They have looked at that video. They have not talked a great deal about it. They also say the suspect did not have a license to carry the three firearms that were recovered. Also some new elements to the timeline. Of the shooting. Authorities say that the suspect was, in fact, shot during a fire fight with the Good Samaritan, a neighbor who had heard the shooting. I talked to him a short time ago. They say the suspect also talked to his father by cell phone after he had been shot, while he was driving away. Authorities also revising the age of the youngest victim and the oldest victim. A 5yearold did die during the shooting, officials now say an 18monthold died as well. The oldest victim, 77 years old. We start this hour with reports from here on the ground in texas and also at the justice department. Pete williams is standing by for us in washington with the latest on the suspect. Pete, theres been a lot of focus on this guys connection to the church behind me, his connection to First Baptist church. This is what authorities said a short time ago about that connection. There was a domestic situation going on within this family. The suspects motherinlaw attended this church. We know that he had made threatening threatening she received threatening texts from him. We know he expressed anger towards his motherinlaw, who attends this church. We should note that the motherinlaw was not at church yesterday. Were told by officials that they did come after the fact to check on friends and family. Pete, what else can you tell us . Theyre now searching his house. He lived about 35 miles north of where you are, just outside new brunfels, texas, in comal county, texas. Theyve been out there all night long, waiting for the search warrant, making sure its safe to do the search. Theyre doing that now. I wonder if that will shed more light. It seems pretty clear here what was involved. Authorities say this was not racially motivated, nothing about religion. This appears to be based on his gripe with his motherinlaw and the family that attended the church there. But this is also somebody who is said by friends and people who knew him and some state authorities that this is a person struggling with Mental Health issues. He had been divorced after he assaulted his wife and child while he was in the military, for which he received a discharge from the air force. He remarried but apparently that marriage was estranged. Thats why Authorities Say his inlaws but there was tension there, obviously. This is a person with a very troubled past who had a gripe against one woman who he took out on this entire church, the way it looks now. No connection to any terror groups or any groups of any kind that we know of, craig. Pete, what do we know about how this guy got those guns . Thats the big question. We know he bought the Assault Rifle that was used in the attack. He bought it last year at a gun dealer in san antonio. The question is, was that a legal purchase . As far as we know, it came back as a cleared purchase when the gun dealer ran it through the National Insta check system. The question is, should the fact that he had a conviction from a general courtmartial for assaulting his wife and child disqualified him from owning a sgun because under federal laws, you cant have a gun if you have a domestic conviction or felony conviction. Did the circumstances of the military conviction, were they entered into the system . The air force says yes. Did they count as disqualifying factor . Thats turning out to be a more complicated question. Pete, do we know whether he may have had these guns before all of that . He bought the Assault Rifle in 2016. The courtmartial proceedings started in 2012 and he was kicked out of the military in 2014 after serving a year in detention. He bought the gun well after all the military proceedings, yes. Justice correspondent pete williams, thanks, as always. Gadi schwartz just back from new brunfels, texas, the home of the suspect, just north of us. What more do we know about this suspect . I know you spent some sometime, we spent some time talking to other women that he dated. Thats right. Weve been talking to some of them on facebook. Some women have come forward posting on facebook they had prior relationships to him. Some talking about relationships they had with him as far back as high school. A couple common themes that keep popping up. One is that he seemed to be very religious. Some girls describing going to church with him. Thats how the relationship started. And then the relationship would end and he would start to get very aggressive. Two girls independent of each other told he would try to bribe them, pay them money to hang out with him. When they cut him off, he would get very, very aggressive. One said he assaulted her. Well have more details in a bit. What did he do for a living . Right now we just found out that he may have been a Security Guard. He was licensed to be a Security Guard in the state of texas. And it appears as though he was licensed to be a Security Guard at i local water park here in texas. Thats pretty common up where he lives. Its an area that is employed by this huge water park. And that home that he lives in, its a pretty massive home. Neighbors say they think he lived there with his family. One neighbor described hearing bullets go off from that home, people firing there, possibly target practice. Have i to tell you, one of the things thats very striking about the distance between that home and here, is its about an hour away. As investigators start to look into the premeditation, the planning that went into, it one of the things that was striking us, the crew, as we were coming down here is here he is, driving