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Lets break this all down with in the next hour, two major nancy cook, White House Reporter developments on the world stage. For politico. David drucker, jim messina, the u. S. Leaves a treaty. Former Obama Campaign manager and White House Deputy chief of staff, now the ceo of the my colleague Andrea Mitchell will have much more. Ty my colleague Andrea Mitchell messina group. Will have much more. And susan del percio, msnbc. When a plan stops being a plan and gets set into motion. Analyst. Nancy, you wrote earlier about todays merrill can help you get there trumps playbook and how hes with the people, tools, and personalized advice leaning in to racially divisive rhetoric. What did you see last night and to help turn your ambitions into action. How does it fit into that strategy . I think he pulled back from what would you like the power to do . His comments at last weeks rally when the crowd chanted send her back and he sort of let that go those darn seatbelts got me all crumpled up. Thats ok on for about 13 seconds. Hey, guys we didnt see that last night. Hi mrs. Patterson. Instead what we saw him doubling down on was really going after inner cities, democrats who have wrinkles send the wrong message. Run them in baltimore. He compared baltimore saying it sorry. Help prevent them before they start was as dangerous and as with new downy wrinkleguard. Murderdriven as afghanistan. And then he even joked about how that would become a headline today. So he is really doubling down on this idea that inner cities are places of danger that democrats have been poor stewed stewards of them and that theyve wasted money. And this morning he was hinting that cummings hows had been burglarized and he was gloating about that. I think were seeing him lean into this racially divisive playbook ahead of 2020. The president does seem as though he is consistent, he is not going to back away from going after inner cities. 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Month ago all the kennedy cousins came here to celebrate and i also watched the night before, that was long, long the fourth of july and there was television. And the democrats spent more that wonderful picture with all of them smiling. Time attacking barack obama than now they gather in anguish. Whats happening today here is Liberty Mutual customizes your car insurance, hmm. Exactly. They did attacking me as a matter so you only pay for what you need. Nice. But, uh. Practically. [ cheers and applause ] whats up with your. Partner . You didnt need donald trump, not again. Limu thats your reflection. Jim, to notice that or to think only pay for what you need. That it was a bad strategy. Liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty do you see that the criticism is going to have an impact . Were going all in thion strawberries. Ra, how do you read how that all at their reddest, ripest, went down and going after barack they make everything better. 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We have to figure that out on former Obama Administration the third debate because i officials and other party thought that was a questionable leaders scratching their heads strategy for democrats. About why most of the democratic david, i have to say that we candidates are attacking barack havent exactly seen very many of those from the republican obama more than donald trump. A strategy playing right into side, although what we are the president s hands. Starting to see is people peeling away from the party, and we had a lot of surprise including the person who is supposed to be recruiting people expressed by the president about that as well. To run for the house has decided meanwhile, blast off. The u. S. Quits a missile treaty not to run for reelection. They will no longer have, unless with russia negotiated by ronald reagan, even as north korea something happens unexpected in 2020, they no longer will have an africanamerican member of tests more missiles. 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Revealing she once tried to think they will win back some seats on the net, but i dont see them winning the house at that point. And so a lot of times when that happens, you see a flurry of retirements. I think weve seen the exodus of members that have a hard time existing comfortably in a Republican Party where the pop pew lifrts asts are in control than the conservatives. Right now with this president in charge, the majority partner is the pap pew lisopulists and i t of them have grown tired of having to answer for him. Additionally, there are a lot of republicans that arent going anywhere anytime soon. And theyre also tired of explaining the president on a daily basis, but theyre looking at it a little bit differently than some of their colleagues that are retiring. They feel in some regard that the media is playing gotcha with them. That its always framed up what do you have to say about trump . It may sound like a copout to sum, but theyre exhausted. And they know trump is going to be letting loose with this rhetoric probably on a ty dont want to be on the defensive. So a lot of them are beginning to shut up. And the other thing that is happening is as theyve watched the two first democratic debates, they are even more uncomfortable with a lot of the policies being proposed by leading democratic