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Have it. But were not going to wait. We cant wait seven months to aju adjudicate these kinds of cases. A lot of developments to talk about as the president gets ready to head to florida for a Campaign Rally before spending the rest of the thanksgiving holiday at his maralago resort. Joining me now from capitol hill is garrett haake. Also with us, former u. S. Ambassador to russia, michael mcfaul, an msnbc International Affairs analyst. Good to see you guys. Garrett, what do we know so far about the Judiciary Committees hearing scheduled for december 4th . Im told that this hearing is something we should look at as a 30,000 foot view on impeachment. The Judiciary Committee membership hope that they will have intels report on everything that we know about this ukraine scandal by then, but even if they dont, this hearing will be to set the table. What is a high crime and misdemeanor. What is an impeachable offense. And perhaps, if they have the report by then, some answering of the questions of, does what is laid out in this report rise to that standard . But this is Judiciary Committee essentially setting the table for what could be a series of hearings on the ukraine issue itself, starting by answering that fundamental question, is what is an impeachab ablable of for the president of the United States. Well start to see that work beginning on wednesday, december 4th. Then the federal judges ruling on don mcgahns testimony. A lot of talk about the inquiry, the testimony. The judges order if upheld could potentially lead to. The biggest question is does this change in any way the timeline for the democrats . Not as of this moment. We know the doj has requested a stay on this decision. The administration is likely to appeal. If youre trying to move the impeachment inquiry along at an expeditious fashion as democrats have been trying to do, having a bunch of Court Rulings still to come on this makes that difficult. Based on the conversations i had last week with democrats, this week with some of the aides who are still in town, the general feeling here is they want to keep moving as planned here, and if mcgahn becomes available through the process of this impeachment inquiry, thats great. If this ruling shakes loose other witnesses, thats even better. But that theyre not going to stop what theyre doing here and wait for don mcgahn, who is, of course, not really privy to or relevant to the ukraine question. Remember, democrats were seeking his testify related to what he told Robert Mueller months ago. So the impeachment inquiry will likely move on pace here unless the courts do the democrats another favor here and move very quickly on this. Ambassador, the secretary of state said today that he doesnt have a lot to say in respect to ukraine, and he sidestepped those questions. Others who didnt testify include Mick Mulvaney, john bolton, mark esper, rick perry, russell vogt. Was this always going to be a tough sell because it involves a Foreign Government . And are democrats say theres no sense waiting and hoping for a smoking gun when the president s sorters have shown time and again theyre all in. I wonder how you read this. Well, first, i do think the evidence is overwhelming for what happened. So without any of those people testifying, the basic facts after two weeks of impeachment hearings were never challenged. That said, impeachment is a really important thing for the United States, for our constitution, and the fact that we still have all those people you just listed that have not testified, i think is wrong. I think they should testify. And im not so sure im not a political person, right . I dont understand the politics of it, but from the constitutional perspective, i would like to see all of these people testify, and in particular, john bolton, i think, has a really big decision to make right now. This new finding with respect to mcgahn, i think gives him the window of opportunity to testify if he wants to. The idea before was that he was going to somehow break the law by testifying. Now, he can if he wants to, and most certainly we all know he has a lot that he could share. You know, i also want to play for you something mike pompeo said today he refused to quash that discredited yet often repeated Conspiracy Theory that it was ukraine, not russia, that meddled in the 2016 election. Here it is. America should leave no stone unturned. Whatever nation it is that we have information that might suggest there might have been interference, or an effort to nrlt fear in our elections, we have an obligation to make sure the American People get to go to the ballot box, cast their ballots in a way than is unimpacted by the malevolent actors trying to undermine our western democratic values. Ambassador, no mention of russia, no mention of the Intelligence Committee findings, no mention of the intelligence communitys findings. What do you make of that . Its deeply disturbing. When he says malevolent athers, hes talking about ukraine, a country that had a democratic revolution in 2014 and elected another reformer. Why is he using the word malevolent to suggest when theyre exposing corruption in their own