Other places. Probably a few from greece in all fairness. None from greece so far. Youre lucky. But we have a lot of people right now in prison. Isis fighters that are tough fighters, and they are where they should be, i think weve done a fantastic job, but eventually we want to be able to let iraq run its own affairs and thats very important. At some point we want to get unite. This is not the right point. Weve spent a tremendous amount of money on building airports and building its one of the largest embassies we have in the world, and we want to be reimbursed for the various costs we have had. And theyre very significant. But well work something out. I talk sanctions, im only talking sanctions if were not treated with respect. We have to be treated with respect. We deserve ill tell you what. With what we did with what excuse me, wait much wait, wait, wait. One second. With what we did with isis, and this was done during my administration, because it was a mess before we got here. With what we did with isis, weve done the middle east and a lot of other countries a tremendous favor. Yeah, go ahead. Turkish propagations in india, greece and are you waiting to talk to your friend we are talking to him, and were talking to when you talk about libya, were discussing it with president erdogan and many other countries. I just spoke with the chancellor of germany, i talked with angela. Well be talking to russia, theyre involved. A lot of countries are involved with respect to libya. Its a mess but there are a lot of countries, and they want to know where we stand. They do know where we stand. We have meetings set up, and were going to see if we can work out a plan for piece. I think its important. Mr. President , one point on this issue. I think it is important to it causes great concern of instability in a region thats already in trouble. Were working to make sure these tensions are not put in place. Were very much looking forward to your support on this issue. Mr. President. The Iraqi Government says it expects u. S. Forces to leave the country after the letter it received by mistake yesterday, what do you say to the Iraqi Government about the possibility of u. S. Forces leaving based on that laer . Well, i dont know what i think about that letter. The letter was sent, i understand it was an unsigned letter, i dont know if that letter was a hoax or was it unsigned or what . That wasnt intended. The Iraqi Government is saying theyre taking you at your word its the worst thing that can happen to iraq. That would mean that iran would have a much bigger foothold. The people of iraq dont want to see iran running the country, that i can tell you. Well see how it all works out, i know its going to work out well for us. At some point we want to be able to get out, we want to bring our soldiers back home. We will have tremendous report from the people of iraq. Appreciating what weve done. They dont want to see iran go into iraq, theyre neighbors and over a period of years something will happen. Well see what that is. What we said yesterday, i dont know about it, what is that, mike, what exactly it was a draft letter that was a draft unsigned . Unsigned. And the media knew . The iraqi people understand were there to help them stand up to sov earningty. The iraqi people were not happy when the suggestion was made that we were thinking about leaving at some point. At some point we will want to leave. Steve, go ahead. Steve . Are you going to yeah, whatever it is, its a hoax, the impeachment is a big hoax, its become a laughing stock all over the world. There was nothing done wrong. The two articles that were sent are not even serious, and by the way, theyre not a crime. The republicans voted approximately 196 to 0, it was never meant to be partisan. Its turned out to be a totally partisan hoax, witch hunt and frankly, its been going on from before i came down the escalator with our great first lady. This has gone on for three years. And probably longer than that, it will be very interesting when the final tabulation is set and when the facts are released, a lot of people are working on those facts right now, its a big deal. In many ways, its the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on our country. Its one of the great hoaxs ever. It started with an illegal document that turned out to be false. The fake document that you know so well, the dossier as they call it, and it went on from there. It was set up by a bunch of dirty cops and others, working with the dnc, working with the democrats. And from the day i ran, from the day i was elected and probably before that substantially, not probably. If you look at the insurance policy, the insurance policy was long before that. That means before i ever got elected, they were working on something thats so illegal. So i assume that will be announced at some point into the future, and hopefully not too far into the future. And the impeachment story is its just a continuation of it really is a shame that we cant focus on all of the things. You know, we talked today about iran, iraq, economic development. We have the greatest stock market weve ever had in the history of our country. The greatest economy weve ever had in the history of our country. Were setting records, unemployment