His comments were aimed directly at president bill clinton, amid the Monica Lewinsky scandal. And if these comments prove anything, its that hypocrisy in politics is alive and well. That will wrap things up for me this hour. Kasie hunt is back with us for the 3 00. Kasie, i dont know what mike pence is thinking when he stares adoringly at the speak as the president speaks, but i wonder if any of that is going through his head . Reporter lets just say that some of the behavior that we have, has been alleged against this president , is not necessarily anything that the mike pence that i have covered for many years would have ever approved of. Katy, its nice to see you. You too. Iam kasie hunt in for ali velshi. Rick gates, former Trump Deputy Campaign manager, and manaforts longtime business partner, has just concluded his testimony and for the first time in the trial, were hearing about manaforts time with the Trump Campaign. Gates is cooperating with the special counsels office, after pleading guilty to lying to investigators and hes not holding the back. He just confirmed previous reporting by nbc news that Paul Manafort promised a friend of his a job in the trump white house. For more on this, were going to go now to ken dilanian, nbcs National Security and intelligence reporter. He is, again, outside the courthouse for us. Ken, tell us a little bit about what these revelations mean in context to the case and what do we expect this afternoon . Reporter that friend, kasie, is a man named steven caulk, and hes a chicago banker with, and manafort is accused of defrauding his bank as part of a 16 million loan. Yet manafort was trying to get him a job as the secretary of the army in the Trump Administration, and there was an email introduced into evidence from december of 2016. This is well after Paul Manafort had left the Trump Campaign and after donald trump was elected president. And the email referenced the no . Reporter yeah, this is huge for them. And it looks like its going terribly for manafort. Theres a mountain of evidence against him now, and it seems like their only chance is to somehow impugn rick gates. But even if they do that and even if the jury discounts everything that gates has said, theres a host of other evidence, including manaforts own tax records and the testimony of his accountants and bookkeepers about these foreign bank accounts, where he had millions of dollars that he didnt pay taxes on, kasie. Reporter ken dilanian in alexandria, virginia, thanks for keeping an eye on it, what seems to be a fascinating courtroom to be in. Thank you, as always. For more on this trial, i want to bring in glenn kirschner, a former federal prosecutor who spent his 30year career here in d. C. Glenn, rick gates has not been shy about saying, look, these are crimes that i committed. Hes even gone out there and said, i told these prosecutors about crimes that i committed, that they didnt even know about before we sat down. What whats the best outcome Coverage of national and international news, including breaking stories. Of this. Surprised its not a more colorful term, to be perfectly honest with you. But perhaps there is one you cant say on tv. Occasional, we use more colorful terms, but not here. Glenn kirschner, thank you so much for your time and your insights today. Really appreciate it. Turning now to ohio. Quote, we need change. The words of a democratic voter in ohios 12th district. The last special election before novembers midterms. This area was once solidly red, but the Political Climate might have changed enough to flip this district blue. And the results have major implications for both parties. President trump has campaigned for the gop candidate, state senator troy balderson. Trump won the state by 11 points less than two years ago. But the president s support could now be a big liability. Thats because the democratic candidate, danny oconnor, has panted himself as the moderate in the race, and this is an area that former president ial candidate john kasich, a fierce trump critic, once represented. As politico sums it up, anything short of a 5 to 7point win over upscale suburbs tend to be college educated, whitecollar professional class. This area is a third of the population, a third of the vote is going to come out of this. Right here, this small area. This is the blue part of the district. And its become really, really blue, because of donald trump. You see, trump lost it by nearly 20 points to Hillary Clinton. That was a huge change. He ran the president ial election here in this same area in 2012. It was almost a tie. Obama won by a couple of points over romney. Absolutely exploded in the age of trump, so this is the epicenter of Democratic Energy here. That sort of suburban resistance to donald trump. That is the story here. Take a look outside of that area, in a little bit of the suburbs up here in delaware. But take a look, you know, the rest of the district here, its the exact opposite story. You are talking about blue collar, tends to be a blue collar, noncollege whites, you know, rural in some cases, small cities. Talk about zanesville here. Heres a perfect kpamexample. Talk about the trump surge in places like this, this county, overwhelmingly that they needed to turn out to vote, but that republicans, quite frankly, didnt, and that some of those attacks on Social Security and medicare issues had been working with seniors. What are you hearing on the ground . And what effects did trumps visit have there . Thats another thing these sources told me that, they really needed him to just make sure everybody was aware that they needed to go vote. Reporter