Help all americans who have been impacted by this. And this will pass. This will pass through and were going to bine stronger for it. Among other things, Officials Say they have a partnership with google to launch a website that will help americans decide whether they need testing. And much like we are now seeing in a community in new york state, they also announced that drivethru testing will become available in some places for those in need. U. S. Testing capacity has so far lagged behind other countries, the white house is taking a series of steps intended to boost their availability. However trump pointedly refused to take responsibility for failures in testing to date. Dr. Fauci said earlier this week that the lag in testing was, in fact, a failing. Do you take responsibility for that. No, i dont take responsibility at all because we were given a a set of circumstances and we were begin rules, regulations and specifications from a different time. It wasnt meant for this kind of an event. And that is not the fall of anybody and frankly the old system worked very well for smaller numbers. Much smaller numbers. But not for these kind of numbers. Now as of tonight, nearly every state in the United States has confirmed coronavirus cases. With a total number of people infected exceeding 2,100 nationwide, a 21 fold increase from the beginning of the month as u. S. Health expert dr. Anthony fauci warned of an acceleration of cases but he did say mitigation should help to blunt the impact. The next few weeks for most americans is obviously what youre going to see is an acceleration of cases. There is no doubt about it because that is how these outbreaks work. Two things were looking for. A. , things will get worse before they get better but, b. , what is happening now with many more tests going out very, very shortly with people now very seriously taking containment and mitigation into effect, hopefully well be able to blunt that peak. That is what i see in the next few weeks. Meanwhile, more governors are shutting down their schools in their states, including now oregon, new mexico, michigan, virginia and the District Of Columbia among others. The state of louisiana today became the first to postpone a president ial primary. It had been scheduled for april 7th and now rescheduled for the june. And the pga canceled the players championship following other major sports leagues that have also suspended their seasons. Disney, meanwhile, announced it is closing parks and canceling cruise ship departures and the city of boston has postponed the marathon scheduling it now for september. Im joined now by the mayor of oakland, california, libby schaaf, former fema administrator Craig Frugate and mike florts and thank you for joining us. Craig, a National Emergency declared today by the president. So what will be different now . What will be the case now that wasnt the case before this emergency was declared, what does it mean . Well you already had hhs and their authorities but this now brings the ability to reimstate and local governments for direct federal assistance and now fema is hhs is the lead and now they could look at what additional assistance could be in the next coming weeks and fema could fund that with the coordination and the direct federal assistance. Mayor, let me ask you. We have the explanation there on the flow chart how this all works but in your city, a state of emergency declared nationally, is that something that may be useful to you now or down the road . Absolutely. And oakland has already been coordinating with our federal partners and our state partners as weve had this operation to disembark the passengers from the grand princess cruise ship. But we need fema. We need every level of government to make the right decisions to prevent human suffering, to prevent the spread of this virus. I could tell you that at local level, those of you who are mayors in the communities, are seeing such tremendous anxiety and fear. But this is a time that we must be driven by facts, not fear. And take the precautions that are within our power right now to prevent the spread of this virus. That is what were doing in oakland. We announced today the closure of our Public School system, all of our recreation, libraries, senior centers, and so that is going to be incredibly disruptive. We need the federal government to help our lowwage workers, to help our First Responders have the adequate protective equipment. These are things that we really need the federal government to step up to help us right here on the ground. Doctor, you heard Anthony Fauci say the idea it is going to get worse before it gets better and also said the steps now being taken could lead to blunting the worst of that. So much emphasis on testing. Take us through the importance of testing, and what that could mean in terms of blunting it as he said. Theoretically, you could limit the amount of closures that you have to do, the amount of all of the shut downs were seeing. If you could accurately test tons of people and identify what are the hot spots, where is it tra transmitted and you could inform being more strategic but as it is we dont know we dont have a great handle on how wide spread this is. And we arent able to just have anyone with a little slight symptom go in and get cleared and say youre fine to go back to work, we have to say no. Well how far are we from that situation. You hear limited number of testing and the capacity is low, folks who say maybe i have something, cant get a test. How far are we from a situation where somebody can just go in and get that drivethru test were hearing about . This week dr. Fauci