Also this afternoon, the Daily White House press briefing is scheduled to kick off roughly 45 minutes from you. When it happens well have it for you live. One thing this white house communicates effectively chaos. The new White House Communications director takes a page from his unpredictable boss, lashing out at the man who in most white houses would outrank him, the chief of staff, Reince Priebus. When i said we were brothers from the podium, thats because were roughhousers. Some brothers are like cain and abel. Some wrothers can fight and get along. I dont know if this is reparable or not. Thats up to the president. When i put reinces name in a tweet theyre making the assumption its him because journalists know who the leakers are. If reince wants to explain hes not a leaker, let him do that. For those of yous no as familiar with the good book, remember, that cain killed abel. The drama started last night when in a tweet Anthony Scaramucci appeared to blame priebus for leaking Financial Disclosure information that he would contact the fbi. However, as even the politico reporter who broke the story said today this information was publicly available. Quote, mr. Scaramuccis form 278e is publicly available from the export import bank. Just ask. In order, there was no improper leaking. In fact, scaramucci would admit or not admit to depending on which portion of the interview you listen to. I understand the sausage factory and the process of the way it was leaked. I know that there was a Public Disclosure mechanism of my financial forms. A shining example of an strax that likes to talk loudly and provocatively about leaks but has no answers on the russia sanctions bill. Kelly odonnell, scaramucci kept dropping the president s name like the president himself was on board with his this attack on his chief of staff. What can you tell us . Reporter the currency that Anthony Scaramucci uses most off season his relationship with the president , referencing times they meet in the oval office, times they speak by telephone, even from air force one. He is reinforcing and trying to set a marker that he has a bond with the president and speaks for the president. As a Communications Director, speaking for the president is a part of the official role. But as you pointed out, in most white houses, the chief of staff is the big boss. That is the big boss who is in charge of everyone else, who reports to the president. Wroo here the line of command is different. Scaramucci says he reports directly to the president. This is a real challenge to authority of the chief of staff, a brawl that has gone very public. Scaramucci also tells us he has a harvard law degree so the notion he was unclear about what is a felony and what is not is curious. And it is a standard thing that there are these forms that must be provided in government service. He, of course, comes from the wall street world where i think a lot of Financial Data is something that is closely held. He is worth roughly 85 billion according to the Million Dollars according to those reports. So one can understand he might be sensitive about his Financial Data going public. But it was very typical, very normal. Now the other piece of this where certainly there have been stories that have been general rated about the inner workings, the palace intrigue as we call it, sometimes its about the policies or the direction of where things will go. White houses frequently dont want those things written about, but thats standard washington practice and if there were warring factions inside who do leaking against one another, it has certainly been something that weve dissected over months now where weve talked about the factions, the power bases, the struggle inside, a white house without a traditional chain of command when you have to soninlaw, jared kushner, as a senior adviser, the president s daughter, ivanka trump, as an official position, and now scaramucci, they tell us todays his start date. Last friday he told us it would be a few weeks. He will not be taking a federal salary. That is something that he has the flexibility to do so he becomes perhaps the fourth person in the white house when you consider the president , the kushners, ivanka trump, jared, scaramucci, i believe gary cohn may not also take a federal salary so there are several people who have this kind of economic power. And so now youre seeing a real public smackdown of someone whos been through a lot in these early months, Reince Priebus. Kelly odonnell, thank you. Day ma milbank is an opinion writer for the Washington Post, Charlie Sikes is a conservative commentator and msnbc contribute or or t contributor. Good to see both of you. The wall street journal took this picture in the oval office yesterday. There it is there on your screen. Caption that for me if you can, dana milbank. Well, you know, in the house of representatives, already a challenge to Susan Collins to a duel. This one looks to be occurring right there in the white house. The problem is i think reince has already sort of lost. Hes been sort of verbally shot full of holes already. His last friend in the white house, sean spicer, has hit the road. Its got to be an awfully lonely job there to be a chief of staff in this white house without any authority and without any control over what is constant chaos. Charlie, how do you feel your fellow wisconsinite is being treated here, Reince Priebus . Yeah. If only hed been warned. The white house seems to be getting into the white house is like being put into a sack with scorpions and poisonous snakes. Theyve taken the crazy and turned the dial up to 11. But danas absolutely right. At some point reince has to say, look, a little bit of pride left. This is