Worry, thats so silly because its somebodys version of the truth, not the truth. He didnt have a conversation truth is truth. I dont mean to go no, it isnt truth. Truth isnt truth. Truth isnt truth. Its an ironic phrase that comes as the New York Times revealed that Donald Trumps white House Counsel, don mcgahn, cooperated extensively with special counsel Robert Muellers inquiry. The times published a separate report saying trumps lawyers do not know what mcgahn told mueller during 30 hours of interviews. After mr. Mcgahn was initially interviewed by the special counsels office in november, mr. Trumps lawyers never asked for a complete description of what mr. Mcgahn had said according to a person close to the president. This hour trump will move off topic. Any moment hes going to take the stage for his event being billed as a salute to the heroes of the immigration and Customs Enforcement and customs and border enforcement. Lets start the hour with geoff bennett. Geoff, over the weekend, the president brushed off the report on twitter saying that he allowed mcgahn and all. Others to fully cooperate with the special counsel. What message are they pushing today . Reporter well, theyre pushing that same message. The administration is backing up the president on his assertion that he has nothing to hide following this revelation that the white House Counsel is cooperating extensively with the special counsel. Of course this really followed the strategy espoused by the president s first team of outside attorneys. Remember, the president said time and time again he wanted the russia probe to wrap up quickly, so ty cobb and john dowd took him at his word that he did nothing wrong and really suggested this open book strategy. The other things that don mcgahn as a government attorney who represents the office of the presidency and not donald trump himself really had no choice but to cooperate and answer questions truthfully. Those questions that were posed by investigators. Had he not chosen to do so, mueller certainly could have compelled him to do it. So you hear the president , you hear Rudy Giuliani, you hear Top Administration aides all make the point that don mcgahns cooperation wont pose a problem for the president. Of course we dont know that to be true until mueller finishes his work and issues this report to congress. It sounds like giuliani isnt sure what the testimony was about. Giuliani continued to make headlines yesterday. One thing he said is about a shifting story about the 2016 trump tower meeting. What happened there . Reporter well, he completely misrepresented the record surrounding this now Infamous Trump tower meeting between don junior and the Upper Echelon of the Trump Campaign and the russian lawyer and other russian advocates. Take a look at what he said. The meeting was originally for the purpose of getting information about clinton. The meeting turned into a meeting someone said i have information about your opponent, you would take that meeting. If it happens to be from the russian government . She didnt represent the russian government. Shes a private citizen. I dont even know if they knew she was russian at the time. All they had was her name. Oh, my. Reporter now, remember, the president and his allies initially said that meeting was all about russian adoptions. Rudy giuliani just there said the meeting was really about getting bitter on hillary clinton. The russians didnt provide it so we werent interested. Thats a huge moving of the goal posts here. The other thing, to say that the Trump Campaign didnt know what the meeting was about, well, remember, the subject line of the email setting up the meeting that don junior accepted was russia clinton, private and confidential. I think giuliani is just having fun with us all just to see if he can spin us around in circles. Geoff, good to see you as always. Geoff bennett for us at the white house. All of this stuff, what does it mean for special counsel Robert Muellers investigation . Joining me now, elliott willi s williams, in the Justice Department under president paum and nick akerman, special watergate prosecutor and now a partner at dorsey and when it no whitney. Let me start with you, nick. In the end mueller has what mueller has and we are probably seeing the top centimeter of that iceberg. So what do you make of this whole mcgahn talked to mueller for 30 hours . I think thats quite amazing. Because we dont know what was said. It sounds like trumps lawyers dont know what was said. And i know the press has been playing this up as part of what mcgahn knows about the obstruction of justice. You know, which is true with respect to the firing of comey, what happened with flynn. But i think what everyone is missing here is that also mcgahn was privy to statements by trump that relate to the underlying crimes. Correct, right. So that to me is probably the most significant part of this, because once mueller has what