Line, they hired different scientists to doubt the scientists that said there was going to be global warming. Basically, predicted where we are today. And they hired big pr firms. And they started aggressively lobbying, not only the government but but us, the American People, to try to convince us that what scientists found was not true. And scientists were not actually scientists. And so this massive effort, we were all on the same page for a long time. And then suddenly, we werent. Nobody argued with scientists a few decades ago. And now, suddenly, its almost like its a its a question up for debate whether Climate Change exists. There was the oil industry and there was the tobacco industry. They were both doing the same thing. They both had information about what was really the case and both spent a great deal of money convincing us otherwise. But drilled is important because it reminds people that for all the good things people want to do about climate and say they want to do, this is about fossil fuel. For everybody who wants to give up meat and you should and beef is really bad for the climate. It is not nearly as bad for the climate. If you do all those other things, plastic bags, paper straws, going vegan, if you do not deal with fossil fuels, youre stuck. Yeah. I mean, you could recycle everything in your life. Correct. Without that, were not going anywhere. Good to see you, my friend. Have a good weekend. You too. Its a weird way to end the show. Its important, though. It is friday, december the 6th. Quote our hearts and prayers are connected to all those that everybody us every day. Those from pensacola mayor this morning an aviation officer in the Saudi Air Force shot and killed three victims and injured three others at the u. S. Naval station pensacola. The gunman was also killed in the opening fire at the classroom building. The air station is the headquarters for the naval Education Training command. Were going to explain that in a little bit. It is the first Naval Air Station in the country. It employs more than 16,000 military members. 7,400 civilian personnel. The sense of community was underscored by city officials. The fbi is now investigating to determine if the shooting was terrorrelated. The deadly incident marked the second shooting at a u. S. Navy base this week. Joining me now from the site of the shooting in pensacola, florida, is nbcs Blane Alexander. Also with me, malcolm nance. Terrorism analyst for msnbc and former chief petty officer for the u. S. Navy. Blane, lets start with you. Get us up to speed on whats going on. Yeah. Well, ali, i think the biggest thing is that we had that that update just within the past hour or so. We heard from Florida Governor rhonda s ron desantis. We learned one thing. The number of injured has gone to eight. But the other thing were learning is were learning more about how this shooting unfolded in the first place. We do know now that the shooter had a hand gun on him. That was the weapon that was used in the shooting. And, of course, the big question is how exactly was he able to get that handgun on to base . As you know, weapons are certainly not allowed. In fact, the commander reiterated that in the News Conference with us. So that was one of the questions i asked him. I said are there security protocols, security measures in place to stop Something Like this from happening . And while he wouldnt go into that, he said that there are security measures. But, in fact, perhaps more coincidentally, they just had an active Shooter Drill not too long ago to practice for something very similar to this scenario. So we know the call came in, ali, at about 6 30 this morning local time. Now, just to kind set the scene for you here. The Naval Air Station is a very busy base. There are some 10,000 people who come in and out of the base every single day. In fact, 6 30 in the morning is a busy time because if you can kind of see the road behind me, the bridge that leads to that entrance. That area is packed on a normal day. People just trying to come in. Trying to come in the morning. So when we hear from officials what the scene was like this morning, we know that it was almost absolute chaos. In fact, i just spoke with the sheriffs captain who talked to me about what that scene looked like. He said that there was broken glass on the ground when he got there. Some of the glass had blood. Unfortunately, he saw some bodies there on the ground. So certainly a very chaotic scene. One final thing that i want to point out for you, ali, is among the eight injured, two of them are sheriffs deputies. Thats because they were among the first to arrive. They engaged in a sort of gun battle back and forth with the shooter. Were ultimately able to take him down but the two of them were shot themselves. Theyre nonlife threatening injuries. One in the arm. One in the leg. But again, being hailed as heroes today for getting to the scene in about three minutes. Blane, i want to go to donald trump now. President trump talking about the shooting. Lets listen in. Saudi arabia just called to express its sincere condolences and give his sympathies to the families and friends of the warriors who were killed and wounded in the attack that took place just recently. Just this morning in pensacola, florida. The king said that the saudi people are greatly angered by the barbaric actions of the shooter. And that this person in no way, shape, or form represents the feelings of the saudi people, who love the American People so much. So that was just given to me by the