Coverage of national and international news, including breaking stories. Coverage of national and international news, including breaking stories. We have to keep the majority. If we do not keep the majority, all of this goes away. Lets start in berkeley heights, new jersey, where the president begins his 11day working vacation. Thats where we find kelly odonnell. Good to see you. Last night giuliani said there were things that werent yet public About Mueller or potential wrongdoing and then today trump ended that tweet with stay tuned. What do you know about what we are waiting for . Reporter well, this has been an ongoing campaign, kasie, from the president s legal team to bit by bit discredit the investigation so that particularly trump voters and those in the Republican Party would give it less weight as things go forward and at the same time its also been about dragging out the really big ending game question. Will the president participate in any way submitting to an interview with the special counsel. That could have been answered long ago, perhaps, by simply
saying that the lawyers dont think its a wise idea. They will freely say they have grave concerns about it. But instead of doing that, they have taken time to try to narrow the scope, discuss the terms, look at in Person Versus written questions, all these different variations which have dragged this out. And now theyre sort of dangling the idea that there is more to discredit the investigation and the people who have played a part in it. But we dont yet know what the specifics are. As you point out, the president today tweeting this illegally brought, rigged witch hunt run by people who are totally corrupt or conflicted. So all of those loaded terms wrapped in there. 17 angry dems toward the end which is his reference to staffers on the Investigative Team and stay tuned. The president , of course, has said he wants to tell what he knows, he wants to clear his name. His lawyers have said they understand that he wants to do that, believing that hes got the kind of personality and the ability to convey that. When they talk perjury trap, they say that if the president
tells his version of events, and they say those are accurate and they conflict with someone like james comey, for example, that prosecutors could determine that there is a conflict here that must mean that the president is not telling the truth. Therefore, charge him if you will, although you dont typically charge a sitting president , but put out a report that says he has been untruthful and has committed perjury. This really has a political end game, as you understand. It goes to congress in the form of a written report from the special counsel, and thats why the midterms are so important. If democrats are in charge, we might have an idea of which way they would take it. If republicans hang on, they would try more than likely to protect the president based on what we know today. And certainly thats what devin nunes was suggesting not so subtly in that. Exactly. Now to the Insider Trading charges against President Trumps first ally in the congress, new york congressman chris collins. Last night collins went in front of the microphones and vowed to
when President Trump was throwing out the possibility of who to pardon, he mentioned Martha Stewart and it would be for a similar crime. This is of course his first congressional ally in the congress. It is his first congressional ally in the congress, but i think its so important for us to understand that the pardon power is not a power that president s are meant to wield on behalf of their friends and families. The pardon power exists so that the Chief Executive in our government can do justice. For instance, during the Obama Administration when congress amended sentencing policies to treat people who had been convicted of Crack Cocaine Offenses the same as folks who had been convicted as powder cocaine offenses, that Sentencing Change Wasnt Retroactive and so president obama used the pardon power to create fairness for all people who had been accused of those crimes, whether it was Going Forward or looking backwards. What were contemplating here is
usually the government is permitted to have a representative, either an agent or in this case the government asked if their irs expert could remain in the courtroom and the judge said sure, thats fine. He apparently had a memory lapse or something that caused him to think that the government was trying to pull a fast one on him and he admonished them in front of the jury. And heres why thats problematic. Juries bond with judges. They begin to think like judges. So to hear the judge calling the government out could definitely prejudice the jury against the government. The judge did the right thing here. He considered the governments motion, walked back in and told the jury that what the government had done was okay. It was sort of a lukewarm apology. I think we have to say he said i havent reviewed the transcript, but i think i was wrong. But that, i think, is enough. The important takeaway here is that the government at the close of the trial when the judge instructs the jury on the law, the government will be looking for an instruction where the judge tells the jury, you should