trump said to mcgahn and then is able to juxtapose that and compare it to all the other evidence that hes developed, we dont know where thats going and it doesnt sound like it could be going very well for the president. Elliott, a lot of things we dont understand. Don mcgahn is the white house attorney and he has said before that his job is to protect the presidency, not necessarily the president. But the white house didnt assert executive privilege on him talking to muellers team 30 hours. I dont know how much of that is taken up by logistics or ill get you this file next tuesday or whatever. What do you make of this news . If you look at the New York Times article, theres dispute within the trump camp as to assert executive privilege or move forward. Setting that aside, to me the big issue here is that you have someone with a Corner Office in the west wing ultimately having to lawyer up and decide what degree of personal liability to take against a president that ultimately might have thrown him urn under the bus. This is an incredibly difficult position. Youve got to decide which law firm youre lihiring. And even staffers that are enabling this madness every day are having to make a serious calculation about what kind of risk theyre willing to take on for themselves, their career, families and futures as they might be sukbjected to liabilit. Nick, the New York Times has a quote about how trump really may not have an understanding of what mcgahns role is. In fact mr. Mcgahn laid out how trump tried to ensure control of the investigation giving investigators a mix of information both potentially damaging and favorable to the president. Mcgahn cautioned to investigators that he never saw mr. Trump go beyond his legal authorities, though the limits of executive power are murky. What do you make of that . Well, first of all, there is no Attorney Client privilege here. Why is that . Because its not his personal attorney. Mcgahn is not his personal attorney. Theres also no executive privilege here because this doesnt relate to National Security, it doesnt relate to diplomacy, it doesnt relate to topsecret information. This relates to a criminal investigation, which is not covered by executive privilege. So they could have claimed it, but it wouldnt have gone very far. Certainly mcgahn didnt want to be caught in the vice where trump was going to throw him urn under the bus. The New York Times quotes Elliott Burke saying they dont quote them, theyre saying mr. Mcgahn and mr. Burck feared that mr. Trump was setting up mr. Mcgahn to take the blame for any possible wrong doeg so they embraced the opening to cooperate with mr. Mueller in an effort to demonstrate that mr. Mcgahn had done nothing wrong. Its all fun and games until you realize that someone ha youre working with and need to trust to get the work done of the American People might be wearing a wire or as we learned last week, might have a tape recorder in her purse. These folks to some extent cant do their jobs effectively if theyre constantly having to look over their shoulders because of the risk that the president has put them under and the mess that they have created of their own doing, starting from the top of the white house. Nick, you and i have often talked about Rudy Giuliani and whether hes helping or hurting the cause. His conversation with chuck todd about what did or didnt happen on that june 9th meeting, look, none of us need to be lawyers, experts or investigators. We know what we know and that is that there was an email that states this meeting was about what it was about. So for giuliani to say otherwise, whats he trying to achieve here . Its totally crazy. The email was very clear it was about russias efforts to help trump win his election. The fact that it was talking about adoptions doesnt help. That relates to the magnitsky act which relates to sanctions which was likely the quid pro quo that the russians wanted in return for helping the campaign. They wanted the sanctions dropped from magnitsky and the ukraine invasion. They wanted all of the sanctions gone. So for Rudy Giuliani to dance around that and say, oh, adoptions, adoptions is the code word for sanctions. What does sorry, go ahead, elliott. Well, it was a remarkable interview yesterday morning because of the number of falsehoods that Rudy Giuliani gave. A big one being that they have to stop this investigation somehow immediately before september 1st or else theyre going come down like a ton of bricks. Theyre misleading the American People about that fact. I know i dealt with this when i was a u. S. Attorney. Nothing stops the Justice Department from continuing investigations through an election season. It just so you dont get scared by the ton of bricks thing . No. Its not just that, the Justice Department shouldnt issue indictments or take public actions during elections season but they dont go dark and stop doing their work between september and