said there could be about a million in ideally about two weeks and weve heard more and we might see it sooner but were a very long way to say that anyone with minor symptoms is going to get tested. We need them for people who are sick and to know exactly who has it and who doesnt and needs to be where in the hospital. And what goes into that . There is still a limit for the capacity of testing and what goes into marshalling the resources and distributing the resources and determined all sorts of important col clagss li calculations like that. And the lead is hhs but we have to understand we dont have enough test kits right now and that is why were doing the social distancing on a scale weve never done before. That by time slow this down and as was pointed out, when you get more testing, we could be more strategic. But now is the time to take these acs to slow this down. Because there is going to be finite resources. This is what we did when we dealt with h1n1. If we could not get that curve down we could overstress the system and find out selves what italy is facing. There are resources but they are finite and they need to go where the the greatest number of the patients are and if we could all do our part, wash our hands, keep our distance, and stay home if we can stay home and we have to go into work, we need due diligence, if you are not feeling well, stay home, to give time for testing but also to keep the system from being overwhelmed, to allow patients that do become sick to get the maximum treatment available. Mayor, with we talk about the states that are now closing down their schools statewide. In your city, oakland, california, the decision now to close the schools. I believe through the first week of april at least. Talk a little bit, if you would, about the decision about what you think it will achieve and i one of the questions that comes to mind is, okay, the kids arent going to be in schools, are they going to be staying home or are they going to be outside or socializing . How much are you limiting potential exposure here . Well, that is why that in concert with the School Closures the city is closing down the library and the Recreation Centers and sending clear messages to parents to keep kids at home. We dont want them to be spreading the disease to other vulnerable parts of our community. But this decision was not taken lightly. But we have an opportunity to take what we know about the spread of this disease and prevent it spread. Like the doctor said, flatten the curve. Avoid stress on our fragile health care system. And so that is what were trying to do. But we really are going to need help. Because we have so many families here in oakland that live barely paycheck to paycheck many of them will have to miss work, stay home to take care of those kids that have nowhere to go right now. So these are part of the unintended consequences of some of the decisions that were having to make. But i feel very confident that this is the right thing to do. Were also learning today that the mayor of miami tested positive for coronavirus after interacting last weekend with a brazilian Government Official who has contracted the virus. The mayors diagnosis comes after we learned that the president and Vice President were also in proximity to that brazilian official last weekend at maralago. Trump today downplayed his risk but now said he will most likely get tested. Dr. Fauci said this morning, if you stand next to somebody who tested positive, you should selfisolate and get a test. You say youre white house doctor is telling you something different. Who should americans listen to . And my second i think they have to listen to the doctors. And i think they shouldnt be jumping to get the test unless it is necessary. Dr. S have you said you might have it even if you dont have symptoms. Are you being selfish by not being tested. I didnt say i was going to be tested. Are you going to be . Most likely. Not for that reason because i think i will do it any way. Will you let us know the results. Were working on that. Were working out a schedule. And tonight the Washington Post is reporting that a second person who visited maralago last weekend has tested positive as well. Doctor, there is this question of what every day americans should be doing if they think they have a symptom or been around somebody and youve discussed that there is an issue right now with the ability to test people who dont have obvious symptoms of it, dont present an obvious case. But what is what is the practice c the practical vice to someone with a slight fever or not too dramatic but makes them hey hmm. In an ideal world everyone would get tested and have access to health care and be able to if they test positive take themselves out of you go into quarantine where you wont go home and affect your family and your community. We dont have that right now. So we have to presumptively say as soon as you are sick isolate yourself as best as possible. And we currently, most places, dont have a run on hospital beds but we anticipate that we will so we have to keep updates daytoday as to who needs to check in. There is triage by telemedicine to say here are the symptoms and the risk factors, do i need to go to the hospital or do i not the and those are critical. What are the next steps in terms of the administration and the federal government, the state of emergency now declared, you heard those steps that were outlined today, what should come next . Well, were buying time. This is why i think in the state of florida they announced today theyre going to shutting down schools and extend spring break because were buying