king of saudi arabia. And i can tell you its a horrible thing that took place. And were getting to the bottom of it. All of the investigators are there now. And theyre studying it very closely. And terrible thing. And our condolences go to the families. And to everybody involved, including the wounded. We have some badly wounded people also. And we have to extend our condolences to them. And well be working with them all very closely. So i just wanted to let you know that was from king solomon. And today, we are here to talk to some of the very hardworking citizens. The president goes on to talk about an economic matter, which we will keep an eye on. But the president did say in response to a question about whether he thought this was terrorism. He said that thats all being studied now. We will be talking about it very soon. It will be a report and the report will come out very soon. I want to go back to Blane Alexander and malcolm nance. Malcolm, Naval Air Station pensacola has a partnership with the royal Saudi Air Force, if people are wondering why there would be a saudi military member who would have been involved in this. They they are they train Saudi National pilots, leaders, junior officers. This is something that goes on. It goes on at other bases across america. We have people we train from other countries. How do you deal with this . Well, to a certain extent, we deal with it the exact same way we deal with u. S. Service members, men and women who are serving on our bases. Royal Saudi Air Force, royal saudi navy, they have trainers and trainees all over the United States. From san diego all the way out to pensacola. So we they come here by the thousands in the United States. And they are on the whole, theyre dedicated to the crown. They are usually some of their best people. You you generally cant come to the United States unless you have a very high proficiency level in english. And down in pensacola, thats where they train pilots, air crew, Naval Aviation technicians, and Saudi Air Force technicians who maintain helicopters and systems which are American Made and they need to get that training here in the United States. What obviously, these people are vetted. I mean, do we assume the saudis vet them . Do we vet them . Is this this is a system that has worked for a long time. Has there been a problem with it . Well, you know, vetting is a big word when youre talking about trying to figure out the internal motivations of an individual. I mean, weve, to a certain extent, the people who came on 9 11. You know, the hijackers, 19 hijackers, they were vetted also. And a lot into the United States on saudi visas for education and training. But what is inside the mind of someone who is potentially an extremist, we dont know. And we should caution even going towards terrorism at this point because there are three factors that i can calculate based on my experience that could be at play here. And ive seen it in other other bases when i was assigned to san diego. One, you could have a person who has an honor slight and that means someone within the chain of command, even another saudi, has, you know, insulted that person and dishonored them in some way. And ive seen that stew. Certainly, when i was working in the middle east and turn into violence. The second is a personal, emotional relationship. And that thats been disturbed whether its a relationship with another man or a woman. Or somebody within their team or one of the instructors. We see this from time to time in our, you know, in in what we call greenonblue engagements overseas with some of the trainers. And then finally, it could be extremism where this person was either selfradicalized or radicalized by a terrorist group. And then he carries out an extremist act. We just dont know at this point. But you have to understand. That is a big military base with a lot of military systems. And so you would think that an extremist, although they would deinvol devolve, there are a lot of Training Systems and aircraft they could have used for something a lot more horrific. But we dont know. And as the chief of police said this morning, lets hold on before we start going straight to the t word. Malcolm, good to have your analysis at a time like this. Blane alexander and malcolm nance. Former naval officer. On to the other major story that were following. More than 500 legal scholars say in a public letter quote whether President Trumps conduct is classified as bribery or as a high crime or misdemeanor or as both, it is clearly impeachable under our constitution. Exactly two hours from now, the deadline for the white house to tell the House Judiciary Committee if it will participate will have come and gone. Earlier today, hogan gidley said he expects the administration will respond to the request by the end of the day but gave no specifics. But according to an nbc news report, trump and the white House Counsel have shifted their focus already to the Republicanled Senate where a trial over trumps removal is expected as soon as january. While the administration mounts its defense in the senate, House Democrats are now debating whether articles of impeachment should highlight a singular event or a pattern of misbehavior perpetrated by the current president. Joining me now, Kelly Odonnell and from capitol hill, nbcs leanne caldwell. Kelly, lets start with you. Do we have some sense of the white houses propensity to participate in the house process given that were reporting that they are focusing on the senate process now . Well, all of the