yeah, kasie, prior to trumps visit here, i think you saw a reversal of what would be the normal midterm dynamic, where republicans tend to be a lot more dialled in on midterm elections than democrats are in this special election. Democrats were fired up in this one from the word go, and republicans needed a reason to get behind their candidate, troy balderson, who has been a state senator here for some time. Hes got a lot of experience, but has been a bit of a lackluster campaigner. He hasnt exactly set the world on fire. The trump visit here did help republicans in that sense. It galvanized their voters a little bit, got them to make sure they were paying attention, and make sure they could connect balderson, who they only sort of care about, to trump, who is the core of the Republican Base right now. Whether that had the flip side effect of amping up democrats a little bit more is tough to say. Theres nobody in this district certainly that ive talked to who was somehow on the fence about donald trump before that visit. But the president has galvanized voters on the left, too, and what will make this left or break it, will be whether the president s existence, whether the way he and washington, d. C. Have operated over the last year and a half has turned off enough of those mitt romney republicans or conservative democrats, who dont typically vote, and got them out to the polls. I talked to some folks like that earlier today. Heres what ive been hearing. Its kind of, i dont know, embarrassing, i think, for all of us to see the kind of shenanigans that are going on at the highest level of government right now. This is really more about sending a message, you know . The republicans have to wake up, you know . If theyre not if theyre not going to be a break on this guy, then we vote for the other side. Im really not happy with the way politics are going in our country right now and i really believe we need to change. Reporter so kasie, with the cavi caveat that its all anecdotal, what seems to be connecting with voters in this district is running against washington. That worked for donald trump in 2016. Danny oconnor seems to be the candidate who has captured that energy now. We will know tonight, hopefully, whether he captured enough of it to be the first democrat to represent this district in his own lifetime. Hopefully, indeed. Steve kornacki, if youre still with me, can i get a little preview of how the nights going to look . I know were all excited to see you at the big board, but what is one place . If were looking at one county, one spot on the map as a leading indicator here, where should we be watching . Yeah, look, i think delaware county. This is just north of columbus here, about a quarter of the vote is going to come out of it. That was a bad number for republicans. Republicans should be winning that by a lot more. This is where trump came and had that rally over the weekend. If the republicans in balderson is in trump territory here or even worse, thats a very bad sign for republicans. Delaware county, the waukesha of tonights congressional race. Steve kornacki and garrett haake, thanks to you both, really appreciate it. So what does this tell us about the upcoming 2018 midterms in november . For that, i am joined by connie schultz, she is a Pulitzer Prize winning journalist and a former columnist for the cleveland plain dealer, now a nationally syndicated column iist. Full disclosure, she is married to sherrod brown. Connie, great to see you again. I really appreciate you being here. Im interested to know what you think, as someone who spends time on the ground, thinking through, understanding that the political dynamics of the state of ohio. This is a place that has often been the bellwether, so goes ohio, so goes the country. But there was some conversation after the election of 2016 that perhaps it would go for republicans and no longer be a swing state. What is this race that were going to watch tonight tell you about the State Of Play there . And where do you think things sit in ohio . Well, casie, first of all, i want to say, i dont usually come midday, but i have such high regard for your work as a journalist, which is why im here right now. Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. Sure. Back in 2004, stay with me for just a moment, when i was still at the plain dealer, we did a series. I wasnt part of it, but it was a huge amount of reporting called the five ohios, and it was called that for a reason. You cant look at one election in the state of ohio and make any determination about how the states going to go, because it is a bellwether state, always. And i was listening to steve and the other reporter, im sorry, im drawing a blank on the name. Garre garrett haake. Thank you. I couldnt see his face, so it was harder. No worries. There are substantiative issues at play. Health care looms so large. And a lot of suburban women care about health care. The other thing were not talking about at all, but suburban women are starting to respond to the Family Separations. So i think that could be in play, as well. Keep in mind that balderson, just last month, said he wanted to raise the eligibility age for medicare and Social Security. And, of course, that was a bomb that blew up for him. And hes tried to dial that back and he has his mother in an ad for him right now. But oconnor has an ad that compares him to kasich in terms of his willingness to work with others. And supporting what governor kasich, a republican did on medicaid. So you cant look at this one district and predict whats going to happen around the country, certainly. And not around the state. But, again, this