Murder. Moreover, the other three officers who stood by and watched wild chauvin pinned george floyd to the pavement with his knee were charged with aiding and abetting in the crime. Heres ellison this afternoon. To the floyd family, to our beloved community, and to everyone that is watching, i say george floyd mattered. He was loved. His family was important. His life had value. And we will seek justice for him and for you and we will find it. But what i do not believe is that one successful prosecution can rectify the hurt and loss that so many people feel. The solution to that pain will be slow and difficult work of constructing justice in fairness in our society. That announcement came shortly after members of floyds family paid an emotional viz it to the site of his death, which has become a Community Gathering place for mourners. Reacting to the charges today, the floyd family called it a bittersweet moment, saying we are deeply gratified that attorney general ellison took decisive action. Amid all of this, former president obama weighed in on the protests today, offering an optimistic message in a virtual town hall for his my brothers keeper alliance. In some ways, as tragic as these past few weeks have been, as difficult and scary as things have been, theyve also been an Incredible Opportunity for people to be awakened to some of these underlying trends. And they offer an opportunity for us to all Work Together to tackle them, to take them on, to change america and make it live up to its highest ideals. Meanwhile, we see the many demonstrations that continue around the country tonight. The ninth straight day of international protests since floyds killing. Those protests remain both large, perhaps getting even larger and largely peaceful. As the associated peace reported, the nations streets were calmer than they have been in days. So far, that say to you you havo downstairs, they didnt limit you all all in the house . No, they didnt tell me at that all, but they said it would be a good time to go down because maybe some time youre going to need it. Come on. That reporting consttradicts th claim. Officials tell the Washington Post that trump was rushed to the bunker, because protesters breached the temporary fences outside the white house. After being strongly rebuked by the leadership of the Episcopal Church for his photoop at st. Johns which he brandished a bible, his attorney general had Peaceful Protesters cleared with tear gas, trump claimed today that no, no, religious leaders loved it. I did hold up a bible. I think thats a good thing, not a bad thing. And many religious leaders loved it. Most religious leaders loved it. Why wouldnt they loved it. The Church Leaders loved that i went there with a bible. In an attempted redo of the thing they supposedly loved so much yesterday, trump and his wife grabbed a photoop inside a shrine for Pope John Paul ii. That was also condemned by the catholic archbishop of washington. Im joined now by Shaquille Brewster and glenn kirsnren. Shaq, whats been the reaction of protesters against the charges filed against the other three officers and the upping of charges against former officer chauvin . Reporter the reaction was quick. When that announcement came, and what you see is everyone is getting on one knee right now in honor of george floyd. Youve been seeing the scene all day. At that moment, when folks started looking at their phones and seeing that breaking news alert that the officers involved in the killing of george floyd were going to be charged, there was a tear that came about. And they all got together. There was applause, some chanting going on. At one point, everyone is saying we shall overcome. And they were teaching it to people who were unfamiliar with that song. This is a sense of community that youve been seeing all day long, all day long and all week long. If you look to the right, youll see the vigil and you see the flowers that are there. Hundreds and hundreds of flowers. This is just one of the memorials, one of the three memorials in this intersection and people still continue to come with flowers. Some people havent been here before. Some are making a return and coming back again. And im going to swing us over to the other side and you can just see theres another parking lot. In that parking lot, you see people have food. People are grilling. People have smoothies. Theres a Voter Registration sign. Look at the diversity of this crowd. Thats something that you continue to see at this site. Again, what people have been calling for and what people have continued to say is that they wanted those officers charged. Today, they finally got that. Officer chauvin, that charge was upped from third degree murder to Second Degree murder. Thats what people are calling for, from the families to the mayor to the governor. They got that. And they say that a lot of it had to do with what youre seeing here, that their protesting led to that movement and let the wheels of justice start to turn. In addition, people are saying they dont just want the conviction of the officer. Yes, they do want that. But they want to address systemic issues, systemic racism, institutional racism. Thats what people are talking about. Theyre saying they need one another to do that. So when you walk around here, you continue to overhear conversations where people try to engage and have a conversation with you about what can they do to be better . How can they solve the problem were seeing and the problems that led to the death of george floyd over a week ago . So thats the scene here. You continue to see these demonstrations go overnight. There is a curfew still in effect here in minneapolis. But this is one site, ill tell you, joy, that Police Officers have not come into. We havent seen any clashes at this site. Many people have described it to me as