country, thats a malevolent actor . Secondly, if there are stones to be unturned, you dont think we would have turned them over by now . Give me a break. The evidence is very thin when it comes to ukraine. And third, if were going to go through all actors that interfered in our election, lets add some others. Nigel farage, for instance, a citizen of the united kingdom, appeared at a trump rally. And endorsed president candidate rally at a trump rally. Why is secretary pompeo not leading an investigation into what Great Britain might have done . So these are difficult questions. Dont get me wrong, but the notion that it was ukraine next to russia and theres just some symmetry between them i think is a really incorrect way to describe what happened in 2016. I just think its irresponsible. Secretary pompeo knows the difference between an oped by a uk ambassador and what the gru, the Russian Intelligence Organization did, military intelligence, excuse me, did in 2016. Ambassador michael mcfaul, garrett haake, thanks both of you. Much appreciated. The administration had made it clear from day one they were going to fight anything related to impeachment. And last hour, they even turned the traditional turkey pardoning ceremony into kind of a politically charged joke. Thankfully, bread and butter have been specially raised by the jacksons to remain calm under any condition, which will be very important because they have already received subpoenas to appear in adam schiffs basement on thursday. The democrats are accusing me of being too soft on turkey. But bread and butter, i should note that unlike previous witnesses, you and i have actually met. I want to bring in barrett burger, a former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst, and charlie savage, washington correspondent for the New York Times and also an msnbc contributor. You can make jokes about it, and maybe there were probably people in the audience, including his daughter, who thought that stuff was pretty funny. Having said that, the judges ruling on don mcgahn was scathing. When you say we dont have a king here, right, the president is not a king, we dont know where this court fight will end. We know its continuing, already several moves have been made, but having said that, is this an indication to you that the president sort of stonewall defense, delay, delay, delay may be failing, or is this something that could indeed drag on well into 2020 and hell have the last laugh . Well, its a great question. I think while this strategy of saying were not going to comply with any subpoenas, were going to force the democrats to fight all of this in court, while it may ultimately fail, you may get a court of appeals and ultimately the Supreme Court to say no, this is not a proper basis. They may win in the shortterm just by matter of timing. Because as we already saw, even this one Court Opinion took about seven months to come out. Even though, you know, this was a 120something page opinion, very well reasoned so one can imagine it took some time for this judge to come up with all the rationale, it was seven months that the democrats just dont have right now. So while the strategy may fail, ultimately, and they may get a court of appeals to issue an opinion saying this is not a valid legal basis, they may win just by the delay. The delay, exactly. Charlie, hearing pompeo today adding to the many republicans who have posed that debunked narrative that ukraine was responsible for the hack of the Democratic National committee emails, does that tell us pretty much all we need to know about the gops impeachment strategy, which is back the president . Well, certainly, that is the republican strategy. I would say its one of many tactics that all seem to be in place simultaneousimultaneously. Theres the arguments that trump didnt do it at all. Then theres the argument that if he did do it, pressure ukraine to open investigations, it was war nlted. I would say the suggestion that ukraine was behind the 2016 hacking that discredited theory falls into the second category. He did it but it was warranted. There was a good reason to ask for these investigations. And the insinuations about the bidens and burisma also falls into that category. The third category is maybe he did it, maybe it was wrong, but we should really let the voters decide. It doesnt rise to an impeachable offense. I imagine well see all of these deployed at the same time all targeted at different audiences. To the trump base and the president himself, who are going to be more receptive to that message of he didnt do it, or if he did do it, it was righteous. As you know, the chairman, adam schiff, says his committee is compiling a list of noncompliance with lawful subpoenas. That could be in their minds another offense that the Judiciary Committee can consider le drafting as an article of impeachment, and he said the committee is open to the possibility that further evidence will come to light, but the evidence of wrongdoing and misconduct by the president gathered to date is clear and hardly in dispute. Charlie, giving the timetable the committee has given, submitting the report to the judiciary, now we know when the judiciary is going to