President saying in february that he wanted to play down the covid19 crisis. It was nothing short of deliberate deceit. Its a crisis thats claimed the lives of more than 191,000 americans, left millions more struggling financially. Nbc news does not have access to the full recordings of the president s interviews, but from what we have heard, many of President Trumps private conversations with woodward contrast with many of his public statements about this pandemic. Its also more deadly than your, you know, your even strenuous flus. View this the same as the flu. Now its turning out its not just old people, bob. Just today and yesterday some startling facts came out. Its not just old, older people. Its plenty of young people. If you look at children, children are almost and i would almost say definitely, but almost immune from this disease. They just dont have a problem. Any minute, we expect House Speaker nancy pelosi to provide that daily briefing. She will likely have something to say about all of this. Well keep a close eye on that podium there. First lets go to Nbcs Carol Lee who is falling the fallout rocking the white house. Carol, President Trump heading to michigan today. While he should be in campaign mode, the white house in damage control mode. What do we know about whats happening there behind the scenes, how theyre maneuvering this controversy . Reporter well, what were really seeing, craig, is two strategies. One is to attempt to try to discredit bob woodward. Weve seen the president and his allies say this is a hit job, and the other is to kind of make it sound like theres nothing to see here. If you look at what the president said in the recording about how he wanted to play down the virus and the discrepancies as you just showed between his Public Comments and his private comments, hes saying, yeah, if i said that, i didnt want the country to panic. We saw both of these strategies rolled out last night in the president s interview on fox news. Take a listen to some of what he had to say. On the woodward book, on the book itself, he called. I didnt participate in his last one. He does hit jobs with everybody. He even did it with obama. I dont know if the book is good or bad. I have no idea. Probably almost definitely wont read it because i dont have time to read it. I gave it a little bit of a shot. Sounds like its not going to be good. I wanted to show calmness. Im the leader of the country. I cant be jumping up and down and scaring people. I dont want to scare people. I want people not to panic. Reporter now the president s pushback could morph over time, craig. We know from our own reporting that some of his allies would like to go more on offense to really push back and outline and run ads in battleground states saying this is everything ive done to combat the coronavirus. Others want him to put the burden on joe biden, his democratic opponent to cherrypick things that biden and his allies said about coronavirus around the same time that the president did. Bottom line is, theyre very concerned. This is something that impacts all american lives. People are voting as we speaks. This is not the topic that the president and his campaign wanted to be talking about. All right. Carol lee starting us off from the white house, carol, thank you. Carol mentioned joe biden, his running mate Kamala Harris is en route to florida, another key battleground state. One of the states hardest hit by the pandemic so far. The Biden Campaign is already out with a new ad thats using the president s words against him. I wanted to always play it down. I still like playing it down. While donald trump was telling america the virus was nothing to worry about, he knew it was deadly. Its also more deadly than your even your strenuous flus. This is deadly stuff. And now 190,000 americans are dead, our economy crushed, our kids not safe in school. Trump knew it all along. Nbcs ali vitali is in miami where senator harris is expected to arrive this hour. What is on the senators and dane today, ali . What do we expect to hear from her . Reporter craig, when Kamala Harris hanlands, hell head her for a roundtable on the issues facing black voters. You mentioned this is a state ravaged by the coronavirus. We know while this is a virus that affects everyone broadly, we also know it has been particularly deadly in communities of color. So inevitably, the conversation will turn to what the pitch has been from Kamala Harris and joe biden for the length of their time since the Democratic National convention, which is a laser focus on president Donald Trumps mishandling of the pandemic. Theyve been tieing that to the current state of the economy and the recession that we still find ourselves in. Of course, its going to give way to more conversation about those comments that trump made to bob woodward. You played just now the video the Biden Campaign has already come out with, using those recordings as a way of furthering the conversation. Those comments fold