Sent to Vice President biden because someone in the Postal Service thought they saw it go by yesterday, and so it was sent it was thought that it was in the system. The Postal Service determined that it wasnt delivered to bidens house but probably had insufficient postage, and they assumed it was back in florida, but it was found this morning at a post office in new castle, delaware. This is the package youre looking for, and you can see postage due on it. I guess 0. 75. Thats why it wasnt delivered, and then a second device was found at another post office in delaware in wilmingtowilmington delaware. Two sent to biden, and we found out last night, craig, that two were sent to congresswoman maxine water, one was found in los angeles at a main screening facility, another in a facility outside of washington that screens mail for congress. This is a change in the pattern. The ones that we had known of as of last night were all single packages. Now two discoveries two to waters, two to biden, and then of course the one that was found this morning addressed to Robert De Niro but actually delivered before today and finally someone realized what it was. So they cant rule out that there are other packages in the system. Last night they were not looking for a second package to joe biden, for example, but now theyve found it. The good news is that people now know what these packages look like, and theyre responding to that, and theyre calling if they see packages that look like this because the pictures like this, what the outside package looks like, the six stamps in the upper righthand corner, this big sort of bold aerial style type face with the Computer Generated labels that are stuck on in these padded envelopes, everybody seals to know what they look like, and so far all the contents are the same, a plastic pipe wrapped with black electrical tape with some kind of electrical circuit, possibly a timer taped to the side and inside those little speckles appear to be shrapnel, possibly glass. All these devices in the packages have been the same. The outward appearance is the same, and as you say, the good news is so far none of them have detonated. Pete, i know at last check the investigators were poring over these devices. Any timetable . Possibly today. This is slow pain staking work. They have to their goal is to do a couple of things when they start to take these things apart at the fbi lab in quantico. They want to know how the devices work, how were they built, what were the components. Secondly, as they take them apart, potentially there are fingerprints in there. You think about you pull a roll of tape off, youve got fingers on both sides, and that might leave a fingerprint. Now, sometimes bombers are too clever to do that, but oftentimes theyre not so as they take these things apart, they want to make sure, obviously, that theyre safe. Secondly, that they preserve evidence and thirdly that they figure out how they were built. One line of anl cyalysis is to out what the pieces are. The pipe is unfortunately available at every Hardware Store in america, doesnt seem to be anything special about that. The hookup wire you can find anywhere, but the little circuit on the side, where did that come from . The bomber apparently had at least nine of those, so did somebody recently fulfill an order for, you know, several dozen of those little gizmos, that kind of thing, thats what theyre going to be looking for. Pete williams, thank you, sir. Ron allen is standing by. Ron is at the Robert De Niro restaurant there, thats where the second device was found in new york city. Police still on the scene there, ron . Reporter yes, they are, craig. Theyre behind the scenes. There are a number of police cars parked out here. Its not a very visible presence, but they are of course investigating, perhaps talking further to the employees, people who work here at the various de nirorelated enterprises along the street, a restaurant, Production Company offices and a hotel down at the far corner. But outwardly things are as they say, getting back to normal here. Of course thats the message that new yorks leaders, the mayor, the governor of new york have been sending out as have others insisting that people will not that they will get on with what they do here in new york city. The good news is that this device was detected or found early in the morning around 5 00 or 6 00 a. M. When the building was for the most part empty. Still there are a lot of people in this part of manhattan, tribeca, lower manhattan, a couple of blocks away from the world trade center, its a very active and very busy part of the city, just as most of manhattan is, even at 5 00 or 6 00 a. M. In the morning. You have to be concerned that this device apparently may have been here for some time and only recently discovered by an employee, by a worker here at the de niro offices, facilities. So theres that. The other concern i think for investigators now is that as these ten incidents that have happened, Robert De Niro is a private citizen. Hes of course a very high profile actor, but he is not a political leader, and that potentially or perhaps expands the range of people who have been targeted. It started out as with george soros, the billionaire philanthropist and then we get to the clintons and obamas. It seems to be based on the political affiliations of these people. We know what Robert De Niros views have been about