start, really, is there any more room for new developments or some kind of blockbuster information or testimony that were not expecting . Well, this seems like the democrats are moving forward on the presumption there wont be, what they have is what theyre going to get. The judicial process moves too slowly to be of any use in this fastmoving situation. That big headline generating 120page ruling yesterday would have been a lot more impactful had the judge issued it back in september or october. Instead of the end of november. Maybe a shorter opinion but a faster one might have been more warranted in this case. Theyre not going to count on getting anything more. But i think mr. Schiff has also said that even after they deliver this report to the Judiciary Committee and things shift to that venue, if more information comes to light, if john bolton has a change of heart and decides to tell what he knows and he keeps hinting coyly he knows something, they will be willing to add that to the pile, but theyre not going to count on anything more coming in at this point. Although john boltons potential testimony, and we put a big asterisk there, barrett, is one of the Big Questions that comes out of this, because john boltons attorney released a statement saying in mcgahn, meaning the ruling, the house Judiciary Committee emphasized to the District Court that the information it sought from mr. Mcgahn, quote, did not involve the sensitive topics of National Security or foreign affairs. Therefore, any passing references in the mcgahn decision instead of courts opinion to president ial Communications Concerning National Security matters are not authoritative on the validity of testimonial immunity for close white house advisers. Thats legal speak for that doesnt apply to us. But judge jackson said her ruling applies to all claims of testimonial immunity, writing nor does it make any difference whether the aides in question are privy to National Security matters or work slowly on domestic issues. Whos right . Well, the judge really shot down this defense, i guess, of john bolton saying this doesnt apply to me, but its important to note that the judges opinion does leave room, that there mail be particular issues that a close adviser would be able to exert some sort of privilege over if he or she actually showed up to testify. Her opinion is not saying there is, you know, nothing is off the table here. They have to testify about everything wholesale. It does leave room that there may be particular issues. What its careful to say is theres just no absolute blanket immunity. They dont have a reason not to show up at all, but there may be particular things that either because it is classified or there is some additional privilege on there that they wouldnt to have testify about. Big picture, is this likely to have impact down the road much more than the impeachment . Definitely, yes. This could be potentially a very big ruling. It is. Absolutely it is. And the precedent this will set is historic. The Trump Administration is not the first to try to assert these claims of absolute immunity. This has been done in the past. To have guidance from the courts on whether or not future administrations can do this is really significant. It may really affect the contours of how we see the powers of the executive. Appreciate it. I also want to bring in democratic congresswoman from michigan, Brenda Lawrence. Good to see you, congresswoman. Good to see you. Theres a whole bunch of new polls. I want to show you some of them that shows the country continues to be split over impeachment. This is cnns latest polling. 50 of americans support removal from office. 43 oppose it. A Politico Morning Consult poll showing support for impeachment is 48 . 43 oppose. You have been clear, you support impeachment. But not removal . So i am 100 in support. I was one of the early in 2017 members of congress to sign on for impeachment. We have had a very thorough investigation and the crimes of impeachment has been documented. And im moving forward with that. My major concern, chris, is with the Republican Senate members. Those who have, after we have completed our finding in the judiciary and hopefully well take a vote and i will be voting for impeachment, i am concerned that there will be this underbelly thats happening to exonerate the president. And the thing that just sends chills up my spine is that history will reflect that we had an official action of congress that just put their head in the sand and ignored all of these egregious actions of this president. And my question was to the Republican Senate, is that at minimum, because many of them will tell me off the camera and in the corner, theyll whisper, yes, it wasnt right, but its not impeachable. I say at minimum, you have to say you must censure this president so no president coming into office will think and assume this type of behavior is acceptable. It is a shock to our democracy. It is a slap in the face to all of us here where we bring in a foreign entity yet, congresswoman, and i know you know what folks on the right are saying right now. They say you flipped. Im going to show you, there are headlines. One says swing state demflips on