november. Theyre misleading people as a means of throwing people off the scent. You can win the pr campaign but that doesnt mean that youre correct on the facts and the law. Simply using the mayor whos a former United States attorney and doj official to mislead like that, its hard on the American People. Guys, thank you so much. Elliott williams and nick akerman. We are on verdict watch in the first trial for the special counsels investigation. The jury in the trial of Paul Manafort has now been deliberating for more than 20 hours. Theyre in their third day of deliberation. The jury first got the case of the former Campaign Chairman last thursday morning. So far they have sent two notes to the judge and one of them was to ask to go home early on friday afternoon. Pete williams is at the alexandria courthouse for us. Any news, pete . Reporter none. But, you know, i wouldnt place too much into trying to figure out what this means at this point. Think of the numbers here. This was almost a twoweek trial in terms of the governments presentation. Something like 340 separate pieces of evidence, more than 22 witnesses, 18 criminal counts. So if the jury is going to be fastidious about looking at all the charges and looking at all the evidence and trying to figure out what it means, you would expect them to take at least this longer to render a verdict rather than simply going into the verdict room and saying, well, what do you think, is he guilty or not guilty on each counti . They want to talk about it, look at the evidence. This is a relatively complicated fraud case. So you have to assume they are doing a job. I think about sitting down inside this courtroom for i think it was two weeks, maybe 20 days, it just seemed like 20 days for the verdict in the trial of zacarias moussaoui. There were a lot of documents involved and the documents were presented as evidence to the jury. They didnt get a chance to go through and go over them. Also thats what they have been doing in deliberations . Thats a very good point because one of the things that the prosecution hasnt liked about how this trial unfolded is normally when you introduce an exhibit, you ask to publish it to the jury, meaning its entered as evidence but can i show it to the jury now . And the judge kept saying move along, you showed one of them, you dont need to show them all. So to some extent this is the first look that the jury has had at many of these actual exhibits so you have to assume this was going to take some time. I hat tip to nick akerman, i didnt realize everything wasnt reviewed by the jury at the time so that does explain some of the time as taking, Pete Williams at the courthouse in alexandria, virginia. Coming up, nearly 200 former intelligence and military leaders issue a strong message of opposition to the president s removal of former cia director John Brennans security clearance. Is the president setting a new precedent . Im going to talk to someone who says trump isnt the king. Ahoyhoy. Alexander graham bell here. No, no, my number is one, you must want two two, i say like my father before. [telephone ring] like my father before. Ahoyhoy as long as people talk too loudly on the phone, you can count on geico saving folks money. Fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. If your moderate to severeor crohns symptoms are holding you back, and your Current Treatment hasnt worked well enough it may be time for a change. 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Introducing chase ink business unlimited with unlimited 1. 5 cash back on every purchase. The bipartisan outcry over President Trumps decision to revoke former cia director John Brennans security clearances is growing louder. Today 175 Top National Security officials added their names to a statement put out by a group of retired Intelligence Leaders last week saying trumps decision was politically motivated and an attempt to stifle free speech. It includes anthony lake, sean okeefe, admiral james tavridis. Their goal is to send the message that donald trump is not a king. The president essentially has accused mr. Brennan of the crime of criticizing the monarch, tantamount to treason. This relic of the days when kings were deemed divine remains on the books in some european monarchies as well as nations like saudi arabia, where a critique of the crown is considered terrorism. The writer of that piece, joins me now. He also wrote legacy of ashes and enemies, history of the fbi. Also with me is mary mccord. She was one of the people who sien signed the letter supporting the statement made by the former intelligence chiefs. Mary, tim writes on friday in the oped that the letters are designed to send this message to donald trump that hes not king. This is more than people thinking the president is petty and vindictive, the question is if the president gets away with this, there are a lot more roads that are open to him. Well, i think it does it