management by humiliation. The president you know, if the president wants to get rid of him, he can do this. Last nigh, think about that, you have the Communications Director for the president tweeting an allegation that the chief of staff may have committed a felony based on something that was the release of a public document. We have moved beyond strange, beyond bizarre. We have to come up with new words to describe all of this. Again, it seems as if, dana, he did all that with the president s blessing. Why does donald trump seem to like to leave top people like Reince Priebus and Jeff Sessions twisting in the wind . You know, craig, we often find ourselves in the position of asking why does donald trump do this . Whats going on in his head that to cause him to do this . I am subscribed to the jack reed theory that we heard in that conversation we werent supposed to hear with Susan Collins when he said hes crazy. So its possible there is no logic that were trying to uncover here. It is clear that scaramucci channels donald trump very well, that he tends to shoot from the hip, say things in public that are not necessarily wellinformed or based on the fact but is not contrite in the slightest. So even if he doesnt speak precisely for trump, he certainly speaks exactly like trump. Charlie, senator Lindsey Graham got a lot of attention this morning. This is what he said about this apparent attempt to get rid of both Jeff Sessions and special counsel mubob mueller. Take a listen. This effort to basically marginalize and humiliate the attorney general is not going over well in the senate. If Jeff Sessions is fired, there will be holy hell to pay. Any effort to go after mueller could be the beginning of the end of the Trump Presidency unless mueller did something wrong. The p beginning of the end of the Trump Presidency. Again, thats coming from Lindsey Graham. Whats the end game here, charlie . Is. Great to hear that from Lindsey Graham but we need to hear it from paul ryan and others. This is the first time i get the sense a lot of republicans and conservatives are rattled by the behavior of the president , the lack of discipline, the way he is stepping on the message, the way he throws people under the bus. So this has been an absolutely unpredictable presidency and were obviously heading into a really unpredictable time was of course this question what is the red line, we dont know. Were not necessarily close to it, but i think its interesting the way that Lindsey Graham escalated his rhetoric basically saying, look, if you do this, youre not only getting rid of somebody whos a member of senate club but youre obviously doing this in order to obstruct an investigation, something we should not forget, the president is openly talking about doing things to obstruct an investigation into himself, his cronies and his family, and that is extraordinary. We cant normalize that. Dana, your new piece there in the post sums up these fights over health care and sessions and more. Sku welcome to the United States of anarchy. This is what it might look like if there were no president at all stuff happens but nothing gets done. You say so it goes when a president doesnt act like one. All fury, no function. What does all of this mean, a all of what weve been watching play out over the last few days, arguably the last few months . What does it mean for the republican agenda moving forward . Well, its been all sound and fury and nothing has been produced. I agree with charlie, its really good to hear Lindsey Graham talking this way. Still not hearing the Republican Leaders saying at some point they have to relize that their agenda is just stillborn with this president. Hes a distraction at best and seems to be torpedoing their agenda tldeliberately or otherwise. There has to be a moment at which they say he has the support of the base but weve been elected as officers of the United States and have to do something to protect it. Gentlemen, thank you so much. More breaking news out of the white house. A mike flynn hire is now out at the National Security council. Kelly odonnell is back with us. Is what can you tell tell us about Derrick Harvey . Reporter an indication there is a power struggle within the National Security council. We know h. R. Mcmaster has relieved Derrick Harvey from his service at the white house. However, they say the administration will look for another place for him to have a role. This is notable because harvey is a retired army colonel, worked with David Petraeus as a part of the surge in the iraq war strategy. Comes from the Defense Intelligence agency and thats where that Michael Flynn connection comes from that you noted, craig. Of course flynn was the former National Security adviser who was barely in office here just a matter of days before he was forced to resign over his lack of transparency about his russia meetings or connections. And so this is a change in part of the strategy. Now, part of the portfolio for Derrick Harvey, we understand, deals with iran. The president had said he would rip up the iran agreement. That has not happened. There is an expectation that iran keeping to its promises with respect to its nuclear program, thats whats going on around the country has been recertified by the Trump Administration and so ongoing policy with iran might be an area that was a specialty for Derrick Harvey. We have not been told any more details. This separation announcement does speak in ways that might be different than others, praising his work, praising his service in uniform as well as on capitol hill, and the critical indication that they want to find a place in the administration where his skills and expertise can be utilized. So this may simply be