impeachment. House democrat backs down from impeachment. There we see them in the daily caller and news max. White house counselor Kellyanne Conway said youre just the start of the flips, and she called you out by name. Ill going to play it. I dont know what will be in the articles of impeachment, bultd we do know we have seen nothing through these hearings that would bring us any closer to high crimes and misdemeanors that justifies impeaching and removing a democratically elected president from office, and i really, i was very struck by i was struck by everything congresswoman Brenda Lawrence said yesterday, and good for her for her courage. Shes in a heavily democratic district. I would assume shes a loyal democratic member, but she made very clear that were so close to the next election that that gives her pause as well. She went on to say that increasingly, that is what is happening, and will continue to happen. I predict, as democrats go home for the thanksgiving holiday and constituents logically ask them what have you done lately . The answer is im busy impeaching the president. What would you say to Kellyanne Conway and to the newspapers, the tv folks, radio folks on the right who say that you are the face of people flipping on impeachment . The fact is i have not flipped. The fact is that our country is so divided. And for me, impeachment is the process that we and i must take in my sworn oath to this country. I am so troubled by this deliberate attempt to minimize the actions of this president. And the record should not reflect in history that this president was exonerated when all of the facts are pointing to this. Does it make you mad that theyre presenting it that way . Its very disappointing because its a slap to where i stand. I have not flipped. But i was trying to bring some reason to the senate republicans. At minimum, you must say that this president has some accountability for his actions. And i put out to the public, you have to consider at minimum a censure of his action. And so they flipped it and said something that i didnt say. And for the record, im 100 convinced by the facts, the investigations, the hearings, and all thats been presented in this very thorough investigation that President Trump should be impeached. Congresswoman Brenda Lawrence of michigan, appreciate you coming on and setting the record straight. Happy thanksgiving. Happy thanksgiving to you. Coming up, its long been assumed that New Hampshire will go for either senator warren or senator sanders in the democratic primary, but theres new polling from the Granite State that says not so fast. Its essentially a fourway tie. Putting New Hampshire very much in play for 2020. Plus, President Trumps soninlaw and Senior Adviser Jarrett Kushner has a new job to add to his resume. Project manager of trumps border wall. Trying to help his fatherinlaw deliver on one of his big Campaign Promises before voters head back to the polls in november. Youre watching msnbc. Only pay for what you need with Liberty Mutual. Con Liberty Mutual solo pagas lo que necesitas. Only pay for what you need. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Work so hard give it everything you got strength of a lioness tough as a knot rocking the stage and we never gonna stop all strength, no sweat. Just in case you forgot all strength. No sweat secret. All strength. No sweat. The best of pressure cooking and air frying now in one pot, and with tendercrisp technology, you can cook foods that are crispy on the outside and juicy on the inside. 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Meantime, while many of the 2020 president ial hopefuls plot to iowa today, theres a fascinating new poll from New Hampshire because it shows right now, its essentially a fourway tie. Sanders leading by a narrow twopoint margin with fellow progressive warren right behind him. Buttigieg trailing her by just one. And then theres joe biden. But his 12 puts all four, sanders, warren, buttigieg, biden, within the polls margin of error. The boston globe points out, and im quoting here, it has been decades since this many candidates have jostled for the lead so soon before a New Hampshire president ial primary. Joining me, James Pindell from the boston globe. Always good to see you. So i guess the running assumption was that New Hampshire would be a faceoff between the top two progressives, warren and sanders. Theyre neighbors to New Hampshire. But what does this poll tell you about the state of this race . You are right, this is changing the narrative of how we think about New Hampshire. For a while, the focus was simply iowa, iowa, iowa, a make or break state for a number of these candidates, while New Hampshire was a Warren Sanders affair and there wasnt that much incentive to get into the state because, i mean, what are you going to do, compete for second or third . But now, its a wide open possibility. You know, this poll shows, remember, the front runner, the leader of this is bernie sanders, with only 16 . And then, of course, the rest of the top four are within the margin of error. Thats why its a fourway contest. While hes at 16 , the number of undecideds are at 21 . If you want to drill down more and