would set a very bad press denti precedent, as you indicate. It sends the message dont speak out publicly, dont criticize me, dont cross me, it sends the message to people who are in government doing their jobs, dont cross me. Dont do anything that could harm me. And thats very damaging to our government, its very damaging to the rule of law. And i think what youre seeing today with this letter after the other letters over the weekend is a very large group of former National Security and Law Enforcement professionals from both sides of the political spectrum joining together to say this isnt right. There is rule of law. There are processes, National Security clearances are important. People who do the National Security work and Public Safety work in this country have important jobs to do and its not a clearance is not something that should be used as a threat to get your way. Tim, in your piece you write the president aims to rid the government and the air waves of his real and imagined enemies, especially anyone connected with the russia investigation. Somewhere Richard Nixon may be looking up and smiling, but above ground the special counsel is taking note. Im sorry, this is from the oped. Richard nixon may be smiling, but the fact is he might also have been smiling at barack obama and george w. Bush, all of whom pushed the envelope a little on president ial and executive authority. There is a danger to letting president s continue to do that. And this president in particular, ali. The walls are closing in on donald trump. Hes growing more erratic, more angry, more frequently rage tweeting at 4 00 in the morning. What if we get in a real crisis . Should this president be obeyed if he does something dangerous, issues unconstitutional orders . What do the adults in the room like generals kelly and mattis do in that situation. Do they bow and scrape or do they say this is unconstitutional. I am throwing down my stars, i will not obey you. We may come to this, and we may come to it sooner than we fear. Stand by, mary and tim. Lets go to the president who is speaking now. Thank you very much, everybody, thank you. Thank you very much. Thats really for i. C. E. , i have to tell you, thats not for me, thats for i. C. E. Please sit down. Were here today to salute the incredibly brave patriots to keep america safe, the heroes of i. C. E. And cbc. To everyone here today from immigration and Customs Enforcement, customs and border protection, i want to let you know that we love you, we support you, we will always have your back, an i think you know that. I want to thank a true and loyal friend of i. C. E. And cbc, our wonderful Vice President , mike pence. Thank you, mike, beautiful. Thank you, mike. Stand up, mike. Stand up. Great, mike. Great job. I want to share my profound appreciation for our wonderful secretary of Homeland Security, kirstjen nielsen. Thank you. Thank you. Great job, youre doing a great job. Not easy. Weve got some good immigration laws, youd really set standard but weve already broken every record in the book, so thank you very much. Everyone here today understands a vital truth, that america is a land of opportunity because we are a nation of laws. For america to be a strong nation, we must have strong borders. Helping to lead that effort are great patriots in the audience today including our new acting director of i. C. E. , ron fetella. Wheres ron . Stand up, ron. Thank you, ron. And the commissioner of u. S. Customs and border protection, kevin mceline. Kevin, thank you. The new chief of the u. S. Border control, the first woman ever to hold the job, carla provost. Carla, congratulations. Congratulations, carla. And our new acting Deputy Director of i. C. E. , matt albence. Thank you, matt. Thank you. Were also grateful to be joined today by a really wonderful friend of mine and a tremendous senator, and thats david purdue. David, come on, david. Youve done a great job, david, we really appreciate it. People of georgia appreciate it, i can tell you. Thank you very much. Many state and local partners are represented in the audience, including Arizona Governor doug doocy. Thank you, doug, for being here. Great job youre doing. A wonderful man, Alabama Attorney general, steve marshall. Steve, thank you very much. Thank you. A friend of mine, South Carolina attorney general, alan wilson and sheriffs from all around the country. Thank you, alan. Thank you. Sheriffs, thank you. Say hello to your father. Most importantly, let me extend my gratitude to every Law Enforcement professional representing i. C. E. And cbc, enforcement and removal operations, Homeland Security investigations, i. C. E. Prosecutors, the office of field operations, air and marine operationing as and border patr. Youre incredible people, you do an unbelievable job. Youre not appreciated enough, but i tell you what, 99 we get it. We really get it. We love you, well always be with you, well never let you down. Thank you very much for being here too. Over the last year some incredible numbers. I. C. E. And cbc seized more than 2. 