records, employment records, were going to have almost 160 Million People working. And we have to work on this partisan scam is really a shame, that we have to take time is a shame. All right. Thats about it. Mr. President , one more on a different topic. Go ahead. Will you be okay if john bolton testifies . He indicated yesterday he would if he is subpoenaed . That will be up to the lawyers, the senate, and well see how they feel. He would know nothing about what were talking about, because if you know, the Ukrainian Government came out with a strong statement, no pressure, no anything. Thats from the potts. Thats from the president of ukraine. The foreign minister came out with a statement that was equally as strong. And frankly, if you look at it, and you look at everything, all they have to do is read the transcripts, you take a look, not just at one, you take a look at two transcripts, they were absolutely perfect, there was nothing done wrong, there was no false statement, and its crazy that its gotten to a point where you look ukraine, the president of ukraine said there was no pressure whatsoever. There was no pressure in his country whatsoever. And by the way, in terms of the money, it got there two or three weeks ahead of schedule. Long before it was supposed to be there. There was absolutely nothing done wrong. The one thing i look at is corruption, and the other thing i look at is, why isnt france and why isnt germany, and why isnt greece why arent these countries paying, why is it always the United States that has to pay, i said that very strongly, its in the transcript, the press doesnt cover it, why is it that the United States pays and it affects europe far more than it affects the United States. Why isnt it that france, germany and all of those countries in europe that are so strongly affected. Why arent they paying, why is it always us . Thats one question. The other question is always about corruption. Were sending all of this money. Where is it going . Where is it going . And the president , by the way, got elected on anticorruption. And i think hes going to do a great job. I appreciated his statement, hes made it many times, no pressure whatsoever. Thank you all very much. Thank you, everybody. Thank you, guys. Mr. President lets go, were leaving. Keep moving. Lets go. Press, lets go. Press, lets go. Do you agree with recommend jail time i dont know. I dont know. I didnt look at it. Youre just telling me for the first time. Press, lets go. That is the president of the United States with the greek prime minister, we got to do a little Fact Checking here, the president continues to say this is the greatest economy in the history of the United States, factually untrue. He also has this thing about the lowest Unemployment Rate and highest employment rate. In theory, thats like box office receipts, this is the biggest opening weekend, its because ticket prices are higher, and theres more theaters. Its that nonsense the president wouldnt do, because it would allow me to continue with the news. He talked about the impeachment as the greatest hoax ever perpetrated on a president , and it was set up by dirty cops, a big hoax, not serious and not a crime. However, in and amongst all of that stuff the president was saying, there were references to things we need to talk about, including the impeachment, and including iran and the Decision Making around iran, and bombing cultural sites and whether it was legal. I want to have that discussion with some people i can trust not to have to be fact checked, joining me now is Hallie Jackson as well as Karen Greenberg. Director on the center of National Security. Fordham law school wrote an article about this. Steven cook, a senior fellow on middle east studies. Hes the author of false done, and violence in the new middle east. These are the people i rely pong to make sense of this stuff. Hallie, having dispensed with the Fact Checking now, there were real questions in there about iran. What the president is thinking, what hes ready for. And how he came to his decisions. What did you parse . What did you take from what you heard the president say . And thats a great way to phrase it, ali. Often with this president , its what he says and what you think hes meaning with what he says much and so heres what i took away from that, first of all, if anybody was expecting anything other than a full throated defense of the soleimani strike, they did not get it. It would be shocking if it came. The president got back up from the aids in the room who were giving him that when it came to questions about the messy Defense Department letter, draft letter that was mistakenly released to the iraq okays and has created international turmoil. The president backed off somewhat of his threat to go after cultural sites in iran. One is the comments from defense secretary mark esper saying that would be a violation of International Law. And the other was secretary of state mike pompeo virtually echoing that word for word, saying he doesnt believe the president would give the United States an illegal order both from esper and pompeo. That message seems to have gotten through to President Trump. Although it is clearly something you get the impression he wishes had been on the table. They can do bad things