say i know youre leaning one way or the other, but how many of you are actually still making up your mind, our poll found that 53 of likely New Hampshire democratic primary voters, just 77 days away from the primary, are still making up their minds. Fluid doesnt even begin to describe it. You wonder, i guess it gives hope to people in the middle, right . Like the Kamala Harrises or cory bookers. Thats right. I guess there will be a number of campaigns to reevaluate what is their strategy. If youre going to go all in on iowa and decide youre going to get seventh versus ninth, you might say maybe theres a play in New Hampshire. Theres no question about it. But theres not that many tickets, maybe so hard for the people to come through iowa that i do think that a lot of people are going to be reevaluating. And look, it does Say Something here. The idea that this race is so completely unsettled, that you have two different wars going on. You have one between buttigieg and biden, and theres the one we also thought we were going to have between sanders and warren. Meanwhile, as you mentioned, folks just underneath that tulsi gabbard, by the way, is in fifth place in the state. We could talk about that if you want. Andrew yang. You know what else im curious if you were surprised to see because a lot of people thought when Deval Patrick got in the race, again, neighboring massachusetts, the former governor there, that he could shake things up. Half of New Hampshire voters wont consider him, saying he waited too long to get into the race. Thats exactly right. It was pretty shocking. We worked a while on trying to figure out the right way to ask that question. But heres whats going on on the ground, and i know you know this. When you dpe to these events, folks will say im leaning to one person or im sort of making up my mind, but they have three or four people in their head. And what this poll finds is that they are not even looking to add more people to their head. And they have said they may like Deval Patrick. Theyre just not even going to consider him bah he got in too late. Maybe that why Mike Bloomberg decided im just going to skip the first ones. James. Always great talking to you. And up next, from architect of trumps middle east peace plan to project manager of his border wall, the president s soninlaw, Jared Kushners list of west wing responsibilities just keeps growing. What are his qualifications . Youre watching msnbc. Wish i cod shake your hand. Granted. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Hi. Maria ramirez mom maria Maria Ramirez. Mcdonalds is committing 150 Million Dollars in tuition assistance, education, and career advising programs. Prof Maria Ramirez mom and dad Maria Ramirez to help more employees achieve their dreams. Im finding it hard to stay on a faster laptop could help. plus, tech support to stay worry free. Worry free. Boom boom get free next business day shipping or. 1 hour instore pick up shopping season solved at Office Depot Officemax or officedepot. Com. Nongmo, made with naturally sundown vitamins are all sourced colors and flavors and are gluten dairy free. Theyre all clean. All the time. 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For a free kohler® nightlight toilet seat with inhome quote or visit kohlerwalkinbath. Com for more info. President trumps soninlaw and Senior Adviser Jared Kushner already has a lot on his plate, but now its getting even fuller. The Washington Post reports the president has made kushner the de facto project manager for constructing his wall along the mexican border. According to the post, kushner convenes biweekly meetings in the west wing where he questions an array of government officials about progress on the wall. Including updates on contractor data, precisically where it will be built and how funding is being spent. Building the border wall only adds to all of kushners impressive list of responsibilities. His portfolio includes striking a peace deal between the israelis and palestinians. Taking a lead role on trade policy, overseeing criminal justice reform, modernizing the federal government, and leading the office of american innovation. Which has the broad task of spurring job creation and improving the quality of life for all americans. Joining us now to dig into this, Betsy Woodruff swann, an msnbc contributor, anne gearan is White House Correspondent for the Washington Post. Anne, as your colleagues at the post point out, critics have long said kushners long portfolio of responsibilities borders on the comical, but the white house apparently thinks he can light a fire under a project the president has actually said is moving along but really hasnt been significantly moving along. Yeah, so i think the main role that Jared Kushner is playing here, you know, hes for sure the jared of all trades on multiple fronts and portfolios within the white house. But basically, what he is is a translator. Hes kind of the trump decoder ring for the rest of the government. And i think that is symptomatic of the fact the president has a smaller and Smaller Group of people around him whom he really trusts. And Jared Kushner is one of them. When Jared Kushner convenes a meeting of other