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Conduct. I never heard that the white house under this president or other persistent is saying, well, you cant interview this person or look at this time period, you can only look at these people from one side of the street from when they were growing up. I mean, come on. We want to take a look at several part of this story, the fbis specific witness list does not include Julie Swetnick who has accused Brett Kavanaugh of Sexual Misconduct in high school. Former classmates who describe kavanaugh as a frequent, heavy drinker in college, they also are not on the list. And his behavior and lost his temper several times throughout that whole process. This is causing many to wonder if kavanaugh has the temperament and is fit for the Supreme Court regardless of the Sexual Misconduct allegations. Were also watching how kavanaughs nomination is impacting congress. Republican senator Lindsey Graham has already threatened to launch a probe into how ford fords allegations were first handled by his democratic colleagues. How would this and the fbi probe galvanize midterm voters. To help discuss this is political reporter Leigh Ann Caldwell, eliza collins, and navid jamal, also an msnbc contributor. I know nbc news has confirmed a New York Times report that attorneys for dr. Ford say that the fbi actually hasnt responded to her requests to do an interview despite her repeated efforts to speak with agents. What do we know about who the fbi plans to speak with and who they may have already spoken with or reached out to . Sure, amon. We do know this fbi investigation as you mentioned before is quite limited. We know that they are going to talk to mark judge, the key witness who was allegedly in the room with Mark Kavanaugh when the Sexual Assault took place with dr. Ford and two other people who dr. Ford say were at the party. So theres three people, the fourth person is the second accuser, thats ramirez. She went to undergrad with Mark Kavanaugh, thats the allegation where he exposed himself to her. So where this goes and if the fbi does talk to dr. Ford as you mentioned her lawyers say that they have not reached out yet. Were unsure if thats the plan if theyre actually going to. Ive been in touch with some sources on the hill who say they havent heard yet if dr. Ford is going to be part of this investigation or her testimony is going to be considered the evidence they need. It may not come as a surprise were hearing two things coming out of the washington, particularly the white house. I want you to take a listen to the president claiming that the white house is actually not limiting the fbi in its Background Investigation. Watch this. They have free rein. Whatever it is they do, theyll be doing things we never even thought of. And hopefully at the conclusion everything will be fine. So the idea of free reign you heard from the president , obviously now being disputed by several news outlets. Sarah sanders today said the senate was the one dictating the scope. Do we know whos giving the fbi its marching orders at this point . That came from the senate, Senate Republicans, judiciary chair Chuck Grassley after that original hearing in the markup was the one who said he would recommend to President Trump to open up. That was in consultation with majority leader mitch mcconnell. There so the Senate Republicans definitely are having their say, democrats say they are not involved while President Trump is the one technically making the order, theyre all in consultation. Navid, let me ask you this from your perspective as a former fbi agent, operative, whatever the appropriate title is. Where would you begin this investigation . If i were to ask you, youre part of this team that gets this task force or gets this assignment, whos the first person youre going to want to interview, where do you start, what are you looking for . Thats a very important point. Its important to understand the people who are going to do the investigation arent as we see are not the ones who are going to decide necessarily where they start and even necessarily what areas theyre going to cover. However, its important to understand when an investigator gets into a room with someone theyre interviewing, thats supposed to be organic questioning. We dont know what the subjects are going to say. If today the white house says you can only interview these four people and one of those four people mentions someone else or a supermarket or drinking, the door has to be opened. So its impossible to say that the scope is going to be the scope for tomorrow, for the scope until sunday. And i have to say that if i am Brett Kavanaugh, i probably would be weighing whether i would pull myself out of this. This is going to go in a lot of Different Directions and its impossible to control it by limiting the scope today to the scope tomorrow. This is something you and i have talked about in the past and this was coming up a lot at the time that the president was attacking the fbi and peoples willingness to speak to the fbi and whether or not it damages their credibility. You got the former fbi director james comey weighing in on the extended kavanaugh background probe. He was kind of critical in saying it shouldnt be limited to a week, but he writes once the fbi starts interviewing every witness knows the consequences, of course. The bureau wont have subpoena power, but most people will speak to them. Refusal to do