on this road for an hour, knowing whats going to happen and then, obviously, the shooting unfolded. That would also jibe with what Officials Say they found in the car as well. Additional weapons. Going back to the women he dated, did any of them tell you that he obviously had some Mental Illness that they describe him as someone who is clearly disturbed . Both have been posting very publicly on facebook about that. One, in fact, said shes reached out to other girlfriends of his, prior girlfriends of his and shes heard the same thing. Were still verifying that with other people. But the two that we have heard from said, yes. One of them, in fact, would say he would go to a kind of dark place. She said he had very weird thoughts and very weird ideology. She described him as very threatening. Gadi schwartz just back from the suspects home, thank you so much. A short time ago i talked to one of the two men who is being hailed as a hero after this tragedy, his name is johnnie langendorff. He said he was driving in his pickup behind me, at a gas station. The next thing he knew is the neighbor who engaged the suspect in a gun fight flagged him down for a ride. I didnt have time to react before the gentleman with the rifle got in the truck with me and he told me that he just shot the other man just shot up the church and we this to go get him. I said, okay. We were chasing him. And im trying to keep the gentleman next to me calm. Im talking to dispatch and doing about 95 miles an hour down this road. Keeping up with in guy until he finally kind of he lost control on his own and hit the ditch. At that time i departed the truck as close as i felt comfortable. Me and the other gentleman got behind it, and the other gentleman drew his rifle on it, told the shooter to get out. He never got out. About then traffic was coming and so i went from behind the truck to stop traffic just in case there was any exchange of gunfire. So, no one else would get hurt. And Police Arrived very quickly. And responded so greatly. And throughout the whole ordeal, you didnt have a weapon . No, sir. Did you think at one point that you might be in danger . It crossed my mind after the fact. What possessed you to do it . It was the right thing to do. Did you know anybody inside that church . After last night, yes, sir, turned out i did. Who was it . A very, very good friend of mine, his grandparents. There are a lot of folks around this country right now calling you a hero. Yes, sir. It was just the right thing to do. Seems like youre having kind of a hard time dealing with it today. Its very it shook this community. It shook people. Its shaken everybody that has now you know, these people dont see me as a hero. Im just someone who helped on instinct. You know. I hope that these people are able to sleep a little better knowing that this guy isnt able to breathe to hurt anyone else. [ inaudible ] Something Else to note coming out of the News Conference a short time ago, of the 26 People Killed inside that church, Officials Say at least, at least 14 of them are thought to be children. Msnbcs Mariana Atencio is also here in Sutherland Springs, texas. She joins me now. What else did we get from that News Conference . Just getting to know more and more about the how and why. The he was wearing Tactical Gear and walked from a gas station to the right over behind us. We also know he was wearing a mask, also wearing a vest with a plate inside, which speaks to how methodically he thought this out. As you know, the gunman and the Good Samaritan, they exchanged gunfire in that area of grass behind us. And then this was the very road where the gunman drove off and the Good Samaritan had that other person show up in a vehicle, pick him up and chase. Exactly. Thats where we find out the gunman, according to a freeman martin, the Texas Regional director gps, he texted his father and said, ive been shot, i dont think im going to make it. According to law enforcement, he proceeded to injure himself. We dont know the shot that killed him, if he inflicted it upon himself or the shot by the Good Samaritan. Its incredibly painful to note how small this community is. Were talking about 500 to 600 people. Were talking about a shooting that pretty much you know, it ended the lives of 7 of the population here. That impacted so many of the families who lost loved ones, especially the pastor and his wife, frank and Sherri Pomeroy. They have been the vertebrae of this community and they werent even here when the shooting happened but their 14yearold daughter annabelle was and she, unfortunately, didnt make it. We heard from Sherri Pomeroy about her beautiful belle at the end of that press conference and i want to play a sound bite for you just now. Lets listen. We lost more than belle yesterday. And one thing that gives me a sliver of encouragement is the fact that belle was surrounded yesterday by her Church Family that she loved fiercely and vice versa. Now most of our Church Family is gone, our building is probably beyond repair and the few of us that are left behind lost tragically yesterday. I cant imagine just them not even being here and just getting on the scene when with hard from them just here. Know you covered the Charles Church shooting. The motives were very different but a church is a place of refuge for people, for people in these communities. Just hearing the pastor and his wife like the pomeroys is brings home the pain this has inflicted on this community. The pastor preaching the sermon yesterday was a visiting pastor and also, Officials Say, among the dead. Like you said, its hard to get your head around the fact that the pastor of the church not here, his wife is not here but their daughter, adopted daughter, among the dead. Mariana atencio, thank you for that. President trump blaming the problem of Mental Illness for what happened here in texas yesterday rather than guns. But what really goes to the heart of the problem of gun violence in this country . We will have a conversation that weve had far too often here in just a bit. Meanwhile, the suspected shooter discharged from the air force for bad conduct. What is that . Would that have impacted his ability to get his hands on an automatic weapon or any gun for that matter . Our coverage from Sutherland Springs, texas, continues in just a moment. We lost some great friends today. And we had some really great friends jrdz. Ive cried to much, i dont even have any tears left. Its hard to hear when you know they were hurt that bad. 