has not been as was already mentioned, this Congressional District has not been in play for, what, three decades, almost. And that it is in play now has a lot to do with how people are feeling about these substantiative issues, certainly about trump, as well. And keep in mind, the day before trump came to ohio, he went after lebron james. And you dont have to live in the cleveland area to care that the president was attacking lebron james. Hes popular around the country. He crosses all ethnic and racial lines, economic lines, and people all across the state love him. So that was not the smartest move for him. And then you have balderson yesterday talking about, he was in zanesville staying, we dont want people in Franklin County determining whos you know, my Immediate Reaction when i heard that was, wait a minute, ive got weve got two daughters, four grandchildren, two sonsinlaws we happen to be very fond of and they all live in Franklin County. Whats wrong with Franklin County . And it made me realize, there are a lot of people in zanesville who know or love someone in Franklin County right now. It was such a tonedeaf move, im still trying to understand how he could have said that. He must have really tired and hot. Well, we certainly have been dealing with a heat wave. Can i ask you, you know, i think for a lot of us who covered you know, i was on the road for the 2016 campaign, but there was a lot of assumptions about who what the outcome of that was going to be. And theres been a lot of reflection since about, you know, how to make sure that those kinds of mistakes arent made again. Im wondering, is there anything that youre picking up on the ground in ohio that you think we in the National Media should be paying attention to . The local trends, the feelings among your neighbors, people who have switched, who may have surprised you. Is there anything that you think we should be watching in the next couple of months . Well, i live in the city of cleveland. So im not surprised, particularly, in our neighborhood, our surrounding area is predominantly africanamerican. So im not surprised, because its been very consistent. You know, we have the same conversations over and over again of real substance, but the concerns havent changed that much. What im hearing particularly from ohio, i go back to these suburban moms in particular who supported trump. Some of whom did not. Who voted for obama, but didnt want to vote for Hillary Clinton, they voted for donald trump. And two themes keep bubbling up. Number one, even if they still somewhat support trump, they dont want everyone else to behave like him. They dont want a governor like trump or a member of Congress Like trump or a mayor like trump, right . But again, i go to the Family Separations issue. I dont think were paying enough attention to how much this has affected a lot of voters, particularly women. Who, weve all seen the images. I mean, weve all been a child, right . Lets start that. And if youve ever loved a child and you watch that, and i dont think were paying enough attention to that, yet. That could have a longterm impact, depending on how much the democrats bring it up, i think. Connie schultz, thank you so much for your insights today and thanks for coming on. Sure. Coming up, what some are calling Junk Insurance. The new, inexpensive plans being pushed by the Trump Administration in an effort to undermine obamacare. Well explain who really pays for those. But first, an nbc news exclusive. President trumps next immigration target. Legal immigrants. The details of his plan, a plan that could leave 20 Million People in limbo, up after the break. Youre watching msnbc. P. And at expedia, we dont think you should be rushed into booking one. Thats why we created expedias addon advantage. Now after booking your flight, you unlock discounts on select hotels right until the day you leave. Addon advantage. Discounted hotel rates when you add on to your trip. Only when you book with expedia. Boost® high protein. Be up for life. Legal immigrants to become citizens, affecting millions of people. And they plan to do it by going after anyone who has used certain Public Welfare programs. Nbcs National Security and justice reporter, Julia Ainsley joins me now with more on her exclusive reporting. First of all, julia, great reporting. Some of these programs include theyre essentially targeting people who have used obamacare, the Childrens Health insurance program, food stamps. Can you just explain a little bit about what the changes would be and also, how is it that the Trump Administration can do this basically unilaterally . Yeah, thats a great question. I was asking myself the same thing. So i was directed back to this law that was passed in the 1800s, if you can think ellis island days, that think that immigrants coming in who wanted citizenship, it should be considered whether or not they would be a public charge. Whether they would be a drain on the American Economy rather than supporting it. That has been broadened over the years. And even now, most immigrants who are on Social Security insurance, ssi, what we think of as classic welfare, cash assistance, they would have a hard time gettinging citizenship. Generally, they want to see you prove that you are table to work here if youre getting a green card or moving from green card to citizenship. What is changing is how much they are broadening this. Theyre going after so many social programs that could be potential disqualifiers. That would be like, if youve used the Insurance Exchange thats provided through obamacare, if youve had Childrens Health insurance, which in a lot of states is given to people well above the poverty line, or if youve used food stamps. Some versions even included heat assistance. A lot of things that are, yes, given to people who might be falling through the cracks, and who need a social safety net, but also things given to people who could be making as much as 250 of the poverty line. Julia ainsley, thanks so much for shining a light on this. Kasie. Coming up, michigans race for governor is testing the limits of the left. One candidate, gretchen whitmore, well talk to her about her strategy and her partys internal struggle in the primary. Stay right here with msnbc. Dear foremothers, your society was led by a woman, who governed thousands. Commanded armies. Yielded to no one. When i found you in my dna, i learned where my strength comes from. 