Alex Witt hosts coverage of national and international news, including breaking stories. Alex Witt hosts coverage of national and international news, including breaking stories. Don jr. And it goes on to say this was a meeting to get information on an opponent, totally legal and done all the time in politics. It is done frequently in politics when everyone involved is an american citizen. It is much more treacherous if there are any foreign nationals who are part of a meeting like that because there are violations of the law if foreign nationals contribute anything of value to a campaign. Money, information, anything of value. So thats where it gets a bit tricky. Now, one of the issues, we know, is that donald trump jr. , through his testimony and the emails that he released, did acknowledge that it was a meeting to get information, dirt as it was described on Hillary Clinton. We also know that another attendee of that meeting, jared kushner, who is the president s soninlaw and senior adviser, has since gotten his Security Clearance at a level not the highest level but has a valid Security Clearance. That raises the issue of the
process to get that clearance would contemplate all of these issues like this meeting and things that they would know behind the scenes. So is that something to suggest there wasnt something unlawful there . We just dont know, but thats another piece of the puzzle. Today jay sekulow, one of the lawyers for the president , addressed some of these concerns about what is the Legal Standard here and how might there be exposure or perhaps not. Heres how he laid it out. The real question here is would a meeting of that nature constitute a violation the meeting itself constitute a violation of the law. You have to look at what laws, rules, Regulation Statutes are purportedly violated here. Why did you deny President Trumps involvement . When did you learn that the Denial Wasnt True . Let me tell you two things on that. Number one, as you know, george, i was in the case at that point a couple weeks ask there wnd th lot of information we were gathering, and as my colleague Rudy Giuliani said, i had bad
information at that point. Over time you have facts develop. Thats what investigations do. Reporter not helpful to the president and his team is that issue of his lawyer previously giving Bad Information publicly. That was a denial that the president was involved in the Explanation Statement for what that meeting was originally about. It was something he dictated on air force i with other colleagues there to say that the meeting at trump tower in 2016 was about the ban on russian adoptions. When that subject came up, it was only a small part of the issue, but it was also significant because that was an issue important to the kremlin and Vladimir Putin who denied russian adoptions in response to sanctions on russian oligarchs. So there is a thread there to follow, but his lawyer had originally said the president had nothing to do with that, and then later they disclosed to the Special Counsel that the president was involved, had, in fact, dictated what they called a brief but accurate statement. So the fact that there is a
hodge podge of the record here may complicate this. It doesnt look good for sure, but the Question Sekulow and the legal team is asking is what specifically is a violation of law here . Thats the part we dont know because the Special Counsel is not talking. They tend to do their work completely in secret and we dont know the results of what theyve done until they present it through an indictment if one ever comes in a case like this, as weve seen in other figures who have been a part of the russia investigation. Richard . Nbc white house correspondent, great to have you to lay it all out for us there. Kelly odonnell, thank you. Lets go to manu puza, msnbc contributor. Matt, in the last 12 hours, we were highlighting what might have been of interest, and that is the admit tatanceadmittance, that the president was of the understanding there was a meeting to get information on an opponent. Kelly is giving me ptsd here,
because i was actually the one back in july of last year whose job it was as part of the times team that revealed the existence of this Trump Tower Meeting, and it was my job to get the official comment from the white house, so i was the one who got the this was all about the russian adoption, it had nothing to do with the campaign whatsoever. That was my job in all of this, and so we went through days and days of reporting, and of course we found out it was about the campaign, and it was actually about getting political dirt on Hillary Clinton, and now we finally hear from the president who says, yeah, it was all about getting political dirt on Hillary Clinton from the russian government and thats totally fine. This is going to be familiar to any parents out there who, when talking to their children, get the i didnt do it shifts to yeah, i did it but its totally fine and you cant be upset about it. I dont know if this has any legal consequence here, but it