so is its own kind of statement. What happens here . What happens if a witness refuses to speak to the fbi given the battering that the fbis taken under President Trump . The same thing that happened when Brett Kavanaugh refused to answer if he was willing to have an fbi investigation. I mean, this is a very powerful part of this. I have no doubt that the crux of what is happened in those investigating rooms will make it to the press eventually. Its going to be very difficult to close the door on this once it starts going. We dont know what those people are going to say. We dont know what other leads they may put out there, what other things, what other paths this many lead to. The investigators, theyre not going to present an opinion, theyre not making an assessment. This is meant to be a conversation where they literally record back what was asked, what was said, theyre not providing assessments to the credibility or through itfulness. But if someone volunteers a piece of information, you cant leave that unanswered, unresearched. Cynthia, let me ask you about investigators and their desire to interview Julia Swetnick because they are aware there are three different Sexual Assault accusations. Only Christine Blasey ford and deborah ramirez, though, we believe are on the fbis specific witness list. We know that senator Lindsey Graham has confirmed that agents are going to want to talk to mark judge about Julie Swetnicks allegations against kavanaugh. Take a listen. So Julie Swetnick will not be interviewed by the fbi . I think the allegation she makes is outrageous. Not one democrat mentioned it, but mark judge, whos named by ms. Swetnick as being a part of the gang rape will be asked if he saw this happen or see kavanaugh engage in it. So you got senator Lindsey Graham saying mark judge will be interviewed, but culture agents come up with a conclusive answer without necessarily speaking to Julie Swetnick herself . No. Look, ive done a lot of sex crimes cases in my day, and the first interview in a sex crimes case is the victim. So these three women should be interviewed and apparently dr. Ford has not been interviewed. And it demonstrated that they are not doing a real investigation, nor has ms. Swetnick or reached out to her lawyers. The reason why people are upset about this investigation is because the report from nbc news is they are not allowing the fbi to follow the leads as they go, it does not have an organic it is not a normal, organictype fbi investigation. If you learn one thing, youre not allowed under this system to go and follow up. Thats why everybodys upset because it is completely different than a normal fbi investigation. Additionally, we know that there are these five boys mentioned in judge kavanaughs calendar. All of them are not on the list. One of them, whose home the party may have happened on, is not on the list. Another one who was indicating dating dr. Ford, the reason she could do the identification is because she was dating a friend of his and bringing her to these parties. Hes an important person to be interviewed. The reason why its so shocking the fbi is being hamstrung like this is because they arent doing a real investigation. If this nbc news report is true, it is a sham and they are not doing it. And so the pressure will have to begin on monday to the Democratic Senators and particularly the republican senators who are looking to have this investigation, that they need to open it up and let the fbi do their job. And right now the reporting is that the fbi is not being allowed to do their job. I think a lot of people who just followed what happened over the course of this week, people in the open have actually pointed out a lot of inconsistencies in judge kavanaughs answers. Leigh ann, i know youre confirming the fbi wont question former classmates who have contradicted judge kavanaughs drinking habits. Watch this. Yes, we drank beer. My friends and i, boys and girls, yes, we drank beer. I liked beer. Still like beer. I think youve probably had beers, senator. Do you like beer, senator, or not . What do you like to drink . Yeah, we drank beer. Sometimes probably had too many beers. So that was a moment that stuck out to a lot of people who watched that hearing unfold. Leigh ann, how could an fbi agent look into potential false statements made by kavanaugh during the hearing if they cant question those who have publicly disputed his capitol hill testimony. Yeah, i mean, its an excellent question and how the fbi does its work is beyond my scope. But they do have kavanaugh under oath in that hearing. They have him under oath over 32 hours. They also conducted three phone calls with Judiciary Committee staff. It is a federal crime to lie to staff in those phone calls, and so they have a record. So if they do come across something that contradicts what he said, they have something to go back to and that can be a disqualifying factor for a lot of lawmakers if it comes out that he did lie. Does the fbi report back in realtime as they complete interviews and get information or at the end of this week does this wrap up with some kind of report or a specific form . Republican senators i talked to friday seem it would come in the form of a report and then they would go through the report and decide how to proceed. All right. Thank you very much. Stick around for me a little bit longer, please. The elevator encounter that may have changed everything when it comes to the kavanaugh nomination, the impact of this hashtag Metoo Movement. Im going to talk to congressman caroline malone. Let me tell you this. Im going to start at an 11. Im going to take it to about a 15 real quick. This is my speech. There are others like it, but this is mine. 