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They are busy. Okay. Always a guessing game. Ali, oh, my gosh. That one is okay. Good afternoon to you. Good afternoon, im ali velshi. A new era the coming. House democrats are electing their house leadership. Well get an idea what our next congress will look like in the next year and gives us a clear indication what this means for the Trump Administration. While democrats get situated in their new found control of that Chamber Republicans have solidified their power in the senate after a surprisingly competitive race in mississippi, gop senator cindy hydesmith won the runoff solidifying her seat. Its 5347. With me now, Msnbc Garrett on capitol hill. We should learn the results of the pelosi vote very soon. Tell me whats going on in the house leadership vote. Reporter House Democrats moved to a second closed door meeting of the day. They are counting the votes for nancy pelosi to become their candidate for speaker of the house. Its a foregone conclusion she will win this vote today. Shes running unopposed to be the democratic nominee for this spot but it doesnt mean she has the speakership locked up. Some of her opponents from within the Democratic Party said they met with leader pelosi around 12 30. They spoke to her about putting some sort of transition plan in place for the time in which she may not be the speaker any more and came away empty handed. You got some of these democratic rebels if you will that they will still oppose pelosi on the floor despite the fact that its all but certain as soon as these votes are tallied pelosi will be the nominee and favorite to get that title come january. And while there are people who have expressed opposition, nobody has put up a viable candidate. On the other side of congress a dramatic scene this afternoon. Vice president mike pence had to come in to break a tie in a key motion involving yet another controversial judicial pick by President Trump. This time it involved thomas farr nominated to be u. S. District judge in north carolina. Farr has faced a lot of criticism for his previous work in north carolina, defending state laws that democrats say disenfranchise africanamerican voters. Farr is an employment lawyer in raleigh, quote where he has been lead counsel defending clients against Racial Discrimination and workplace violation complaints. Joining me now is elliot williams. He previously served as judiciary counsel to now Senate Minority leader chuck schumer. Elliot, lets talk about this. There was real pressure to not have this judge nominated, but in the end it wasnt enough. Most democrats did, in fact, support him. Look, judicial nominations are a port of orthodoxy for conservatives in way that they are not for democrats. It was wonderful the democrats were able to be united on this. What were seeing is a bigger problem, which is that the left just needs to get excited about judges and until they do were going to keep seeing nominees who have spent their entire careers disenfranchising black people which is what thomas farr has done. This is a bigger issue than one nominee. Its how conservatives have judicial nominations striking at the core who they are. As you see the president and majority leader of the senate have committed to packing the courts with individuals like thomas farr. Well keep seeing this process play out again and again and again until people start get excited about it. Its point of success. The president says promises made, promises kept and we often fact check those. The president has done something were not even sure hes ideologically committed to but the base likes confirming judges at all levels of the judiciary. We saw a Supreme Court justice who should not have been confirmed to the Supreme Court ever given all the baggage he brought with him. So you have there. You have District Court trial court nominees. Think of one individual who had never tried a case. 36 or 37 years old and most interesting thing in his background he wrote novels. Another individual had said transgender children are the work of satan. You are going to keep getting nominees like this given how dug in the right is on parking the court with individuals like this. The responsibility falls on the left. It falls on voters to making judicial nominations a priority and falls on democrats to stay in locked step. This is you know, as i said, i use the point that he devoted his life to disenfranchising black people. This is a bad nominee. Any president is entitled to make nominations that are the best set for the public. But when you talk about civil rights and disenfranchising people Something Else is going on. New york post just disclosed that the president is not taking the pardoning of Paul Manafort off the table. The quote is it was never discussed. Why would i take it off the table. The president has demonstrated hell use the pardon power to effect change with respect to his friends and individuals who are close to him. If you look at Sheriff Joe Arpaio who had a bad record on civil rights, the politicalizing of the pardon process. We would see that here again. Manafort was a close confederate of the president and the president is willing to step in there. Over the last couple of days theres been reporting about manafort in this joint Defense Agreement with other attorneys talking and part of whats going on there is the thought and maybe promise of a pardon is affecting how manafort is interacting with the government and with other defendants and other targets in the investigation. Its quite unfortunate the president is using this power. The other thing because its so unreviewable the president can pardon anybody without many checks on it. Thats the strongest arrows in his quiver and he may pursue it. Thank you very much. Developing this afternoon the secretary of defense is challenging the assessment of the cia and telling reporters theres no smoking gun showing Saudi Crown Prince was involved in the murder of Washington