trump and other things. The question is how wide does this become . If it in fact expands at all, does it include other private citizens . And of course im sure that every private company, media outlet, others around the country are on alert just because you just never know whats going to happen next. And i think when you talk to people out here and elsewhere about this, on the one hand, theres some sense of relief if you will that the devices seem to be targeting individuals. Its not a random thing, but of course theres a lot of concern because people who are political figures are being targeted. So a lot of unease out here, craig, at this point, but new york city as it does is getting back to normal, getting on with its business. Everybody is leery about what might come next and where. Charles marino is with me. Hes a former secret service agent. Charles, let me just get your sense, first of all. None of these devices have detonated so far. Is it your experience that that would be because the devices are so poorly made or perhaps because these devices were designed to scare and not harm . Yeah, it could be a little bit of both. Pipe bombs by their very nature are on the more rudimentary end of these types of devices, which means they can go off in transit or not. The jttf and the bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms is going to be looking at each makeup and composition of these pipe bombs, checking for similaritie similarities, checking for evidence, and theyll also be looking at why they did not go off. Are they inert . Were they just created and sent through the mail system to incite terror like you said, fear . I think one thing is clear, we have a large volume of these devices that entered the postal system, and thats going to lead to a lot of evidence for federal and local investigators. Not just from components, but also from dna and the like, so they should really be getting a lot of clues. I know theyre working dilige diligently around the clock to find out whos behind this. Unusual at all that there are no handwritten notes or notes of any sort inside these packages, just apparently the pipe bomb itself . Is that odd . You know, sometimes in these cases there are there is direct correspondence. If we go back over 20 years now to the unabomber case, there was this cat and mouse game that he liked to play with the press, specifically with the times which led to his brother to identify his writings and tip off federal authorities that he thought his brother was, in fact, the unabomber. It is not uncommon. Theres really no m. O. , if you want to say, no typical operating procedure that says somebody is going to typically send a note with these types of devices. It all depends on how evasive they think theyre being. Typically, if they were to send a note, handwritten time, youre talking about now more evidence that that person or that group could be leaving behind. I want to bring that live picture back, if we can, guys. This is the scene in delaware, a live look. It looks like they are putting the robot, this is a bomb robot. It looks like its going back this the truck here. This is wilmington, delaware. Law enforcement Officials Say that a package was found this morning at a postal facility in new castle, delaware. That package was addressed to former Vice President joe biden. A second package was found that was addressed to former Vice President biden. That second package was found at a postal facility there in wilmington, and it would appear as if the bomb robot is wrapping up its work and heading back into the van there. Thats the scene, a live look there above the scene in wilmington, delaware. Joyce, ten packages sent at this point. We do not know if there are any more of these devices out there. How does Law Enforcement how does the Law Enforcement system jump into action . How is it organized to coordinate efforts across jurisdictions to find the source and figure out if any more pack an ages are out there . Whos in charge now . Joyce . Not the first time weve had a situation where a bomber has been operating in multiple venues simultaneously. The joint Terrorism Task force will spring into action. Its likely that prosecutors in all of the different jurisdictions will act together and lead Law Enforcement teams so that theyll act in coordination. Of course the labs will be looking at the devices to determine evidence, and then theyll send leads to agents across the country based object components of the bomb and hopefully based on tips that may be coming into the tip line where people who think they may know who the bomber is or have other information that Law Enforcement can use. Those leads will all be followed today. Nbcs hans nichols is standing by for us at the white house. Hans, Sarah Sanders addressed this this morning with reporters there. What did she have to say . Reporter well, its clear that President Trump is not going to change his behavior. Hes not going to modulate his rhetoric. Hes not going to tone anything down. From Sarah Huckabee sanders perspective, the president wants to draw contrasts and sharp distinctions with his opponents. We asked her districtly if he would stop calling names, stop insulting his political opponents. She didnt answer that. What the white house is trying to do is draw a distinction, even as they accuse the media of creating a toxic environment. Theyre trying to draw a distinction to