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Clearly better money management. Reporter Supreme Court nominee skbauchb facing intense criticism for his partisan attacks on democrats in Thursdays Senate judiciary hearing. Heres kavanaugh in his own words of watch this. Theres been a frenzy on the left to come up with something, anything to block my confirmation. The behavior of several democratic members was an embarrassment, but at least it was a good, Old Fashioned attempt at borking. Crazy stuff, gangs, illegitimate children, fights on boats, all nonsense. This whole twoweek effort has been a calculated and orchestrated political hit fueled with parent pent up anger about President Trump. Millions of dollars in money from outside leftwing opposition groups. So many people are now calling into question comfys temperament and whether he can be a fair and impartial judge in the nations highest court. In a 60 minutes interview, chris coons describes kavanaugh as both aggressive and angry. There were some lines that he delivered that were sharper, more partisan, more this is the clintons paying me back, this is a democratic smear campaign, that i was surprised, struck to hear from a judicial nominee. Made you wonder about his suitability . In my case, yes, it made me wonder about his ability to serve on the bench. New York Democratic congresswoman caroline malone, one of those who stood silently during the judiciary meeting. I know its been a very busy week for you. Let me get your thoughts about as we mentioned you sat in on the hearing there. What did you make of the whole process and how it has unfolded . Do you see what has happened as an example our system and confirmation process is working or that it has failed . I would say that, first of all, its beyond hypocrisy how the republicans are acting. You have to remember that they held up for a year judge merrick garlands nomination by president obama. And now theyre trying to ram road this through. Greatfully flake stood up and said i wont vote until we have an investigation. If they havent done, so they would have rammed him through on a saturday. Im grateful to any senator that will do what the president said, have a free reign rain of the fbi. Why didnt they investigating to begin with . When credible charges came forward, and i understand that three credible women that are bringing charges, they should immediately be talked to, they should immediately investigate it. I would hope that all of the senators would want to work from the same set of facts in the case. Now its attack one back and forth. And i must say that judge kavanaugh, it sounded to me more like a Political Campaign or a political speech than a confirmation hearing. Attacking democrats, attacking people, it was to me unbelievable. Let me ask you this. In the event what were witnessing right now is purely theoretical, you have Sheldon Whitehouse and others who are saying that it doesnt stop here, that if they do take over the house in the midterms and Going Forward, they may want to impeach judge kavanaugh as Supreme Court justice. Listen to what he had to say . A lot of democrats say they dont believe Brett Kavanaugh told the truth when he went before the Judiciary Committee. If it turns out he does become Justice Kavanaugh, and youre chairman of the house Judiciary Committee, would you investigating him for possible impeachment. I would hope the senate would have done its job first. I would hope the fbi has a free hand over the next week to investigate and that certainly means to call in all the relevant witnesses. So new york congressman there. What do you think. Would you entertain the idea of beseeching Justice Kavanaugh based on his testimony to congress if, in fact, it turns out to not be accurate . Lets take one step at a time. He hasnt been confirmed, and i believe all these allegations should be researched by the fbi and there are now allegations of judge kavanaugh lying. That should be disqualified. 320 Million People live in the united states, surely the republicans can find someone who doesnt have a predatory attack repeated allegations against them. If he says he wants an investigation to clear his name and its all nonsense, well, lets have an investigation and find out if it is nonsense without any restrictions on what the fbi looks at. Everybodys saying that you need the records of mark judge when he worked at the store, it would tell you the time of it. There were a list of people. They havent even talked to the women. How disrespectful is that . They havent even talked to the women who brought the charges. Its beyond belief, really. I know you fought for years for womens issues and certainly for those that have been victims of sexual abuse and harassment. Put in context for us what this moment is when you have women confronting senators in elevators and impacting the way theyre vooufg this momeiewing. How do you see this in politics in our country . Being there it was very tense. I would say there was a great deal of suspense and lraw emotion. When she testified with such emotion and sincerity, i believe that it was heartbreaking to me because ive heard that same testimony from thousands of