really neatly into the strategy that this ticket has already been employs out here on the campaign trail. We also should consider where we are. Were in one of the swingiest swing state, florida, a state that always operates on razorthin margins. We have no reason to think it would be any different in 2020. Our latest poll shows biden and trump are neck and neck here. You cant help but look at florida through the lens of the elections that happened before it. In 2016 donald trump managed to flip the state from obama blue to donald trump red. In 2018 i spent an extra two weeks here after election day because three statewide races went to an automatic recount because they were so close. For a strategy in the midterms that saw democrats being able to flip counties that were red to be counties that are blue, thats a strategy thats writ large in a president ial as they try to flip states that were red now to being states that are blue. This is a state certainly that will come down to the margins. Its why weve seen donald trump here earlier this week, Kamala Harris here today and joe biden will be here tomorrow, craig. Lots of time there in florida for all of them over the next 54 days. Ali vitali, thank you. I want to turn to dr. Lipi roy. Dr. Roy is an internal medicine physician, also an msnbc medical contributor. Dr. Roy, were approaching 200,000 americans who have lost their lives to this virus. How many of those lives do you surmise could have been saved with a more honest recognition of the severity of the virus earlier from the president . Good morning, craig. Its good to be with you as always. I looked at the covid tracker and other data sets to look back at the number of cases and deaths back in march and april. The data that i saw, on april 1st, there were about 26,000 cases and 900 deaths. I remember back then thinking, wow, thats so many. Its like a drop in the bucket if you look at numbers today. Im going to wait for other organizations to come up with more predictive models, but easily 100,000 men, women and children could have had their lives saved. Its not just the lives saved, craig, think about all the cases, the infections, the number of people who now have chronic symptoms. These long haulers, people who will have long, chronic symptoms of dizziness, headaches, nausea, confusion, and were seeing this in children as well. Thats going to impact thousands, if not millions of people potentially. Let me just also add, craig, as a physician, if anyone in my profession conducted ourselves this way, there would be severe consequences. If i know, for example, the diagnosis of a patient and that diagnosis could be potentially fatal if i didnt do the appropriate diagnostic testing, images, procedures, referrals and initiated treatment right away, and if i did not share that diagnosis right from the getgo and did not act, not only would i lose my job, i would lose my medical license. I would be sued for medical malpractice. Where is the equivalent of that in terms of political malpractice for what the president knew in early february when most Health Care Officials didnt even know that data . To be clear what youre saying is had he sounded the alarm publicly as he was privately with bob woodward, you think up to 100,000 lives could be saved. I would want to wait for actual data. But if you look at the covid tracker, we only had not to trivialize that, thats 900 lives unnecessarily lost and 26,000 cases april 1st. So in february, even less than that. I understand his rationale the rationale of not wanting to set panic. It doesnt have to be panic if the messaging is based on data, competence and empathy. As doctors, we do this all the time. We convey bad news, negative diagnoses, bad diagnoses all the time. Its all in the messaging, craig. Its saying, hey, look, this is the reality. But were going to Work Together. Im going to make sure the scientists and dr. Faucis will be front and center every day telling the public what they need to do, what they need to know based and rooted in science. Were going to get through in together. Thats a very different message, isnt it, craig . Yeah. Bob woodward, by the way, for his part, said he didnt release the tapes of the president earlier because, quote, if i had done the story at that time about what he knew in february, thats not telling us anything we did not know. On the flip side of this, dr. Roy, do you think it could have saved lives if bob woodward put out what he knew earlier . I was just talking to a few of my colleagues this morning about that. Last night when i heard this news about the trump tapes, i thought, well, why didnt mr. Woodward release this information. None of this excuses the fact that the president still knew this and at the end of the day, its his responsibility to disseminate that information and put actions in place. Look, i wish we all knew this information early on. Theres so many things that could have been done. Masks could have been universal produced. The