ignore any comments that ive made during the trial, anything that ive said about the facts is not binding on you. You are the finder of the facts, i am the judge of the law. Do not consider my opinions in reaching your conclusion. The government, i think, is setting up a very forceful case to make sure that that pretty standard Pedestrian Instruction is included in this judges comments to the jury before they deliberate. Jacob, quickly before we wrap up, the one word ive learned ei never knew before is black robitis. Youve worked on many many complex financial cases. Thats clearly Whats Going On in this case. They have laid out everything pretty clearly and it does seem as though while the case may not be completely airtight, it certainly is significant. No question about it. The case that were seeing against Paul Manafort is a classic tax case. Really any problems with the case really tie out to how the
government has been trying to put the case in and may be overtrying it. Also having been a federal prosecutor with independent counsel and lived through one of these animals is there really is that fear in some respects in that first case to make sure you do Everything Possible to win the case. What you have here is a judge whos trying to make sure this case is being tried as fairly as possible. Unfortunately, thats not to the liking of any of the lawyers. Tricky. Jacob frankel, joyce vance, thank you for your insights today. Coming up next, its an Out Of This World announcement by the white house. It is not enough to merely have an american presence in space. We must have american dominance in space. And so we will. The United States space force, a new space wars fighting branch of the armed services. So whats its mission . Well ask former secretary of
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look at this is former secretary of the air force, deborah lee james. She oversaw the air force Space Command during her time at the pentagon. Deborah, thanks for being here, really appreciate it. I want to show you a little bit more of what Vice President mike pence had to say about why we need this. Take a look. Previous administrations all but neglected the growing Security Threats emerging in space. President trump stated clearly and forcefully that space is in his words a warfighting domain just like land and air and sea. As President Trump has said in his words it is not enough to merely have an american presence in space. We must have american dominance in space. And so we will. So youre familiar with our capabilities as they exist currently. What are we doing right, what are we doing wrong, and do we need what the president is proposing . Well, i will tell you, first of all, that there is no space
faring nation that is more powerful and advanced than the United States and the u. S. Air force so we are doing a lot of things right. The Vice President is correct that in recent years our potential adversaries have been testing and investing in ways that could threaten us in space. So the challenge is to always continue to stay ahead as we are today. I do not think the president s proposal for a separate branch of the military to stand up a Brand New Space Force is the way to go. I think it will sap time, attention away from what we need to. It seems like an awfully quick timeline, 2020, to build up an entire new branch of the military. Would that even be feasible . Well, it could be feasible, but the question is will it be workable . Will it be a smooth, welloiled machine . And i think the answer is no. Anyone who thinks such a large transformation and creating a whole new separate branch of the military is going to be quick or
easy needs to think again. It is going to be long, drawn out. I worry that the bureaucratic thrashing that will go on will just take away from the more important issues, which are how do we improve war fighting capability, how do we do new technology investments. There is a history in the United States of civilian cooperation for certain space projects, the International Space station. We have had joint ventures with the russians, chinese. How does that fit into this newer, more adversarial view of Whats Going On in space . As you point out, we have always had scientific civilian endeavors that we have done jointly and we continue to do those with russia. But when it comes to National Security space, which is the domain of the United States air force, the nro, this is separate and apart. And here is where we do not have cooperation, certainly nothing close with the russian military. They are a potential adversary. Do we think and ive been talking to some of my sources about this, who mostly have been