8 Million Pounds of illicit and deadly narcotics. A lot of people would have died. In the interior of our country, i. C. E. Offices arrested over 127,000 criminal aliens, and these are tough ones too, arent they, fellas . These were tough ones, including those charged or convicted of 48,000 assaults, 12,000 sex crimes and 1,800 homicides. We need strong people to handle those people. We dont play games, right . We dont play games. Every day on average cbc prevents ten known or suspected terrorists from entering the United States. What a job youve done. To protect our nation from smuggling, trafficking, drugs, crime, the men and women of dhs are building the border wall as we sit and the wall is getting longer and taller and stronger each and every day weve spent and will soon be spending about 3. 2 billion and were looking about 5 billion for this next coming year. Were building the wall, step by step, and its not easy because we have a little opposition called the democrats. I guess they just dont mind crime. They dont mind crime. Its pretty sad. Just this past month, cbc officers at a single port of entry discovered more than 30,000 fentanyl pills, 62 pounds of meth, thats a lot, and lesson poun11 pounds of heroin. Two of those officers are here. Alfredo and david. Where are they . Theyre right here. Stand up, please. Alfredo, david, thank you for the amazing job youve done. We all appreciate it. Everybody in this room, everybody in this country. Just over a week ago a human smuggler was arrested in laredo for locking and really locking a horrible 78 illegal aliens inside of a trailer. The Border Patrol agent who caught the accused and likely really saved many lives, hes here with us and adrian, wheres adrian. Adrian is here with us. Thank you, adrian. Great job. Thank you. Thats a lot of lives. Thats great. Adrian, come here, i want to ask you a question. How did you come here. Youre not nervous, right . Speaks perfect english. Come here, i want to ask you about that. 78 lives. You saved 78 people. So how did you feel, there were people in that trailer. Please. He didnt know he was going to do this, but its just of interest. First of all, thank you for allowing me to come from laredo on behalf of Border Patrol, thank you as well. It all started that day i had a can alert. The vehicle was referred to secondary and once a vehicle is referred to secondary or a tractortrailer was referred to secondary, the vehicle proceeded to elude and flee the checkpoint. Shortly after the vehicle was stopped at approximately the 30 mile marker, which is a mile north of the checkpoint. Subsequently i went out there and i ran the dog, conducted a nonintrusive search of the vehicle and once again the canine alerted. Subsequently i opened the little latch on the back of the tractortrailer and heard a lot of subjects. I quickly asked for backup and backup got there and the subjects were transported back to the checkpoint and all of them were in good health. Fantastic job. What a good job he did. What a good job. Now, you know tomorrow hes going to be hes like that so much. He didnt know he was going to do this. Tomorrow he will be announcing that hes running for office. Good job. 78 people saved. Thank you very much, adrian. Last month under operation eagle shield right here in the d. C. Area, i. C. E. Officers arrested 132 illegal alien, including criminal aliens charged or convicted of rape, battery and strangulation. Among those arrested okay. You get the gist. Youve been listening to President Trump. He gathered top members of his administration, including the Vice President , the head of Homeland Security for an event labeled as a salute to the heroes of immigration and Customs Enforcement. Im joined by the former director of i. C. E. And was acting director of Homeland Security and is with frontier solutions. Still with us is mary mccord. John, thanks and welcome to you. What do you make of this . I think we have to put this into context. Weve created a situation in which the president has sort of drawn a line between he says he loves all Law Enforcement and he clearly doesnt. There are elements of Law Enforcement in this country that he doesnt like, but he has decided that i. C. Empte. And br protection are places that he highlights. He draws a line like i support these people and democrats dont or the public doesnt. Thats what concerns me the most. Was it just me or was the president using the wrong acronym. I kept hear him saying cbc and not cbp which is many ways is telling. The kind of cases theyre describing are good cases. These are the cases that i supported. What concerns me is the partisan nature of this. Theyre trying to turn this into a wedge issue, which doesnt benefit i. C. E. Or any Law Enforcement agency long term and only makes it harder for them to do their