president ial candidates than they are with trumps behavior. And in a choice between trump in term two and unknown liberal democrat in term one, theyll go with trump however reluctantly. How do you read these decisions, susan del percio . You have the sixth Congress Member in ten days to say im done. Is this just part of what happens when it looks like youre not going to regain power and its no fun not to be in power . And we can all agree with that, its a lot more fun to be in control. Of course. Is there something bigger at work here . What do you think is going on with the people staying behind . I think congressman hurds from one of the few swing districts that were still left and held by republicans. So for him, why he would go through this . He doesnt want to defend the president. He said he would still vote for the president. Okay, thats nice, he still wants to have a career in politics so of course he would say that and im fine with it. Well see what he actually does. But, being a republican right now, if you are not with the donald trump side and youre just simply someone who, lets say, has been in office for 20 years and is just appalled with what donald trump has done, you really have to start saying what is it worth . How do i explain this to my family, to my children . Donald trump has just hurt the brand and i dont want to say its ruined forever, but if he gets reelected i think we actually will see it branch off into two separate parties. Yeah, one of the things we heard a lot, david, from beto orourke at the debate was that, you know, texas could be in play, i could be the one to keep it in play. And i wonder that given that three of the republicans pulling themselves out of the race are from texas, does he maybe have a point . Well, you know, i spent debate night in houston with a bunch of beto orourke supporters and they definitely believe after what they saw in 2018 a narrow loss to ted cruz, 2. 6 percentage points, that he could flip texas if he was the nominee. I think its a little bit too soon, but i do think having covered texas for over a decade that it is evolving and it is changing. The texas suburbs are going blue a little at a time. We saw evidence of that in 2018 with a couple of flipped house seats. Another suburban houston house seat could flip in 2020. So i think this is very real. And i think republicans have to be on guard about this because they lose texas electoral votes in a president ial contest and unless they can replace them and right now theres nowhere to replace them, they cannot win the white house. So orourke has a point. 2020 might be a little bit too soon, but this is an evolution that is happening and is coming. Jim, how fluid do you see the map being . I was thinking as i was watching the president last night that not so long ago a lot of really smart people who i respect said ohio is now firmly red. And then i talked to some people in ohio and they say dont be so sure, dont be so quick, lets see who the democratic nominee is, lets see where the economy goes. How fluid do you see the map overall in places like texas . Ohio . I agree, i think texas its a little bit early. But i think ohio say great example . We have to see who the democratic nominees and see where this race is. President trumps strategy of just talking to his base is driving swing voters back to the Democratic Party in real ways. Californias a great example of this, right . I mean, republicans only have six congressional seats out of 53 left in the states. They lost every single house statewide race. Texas suburbs are coming very big. Youre seeing retirements all over the place. These suburban seats are becoming really really difficult for the republicans. And you apply that to the general election map in a president ial election, then you start saying, whoa, now were talking about ohio being back on the map, suddenly florida looks really, really doable for the democrats. So the math just changes in really really interesting ways. And really expands. That said, chris, i think we are need to focus on the midwestern states. Probably were t this math and you get retirements in the midwest from republicans too. Hes just making a really really hard for anyone not named donald trump to be a republican on the ballot in 2020. Jim, david, nancy, thank you so much. Susan, youre staying with us. And coming up, the moral case against donald trump. One New York Times columnist arguing that democrats will need to spur an uprising of decency if they want to beat trump and the movement he inspired four years ago. But which candidate is the best to do that . Ill talk about it with one contender whos hoping to make the case, billionaire tom steyer. Plus, well talk about how he plans to make the debate stage as our latest tally shows more than half the field still has not met the qualifications. L has not met the qualifications hey, who are you . Oh, hey jeff, im a car thief. What . im here to steal your car because, well, thats my job. What . What . . What . laughing what . . What . what . [crash] what . haha, it happens. 