sacred ground. You can see everyone is now getting up from off their knees and you can see why. Wow. Shaq brewster, thank you very much. It is incredible to see the people dont understand the power of symbolism. But Colin Kaepernick and eric reed have made such a huge difference in protests. Very powerful. Glenn, let me ask you this question, because i know were showing scenes from all over the country. You see there in denver, that looks like a diein. People are lying down, symbolizing the killing of george floyd. Youre seeing that all over the country. We can just keep on scrolling, well see them all over the world, really. I think were still with you, shaq. Does it make a difference, do you think, that this was announced that it would not be the local prosecutor that would be handling this prosecution . Are you hearing back from anyone that they think it matters that its going to be a statewide prosecution, the first black attorney general of minnesota is going to be doing it . Did that matter to anyone youve talked to . Reporter some people did say they had more faith in Keith Ellison and Keith Ellison, the new attorney general, a black man, that he was the one to bring these charges against the officers. And then the fact that those officers came once he took control of the prosecution. And just to explain it briefly to our viewers, normally this charging decision comes from the county attorney, mike freeman. Hes now working in conjunction with the state attorney general. So they said they collaborated and brought these charges together in coordination with one another at that state level. Yes, you hear people mention that. So one other thing that people continue to remind me, they believe these charges should have come a week ago. It was on memorial day that video of the knee on George Floyds neck until he was unresponsive. They wanted those charges to come immediately. And now theyre finally getting it. Thank you, Shaquille Brewster, thank you very much. Really appreciate your reporting. Some chilling images from washington, d. C. Those officers all stand thing facing those protesters. Lets go to glenn. Its very difficult to prosecute Police Officers at all. But let me let you listen to attorney general ellison on the reason they went to Second Degree unintentional murder as the charge. Take a listen. Can you explain what that charge means, unintentional murder, or Second Degree intentional murder . According to minnesota law, you have to have premeditation and deliberation to charge first degree murder. Second degree murder, you have to intend for death to be the result. For Second Degree felony murder, you have to intend the felony, and then death be the result without necessarily having it be the intent. Glenn, its hard to convict Police Officers when they kill someone. How hard is this prosecution going to be in your view . Well, you know, joy, a couple of things. First of all, i see nine minutes of intent to kill george floyd on that videotape. But setting that aside, attorney general ellison decided to go with felony murder, which is much easier to prove. Let me break down felony murder in laymans terms. It means, for example, if i go into somebodys house, intending to commit a burglary, not intending to kill the homeowner, but the homeowner surprises me, i run out, i knock the homeowner down, he hits his head and dies. I didnt intend to kill the homeowner. However, he caused i did cause the death of the homeowner while i was committing a felony, a burglary, im guilty of murder. The same principle holds true here, joy. Derek chauchvin and the other officers didnt have to intend to kill george floyd. However, they were assaulting him, and during that assault, he died. Therefore, theyre on the hook for felony murder. And were out of time. So they wont be able to use the usual police defenses, which they feared for his life. Obviously hes prone, unconscious. They wont have access to those kind of defenses. Thats one reason, who are you going to believe the officers in that ridiculous defense or your own eyes when you watch the videotape . There you go. Great talking to you. Thanks. Georgia, where large protests continue, just yesterday criminal charges were quickly announced against six atlanta Police Officers after body cam video showed them tasing two black College Students saturday night. Video of the arrest went viral and added to the National Outrage over George Floyds murder and other killings of black americans by police. The swift action taken against these officers comes as protesters throughout the country call for an end to Police Killings and also for a swifter dispersal of justice or in many cases any dispersal of justice at all. Atlantas curfew has been extended for the next five days. Joining me now is the mayor of atlanta. Thank you for being here, madame mayor. You wrote a very moving opinion piece on being a black mother in america. You wrote, i cannot guarantee that i will pass freedom down to my children, but i can and will continue to fight for it and teach them how to fight for it every day. One of the best ways to fight for it is fighting to ensure that our governing bodies are led by people who value the humanity of all of man kind. Leadership matters. It matters who people elect as the d. A. How do you explain how swiftly these charges were brought in the city of atlanta, where it took so long in minneapolis . Well, what i can say, joy, you know, we have an independently elected attorney general district attorney. So the decision i made was to fire two officers. It was clear the one who tased the young lady and the one who toe tased the young man. We needed more time to sort through the video of the other two officers, and the d. A. Announced he was Going Forward with criminal charges. So really what it represents is that things have changed across