an issue of not being on the same page, different working styles, a carryover from the flynn era. Its important because the National Security arm of this white house has such a huge plate and weve seen how many issues the president has to grapple with, and it is this National Security council that forp forms the policy to help the president make critical decisions. This is a notable change for those reasons. Kelly odonnell with breaking news at the white house. Thank you. The skinny on the skinny repeal. What exactly is in the gops lastditch plan to chip away at obamacare and if it passes will House Republicans get behind it . Ill ask one of those republicans, congressman mark sanford, a member of the freedom caucus, will join me on the other side of the break. And what happened . Hillary clinton letting down her guard to talk about her devastating loss and what she thinks was behind it. Well have preview of her new book, what she calls a cautionary tale about a stranger than fiction election. And we are again just roughly a half hour or so away from the daily oncamera press briefing. Sarah Huckabee Sanders will be stepping to that podium were told somewhere around 1 45. Well get you there live when it happens. Ce. Huh. 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This afternoon well see a symbolic vote in which republicans try to put democrats on the record, whether or not theyd be in favor of going to a singlepayer system. Think of this a Getting Campaign ad material up front and easy before 2018. Later tonight, potentially much plaiter, well see the vote on the skinny repeal, basically whatever the republicans can put together to get to 50 votes. Thats what weve come down to here is republicans basically saying were going to get rid of the individual mandate and whatever our membership will let us take beyond that and whatever the Senate Parliamentarian will let us say we can take with less than 50 votes. Even republican senators dont know what theyll be voting on tonight. I asked three republican senators arguably among the more likely to vote against this plan if they even know whats in it. Take a listen. Do you support this socalled skinny repeal . Do you know if you will . I dont know whats in it true, i truly done. I havent seen it so ill reserve comment on that before we a we move into the markup tonight. Im still waiting to see. There was some discussion on the floor last evening when we broke as to what this skinny bill would look like. Reporter not exactly rousing support for whats in the skinny bill, but the flip side is republican who is say, look, we promise to vote on repealing obamacare. Were going to find some way to do it, and this may be the only way we can at least get to a Conference Committee with the house and fight it out later. I talked to senator john kennedy of louisiana, whos been pushing far vote for a long time. He explained rather colorfully why he would like to see this vote tonight pass. I toll my people that first chance i get im going to vote to repeal. And it is propoed to me to put in its place is an improvement over the Affordable Care act, even though its not perfect, im going to vote for it. Ill be on it like a hobo on a ham sandwich. Reporter there are you go, craig. We will see a vote tonight on something and ill be checking in with senator kennedy again later to see what he thinks about it. Like a hobo on a ham sandwich. All right. Garrett haake on capitol hill, thank you so much for that. Let us now bring in South Carolina republican congressman mark sanford. Congressman, always good to see you. Thanks for being with me, sir. Thank you, sir. No deep cuts to medicaid, getting rid of the individual mandate, the. Employer mandate. That seems to be reportedly the bulk of what the senate is considering here with this socalled skinny repeal. Would passing that fulfill the gop promise to repeal and replace obamacare . No, i dont think so. I think its a reminder of the amount of hyperbole that ha come down in this debate. So i think the republicans probably overstate what, quote, repeal means. Democrats probably overstate what repeal means. And, you know, well see what comes. But, i mean, i think youre accurate in what you describe in terms of what the skinny proposal looks like. Ive heard the med cool device tax in there as well. Thats the only other thing ive heard in there. Obviously its not a full repeal so, i think republicans are overstating and i think democrats are overstating the degree of harm when you begin to talk about this much of a watering down of what was proposed or talked about at least in this larger debate. Whatever comes out of the Upper Chamber will come back. You guys will conference. Have you seen anything from the senate bill from the attempts to pass a bill, anything that you could support or get behind . I think youd have to separate policy from politics on this one. I think the politics become difficult for a republican in the house should this come back our way to vote no but a its at least, quote, doing something. And it involves some level of repeal of a portion of the Affordable Care act. From a policy standpoint, in some ways it makes some of the Current Trends that have hurt the individual marketplace worse. If you leave in place, you know, for instance, the idea of preexisting conditions, staying on your parents plan till the age of 26, those kinds of things but, you know, take off the individual mandate, you probably mathematically worsened the box that the Affordable Care act is in and Insurance Companies in offering availability to different states throughout this country. Premiums one would assume would go up. Correct. I want to ask you about this ongoing twitter and verbal assault