Post columnist jamal khashoggi. For more on this im joined by hans nichols. This is a back and forth, cia seems to think the crown prince did it. We heard Different Things from the secretary of state now secretary of defense has chimed in. Reporter from the secretary of state no direct reporting which is a bit of a hedge and much stronger language from secretary mattis which you said no smoking gun. I want to listen to it here. Its not just what secretary mattis said but how he said it. Have you listened to the tape . No, i cannot understand that language, but i have spent more than enough time in service of our country. I know what grim circumstances can be. I needed to see what was said and i read the translations of what is alleged to be the tape. We do not have the tapes. We do not have the tapes. At least im not aware we do. But i have read the translation twice, the day they were given to me. Excuse me. And i have also read them about two weeks ago, ten days eeg, i reviewed all the intel we had and i will just tell you theres no smoke, theres no smoking gun. Our position has not changed. We expect accountability. No smoking gun connecting the crown prince to the murder . Thats correct. Reporter this is the second time where you see secretary mattis to try to get on the right side of the president. Also sending troops down the border, and just today in a second part when he was meeting with reporters upstairs when he was hosting the Lithuanian Defense minister he indicated the troops could stay in the border longer. They are in constant conversation with dhs. One possible plan put those troops on a rotational basis so you could have a more are permanent basis. They would not be leaving on december 15th. To me thats mattis letting President Trump know he supports him, maybe he didnt, maybe he did. Thanks very much. Were going to have more on this story next including why cia director gina haspel was present at a closed door meeting on Jamal Khashoggis murder. Applebees bigger, bolder grill combos are back. Now thats eatin good in the neighborhood. Discover. O. I like your card, but im absolutely not paying an annual fee. Discover has no annual fees. Really . Yeah. We just dont believe in them. Oh nice. You would not believe how long ive been rehearsing that. 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Nancy pelosi was overwhelmingly nominated to lead her caucus. Excuse me. It can get a little loud around here in these hallways. I do apologize for that. But the upshot here, ali, 32 members voted no on pelosi. So thats about half of the number that opposed her when she ran for leader of the Democratic Caucus last time around. That, of course, when democrats were in the minority. Back then 63 people voted for tim ryan who ran against her. So she clearly has done quite a bit of leg work with the caucus. As you know, shes been saying repeatedly she has the votes to get this done. It does appear shes made significant progress. That said, ali, we pretty much all along expected she was going to win this caucus vote. If something went awry here unlikely she would be the next speaker of the house. Tissue is the vote on the floor. Its the first vote taken in any congress. For those who say they will vote against pelosi is a tough vote. Theres this rebellion going on that met with pelosi today in her office at 12 30. They still insist she doesnt have the votes on the floor. Were still counting some of those final seats and that will dictate the exact number of votes pelosi can lose on the floor, which is around 17 or so depending on our final calls. They claim they have that number of people. One person jumped off. Its kinds of lost a lot of the fire it had initially. She really has proven, again, that she is the best vote counter, probably in the congress, definitely inside the Democratic Caucus. So right now, ali, nancy pelosi on track to become the next speaker. House of representatives. And, of course, it would be a return to that job for her. We were just talking to her earlier. George w. Bush used to call her number three. She expects to receive the same amount of respect from President Trump. Lets go back to the senate side. More drama there. Senator Lindsey Graham threatening to bring the senate to a halt if the cia doesnt brief lawmakers on what happened to jamal khashoggi. The cia director was prevented from coming here today. I have a hard time to get me to vote for us to move forward. Im not, quite frankly, im photo going to be denied the ability to be briefed by the cia. Have you talked to the president . I just did. Senators heard from the secretary of state and secretary of defense this morning on saudi arabia and yemen, but where was the cia director, gina haspel. Senators asked that question a few times. Do you know why gina haspel wasnt there . No. Did you raise that issue . Yes. Was it because the cia assessment was that mbs directed these killings . I dont want to speculate. But nobody was happy she wasnt there. Its outrageous that the senate can be stone called from hearing from the cia director. I have respect from the secretary of state and defense but i dont need them to characterize the information of the cia and the intelligence community. I need to hear it directly. Tells me volumes about what really is going on here. The most persuasive presence in this briefing was the empty chair, a chair that should have been occupied by gina haspel. We were told it was at the direction of the white house she not attend. Pompeo was asked why the director wasnt there. Listen to his response. Why wasnt the current cia director here briefing senators as well . I was asked to be here. Here i am. Senators were from frustrated. Normally as cia director you would be here briefing senators. Why isnt the cia director here herself . I was asked to be here and im here. I was asked to be here and im here. Thats the secretary of state of United States of america. Thats his response to why his predecessor the