dpa could have been activated. Health care professionals could have acted quickly faster. More importantly, that stayathome message could have been activated earlier and longer. I really wish we in the public, especially in the Health Care Sector knew and we could have acted faster. So do the families and friends of those tens of thousands of loved ones who have died over the last few months. Dr. Lipi roy, thank you so much. Right now this virus is still ravaging so many communities. Today we are getting an intimate look at how its affecting families, especially those having to make life or death decisions. Thats the reality for the fudge family in michigan. Star fudge says she contracted coronavirus after her mask broke during a 12hour shift at a nursing home. Not long after that, her husband, chris, who already had kidney disease, he started having symptoms. Suddenly the kidney transplant he planned for a year down the line needed to happen now. Nbcs ellison barber traveled to michigan to meet that family. And she joins us now. Ellison, tell us a little more about the fudge family and their race against the clock to find them a kidney. Reporter craig, the couple tested positive for covid19 in may. Chris says he collapsed at his house. He was having seizures. An ambulance came to pick him up. He was rushed to the hospital. Days later he woke up in his hospital bed and was told that he had, in fact, tested positive for covid19. Now, he had Health Issues prior to that. Kidney disease as well as diabetes. He tells me his health was improving, he was stable. Now because of covid19 he says all the gains he made, they were wiped away. A kidney transplant that could have waited at least a year is now needed, in his words, yesterday. So his wife decided to give him hers. She takes care of all of us all the time. Before the whole covid thing, he was taking care of me with my dialysis and everything. It feels like i was taking everything from her. If there was anything i could do, i was going to do it for him. I know if it was in reverse, if i needed it, i know he would help with no hesitation. Reporter i met the couple and their three children at a park just outside of detroit here. They walk there almost every day. After starr recovered from her own battle with covid and decided she wanted to try to give her husband her kidney, she started walking every day. She lost 45 pounds, was approved as a living kidney donor. They expect to have the surgery before the end of the year, by christmas time, a new kidney for chris. Theyre not sure how theyll afford the cost that insurance doesnt cover. Starr decided to leave her job working as a cna at a nursing home because she felt it was jeopardizing the health of her family. Shes now working as a cashier at walmart. Chris is unable to work. One of their sons is autistic. They tell me, despite all of that, they know they will find a way. They say the five of us always do, even in the darkest moments, we see the light. We know another hurdle is coming. Well get over it. Once chris has their new kidney, they tell me their first plan is to go on a camping trip. Craig. My goodness, what a remarkable story. Our thoughts and sincere prayers for the fudges there in detroit. Ellison, thank you for that. We are going to dig into some of the other revelations from Bob Woodwards book, and there were a slew of them, including the president s comment that talking about White Privilege is drinking the koolaid. Well talk about that. Were also following that breaking news out west, the death toll climbing from those western wildfires that are spreading at an astonishing rate. So whats fueling them . Whats giving us images like this of skies filled with orange . Im going to ask al roker that question next. At leaf blowers. You should be mad your neighbor always wants to hang out. And you should be mad your smart fridge is unnecessarily complicated. Make ice. Making ice. But youre not mad because you have e trade which isnt complicated. Their tools make trading quicker and simpler so you can take on the markets with confidence. Dont get mad get e trade and start Trading Commission free today. Gillette proglide and proglide gel. 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Our registration makes a major commitment to feeding the American People. Renters, major commitment to keep people from being evicted and made homeless. A plan that sprang from what happened when we had the Great Recession in 20089, we had Emergency Assistance for renters weve been listening to speaker of the house nancy pelosi there. Right now shes talking about the socalled skinny covid relief bill that was proposed by Senate Majority leader mitch mcconnell. Ill have more on that later in the hour. Theres a competing bill thats already passed the house that was essentially dead on arrival in the upper chamber. The speaker is going to continue to talk about that presumably. If she pivots and starts to talk a little more about what we heard from