women who had experiences similar to hers, who felt if they told anyone they would be victimized again, they would be punished, they would be laughed at. Do you believe dr. Ford . Yes, i do. I completely believe her, and i believe the women coming to congress and speaking out. Theyre saying do something. We need something stronger than metoo. We actually need laws that work. We need to hold people accountable. I think we should pass a law that every single credible allegation against a Supreme Court nominee should be investigated. This is the highest court. Its tremendously important. Its almost disturbing that its not investigated. It should be part of the approach. It should be part of the law. Congresswoman, always appreciate your time. Tunc for treating this seriously. Thank you. Thank you so much. Thanks for coming on. A lot of focus on the metoo moment. This morning Kellyanne Conway made this personal disclosure. I feel very empathetic for victims of Sexual Assault and Sexual Harassment and rape. That im a victim of Sexual Assault. I dont expect judge kavanaugh or jake tapper or jeff flake or anybody to be held responsible for that. You have to be responsible for our own conduct. We do treat people differently who are either the victims or the perpetrators of this based on their politics now and based on their gender. That is a huge mistake. For more on all this, im joined by liz mayor and gop strategist karen desoto. And allen blichman. First of all, my heart goes out to her. I dont know what her personal story is. Im sure there will be a lot of people who are inquiring about that. Its really up to her whether she shares that or not. Its up to her as it is with anyone whos a victim and a survivor to figure out how much they want to talk about it. But my heart goes out to her. Whatever one thinks about Brett Kavanaugh and what he did or didnt do, i think its fair to say that this week and the subject matter at hand has managed to drudge up a lot of deeply unpleasant and painful memories for a lot of people nationwide. Shes correct to say not just women also. There are many men who are victims of Sexual Assault and victims of rape whove been watching this process closely. Theyll come down on different political sides on many cases, but my heart really goes out to her. As all of ours does as well. We should note that anytime a politician or anyone comes out with that kind of revelation, you actually politics aside and express that. Karen, i know that the rape abuse and Incest National network also known as rain notes that the national Sexual Assault hot line saw a 147 spike in calls on thursday alone. That was the day that dr. Ford spoke about her experience. What do you think the impact of these types of proceedings on Sexual Assault victims and telling their stories is having on our country . Amon, thats an interesting question because as a professor of advocate of women oppressed from Sexual Assaults, the one idea thats important is the idea of reporting, reporting as soon as you can, when you can, when you feel you can. So the question is, are these hearings going to put women in a position less embarrassed, less shameful and more likely to report after seeing ford . I dont know what the answer to that is, but we do because of rain we know its being reported more or at least its being discussed. So if the positive impact out of that circus, and it really was a circus because i think putting a Sexual Assault or Sexual Misconduct survivor in an atmosphere like that is really very distressing and very disturbing for all of us to watch. So being placed in a situation for the first time in that kind of an arena i think is really just the process needs to be looked at in the advice and consent in this judicial context. Im going to get to you in a second, professor, but liz, weigh in on that point as well. What do you make of the fact we saw this surge of women coming forward with their own reports, and how critical is it to see someone like dr. Ford come and testify openly if public for the whole country and the whole world to see . Look, i think its very important. This is one of the reasons that i thought it was important for her to publicly testify in front of the committee. There are a lot of people who in the wake of Metoo Movement have really been grappling with experiences theyve had that have been causing them significant emotional and psychological problems for many, many years now. And i think that her stepping up and telling her story has actually given people an opening to go back and to try to deal with some of the things theyve been suppressing or wash away for many years. So i think thats constructive. I think the issue we have now, of course, is what is going to happen moving forward with the Supreme Court nomination. I think its great that the fbi is looking into this. I dont know exactly what theyre going to find because the reality is this is a long time ago. There arent a lot of people other than the three people allegedly involved who are likely to remember it. So there are a lot of questions that remain. These Kavanaugh Hearings are being described as unprecedented. How do you think that this will be viewed historically . When we look back at this chapter in american politics, enterprise if he is confirmed onto the high court . This process is of profound. And outrageously partisan political way as donald trump has done, apparently hes even meddles in the fbi investigation. Secondly, it