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But theres another story line shaping up in the gubernatorial races. As the New York Times points out, the surge of women running for office could be the biggest breakthrough in americas gubernatorial races. As the times writes, quote, nowhere is the challenge as great as it is in the midwest, which was the last region to elect a female governor. And where a woman has not been elected since Jennifer Granholm of michigan, a democrat, left office in 2011. With me now is one of those channelers, Gretchen Whitmore. Shes hoping to be michigans democratic nominee in the states gubernatorial race. Gretchen, thanks very much for being here. I want to start about asking you about the latebreaking dynamics in this race. Your Progressive Challenger releasing a medicareforall singlepayer Health Care Plan that seems to have at the very least caught the interest of Bernie Sanders, whos endorsed him, and gotten a lot of attention in the waning weeks. Whats your Health Care Plan and why do you disagree with your opponent . Listen, im not running or disagreeing with anyone. Im running on a real plan and a real record to get things done for people in michigan. Michiganders arent interested in labels or an outsider coming in. We want a governor who can solve problems. And as the senate zmdemocratic leader, i had a proud progressive leader. Thats why everyone from the uaw to Planned Parenthood have endorsed me. So do you support Medicare For All . I support getting everyone covered, absolutely. Universal coverage is everyones goal here. But as the one person who negotiated Medicaid Expansion in my state, 680,000 people got coverage because of the work that i did. Were not going to stop until everyone in my state is covered. And im not waiting on washington, d. C. To solve our problems here in michigan. Do you think Medicare For All is an unrealistic plan . Do you do you think it couldnt be paid for, for example . Well, listen, it would require two waivers from the Trump Administration, a constitutional amendment, and 100 billion. Im not going to wait on washington, d. C. I think we in michigan got to move forward. We need a governor whos actually going to be able to get in there and get things done. Our water we have a water crisis in michigan that is not over. The devos agenda has been destroying the Public School system in michigan. As a mom with kids in our Public Schools, these are the things that i know how to get done. And i dont accept excuses in my house and i dont except them from my government, either. And im ready to get to work and solve these problems. Do you think that the Democratic Socialist label is helpful for democrats who are trying to get elected in a state like michigan, that voted for President Trump . You know what, michigan is that kind of a state. We go back and forth, we really do. And people ask me less about whether or not i am a democrat. They ask me what my plan is, how were going to solve these problems. I think that, you know, having getting caught up in those labels is really, you know, a distraction. Weve got to talk about cleaning up drinking water. People in flynt still dont have clean drinking water. Our schools used to be the best around and now were in the bottom ten in our country. This was the place people came to from Around The World for a good job. And all of the attacks on labor have made it harder and harder for working people to get ahead. These are the things that i stay focused on. And thats why, i think, my campaign is one thats been able to build a Real Coalition and a place where progressives have been able to come home to, because we got to start getting things done. And it starts with winning this election. Why do you think President Trump won michigan in 2016 . I think theres been a lot of analysis, but it was really a low turnout year, it was. And michiganders are frustrated. There are a lot of people in my state that are hurting. They havent seen a raise in ten years, or theyre working a couple of minimum wage jobs and cannot put food on the table or get ahead and theyre frustrated. Thats why the campaign that ive run has stayed really focus on the dinner table issues. Sure. If youre worried about your childs education, you know, nothing else matters. And thats why thats where im going to start fixing problems. Hillary clinton did lose in 2016 in michigan twice, first to Bernie Sanders in the primary in a surprise and then again to President Trump. So, your point about low turnout taken, but at the same time, clearly, theres something going on in the state that has people looking for something different, something outside of the establishment. And im just wondering how youve thought about that in the context of your campaign . You know, ive been the leader of the resistance during my time in the legislature. And