Is that holding up to the values of accountability and transparency . Timing matters, appearances matter. We have such important work to do and only, what, i guess 17 days now until inauguration. This is the last thing we should be focused on. Im thkf, though, for the President Elects tweets. I believe it will put this issue to bed. I believe this is going to be a oneday story because of his reaction. Health care and growth should be the first priorities for this congress, not inside baseball, inside the beltway ethics skirting. Liz, do you agree . You have a major Fight Brewing over the obama care act. I think we are going to spend time on this. Voters might think government is too big. No voters are saying, wow, our
elected officials are too ethical. Republicans are forgetting recent history. I remember in 2006 democrats came back from the political wilderness, won the speakership, won back the senate, won the majority of governors races by running against a culture of corruption of the gop. We ran against all the ethical scandals with Jack Abramoff and it was in response to those scandals that democrats created the office of ethics. This is an electoral winner for democrats. Liz, i would i would say left to their own devices, i wouldnt doubt that. But they wont be left to their own devices. I put a lot of the blame of whats happened in washington, d. C. On congressional republicans, absolutely. But thats one of the reasons that donald trump, an outsider came in and beat 16 republicans. But hes going along with
this. Hes concerned with the timing, not with the actual action of this. Guys, give me one second. I want to talk about a different tweet by the President Elect. He went after gm this morning. The President Elect tweeting about gm and gm responding, by the way, about this tweet about the chevy cruze saying that all are built in the assembly plant. Is this what you want to see the President Elect doing . Hes using the bully pulpit to put managers out there on notice. Were going to create an environment in america where you want to stay. Wire going to make it profitable for you and your employees and shareholders to be here by lower taxes, sensible regulation. On the other hand, its carrot and stick. There are going to be consequences for companies who choose to do business outside of the United States in terms of access to our markets. The american citizens has not benefited over the dumb trade deals that we have erected over the past two administration, not just this one. I anticipate well see more of this. Liz, i want to get to you very quickly before we wrap up for the last word. Congressman king said to me he doubts when it comes to russian interference, he doubts the cia and he doubts the nsa. When you hear something look that, is it a concern to you . And what can democrats do about that kind of perception among their colleagues here in congress . Sure. Look, i think we should always approach these things with a dose of skepticism, and thats why we should follow the lead of john mccain, Lindsay Graham and a whole host of democrats saying that the Intelligence Agencies should make their findings more
public. Frankly, if the republicans were smart, they would see that more and more democrats are holding on to this idea that this election is illegitimate and swayed by the russians. If they wanted to legitimatize donald trump, they would embrace more transparency in getting to the bottom of russian interference. It might have been democrats russians were messing with this year but in two years, it could be republicans. Thanks for a spirited conversation. Theres a senate doubleheader tonight on the Rachel Maddow show. Bernie sanders and Incoming Democratic leader chuck schumer. A lot of news coming out at 9 00. Dont miss it. Thank you for watching this hour of msnbc live. And now more with my colleague stephanie ruhle. Im back