cia director wasnt there today. The cia released a statement on gina haspels absence saying while she wasnt there they already briefed the Senate Intelligence committee and congressional leadership on the totality of the classified intelligence and will continue to provide updates on this important matter to policymakers. The notion that anyone told gina haspel not to attend todays briefing is false. Senators heard the latest on the saudiled war in yemen. Th there is a bipartisan bill backed by two men, Bernie Sanders and mike lee. They argue the humanitarian crisis in yemen, the worst in the world needs to be addressed now and that the u. S. s involvement in the world is unconstitutional. Kelly, great to see you again. You know, because of jamal khashoggi, the american involvement in the war in yemen has come in to much sharper relief and a lot of americans are realizing its not simply at that at any time support for saudi arabia in whats a proxy war, the United States is more involved in whats turned into a humanitarian disaster. I think thats right. Frankly the Obama Administration and Trump Administration sort of made a bet on saudi arabia in this war and i think that bet hasnt been paying off. Under the Trump Administration in particular its been a blank check. And i think now congress, as a result of the khashoggi murder, but also because of the circumstances in yemen which are extremely dire are asking appropriate questions about the level of u. S. Military support to the saudiled war and those are appropriate questions that should be coming from the article i power. We pulled back a little bit. America said its not refueling Coalition Jets midair. Saudis put out a weird communique they dont want americans to do it. But there are british bombs involved. What does the law say about this . These two senators say were not we have not authorized american participation in what is essentially a war. Yeah. I think theres a lot of debate frankly over whether or not the administration has the Legal Authority to be conducting this kind of military support to saudi arabia. Theres, of course, an ongoing United States counterterrorism effort that does have solid groungd in the law but theres an open debate which you see reflected in senator sanders and senator lees resolutions that questions whether or not they have the Legal Authority, Constitutional Authority to provide that support under existing law. Thats whats driving it. To be honest, taking a step back there are bigger questions of whether or not the United States should be complicit in a war where our interests are not aligned with those of saudi arabia, especially at a time when saudi arabia seems to be taking increasingly reckless course under the crown prince. Its down it with qatar and now yemen. Yemen is interesting because it represents something much larger. You called it a death match with the people of iran. President trump constantly talks about iranian influence in the region and the damage that can do. But, in fact, this is an example of saudi influence in the region and the damage it can do. Thats right. Frankly the saudiled war has been a gift, frankly, to the iranians. So i think were kind of caught in the middle of this sectarian divide and have been more many years. The question is whether or not the United States should be caught in the middle of that. Where is our interest as it relates to yemen, iran and saudi arabia. Should we be out sourcing our interest to the kingdom at this time. Coming up Home Ownership the core of the American Dream. Black americans consistently find that the homes they owner undervalued. The repercussions this has on communities from schools to businesses. A new nbc exclusive, were live on the floating u. S. Naval hospital treating hundreds of thousands of venezuelan fleeing the crisis gripping their homeland. U. N. Officials say by next year more people will have fled venezuela than wartorn syria. Youre watching msnbc. We have the power to make a difference, right now. We have the power to make sure everyone has clean water. To provide access to education for all. To rid the world of aids, once and for all. We have the power. To choose to include. To create clean energy. To raise capital. And be fearless entrepreneurs. To understand different perspectives. We stand behind all our partners working to make a difference. What would you like the power to do . As we try and recover from Home Ownership rates that were decimated in the last recession lets look how race can strict the upward mobility of africanamericans. Since 1940s Home Ownership is a corner stone to the American Dream. It provides a sense of security but builds wealth in the form of equity. Through the mid20th century local governments and Financial Institutions used a practice known as red lining. They would literally draw red lines around black neighborhoods that would lead tofuer municipal services, lower home values, much greater difficulty in getting mortgages. In theory that all ended. A study from the Brookings Institution found neighborhoods that are at least 50 black have an average, an average 23 lower home value. Now this is an interesting calculation. Its done del. Devaluation is measured against comparable neighborhoods. Looking at the home value, the difference between neighborhoods with at least 50 black populations versus with those fewer than 1 . It looks at structural characteristics. It looks at neighborhood amenities. You end up comparing apples to apples, not just talk about bad houses in bad neighborhoods and good houses in good neighborhoods. Homes in black neighborhoods are undervalued by 48,000 on average. Thats a loss of 156 billion in home value for millions of americans, mostly africanamericans but others who live in areas that are more than 50 africanamerican. Brookings looked at 113 different metropolitan areas. They looked at a whole bunch of different areas that had 1 majority black neighborhoods and compared home values. All the