Sure the helping hes youre very limited if youre an fbi agent. I think the fbi is more than capable of taking on this job. This is the Supreme Court of the United States, this is not dogcatcher of the town. Also Brett Kavanaughs calendar and whether it helps or hurts the nominees case. Plus life inside the court where he might fit in if confirmed. New reporting as well in how from 24 hours we went from hearing powerful testimonies from both professor ford to kavanaugh, to the dramatic scene we saw when,evident flake called on the fbi to investigate the Sexual Assault allegations against judge kavanaugh. The bombshell announcement just hours after they encounter. And kayleigh mcenany. Were hearing more from the two women who were in the elevator with senator flake. What can you tell us about the exchange . The capitol itself is closed to the general public, but the Office Buildings where senators and Congress People have their offices, theyre open to the public. Weve seen these hallwayed flooded by protesters on both sides. Theyve been chanting, silent protests. For many cases theyve been arrested it is not a court of law, and politics by their nature are susceptible anniltwo members had very strong words for senator flake. He is a conservative represent and he announced he would vote in support of the nomination for the Supreme Court. At that mom or shortly thereafter, two protesters encountered him in an elevator in this building, the russell senate, ms. Aachilis said this is the first time they both met, and listen to what they had to say about that dramatic encounter with flake in the elevator we decided we would make sure he felt the rage and pain that women across the country are feeling in these moments, watching the senate potentially put in the Supreme Court someone who is accused of violating women. Of course, jeff flake is retiring. He isnt under the usual pressure that politicians are under. We heard the speeches. A lot of rhetoric, but very predictable. Its very unusual to find an unscripted moment, a genuine surprise in a lot of the proceedings we seed on capitol hill. Thats what we saw yesterday. Alex . Drama with a capital d. Thank you for setting that up for us. Jeff, good day to you. Whats the latest there . Reporter this brief delay, the short pause as jeff flake put it, is not at all what white house officials wanted, but this rare reversal from President Trump, him order been the fbi to reopen the background check reflects the political reality. Without this, they would not likely have the votes to confirm kavanaugh weve seen it shift in just a matter of hours yet from the grassley, mcconnell, Lindsey Graeme to the Flake Collins murkowski caucus. President trump was in the oval Office Hosting the president of chile, and he was asked about his reaction to the news. Heres what he said. I guess the vote was a positive vote, about you there seems to be a delay. Ill learn about it. I just heard about it. Reporter what did you think of dr. Fords testimony when you heard that . I thought her testimony was very compelling, and she looks like a very fine woman to me. Very fine woman. I thought that bretts testimony likewise was really something that i havent seen before. It was incredible. It was an incredible moment i think in the history of our country. Reporter now, we havent heard much from President Trump about this on twitter. Im told thats by design. The president is really heeding the advice of aides and Senior Republicans who have asked the white house to let them be in the lead, but he did tweet about this news. The president writes this just started tonight or seventh fbi investigation. He will someday be recognized as a truly great justice of the United StatesSupreme Court. The president points out as do the president s allies that his previous sick background checks uncovered nothing. They certainly expect the but there are officials reacting with a about i of dread given all unforeseen develops that could pop up between now and whenever this fbi investigation and the if you will senate vote happens. My only have is is buckle up, everyone. Thank you, jeff. Meantime lets bring in adrienne el rod and kayleigh mcenanny. Do you think that senator flake did the right thing by calling for a delay on the confirmation vote, just to allow the fbi investigation. Are republicans generally union set by the delay . Well, one, ill echo 9 president , this is in the hands of the senators. They will ultimately be the deciding vote. I would note what republican senators have said all along, the reason they were averse to an investigation holds. The reason they did not want this is because its pointless. The fbi does not come to conclusion, they do not make credibility determinations. They interview witnesses and hand over trips what is called 302s citing what it is witnesses have. We have that testimony. Can they take that information, hand it over to those who can make judgment calls and discuss it further, saying hey, look, this is what the fbi uncovered, if there is anything to uncover. Why who republicans in general be oppose just being armed with as much information as possible to completely repudiate the claims or to potential hold the judge accountable . Because we already have that information. Dr. Ford and mr. Kavanaugh before the senate yew dishary committee were sworn under oath. It is the same