to us, with no bounds, no rules. Okay from President Trump. He also, i think hes trying to message to americans, why they went after soleimani in the first place. We saw this on friday, and those two on camera events. Immediately after the strike happened when the president came out and explained why he did what he did. Casting soleimani as a monster was another notable highlight from that discussion. This is the first time reporters have been able to ask questions of the president in this kind of setting. He did not reveal anything more about the intelligence assessment behind the strike here, that is one of the key questions lawmakers have, we are within an hour of so of the gang of eight. And that all hands on deck briefing tomorrow. That is going to be a lingering question out there, im curious to see what else we might hear from that later on. Let me ask you about this, things are so upside down our views would be excused for not remembering how these things are supposed to go. Theres an authorization for the use of military force, there are rules that say within 48 hours of a strike, on either side of it, Congress Needs to be informed of it, of this. Theres a gang of 8 which are the leaders from the senate and the house, and the leaders and the ranking members of the intelligence committees. How usual or unusual has the process been so far with respect to the strike that killed soleimani, and congresss ability to play the role its supposed to play . If youre talking about just the strike that killed soleimani, ali, everyone the consistency within the trump era, its been somewhat consistent, if you go black and look at the strike that led to the death of al baghdadi last fall. You saw a similar pattern, the Trump Administration taking action, the Trump Administration issuing an order for a strike. He did not tell House Speaker nancy pelosi. That came up again this time, in that sense, its somewhat similar to what we saw from the president last time. If you look at the context of past president s and the way history has worked. Congress wants to be notified when things like this happen. Feel because they have they should be able to have a say in this. That said, there are critics that point to the fact that over time president bush, president obama, now President Trump. Congress has ceded some of the authority they would have had to be a check on the executive branch. That right now is not new new in the Trump Administration, youre seeing it play out in this political moment were in. Thank you for that. Thank you. Karen, you wrote an article about this, there are rules and there are rules for a reason. There are people who say some of these people who we kill and we target are bad folks and its better for the world when we get rid of them. There are reasons why the executive has to follow certain rules. They have rights to defend the homeland. The article that members of congress use, we have rules you have to follow them, and we have to prove what this imminent threat was that required soleimani to be taken out. Prior precedents did have the opportunity to take out soleimani, and they judged the cost benefit analysis wasnt there for them. Right, there are two things that are going on here. Whats the law, whats the policy and the law . And the other thing is, what are the considerations that need to be addressed prior to any decision to attack or not attack. What youre seeing here is, a way in which the custom of having to brief congress has been violated. And what the real issue here is the fact that general soleimani was the part of the state apparatus. He was the top general in the state. Different from bin laden, different from al baghdadly . Very different. And if you think about the way weve designed our law and policy its been dependent on this nonstate actor contest. We crossed a light. That line does implicate these other considerations. What is an imminent attack. This is a discussion that we did not have under obama in a public way as we should have. There was a lot of criticism that meant days, months. Habitually does this someone who is able to carry out lethal attacks, what is imminence. That is where we are right now. Do we want to cross this threshold. Congress is concerned about this. The reason for so much of this, is what were seeing now, the chaos, the disinformation were getting from inside the National Security apparatus, what was the fall on, what were the plans . All of that matters. The reason is not just to tether the president in terms of what he can do. But to create a situation where there is some kind of debate and not just a decree. And now were in trouble and you see it. Steve, were 18 years in the degree of involvement in the middle east that there are Many Americans that never supported it. Some who feel that we have not developed adequate strategies. Something i often ask you, you and i are often on tv after something bad has happened in the world. This guy was a monster, he was a terrorist, the world is a better place with Qassem Soleimani gone. Is it more or less stable in a part of the world that we have struggled with instability in americas role in creating instability. They want to be able to say that soleimani was among the worst people in the middle east. That is true, they