job. In that vein, there are a lot of people, including democrats, who have decided that i. C. E. Is no good for us. Its not important. That it is the tip of the spear of Donald Trumps immigration, divisive immigration policy. Do you share that view . Not at all. Every single day i. C. E. Is doing incredible work. Under the obama administration, they were focused on getting criminals off the streets. There are dangerous criminals in this country unlawfully. At the same time, people dont realize i. C. E. Is focused on saving children from sexual exploitation, prevent the export of arms to iran and north korea. Busting up drug cartels. They played a Critical Role in the arrest of chapo guzman. Thats the work that everybody supports. The president realizes its probably in his best interest to make it a wedge issue going into the midterms and its going to be i. C. E. Who pays the price. This hinders their ability to do their job and work with big cities like los angeles, chicago, new york, who the mayors say you cant be seen working with i. C. E. Because theyre an arm of this administration. Mary, the president does like to frame this, as john said, within the confines of a natural security debate, so in his mind thats what i. C. E. Is doing, they are protecting National Security and thats something in his mind that democrats dont seem to be that interested in. To the extent that i. C. E. Does do work in the interest of National Security, how does this narrative manage Going Forward . So National Security really shouldnt be a partisan issue the way that the president just was making it in those introductory comments. I was surprised in particular to hear him say democrats do not mind crime. You know, before i was at doj in the National Security division, i was 20 years in the d. C. Attorneys office. I worked with very fine i. C. E. Agents throughout my career doing a wonderful job not only supporting Public Safety but National Security. I worked under president s of both republican and Democratic Political parties and never was it an issue of whether democrats support or dont support Crime Fighting or border control. I think the issues that weve seen coming out recently, and today of course in the remarks we just heard, again, i agree with john, were focused on the positive stories that many of us would rally behind, but some of the issues, the forced separations, of families and other policies that have created rifts between immigrant communities and Law Enforcement in those communities, thats never good for Public Safety and thats why i think so many mayors and so many cities have come out even litigating to try to make sure that they can protect Public Safety, that they can have trust with the communities that they serve. You know, some of the policies that weve seen in the last year and a half really undermine that trust relationship. Mary, thanks for your analysis. Mary mccord siengd tgned the le and statement about revoking John Brennans security clearance. John sandwig is a former director of i. C. E. Thanks to both of you. Up next, a stunning letter from pope francis apologizing for the coverup of sexual abuse in parishes across pennsylvania. Why he says the church showed no care for the little ones. And whats going to change . Youre watching msnbc. And now is the best time to buy. You ready for this, junior . Yeah, i think i can handle it. No pressure. Thats just my favorite boat. Boom. laughs make summer go right with ford, americas bestselling brand. And get our best deal of the summer zero percent financing for sixty months on f150. Get zero percent financing for 60 months plus 2,800 bonus cash on a 2018 f150 xlt equipped with 2. 7l ecoboost. Gimme two minutes. And ill tell you some important things to know about medicare. First, it doesnt pay for everything. Say this pizza. [mmm pizza. ] is your part b medical expenses. 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Pope francis wrote we did not act in a timely manner realizing the magnitude and gravity of the damage done to so many lives. We showed no care for the little ones, we abandoned them. He went on, it is essential that we as a church be able to acknowledge condemn with sorrow and shame the apraus trees perpetrated by ske crated persons, clerics and all those responsible for watching over and caring for those most vulnerable. It was found more than 1,000 children were sexually abused by predator priests and the church covered it up. For more on this, im joined by nbcs anne thompson. Anne, we have been talking about this for a week. Do you have a sense of how the letter is being received by those people who were victimized or really shocked by the report . I think in both camps its a mixed reaction. I think people are very glad that the pope came out and addressed it and did so in a pastoral way but people are also disappointed that he didnt outline how the church will prevent this from happening again. Among