despite that, always being in the minority party, i was able to deliver Health Care Coverage to 680,000 people in my state. I do think its time for change here in michigan. Our leaders have failed us. And thats why im running. Thats why im leading with a real plan to clean up our drinking water. With a plan to get people into highwage skills. To fix our schools by fighting back on the devos agenda here in michigan. Do you think that theres anything that President Trump has done in office that you would commend him for . Well, you know, he has given lip service, anyway, to rebuilding the sue lox, which is in the upper peninsula, is the gateway for so much international commerce. Our state depends on that gateaway remaining open and its dangerously old. So if he actually starts to take steps towards doing that, i would be grateful, and certainly everyone in my state would be. Gretchen whitmore, running to be the democratic nominee in michigans race for governor, well be watching closely. Thank you so much for your time today. Thank you, kasie. Joining me now is sahil kapur, a National Political reporter for bloomberg politics. Sahil, lets talk a little bit about this michigan governors race to start. It does seem as though it feels to me like a familiar dynamic, and maybe ive overlearned the lessons of having covered Bernie Sanders surprise win in michigan on the ground, but, it does seem like the energy of voters across the map is with people who are from outside of the political system. Right, theres that spectrum, theres the outsider insider spectrum, and there is the ideological spectrum. And i think this resembles the Bernie Sanders versus Hillary Clinton proxy battle in a way, because that was a genuine difference of opinion in what direction to go, how to campaign, how to think about issues inside the democratic party. You have the centerleft candidate in Hillary Clinton, who Gretchen Whitmore sounded very much in the mold of, you know, kind of, remember Hillary Clintons phrase, im a progressive who likes to get things done . Yes, indeed. Thats almost exactly how shes campaigning, where you have abdul sayyed whos running a as a progressive candidate on Medicare For All, a much bolder, loftier vision, even if it may not be achievable in the near future, some progressives believe thats the way to galvanize the base. The big x factor is women. The Democratic Base have decided to turn a corner and they want more women in power. Thats totally understand and agree with that particular point. And you know, one thing that our First Read Team has looked at, theyve they rate, under this headline, in democratic primaries, its often Bernie Sanders versus emilys list. And this is exactly to your point. The democratic Advocacy Group that backs prochoice, proabortion rights and female political candidates, back in 2016, there wasnt much love lost between Bernie Sanders and emi emilys list, and fast forward to now, the two factions are facing off more and more, and thats recently because sanders in races that feature women have often endorsed a rival male candidate instead. What do you make of that . The interesting thing about brn Bernie Sanders and his whole push is hes not losing a lot of primaries. His primaries are not always victorious, but hes clearly winning the battle of ideas, even when he loses primaries. The candidate thats more center left who wins that primary ends up campaigning and running and kind of trying to pursue very progressive ideas. So thats the tectonic shift i think we see in the democratic party. Its going to be very interesting to see how it plays out in the next president ial primary. I totally agree with you. On one other race im watching today, kris kobach, the gubernatorial primary in kansas, what does the landscape there look like, in a very deeply red state if kobach pulls that off . Kobach seems to be the favorite. Hes got that trump endorsement, which is very valuable in republican primaries. Well see how it works in the general election. His opponent, the incumbent governor right now who took over for Sam Brownback is essentially portraying his his campaign is essentially portraying him as the only one who can defeat democrats in the general election. Thats a remarkable thing to say in often is deep, red state. Who is basically trying to signal to voters, this guy is so toxic, hes a republican who could lose in kansas right now. Thats the battle, but i would still say kobach is probably the favorite. And theres the x factor, Greg Orman Running as an independent. Sahil coo pookapur, thank you s for your insights today. Thank you. Up next, President Trumps latest move to dismantle obamacare. Hes pushing a type of Health Care Coverage that some are calling Junk Insurance. After the break, well break down what the plans really cover. Youre watching msnbc. Ade for Better Things than rheumatoid arthritis. Before you and your Rheumatologist Move to another treatment, ask if xeljanz xr is right for you. Xeljanz xr is a oncedaily pill for adults with moderate to severe ra for whom methotrexate did not work well enough it can reduce pain, swelling and further joint damage, even without methotrexate. Xeljanz xr can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. Serious, sometimes fatal infections, lymphoma and other cancers have happened. Dont start xeljanz xr if you have an infection. Tears in the stomach or intestines, low blood cell counts, and higher liver tests and cholesterol levels have happened. 