want to end the discussion there. A problem with this administration from the beginning has been that they havent appreciated that with every one of their actions, their adversaries are going to have a reing action. And the strike against soleimani was a dramatic step and dramatic escalation. There is going to be a retaliation from the iranians, we dont know what its going to be, where its going to come from. It will be something that targets either americans abroad or american interests somewhere this would suggest that at least the short run, things are less stable before they were before soleimanis killing. Were often talking about bad things that are happening. I want to bring in ali arouzi joining us from tehran. When we talk about the reaction, the type of reactions. We had a map up there showing where u. S. Troops are in the middle east. Where iran is, iran is not simply a country where the reaction emen atsz from tehran in a governmental form. He was an unusual being in that he was an actual general in the quds force. He steered the activities, some of the proxy activities of noniranian groups in lebanon in yemen in syria, although iraq, all through the middle east. When you talk, when they are talking about a reaction coming out of iran, as a result of this, what kind of reaction are we talking about . A government led reaction. Hamas or jihad, what are we talking about . Well, we could we dont know at this stage, we could be talking about one of them or all of them, i mean, as you mentioned, soleimani had kul cultivated a wide network of militias across this region. He was a cultish figure amongst them. Thats what made iran powerful. Those militias are able to strike at the United States assets they have across this region. Theyve always said they are within immediate striking distance of them. But soleimani was a jain of irans armed forces and that is an indication here that were getting that there could be a strike from irans actual armed forces, to send a very clear message to the United States that iran itself can strike back, and it doesnt have to rely on its proxies to do that. This is a very dangerous and confusing situation as to how and where and in what form iran will strike back. Those we heard some interesting reports today from hezbollah, which was one of the Shiite Militia groups, under the patronage of iran. They were the guys that attacked the u. S. Embassy that sparked off this whole crisis. They said, were waiting for irans actual military to strike u. S. Assets even then were going to go into motion. So this seems to be a multilayered attack thats being talked about from various different groups, the head of hezbollah. Interestingly he said, they are not looking to attack u. S. Diplomatic posts or civilians in any form like that. Which they have done before. This is not going to be some sort of terrorist attack on civilians, this is going to be a legitimate strike against the United States. This is war is basically what theyre saying, and that was drilled home today at Qassem Soleimanis funeral, by the head of the irgc. He gave a fiery, angry speech. He said, have no doubt in your minds that america is going to suffer a very severe blow. And that was followed up with another warning. If america strikes back after iran takes retaliation for soleimanis killing, iran will hit where america loves most, israel. Israel is getting thrown into the hits. This is threatening to engulf this entire region, including israel and some kind of a conflict that is very unpredictable. Emotions here in iran are running really high. A large Cross Section of this country expects some sort of relatet retribution for the death of soleimani. Its hard not to see this happening. Iran on a daily basis is saying that all u. S. Troops have to be expelled from this area. More u. S. Troops are coming as iran is saying that. The u. S. Is saying theyre not going to quit. Soleimanis main goal was to get the u. S. Out of iraq, these are all building up to be a very dangerous situation. Just to give you have a highlight of how high passions are running in this country. At Qassem Soleimanis funeral today in his hometown, people went crazy there trying to get a glimpse of his coffin, trying to touch his coffin, so they have an item of clothing that is worn by soleimani. On our last live hit i told you 50 people have died. Yeah. Thats now gone up to 78 people, including children. Theres a lot of tension and inflamed passions in this country right now. People are worried about whats going to come next. Ali arouzi was talking about the troops in the middle east. We have a number of troops in kuwait as of friday night, we were deploying 3500 members of the 82nd airborne to the 13,000 that are currently in kuwait. Iraqs looking for the soldiers to leave, were sending more in. There are massive interNational Security issues, then there is an important legal issue in the United States. I think its important for americans to understand regardless of whether or not you think theres going to be a terrorist attack on the United States, what keeps you up at night . What im worried about is that the declaration of war will come almost like this, impulsively without strategic concerns, and also, legal concerns, and the reason im worried about