by the president on hi attorney general Jeff Sessions. The Washington Post reporting unlike any other controversial move the President Trump has ponders in hi six months a president , Senate Republicans are sending preemptive signals that firing the attorney general or pressuring him to resign would be a terrible move. What would you say to this president about hi very Public Comments about his attorney general . Theyre hurting him. I think i heard on your show earlier listening in the earpiece what you played back with regard to what Lindsey Graham said. I think lindseys statement is accurate. There would be hell to pay, real consequences. I think sessions has more than a considerable following in the senate and more importantly with conservatives at large in this country. An the idea of cowering him, crowding him out of office i think doesnt serve the presidency well. And i think through this particular form of not just manning up and saying if im going to shoot you, im going to shoot you in the face, you ear out, it doesnt work, doesnt work well either. I think it irritates people. People are saying look, if this is a guy known for celebrating apresent Technical Analyst with the words youre fired and yet he cant man up enough to do it, thats a problem. I think at two Different Levels this palace intrigue we see playing out is problematic for the administration. There continues to be this sense of frenzy and disarray. Today the stuff between priebus an scaramucci. Is the attention to the intramural squabbles among top aides, does that affect the agenda at all, or is this just noise an you guys are still there on the hill doing the peoples by . Well, in fairness, i saw a chart the other day on the number of bills that have been passed by the house. Its actually what youve seen in a couple previous administrations. There is stuff going on in the house, but to your point, its not what gets covered, not whats talked about, and so, you know, were sitting here talking about this. I think there has been rather breathless level of coverage from a media standpoint on all the palace intrigue that goes on in the white house. But you guys are going to do what youre going to do. We cant control that. What we can control is, again, what has been passing on the house an actually springly its been fairly productive on the house side, a lot of bills hell up on the senate side, a lot of bills havent made their way to the president s desk. Mark sanford, always good to see you. Yes, sir. What happened . Hillary clinton says that sthees letting her guard down for the first time to share her thoughts on her stunning election defeat. Details from her new book an who shes blaming for her loss. Also, the sessions showdown. After days of launching twitter bombs at his attorney general, talking trash in public, is the president getting ready to move on Jeff Sessions . Im ryan and i quit smoking with chantix. Everything i did circled around that cigarette when i started taking the chantix that urge just slowly diminished and it was a great and empowering feeling. Along with support, Chantix Varenicline is proven to help people quit smoking. Chantix reduced my urge to smoke. 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The Ohio State Fair plans to reopen today but all of its rides will remain closed. Melania trump is heading to canada for her first solo foreign trip as first lady. She will be leading the u. S. Delegation to this years Invictus Games being held in toronto in late september. The olympicstyle games are for servicemen and servicewomen who have been injured in combat. President trump will be following excuse me, Melania Trump will be following in the footsteps of former First Lady Michelle Obama who helped kick off those same games in 2016 in orlando. And he started selling books online from his garage just over two decades ago but today amazon Ceo Jeff Bezos is the richest person on the planet. Thats according to forbes. Com. His net worth topping some 90 billion. It was just enough to surpass microsoft cofounder bill gates, who has held that mantel since 2013. The title of Hillary Clintons highly anticipated memoir about the 2016 president ial campaign was revealed today. Its called what happened, and in it clinton promises to candidly take you inside her stunning loss in whats billed as her most personal narrative yet. The book is due to hit book shelves on september 12th. Jonathan capehart is an opinion writer for tthe washington po post, also an msnbc contributor. Always good to have you, sir. Hi, craig. What more do we know about the book . This isnt the former first lady, former secretary of states first book, but this is the first book coming out after her, as she calls it, her devastating loss in the 2016 president ial race. And shes been doing events since november, particularly since the inauguration, various events where shes been asked about what happened during the campaign and shes talked about a lot of things such as it was russian interference, there was misogyny involved, and she, you know, according to the publishers, shes going to get into all of that including what she thinks about, you know, what people were saying about her age and her appearance and how that impacted the way she ran for president. How much of a tellall do you think we should expect . You know, i mean, as she says, at least in what was released by the publisher, that, you know, she views going out in public as a high wire act but now is the time for her to let her guard down so, how much shes willing to do that well only know once we get the books in our hands and we can actually see. We all know after having followed her for more than three decades that she is an extremely cautious