undermines the independence of the Supreme Court itself internally. We are now threatening to put on the Supreme Court an overt partisan warrior, someone who blamed his plight on the democrats and on the clintons, whos promised what goes around comes around. You have to go back to the 1830s to find a precedent when president Andrew Jackson put his political operative, roger tawny, on the Supreme Court, and, of course, tawny was the one who gave us the red scott decision that ruled that slaves were property with no rights, even if they fled to free states. Finally, we are threatening to put on the Supreme Court someone whos made it clear that he is going to rubber stamp whatever executive power the president assumes undermining fundamental checks and balances. The stakes couldnt be any higher. Shot out to American University in d. C. Liz, im going to ask to you stick around for us a little bit longer. Coming up, kavanaugh in the battle of the bases. Rallying his voters at a West Virginia rally, a rally where he also announced the new love of his life. I was really being tough and so was he. We go back and forth. And then we fell in love, okay . New york city really. He wrote me beautiful letters. And theyre great letters. We fell in love. Got directions to the nightclub here. And if you get lost, just hit me on the old horn. Man toms my best friend, but ever since he bought a new house. Tom its a 10 cover . Oh, okay. Didnt see that on the website. Hes been acting more and more like his dad. 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They dont care how they get it. You see it happening before your eyes. That was President Trump there using the kavanaugh confirmation fight as a rallying cry for Republican Voters last night in West Virginia. The stakes as you can imagine cant be any higher. Its been fraught of emotion and controversy. Joining me now the david corn, msnbc political creditor and Washington Bureau chief for mother jones. Back with me, Leigh Ann Caldwell and laiz mayor. In what scenario can it become a mobilizing factor for the gop . You know, im not sure republicans are trying to spin that for the last couple days that this would be good for them. I think it may mostly depend on how things end up. If kavanaugh gets on the bench, they dont have much to complain about. They got who they wanted despite serious allegations, despite the serious case that he lied, that he lied about several different important items during his testimony. Now, if for some reason he doesnt get on, well, then maybe you can make an argument that that will tick off republicans and drive them to the voting booths. But i think a lot of people who care about this to begin with are already the type of people who would be voting to support trump. Im not sure its going to get those sort of in the middle republicans voters to rush to ballot box, particularly women who have witnessed this event over the past week. If they dont have a clear view, we would have mixed views about what happened. While some may say it energizes the gop, it also energized democrats to go out and vote. The president sent a tweet where he basically argues democrats in congress are already raising questions about the time and the scope of this fbi Kavanaugh Investigation. What is the democratic game plan if this new background probe on kavanaugh doesnt come up with anything of substance or significance . Well, amon, whats going to happen is they will proceed to vote. Most of the democrats were already united against kavanaugh. Theres just two outstanding democrats, most notely, these red state democrats of heitkamp and joe mansichin. They are from states who like trump the most. Democrats are united against kavanaugh, most republicans are united behind kavanaugh. So theres just, you know, a few senators who are still left out there hanging in the balance. You have susan collins, Lisa Murkowski, and these two redstate democrats. Politically speaking, people are saying theyre not really sure how this is going to play out. The right and the left both say theyre in agreement that this is good for their bases to energize the base, but remember, kavanaugh is the most unpopular Supreme Court nominee since nbc news started polling in 2005 and that was before these allegations came out, amon. Interesting. Liz, to that point leigh ann was talking about National Weather service demeanor, his partisanship, the accusations he made this was part of the some clinton conspiracy, did he cross a line for some within the Republican Party who say, you know what, regardless of what comes out of this fbi investigation, he just doesnt have the temperament to be on the Supreme Court, and hes also too partisan with the comments that he made in his Opening Statements. I think he did. The partisanship ill leave to one side, but august the judgment, let me make an argument ive been making with people privately that seems to be holding a lot of weight. Judge kavanaugh, one of his correspond defining features is supposed to be a very, very devout catholic. Devout catholics have a hard time dealing with Death Penalty cases. Hes going to be the last person who says live or die. Literally thats whats going to happen. Heres my question to anybody out there whos on the fence. When you look at his performance on thursday, everybody can understand how he would have been as upset as he was, but do you want someone who responds emotionally like that when theyre under intense pressure making life and death decisions . I would argue you do not. And for that reason, that is why if i were in the senate, i would be voting against him and it wouldnt matter what the fbi investigation showed. I suspect for that reason also that is part of why susan collins, Lisa Murkowski and jeff flake did advance him out of committee but could still change his mind. I suspect thats a lot of the reason why he does not have these votes locked down right now. His performance may have rallied donald trump, but i doubt donald trump like the crying portion. But i think its a problem. A lot of people have been speculating that his Opening Statement was, in fact, just for President Trump and nobody else. Liz and leigh ann, thank you very much. 