certainly becomes another headscratching moment where the president of the United States has sort of leaned in One Direction after being 180 degrees previously. Youre right at the front lines there and have been on it. Interesting from you, matt. Why do you think this idea was exposed now . Why even bring it up . I think the post story was the immediate impetus. I think the larger issue is this is a president who feels he cant get out from under the russia investigation. And frankly, what is ironic about that is its the president and his teams own statements that have really dragged him further into the muck when it comes to the russia investigation. Remember in november of 2016, the official line from the Trump Campaign was there were no contacts with russians. The fbi at the time knew that
there were absolutely contacts with russians. It made people say, if thats true, why are they lying about it . Then its, no, we didnt meet about campaign stuff, we met about russian adoption. Okay, we did meet about campaign stuff, but it wasnt illegal. The president didnt know anything about it. Okay, the president dictated the statement. The changing stories have only worsened the pr and legal problem for the president , and he is frustrated that he cant get out from under it. Its understandable hes so frustrated. If youre the president of the United States, having an investigation hanging over your head doesnt make it easier. Whats your sense about the frustration leader. As you described, some issues coming to bear for this presidency and this administration, you also have paul manafort. He will be taking the stage at
1 00 p. M. Tomorrow. You have the midterms, you have melania coming out with some statements about lebron james. You have his attacks on the media and then you have list the items that seem to come together, an intersection that would make most journalists heads spin. Is this perhaps an indication that hes brooding and perhaps hitting a low point . I dont know about low points or brooding because i feel like every few weeks there is another story about the president is very upset and he cant get ahold of the message. Its not my job to give the president messaging advice, but the president his twitter account is the Worlds Largest megaphone right now, and he uses it to talk about russia. We are here today talking about it because the president tweeted about it. He said hes frustrated people arent talking about jobs or the message he wants to get out, but the only message hes out there with consistently is attack the news media and russia and mueller and the russia investigation. And he says, i dont understand why people keep talking about it. All righty. Always good to have you. Math apuzzo, Investigative Reporter with the New York Times, always with insight of whats happening there. Thanks, matt. Thank you. Lets bring in steven mulroy, a law professor at the universi university. What sort of jeopardy might the president face, if we can put that tweet up again, the president today if we were to say what is different what hes saying . Hes saying, for the first time from his voice, this is a meeting to get information on an
opponent, totally legal and done all the time in politics. Hes saying he did not know about it, but in this tweet hes saying he does now know about it. Your thought about legal jeopardy, steven . Collusion is not a legal term and it may be that collusion by itself is not necessarily a crime, but the conduct thats contemplated in that Trump Tower Meeting from the summer of 2016 potentially exposes them to liability in a number of different ways. There is conspiracy to assist in the Computer Hacking which is criminal, there is also violations of federal Campaign Finance laws, receiving things of that you will that might assist in a campaign from foreign sources, and then the general conspiracy statute says its a crime to conspire with others to defraud or reconstruct
the State Department in hiding the fact that there were these foreign agents actively interfering in the campaign and assisting in the Trump Campaign, any of those things could lead to Double Jeopardy. What was stated in that tweet . As a former federal prosecutor, steven laid out probably his favorite statute, the conspiracy statute. Because Conspiracy Law is so broad that it can cover many, many kinds of conduct. So even in the trumps team mind, they will have incredible dirt on Hillary Clinton. As steven said shs it could relate to defrauding the United States, it could be a conspiracy against the United States, and even federal election campaign
la laws. The strange paradox. These should deal with legal things, not gains in stacked material. That leads to more Double Jeopardy for the trump team. So i think, they finally picked up some things to bring by my case. And if youre sekulow, youre saying no meeting with the Special Counsel. I would say yes to both of those questions. The latest tweet and everything weve heard lately only has to be added to the pile of ammunition that mueller has for his legal theory. I almost think because of the constant shifting nature of the. Investigation. On the other hand, if they resist too much, mueller could issue a subpoena, and i dont know if they want to go down that road, either. Thank you for being here to tell us the news. Thank you. Kelly tries to define the use of the word hoax. That is next. Copd tries to say, go this way. I say, ill go my own way, with anoro. Go