what the president said and not being in any way personally responsible. Theres a big difference between comments made and actions taken. The president is certainly not responsible for sending suspicious packages to someone, no more than Bernie Sanders was responsible for a supporter of his shooting up a republican baseball field practice last year. The idea that this is at the hands of the president is absolutely ridiculous. Craig, weve heard from the president himself this morning on twitter. I just walked past the west wing. Hes not in the office. Hes taking to his favorite venue twitter, and his argument is the medias to blame for the toxic environment. Listen to this tweet or take a look at it. A very big part of the anger we see today in our society is caused by the purposely false inaccurate reporting of the Mainstream Media that i refer to as fake news. Its gotten so bad its beyond description. Mainstream media must clean up its act fast. The president is accusing the media of fermenting a lot of this toxic environment and saying the media and were to blame. Sarah Huckabee Sanders saying people use evil on your network all the time, and out there you have a lot of questions about whether or not the president is going to tone down his rhetoric. Now last night he didnt go through his greatest hits in terms of insulting individual democratic lawmakers or democratic officials, but it looks like from this morning, hes looking for fights, and that he thinks its the media to blame. Craig. Hans nichols, 1,600 pennsylvania. Hans, thank you. Joyce, i want to come back to you for a moment because i know that this is a story that connects with you in a very personal visceral way, if you will, your fatherinlaw robert vance, a federal judge. He was killed by a mail bomb. His wife was seriously injured. There was a conviction in your fatherinlaws case, how difficult are these kinds of cases to investigate and prove in court . You know, theyre difficult cases, but matched up against the difficulty of investigating in these situations are incredibly skillful agents who work for atf, who work for fbi, who work in the postal inspection service, and theyll be coordinating with state and local Law Enforcement across the country. And its really difficult for me to convey and i do it both as a prosecutor whos worked these cases over the years, but also as a member of the victims family watching these Law Enforcement folks spring into action is incredibly impressive. They will work long hours. They will not leave any stone unturned. They will pick up on minute details that will lead them to the bombers, and of course their First Priority will be to ensure safety, to make sure that all of the bombs that are out in the mail or out in production are identified and are rendered safe so that people can stop living in a climate of fear, which is of course what bombers try to inspire in all of us. But then theyll identify the person or people responsible and bring them to justice. Joyce vance, thank you. Hans, charles, ron, pete, a big thanks to all of you for getting us started here on this thursday. A clue left on the bomb found at cnn. Were going to look at the image attached to that particular device, an image thats been circulating on right wing corners of the internet for years now. Was just finishing a. Was just finishing a. I felt this awful pain in my chest. I had a pe blood clot in my lung. I was scared. I had a dvt blood clot. Having one really puts you in danger of having another. 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Nbcs ben collins reported this out, and i bet you didnt think youd be writing about larry the cable guy, but walk us through this image and explain why it might be so significant to investigators. Right, so this is a meme that was on a conservative parody site in 2014. It was like a benign story about like fake isis flags or whatever, but the meme itself has been traveling around that space since this en. It says get er done. Theres a picture of three women like, suggestively posing. What we do know about this is that this is like a back in 2014, this was prealtright sort of meme stuff. This is not the standard white wing trolls you think about, this was a Tea Party Style meme from back then. Do we know if it has been usus usus usus used anywhere else since then . This is a pretty obscure meme. Not a lot of people use it. It was pretty hard to find to be entirely honest with you. You cant derive political motivation from this, and you shouldnt. Thats not the case. If somebodys putting that in there for a reason, theyre doing it on purpose, but we cant directly we do know it came from this space that has been sort of dwindling over the past few years. Its like an old style, html style blog from four years ago. Have you heard from whoevers responsible for that . We reached out to the guy and he immediately, like, sent us back a Conspiracy Theory about it, but he big surprise. Yeah, exactly. I mean, the guy made the meme. Its the internet. You can get a meme off the internet pretty easily. If he had something to do with it i would be extremely surprised. Whats the reaction to this on the forums you monitor . You spent a fair amount of time on the dark web as we call it. Whats the reaction there . Its the same stuff, the same conspiracy that, you know, if this guy put this in here its because hes trying to pose as a conservative and all that stuff. Basically