purple circles you see here are areas of devaluation where majority black neighborhoods have lower home values than other neighborhoods. Theres some green circles, not many but a few green circles which are areas of appreciation, majority black neighborhoods have higher home values than nonmajority black neighborhoods. The majority black neighborhoods in florida in the vero beach area have higher value compared to other similar neighborhoods but there are many more areas where its the other way around. The starkest contrast is lynchburg, virginia where black majority neighborhoods there have home values that are 81 lower than other neighborhoods. The absolute home value almost totally wipes out the value of the highest appreciation in the study which is the Sebastian Vero beach area. Im joined by derek hamilton. Thank you for being with us. This is sort of core to our understanding of why it is harder to build wealth in black america because were not the wealth is not being built which means its not being transferred to later generations. Where somebody who had a house in an area that was not devalued four generations ago and been passed down from generation to generation thats harder in black families. Thats spot on. I like to point out the way wealth is created, its wealth that begets more wealth. If we have a scenario being in a black neighborhood, after controlling for everything else, the values of the home are less then thats something thats structural that isnt related to any behavior. Its simply related to a demographic such as your race which is problematic. How much of that is racism, where some people dont want to live in those areas and how much of it is structural because it becomes a vicious circle where these Property Values are lower so different types of businesses dont go in there and, you know, it preys on itself. Whats the answer . Andre perry and his colleagues were very careful in their study to isolate the impact of race. And then the question that you just asked is how did we get here . I think its interesting to note also in their study we have ample evidence theres housing discrimination in terms of which houses blacks get shown in the real estate market. Theres also ample evidence of lending discrimination. Those things have been documented, and, you know, one problem with this measure, the best way to detect outright discrimination is simply through audits where you send in a white representative and a black representative and see how they are treated. Barring that, this is strong evidence that theres something discriminatory going on in the ways in which blacks are steered towards house. At least legally we dont have red lining. During the recession black people were charged higher Interest Rates on their mortgages because they were black. In theory we tried to do away with a lot of these things. Do you think this is changing for the better because if it doesnt change africanamericans will be way behind in Wealth Creation for decades to come. Do i think its changing . The way for it ultimately to change is if blacks are able to get economic might in the same way whites have. If there was a comparable scenario of Wealth Distribution then some of these issues of discrimination and targeting would be mitigated. It kind of leads back to how we began this segment when we talked about wealth begets more wealth. Its wealth that gives you choice in agency. Wealth gives you options where you dont have to go to a certain realtor or go to a certain bank. Its usually when you dont have wealth you dont have choices and youre limited in what products and prices and lending instruments are available to you. Hopefully more can come out of this remarkable study thats been done and it illustrates things that many people knew. Thank you. We talked about humanitarian crises in other parts of the world. Venezuela, United Nations says that in a few months more people will have fled that country than have fled wartorn syria. The country has the Largest Proven Oil reserves in the world. And its used money from oil exports to import food and other products. Oil revenue has declined significantly in venezuela because of Falling Oil Prices but mostly because of gross government mismanagement. It has led to a humanitarian cris crisis. Colombia says 2,000 venezuelans have died this were from malnutrition, malaria and transmittable diseases. The United States Navy Ship Comfort is docked off the coast of colombia on a mission to treat thousands of men and women and children who were left helpless when venezuelas medical system collapsed. Kerry sanders got exclusive access to the ship and joins us now. Kerry, one of the people treated by the staff on the comfort was a young girl who had a growth on her eye. Thats an example of what they are doing there. How is she doing . Reporter shes doing incredibly well. Its a powerful story. Im standing in a parking lot and this is where some of the refugees who made their way over the border from venezuela into colombia are now living including little 3yearold emily. If they are not sleeping outside they are sleeping in former storage sheds or bathrooms. The family in this one has allowed us to come in. Were not intruding here. This is home, as i come in here and put my arms out and you look down here. This is the home six family members who have been living here for eight months since they left. You mentioned that ship, the comfort. Let me take off the coast here and as we take a look at the comfort, what the comfort is doing, it is positioning itself in a location where the u. S. Can have its helicopters come to shore and they have prescreened individuals, including and now well take you to little young emily. Young emily who lived in one of these little case that were talking about here, one of these little sheds, she had a growth on her eye and was taken out to the ship and when they got her to the ship they were able to in about a 15 minute operation remove that growth from