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Com. Not long ago, ronda started here. And then, more jobs began to appear. These techs in a lab. This builder in a hardhat. The welders and electricians who do all of that. The diner staffed up cause they all needed lunch. Teachers. Doctors. Jobs grew a bunch. What started with one job spread all around. Because each job in energy creates many more in this town. Energy lives here. President trump on friday ordered the fbi to conduct a new investigation into Brett Kavanaugh and trump is so serious he said the fbi should probably just drop Everything Else and only investigate this one thing. Saturday night live there taking a joke there at the Kavanaugh Hearing and Background Investigation saying it could be serving as a political shield for Deputy Attorney general. Rod rose enstenstein was on sch to have his meeting with the president. But the press secretary hinted that meeting could be delayed again. The meeting follows a New York Times report citing source whos claimed rosenstein suggested recording the president and even discussed envoeking the 25th amendment in efforts to remove donald trump from office. Joining me once again, cynthia oxany, mother jones d. C. Bureau chief and political contributor. And former fbi act. Great to have you all back us with. David, let me begin with you. Did the Kavanaugh Hearing save Rod Rosensteins job when you think about everything that transpired this week . I have to say, i was a little surprised that trump didnt try to layer on another layer of chaos by Going Forward with the meeting that was scheduled on the same day as spencchristine s testimony. He said well deal this w. This next week and that will be in the middle of the storm about the investigation, whether it is preceding properly or not. Remember, Rod Rosenstein does oversee the fbi here. He could be involved. And, you know, trump showed a certain amount of discipline this week and maybe hell show it next week as well. And im just half betting that the blood letting will happen after the election. And at that point, you know, sessions, rosenstein and anybody else, you know, could look a little bit like a scene out of godfather 2. The list is long when you think about it, david. The long term risk for rosenstein is obviously still there. If the Kavanaugh Investigation starts to go badly for the white house as can you imagine, do you think that we could see the president firing rosenstein as a distraction opening yet another front for this white house in terms of chaos and political crisis . I do not think so. And heres why. I think hell find some other distraction. Not this one. Rosenstein is a very dangerous witness for him. Remember, rosenstein when they decided they wanted to fire comey, the president had rosenstein write him a memo that said the reason why were firing comey is because of the manner in which he handled the clinton email scandal. And that was the storty for a couple days. And then the president came out and admitted to lester holt at nbc news, no, no, that actually wasnt why i did it. I did it for the russia investigation. Which he confirmed in another conversation that he had in the white house with the russian ambassador. So now hes in a position that rosenstein is able to could flip on him and could go against him in the discussion about why comey was fired and exactly what the conversations were. Thats very dangerous position for him. And my hunch is he originally wanted to fire rosenstein because he didnt like this idea of the taping upon reflection he realized the danger to himself. So thats why i dont think hell do that. Thats a very interesting point. Yeah. Let me get your thoughts really quickly. Does all of this with judge kavanaugh help the Mueller Investigation in that it takes the spotlight off of him for a little bit . Maybe even draws the president s attention away from it whether it is on twitter or Public Comments . You know, i got to say that i think the Kavanaugh Hearing and the trump russia investigation, i think its hurting the institutions. All the names we hear, the names that we dont hear, the line agents that are working this, the people that are doing the Background Investigation, these are the junior line agents. The junior special agents. I think that theyre probably concerned that anything that they do potentially could be viewed in the prism of politics and could potentially affect their career. So that damage has been done. I think that, you know, its just a dangerous path to go down. Thats a very valid point as well. Guys, thank you so much for joining us this sunday. Well be right back. Well be ri. 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