the claim on socme of these is that its the work of the left because theyre trying to make it appear its the work of the right. Get er done is posing as like a hill billy, right, that it would be the opposite of what it is. Keep us posted. I know you will. Thank you. Were going to get an update on this investigation momentarily as we watch these live pictures. Again, these are live pictures over wilmington, delaware. Law enforcement on the scene there after another explosive device addressed to joe biden was found there at the postal facility there in wilmington. How can we say when you book direct at choicehotels. Com you always get the lowest price on our rooms, guaranteed . Lets say it in a really low voice. Carl . Lowest price, guaranteed. Just stick with badda book. Badda boom. Book now at choicehotels. Com anncr as you grow older, your brain naturally begins to change which may cause trouble with recall. Learning from him is great. 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We just received word that about four hours from now roughly, the fbi, nypd, mayor de blasio, theyre going to be holding a News Conference to give us the very latest on the investigation. So far ten packages discovered, two discovered today addressed to Vice President joe biden. A third addressed to actor Robert De Niro. All of them similar to the ones that were discovered on wednesday. Tom winter is with me now. Investigations reporter. What more do we know . What have we learned, if anything, so far from the devices, and what are we hearing about the hunt for the person or people responsible . Sure, i think at this point theres no indication that weve been given that theres a particular person or persons that theyre looking at, but often, you know, we dont get that information the second that they key in on somebody. Well have to see how that develops. The second thing is i think the key today is going to be the bombs. Why didnt they go off . Were they meant to have all the components, which weve been told they do have all the components to be an explosive, and then designed not to go off . Or was there some sort of critical flaw or error. Were looking at an xray image of two of the devices that were able to be looked at. Based on looking at these devices, we see that they have the requisite wiring. They have a power source for them to go off, and we also see that theres indications of some shrapn shrapnel, some of that clutter you see from within the pipe there, that would be potential shrapnel, and the wiring, the squiggly part of that would be part of the ignition if you will for the explosive powder. At this point officials are really keying in on these devices. What about the components that they can look at that can tell them where they may have been purchased, and then could that information from there be used to find out who is doing this. It may also help them with motive. So often when the bombs go off theres a motive behind the bombs going off but the bombs themselves dont necessarily tell us anything about motive. If these bombs were not supposed to go off, it was just designed to create fear and to capture media attention, well, theyve certainly done that. Thats something that will be interesting to look at. At this point, the information that were getting is that the focus is obviously on the bombs. The good news is for investigators, theyve been able to look at these devices and get the devices intact. Theyre not collecting evidence here. They actually have the real devices so they can disassemble them, look at each individual component, even how those components were made. Are there specific tool marks on there . Is there hair or any sort of dna that may have gotten on to these packages, fingerprints, even just the tool marks. When they go to make an arrest or is there a specific identity behind how these bombs were put together that can lead them to the person or persons that have done this. Thats really the key focus today, and obviously were going to have to keep an eye on whether or not there are any other packages. The indication was last night that theyre looking at probably eight different packages. Now were up to ten. Are there any out there that havent been detected previously or arent known about. Were going to have to keep an eye on that today. At least one prominent former democratic president ial candidate, john kerry that officials went to his house today to look at a package. That appears not to be tied to this at all, and it may not be nefarious in any way, but it just gives you a sense of kind of the concern that people have for these type of packages at this point. All right. Tom winter, keep us posted, sir. Judging by his tweets President Trumps primary focus today has been the fake news. Never mind that one of those packages was sent to cnns offices here in new york city, two of the other four tweets have attacked a quote, fake story in the New York Times, a third on the anger caused by the Mainstream Media in general. Betsy woodruff is an msnbc contributor and politics reporter for the daily beast and susan page. Moral clarity not necessarily always in the president s wheel house. What does it mean that people are seeing that again 12 days before these midterms . You know, i think it is the president s response is really at odds with what we typically see president s do after something happens that is potentially such a national