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Both made eliquis right for me. Ask your doctor if switching to eliquis is right for you. Theres no words to describe what everybodys going through. Its been think youre safe in the house of the lord, but the devil never rests. What more can you tell us about the victims inside the church . Over 26 victims in the church, deceased. There were approximately 20 that went to hospitals and a lot of children. I dont know exactly how many children. I mean, it was just horrific sight in there. A lot of children then . Whats that . We heard 14. Yes. Whats the next step for you guys here . Next step is weve still got a lot of investigating to do over there at the scene. Its going to take probably all day today and could take into tomorrow. I mean, theres theres a lot of shell casings laying. We have to try to recover those, try to recover the actual bullets in the jail mean, in this church. So, its going to take some time and we found a letter . Have we found anything . No, we havent found anything. You know, the vehicle was in guadalupe county, our neighboring county, so thats where the vehicle is at this point. Do we know why he left the church . Did he finish shooting or because the neighbor chased him . I guess he must have finished shooting because he was coming out. He may have i mean, i dont know that he still had any rounds in, it you know, because there were so many rounds fired. Anyway, we do have the weapon. The president said a few hours ago in japan that this is not a guns issue, this say Mental Health issue. Do you agree with that assessment . I believe it is. You know, guns dont kill people. People kill people. But if someone has a moejts Health Problem, they have a bunch of guns oh, yeah, it can happen. Sheriff tackitt, thank you for your time. Longtime sheriff joe tackitt. I talked to him about the horror they found inside that sanctuary. All of the questions that still need to be answered here. Investigators are still working to identify a clear motive for this mass shooting. We do know the suspect, devin kelley, was just let go from the air force after being courtmartialed on charges of Domestic Violence against his wife and child. Why can then did he have a gun . Im joined from nbc military analyst, colonel jack jacobs. Frank, this morning at the News Conference, officials made it clear that this at this point it looks very much like a domestic situation, not a racial situations, as is the case with dylann roof, not terrorism, by the governments definition. But Domestic Violence and these kind of mass shooting events, what do we know about the correlation . Yeah, so we know this about Workplace Violence in general, which is very akin to what were dealing with here. The number one reason, the root cause of most Workplace Violence is domestic situations that spill over into the workplace and, clearly, thats what has happened with this church shooting. I have to tell you, while were all spending time analyzing the subtle nuances of the law, whether his military conviction for Domestic Violence applies to the law, and whether he was courtmartialed through a general courtmartial or special courtmartial but not a summary courtmartial and whether it qualified as a misdemeanor or felony, heres what we do know. We gave a man who was convicted of Domestic Violence against his wife and kids, and spent a year in confinement in a military brig, we gave him an Assault Rifle and Security Guard license to guard a water park around children. We need to know about what we do know and whether congress can get around a simple change in the law that influencludes dome violence convictions in the military and barring those people from getting weapons. Thats what we should be talking about. Colonel jack, when kelley filled out that background check, the paperwork for the gun, he says he didnt have disqualifying criminal history. Today officials said they are still investigating this dismissal from the air force. I want to listen to what they said at that News Conference and get your reaction on the other side. In general, if an individual has a dishonorable discharge from the military, they would be prohibited from possessing or purchasing firearms. In this specific investigation, we are early in the investigation. We do not have all the documentation yet, so until we can get all the documentation, determine exactly what his discharge was and exactly what his conviction was in the military, we will not have a determination on if this individual was prohibited from possessing or purchasing firearms. The distinction, colonel jack, like other suspects of previous mass shootings, kelley was using this variation of an ar15 assault weapon, but going back to this distinction on the discharge, what do you make of that . Well, there was a very fine distinction that is used whether or not the offense in the military was a