cracking many jokes in my inbox about it more than anything else. But is there any chance congress would support Something Like this . Its a huge, new Expensive Branch of the military. In theory, theres the National Security arguments you lay out, but it seems to me like it will have a tough road. I think it will have a tough road. I think it does have some support in the house of representatives. You may recall that they proposed a space corps which had similar properties. Not the same, but similar. I think the senate will question it very strongly. I always come back to the very simple question, what is the problem youre trying to solve, and will a reorganization do it for you . The main problem is war fighting. Military services do not do the war fighting in this country. Those are done by combatant commands and unified commands. They are the ones who do strategy, concepts of operations. For people who arent intimately familiar, that means a group of separate group together of different segments
of the Military Force . Thats right. Its a joint approach and it is all about how do we do a strategy for actually conducting the military operation. I would note that the president s report today did call for the standup of a new Space Command, which would focus on war fighting. I happen to agree with that, an that would be a relatively easy situation because space is currently controlled by stratcom. So stratcom would do nuclear, Space Command would do space. And that would be like centcom people might have heard a lot about. Deborah lee james, thank you for your insights today, really appreciate it. Thank you. Coming up next, the race is on. How many seats will democrats have to win in novembers midterms to take control of the house . Steve cokoernacki reveals the mc number. One year after charlottesville, the stars of Black Klansmen talk about the
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polarized country right now, a very tribalized country in a lot of ways. So that number 23 in some ways is very feasible when you look at history. When you look more at sort of the paralysis, the political paralysis, you say maybe it will be tougher for democrats. So we partnered with nbc digital to take a fun closer look at that quest that democrats have for 23. 23. 23 is the number we have to be thinking about. Because this is the number of seats democrats need to pick up if theyre going to win back the house in november. Now, they can definitely get there, but its by no means certain theyre going to be able to. So the question is, is there a blue wave coming . So for democrats to get those seats, there are a lot of places they can look around the country. But theres one type of district that really stands out. Its the 25 districts across the usa that republicans hold that were also won by Hillary Clinton in 2016. So what were saying is that the democrats need 23 seats. And they do have 25 prime targets, and there are some more seats outside of this they could pick off too. But the biggest problem, even if all of the ingredients are there for democrats in this age of polarization, there just may not be as many targets as there used to be. So there are 25 obvious targets for democrats, and there are dozens of others that they are working furiously to try to flip. But theres a wild card factor. In 2016 all of the polls spelled doom for donald trump, but he won anyway. In 2018, could we be in for another surprise some. And again, thats a little snippet of the fun we had. There are 25 republicans in districts that already Didnt Vote For Trump in 2016. Thats the first line after tack for democrats. But you saw in ohio 12 this week, thats certainly not one of those districts. There are other possibilities for democrats they are trying to put in play, places where trump
won narrowly, places where trump won seven, eight, nine, ten points. It was 11 in ohio 12. Back to you, kasie. Steve kornacki, thank you. I do think my sources are telling me theres some surprising districts that we may find, Pete Sessions district down in texas, Kathy Mcmorris rogers now potentially a tossup so we could be in for some surprises on election night. Our thanks to i love those left field productions. Thats really cool you got a chance to do one. You can see more of that at the nbc left field youtube channel. Youtube. Com nbcleftfield. Up next, an election mistake cut kris kobachs lead in half in the gop primary for kansas governor. It could go to a recount. If it does, kobachs office is the one that would handle it. He says he wont recuse himself. The states former governor weighs in on that, up next on msnbc. Know what . No, what . I just switched to geico and got more. More . Got a company i can trust. Thats a heck of a lot more. Over 75 years of great savings and service. You cant argue with more. Why would ya . Geico. Expect great savings and a whole lot more. As a practical matter, the Secretary Of State doesnt actually do anything in the counting of votes. All of the provisional votes are counted by the 105 counties. The secretary of States Office just sort of sits there and watches. At the end of the day receives the tallies from the counties. So if i recuse myself, it wouldnt really make any difference. It would be purely spol ymbolic joining us now is former health and Human Services secretary kathleen sebelius, currently ceo of the Strategic Firm sebelius resources. Its great to see you, madam secretary, thank you for being here. I want to ask you, first of all, about the State Of Play in your home state as you see it today. There has been a lot of discussion about what happens if in fact mr. Kobach wins the gubernatorial primary and raising the question of whether or not democrats might actually have a shot at getting elected