expectations at this point, as we await the official word from the white House Counsel pat cipollone, who we expect will be, in letter form, reaching out to the committee today. So were in the window of time it could come at any moment. Our expectation is that there wont be any surprises. No change in the strategy from the white house, which has been unwilling to fully participate on the house side. Which has been a tactical decision because they claim the democrats running that process have been inherently unfair to the president. Even though there have been ways in which democrats on the committees involved have offered and invited the president and his legal team to either send legal representation, request witnesses, and so forth. And the decision from the white house has been, at each iteration, that they are not participating. And in some ways, a more arms reach kind of situation where they have blocked things like subpoenas. Not made people available to testify and so on. So today, expect a kind of a period at the end of the sentence when it comes to participation in any of the house proceedings. We expect that letter and notification will come sometime this afternoon. No no expectation that that wont take place. And all the indications were getting, and of course weve got to wait to see it officially, is that the president will take a pass on the house and wait for the senate. With the belief that because they sort of, at this point, their assessment is this is on a train with the numbers on the democratic side leading toward an impeachment vote. And then the next process goes to the senate where republicans are in charge. And the form is different. Its an actual trial with the chief justice of the Supreme Court presiding. The opportunity for live witnesses. Questioning on both sides. Those kinds of things. So we expect that that strategy is let the house go by and wait for the senate. Ali. Leanne, lets talk about this idea that democrats are debating about whether to focus in on specific incidents that, you know, the public can get their head around fairly easily and can be litigated. Versus a pattern of behavior. Whats the push and pull in the house amongst democrats . Yeah. Thats what the democrats are now discussing on which way to go. Do they talk about do these articles of impeachment encompass just a singular event, like the july 25th phone call that got us to where we are today . Or do they encompass a pattern of activity by this president . So talking about ukraine. Perhaps, some instances from mueller. Just a repeated misbehavior, alleged misbehavior, by this president. So think of it as do they do the articles of impeachment include the rotten egg . The most rotten egg . Or does it include the entire dozen of eggs that are expiring. So those are the frames of these articles of impeachment and how theyre being debated and discussed among democrats now. We do know that no decisions have been made yet. And these discussions are ongoing. And we also know that the chairman of the Judiciary Committee, jerry nadler, he met with House Speaker nancy pelosi in her office at least twice yesterday. So these negotiations are going to and discussions and writing are going to continue and through the weekend. And we could see these articles as early as next week. Ali. All right. Thanks to both of you. Nbcs Kelly Odonnell at the white house. Leanne caldwell at congress. White house pushing back against Critical Evidence released within the house Intelligence Committees report on its impeachment investigation. Youll recall the report revealed several calls between Rudy Giuliani and white house phone numbers. They were listed. Including one socalled or said to be associated with the White House Office of management and budget. Seen labeled on the screen as omb phone number. These calls suggest contact between giuliani and key officials a week after giuliani met with the ukrainian official and almost a month after trump officially ordered military aid to ukraine be frozen. Something that omb, the office of management and budget, was directly involved in. But people familiar with the phone records tell the New York Times that quote, the phone number is a generic white house switchboard number. Making it difficult to tell whose desk it came from. The times reports quote while government directories listed as associated with the budget office, they also show the number as associated with offices in other parts of the white house, including the upper floors of the west wing and the National Security council. Despite the new development, the times also underscores this important point. Administration officials have not contested the broader assertion that the impeachment report made with the call records that the call records that mr. Giuliani was in close contact with the white house as he carried out a shadow ukraine policy. Pressing its new president to announce investigations that could benefit mr. Trump politically. Joining me now is chief White House Correspondent for the New York Times, peter baker. He is an msnbc political analyst. He is also the coauthor of impeachment and american history. Peter, this mirrors Different Things that have happened in the course of the last few months with respect to the ukraine investigation. There have been the white house and the administration and the the executive branch have taken issue with particulars here and there. While having difficulty shrugging off the main content of this. And that is that something was going on between the president