america. But theres still so many cases of Police Brutality that are sitting on our district attorneys desk that havent gone forward yet. Its going to be incumbent upon all district attorneys to make sure these investigations go swiftly, because there is a new expectation in america as to how we deal with police misconduct. You think that it needs to be, you know, does the Keith Ellison attorney general handle thing case, is that a way forward, that the decisions need to be made by statewide officials who are not working directly with officers on a daytoday basis . I think in whatever way we can deal with them most efficiently. You know, again, we have to be very thoughtful about how we who we seek to protect and seven our communities. But i think its very obvious to us, that we all need to look at our policies in our various cities and make determinations and recommendations how we can do things better. Can i ask you about the concern that a lot of people have expressed that there are a lot of these protesters who are in places that were already hot spots for covid19. You have police spraying insend ra incendiaries at them which hurts their lung system. Are you concerned about an outbreak of covid . You know, for the past few months, joy, weve been urging people to avoid Mass Gatherings. So we are concerned about the spread of covid. Its the way we are directing people who have participated in these Mass Gatherings to testing sites in our city. But this is, i think, i share with so many in this country and share our concern about being able to protect our communities and our streets and being able to make a difference between the people protesters and those who are wreaking havoc. In atlanta, our policies are not to arrest protesters. So thats not the policy of any of the other state agencies that are on the ground in our city. So there are a lot of dynamics we are balancing here. And one very important one is how we deal with the other side of covid19 on these protests. Mayor, thank you very much. Really appreciate you being here tonight. Coming up, a moment of reckoning for Americas Police departments. What needs to be done right now to stop the brutality against black men and women, and yes, children. Plus, former president Barack Obamas first Public Comments on the current protests. And on Racial Injustice in america. And breaking within the last hour, Donald Trumps former secretary of defense, general james mattis, unloads on his former boss. Mattis says hes angry and appalled and he had a lot more on his mind, too. Stay with us. A lot more on his mind, too stay with us i recommend nature made vitamins. Because i trust their quality they were the first to have a vitamin verified by usp. An independent organization that sets strict quality and purity standards nature made, the 1 pharmacist recommended vitamin and supplement brand treating cancer isnt just what we do, its all we do. And now, were able to treat more patients because were innetwork with even more major insurance plans. So, if youve been turned down before, call us now. That Liberty Mutual customizes your insurance, i just love hitting the open road and telling people with even more major insurance plans. 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The mugshots of the three officers indicted today have been released. Theyve been charged with aiding and abetting the murder of george floyd. Back to president obama, who stressed the need to turn the current protest into policy, in a virtual town hall hosted by the obama foundations my brothers keeper alliance. President obama launched the program as a task force to address opportunity gaps for boys and young men in color in america after the killing of trayvon martin. He recommend ed reform in polic departments and called on every mayor in the country to review use of for the policy and commit to Police Reform and thanked those who have taken to the streets in the past week. I want to speak directly to the young men and women of color in this country. Who have witnessed too much violence and too much death. And often some of that violence has come from folks who were supposed to be serving and protecting you. I hope that you also feel hopeful, even as you may feel angry. Because you have the power to make things better, and you have helped to make the entire as if this is something that has to change. For more, im joined by britney cunningham, cohost of save the people. She moderated tonights town hall. Britney, tell us, what was the substance of the town hall, what came out of it . Well, the substance of the town hall was, i think, and im speaking of my own volition here, to make sure that were really hearing from someone with authority on this conversation, someone who has sat down, listened to communities, who have made sure to ensure that not only are our voices heard, but policies are written and pursued at the federal level. So we needed a voice like that to come back to pull us back into this moment of getting clear eyed about the road ahead. I also think that there was a really important covering of a Broad Spectrum of solution, and i think so many people get caught up in an either or. They say stop protesting, go vote. Go vote, or dont worry about voting, fix the policy. The policy work is not enough, do the abolishing of the police. We have to recognize that actually all of this makes us better. Not just because all of that conversation pushes our plan, but also because they work in conjunction with one another. So we need folks who are solving immediate issues, like issues of use of force, which we heard president obama call on mayors to look at closely. My organization is looking closely at that. And we need people to have the longterm vision for what safety and Community Looks like beyond having a Traditional Police department. Im glad a lot of