trauma. We saw the president get somewhat more temperate tone at the rally, but this morning it was back to standard attacks on the news media blaming the news media for the anger in u. S. Electorate and u. S. Politics at this time. Then of course prompted some heated responses from democrats and critics who say he should be looking in a mirror. Theres no cease fire in the political wars, even as we wait to just find out who in the world is behind these suspicious packages. Betsy, susan just alluded to the president s rally last night in wisconsin. After news broke we seem to see essentially two trumps. One at the white house, the other at the rally in wisconsin. Take a look. Just wanted to tell you that in these times we have to unify. We have to come together. The media also has a responsibility to set a civil tone and to stop the endless hostility and constant negative and oftentimes false attacks and stories. Have to do it. Have to do it. Theyve got to stop. The president cant help himself, especially when hes got a base to throw red meat to. Thats right, and there are two trumps. Theres sort of formal white house official trump, and then theres rally trump, and when the president is speaking from the white house and when hes being careful, hes stage managed by his aides he tends to talk about these very contentious issues in a manner thats dramatically opposed to the way he talks about them when hes with his base. We saw this play out in a particularly colorful fashion during Brett Kavanaughs contentious confirmation fight when trump initially started off with a sort of muted calm tone as far asford. But by the end of the process, trump was mocking her suggesting she was a liar, she was fabricating the allegations to the uproarious laughter of a rally crowd. And over the last 24 hours weve seen almost the identical pattern play out once again, trump and the first lady at the white house putting on a very civil, refined, muted tone when it comes to this extraordinary news story that weve seen play out. But then trump to his rally base essentially blamed the entity that whoever sent this bomb was trying to attack, essentially indicating that it was the responsibility of people in the media that someone attacked them. Thats an extraordinary thing for an american president to say especially in a country where the constitution protects the right of the media to do its job. That said its very much par for the course for trump and not especially surprising. I do think its worth for our viewers and listeners, i think its worth taking a look and a listen to some of the president s previous attacks, not just on us, on journalists but on some of the people who have had these devices shipped to their homes and offices. A very dishonest person, crooked hillary clinton. The great maxine waters, thats a beauty, low iq individual. Go to person who gets paid by soros or somebody, thats what happens. These are just dishonest, terrible people. Cnn, cnns the worst. Betsy, its going to be very interesting to see how this administration counties to separate whats happening around the country from some of the rhetoric from this president . Thats absolutely true. That said, one interesting thing about the group of people who were targeted by these bombs over the last 24 hours is that one of them is former attorney general eric holder. Now, eric holder has long been a top foe for the conservative media for congressional republicans. Hes got excoriated on fox news for years and years, but he hasnt been in government for several years, and you dont really hear trump zeroing in on eric holder at his rallies. Trump of course has criticized him publicly but hes not sort of a central figure in the cast of characters that trump likes to go after, and that could suggest that if its just one person sending these bombs, as the Current Evidence seems to indicate, that this is somebody whos being influenced perhaps by a Broader Group of individual, by a Broader Media community than just solely the people who President Trump has zeroed in on. Susan, your organization has a new poll out, 35 of voters say that their opposition to the president has a lot to do with their vote. Just 23 say their support of the president is whats motivating their midterm vote a lot. What else did voters tell you about this president . Well, hes clearly driving this election, and weve seen him take weve seen him embrace that by doing these big rallies, really an unprecedented number of rallies for a midterm election, especial election. What we find is that a majority of voters, 57 of voters say their vote has a lot to do with their view of President Trump. That is not rebounding to the benefit of republicans across the country. Its a help in some red states that have these Competitive Senate races but it is a problem for republicans in a lot of these house races, and you know, this latest controversy over the president s rhetoric in response to these suspicious packages may make that worse because we see in suburban districts, ill be curious to see if there a reaction to the president s failure to take the traditional role a president would take in the wake of this and be more expansive, but we definitely see this is trumps election. This is to some significant degree a referendum on what you think about the president. All right, well leave it there. Susan, thank you. Betsy thanks to you as well. 