and the president of ukraine that seemed to be designed to the benefit of donald trump. Right. Exactly. Theyre picking at the specific facts that they can. Theyre trying to pull those threads to unravel the larger tapestry. But the larger tapestry remains there. And it is, you know, it reinforces a couple things. One, if the white house really wanted to clarify who was talking on the phone with Rudy Giuliani, whether it was a or somebody else in the west wing, they could release records of their own. They had, in fact, refused to respond to document requests from the house investigative committee. House Intelligence Committee. But they dont want to answer those questions. They just want to be able to wait until the Intelligence Committee gets something wrong or something that might be contested and then take it apart the best they can. Thats what, you know, you do when youre on a defense in a in a kind of criminal situation. Its interesting to see here in a political situation. The flip side is it also suggests, of course, the limits of how far the house Intelligence Committee has been able to go. In part, because the white house has refused to cooperate in so many ways. The house Intelligence Committees produced a report saying heres what we learned but there are things we just dont know the answer to. They havent talked to Rudy Giuliani. They actually havent even subpoenaed Rudy Giuliani for any kind of testimony. Mick mulvaney is the acting white house chief of staff but also the director still of the office of management and budget which is why that phone number coming up looks so interesting. The white house told my colleagues maggie that, in fact, Mick Mulvaney did not speak to Rudy Giuliani with regard to this. But thats something that we have not been able to see either Mick Mulvaney or Rudy Giuliani questioned about. So thats thats where theyre at at this point. The house Intelligence Committee is working with incomplete information but theyre saying the information they do have is more than enough to justify the articles of impeachment that the Judiciary Committee is now about to draft. I want you to i want to read to our viewers from an article you wrote in the New York Times. You say theres no escape for mr. Trump. Not in foreign cities, nor in the oval office and not in the television he stares at upstairs in the white house each day. His legislative agenda mostly on hold. His Foreign Policy overshadowed. His reelection on the line. He takes refuge in the Campaign Rallies he holds and in the morning and evening, line ups on fox news. Theres some reality to all this. David fromm wrote the president s advisors cant really help him all that much because they they are getting their information and their analysis and their sense of of being able to fight this off from those same places. From these rallies. From fox news. Yeah. Thats exactly right. I mean, you know, he gets a charge out of these rallies. They remind him that he has a lot of people out there who really do support him very strongly, very vigorously. Standing by him. That empowers him. That emboldens him to fight back. Unlike president clinton during his impeachment 21 years ago when president clinton said, look, i did wrong. It just wasnt impeachable. This president s saying i did nothing wrong period. Its not a question of whether its impeachable. Its a question of whether he did anything not perfect. He says again and again his contact with the ukrainian president was perfect. And thats putting republicans in an awkward position because theyd like to say this wasnt perfect. Lets leave it to the voters. The president wont let them do that. Peter, good to see you. Thank you for joining me. Peter baker is the chief White House Correspondent for the New York Times and political analyst and the author of impeachment and american history. Coming up, phone records released by Congress Show largely unencrypted and could have been easily surveiled by foreign intelligence. Was russia listening . 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Border patrol claims an agent checks on carlos three times during the night but its not clear if the checks actually happened. There are portions of the Surveillance Video missing. They also claim they found carlos during a welfare check. But in another part of the video that is too upsetting to show here, it appears carloss cellmate was the one who discovered him when he woke up four hours after carlos collapsed. Carlos was pronounced dead a short time later. A cbp spokesman told propublica while we cannot discussion specific information or details of this investigation, we can tell you the department of Homeland Security and this agency are looking into all aspects of this case to ensure all procedures were followed. According to propublica, carlos was the sixth underage migrant to die after being detained while entering the United States in less than a year. Two of them at least died from the flu. The editor in chief steve joins me now. Steve, thank you for being here. Pleasure. Customs and Border Patrol says they cant give you information. Howd you get the video . Well, its an interesting story. The death occurred in a facility in weslaco, text terks, as you mentioned. The police asked could this young man, a 16yearold, have died in foul play . Could his cellmate have killed him . So pursuant to that investigation, they asked Border Patrol for any materials they would have. The Border Patrol turned over a limited amount of video which determined in fact he died of the flu. So