government officials and says here is what the president wants, those other government officials know that not only is this actually coming from the president through Jared Kushner, but that it has been filtered and distilled as this is actually really want he wants you to do. Comes as no surprise that the president himself does not run a tight meeting very often. Things tend to go off track. But Jared Kushner can kind of, you know, put a point on it and say, heres what i want you to do. And that is exactly what he has been doing on the wall project, and very specifically hes been telling the customs and Border Patrol and army corps of engineers they need to get moving on filing Eminent Domain claims which is the taking of private property. Im going to stop you there because were going to get to that. Im not surprised sort of given the way the white house works, betsy, and the Washington Post reports this, kushner has clashed with career officials who have questioned some of his ideas. Such as installing web cameras to livestream construction. They went on to write that for their part, former officials have said that kushner displays a lack of knowledge of the policy issues and politics involved in the immigration debate. You have spent a lot of time reporting on the Homeland Security department. I wonder how people there and in some of the other relevant agencies are viewing his leadership of this project . One reason that jareds participation in this project likely doesnt come as a huge surprise to many people in the Homeland Security space is that there has just been a whizzing level of turnover at the very top of the department of Homeland Security. Its actually been an issue for state and local Law Enforcement agencies that look to cooperate with dhs on these vital issues. I have had people who say theyre not even sure who they would call at the senior level of the department were something to happen in their community and they needed to make sure they could get resources or backup from the federal level. So having jared there is consistent with the president s desire first to have someone who supports his idealogical and political agenda, working and running point on the wall topic. And second, with the fact that he hasnt actually found someone who could get through a senate confirmation, who he can install, who shares his political views at the top of dhs. Another important thing to note about jareds work here is this appears to be part of a pr push by the white house. Its been reported that the administration has yet to build or to finish building a single new mile of wall on a part of the border where no wall existed, and thats something that frustrates the president and generates flack for him from his conservative allies on the right who are frustrated about the pace. They have gotten virtually nothing done in the first year and they want to go twbetween n and next november to 400 to 450 miles. You brought up one of the key points. People own some of that land. Theyre having to file all of this paperwork. Almost all of it. Theyre going to have to file all this paperwork. A lot of it is going to get caught up. Is it even logically possible to get that amount done in a year . Or does it really matter . Do they just want to show we have some stuff thats moving along . I mean, they really actually want to do it. I mean, the president is quite sincere when he says he wants to get 400 they think they can get 400 or 450 miles do s in a year . It seems like more than a heavy lift, but yes. At the very, very least, they want to break ground on large sections of new wall. They have built little bits and pieces of new wall, but mostly whats happened so far is the refurbishing of existing structures. And so what the president would be able to do, to at least address the dissatisfaction of conservative pundits and some of his base would be to show the bulldozers rolling on new ground. And that is what they want to be able to do well before the election next year. Yeah, which is why they probably wanted the cameras. Betsy and anne, good to see you both. Have a great thanksgiving. Up next, details of a bleak new u. N. Report on climate calling for drastic action as the only way to stop temperatures from rising to unbearable levels, and an inundation of already rising seas. What warning signs is the government ignoring . Youre watching msnbc. 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Global temperatures are on pace to rise as much as 7 degrees fahrenheit above preindustrial levels by the end of the century. In 2015, World Leaders committed to hold the increasing Global Temperatures to well below 3. 6 degrees fahrenheit. The u. N. Says to meet that goal, Greenhouse Gas emissions must fall by nearly 8 every year over the next decade. Now, if we dont, and heres the bottom line, Scientists Say there could be widespread catastrophic effects such as stronger storms, constant flooding in coastal cities, more intense droughts, unbearable heat that could make large parts of the planet unlivable, and widespread food insecurity. Nbc News Technology reporter jake ward joins us to take a closer look at this. Jake, a nearly 8 cut in Greenhouse Gas emissions each year is something the world has never even thought to attempt before. Is it even possible it could be achieved . What would have to be done . Chris, you know, it is an extraordinarily ambitious target, right . The u. N. Environmental program really saying we have to get to this incredible thing. Its really like you havent been saving money, and suddenly youre right up against it. In this case, were talking about ten years, 7. 