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That was easy glad i could help. At xfinity, were here to make life simple. Easy. Awesome. So come ask, shop, discover at your xfinity store today. Big news. One more democratic president ial candidate has met the requirements for the third debate in september. But, about a dozen more remain on the bubble. Msnbc News National politico correspondent Steve Kornacki is here with that as we are waiting for the results of the first post debate poll. But lets start with how are things looking right now . Everyones so interested in the polling thats going to come out from this debate because its going to have a lot do, maybe everything do with who survives. Who gets on the next debate stage. The criteria goes up. If you want to say in these debates, next one is midseptember, youve got get 130,000 unique donors and youve got hit 2 in four or more polls. 2 doesnt sound like much. Thats a very high threshold. Here is what we mean. There are 25 democrats out there who are running right now. Some of them didnt even make the last round of debates but they are still candidates. So right now if you look at that criteria, who meets the criteria . Who stays in the next debate . That the moment, eight candidates. You mentioned klobuchar, she just cleared the fundraising threshold, she becomes the eighth. These eight look like they have tickets to stay in these debates. There are two more who are on the cusp of making it. Thats julian castro, andrew yang, theyve hit three of the four polls they need. You have until the end of this month. You have until august 28th to hit the polling criteria. If castro or yang can get one more of those polls, they will be in for the next round of debates that. Would give you ten candidates. Weve been seeing debates with ten candidates on the stage. Maybe that would be only one debate, only one night of debating. There are a few others, hickenlooper, gabbard who have well see what happens here with Steve Bullock as well who got his first shot at the debate and then the wildcard, tom steyer. You can see hes spending a lot of money getting his polling numbers up. Even if his money gets him polling support in the next few weeks, is he going to get that donor number . Are a lot of people going to donate . 25 candidates could be down as few as ten. Well, i think a lot of people not so long ago were saying it could be as small as six or eight. So ten, and then if we go to 11 thats two nights, right . Thats the question. If they had 11 will they say well add one more podium close enough. I think there might be some eager hns to g eagerness to get this down to one stage. Thank you so much. Joining me now, democratic candidate tom steyer. Steve just laid out what the challenge is. Can you get 130,000 people to donate to a billionaire . Yes. How . We watch it every single day and were going to have to do our work. Where are you now . Were on track do that. Ha does that seen in how many so far . Because youve got 27 days, 26, 27 days. How many so far . We are on track. I dont have the exact number in my head, but i know that every single day we get more. And then if we stay at this pace we make it. So the real question, chris, is do i have something to say . Do i have a vision and a message that people react to and people listen to and say, thats true. And my message is well lets start with the number one criteria, can we . The number one criteria for democrats is who can beat donald trump . Okay. Why you . Well, let me put it to you this way. Mr. Trump is going to run on the economy. I built a business from scratch into a very big business successfully. I know how the economy works, im the person who by far the best understands how economics works and why hes such a fraud and a failure when it comes to economics. You can see it today. His chinese trade war is blowing up in his face. One of his many economic failures. Id love to take on mr. Trump on the economy because he has no idea what hes talking about. Realistically, though, first of all, selffunded candidates largely selffunded, youve said youre willing to put an awful lot of money into it have not historically done well. But more than that, i hear when i go out on the campaign trail that one thing weve learned from donald trump is that a businessman with no political experience never should have been elected in the first place. That should have those should have been warning signs and if youre looking for something different, thats not the way to go. How do you overcome that . Well, chris, my basic point is that the American Government is broken, that its been bought by corporations, and that we need to put power back to the people. And for the last ten years ive been organizing coalitions of ordinary citizens to fight and beat corporate power. If you look at my record, i have done direct democracy, meaning propositions in the states going directly to the voters to pass laws to take on the oil companies, the drug companies, the tobacco companies. Ive done this full time for years very effectively as an outsider. So when you say you want someone with experience, for ten years as an outsider i have been taking on corporate powers and winning. So if you believe that the key point in american politics is that we have a broken government as a result of a hostile corporate takeover, who do you want to lead the refermation . Do you want it to be an outsider who has been doing it ten years successfully . Or do you want it to go to insiders to count on them to reform the system that theyve been part of some thats the question for the mirn people. Do you believe an outside we are grassroots experience can do