people got to hear from voices on the ground, like Council Person from minneapolis, and National Voices like rashad robinson, so people can figure out where they fit in and the role they need to play in order to do this work. You know, to that point, jelani, representation matters. If you think about it, you have Keith Ellison, the first attorney general of minnesota who is the person who changes the sort of game here, and he indicts these officers, even though the announcement was usurped by the senior senator from minnesota, amy klobuchar, this is what he did. And the mayor of atlanta ensured there was swift action in firing those officers. You have Marilyn Mosley back in baltimore, a judge decided not to convict, she is the one who made that move. How important is that when you look at the vote side of what president obama said, the peace that has to be done, whereas britney made the very important part, there has to be an activist side, as well . Sure. So i think its a little complicated. The reason i say that is barack obama, one of the things hes excelled at was the politics of representation, that no matter what, no matter how complicated or difficult things got, and i know britney can speak to this, too. You know in instances like this that you were dealing with a person who understood what the fundamental politics of the relationship between communities and Law Enforcement were. And the same thing you would say about those cases in baltimore with Marilyn Mosley, even though that did not culminate in conviction. And then the kind of obvious opposite of that was the state of affairs in ferguson prior to the death of michael brown, but you had an entirely white political structure that was death to the concerns of the black community there. But the reason i want to say its more complicated is this weve seen if you go back and look, there were all these demands in the 1960s, diversify police departments. And weve seen, depending on what city youre talking about, significant change, significant diversification of the police departments. But still, very often these same sorts of problems persist. And you can look at a number of high profile shootings and high profile cases of wrongful death where there were, in fact, officers of color or africanamerican officers who were present, one of the other obvious examples is right nearby is that Philando Castillo was killed by an officer of hispanic origin. And thats not to pit anybody against anybody, but its the say it gets you something, but it doesnt get you everything. And theres a much more broad and complicated set of policies and reforms and practices that have to be in place if youre going to get more distance than that. Yeah. Indeed. According to the new york times, britney, about 20 of minneapolis population is 430,000 is back, and the minneapolis have documented using force 11,500 times for at least 6,650 arrests. By comparison, 2750 against white people, who make up 50 of the population. Is basically seven times the uses of force against black people versus white. And you have the situation of david mctee where police burst in and killed this very popular young cook. So it just keeps happening and happening. So what is the answer . Do you have an answer . Well, joy, there is an and answer. There are many answers, and those answers have an order of operation. That there are some things we need to do immediately, that are broad and sweeping that can keep people safe now. And then we need to get about the business of reimagining what Public Safety looks like all together. Listen, i think what president obama said both in his article he wrote a few days ago and in his statements were really important. A lot of people have a lot of nostalgia, and he wouldnt say the persons name, but we will. Because a lot of people have a lot of nostalgia right now because donald trump is so bad, hes so dangerous, right . But i think we have to make sure that we dont become so seduced by nostalgia that we dont remember we deserve to thrive and not just survive. We deserve to live in a world where police dont kill people and live in communities that dont even have traditional policing, because we are trusting one another enough to keep ourself safe. So those are the things that we can go after in the short term and the longterm. And we have to make sure that whomever we are electing, we are holding them accountable, not taking us back to an old normal, but taking us forward to a new norm altogether. Very well said. Were out of time. But real quick. I just want to say to brit y britneys point, president obama was clearly showing off by using those wonderful, complete sentences. Thank you both, msnbc contributors. Still ahead, President Trump has wanted a military parade since the day he was inaugurated. Does this count . More on his strongman use of the United States military, next. Te United States military, next usaa was made for right now. And right now, is a time for action. 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Secretary of defense mark esper, who has been denounced in taking part of trumps stage photoop on monday has come out this morning against invoking the insurrection act, giving trump the authority to send military forces to counter protests around the country. Option to use active duty forces should only be used as a matter of last resort and only in the most dire of situations. I do not support invoking the insurrection act. And now, breaking from the atlantic. The former secretary of defense general james mattis, who has barely spoken out or rarely spoken out, has come out with this blistering condemnation of trump. Donald trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the american people. Does not even pretend to try. Instead, he tries to divide us. We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him. Drawing