6 reduction in our emissions every year. Its huge. The good news, of course, is there is some really concrete stuff that can be done. We actually know how to do this stuff. The u. N. Environmental Program Points out several areas it would like to see. Country be country, heres what has to happen. China, quit building coal plants, argentina, quit doing this. In our case, if we do a better job with power plants, get them to zero emissions and try to deal especially with our cars. Thats the big one. The last time we saw cars, small cars outsell the light truck category, the suv and van catego category, was 2009. Inch since then, small cars have been taking a nose dive, such that right now theyre plans to mag out a bunch of small vehicles you would expect to be good sellers in a age where were coming to grips with climates change. The chevy cruz, the volkswagen beetle, all will be taken off the market next year because were buying more and more suvs, to see a list like that go off the market at a time when its clear we need to do this is a big, big change. I love all those cars, actually. Exactly. Exactly. We can do this kind of thing. But its obvious normal Market Forces are not going to happen here. Buy more efficient cars or buy a car that doesnt need fuel, right . Get electric cars. I see more and more of the plugins in different places where i travel. Yeah. Dont run to the store ten times in a day. Try to carpool, all those things we already know. Are there other concrete things, as people look at this report, they look at the reality, frankly, of this administration. And the fact theyre pulling out of the paris climate accords, that they have done things that actually by pulling back some of the things that the Obama Administration put into place, we have actually been increasing our co2 emissions. What can the average person who is concerned about this do in a very significant way that would really make a difference . Right. I think for me, its this thing of, you know, we can talk about all the bad news. We can certainly talk about the politics. Trump has pulled out specifically in this u. N. Report as having reversed all sorts of good moves that we had been making toward climate sustainability, but i like to think of it, you use the phrase drastic action. We have to take drastic action. The good news is were great at that. Human beings are really good at drastic action. I mean, i dont want to suggest here that war mobilization is necessarily the kind of thing we need to think about or the military buildup is a good thing, but consider between 1939 and 1944 in the face of a real existential threat, the United States went from creating we had i guess about 2 of our gdp was toward military production in 1939. By 1944, almost half of our gdp was in that. We suddenly decided we have to build the tools necessary to take on in this case a threat from foreign powers. Well, we have now an existential threat, not to the planet. The planet will survive, but to us. Our ability to live here, we can take that action. Except as you know there are people in power who dont believe its a threat. You know, i dont know what it is. Whether they just think theres more money to be made somehow, but that for me just signals the failure of imagination in this. I talk to people constantly who are coming up with great ways to do what humans do best, which is package stuff to make money. And it turns out you can package all kinds of Climate Action to make money. I just met someone the other day, the blue forest alliance, that is actually creating ways to invest, literally make an Investment Vehicle out of saving forests. I met another company thats trying to basically create a sort of platform by which forests can advertise their availability to people looking for a Carbon Offset availability. Were great at making money on stuff. We can make money doing this. In that time that i mentioned that we mobilized during world war ii, all of the other Economic Indicators of health went up. We were spending money, living comfortable lives. The United States was doing a great job at the same time we were mobilizing to fight this thing. We can do this. We know how. Lets go, humans. We can make this thing happen. Thats should be our mantra. 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Thank you so much for watching. Its 4 00 in washington, d. C. Where the impeachment inquiry into donald j. Trump barrels into its next phase with the first impeachment hearing in house Judiciary Committee set just hours ago for next wednesday morning. That is the committee responsible for drafting the articles of impeachment based on that investigation conducted by the house intel committee. The judiciary sending a letter today to the president asking if he plans to show up