for that reason, we dont have anywhere near the full tape one would have. We filed a public records request with the police. Obtained the material from them. But what they have is missing the four hours roughly when he collapsed to when he was discovered. So there could be more information on there. Possibly so. Possibly so. Whats the implication here . The implication here is that the United States government put a 16yearold in an icy, cold cell with a blanket suffering from the flu about to die. And its fairly clear from this video i would argue that nobody checked on him until his cellmate discovered he was dead. I think thats something that there should be some accountability questions about. To this day, as far as we know, no one has been held to account for these events. They have said to you theyre looking into that. Does that mean theres an investigation . Or was that sort of perform stuff that government pr gives out . Its hard to say. I think when you look at this video, its fairly clear something has gone badly amiss. What the video shows, the most important thing the video shows, is that when it stops rolling at about 1 40 in the morning. Hes in one position. He remains in that position for the next four hours. The video that starts again when hes found at 6 00 in the morning, his feet are in exactly the same position. What that tells you is that if they checked on him, they almost certainly didnt do didnt do anything about it. Well, we would apparently, the coroner was told they checked on him by looking through a window. But even if youre looking through a window, you see this kid lying, unmoving for four hours and you dont go in and at least shake him a little bit . Im not sure by the way as we know from the Jeffrey Epstein case, in prison sometimes you have people say they do socalled welfare checks but they dont. There was another big report this week in the New York Times on the role mackenzie, the International Consulting firm, played in developing and executing the Trump Administration immigration policies. I want to just quote from that report in the New York Times of the the money saving recommendations kultdents came up with made some career i. C. E. Staff uncomfortable. They proposed cuts in spending on food for migrants, as well as on medical care and supervision of detainees. It goes on to say the team also looked for ways to accelerate the deportation process, provoking worries among some i. C. E. Staff members that the recommendations risked short circuiting due process protections for migrants fighting remo fighti fighting removal from the United States. This sorry is interesting because what a consulting business does to achieve efficiencies is not really the way we should be thinking about government. I agree. I mean, you know, someone like mackenzie comes into a situation like i. C. E. You know, theyre going to sort of take out a white piece of paper and start dreaming of what you could do. The fact that i. C. E. Personnel were saying lets not do this is encouraging. But you do wonder what other Government Agencies are bringing in what other consultants and what other great ideas that are not being knocked down . The privatization of this is something that is sort of a story on the side that not everybody is clear on. This isnt just your tax dollars and Government Employees at work. There are money saving things at play here, which might be resulting in some of the things were hearing about. Yes. I think thats true. Although, in the case of the first story we talked about. That was clearly the United States government faced with an influx of migrants and being utterly unprepared. Which is a very weve heard that from the customs and Border Patrol. Theyre the first to admit they werent in the business of detaining all these people. Right. As the story points out, there was a dispute among the agencies. The Border Patrol had projected that there would be more migrants. That there would be a problem. And hhs, which has the facilities to house kids, said no, no. We think the shelters are going to be emptied out. Were changing some procedures. More parents are going to pick up more kids. Were going to be fine. So the government had a sense this was going to happen. Didnt prepare very well. Good to see you, stephen. Thank you for joining us. The editor in chief of propublica. We are less than two hours away from the deadline for President Trump to decide if hell have one of his lawyers participate in the impeachment hearings. Gearing up for what will be the third impeachment trial in the nations history. Stay with us. Youre watching msnbc. Re watchi. I was diagnosed with parkinsons. I had to retire from Law Enforcement. It was devastating. One of my medications is three thousand dollars per month. Prescription drugs do not work if you cannot afford them. For sixty years, aarp has been fighting for people like larry. And we wont stop. Join us in fighting for whats right. Itheres my career. s more to me than hiv. My cause. And creating my dream home. Im a work in progress. So much goes into who i am. Hiv medicine is one part of it. 