it . For better or worse, fairly or not, what youre best known for among the people who do know you is impeachment. And as an example. True. Of grassroots, it hasnt happened. In fact, a lot of people think that ship has sailed. At least until 2020. Are you worried and is it fair for people to look at you and say, look, this is the guy who was trying and spent so much money on impeachment and we arent there. You know, chris, its funny youd say that because more than 8 Million People have signed the need to impeach petition, the organization that i started. In fact, weve won the argument. Everybody in d. C. Knows this president s the most corrupt in history. He is unfit for the office. We should protect the constitution but just to be fair, youre not taking credit for people knowing that. Let me just finish. The other thing is your campaign is not why people know that. More than half of the Democratic House of representatives members have publicly come out for an impeachment inquiry. When you say that ship has sailed, actually, more than half of the Democratic House members have come out for it. So in fact, not only do the vast bulk of democratic voters agree with the need to impeach this president , more than half of the Democratic House members. So when you say its over, its actually just picking up steam. Im not disagreeing with that. What i am looking at now is a recent survey that found only 18 of democrats said that impeachment was even one of their top three concerns. So tell me well tell me a little bit more about beyond that economic message that you say you have. Foreign policy experience, the breadth of what a president needs to do, including, and, again there are what i hear from people who even some people who voted for donald trump, he went in there and he didnt know how congress worked. He didnt know how to get a bill passed. He didnt the lack of experience within the system which seemed so attractive to a lot of people 2 1 2 years ago, will it still be . Chris, i spent three decades as an investor investing around the world. When it comes to understanding how america interacts with other countries, what makes us successful in our relationships with our allies, the way to deal with people, countries that i would describe as frenemies like china, thats something ive spent decades on that i dont believe anyone else who is in this field understands how i do granularly how the United States needs to both work with other countries to move Forward Together and to stand up for our interests at the same time. That is something that i have done literally for decades. And i feel incredibly confident about understanding how this world works in reality, how the United States interests work in conjunction with other countries, working together to solve problems. Talk for one second about what i consider to be the most pressing problem facing us, which is climate. What i said in my climate plan, which i put out a week ago, is that we need to declare a state of emergency on day one. Make sure we work from environmental justice, but also use it to build a coalition around the world of American Leadership which reflects our moral, technological, and industrial leadership. That is the kind of move we need to make as a country. To not only solve our most pressing issue, but to reestablish what it means to be an american and americas role in the world. We are almost out of time and i want to ask you thats exactly the kind of cooperation we need. Very quickly, if you dont make the debate stage in september, does that make or break for your campaign . I will make the debate stage. And if you dont . I will. Tom steyer, thank you so much. Appreciate your time. 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Yeah, these are hot off the presses, so hot off the presses im not sure we have the graphics. I can tell you what we got here. Its a more consult poll. Theyve been doing weekly tracking on the democratic field, but they did a oneday poll. It was conducted entirely yesterday, about 2,400 respondents. Mar given error about 2 . They have joe biden in this post debate poll 32 had the Bernie Sanders second place, 18. Elizabeth warren 15. Kamala harris 10. Pete buttigieg 6. Cory booker 3. Beto orourke 3. Andrew yang 2. Yes, what youre saying about joe biden absolutely right. If you look at their last weekly poll that number is essentially unchanged for joe biden so hes flat in their poll and no big drop, no big gain. Thats probably a win for the front runner. As you say, the only Real Movement you see in this poll if you look right down it is warren is up a couple of points and harris is down a couple of points. They were essentially tied before, you you got warren two points is within the margin of error . Its subtle movement. The overall is biden flat, front runner maintains it and the rest of the field no big change here and nobody jumping up. None of these other names that we talked about earlier needing that breakout moment, you dont see Marianne Williamson and any of these other names suddenly popping in this poll . What do you make of it . I think we have to remember that polls are a snapshot at the time. At the time joe biden has demonstrated to the american people, to the social media bubble, and to the media, that he has been able to take a bruising, keep on cruising, take a licking and keep on ticking. And the