the president yesterday and his revelations about woodwards book, well go back. Were going to monitor it closely and have more on that bill later in the hour. We should point out that those that follow the hill closely have acknowledged that either bill at this point isnt likely to pass. Meanwhile, the other big story, those wildfires that are raging out west. Those fires are spreading. The number of lives lost is growing and crews are frantically working to evacuate more people. So far at least 11 people have been killed in california and that number, the number 11 there includes two firefighters. A 1yearold boy was killed in washington state. A 12yearold boy was killed in oregon. There are right now at least 35 active fires burning in oregon with 300,000 acres charred and multiple towns, entire towns destroyed and homes lost. This is it. This is what ive got. What youre wearing right now . This is what ive got. I have no idea. I dont know what to do. Meanwhile, this is what the sky over San Francisco looks like this morning. Images of a bright orange sky, those images lit up social media wednesday. These are some of those images. This was the scene wednesday as the smoke covered the city. So far more than 2. 5 million acres have burned in california alone this fire season, and for perspectives sake, that is the size of delaware and the size of rhode island combined. Nbcs Steve Patterson is in you ki yucaipa, california. Steve, walk us through what its like there this morning. Crews any closer to being able to contain these things . Reporter craig, this gives you an idea of how dynamic not just large and fast and menacing these fires are, but dynamic. We were at the bobcat fire which is much closer to los angeles. We rushed over here, pulled off on the side of the road. You may see fire trucks whizzing by. Thats because theres an active firefight going on right now at this fire. You can see im surrounded by dry brush, this smoke coming from the valley. You can see some of the crews coming in back of me. This fire has exploded. It was had a fair bit of containment. Its actually 23 contained. Officials earlier this week thought that containment may hold, but it did not. The heavy winds came in last night, 25 miles per hour, and really blew this fire up. It hopped the highway. Were hearing three firefighters are injured. Dont have the details on that. Theyre currently battling that fire as we speak. 21,000 hears evacuated. The fire has blown up to more than 24 how acres f. You remember, this is the one that was started by that pyrotechnic device in a gender reveal gone wrong. Thats still under investigation. The thing to remember is the wind at any point can come in and completely change the face of these fires. Just to give you a sense, when you have more than 10 , 15 containment, that fire is usually on its way out. These fires, thats not the case up and down the entire state of california where it is so dynamic and it can change on a dime based on weather conditions which have been absolutely awful, craig. Well send it back to you. All right, Steve Patterson in california. Speaking of weather conditions, lets turn to nbcs al roker. Al, it seems like every year the fire season gets worse. In california alone, more than 2. 5 million acres, the most in 20 years. What do we know about whats fueling these fires at such an astonishing rate . Two simple things, craig, climate change. Those who dont believe it do so at their own peril. Since 1970 in the western u. S. , the fire season now is about 105 days longer on average. Were not even were just about at the peak of fire season. It started early this year. The annual number of large fires has tripled, and each year on average, six times as many acres burning now as in 1970. Of course, the wildfire season, the ingredients for it so far this year, we had an historic august heat wave that shattered, obliterated records. An even in september, alltime hottest september records set this week, crazy hot. And because of that, that hot, dry summer weather makes for much drier vegetation. That provides the fuel. Of course, as Steve Patterson mentioned, that one fire hes dealing with was due to human activity. However, in august we had 14,000 lightning strikes between august 15th and september 5th. That sparked 900 new fires, and that caused a big problem. And, of course, besides the fire, were talking very unhealthy air. Offshore winds pushing the thick smoke toward the coast. Air quality warnings are in effect and especially in the Pacific Northwest, the problem is right now even though the temperatures are down a bit, humidity levels, unfortunately, are down, way down. So the air is very dry and that is not helping firefighters. Air quality alerts from seattle to medford not looking good. Poor visibility due to the smoke from the fires and we do have, craig, red flag warnings in the Pacific Northwest continuing. Not as bad as it was earlier this week, but still a real m s mess. Again, especially