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Senate republicans and democrats are already Holding Strategy sessions to prepare for a possible trial early next year. A Senior Senate democratic aide told nbc news that earlier this week, Senate Minority leader Chuck Schumer gave a presentation of mechanics of the trial that included clips of bill clintons impeachment trial. Joining us now to take a closer look is Michigan Democratic senator gary peters. He came into office after the clinton impeachment proceedings. Senator, good to see you. Thank you for joining us. Its great to be with you. Thank you. What is your expectation of how this is going to unfold . From a timing perspective and how its going to go in the senate . Its really difficult to to know right now. We all we know is that leader mcconnell put out the schedule for next year. Left january blank. Well have to see how it flushes out in january. Obviously, when it actually starts in the senate, a lot of thats determined by speaker pelosi. Should the articles be voted on in the house, she has to send it over to the senate. And and that, she has some discretion in. So we dont know exactly what day itll start. But then there will be negotiations between leader mcconnell and leader schumer to figure out exactly what schedule that we will follow in the weeks ahead. You know, in 1999, democrats and republicans, those rules were actually agreed upon unanimously by democrats and republicans. So they the trial went forward in the senate with an agreedupon set of rules. It feels like 2019, 20 years later, is such a different place. Do you even think well get that . Do you think well get agreedupon rules . I hope so. Its a majority vote so there may be some dissenters among that. But i think we all realize you got to have some rules. People want to know exactly what the schedules going to be. And in that last impeachment, you know, there were some times where there was not a session so that the attorneys could work through their presentation to the senate. So itll also be dependent on what counsel needs in order to prepare for the trial. So i think its fairly flexible. We dont know what to expect. But i certainly hope there will be an agreement. I know my caucus wants to work to get some sort of agreement that we can all get around. Senator, you are also a member of the arm services committee. We are getting conflicting reports. We there were reports in the wall street journal that the Trump Administration is considering sending about 14,000 troops to the middle east. Then the defense secretary said thats absolutely false. Thats not going to happen. But clearly, whether whether thats true or false, there is enough rumbling about sending troops to the middle east. Ostensibly having to do with iran. Going on in the white house. Give me your thoughts on this. Well, youre right. In fact, we asked that question yesterday. We had a hearing of the Armed Services committee and the administration said that those troops are not being sent. But i think the reason youre getting rumblings, the reason youre getting some of this reporting is that we dont really know what the strategy is. We havent really seen a comprehensive strategy coming out of the Trump Administration as to how to deal with the increased belligerent activities of the iranians. And when you dont have a strategy, i think people are always speculating and rumors start. And thats a big part of the problem. I want to just play because we were trying to establish what the strategy is. So one might get it from the president. Lets listen to what he had to say about this yesterday. Well announce whatever we do, well announce. But certainly, there might be a threat and if there is a threat, itll be met very strongly. But well be announcing whatever we may be doing. May or may not be doing. I think the iranian situation could be fixed very quickly and very easily. And it could become really something special, as it was at certain points of time. Senator, i dont do that to make fun of the president but this is a very, very serious issue. It took ten years to get that deal done. And now, weve been out of that deal. I i find it hard to believe that thats the president s strategy what you just heard there. It sounds like somebody who got a pamphlet on iran yesterday. We know this is a very, very serious matter. We do. Its incredibly serious matter and when the president pulled out of the agreement, there was no idea as to what you do for the next steps. Its pretty clear that they are rudderless when it comes to a comprehensive strategy to deal with iran and potential Nuclear Ambitions down the road. And certainly, that clip that you just played shows a president that clearly, in my mind, has no idea what the strategy is. And is trying to trying to talk around it. I would think at this point in the game, wed at least have wed have talking points on how to deal with that. Senator, good to see you. Thank you, sir. Democratic senator gary peters of michigan. Log logs of phone calls made by Rudy Giuliani and others involved in the ukraine scandal have raised new questions about the security of President Trumps communications. Current and former u. S. Officials told the Washington Post that trump routinely spoke with giuliani and others on cell phones that were vulnerable to russian and other foreign intelligence agencies. According to the Washington Post, the disclosures provide fresh evidence suggesting that the president continues to defy the security guidance urged by his aides and followed by previous incumbents. A stand that is particularly remarkable given trumps attacks on Hilary Clinton in the 2016 president ial campaign for her use of a private email account while serving as secretary of state. Joining us now to talk about this is gen nevjennifer reuben, Washington Post opinion righter. I dont know where this fits into the donald trump not taking russia seriously or not thinking its a threat or, you know, having