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Reporter for the 28 million uninsured americans, shortterm health plans may sound like an attractive alternative. Certainly, the Trump Administration is playing up the positive. This will be great health care. They may be as much as 50 to 80 cheaper than the Obamacare Exchange plan. Reporter for example, in los angeles, shortterm premiums start at 141 a month versus 264 for the cheapest obamacare policy. But critics warn, you get what you pay for. People really need to know exactly what these policies, when they buy them. And the reason that theyre inexpensive is because they dont coffver very much. Reporter what they dont cover . 43 offer no Mental Health coverage. 62 dont cover Substance Abuse treatment. 71 Dont Cover Outpatient prescription drugs. And 100 , all of them, dont cover maternity care. The policies may also contain annual or Lifetime Benefit caps, unlike obamacare plans. We reached out to some of americas largest insurance providers, but none would comment on camera. In a statement, americas Health Insurance plans, an Industry Trade group said, consumers should clearly understand what their plan does and does not cover. The new requirement for shortterm plans to make clear disclosures to consumers is an important improvement. That knowledge, critics say, is crucial. In the case of a lot of cancer patients, when they get a cancer diagnose, they found out they were not covered for things they thought they were going to be covered for. Reporter critics say it could divide risk pools, with younger people opting for shortterm plans, while driving up premiums on obamacare plans, because they have older, sicker patients. The better solution would be to have everybody in the same insurance pool. Reporter now, the Trump Administration predicts about 200,000 americans will switch from obamacare to these extended shortterm plans. These extended plans will be available in october and a very important thing to remember, kasie, is that these plans do not provide coverage for preexisting conditions, which, of course, obamacare covers. Anne thompson, thanks so much for that reporting. Very useful information for all of you are viewers as they try to make those decisions coming in the fall. Coming up next here, mike pence in his own words on how a president should behave. And what should be done to a president if he or she engages in, say, immoral or unethical behavior. What he said then versus what hes doing now. But first, 20 years ago today, august 7th, 1998, 224 people were killed, thousands more hurt when an Al Qaedaaffiliated Suicide Bomber drove pickup trucks into the gates of the u. S. Embassies in the capitals of kenya and tanzania and detonated thousands of pounds of explosives, reducing the buildings largely to rubble. 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Charlie, those words perhaps pressient from mike pence to say whats going on now and our acceptance of this behavior would lead to more difficult things. But this time hes standing by somebody who has allegedly at least committed some of the sins that pence was talking about there. Well, that was then and this is now. But mike pence tracks almost perfectly what has happened to the Conservative Movement, because his comments back in the 1990st rst not at all surprising, virtually every conservative Thought Leader made the point. The Republican Party said character matters. The president is a role model. A president Who Lice Discaes disqualifies himself from office. Think about what weve seen evangelical christian leaders do from the 90s to now. Back in the niblt90s, no group thought personal integrity was more important than evangelicals. Now theyre among his strongest supporters. So mike pence has gone with the flow of whats happened to the Conservative Movement and conservative mind. Charlie, do you think, though, that pence has really its easy to when you read these old columns, he really believed what he was saying. His personal morality is often brought into his public life. You look at the relationship he has with his wife, cakaren. He has lived out the things what you should do. Has he really changed do you think or is he just biting his tongue . Well, thats an interesting question. Weve also seen how transactional Our Politicks become, what people are willing to bite their tongues for if they get something in return. Again, hes not the only one who has made this kind of a bargain. In his case, as in the case of many of the christian leaders, its pretty dramatic if you compare and contrast what they said then and what they are doing right now. Charlie, i want to ask you about one other its related, not exactly on point with mike pence. But theres a story out about paul ryan, and he writes that trump used to call ryan a boy scout. I thought it was a compliment, said ryan, a former altar boy and habitual people pleaser. But after the republican controlled Congress Passed bills, trump announced that he would stop using the nickname, so i guess he meant it as an insult all along, the speaker said. I didnt realize. This is illuminating on so many levels. But the fact that the president seems to think that calling someone a boy scout is an insult, that seems to be another xach example of this evolution youre talking about. Yes, and paul ryan has made some bargains, as well. That piece is very illuminating. There were some things i thought, i didnt really understand that before. But yeah, thats an interesting anecdote. That apparently when donald trump was referring to paul ryan as a boy scout, he thought that was demeaning, that was an insult, that he wasnt tough enough, that he wasnt a fighter, what the playground bully you were supposed to be in the era of trump. 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