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The president firing back in a tweet saying the socalled experts on trump over at the New York Times wrote a long and boring article on my cell phone usage that is so incorrect i do not have time here to correct it. I only use government phones and have only one seldom used government cell phone. Story is soooo wrong. That tweet coming from the president of the united states. Nbc news intelligence and National Security reporter ken delaney joins me now with some new reporting of it. U. S. Officials have been apparently concerned about this for some time . Thats right. We havent fully matched this amazing New York Times story but our Pete Williams has heard from u. S. Security officials that for months they have been concerned that donald trump has been having Sensitive Conversations on his personal cell phone with advisers such as sean hannity of fox news. That is something that just hasnt happened before. No president actually was allowed to use a smartphone until barack obama got a modified one in the middle of his second term, and he joked about how little functionality it had. Smartphones can easily be turned into bugs and tracking devices. It leaves the user wide open to foreign intelligence services. What New York Times is saying is that the u. S. Intelligence committee has confirmed china and russia are listening to these calls and worse, china has basically mapped trumps informer Adviser Network ask is using that to manipulate him by passing messages to him through some of these advisers. If we know that the chinese and russians are eavesdropping, why cant we stop him . Its about one man and his wins. Donald trump. The reason were reading this story in the New York Times is because his advisers were so frustrated that he wasnt listening to them when they were warning him, they decided to leak the story as a way of perhaps pressuring him into curbing his behavior. He simply doesnt want to give up his personal iphone, which has his contacts in it. He has a modified iphone that is not as convenient for him. The u. S. Spends billions of dollars to protect its secrets and donald trump is giving them away. Ken delay knew our National Intelligence security reporter, thank you. We are going to take a step back and look at the Political Climate that we are in right now. Look at the rhetoric that was used before these bombs were found, whats being used now, and talk about perhaps how we should all tone it down a bit. Hello. Uh, no i need it right now. Yeah. Success is a numbers game. And youre not going to win if you keep telling yourself to wait. The more often that you choose courage, the more likely youll succeed. The most inspiring minds. The most compelling stories. Download audible. And listen for a change. 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This just in on the president s plan for border security, nbcs hans nichols is at the white house with some new reporting. What have we learned, hans . Reporter well, weve learned that the president is serious about sending federal troops, additional troops to the southern border. My colleague over at the pentagon confirming that the department of Homeland Security has asked for approximately 800 troops. Theyve asked for additional help. These are the new u. S. Troops going down to the border. Now, by federal law theyre barred from making arrests, so these troops would be in a supportive role. Theyd be providing logistical assistance. Now, there are already 2,100 National Guard troops down on the border providing some sort of support. Now, what we dont know is whether or not secretary mattis has signed off on this, and we dont know what the final number is going to be. But craig, this is an indication that all of the white houses rhetoric, whether its Vice President pence, President Trump about sending troops to the border is for real. Theyre formalizing this process, and we can expect an official announcement later today about the total number of troops and just what role they will be playing, and if they are indeed federal troops and not National Guardsmen. Hans, thank you. Meanwhile, new york city mayor bill blasey jude blasio t about the device that was found addressed to Robert De Niro this morning. He also spent some time talking about the divisive nature of the current political environment. This is clearly an effort to terrorize people politically, to choose people for political purposes and attack them because of their beliefs. That is the kind of thing we have seen before in this city, and we reject it, and we will not be intimidated concerns gke Nobel Peace Prize winner, and so is representative Patrick Kennedy. Let me start with the president , because he has encouraged the supporters to lock her up, and called the democrats angry mobs, and he has applauded politicians for body slamming journalists, and this is what Sarah Huckaby sa sanders had to say about the packages that are being sent. There sis a big difference between comments made and actions take n. The president is certainly not responsible for sending suspicious packages no r more than Bernie Sanders was responsible for a supporter of his shooting up a republican baseball field last year. So, doris, when does rhetoric become responsible for action . No question that rett rick gets heated up so much that people take example from the president in particular and he sets the tone, and the dialogue, and the political