that, is that right now, the United States still has the post 9 11 dhorgs for the use of military force. Which has been extended and expanded to cover more and more geographical areas. To say, these are terrorist related groups, terrorists who were tied to 911. Youll see these ways in which theyre trying to say this is terrorism, we have the ability to go against terrorists. It is true. But this is a different ilk. This is a nation state. This is not just a nonstate terrorist group. My worry is, the authorization for use of military force will be used to say, its sort of carte branlanche which is where started in the white house before it went to congress. That is a major concern about what will happen now. Its up to congress to make sure it does not happen. Well keep a close eye on that. Congress is going to be believed at least the gang of 8 i was going to check with my executive producer. Theyre getting a briefing. This is part of the process, theyre supposed to be briefed. They will be briefed. Ali arouzi, Karen Greenberg and steven cook im deeply indebted to the three of you for helping us understand what is a complicated and confusing issue. President trump has threatened to target irans beloved cultural site. Despite the fact that doing so would be a war crime. Were going to talk to daniel weisz about why we dont target cultural sites. And thats an intesh national agreement. Ls from the enamel. I like to recommend pronamel to my patients. 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As i said yesterday, it was interesting, theyre allowed to kill our people, maim our people theyre allowed to blow up everything we have. And theres nothing that stops them, and we are according to various laws, supposed to be very careful with their cultural heritage. You know what, if thats what the law is, i i like to obey the law. They blow up our people, and we have to be gentle with their cultural institutions, but im okay with it. Theyre not allowed to blow up our people theyre not allowed to do those kinds of things. Hes con naturing what people might do with what International Law says people are allowed to do. President trump issued this warning on twitter saying 9 United States has targeted 52 iranian sites saying that is representing the 52 hostages taken by iran years ago. He followed up with reporters on air force one saying, theyre allowed to dill our people, torture and maim our people and were not allowed to touch their cultural sites. Just to be clear, no ones allowed to do these things no ones allowed to kill our people, allowed to torture and maim our people. What are the laws governing the targeting of cultural sites. Article 4 states that members of the agreement shall refrain from any act directed by way of reprisal against cultural property. It is prohibited to commit any acts of hostility toward an historic monument. In 2017 the United NationsSecurity Council con demented the destruction of religious sites in iraq and syria by terrorist organizations including isis, and the world joined them in that. Iran has 24 sites designated by the Cultural Organization as World Heritage sites. The 22 cultural sites include the historic complex which dates back to 500 b. C. , i want to talk about this it is important the way we think about International Laws. Joining me now is daniel weiss. One of our fantastic art institutions here in new york. Its home to thousands of artifacts dating back many years. We saw the tail ban destroying those ancient buddhist structures. We generally have a global agreement that is not partisan. Thats not what war is supposed to be, war is a terrible thing, but it has a few rules attached to it. And destroy iing cultural sitess not one of them. One of the areas where the world comes together is our shared civilization. People go to iraq when they have opportunities to to visit cultural sites. It is fundamentally what unites us as human beings. To destroy those things is to destroy peoples identity, heritage and its inexcusable. If you believe that soleimani is a dangerous guy that needed to be taken out, thats a matter for debait. And a lot of people will agree with that, why would you target the moosing. Youre punishing people that arent responsible for the crime. I agree. Acrossed span of history there have been leaders that have deng that, because they want to destroy their heritage, their sense of selfs. Thats a different kind of proposition, and its not one the United States in a civilized nation should be engaging in. In our president , im glad he said he wants to obey the laws, i apiate heg that. The defense secretary and secretary of state have both said so. The two people who might have something to do with President Trumps orders on destroying culture at sites, lets play what they had to say. Im fully confident that the commander in chief will not give us an illegal order. The military will obey the laws of armed conflict. Every target thats being reviewed, every effort thats being made will always be decided within the International Rules of law. What do you think what do they get from targeting cultural sites. We have agreement. Anyone whos been into a museum, understands this is how we understand each other. I agree. The world understands in fundamental ways the value and importance