on the strength inherent in our civil society. For more, im joined by democratic congresswoman chrissy hulihan. Thank you very much for being here. I want to let you listen to a fellow elected official, a member of congress, a member of the United StatesSenate Tammy Duckworth speaking out mark esper. Take a listen, the current secretary of defense. Just minutes before he followed behind the president along with the general like two lap dogs carrying out this president s really twisted idea of what the military is supposed to do, secretary esper was on the phone to our nations governors, calling the space around the u. S. Capitol the battle space. He was talking about american soil. So he knew exactly what he was doing when he decided to support donald trump in this, instead of standing up to this president and saying sir, no. You are politicizing the military. This is not the appropriate use of our military. Instead, he went right along with it. And that is very scary to me, andrea. General millie she referred to is the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff. Your thoughts on the president s use of the military . Thank you for having me. I have to agree with senator duckworth which is im enormously disappointed and we should all understand the power of imagery is really important. If theres one thing that we learned about this president , hes taught us how important images are, and that the procession from the white house to the center of the church by i believe that everybody should have known what was happening. Its one thing to do it, another to apologize. Im grateful that the secretary esper has apologized but you cant unsee what happened. I am grateful that general mattis has stepped in to talk about this situation. He, i think, has really called protesters wholesome. It is our constitutional right to protest in this way. And it is not an appropriate use of our military. I served in the military, as did my dad and my grandfather. We didnt take the oath of office to be a backdrop for the president of the United States. As a veteran, as you said, as a family who comes from a family with a military tradition, i want to show you these pictures where you can see them. These are military vehicles driving up the streets of washington, d. C. On tuesday. And so there was that image, that the American Public there it is. You see these big hummers driving down the street. There was also this very jarring image that a lot of people commented on. I commented on, lots of people did. Troops lined up in front of the lincoln memorial, a very strange image on american soil. These troops on the lincoln memorial. And this third one, a military helicopter flying low over protesters in d. C. On monday. Sort of buzzing almost the protesters. What have you ever seen anything like that or inside of the military tradition, is that something thats meant to be done to your own countrymen . Well, this is certainly an improper use of military equipment under any circumstance for the folks who are piloting it, as well as the people on the ground. Its an incredibly worrisome image we see on our own land and on our own soil. It is incredibly alarming to see, as you demonstrated the folks standing on the steps of the memorial, with no apparent rank or insignia. I would like not just an apology from secretary about the impropriety about what he did, but an explanation how hes going to withdraw the troops he has activated. I would like to know how many have been activated, what kind they are, and when they will be withdrawn as a result of his statements. I want to play you President Trump still threatening to use military force against american people. Take a listen. The national guard, we could solve that problem in new york. If they dont get their act straight, ill solve it. Ill solve it fast. General mattis referred to donald trump as a threat to income a the democracy at this point. Do you agree with him . I believe the president s statement that he would be able to send in active duty military to a place like new york is unconstitutional. Its simply unamerican. And for those of us who know this nation to be a republic, it is not republican, it is incredibly worrisome that we are allowing this narrative something that we are accepting into the national ethos, because this is what the constitution was designed and our Founding Fathers did to make sure that we didnt end up in this position where our king was dictating where our nations resources, our military was going. Were out of time. But the people that you served with, do you believe they would use force against fellow americans . So all of us who took that oath of office, and we take it every single time were promoted, none of us, i believe, ever would have imagined that we would have taken that oath to shoot rubber bullets or tear gas our own citizenry, full stop. We certainly hope that you are correct. Thank you so much. We appreciate your time tonight. Still ahead, one of the nations most prominent conservative columnists makes the case for getting rid of donald trump. Stay with us. E case for getting donald trump stay with us wherever you go when were all free to roam, midas can help get you there. Through july 4th celebrate your freedom with our 17. 76 oil change. That includes a tire rotation. When youre ready, your car should be too. Midas. Your car should be too. Some Companies Still have hr stuck between employeesentering data. A. Changing data. More and more sensitive, personal data. And it doesnt just drag hr down. It drags the entire business down with inefficiency, errors and waste. 