fact of the matter is, i havent looked directly into the details brir suspe details, but i suspect that means his support among the most loyal block in this party, africanamerican voters has not changed the i will say this until im democratic blue in the face. Africanamerican voters will decide who our next nominee will be and arguably who the next president of the United States will be. That does not mean that the Biden Campaign can take it for granted and that does not mean that the other campaigns do not have room to grow because theres a lot of time left on the clock. Double her support last time was Kamala Harris. We are not seeing this in this poll. Do you think that is, beth, because maybe the last time people were really for the first time unlike all of us who were on top of this all the time were getting their first lay of the land and nothing so different happened that it could have somebody making a move that big . Well, actually, chris, what im struck by with this poll, i havent delved into the details either. But the top line is basically its been the same for months. Weve got a to tier. Weve got five candidates in that top tier. Biden, bernie, Kamala Harris, elizabeth warren, Pete Buttigieg with beto a little lower than the rest. What it says to me is to echo your point, is that joe biden has been able to stay on top of that top tier consistently throughout, despite all this pandering that everybody has done. Certainly after the first debate where he looked shaky under that assault from Kamala Harris. But even after this next one where he did look better but he was halting, he seemed to forget words in the middle o his sentences. A lot of the answers would trail off. He was taking a lot of incoming from everybody on the stage and hand will it in a way that didnt project having strength. This shows that his folks are staying with him. That shows what you were saying, keep a licking and teen on ticking. Wheres my watch . He took so much incoming is what people saw there, not the trailing off of the sentences, not the sometimes seeming to lose occasionally his tracin of thought. He gave as good as he got. Were inside this bubble and theres a disconnect between what we think and what everyday people think and what makes news. Weve seen this demonstrated time and time again and particularly in this particular primary. People care about real life issues and the most important thing theyve said at the poll, who can beat donald trump . Now for me its not just beating about donald trump, its about who can bring this Party Together and who can help candidates up and down the ballot next year because all of this will have freeh tremendous impact for generations. In fairness to your point about biden, he certainly is somebody whos gotten tremendous loyalty and great affection from many democrats. On the other hand, every time he has one of those shakyish debate performances, that does worry a lot of democrats who for them beating trump is the only goal. Its not about how much people love the guy, its can he stand on that debate staple and ge kn what a tough opponent hes going to be. Democrats are concerned about that. Youre assuming people are using the debate measuring their support by how a person performs on the debate stage. If the twitter lodger was true, he would continue to be the front runner if it was solely based on his debate performances. Two things i was looking for, one when cory booker do the Kamala Harris jump. That did not happen. It was widely agreed that he had really good night. Second thing ways looking for frankly was Marianne Williamson. Lets not forget that she kind of set twitter on fire when she said this. This is part of the dark underbelly of american society. [ cheers and applause ] the racism, the bigotry, and the entire conversation that were having here tonight, if you think any of this wonkiness is going to deal with this dark psychic force of the collectivized hatred that this president is bringing up in this country, then im afraid the democrats are going to see some very dark days. In todays New York Times david brooks rights while many of williamsons ideas are whacka doodle, when it comes to donald trump she is right about this. Weve never dealt with a figure like this in American History before. This man, our president , is not just a politician, hes a phenomenon. And an insider political game will not be able to defeat it. The only thing that will defeat him is if we have a phenomenon of equal force and that phenomenon is a moral uprising of the american people. So im still looking at the look on your face. Steve, whos a numbers guy. But there is something to be said about a feeling that people take away, right . Like who is the counter . Who is the counter to donald trump . Is there something a little squishier that a poll cant necessarily define that is really ha the average voter is looking for . I think what youre showing from david brooks gets to a bigger question weve all had since 2016. Theres a camp of people who i think tend ton overread what trump pulleda uh in 2016 and a camp of people who maybe tend to underread it. But what brooks is essentially saying there is youve got bloi blow up the entire playbook to a man who lost the popular vote by 2. 