of shared cultural heritage. This is why several hundred people visit the metropolitan museum every year. I think one of the responses that came from President Trumps statement thats so heartening is the whole world stood up and said, this is outrageous. Museums said it, government leaders said it from around the world. Everyone does understand how important this is. When we talk about isis destruction or taliban destruction. The world came together the same way on that kind of stuff, right . When we saw aleppo or palmyra, we took the view that thats barbaric, thats not civilized war. The world saw that the destruction of palmyra and other locations was an extreme act of barbarism. I think that was a heartening thing, that was a heartening thing to see now, how people have come forward to speak out against this. If we seek to live together and learn to work together. It will be in understanding of our shared humanity. Which is part of the role that museums like yours play. 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Im proud to be a part of aag, i trust em, i think you can too. Senate Republican Leaders say they have the votes to move forward with President Trumps impeachment trial. We have the votes once the impeachment trial has gng to pass a resolution essentially the same very similar to the 1000 vote in the clinton trial which sets up as you may recall what could best be described as a phase one. The arguments from the prosecution, the defense and then a period of written questions. He says hes getting ready to lay out the rules for the trial, which would allow lawmakers to hear arguments, but decide on witnesses later. Democrats have been demanding testimony from witnesses. The proposed format echos the format of the clinton impeachment trial, for more on how that trial could foreshad go the next couple months im joined by bill mccullom who was the impeachment manager during the senate trial of bill clinton. Thank you for being with us. Letts talk about this, mcconnell has said a few times there have been some inconsistencies on what he said. He has basically said he wants to mimic the methodology of how the trial came to be in the clinton trial. What do you think he means by that. Its a phase process. The senate did not formally vote whether we could have witnesses. We presented the case first, the managers went over, we spent a couple days, the president s attorneys had time to present their opposing views. And made the opening arguments. There was a period of time in which we were allowed to go and take depositions of certain key people that could be witnesses which wound up being what was used and the vote took place in that period of time with respect to whether we got to have live witnesses on the floor or not. Which is what we wanted, we wanted to bring Monica Lewinsky and several other witnesses to the floor of the house, and we were never permitted to do that. How does this work legally . You present your cases. And then decisions are made about witnesses . Because the average person like me wouldnt be familiar with this. First of all, the senate trial of an impeachment is not anything defined by law, its defined by the rules they set up, the senate has complete discretion. The chief justice in our case found that out when he proposed rules that we were quickly rejected by the senators. They want to do their own thing. If youre at home watching this and youve been watching television on a famous crime show, youre not going to see the same procedure. You have to pick the jury, we already have the jury. Then you would have Opening Statements. This is not too far removed from the Opening Statements part of this, we would know who we want to call as witnesses, we would be able to examine each side and prepare those witnesses for trial. They would be live. We got to meet with Monica Lewinsky one time. I set that meeting up at the mayflower hotel. While the trial was in progress. We anticipated meeting with her two or three more times because she would be a hostile witness. Normally you would get a chance to prepare the witness meet with them several times, know what theyre going to say, then take their deposition and bring them live to the actual appearance. That did not happen for us. Given that youre a republican one would assume there was an outcome you wished that didnt end up happening because of the final vote in the trial. Thats true. Do you feel the process was fair . Did you leave that process not with the outcome you wanted but the process played out fairly . I thought the senators listened with an open mind to us there was a point in time where they became per situated by the arguments against us, and i think Monica Lewinskys deposition did not allow the give and take in the crossexamination. I was told afterwards they either didnt believe her or they didnt believe president clinton was trying to persuade her to lie. She had indicated he was telling her what to say. Even if he didnt say i i want lie to your deposition. It wasnt fair. We didnt have the opportunity to have live witnesses where the jury in this case, the senators, could judge for themselves the impact of that witness. She was a very a very powerful witness in person and in this case she was not able to be in person and i think