your own way oncedaily anoro contains two medicines called bronchodilators that Work Together to significantly improve lung function all day and all night. Anoro is not for asthma. It contains a type of medicine that increases risk of death in people with asthma. The risk is unknown in copd. Anoro wont replace Rescue Inhalers for sudden symptoms and should not be used more than once a day. Tell your doctor if you have a heart condition, high blood pressure, glaucoma, prostate, bladder, or urinary problems. These may worsen with anoro. Call your doctor if you have worsened breathing, chest pain, mouth or tongue swelling, problems urinating, vision changes, or eye pain while taking anoro. Ask your doctor about anoro. Go your own way get your first prescription free at anoro. Com. Monitor their Blood Glucose every day. Which means they have to stop. And stick their fingers. Repeatedly. Today, lifechanging technology from abbott makes it possible to track glucose levels. Without drawing a drop of blood, again and again. The most personal technology, is technology with the power to change your life. Life. To the fullest. When he talks about the hoax, hes talking about this unproven fantasy that somehow the campaign that i successfully managed for the successful part of the campaign was in cahoots with russians. As you know, because you covered it. Our campaign was talking with mecklenburg county, not to moscow. Kellyanne conway this morning telling about trump as it relates to interference in the election. Msnbc contributor, and jamie newton small, contributor for time magazine. Bet betsy, what do you believe happened over the weekend . The word hoax is over have is validity of the 2016 campaign. The argument that Kellyanne Conway made this morning is incompatible with the tweets the president just sent out. Kellyanne conway said they werent having conversations with moscow, but trump himself tweeted that his son went into this meeting hoping to get dirt on Hillary Clinton from people who were connected with the kremlin. Those things cannot both be true at the same time. Either what kellyanne said was true or what the president said was true. Based on the preponderance of the evidence and based on the other claims that have been made, the president is saying something which lines up with reality, which is that the people in his inner circle, at the highest echelons of his campaign, sat down with russians to get material from foreigners that would have been helpful for
their campaign, potentially liability. Its why the white house has such trouble talking about this. Jamie, what do you make of what was said on this Sunday Morning from Kellyanne Conway and john bolton . Kellyanne conway coined the term alternative facts for the trump administration. Shes always out there sort of putting this spin on things saying, well, he doesnt really mean what you think he means, he means something completely else. Then down the road, it actually ends up turning out that it actually means what we think it means. Remember, alternative facts applied to how many people were actually at the inauguration, which was proven by photos later on. And they constantly time and again deny the truth. They say its total lies, its fake news, it doesnt happen. Then when it turns out to be true later on, theyre sort of like, oh, well yes, thats true,
of course. But never mind the man behind the curtain, its really not a big deal. Its not illegal, its not collusion, if collusion actually exists. So its striking that this weekend their whole defense is the idea that, oh, well, yes, they did have this meeting in russia russia, but collusion isnt illegal. Thats their new sort of arg. Argume argument. Next week their argument will be, this might have happened but its not a big deal and it will be fine. As we look at this back and forth, one of the questions has been here, betsy, what is the mood in the white house, and a vanity fair article had put some ideas behind that, that the president is going back to his old favorites, steve bannon as well as hope hicks. And there was this formation, this idea that based on his discomfort, his stress right now, that he might be going back to get some ideas of whats happening. So one has to take a step back and go, as we move into the
midterms, where is the sensibility, where is that comfort in the presidency right now . There hasnt been reporting from any other outlets ive seen that the president is going back to see steve bannon. Its possible thats true but not something widely reported. The president is dealing with a significant amount of angst as a result of the mueller investigation. Hes been angsting about it since the legislation, but he seems particularly concerned that mueller could be getting information on his son don jr. Thats why he put out these tweets this morning, sort of Te Telegraphing those concerns. We havent seen people in don jr. s immediate circle being brought in for questioning, we havent seen reports about raids or subpoenas being directed on people who might have information on don jr. , but despite that, the president