felony or not. And if youre convicted of a felony, you cant get a weapon. There is an argument that says any time youre convicted of violence and you are ajudged by a court courtmartial and wind up spending more than six months in a military prison, thats a felony. And there shouldnt be a distinction between a a courtmartial that a bad misconduct charge, like kelley had, which you could argue has been argued is not a felony and a dishonorable discharge, which would preclude you getting a weapon. Theres a good argument that says that that distinction should be eliminated, craig. Frank, this morning the attorney general of texas, he told my friend and colleagali v there might be a solution for smaller communities who are worried about things like this happening there. Take a listen. I think if youre in smaller churches, smaller communities, youre going to have to come up with another solution, which is potentially arming your congregation and making sure theyre armed and ready. As you saw, theres not always time for First Responders to get there. My argument is, adding new gun laws wouldnt have changed this situation. This guy was willing to violate potentially gun laws already in place. He also violated the law against murdering people. Frank, your thoughts . Its sad but true that we have reached the place in our society where all churches now need to consider a security plan. Look, churches are supposed to be a place of refuge, safety, a place where you can move from a secular space to the sacred space. If churches are going to facilitate and ensure that ability, its time for them to have plans. And it could be riskbased, it should be riskbased. The size of the facility, the neighborhood youre in, the size of your congregation and the risk that that presents, all needs to be considered. Sitting here right now f youre a church leader, its time for you to sit down with your board, your elders, your pa rigsers and discuss that security plan. Colonel, we have to leave it there. Gentlemen, thanks for your insights this afternoon. President trump weighs in on the mass shooting from asia, calling the alleged shooter a very deranged individual. Why hes saying this rampage wasnt a gun situation. Were also learning more today about the 26 victims from this tightknit community. Half of them children. One as young as just 18 months old. Their heartbreaking stories straight ahead. David. Whats going on . Oh hey thats it . Yeah. Everybody two seconds dear sebastian, after careful consideration of your application, it is with great pleasure that we offer our congratulations on your acceptance. 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The Texas Attorney general followed that up by suggesting that maybe small churches everywhere need to train and arm people in those churches so that they can be safer at services. Youll remember, craig, because you and i were both there after the shooting that took 59 lives and injured more than 500 in las vegas when the president was asked about what are we going to be doing as a country. He said, well talk about gun laws as time goes on. Heres what he had to say at a press conference overnight. This isnt a guns situation. I mean, we could go into it but its a little soon to go into it. This is a Mental Health problem at the highest level. Its a very, very sad event. Reporter even though the president made those comments very quickly, kellyanne conway, his counselor, suggested that the democrats had made the rush to judgment by politicizing it saying just this morning that the conversations are disrespectful to the dead but already we are hearing from people on congress in congress, like senator chris murphy of connecticut, of course, where the new town mass shooting happened, pushing for something to be done. He suggesting that all of us are now at risk, craig. Top of the agenda for this president and leaders there throughout asia, north korea. Whats the latest on the crisis there . Whats the president saying about north korea . Reporter yeah, it was a major topic, it is the major topic going throughout this. Hes going to have a very different situation when he leaves a little later on today for seoul because does have this personal relationship with Prime Minister abe. Even though they disagree on trade, theyre much closer to each other about what should be done to restrain the threat here. Different for president moon. Having said that, there is an overriding concern throughout asia and that is the president s rhetoric on this. Yesterday again he defend the way hes talked both about north korea and its leader. Take a listen. The era of strategic patience is over. Some people said my rhetoric is very strong, but look whats happened with very weak rhetoric over the last that years. Reporter weave heard him talk about little rocket man, referring to kim jongun, about fire and fury, how he would totally destroy north korea if in some way the United States was threatened. So, people will be watching very closely when he gives a major speech on this, when he gets to seoul, about exactly how much he will dial back the rhetoric on this and, obviously, hes also going to be going not to the dmz, where other president s, many other president s have gone, but to camp humphries, the largest base, an army base outside of seoul. Its the largest outside of the United States. I think its worth noting, craig, that even though he may not be using some of the rhetoric, symbolic its very important that in the first three days of this trip he is going to two military bases here on the continent. Obviously, a signal about u. S. Military might in this part of the world, directly directly at kim jongun. Craig . Chris jansing traveling with