divisiveness and the ret are rick hetoric in couple of years has been unprecedented. You can find it in the 1930s, but that is not going to help us. And there is a crisis and he could have used it as a leadership and but it was absence, and he made comments of unity, but when he got to the ral eli, he could not help himself but undercut it by saying that i should be nice. And then blames the media. And a leader will use a moment like this to bring us together, and if he had done, that he could have reset the presidency and this could have been the october surprise if he said something about the free press and attacked as well, and the president s and brought them together. Do you suspect that he will do that and the day might come over the next twoplus years that he takes a crisis, and uses some sort of tragedy that impacts all of us, and sometimes in a visceral way, and uses it to, and i a hate to use the cliche, but to become more president ial . It is harder to imagine. I mean he had the inauguration, and he had won the election, and that is a moment the bring us together, but instead, he talked about carnage all over america, and he had the kavanaugh hearings and gotten what he wanted a Supreme Court justice and looked to the other side and used empathy no the people who were hurt and the young woman who testified, but he talked and mocked her and talked about the horrible, horrible democrats. And i keep waiting if that is the optimistic tendency in me, because i have seen the other guys do it, and use the moments of crisis. Think of lincoln in 1884 in august, you will lose the election in three months unless you compromise on emancipation, because the ar war is not going well, a and the people in the north are frustrated and hundreds of thousands have died, and he turns to the republican big whigs and says, i will be damned before i turn my back. And he left thinking that he would lose the election, but he did what he needed to do to have ambition for the goal is bigger than self. And john brennan tweeted this, stop blaming others, and look in the mirror, your inflammatory rhetoric and insults and lies and the encouragement of violence is disgraceful. Clean up your act and try to act president ial and the American People deserve better, and your critics will not be intimidated into silence. And congressman, your family has been directly impacted by Political Violence like perhaps no other family in the country. When you are looking in the plitt cal environment now, and what has happened in the past few days, what are your thoughts . Well, first, i think that it is easy for us to respond by attacking trump. That is the default mode for all of us on the left, and i think that ends up becoming part of the cycle. I think that we fall into his trap when we become like him. I think it is very incumbent upon us at this time to talk about love of country, and to talk about the great country that we have is great because of the its diversity, and to talk about the history as doris has done so well on so many ok occasions. It is a time for us to step back. Obviously, my uncles were victims of Political Violence. I grew up in a house where there were bulletproof vests in every closet, and we have lived with it. So i think that the danger for our country is that we understand that our political system is really a substitute for violence. And so if we denigrate our political system, we leave no other alternative but violence. I think that it is important for people to understand that there is consequence to these inflammatory and insight inciteful rhetoric, and there is a end result of this type of the rhetoric, and we have to be really mindful that what we really should be about is if we care as the president says he does about the security of the country, we have to stop this type of dehumanization of the oth other, and the immigrant community who he calls illegal alien, and these are human beings, and the dismissiveness of people who are the other, minm minorities and women, and this is feeding the antipathy for anybodyb who is different and then it creeps into the political culture as well. So this is a very historic moment in that regard. I recall when we passed the aca that there were many members of congress who got death threats, and it was the first time that any of us in congress ever had to get security by the capitol police. We really need to understand what, how fragile this system of democracy is that we have. We cannot take for granted that we can be friends even if we hold opposite political views, and th and this is what makes the country so great, and that is why we are the standard bearer of the world, and in 2 3 of the world, the people who decide who have the power are the people with more guns. That is not who we want to be in the country, and with voe be careful not to succumb to the those base instinct s s to try polarize once another, because that is the easy default mode for politicians to take. Congress Patrick Kennedy and doris, i wish that we had more time for this conversation. I really do. Thank you so much for your time. We will be right back. bicycle bell sound bicycle bell sound explore more with a guaranteed 4pm checkout at over 1,000 fine hotels and resorts. Its another way weve got your back. The Platinum Card from american express. Dont live life without it. You might or joints. 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