in the Pacific Northwest, big problems. Our offcamera meteorologist sherry pugh is working remotely right now in portland, oregon, and the sky there is yellow. If you can see what it looks like, you know that air isnt that good to be breathing. Thank you, al. Thank you, well see you tomorrow morning on today. Meanwhile, as we turn back to politics, when bob woodward asked President Trump if he has a responsibility to understand the pain felt by black americans, the president responded, quote, no, i dont feel that at all. Ill talk to eddie glaude about that next. Whether its over the, whether its over the, online, or in your office, were here to listen and provide solutions that help you run your business better. Because the decisions you make have far reaching implications. And a relationship with a Corporate Bank like pnc can provide just what you need. As one of the nations largest banks, pnc brings customized insights and a local approach. 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Listen to you. Wow. No, i dont feel that at all. I want to bring in eddie glaude, chairman of the department of africanamerican studys at princeton, also an msnbc contributor, chairperson of the africanamerican studies department. Eddie, no, i dont feel that at all. Your reaction . We know that donald trump lax a certain kind of capacity for empathy. We know his selfawareness only exists within the bounds of a certain kind of narcissim, so it makes sense that he would say what he said. But its also, craig, i think a sign of his confusion, and thats a generous read. He also said in the tapes that weve heard that he admitted theres Something Like systemic racism. So if you admit there is Something Like systemic racism, then you have to understand how that evidences itself. One of the ways is the way in which whiteness is privileged in the the way of advantage and disadvantage. He doesnt have the capacity to understand it in some ways. That might be a generous read. Or he doesnt give a damn. That might be the more accurate read. That part of the interview that you just referenced, i want to play that part for our viewers and listeners on sirius satellite radio. Here is the exchange you referenced. You think there is system attic or institutional racism in this country . Well, i think there is everywhere. I think probably less here than most places or less here than many places. Okay. But is it here in a way that it has an impact on peoples lives . I think it is, and its unfortunate, but i think it is. I was actually a bit surprised, professor glaude, to hear the president acknowledge the existence of institutional racism. Were you surprised at all by that or no . I was actually. But you read that alongside the earlier comment about youre really drinking the koolaid. Then you have to ask yourself the question, what does he think he means by the phrase systemic racism. When we hear the question asked to attorney general barr with regards to policing, hell deny there is such a thing. So when donald trump concedes theres institutional or structural or systemic racism in the country, i dont know what he actually means by that. Is it evidenced in the Education System . Is it evidenced the wealth gap . Is it evidenced in real estate, in Health Care Delivery . What does he mean . Im not sure. When we begin to drill down, what we do know is this, what the evidence is clear about, hes constantly appealing to white fear, white resentment. We see members from the office of management and budget, we see whats happening in the department of education with betsy devos. If he does believe theres such a thing, his actions suggest he doesnt care about it at all in terms of its effects. Ive posed this question probably hundreds of times over the past 3 1 2 years. There was, of course, the impeachment. Seems like a lifetime ago. This week alone theres the cohen book, the first woodward book, now theres this book thats a bombshell. Does any of it matter, eddie, professor glaude . By that i mean, theres so much noise, does this cut through, will this make any difference in how people view the president . Im not sure to be honest with you. Craig, it feels like were in as the world turns or all my children. Its a soap opera, and were addicted to it. We know the plot. We know the evil characters. We know the twists and this book, like the cohen book, like Mike Schmitts book, like Michael Wolffs book, we can go on and on, are simply details to reveal the substance of a character that it seems to me that the country watches and reali relishes, even if they disagree. We might not be in a reality show, craig, but it feels like a soap opera version of one. To answer your question directly, im not sure it will change much. Look how the woodward story has displaced in some ways the bombshell atlantic story. Were in a vortex, being whipped around. In the meantime, craig, really quickly, wildfires, pandemic, economic devastation and the like. Its just crazy, man. Yeah, it is. In fact, thats probably the most appropriate Bumper Sticker for 2020, its just crazy, man. Professor eddie glaude, thank you. On monday, his first live interview, bob woodward on today. Savannah will talk to him monday morning. Voting by mail. Unchartered territory in a lot of states. So how are election boards, how are they getting from zero to 60 with just 54 days to election night. Were going to go live to pennsylvania to take a look at precisely how. First, though, are you ready for some football . The nfl season kicking off in just a few hours. Theres a New Washington post poll that finds a majority of americans, 56 say it is appropriate for athletes to kneel during the national anthem. 