President Trump in tokyo. Chris, thank you. Heres a look at some of the other top stories we are following this hour. Exclusive new details into russias possible melding in the 2016 election. Nbc news reports exclusively that federal investigators have now gathered enough evidence to bring charges in the investigation into former Trump National security adviser Michael Flynn and his son, Michael Flynn jr. Lawyers for both father and son have declined to comment. Today commerce secretary wilbur ross denied reports that he may have concealed possible business ties to russia. Multiple reports revealing that rogs retaining interests in navigator holdings. Thats a shipping company that does extensive business with Russian Energy firm. That firm is controlled by russian president Vladimir Putins soninlaw and other putin advisers as well. Ross calling the reports about him failing to disclose this information, quote, silly and totally wrong. A federal judge has denied requests from former Trump Campaign manager excuse me, Trump Campaign chair, Paul Manafort and deputy rick gates, to lift their house arrests. The pair will need to fully disclose all of their Financial Assets before any deal can be made. If approved, gates and manafort would only be allowed to travel in their local area and would still be monitored by gps tracking. Both men have been confined to their homes since last monday where they were charged with conspiracy to launder money and failing to register as a foreign agent. They have each pled not guilty. And it turns out that kentucky senator rand paul has five broken ribs as a result of being tackled by a neighbor at his home in bowling green, kentucky, on friday. Reports indicate paul was in the middle of when rene boucher was charged with one count of fourth degree assault. The two men reportedly have ongoing problems. Pauls adviser stated its unclear when the senator will be able to get become to work as, quote, the pain is considerable and is the as is the difficulty in getting around. Should the texas shooting be blamed on the failure to deal with the mentally ill, as the president suggests, or this countrys lack of gun control . Eight members, eight members of the holcombe family lost thirs lives. Three generations from one family nearly wiped out. Well talk to a woman whos been a friend of the holcombes for 30 years. hard exhalation honey . Can we do this tomorrow . grunts of effort can we do this tomorrow . If you have Heart Failure symptoms, your risk of hospitalization could increase, making tomorrow uncertain. But entresto is a medicine that was proven, in the largest Heart Failure study ever, to help more people stay alive and out of the hospital than a leading Heart Failure medicine. Women who are pregnant must not take entresto. It can cause harm or death to an unborn baby. Dont take entresto with an ace inhibitor or aliskiren. If youve had angioedema while taking an ace or arb medicine, dont take entresto. The most serious side effects are angioedema, low blood pressure, kidney problems, or high potassium in your blood. Tomorrow, tomorrow. When can we do this again, grandpa . Well, how about tomorrow . Ask your doctor about entresto and help make tomorrow possible. Joe tackitt, i got to ask him about the unnamed neighbor who engaged with the shooter. Sheriff tackitt calling that man a hero. One of our local citizens here heard the shooting. He grabbed his rifle, went out and, i guess, engaged in gunfire with the suspect and then the suspect took off and jumped in his vehicle, took off, they went down this road here. Our hero, he stopped a young man in a pickup truck and said, follow that vehicle. Had it not been for that neighbor, what would have likely happened . Probably would have been more deaths. Again to put this in perspective, a guy walked into the church behind me shortly after Service Began yesterday, praying, singing, he opens fire and among the dead, at least 14 children. Nbcs katie beck is in san antonio, texas, not far from here. Katie, what can you tell us about the victims, what can you tell us about those who are recovering from their injuries right now . Reporter good afternoon, craig. As you stated, so many families today deep in grief and loss after this shooting. There are also many families clinging to hope, hoping for a recovery for a miracle at this point. Today at this point we are aware of 15 victims that are still hospitalized. Six of those victims here at University Hospital and three of the victims here at this hospital are children. We were told earlier this morning that one child who was transported last night was, unfortunately, unable to be saved and died here at the hospital. Another child we are aware of is 5yearold rylen ward, he was brought here last night, brought into emergency surgery after being shot five times. His grandmother spoke to us this morning and said he was in stable condition but that he was going to be rushed into another surgery. We are awaiting details on his recovery at this point. Later today were supposed to hear from the surgeons who were in the trauma center, working tirelessly to try and save these folks. Were expecting to have that some time later this afternoon. Craig . Catie, a few feet from where im standing right now here in Sutherland Springs there was this candlelight vigil last night. Dozens of folks showing up. A couple hundred actually showing up to show their support for the families and the fallen. Any word on other activities planned in or around this area to honor those who lost their lives . Reporter at this point right now going on in the hospital behind me is a blood drive. Theyre asking for anyone who is able to come to the hospital lobby and