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Tell lawmakers and Governor Newsom dont cut our students future. Pass a state budget that protects our public schools. Welcome back. After Police Used Tear Gas to clear the way for donald trump to visit st. Johns church in washington monday night, some republican senators, including still scott and Lisa Murkowski spoke out against it. But Many Republican senators avoided the topic or claimed they didnt know what happened. When nbcs kasie hunt asked them about it. Senator mcconnell, what the president did last night, was it the right thing to do . What the president did to Peaceful Protesters that was dispersed with tear gas, he walked across the street i didnt see it. Was clearing the protesters an abuse of power . Senator, are you concerned about what happened at the white house last night . Wow, in a recent column, george f. Will writes that trump must be removed and so must his congressional enablers. He notes, we are the sum of our choices. Congressional republicans have made theirs for more than 1200 days. We cannot know all the measures necessary to restore the nations Domestic Health and international standing. But we know the first state. Senate republicans must be routed. Im joined now by george f. Will. Thank you very much for being here. What is that . What is that that happens to an adult man who has power of his own, but who cannot even bring himself to simply speak out against, you know, tear gassing fellow americans, what do you think about that in its very simple, its fear. Theyre terrified of their own voters and the republican base. Because they know from the lesson of senator corker of tennessee, former senator, and former senator make flashg of arizona, and they know one tweet from the president can inflame their bases, which theyre terrified. So for that reason, theyve outsourced their consciences and decided to show no loyalty to the coequal branch of government they serve, which means our constitutional equ equilibrium is destroyed. You have senator duckworth saying we need congressional oversight. Weve seen from this president they can send all the subpoenas they want, but the president feels no obligation to cooperate with that investigative and oversight function of congress. So its an old saying. When failure proliferates unpunished, you get a proliferation of failure. The same is true with this kind of behavior. If republicans yeah, but at the same time, you have steve king, who has been as loyal to donald trump as he can be. Hes been denounced even to the right of donald trump on things like immigration, accused of white supremacy, all sorts of things. He lost his attempt to be retain his seat to somebody who is even more trumpy. He was accused of not being trumpy enough. It doesnt always work out that way. Remember, hes been at these lurid over the top statements for more than a decade. And more than a decade of that will get you in trouble. But that doesnt change the fact that the fundamental dynamic is that the Republican Party today is more united under donald trump, more thoroughly his party than it ever was under teddy roosevelt, under Dwight Eisenhower or under ronald reagan. So if you believe that donald trump is a menace and a threat to the civic norms of this country, then you have to say that the party that is so homogenized behind him is also that. And can only learn a lesson by a severe purging. What do you make of general mattis, who has been very tight lipped about donald trump . He has not criticized barely at all, even in his book, now coming out and calling donald trump nothing less than a threat to the constitution, is it just distance, is it time, or is it a reflex to defend the military. What do you think that is . I think we have to understand that a marine general, steeped in the code of civilian control, steeped in control of keeping the military, even the exmilitary out of politics, had to be provoked long and hard to go against all the instincts learned under a 50year military career, to intervene in politics. I salute him for doing so, and i honor him for his reluctance to do so. That makes his timely intervention now all the more forceful. Consequences if Republican Voters listen to you and say its time to say no lets get rid of every single republican in the senate that they are capable of voting out . What will happen to the Republican Party . Do you foresee a time when republicans develop amnesia about having been so solicit does of donald trump . Or what happens to that party longterm . Im fairly confident that he will be defeated, mr. Trump will be defeated, in the election. And the next morning, a lot of republicans will say, trump . I dont recognize the name. Theyll get over this fairly fast. Our parties are very durable. Our two parties have formulated the political competition in this country since the republicans first ran a president ial ticket in 1856. The Republican Party will survive. What the Republican Party needs like we parents say when dealing with an intractable child, it needs a timeout, and i think theyre going to get one. George f. Will predicting trumpwho will trend if and when donald trump is defeated in november. Thank you very much, sir, appreciate you being here. Up next, some new numbers that are not looking so good, speaking of that, for donald trump. And because we dont know exactly when this crisis is going to be over and we dont know exactly when the stock market will reach its bottom, weve got to be prepared for this to last a long time. If you assume that youre out of work for nine months but you end up only being out of work for three, well thats great. 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As the white house scrambles to spin trumps use of military force on american citizens, the condemnation is near universal. Tonight his own former secretary of defense general mattis calls him a threat to the constitution. Lieutenant general Russell Honore is here. And exmarine gallego, why he says Congress Wont stand for martial law. New charges in the murder of george floyd and the