consequence to lie to the senate as it is to lie to the fbi. Both are under the penalty of perjury. We already have that information. I would know mr. Kavanaugh has undergot six checks. These are extensive checks. Ive been a part of one. They extensive. They ask about their reputation, they ask about organizations they were involved with. Judge kavanaugh has passed six of these already. But kayleigh, when theres just two dramatically different recollections of an encounter, whether it happened at all, doesant it warrants again, my question is why are republicans opposed to just having a little more time getting a bit more information . Whats the problem with that . Well, its a duplicative effort. If democrats were so concerned about this fbi investigation, we could have a twomonthlong investigation, had senator feinstein acted in good faith and anonymously handed this over. She didnt do it, because it was a political stunt for democrats. By contrast, republicans allowed both parties to speak. We were very respectful in doing that. Its republicans who have really given this claim the attention it deserves, not democrats who sat on it for two months. Speaking of republicans, heres how senator jeff flake described his thinking. This is ripping the country apart. The calls ive been getting, emails, texts, its just, you know, its been rough to see. My preference is that we can go ahead and confirm this nominee. Hes a conservative. Im a conservative. I had planned on supporting him before all this came out, and i hope that we can. But in the meantime weve got to have a process thats worthy of the situation. So if this report comes back adrienne, without conclusive evidence that kavanaugh did anything wrong, do you expect any bipartisan concession and ultimately supporting him . Well, i mean, look, i do think that i dont know what well find out over the next week. I think i want to push back on semithat kiteleigh said. I think its important in the investigation, whats going to happen here is that witnesses who would not testify in front of the committee, i. E. Mark judge, one of the judge kavanaughs closest friends, as dr. Blasey ford notes was in the room when she was assaulted. Had hell be able to testify under oath to the fbi, but i also dont know what were going to find out in the next week, which is exactly why its going to come down to a he said she said. Dr. Blasey ford came across as a credible sincere victim. Brett kavanaugh came across as hottempered, partisan, couldnt keep his cool together. The way his partisan leanings, and the way he attacked democrats should completely disqualify him on that merit alone from being confirmed to the Supreme Court, but this is a very important thing to figure out exactly what happened, to try to collect as much information as we can. Id like to see the fbi the point you made about his potential impartiality, thats a discuss i will have with someone else until a bit. But back to you. Will there be democrats who say, okay, we called for the investigation, the investigation happened, nothing was found and this is all a big if, but will democrats say, all right, now we will support this nomination . I dont think so, alex. I want to see what obviously what joe manchin decides, but i think there is enough information to this point that will cause a lot of democrats not to support him. Joe donnelly came out yesterday saying he will not be supporting Brett Kavanaugh. Looking at the Sexual Assault allegations themselves thats a disqualifier, you have other democrats saying i have issues with some of his previous rulings on court decisions, and of course his positions on president ial pardons and whatnot. I think youre going to see i have faith in my democratic senators, i think youre going to see democrats en masse oppose this nomination. Kayleigh, she mentioned mark judge, of course his High School Friend and the fact he says hes willing to cooperate with investigators from the fbi as they approach and ask questions. How concerned are republicans about this investigation potentially putting the final nail in the coffin for judge kavanaughs confirmation . Not in the slightest worried about that. Judge kavanaughs name will be clean as it already has been. I want to emphasize an important point i heard two times he said she said, but lindsey graham, this is he said she said they said. All the individuals cited at the party say it did not have. The leyland kaiser, she said she believes dr. Ford, about you she says this party didnt exist. She said shes never even met Brett Kavanaugh. Exactly what she says is she initially does not recall she didnt say the party did not exist. Shall i said she does not recall a party, thats a big difference. She said she never met Brett Kavanaugh. Not only that she will cooperate, about you she does not refute dr. Fords account and she told the press she believes the account. She did not say the party did not happen. You know well see what she says to the fbi. One paragraph before what you just read, she says ive never met Brett Kavanaugh. Thats directly contrary to what ms. Ford said. Like Brett Kavanaugh said, i believe something happened to ms. Ford. My heart goes out to her, but we cannot smear an innocent man with no corroborating evidence, and refuted evidence, because all individuals say they were not there. We cannot smear an innocent man. We have due