perp in public. Those of us who have covered her for a very long time, years as first lady or for me when she became u. S. Senator from new york to her time as secretary of state in public, she is very cautious, very controlled, in private she can be xwgar louse, funny, sometimes profane, but she has a sense of humor and warmth privately shes never allowed to reveal publicly. Maybe with this book it will be the first step for everyone getting to see the real hillary clinton. Shes been criticized a fair amount for fingerpointing instead of taking responsibility for some of her shortcomings during the campaign. Do you think she owns up to her own mistakes in this book . Look, one can only hope that she does. I believe in one interview she actually several interviews shes given, shes acknowledged her own mistakes. I think what people want to hear from her is specifics on those mistakes. What exactly does she take responsibility for, what mistakes does she think she wishes she could correct. For instance, spending more time in michigan, spending more time paying attention to michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania, and those places that under normal circumstances, president ial circumstances, democrats wouldnt have to worry about, but as we saw in 2016 democrats had every reason to worry that voters would turn on the party and vote for a man who as we see day in and day out is just not up to the job of running an enterprise as important as the United States. Well leave it there. Jonathan capehart with the Washington Post. Should be a fascinating read in september. Yeah. Thank you, sir. Sessions shakedown. The attorney general out of the country today amid those new reports that President Trump is considering a recess appointment to replace him. Can he do that . Well also hear from sessions. Hes scheduled to sit down for an interview tonight. 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Our justice correspondent Pete Williams is standing by for more on this. Pete, did the position come as a surprise at all . Yes, i think it did because the Justice Department had not taken this position before. As a matter of fact, the Obama Administration never took a position one way or the other on this. The Obama Administration never said, for example, in any Court Filings that the law does bar discrimination based on sexual ore yepation and congress has repeatedly refused to put this into the law. Nonetheless, to have the government step into what is in essence a private lawsuit to take this position did come as a surprise. What the government said is, look, all but one of the federal Appeals Courts that have considered this have come to the same conclusion, that the civil rights law bars discrimination because of sex but the government says what that means is treating men and women differently, not discrimination based on sexual orientation, and thats the position that the government usuals in this case, which is a lawsuit over a skydiving company, a man who worked for a skydiving company on long island. He claimed he was fired because he was gay. He sued, he lost in the courts below, but now the federal Appeals Court is considering this question and the Justice Department has stepped in to express its view. It did take the Lgbtq Community off guard, catch them off forward because the government isnt a party to this case. Theres no government party, no Government Employee or Government Agency involved here. But it is a different view than the equal Employment Opportunities commission is taking in the same lawsuit. The eeoc se yes, the civil rights law does bar discrimination based on sexual discrimination. So the Appeals Court will have to work this out. It could ultimately go to the Supreme Court if there is a split among the circuits as it appears that one is developing. But tights second time this week that people in the Lgbtq Community feel theyve been let down by the Trump Administration after the president s promises to try to take care of them during his campaign. Our justice correspondent Pete Williams for us this afternoon in washington. Pete, thank you. You bet. What next . Plenty of bipartisan backlash and questions about what pete was just talking about there, President Trumps announced ban on Transgender Americans serving in the armed forces. When does he plan to implement that thing and can he actually mab make it happen . Well get the latest from the pentagon. 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Reporter craig, we just heard from the army chief of staff general mele and he said he first found out about this decision when the president tweeted it. He didnt know about it before hand. He said he didnt necessarily expect he would be read in on Something Like that, but the general kind of giving us our first voice on just how confused the pentagon is and the challenges that they have in implementing this policy. So you had general dunford sending out that memo, making sure and making very clear that they expect everyone including transgender members of the military, to be treated with respect. We had a mem know from the chief navy admiral in carnal of Navy Personnel saying medical practice will continue, no changes in medical treatment for any transgender individuals. Overall, the feeling at the pentagon, theyre trying to divine the president s intent, what he meant from those tweets and have not received as of a couple hours ago any further guidance from the white house on just when they want this policy implemented, how they want it implemented, and what the overall implications of it are going to be. Craig . Hans nichols updating us on that ongoing controversy. Ha hans, thank you. After a week of blistering public