that made a lot of difference. I dont know if it made the difference in the final outcome but i think it could have. So given that way of thinking, do you believe that de facto witnesses should be allowed in this trial of donald trump . Well i think they should unless the senators have made up their minds theyre going to grant a motion to dismiss without any witnesses in that sense. That is what senator bird proposed in our trial and it came after we made our opening arguments, after the president s attorneys had made their case. And it came before we presented our witnesses. So i really think that it was it could happen that way. But my preference would be for witnesses. I must admit im a little biased by my experience and it is not a partisan thing at all. But i think being allowed each side should be allowed to present witnesses in this case. But not many. Maybe limit those. But i think fairness would say they should be allowed to present live witnesses for a limited period of time under the rules the senate sets up. Thank you, bill mccollum, one of the bill clinton impeachment managers. Thank you. Last year 228 Police Officers died by suicide. More than those who died in the line of duty and the highest numbers reported yet. What is behind the statistics coming up. Youre watching msnbc. Introducing even more value from fidelity. 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According to a massachusetts based nonprofit called blue help, at least 228 Police Officers died by suicide in 2019. That is higher than the number killed in the line of duty. The cofounder of blue help told usa today, quote, 132 officers were killed in the line of duty in 2019, data that includes debts due to 9 11 illnesses and heart attacks but the actual number of officer deaths by suicide is likely higher because it only includes cases in which the family voluntarily provides information. Joining me now ari melber who has done some extensive reporting on this. What do you make of this. This is something we do here at msnbc at the end of the year, as sad as it is, and look at portraits of officers in the line of duty by several and killed by guns is 49 and that is down and what we put together with the Law Enforcement memorial fund, faces of every officer around the country died doing their job. Tonight on the beat im speaking to manpreet singe who knew one of the officers. Lets take a look at that. If hes remembered as the selfless servant, that is the most touching thing left behind for his legacy. Shes speaking about sandeep taliwell the first sikh officer to wear his religious garb on duty and was a trail blazer showing him in the background playing with kids and as we talked to his family about his life and this is someone who in addition to being an officer would take his Vacation Time and do volunteer work on behalf of people affected by the hurricane. And that is officers killed in the line of duty and we have more. The suicide story is so important. It is striking to see that the deaths by suicide are even higher than the risk we associate with police work with the homicides and that is largely because of the stress, the trauma, ptsd and resistance getting the help they need. Is that solvable . Living in new york, it feels like weve seen more stories of Police Taking their own lives . I dont know how you solve all of it. Partly because you have multiple things there like access to guns which in the case of Law Enforcement officers it will stay. It is different than guns from an area with people who may not need them for their job. At a practical level. But what we saw for example and you mentioned nypd and leadership said make sure that Mental Health help is available and deal with the stigma and to put it bluntly were dealing with people who pride on being strong. We hear in the police force being strong, quote unquote man and masculinity and 90 are men. And it is a conversation among all of us as a society and certainly within Law Enforcement that you can be very strong and go to the doctor when your leg is broken or get Mental Health help if that is what you need. We dont have Mental Health equivalency and people have less of a concern calling in to say i have the flu but we dont have that in society generally and we dont have it in Law Enforcement in any more meaningful way. Right. And i think youre seeing that carry. And again the suicide rate as were emphasizing is higher among these individuals and first responders. Five times i believe. Five times. Theyre carrying a tremendous amount of stress and to state the obviously, which is part of the stories, were talking about people who do Public Service. Who do this work. And yet sometimes i think it goes without saying, sometimes they also need Public Service and need assistance just like anyone else. Thank you for doing this my friend. A pleasure to see you. Ari melber is our chief Legal Correspondent and host of the beat. If someone you know is thinking of suicide call the lifeline at 8002738255. Our show will tweet that out. Please let people know this line is available. That wraps up the hour for me. Thank you for watching. Deadline white house with Nicolle Wallace begins right now. Hi, everyone. It is 4 00 in new york. 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