seems to be worried about it. Its possible the president knows about activity that mueller has engaged in that the broad country doesnt know about, or its possible hes had conversations with people in his orbit that has raised questions in his mind about don jr. s activity. Thats something to keep in mind Going Forward this week. To what extent does he remain central in this white house. So, j, as you look at what is said by Kellyanne Conway as well as john bolton, he was the one, were hearing, that said, hey, go out and stand there in the White House Press briefing and address the press on what is the concern about russian interference, then he goes out and says, its a hoax. So one has to wonder where hes getting his messaging advice here. Its always been a contradiction, and when i speak to people in the white house, they talk about how they just
sort of keep their heads down, they do their jobs, they try to get policy done, they try to get work done, and thats really what theyre proud of and what they want, they wish the world would focus on. Then theres this other level where theyre sort of swimming at the deep part of the ocean, and at the top of the ocean, you have these waves that are really violent and there is a big storm at the top and thats really donald trump on twitter, which is so in contrast to what they say is whats actually going on inside the administration. So you see people getting up and doing this White House Briefing saying, yes, there is incontroversial evidence that there is tampering or attempt by russia to tamper with the 2018 elections, and then you see the president completely going 180 on twitter and saying something completely different. Thats really been the way the administration has worked from the getgo where the president seems to be dealing with his own sort of Alternative Reality Field here. Whether its his own aides or whether its just the facts, you see that constantly happen where he believes if he says it often
enough on twitter that people will believe him. And frankly his base does believe him because he remains incredibly unpopular. As long as that base continues to believe whatever he puts out on twitter, then hes fine to go. Jamie newton small, jesse woodruff, go have a nice rest of your sunday. Thank you. Coming up, how the Mueller Probe may impact the midterms and how it could benefit republicans. I think it should be a red wave. Really. Were in a small room. What . welcome. [ gasps ] a bigger room . how many of you use Car Insurance . Oh. Well, what if i showed you this . [ laughing ] hohoho wow. Its a computer. We compare rates to help you get the price and coverage thats right for you. Thats amazing the only thing that would make this better is if my mom were here. What . an unexpected ending your mornings were made for Better Things than psoriatic arthritis. As you and your rheumatologist consider treatments, ask if xeljanz xr is right for you. Xeljanz xr is a oncedaily pill for psoriatic arthritis. Taken with methotrexate or similar medicines, it can reduce joint pain, swelling, and significantly improve physical function. Xeljanz xr can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. Serious, sometimes fatal infections,
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euphimism facts develop. Thats a nice way of saying their story has shifted several times on this meeting from adoptions to now finally the president admitting this morning the whole design was to get dirt on his opponent and to solicit that information from a foreign source, something thats patently illegal. One of the questions, as we look at some of the video here of one of the president s rallies, he was in ohio, as you know, yesterday. Very key Special Election, one of the first excuse me it is the last of this season. But when you look at the response of his messaging, it seems like no matter what he tweets, and were looking at some of them this morning, right . That it will be like water off the duck in that there will be very little repercussion. Well, for the core base of trump voters, that 35, 40 of the population, you might be right. But if you take a step back and you look at the overa
overall electorate, i would disagree with that. In these Special Elections weve had in the last year and a half, republicans have outscored democrats by double digits. We just won a Special Election a couple months ago in a district trump had carried by 20 and romney had carried by double digits. Even now in ohio were competitive in a district that republicans generally win on average by 11 points. You see a number of suburban colleagues of mine that have chosen not to run again than face this very difficult environment. The president says this november could be a red wave. That is completely disconnected from the facts. Democrats are now favored to win back the majority this november. Whats the countermessage that you believe democrats need to make in the face of a good economy, of the president actually under liniunderlining . The good news is were now in