been what some people call a useful idiot for russia. Whatever the case is, why would he be okay with the possible interference in his phone calls with Rudy Giuliani, with whom he seemed to be up to no good . Well, what the article suggests is that he was doing it intentionally. So they would not have a log of his calls. Would not know who he was talking to for what period of time. And that is what they call consciousness of guilt. If he has no problems, if everything hes doing is perfect, why is there a problem if he has a log of those calls . And this, as the article says, it ironic is one way to put it i suppose. That a man who ran a campaign, largely on this issue. That Hilary Clinton was unfit to serve because she was she was susceptible to blackmail. She was being irresponsible with National Security. This is the president of the United States who is now doing this. And we know that the russians, most likely, have, if not all at least some of those calls, knows whats in them. There is a present and future risk of blackmail because goodness knows what he was saying there. As many experts have said, the russians probably know more about those phone conversations than the u. S. Senate. And thats a problem. In fact, according to the continuing from the article, it says insight into giulianis discussions with trump could enable moscow to adapt or amplify its propaganda. Promoting the baseless claim that ukraine, rather than russia, hacked the Democratic National committee in the 2016 u. S. Election. The claim is now widely embraced by trumps republican allies. It it it is at this point, you also saw the reporting about the phone calls between giuliani and the white house. That, you know, not everybodys been able to get to the bottom of. But the white house is disputing whether this phone number in the white house actually called Rudy Giuliani and whose phone number it was. Theyre not disputing the underlying claim that Rudy Giuliani has had a lot to do with the white house as it related to this ukraine ordeal. Thats right. The notion that he somehow a rogue figure is ridiculous. And as we speak, he is apparently in ukraine talking to people with shady backgrounds still trying to get this dirt, which doesnt exist, on joe biden. And what we also know, because Rudy Giuliani keeps telling us, is that for these people, quote, corruption is the same as an investigation into joe biden. That is very harmful to the president s position, who has been trying to make the claim, as ridiculous as it might seem, that he is really interested in cleaning up corruption in general in ukraine. And here he is, his private lawyer, still going down the road of finding information from foreigners. Something thats illegal. Youre not supposed to get something of value from a foreigner. And here he is telling us that, no, those sorts of words, corruption, really just means were going to go after the Vice President. So its sort of mind blowing at this stage. You sort of dont know how long republicans are going to be able to keep a straight face. So whats interesting about the impeachment proceedings, as democrats discuss whether its going to be about a or b is that there is this issue of endangering National Security. In preventing that aid from going to ukraine. Whether or not for political, personal, political gain. The separate issue is that was congressionallyapproved aid for a reason that was in americas National Security interests. Something the president chose, apparently unilaterally or maybe with a group of others, to contradict. Thats right. And its going to be an interesting question as to whether they create a separate article out of endangering National Security. Or whether that is simply part of the story that is being told in an article that would be about obstruction or perhaps about bribery, extortion. So were going to have to wait to see how the house puts that all together. Jennifer, good to talk to you. Thank you as always. Jennifer reuben. Opinion writer for the Washington Post and an msnbc political contributor. Breaking news, we are getting our fist look at the Saudi Air Force officer accused of shooting and killing three people at Naval Air Station pensacola, florida. Several Law Enforcement officials tell nbc news this man, mohammed alshamrani. He is the suspect. He was reportedly attending the Aviation School at the air station which trains pilots from around the world. Authorities say he shot and killed three people before he, himself, was shot and killed. 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Elizabeth warren is calling out one of her rivals by name. Pete buttigieg, the south bend mayor is now leading the field in some iowa polls and senator warren is calling for more transparency about his private fundraisers, his donors, and possible conflicts of interest. The mayor should be releasing whos on his finance committee. Who are the bundlers who are raising big money for him . Who hes given titles to and made promises to. And warren, who rarely goes after her top democratic rivals, also called on buttigieg to release details of his called o release his details about his work at the Company Mackenzie company. I strongly believe in transparency as to one of the reasons why i have released tax returns from when i got whack from school. And not all of my competitors have been along to do that. And i also believe that mackenzie should release the client list of the clients that i served. Is that something they can do . Its something they can do, yeah. Nbc news political reporter