as kansas governor again. Well, kasie, first of all, nice to be with you. Secondly, were looking very closely at the primary results. Great news for democrats. We have a strong nominee who in a multiway primary race got over 50 of the vote. Laura kelly, sitting state senator, is well positioned to be a terrific candidate. On the republican side, as you said, we either have Sam Brownbacks longterm lieutenant governor, his secondhand guy who was responsible for a lot of the economic downturn, cutting schools, cutting taxes, doing a number of things that sent the state into economic freefall or kris kobach, who is now nationally known as a strong antiimmigration, voter restriction, regressive
politician who has been under Court Sanction and actually sent Back To School by a judge. So either one of those individuals, i think, is not going to be a very attractive nominee for kansas. We know a strong woman can be elected in kansas. I served two terms, was elected twice in this state. I also got elected twice statewide as an insurance commissioner, so this is not hyperbole to say democrats who are pro choice and strongly positioned can win a seat in kansas. Its been done very recently and laura kelly is really well positioned to do that. The other thing i heard your other report about the 25 seats that are top i think we have a map that we can put up there or at least some results. That was very close. You can see here 2016 Hillary Clinton won by 47 to 46 . You think this potentially could flip . I think it absolutely could flip. And we have a terrific woman, native American Lawyer candidate who has fought her way. Were not used to primaries as democrats, but weve had so much interest in people stepping up and wanting to serve and run for office that weve had primaries up and down the ticket. Charice davids is a terrific candidate and shell be well positioned to take out an incumbent in that district. We also have an open seat that is not as likely well, trump won in 2016 the seat but our candidate is an enormously popular candidate who ran for governor, narrowly lost to Sam Brownback and had no primary. So paul davis is positioned to
run in the 2nd. So we have two seats here in kansas that easily could be flipped. Do you have any concerns that the democrat youve nominated might be too progressive . Although, i do know kansas in many ways has been on the leading edge of Progressive Politics for many years. Well, thats true. I think that the myth is somehow this is a backwards state. I would tell you that this is a state founded by abolitionists. It has great civil rights laws, human rights laws. Women, when laura kelly is elected, she will be the third democratic woman governor in the state. There are only 28 states that have ever elected a woman governor. Weve had women serve up and down the ticket in all offices, so kansas is, i think, very much at play and im very encouraged by the turnout in the election, by the candidates who were chosen, and well see how long it takes to sort out which bad
republican ends up at the top of the ticket, but i can tell you either one of them has a record that isnt in line with where kansas voters want to go. Kathleen sebelius, thanks very much for your insights today. Appreciate it. Thank you. Still ahead, puerto ricos government has quietly acknowledged that the number of people who died because of Hurricane Maria is more than 20 times higher than first reported. So why are we just finding out now . Thats next. For investors. Introducing zero account fees for selfdirected brokerage accounts. And zero minimums to open an account. We have Fidelity Mutual funds with zero minimum investment. And now fidelity has two index funds with a zero expense ratio. Because when you invest with fidelity, all those zeros really add up. So maybe ill win saved by zero
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coalition to conduct a thorough and transparent investigation into the incident. At least 100,000 people have been killed in the threeyear war. Up next, the untold story of a black man who infiltrated the ku klux klan. After the break, ali velshi talks race in america with the stars of the film black klansman. Charlottesville, virginia. Charlottesville and parts of Northern Virginia will be under a State Of Emergency this weekend. The organizers of last augusts rally unite the right will mark the day with a rally in washington, d. C. After being denied permission to march in charlottesville. A Counter Protest is also being planned. My colleague ali velshi sat down with the stars of black klansman, a new movie examining race in america. Here is alis conversation with john david and tofer grace. It seems every day we see headlines like this, and this, and this. And all these. And it was a year ago this month that this overt racism in our country was most egregious and its as these headlines are unfolding that spike lees newest movie is premiering. Its called black klansman. Its the story of the first black detective in the 1907s. He