process in this country, and my hard goes out to ms. Ford. It likewise goes out to judge kavanaugh. This process has been very dirty because of democrats. Misford said in her Opening Statement on july 6th i had a sense of urgency. I wanted to get this information to the president , to the senate. That could have happened had Dianne Feinstein marched over to the white house and given this information to the white house and to the Senate Judiciary committee. She did not. In doing so she disrespected miss ford. Not true. She didnt do it because dr. Ford asked her to not release the letter. She could have done that. She could have given her anonymity. She had to move out of her house. Senator fine tine was protecting her privacy at the wishes of the victim. She could have protected her privacy. That is such a sham argument. Anita hill was privately investigated by i fbi, her name was not leaked under ricki seedman leaked it to the press to force her out. This was never about getting to the merit of the claim. This was about stopping kavanaugh at all costs, which is exactly what Chuck Schumer said 23 hours after the nom ways was announced. Given that you two are political operatives of the highest sort, i want to ask abo about kavanaughs testimony from thursday. This whole twoweek effort has been a calculated and orchestrated hit, fueled with pinup anger about President Trump and the 2016 election, fear that has been unfairly stoke about my judicial record, revenge on behalf of the clintons, and millions of dollars and money from outside leftwing opposition groups. Back to the 2016 election there with his comments. Whats your position on that . What do you think . Just absolutely ludicrous. Those comments alone should prohibit him from getting a Supreme Court seat on the highest court in the land for potential 40 or 50 years. This is not a partisan effort. These are women who was victims of Sexual Assault committed by Brett Kavanaugh, who came forward bravely to share their stories. How this is conflaying with leftist politics, progressive politics, this is a page out of the trump playbook, where you just blame democrats, blame the clintons for everything that is really your fault and part of the problem you have to contend with. Last word to you kayleigh, is that what is going on . Absolutely not. There were blatant partisan moves by democrats here from the very moment this letter was given to them. This could have anonymously had this investigated. They chose not to, because 23 hours after kavanaugh was nominated cluck schumer said i will stop this at all costs. At all costs means damning an innocent man who has done nothing wrong here. 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Theres new developmentings this afternoon at a surprise turn of events forced the president to call for an investigation. New york times is reporting the bureaus probe into accusations against kavanaugh will include those of debra ramir ramirez, a college classmate. Very good to have you both here. Chuck, to you first. We have New York Times saying there would be claims included from Debra Ramirez and dr. Ford within this investigation, what are the chances the scope can it expand . I recall hearing the phrase within scope as it applies to this fbi investigation. Thats a really important question, alex. In fact in the headline of the New York Times article that you just put on the screen, it says limited. Thats my big question what do they mean by limited in . So, for instance, if this were a criminal investigation, the fbi wouldnt need anyones permission to do whatever 28d do. It would open an investigation, it it could subpoena documents, it could compel testimony, but here, remember they needed the white house, the Client Agency in this case to direct them to reopen it. My question is, did the white house limit what the fbi could do . If they said you can only speak to two, three, four people, it might be the case the fbi would have to go back to the white house to follow up on any logical leads. So i think the scope is the critical question. Absolutely. Elizabeth we have republican lawmakers, and i want to include the president there, they have called dr. Fords testimony credible. They still support judge kavanaugh, neither of course on trial, about you it sure felt like they were at times. Were there conclusions you drew from what you witnessed . I think theyre speaking out two sides of their mouths. The fact of the matter is you cant you could not take her testimony as credible and then say, no investigation, we dont have to look into anything, weve heard from kavanaugh and basically we dont believe her. Is there a way to separate kayleigh mce in hanny was saying in the last block, she was found credible. Is there a way, though, to say we believe something happened to here, as kayleigh said i actually belief, but that it wasnt Brett Kavanaugh despite her says 100 percent certainty. You cant separate it without the information we have they are leaping to a conclusion when there is evidence out there, witnesses out there that have never been examined and witnesses who have never been questioned. How can you say this is finished . How can you say we have determined theres no supporting evidence. First of all the statement this is unstanch yaled, uncorroborated is untrue. There is corroboration. The notes of her therapist. She went