62 said professional athletes should use their platforms to express their views on national issues. I talked to Seattle Seahawks coach pete carroll on the third hour of msh today about the new season and the precautions theyre taking in this pandemic. Were taking every precaution we can any of. Its been an off season of trying to figure out all the scenarios, all the opportunities where we could make good decisions and good choices to keep everything clean and right and proper. Theres nothing that were not working with. For any amount you choose instead of buying by the share. All with no commissions. Stocks by the slice from fidelity. Get your slice today. Stocks by the slice from fidelity. Start your day with secret. Secret stops sweat 3x more than ordinary antiperspirants. With secret, youre unstoppable. No sweat try it and love it or get your money back. Our flight is early tomorrow. And its a long flight too. Once we get there, we will need. Buttercup across the country were seeing how the debate over voting by mail is affecting different states and counties. While places like colorado who have a lot of experience, for places like pennsylvania its fairly unchartered territory. Last year only 5 of kbal lots cast there were absentee. With the pandemic its expected more than half of the voters in pennsylvania will do so by mail. For some counties there, its triggering serious concerns about delays in getting results. Nbcs dasha burns traveled to one of those places. She is in Beaver County in western pennsylvania for our countytocounty series. Dasha, take us through the concerns there and how the county plans to address them . Reporter craig, this room may not be very big, but it is literally where all the magic happens in Beaver County on election day. This time around the folks working here, theyre going to have to battle the clock in a serious way. Right now, as the rules stand in pennsylvania, they cant start opening these mailin ballots this is a prop im using as a sample, they cant start opening these until the morning of election day and cant start counting them until polls close on election night. I want to show you exactly why that could mean folks see serious challenges and maybe significant delays. The most time consuming part of the process isnt actually counting the ballots, its preparing them to be counted. Im going to do that and time myself. Im starting the timer new, and put this envelope into the electronic letter opener. This is a brand new addition just for 2020. They didnt have these before. Theres the second envelope in here, the secret envelope. You have to do the same thing with that one. Once thats through, you take the ballot out. Its all folded up. You have to do some back bending. The election director told me sometimes they roll them, ima imagine a dollar bill going into a vending machine. Then we can go ahead and take this and put it on the scanner to be scanned. That took me 40 seconds, thats just for one ballot, craig. Theyre expecting about 40,000 mailin ballots based on what they saw here in the primary. Thats ten times more than they usually have because of the pandemic and because the state implemented no excuse absentee voting. Its the first Election Year where they have that. So we did a little bit of math, craig. That 40,000 ballots means about 600 hours of labor. So a lot of work to be done here. Theyre hoping they might be able to start processing those a little earlier if the state agrees to change the rules. Craig. And to be clear, they do it all in that one room . Reporter everything happens in here. The regular ballots, and they scan them and they count the mailin ballot. Everything happens right here. Okay. Dasha burns, that was fascinating. Thank you. 