the ninth year of the obama economic expansion. While it seems to be slowing down, im glad its at least continuing under this president. But the reality is if you look at the tax cut that they just passed, its the first tax cut to have higher disapproval than Approval Ratings in american history. Because the American People know that 83 of the tax cut went to the wealthiest 1 . Thats wrong. They also know that the republicans spent the first year of this administration attempting to take away health care for more than 20 million americans. Polls continue to show that health care is one of the most important issues to the electorate. So whether its on taxes, whether its on health care, its pretty clear that despite the president s rhetoric, he and his fellow republicans are concerned about the richest 1 while democrats are fighting for Working Class and lower income and middle class americans. 15 seconds. In the house that you operate in, what would you say would be a win in this midterm . Is it a matter of ws or is it a matter of margin . I dont believe in moral victories. We need to pick up 23 seats to win the majority to fully hold this administration responsible. So for me victory is 23 seats or greater, and anything less than that, frankly, would be a big disappointment. Representative Brendan Doyle there from philadelphia. Boyle. Boyle. Thats what i said, boyle. Another trump Team Generating Buzz and even the first lady cannot agree with this one related to lebron james. The president made insulting comments about africanamericans. Why is he getting high praise from innercity black clergy . To be honest, this is probably i say this at this table the most poor black president weve had in our lifetime. And built a career in construction. But i couldnt bear my diabetic nerve pain any longer. So i talked to my doctor and he prescribed lyrica. Nerve damage from diabetes causes diabetic nerve pain. Lyrica is fda approved to treat this pain from moderate to even severe diabetic nerve pain. Lyrica may cause serious allergic reactions suicidal thoughts or actions. Tell your doctor right away if you have these, new or worsening depression, or unusual changes in mood or behavior. Or swelling, trouble breathing, rash, hives, blisters, muscle pain with fever, tired feeling or blurry vision. Common side effects are dizziness, sleepiness, weight gain and swelling of hands, legs, and feet. Dont drink alcohol while taking lyrica. Dont drive or use machinery until you know how lyrica affects you. Those who have had a drug or Alcohol Problem may be more likely to misuse lyrica. Now i have less diabetic nerve pain. And i love building memories that cant be washed away. Ask your doctor about lyrica. When heartburn hits. Fight back fast with tums smoothies. It neutralizes stomach acid at the source. Tum tum tum tum tums. Smoothies. And introducing new tums sugarfree. Policy strategist and social director at the White House Office of urban affairs in the obama administration. Terrence moore, Sports Contributor for forbes. Com and espns the undefeated. Ala alana, what do you make of the statements . And we had earlier on a blogger for the New York Times, and he was saying, there it is again, dog whistling, dog whistling. Your reaction . Well, before we talk about the bigotry that donald trump has exhibited again on twitter, lets take a step back and talk about the Actual School that lebron james is opening, the i promise school. Hes providing 230 third and fourth graders an education, free tuition. Hes providing free breakfast, lunch and snacks. Hes providing a free bicycle and helmet, Wraparound Services for their families, and get this. Free tuition for those third and fourth graders who make it on
from this critical year. Third grade is a critical year. Make it from third grade on to high school and on to college, free tuition at university of akron. So before we show bigotry that trump has shown for black and brown people, lets be sure we show where real good work is happening, which is at the lebron james school. And your answer to the expression by the New York Times blogger. Yes, i think hes trying to energize his base, but i also think its a lost proposition for him. His base is already energized in support of him. What he is doing is actually undercutting republicans and challenging districts like ohio 12. The democrats, what he is doing, is failing to build a bridge to democrats or to independents. Certainly hes failing to build a bridge to the black community. It is racism and its bigotry, and he knows what hes doing. Terrence, were looking at some video from yesterday as the president was in ohio, as he was out there rallying the troops there for a very important Special Election for republicans, and as a part of this, he not only he did not bring up lebron james, by the way, although he was tweeting about it earlier in the day, but he did bring up maxine waters. And in both of those contexts, he brought up intelligence, intimating ignorance and stupidity. Decipher that for us, because building on what alana was saying here, it seems direct and inconsistent in some way. That isnt surprising with Whats Going On here. To use a sports terminology, this is part of his game plan, his playbook. Racial politics. What better way to use it than