her eye and now you may wonder to your self this cost as lot of money. The United States has a ship here. Why are we doing this . Thats one of the questions i put to those on board. We have 4 million in medical supplies in these programs for patients here. I believe the entire exercise is around 33 million. Thats part of the overall u. S. Outreach. [ inaudible ] hard for notice answer that question. As far as medical care its good. For emily, shes here with her mom. You can take a look. The operation has been completed on her eye. Shes here having fun with her other friends painting. Of course, now, her health is okay but the future is the big question. And ill just ask her real quickly [ speaking Foreign Language ] she wants to live here. She wants venezuela to improve so she can some day return and ill just ask her [ speaking Foreign Language ] so there you go. Hope remains strong and especially after having the opportunity to have some doctors here. You know, what happens sue have a humanitarian crisis and colombia has been very accepting up to 2 million or 3 million, letting them to come in to the country with open armg it puts strains on the social system and the social system is food, medicine, schooling. Were here with save the children. One thing that save the children does with the United States is they actually get money to save the children and then distributes in installments so at least they have what amounts to about 300 a month so that they can survive. But surviving in many cases means sleeping here which really was a car lot. Kerry, thanks for your great reporting there. Kerry sanders off the waters of colombia. 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His book winners take all the elite charade of changing the world. He argueses in which the elites have done so much to help they continue to hoard the wealth. Anand giridharads is the author. This version, this conversation happens a lot. It happened yesterday when we announced, talked about General Motors closing its plants. And the idea that tanch American Worker has seen corporate profitability increase. Theyve seen gdp growth. Theyve seen unemployment numbers fall. And yet they dont feel like theyve gotten a share of the profits. You know, yesterday was giving tuesday and the reality in this country, although thats a wonderful, laudable thing to celebrate, virtually every other day of the year for many years has been a day of taking. Take by those at the very top of american life. When we look around society and many viewers youll notice rich and powerful people, its hard to walk down the street without bumping into rich and powerful people who say they are making things better. They do social enterprise, impact investing. But when you look at the numbers that you indicated that the fact this is the most unequal time in 100 years. The angriest time in memory. And social mobility in this country nonexistent. The American Dream is real in the world but not in america. You have to face the fact that all of this elite generosity and helpfulness is really a mask and its a mask for a system that they stand on top of, that is designed to benefit billionaires, benefit ultrabillionaires and leave most americans behind. They use the language of giving back, saving people. It all sounds great. And have fooled many of us in the media into giving these people a kind of glow as saviors when we should be asking them why they have built, maintained and continue to operate and juice a system that is callous and cruel and shuts most people out of realizing their dream. Is it just america . Isnt it going on around the world . People are figuring out its not for them. The tax cut was designed for the wealthiest but there was a charade everybody was going to get richer and everything we thought would happen, would happen. Companies took the money, didnt repatriate the money and factories continue to close. We keep falling for the same lie or maybe keep perpetuating the same lie. The reality is we believe certain things in this country about ourselves. Im not here on tv trying to sell the country my values. Im talking about values that 60 , 70 , 80 of americans would say it is their values. You should get in life what you merit. No child should be penalized for the misfortune of not living in a multimillion dollar home. No childs education should be based on home size. That frankly people who work 40 or 50 hours a week should be able to eat in a reliable way. We know Food Insecurity is up 40 in america. Part of what i wanted to tell americans with this book, and this book is focused on america although some of it is global. This is not about were not who i want us to be. Were not who we say we are. Were not who we tell the world we are. This has happened under the cover of an age of disruption, an age of tech is going to make everybody their own entrepreneur, just download an app and become an entrepreneur. Instead what weve recreated an upstar upstairs, downstairs, a caste system. The secret to getting ahead is being born ahead. The secret to going to a Great University is your parents went to a Great University. The liberating tools of the age have ended up promoting a consolidation of power that actually exceeds consolidation of wealth and 30e, 40 ears agye. They consolidated that power under the elite, the well educated, the wealthy. We just did a segment on how africanamerican houses are devalued versus houses in white neighborhoods. That means they are not getting ahead and that wont get fixed any time soon. Ill push back on what you said. People with power and money are very powerful by default because they have power and money and its easy for them to start an organization or lobby. Citizens who dont have a lot of power or money can be way more powerful when they gettogether, when they organize, when they have moments. The blue wave you saw not just because it was blue but because people got together. And so one of the things weve seen throughout