successfully Infill Freighted the local chapter of the kkk. Youre sitting there thinking how does that happen . You have to watch the movement i to see that. Joining me are the two stards of the stars of the movie who plays john stallworth. The movie opens august 10, j. D. People are watching this interview who havent seen the movie and thinking, wait a second, a guy you play infiltrated a local branch of the kkk in Colorado Springs . Right, right. Unbelievable, right . Piece of american history, and its not common knowledge. I was offant awant aware of it. I attended a historically black college. This slipped through the cracks. I was surprised with this information. I got deeper into it and i realized how impactful it could be as a film and im excited to be part of it. You play david duke which has to be tough for you after that film has aired and people see you and look into your face. People dont know david duke,
the klansman who has resurfaced now reese endcently in politics. You play him as an easy character. He doesnt seem demonic, he seems like a nice guy who just wants a whiter america. That is the problem with david duke. That is what makes him so much more evil than what the idea of a racist was before he came on the scene. Same thing kind of happens in the movie. Yeah. When my character enters, there is kind of the first half of the movie they show what maybe the common idea of a racist. The prototypical idea of a racist. Beer belly, red neck dude. And then he came on the scene and his evil genius as he kind of rebranded racism, and the effects are still being felt today. Rebranding racism is an interesting concept. There is a poll from last month where people were asked, is donald trump a racist . 49 said yes, 47 say no. Thats close. Its close, right . And this is kind of interesting because, you know, trump spike lee said this wasnt meant to necessarily be social commentary about trumps america. Its really hard to not see the parallels. Well, i mean, its sort of history of hate, hate language. I feel like the rebranding, if you will, has been going on. Birth of a nation was rebranded. David duke was a resurgence birth of a nation was shown in the white house by woodrow wilson. There you go. These things have been happening and the resurgence of such organized hatred, were seeing it from the birth of a nation, david duke who made it sort of normal to speak these words and institute hate, which is more dangerous to me because youre making it so normal, it does president seem like its coming
from an angry place. That is an interesting to your point, your character to david dukes character. There is anger and then there is the idea that there is something going wrong with our culture, that but for the infiltration of in the case of the movie, blacks and jews, everything would be fine. I did a lot of research on this character. I read his autobiography called my awakening, which is kind of like his version of his me mein kampf. He was on donohue in the early 80s. On that show he used the term a couple times. He said America First and he said make America Great again. Wow. And watching that from 2017 when we were right before we were shooting this movie was really eye opening. Because the point being make America Great again by being an america that isnt, i think the language of the movie, polluted
people can read into that phrase whatever they want. Another nbc poll from may, this is more interesting. It says is there racism in america . 64 say yes its a problem. 30 say its not a major problem. And i guess the point is its not about whether twothirds 1 right. Who is who . Are they in the bronx asking these questions . Thats my point. Thats an interesting thing. The film does an interesting job portraying in this case Colorado Springs at that time from both white and africanamerican perspectives. If you started to look at that and you think about the racism that existed back then, how do you sort of overlay that to today . I think theres still, you know, the same people who would say things havent improved that much for us. For me, ive been saying this a lot, too. What i get out of this film, to answer your question directly, is the language. This lexicon of hate. And you see that its really not
antiindicated. Its prevalent today. Ron stallworth, i got to talk to him a lot. He said he would use these trigger words that sort of invited hate. Thats how he was able to start his sting operation. You portray that well. These two guys are in conversation and how you can say the things people think. Again, back to the david duke thing which i think is really an interesting and understated part of this movie, that is that david duke wasnt driven by words that you necessarily associate with those klansmen. Its like he had a more sophisticated approach to racism, which is maybe the kind of racism we have today. This movie should not be more relevant today, which it is, than when it takes place. Gentlemen, thanks very much for being part of this movie. It opens august 10th and its worth a watch. John david washington and tofer grace. Black klansman in theaters august 10th. A fascinating conversation to wrap it up for us here this