attacks, attorney general Jeff Sessions is heading to el salvador today to talk about ways to stomp out the brutal street gang ms13. With his future still in doubt, republican senators continue to rally around their former colleague. Im joined by eliza collins, politics report we are usa today. And charlie savage, pulitzer wise prizewinning washington correspondent for the new york times. He is also an msnbc contributor. Charlie, you wrote about President Trumps options concerning the attorney general today. Walk us through how the president could get rid of Jeff Sessions if he does not decide to quit. Absolutely. So the premise for even understanding why this is an issue is that Jeff Sessions stands in the way of a trump loyalist who could take control of the russia investigation and either curtail it or possibly even fire a special counsel bob mueller, who currently is under the control and oversight of the Deputy Attorney general because Jeff Sessions recused himself from the Russia Campaign interference matter. And so if trump could put someone new in as an attorney general who is not recused he could take over control of that investigation and bring it to a close, essentially. That means Jeff Sessions is kind of Collateral Damage potentially in the white houses attempt to push back against this investigation. If sessions does not permit himself to be bullied into voluntarily resigning, the president can fire him at will whenever he wants to. But the real question is how does he get someone into Jeff Sessions place because under a normal circumstances, the Deputy Attorney general, the one already overseeing that investigation, would become the acting attorney general and that wouldnt accomplish the president s ends. So he could appoint someone under the federal kra vai can sis reform act. That would have to be someone whos already received Senate Confirmation to whatever government position theyre in right now or a very senior Justice Department official whos been on the job for at least three months. May not be a huge list of people who would be panting and eager to fire bob mueller. Based on their backgrounds. The more interesting sopgs a recess appointment. A recess wh session is out of session for a few days, he fills va ka sis. And were on the cusp of a very long senate vacation. That sets up the question of if the senate does go into recess, will President Trump oust Jeff Sessions and put in another attorney general for this purpose. Or will they try to stop him by saying in session. Exactly right. Sitting down with tucker carlson. What do you expect that well hear from a few sessions . Just kind of moving forward, doing what president promised on the campaign trail. Conservative members, he was like a reliable conservative, yes. But there will be backlash if he is fired, so i think you can see sessions saying were being tough on sanctuary cities and we hear the hustle and the bustle of the hill behind you. They will be volting on the so called skinny repeal as one of the last voeks that would include parts of obama care. What are you hearing on the hill, elisa, does it have the support to pass . Not right now. You mentioned some things that could be those are likely things, individual mandate, medical device, they will all likely have enough support to pass, but the idea that what ends up passing from the senate is not a final bill. Then it has to go and be reconciled with the house where there are on conservatives, they want a bigger bill, and the house passed a bigger bill. I think you will see some senate herbe ers now expressing concerns about what will happen when it goes to conference. John mccain said he wants to know what will happen after it passes the senate, its moving the ball down the field a little bit, but not all of the way. While we had this conversation, the boy scouts put out a statement, this just in, one of the top officials for the National Organization responding to the fury of President Trumps visit this month. They were critical of the president injecting politics in what was traditionally an a political event. They were writing we sincerely regret that politics were inserted into the scouting program. Were you purr prized at all to hear from the boy scouts on that. My have sons that are in boy scouts and a cub scout right now. Just in my private life, they were all aghast that that happened. Republican or democratic, just seemed not fitting with an organization of that nature to politicize it and turn it into a Campaign Rally and also to sort of enlist young boys, teenagers who maybe dont know what theyre cheering for, to become politicized like that. I think the organization felt a need to respond to those sorts of concerns. Lets talk quickly about Jeff Sessions, do you get the sense there that they think the attorney general will survive this or do they think his days are numbers . I think they think this is the moment trump could lose republicans. Every day public humiliation eventually, he may not want to work for them any more. 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Coming up on msnbc live, kristine jansing. Im actually kris jansing in for katie turr. A few things to talk about and well have it for you as soon as it happens. Coming up, the new Communications Director threatening the white house staff for leaking information. That brings us to our word of the day, leak or some of. It was suggested that rothat reince was the leaker. It reince was wants to describe how he is not a leaker, let him. It was an effort to intimidate white house leakers. But not just that threat, there are also President Trumps threats against his own attorney general Jeff Sessions. Now reporting that the president is looking at a recess