8 million votes and is only president because he stitched together a 75,000 vote pluralality across three states. You cant have an insider, the joe biden to democrats is dont overthink this. I can make up 75,000 votes in michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin and then thats it for donald trump. So thats one theory. Now there are san entire different theory theres new polarization and knew tribalism that trump brings about. But trump didnt win by ten points. He didnt win by the popular vote. Theres a real nervousness among democrats, look, they still wake up in the middle of the night with hives remembering what it was like the day after the election. And theyre so afraid that thats going to happen again that i wonder if they maybe overproject. Well, and to that point, chris, remember in 2016 Hillary Clinton spent a lot of time talking about how trump is simply unacceptable, that his character, that his moral sort of authority was not sufficient to become the president of the United States. He became the president of the United States anyway. So theres a fear of kind of going down that track that david brooks is describing as talking about his unsuitability to be president. Because it didnt work last time and democrats need to come down hard on policy. Which is why were seeing so much of that in the democratic field. So nobody really knows for sure. Now as steve put it, what happened with trump in 2016 was sort of an unprecedented situation and it may not we may never know exactly how that came about. I dont think we can turn down the volume on some of the things that happened in the 2016 election, like Voter Suppression that impacted certain states that we should have won, in my opinion we didnt. Some investments we probably should have made. Yeah. On the ground. And with the combination of a hightech and the hightouch campaign. And the fact is we know that russias meddling in the election played some role in the outcome of the election. We cant dismiss any of that. But the fact of the matter is, we cant play this game to repeat what we did in 2016, have this gigantic turnout and we win the popular vote and not within the Electoral College. What that means for us is that we have to have a real strategy that will make sense for us to win the Electoral College and the overall popular vote. Antwan, beth, Steve Kornacki, thank you for going with the breaking news which is once again we have our first poll after the second debate. Not much has changed, joe biden holding strong. There you see the numbers. Biden, sanders, warren, harris, buttigieg, booker. Weve seen those top five staying pretty consistent over the last several months. Were also following breaking news in the eric garner case. A judge has just recommended termination for the officer accused. Were joined now by phone here with the reporter. What are the details. Reporter what i can tell you is as you pointed out it was just a short while ago reports came in that the Department Commissioner with the Police Department, she is the one presiding over this, she has now recommended that the officer involved in the choking death of eric garner be fired from the Police Department. We are outside right now, just stepped out of a car to go inside of the National Action network where reverend al sharpton is holding a press conference with some members of the eric garners family. But this might be the news, it seems, that the Garner Family has been waiting for for five years. They have been demanding that the Police Department fire the officer ever since it happened back in 2014. Instead, he was placed on desk duty and allowed to remain with the Police Department. Other agencies have refused to file any charges against him, including the Justice Department and recently William Barrs department, the attorney general, has said he did not see merit in filing any civil rights charges against him. And the family was outraged about that. But today there should be some joy in this family. Because what they have been calling for, it now seems its being recommended by the Department Commissioner childs. What she is going to do, now it goes to the civil the Community Civil review board, Complaint Review board. And the officers attorney, they will have about two weeks to make some recommendation before they then turn it over to the new York City Police commissioner oneil. And he will make the final decision. What we hear today coming from the Deputy Commissioner of trials is a recommendation of what should happen to the officer and the final decision will come from the police commissioner. Im going to interrupt you because eric garners daughter is speaking right now. Lets listen. Weve waited five years. Ccrb has made the recommendation. Commissioner oneil, fire him, thats all were asking. Were asking for the congressional hearings. Were going to keep fighting for the eric garner law. But five years is too lopping. Commissioner oneil, do your job. Thank you for your support, everyone. Any questions . [ inaudible question ] i think im feeling the same way my entire family is feeling, which is its been too long. Weve been waiting for five years for someone to say that he did something wrong. And they finally made that decision today. So we dont want to wait no more. Make your decision, mr. Oneil, as soon as possible. [ inaudible question ] i dont think that we can say yet the tide is turning until we have the congressional hearings and have the law change. The a fight and were up