Vaughn Hillyard joins me now. What did the mayor tell you . Reporter we talked with the mayor yesterday in new hampshire. And i actually just had a conversation with the campaign as well. They said that the counsel for the campaign has reached out to mckenzie. What we are looking at here is the years 2010 to 2007. Essentially mckinsey is a Global Consulting firm that has represented russian companies, saudi arabia, china, even i. C. E. Helps the government, the Trump Administration look at potentially ways to cut back financing and save on budget including cutting back on medical care and food provided to migrants. So thats where theres been a lot of concern over those three years which boot judge worked as a consultant for mckinsey. Who did he represent . Thats why i asked the question of the south bend mayor yesterday. Is there a specific concern that anyone has, or is it, as you say, a general concern that Companies Like mckinsey work for governments or countries or companies in a costcutting way, and we should be able to see the transparency . Does somebody have some specific idea that Pete Buttigieg did something in that period of time that he was working for mckinsey or worked for someone thats going to make him look bad in his campaign . The extent to what we know is the New York Times came out with some new reporting this morning suggesting that he had worked overseas in iraq and afghanistan, particularly around trying to prop up small businesses, mediumsized businesses in afghanistan during the reconstruction effort there. There is nothing nefarious that has been suggested at this point from Pete Buttigiegs work. At the same time three years are a significant amount of time. And Pete Buttigieg, even when he was running for state treasurer back in 2010 in indiana used his time at mckinsey as example of his private experience in corporate america. But i want to, if we could, let you play a little bit of our exchange there yesterday in which i asked buttigieg quite specifically about his work. Have you gotten a response yet, and 60 days out from the iowa caucus, isnt it worthy for folks to know who you represented over those three years . Yes. I think it would be good to be released. I keep my word and i signed a legal document when you serve a client that youre going to respect their confidentiality. But i do think it would be a good thing for that to be released. Is there anybody that you regret representing . No. Did you ever represent a Foreign Government . No. A Pharmaceutical Company . No. And im hoping we will get a chance to be able to push all this out. There is a question mark about whether his nondisclosure agreement prevents him from not describing his work. To note the Buttigieg Campaign is now pushing back against warren suggesting that she should turn over her tax records from before 2008. She has only turned over her tax records dating back to 2008 when she entered the administration. They are saying that she needs to open up more about her own legal work in corporate america. Vaughn hillyard for us. We are going to be right back with a look at the markets and the strong jobs report that came out this morning. You are watching msnbc. Out this morning you are watching msnbc we present limu emu doug with this key to the city. [ applause ] its an honor to tell you that Liberty Mutual customizes your Car Insurance so you only pay for what you need. And now we need to get back to work. [ applause and band playing ] only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. I have moderate to severe pnow, theres skyrizi. 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And that is still stuck. Why is it stuck if theres so few jobs, so many people working, why arent wages higher and why is that still stuck . That is the intractable problem of our time. Markets loved this news because it means that people will have money so were not likely going into a recession. And the fed doesnt have to increase Interest Rates because inflations not there. So heres what you get. You get a great gain on the dow 331 points. The standard and poors 38 points. That wraps up the hour for me. Im going to see you back here tonight at 10 00 p. M. Eastern for the last word. You can watch or listen to this show on sirius xm radio. Tune in msnbc. Com now, the msnbc app, and apple tv. And of course you can always find me on social media on twitter, facebook, instagram, snapchat, and linkedin. If i can find any other social media places to hang out on i will. Thank you for watching. Have a great weekend. Deadline white house with Nicolle Wallace in d. C. Starts right now. Hi, everyone. Its 4 00 in new york. Were one hour away from a deadline for the president to decide whether he plans to mount a defense in the house impeachment inquiry. All signs point to a white house more focused on what it believes to be friendlier territory in the u. S. Senate with the house impeachment inquiry has rattled this white house and revealed an irrefutable trail of evidence that donald j. Trump conditioned military aid for a nation at war on a commitment to investigate the bidens in a debunked Conspiracy Theory about the 2016 election. And House Speaker nancy pelosi suggesting this afternoon that a decision from trump to stay out of the proceedings in the house will speak volumes from the Washington Post, quote, anything they have that is exculpatory, this is their moment pelosi told reporters at the capitol. But they have a consciousness of guilt, and thats why they may not show up. Well see. Maybe they will. The