to the therapist six years ago. The therapist was never questioned, the notes were not brought out at the hearing, to my knowledge. The fact of the matter is there was corroboration. Where was the substantiation for mr. Kavanaugh. There was none. So i think you cant if you ultimately went to examine judge and you question the other people who were there, and got more information, maybe you could come to that conclusion, but you certainly cant come to that conclusion now. These are kind of they were being hypocritical. They were trying to appease the public who saw a very counter ebl witness, and they wanted their guy in, even without an investigation. You have New York Times saying Rod Rosenstein told senator flake that this oneweek deadline to complete the deadline check, is feasible, but unlikely to unearth more than was already known. Taps into your former fbi official hat here, do you agree with rosensteins assessment what they can get answers for certain questions . Again, i think, alex, it turns on what the fbi is permitted to do, what they are authorized to do. They are capable of doing a lo the. They may only be authorized to do a little. That puts the fbi in a terrible box. It then seems like another investigation has been done, when in fact its been remarkably circumscribed. I think thats the problem. Is the Deputy Attorney general right they may not find very much . Possibly. Have they been asked to look deeply and broadly . Thats what worries me. What is the worstcase scenario for kavanaugh . I guess i dont analyze it from his perspective. I analyze it from the perspective of our citizenry. Not to be too corny, alex. The worstcase is we dont find the truth because we dont look. It may be a stalemate that we cant determine what actually happened formed w458d be a shame, what would be a failing to me is if we dont look deeply and broadly. Elizabeth, Brett Kavanaugh on thursday blamed the democrats for what he called a, quote, political hit. Lets play part of that. This whole twoweek effort has an orchestrated split couldle hit, fueled with pentup anger about President Trump and the 2016 election, revenge on behalf of the clintons, and as we all know, in the United States political system of the early 2000s, what goes around comes around. This is an angry man, and there are many who can substantiate the reasons for him being angry. Hes targeting the democrats. Should that disqualify him, elizabeth, from a seat on the bench that is supposed to be impartial . Is it knowing going into it whether a nominee is left or rightleaning to that degree . Realistically we know there are appointments, we can look at their past history, the way they have voted, comments, writings, all that sort of thing, but in this case we have a very angry man, arguably for good reason some would say, but can he be fair and impartial on the Supreme Court if he becomes confirmed . Well, to me the way he comported himself and his demeanor, lack of dignity, speculative attacks on people, to me thats disqualifying. What you want in the Supreme Court, and weve had people who have been appointed as conservatives, moved to the left, we have people who have been appointed as liberals, moved to the right on some issues. The point is you want someone who is thoughtful with an open mind and open heart. You saw somebody who just in my opinion doesnt belong on the court. I dont care what whatever else happens with dr. Ford information and the question about a Sexual Assault. A person like that, he didnt even have the information to support the charges. How does he know that there was big leftwing money behind dr. Ford . We know you saw her testimony, one of the things that was amazing is she doesnt have a political bone in her body. She doesnt do this for political reasons. She wanted to protect the country by telling what happened from a Supreme Court potential nominee. When she came forward there were other people on the short list. She thought one of them would have been picked. It wasnt an effort to eliminate a conservative. So for him to make that kind of charge was totally uncalled for. In fact thats what bothers me speculative charges without any basis, anger and partisanship. As a Supreme Court justice youll have many cases one party against the other, republican versus democrat, how can he be fair . Chuck rosen burg congressman holtzman, thank you for your time. A plug for your new book, the case for impeaching trump it is out in stores about a week and a half from now. 24 hours that could change the course of american history. How senator flake forced a Supreme Court delay, the coauthor is next. Supreme cot urdelay, the coauthor is next. When nighttime nasal congestion closes in, breathe right strips are designed to simply open your nose right back up. Breathe better. Sleep better. Breathe right. 