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How life unfolds. Right now some of President Trumps allies are placing the blame for this bob woodward interview outrage on one of their own. Senator Lindsey Graham. Politico reports that the senior senator from South Carolina, quote, helped to persuade trump to participate in the book, and told him that president george w. Bush once cooperated with a woodward book and it turned out far better as a result. I want to bring in Jaime Harrison, a democrat running for the u. S. Senate against graham in South Carolina and again, for the record, we should note we have invited senator graham onto this show as well. Mr. Harrison, senator graham has been, as you know, one of the president s most vocal and prominent supporters. Now hes facing some heat from just about every direction because of this book, it would seem. How does this affect your campaign strategy, or does it . Well, craig, it really doesnt. I dont really care whether Lindsey Graham sat for a bad interview with a reporter. My question was, lindsey was in the room when one of those interviews took place. Did lindsey know the federal government was downplaying the virus . You know, back here, he was saying, you know, do what you want normally do to prevent the flu, instead of saying, this is a lifethreatening pandemic and you really need to take it seriously. And weve seen that he moved the goal post multiple times. At first he said success was 50,000 deaths, then 100,000 deaths, then 120,000 deaths. The death toll right now is around 190,000 deaths and many scientists and Health Care Professionals believe it will be double that by the end of the year. When are we going to hold Lindsey Graham accountable for being a part of this debacle as it relates to effectively addressing the coronavirus . Thats the thing im most concerned about. The politics, the washington game, whos to blame for this and that, i dont really care. I dont think the people in South Carolina really care. But what they care about is the type of leadership to address this issue. Perhaps youre aware that an outside group called the lincoln probably has a new ad calling senator graham a parasite. The group is backing the ad with a 1 million spend in South Carolina. This is part of the ad. I am all in. Keep it up, donald. Everything he said was true. Parasite dont care if they feed off a good host. I love him to death. Or an evil one. They only have one purpose. To feed. Theres only one way to stop a parasite. Deprive it of its host. Jaime, how much do groups or donors from outside South Carolina, how much have they helped your run . Craig, weve gotten so much support, not only from here in South Carolina, but weve gotten contributions from every county in the state. Weve also had friends who contributed outside. Senator graham has seen the same thing. As it relates to that ad, listen, man, when elephants are tumbling, youve got a republican, a group of republicans running ads against another republican, you know, i stay out of the way. I just focus on, what my grandma used to teach me, jaime, control what you can control. We are building a Grassroots Movement here in South Carolina like we have never seen before. Just this weekend, man, i was driving my kids around, and my son started counting Jaime Harrison signs that he saw along the road. He got to about 50 Jamie Harrison sign, one donald trump sign, one joe biden sign, and no Lindsey Graham signs. So im feeling really good right now. If folks want to join me, go to jai jaimeharrison. Com so we can send Lindsey Graham home. Whats your strategy with your campaigns facebook spending . Whats the thinking . In march we decided to transition to virtual campaigning. In an effort to lead by example, to make sure we were protecting south carolinians. We dont want to have these massive rallies and things that get our folks infected with the coronavirus, particularly communities that we know are vulnerable to this virus. And so we decided to really lean in into the virtual campaigning aspect. We know that facebook is a major vehicle by which people get their news and information here in South Carolina. And so we decided to make sure that that was one of the vehicles that were utilizing to reach all 46 counties, reach all the people in South Carolina, and get our message of hope, about bringing hope back to South Carolina, get that message out to the people. All right, Jaime Harrison, well have to leave it there, jaime, thank you, thanks for your time. Thank you, craig, take care now. Before we go, some tragic news in South Carolina that really underscores the toll of this pandemic. 28yearold third grade teacher Demi Banister died this week after contracting the coronavirus. She returned to her classroom less than two weeks ago. 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Im Andrea Mitchell in washington, where trump aides are scrambling, blindsided by the revelation that President Trump had spoken 18 times to bob woodward and agreed to let the celebrated Investigative Reporter tape those conversations. There is fallout today from the president s acknowledgement that he deliberately misled the American People about how deadly the coronavirus was when he said this to bob woodward on february 7. It goes through air, bob. Thats always tougher than the touch. You know the touch you dont have to touch things, right. But the air, you just breathe the air and thats how its passed. And so thats a very tricky one. Thats a very delicate one. Uh, its also more deadly