donate to these victims. Theyve obviously had a mass casualty situation here and they need as much blood as they can. They have people lined up in there to give blood. Were aware 40 have given blood so far but there was a line of 20 or more an hour ago when we were inside that lobby. At this point that blood drive will stay open until about 7 00. Theyre hopeful that more and more people will come and give with the hopes of saving those victims. We spoke to one woman in that line. Heres what she had to say. I was a bridesmaid at that church about two months ago. Just thinking about how beautiful that day was compared to how awful yesterday must have been, i think for me this is something physical i can do to help my close friends. There were people injured that my dad went to school with and it ineffects the entire community, especially in a church thats small. I mean, that church is tiny. Roughly 50 to 60 people each week. There is nobody who is left unscathed. Reporter in small communities like this, craig, as you know, it touches everyone, it affects everyone. Even here in san antonio 40 miles away, we were running into someone who was just in that church for a wedding. It just goes to show theres a lot of heavy hearts today. A lot of people hoping these remaining victims pull through. Craig . Catie beck for us there just northwest of where i am in san antonio. Thank you. Nearly a third of the victims killed sunday are from the same family. The holcombe lost eight family members when that gunman open fire inside the church. Bryan holcombe was preaching for the day, as a visiting pastor. His wife karla reportedly taught sunday school, their son marc and 1yearold daughter were both killed. Along with bryan and karls daughterinlaw who was eight months pregnant and three of her children. Gabe gutierrez just sat down exclusively with a woman who has been friends with the holcombe family for more than 30 years. I knew right away that karla and bryan were killed. I knew that and i called her and her phone rang and rang and rang. And i knew then. Sorry. They were a family like no other because bryan and karla would give you the shirt off their back. For the family to be there and to get wiped out just about, i mean, karla and bryan, in my opinion, are blessed because they got to go together. I think its the ones that survive that are the unlucky ones. You have to understand that you are left there because you have a purpose. And thats what i want to tell john, their oldest son. He got shot in the leg. Gabe will have more of that exclusive interview tonight on nbc nightly news. First Baptist Church actually puts their weekly sermons on youtube. We want to share a bit of the sermon from just one week ago. Pastor Frank Pomeroy lost his daughter yesterday. He was in the pulpit last sunday. 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In the last two months, though, even mental care has been at serious risk with the latest efforts to Reform Health care. Tell us about that. Right. Well, as americans try to pass some sort of replace and replace of obamacare, part of what theyve done is gone after Mental Health benefits. And the risk in reducing those benefits comes in where theyve given state recent legislation have given state the option not to provide those benefits, to op out. And then you have the president s own move a month after coming into office where he over turned an obama era rule that said that social people who receive Social Security benefits for Mental Health would be added into the National Database for background checks. And the administration at the time estimated this was about 75,000 people, just an extra check. And the president signed a law that rolled that back. And so, you know, if the president is raising Mental Health issue, its natural to ask questions about what he wants in a healthcare bill and why he decided that it was the right thing to do to repeal that obama era regulation. Jeffrey, you actually wrote an op ed about President Trump rolling back that policy that carol was just alluding to there, that regulation that made it harder. And you wrote that, quote, pooem with Mental Illnesses are no more dangerous to others when they have equal access to guns. Can you explain why you think that . Well, let me just say this. We have 10 Million People in the United States with serious Mental Illnesses such as skrits freena or bipolar disorder or depression. About maybe 3 million lack access to Mental Health care and, you know, the systems that we have are fragmented and over burden end and under resourced. That is a huge public Health Problem that has almost nothing to do with the problem of mass casualty shootings. Because the vast majority of people with Mental Illness, well over 90 if we factor out Substance Abuse arent violent towards other people. So if its a listening factor, its a very nonspecific one like being, you know, young and male. Interpersonal violence is very complicated. Its difficult to predict and its difficult to prevent. But we need to focus on actual risk factors such as history of violent behavior of any kind is a far better predictor of violence than Mental Illness is. And it looks like he may have had both of those things. Carol, jeffrey, i wish we had more time. Its an important conversation, but its a conversation that undoubtedly is going to be continuing here in the next few days and weeks and hopefully is month. The 14yearold daughter of the pastor here at the First Baptist church, she was among the victims in the deadly shooting. Im going to talk to a friend of pastor Frank Pomeroy about what the family is going through, how theyre holding up. 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