with sports . Its only going to get worse, by the way, because as we saw today he lost his mind a long time ago, but its getting a lot worse the more you see that the Impeachment Police are getting closer and closer because hes feeling the pressure. You look at sports. You got a situation where the nfl is 70 black. The nba is 75 black. So if youre going to play racial politics, use sports. Then what does he do . He attacks all the players in the National Football league who are kneeling out of protest and rightfully so, protesting racial injustice. It just so happens, not coincidentally, that a majority of these players, if not all these players, are africanamericans because of s. O. B. S. Then he goes after steph curry, steph curry who has the highest selling jersey in the nba, oh, and coincidentally, hes black. This is sending another signal to his base, the 30 , look, im going after these black guys. Now you go after lebron james
who if hes not the greatest Basketball Player of all time, hes certainly in the top 1a or 1b, and its all by design. Its only going to get worse, tighter and tighter the noose around his neck because of the mueller investigation. And then he says, no, i support lebron james, and you have the first lady coming out and saying, i support lebron james and The School Alana was bringing up there. Does that make things better from your thought there, terrence . I just hope people stop falling for the banana in the tailpipe here. Lets start with michael jordan. Michael jordan is the most apolitical athlete in the history of mankind. I was talking with joy reid about this yesterday. You go back in history, this guy has always tried to separate himself from political issues. People were making a big deal about how he came out and supported lebron james. Really . He said an 11word statement to a spokesperson. Coming out in support is going out in front of a camera and saying that. Michael will probably end up doing that because hell get blasted over doing that. What about his wife . A few days ago he sends out to the heads of the Intelligence Agencies and that hokie press conference. The russians did try to interfere with our elections, theyre going to do it again. Then a few hours later he comes out and says, oh, no, this is all a witch hunt. Then he calls the enemy the media one day, and then the next day his daughter goes on and says, i love the media. This is all part of a game and we need to stop falling for the game. Terrence moore, thank you, sir, for joining us. And alana, i want you to stay with us for our next segment. Coming up, a key figure from the watergate era says whats happening now with President Trump is worse than watergate. Another way
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integrity tends to work well with his base. However, he is completely, donald trump has completely said its a hoax. Russia did not interfere in our elections, and i think that his base, at this point, is immovable from that position. They are not actually relying on facts. So when he feeds them nonfacts, or untruths, It Doesnt Sway them one way or the other. They stay with him. Kansas, michigan, missouri, and Washington State holding their primaries on tuesday. As a pollster here, chris, and you probably are watching closely what his messaging was yesterday, he is taking his Campaign Style speeches to these key spaces, if you will, swing or midwestern states, and it may be working well. Is it . And is it going to work well for all of the races in these places . Well, you have to watch the ones where he has made endorsements. The most interesting is the ohio 12 Special Election coming up. Look back to 2010 where
democrats won the first seven Special Elections and then got trounced in the midterms. And so Special Elections can be flukey. Enthusiasm goes up and down based on Whats Going On at the time. I wonder if this is trump going in because he thought it was a close race or because he likes getting out on the road and campaigning. I think its probably more the latter. If you look at races where he got involved and made endorsements, those candidates have been done well, and have ended up winning in republican primaries. Thats the interesting aspect. What happens in ohio and the other races where he made endorsements. One of the dynamics is when does that come to jesus for both sides in terms of which candidates say no to nancy pelosi or no to donald trump. Well, i think there are some candidates within the Republican Party who would prefer to say no to a visit from donald trump. In ohio 12 its going to be a close race, and there is equal, actually, there is more disapproval of the president than there is approval in that
district. So i think actually the candidate there is concerned that donald trump might depress his turnout as opposed to helping to lift it up. This is a solidly republican district. This has been a republican district since the 1980s. So in some instances trump going out and stumping is detrimental to his party. Thank you both for knowing that we are at the end of the show. We had to make that one very, very tight. We will see you soon. Coming up, House Intel Committee member Eric Swalwell will give us his thoughts. Would he like to see don jr. Testify again before his committee. Try doctor recommended gaviscon. It quickly neutralizes stomach acid and helps keep acid down for hours. Relieve heartburn with fast acting, longlasting gaviscon. But with new sizes, depend fitflex is made for me. Introducing more sizes for better comfort. New depend fitflex underwear is guaranteed to be your best fit