history is the powerful are able to overwhelm the power of the majority when the majority doesnt care, doesnt know a lot, doesnt know whats going on, doesnt know how the game is being played against them. The powerful tend to overwhelm, the people tend to overwhelm the few when they get involved and get informed. What were seeing in this country i think donald trump will have a very bifurcated legacy in this country. Donald trump in some ways is going to destroy institutions and norms that are going to take years to repair. Our standing in the world, our norms of civility at home. But i think a second legacy of donald trump that he did not intend is the reactivation of citizenship in this country. What about those citizens who voted for donald trump or maybe would have voted for Bernie Sanders who also feel that theyve just been left out. They may not feel the same way as africanamericans whose homes are under valued or gay americans who dont feel theyve got rights or women who dont feel like theyre getting equal pay or immigrants who are being shunned at our borders. But they also feel left out. They did their jobs. They worked in factories. The factories closed. Theyve got opioid crises and theyre mad, too. Did they fit into that group of people who get angry and say we want to take our power back . In that movement, there are two streams of people feeling left out. One has to do with racial and demographic change in this country and a feeling that was once only mine now has to be shared. Im less sympathetic to that as a correct feeling, although i do believe the fact that a lot of people feel that means we have to deal with it and cant just wait for them to get over it. The second set of issues are that a lot of his voters, not all of them. And he had more affluent voters than hillary on average. Some did experience some of those same economic headwinds. And i think what we have to say to them is, again, the reason you are angry, that part of the anger at least, is a sense of unfairness. A sense of things being rigged. And youre right. Youre right. And donald trump, to his credit, spoke to a feeling that there was a group of out of touch people who spoke of having the peoples backs but didnt. But like many people donald trump said, the first 5 was true and the remaining 95 was full of lies. And i think its very important for the democrats, as we start to think about 2020 two years ahead is to start thinking about who, in this age of populism and of people feeling shut out, who can you run against this president who doesnt just say those things or have those policies but whose being suggests an alternative to the rigging. I would suggest the Democratic Party consider someone whose net worth is less than a million dollars. That sounds like a joke but running multimillionaires against a phony billionaire is not the best plan. Weve got some this time. Weve got some people who dont earn a lot of money who ran for office and who won. Maybe theres something to that. Anand, im looking forward to a much longer conversation with you. For those of you in philadelphia, anand and i are going to have a conversation on friday morning thats going to be a fuller, longer version of this. Thank you so much for being with me. 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So two key points here as it relates to the russia investigation. These sources also telling me that the questions he answered were related to the russia piece of the investigation. The question about russian meddling and not about obstruction, for example, ali. The sources also telling me the president answered those questions to the best of his recollection. Now another development at this hour, according to these sources, and this is something that the New York Times broke earlier today. I am told that an attorney for Paul Manafort has briefed the president s legal team, essentially part of a Defense Joint agreement which we knew existed several months ago, on some of the conversations with special Counsel Robert Mueller. That related to the president. The president s case. The president s legal team. So two big developments coming out today of the white house about the special counsel investigation into russian meddling and looming over all of this, the fact that that plea deal with Paul Manafort and the special counsel deteriorated, broke down with mueller accusing him of lying. And that has raised a lot of questions about whether the president would pardon him. The president himself saying moments ago in an interview with the New York Post that thats not off the table p. Thank you for your reporting on this. Kristen welker at the white house. A quick look at those markets. The dow going to close 2. 5 points higher going up as we speak. This is on news that the Federal Reserve chair, Jerome Powell, the president s pick, has said that Interest Rates are nearing neutral. Once you get to neutral it means theyre not too high, not too hot, not too cold and the fed will stop raise interesting rates. Hes sending a signal to the markets that theyre getting near that point. Doesnt mean there arent more Interest Rates coming but thats the closing bell. The dow closing about 2. 5 points higher. That wraps it up for me. Thank you for joining. Deadline white house with Nicolle Wallace starts right now. Hi, everyone. Its 4 00 in new york. Stop me if youve heard this one before. The president of the United States might be obstructing justice in plain sight. Again. Donald trump revealing in an interview today with the New York Post that a pardon for convicted felon and onetime Trump Campaign chairman Paul Manafort is, quote, not off the table. A pardon for manafort might strengthen an obstruction of justice case against the president if the special counsel could show that the pardon was intended to impede the investigation or ensure manafort he could lie to the fbi even after agreeing to cooperate. Its a line of inquiry the special counsel is pursuing at this hour. Todays c