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They were moving forward in that direction, but it was flay, as we know, who put the brakes on the entire thing. He was standing in this hallway. The republicans saying to him, you shouldnt do this. The democrats saying, like, like you want this process to have some credible, so you said allot this to go forward to clear his name. You write that they squeezed into an oversigh phone booth, and he gave them a sense, probably got to give this thing a week. A high le contentious issues the and they couldnt get him on the phone, so they ended up speaking to rosenstein. Because of length of the testimony, but at the same time it could take about a week to look into this. Flates believe this would give process to a cover to some of the republicans to vote for kavanaugh says they had been thoroughly vetted. Particularly the president s reaction, i want to play for you what he said. I tell her testimony was very compelling and she looks like a very fine woman to me, very fine woman. I throat his testimony likewise was something i havent seen before. There are some call it authen c authentic. Whats your sentence . No one can get into his head. I thought speaking intosh is someone who was coached. I think hes been told to be careful the it shall very strongly, and there was some reporting around that he thought that kavanaugh had given himself some credible. That clearly evolved between now and that tape. First and foremost hes a performance artist. Hes more concerned i think in this about whether or not kavanaugh comes through this successfully and how this reflects on him personally. You know, trump has told me in the past repeatedly, hes very uncomfortable when men cry. He thinking its a sign of weakness. He always said how someone until pressure should respond is john gotti, someone, you know, who didnt crash. I think that weighs again kavanaugh in his mind. I also think hes being very attuned to how this is plays out across the country. By the way, he has let to tweet about it today, to the best of my knowledge. The president has shown some discipline and has not taken to his typical rand. I dont know if the its not clear. A lot of times when they think inns happens, it comes up that aides say they certainly thought it was a victory over the past few days that he has held off. Some of this may be coming from the hill, may be coming from republican senators who say it is not a helpful this ink to have the president pushing on this issue. You know, it remains to be seen if hell be quiet in bred kavanaugh we have the most until pressure yesterday and stressed to the point of tears. He lashed off ought a murky network of lefties determined to ruin his nomination. Can he, tim . I think its credible is an effort. I think hi tempra. Is clearly an issue. He was angry and weepy during his testimony. All of us have our faults when we come unit pressure. We expect them to exercise a lot of emotional restraint he didnt exercise. I think these hearings this week were amid st. A lot of other events. You had Rod Rosenstein going to the white house uncertain if he was going to keep hi and the mueller have aition. You had trump at the u. N. Getting laughed at when he made claims about the success of his administration. On wednesday day he jawboned about the federal reserves decision to raise interest rates, soming president s have not done before. We have an administration thats comfortable running rough shod over institutions that tran send the left off the right. He and his administration has had few problems take pot shots at that. One of the problems with kavanaugh i think is he comes across too much as a political partisan and less an an independent jurist. Gentlemen, good to see you both. Guys, thank you so much. Life inside the Supreme Court. How Brett Kavanaugh might fit in, coming up. W brett kavanaugm in, coming up. You wouldnt accept an incomplete job from any one else. 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Think given the nature, he would be well ku78d, but i think the bigger question, not just for his colleagues on the court, but what his testimony last thursday suggests about his ability to do the work of the court. Jon roberts famously talked about justices being neutral ash terse, calling balls and strikes. They did not look like the performance of a neutral arbiter. Do you think he would could potentially befriend a more liberal judge . These are interesting allegations, especially for someone like justice ginsburg, who was a womens advocate before becoming a justice. Again, its a very closeknit group. Thisle certainly shadow his introduction. When i interviewed justice sotomayor, she mentioned when they were things they were not used to, his sense of humor, which caught him a about i offguard, so i imagine there would be situations where they would have to take time to get to know them. Justice haves chief Justice John Roberts opted not to kilk o suggests he deserves an opportunity, everyone deserves an opportunity. There are lots of lawyers in the United States who would be st stunning additions to this court. This is a life tenured position that Justice Kavanaugh would occupy for some time. The question of temperament comes to the fore. I testified against him because i thought his record on human rights was abysmal, but he went on a partisan screed and believed everyone on the left for the situation he found himself in, instead of making his statements affirming his own views and being more neutral and measured. It was a screed. Is that why you think this nomination is being perseid by some as differ. Is that what makes this different . I think this is unprecedent Clarence Thomas played the race card. Brett kavanaugh spoke to a divided country. Thats something that a nominee cant do. Can you imagine him deciding a case like bush v. Gore . 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