the things i have asked people, its like, okay, what do you want to see . What can the pope do . First of all, open up all the files. Get all the bad news out. Wash this sin away. But that has been something the church has been reluctant to do. In large part because they fear the lawyers. They fear the lawyers coming after them and coming after them for money. So there is that issue. The next issue is, is there going to be zero tolerance in the entire church, not just in the u. S. Church . The bishops here think that has worked fairly well and zero tolerance means if theres one credible allegation against you, youre out, thats it. Everything gets reported to civil authorities. That has not been adopted by the global church. The pope alluded to that in the Statement Today that he made saying that i am conscious of the effort and work being carried out in various parts of the world to come up with the necessary means to ensure the safety and protection of the integrity of the children and the vulnerable adults as well as implementing zero tolerance and ways of making all those who perpetrate or cover up these crimes accountable. He goes on to say we have delayed in applying these actions and sanctions that are so necessary, yet i am confident they will help guarantee a greater culture of care in the present and future. The other thing that the pope does not say is what happens to the bishops who covered this up . Now, they serve at the pleasure of the pope. Only the pope can force them out of office. Is he going to do so . What does he say about those bishops . So its you know, theyre happy in some cases but disappointed in other ways. Does the pope get any points for being somebody who paints outside the lines a little bit . Hes done that in many other issues. Quite frankly, hes been a little flatfooted and more than a little flatfooted on the issue of abuse. He is so compassionate and he has put mercy at the center of his papacy. And yet when it comes to abuse, he just seems not to know what to do. Today is a very, very strong statement saying, yes, we acknowledge this is wrong, we acknowledge its a problem, we are going to do something about it. The question is what is he going to do. Weve got this report from pennsylvania, but they look very much like reports weve seen around the world. Ireland where hes going on saturday, australia, honduras, chile. This is not just an american problem, a northeast problem, this clearly is a systemic problem in the catholic church. Anne, thanks for your reporting on this. Anne thompson. The impact of the block buf buster crazy rich asians. Youre watching msnbc. 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It brought in 34 million in the five days since its release. Its the first romantic comedy in three years to open with more than 20 million on opening weekend. The excitement is about more than just money. This is the first film in 25 years backed by a major studio starring an allasian cast. Thats huge for a demographic that according to a 2017 study from usc held less than 6 speaking roles in films. People took to twitter. One sequence won the hearts of the web. It tells the story of growing up asian in america and starts with this tweet. Youre 8 years old. Your third grade class orders chinese food and your father delivers it. Youre so excited to see your father. Hes your he re. But apparently other kids dont think hes so cool. They laugh at him and mimic his ak tent. Its halloween and two students come to class dressed as asian tourists. They have taped their eyes back, strapped cameras around their necks an chukd up peace signs. Offensive, you say no. Youre 25 years old, you see a movie with an allasian cast in a screening and for some reason youre crying and you cant stop. Youve never seen a cast like this in hollywood. Everyone is beautiful. Youre so happy youre chinese. Full circle for kimmy yim, asian voices editor at huff post. Kimmy, thank you for coming. Thank you for having me. Many have your experience or something similar to it. A lot of people didnt have exactly that experience, maybe their cultural background was different but they understood what you were talking about. The power of seeing yourself or your family or your heritage or your jokes on camera. Yeah, absolutely. I mean, i think what i really wanted to get across is that, you know, we talk about representation matters. We can say it until were blue in the face. Theres a reason why it matters. I mean, so much of what, you know, how we perceive other people is influenced by the media and entertainment, and then how we perceive ourselves is influenced by media entertainment. So theres actually its backed up by research. There is a concept called symbolic annihilation and that term was coined i think back in 1976. It kind of basically means if youre not reflected in media, if youre not reflected in this fictional world, your existence is not validated symbolically. And so i think thats what so many of us asianamericans growing up really felt, that we didnt know, you know, did we really are we really valued . Did we really matter to society . And so there are realworld effects to this. Yeah. So the world makes us feel a certain way and what happens is what happened in those tweets. You start kind of hating your heritage. You want to shed your identity. And then later on in life when you do meet kind of a diverse for me meeting all different types of asians at college you talked about the fact right. You met people who wondered why you didnt speak the language. Exactly. Or eat the food. Exactly. For so long, you know, i was like im eating Grilled Cheese and my favorite thing ever is going to be pizza and im not touching that fish you made, mom, im just not doing it. But then you go to college and you realize that asians dont arent these stereo types and tropes you see on tv. Theyre not nerdy. Thats not all there is to us. We dont fit in a box. Theres cool, like sleek people. There are funny people. There are also nerdy people. There is just such a huge diversity. But certain demographic, if not widely represented in movies, become stereotypes in movies. So there are asians in movies. There are African Americans in mainstream movies but theyd like to be shown in the completeness that a movie like this shows, other roles. Absolutely, authentically. I think for so long im sure you remember long duck dong. Even in our recent memories, i dont know if you remember the jesse waters segment yes, down in chinatown. Yeah, it was a very offensive, and it drew from so many different, just terrible stereotypes. But thats how people really saw us for so long and its because there wasnt a diverse cast of asians like this, like from crazy rich asians that was ever on the big screen. I mean, we really needed to see it. In 1976 you were quoting george gerbner. Absence means symbolic annihilation. Kimmy, thank you for making this a great movie even better experience. Thank you so much for having me. Kimmy yim is the huff post asian editor. The husbands proclivity to attack on twitter. Youre watching msnbc. Here comes the rain. [ horn honking ] [ engine revving ] whats that, girl . [ engine revving ] flo needs help . [ engine revving ] take me to her coming, flo why arent we taking roads . flo. [ horn honking ] oh. 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Heres a sampling of his offering. Has anyone looked at the mistakes john brennan made as cia director . Hell go down easily worst in history. Since coming out hes nothing but a loud mouth political hack who cant be trusted with the secrets to our country. Special words for special Counsel Robert Mueller whom he called disgraced and discredited and referred to his Prosecution Team as a team group of angry democratic thugs. Yesterday donald trump called the New York Times failing and once again, referred to the press as the enemy of the people. Last week he unloaded on former aide Omarosa Manigault newman. This is an interesting one. When you give a crazed crying lowlife a break and give her a job at the white house, i guess it just didnt work out. Good work by general kelly for quickly firing that dog. And then theres the attacks on attorney general jeff sessions. Football players who take the knee during the national anthem. Hillary clinton, former fbi director peter strzok, former fbi director jim comey fbi agent peter strzok, by the way. Arizona senator jeff flake, former president barack obama, many, many more. When asked about the contrast of the first ladys campaign and her husbands twitter attacks, mrs. Trumps spokesperson said she is aware of the criticism but it will not deter frher fro doing what she feels is right. Ill leave you with that. That brings us to the close. Ill see you on the beat with ari melber. Deadline white house with Nicolle Wallace begins right now. s hi, everyone. Its 4 00 in new york. It may go down as white House Counsel don mcgahn and his attorney bill burkes thelma and louise moment the day the New York Times reported the president s lawyer in the Mueller Investigation, that would be ty cobb and john dowd were heard chatting about documents mcgahn had locked in his safe. We now know it was in that moment based on brandnew reporting from the New York Times that mcgahn made the fateful decision to become a sul summoned ongoing witness in the Mueller Investigation into russian collusion and obstruction of justice. From that block buster report we learned don mcgahn spoke to mueller in three voluntary interviews with investigators that totaled 30 hours over the past nine months sharing detailed accounts of the episodes at the heart of the inquiry into whether President Trump obstructed justice, including some that investigators would not have learned of otherwise. The president responding to the times bombshell in a 14tweet tirade that is ongoing and includes his most hysterical