time. If we could do enough social distancing on large scale, were buying time to get the testing and get everybody ready as we get more cases. So the federal government particularly the lead agencies with hhs, theyre focused on that and working with the state Public Health and as they track cases and tracking what is happening. Fema is planning for what happens when with you start seeing disruptions. And again there is a lot of planning to do that everybody hopes with we dont have to implement but theyll start looking at next steps. And the other thing we have to start thinking about is disasters are not stopping. So we have tornados in nashville a couple of weeks ago and we have flooding are risk in other places, Severe Weather is still occurring. So the other part fema has to look at is how do they continue to respond to disasters with coronavirus potentially in the populations of impact. Everything from evacuation to shelters, to how do you do recovery and what steps are are you going to do and what are you going to postpone while this virus is present. Craig, dr. James and mayor libby schaaf from oakland, california. Thank you for joining us. Appreciate that. And dr. Anthony fauci said things are going to get worse before they get better so if our Health System prepared for a smi a spike in coronavirus cases. Plus critics are painting Donald Trumps response to the coronavirus pandemic and hes firing back at them and at barack obama. We have much more to get to. Stay with us. Ts go to a commer. Ts go to a commer. Nooooooo not another commercial when you bundle your home, auto and Life Insurance with allstate you could save 25 . In fact, the more you bundle the more you can save. 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Today the trump tried to assure americans that the government would be able to meet testing needs. An investigation by the atlantic found that only roughly 16,000 covid19 tests have been performed in the United States as of early march. That would put the United States far behind other developed countries. Dr. Aaron carol, a pediatrician who writes for the New York Times explains that tests help medical professionals know how many people are ill and warns that according to estimates 10 to 20 of those affected may require hospitalization. In say metropolitan setting the numbers who need care could easily overwhelm our capacity to provide it. And according to New York Times even hospitals with the worlds best Health Care Risk becoming triage wards forcing doctors and nurses to make extraordinary decisions about who may live and who may die. Im joined by dr. Ann mary kim bell from the washington, and dr. Carol, we just read what he had to say about this. Dr. Kimball, how much testing is going to be required, what is the timetable on that testing to get these answers to how fatal this is, what the infection rate and basic questions that everybody is asking . Well that is a very good question. And, in fact, were well behind the curve on our testing. Let me explain, south korea should be our model. And south korea has done 120,000 tests. And they have a population of 51 Million People. We have a population of 350 Million People. And as you just said, we have about 16,000 tests total that weve done since the beginning of this threat. And what you do testing for is to understand how you do social distance most efficiently and with the least disruption to people. So were way behind the curve. Dr. Carol, how did this happen . How did it happen that south korea is able to just get people in and out and do all of the tests and the United States, the number is 16,000 in a country of this many people with this much concern right now . It is a great question. It appears that we originally turned down the opportunity to take a test that was developed and used by the w. H. O. It turns out then we might have been slow in accepting some of the tests that universities were actually trying to do. And weve been slow in letting businesses and other companies try to get testing going. And were just way behind. And of course lots of people are pointing the blame in Different Directions and we might not know for sometime exactly where the lesion is but there is no question there is a big lesion. What do you make, dr. Carol, at that press conference today, that event at the white house with all of the leaders of the federal government response, one point that was made was that some of the data coming back from south korea where there is extensive testing is pointing to a lot of people being tested, a lot of people thinking they have symptoms, having some symptoms but proportionally a lot of them being negative is that an encouraging sign that youre seeing sat all in the data from south korea. I dont know that it is encouraging. The more people you test, especially people with low or no symptoms, the more negatives you get. If you are only testing people sick and in hospitals youll get a much larger number. Until we decide to test randomly or testing huge parts of the population, well sick and well have those who show certain symptoms but even then we dont know. Were running so few tests that we only know the percentage of people who have really high likelihood of being ill, what percent of them are sick. Dr. Kimball, were entering into the phase where major events is canceled and social distance is the norm and folks told to work from home and not seeing people out there nearly to the degree you did just a couple of days ago. This allows testing and this will slow as best possible, the spread of this. But im wondering what happens once the testing is done and once officials have a much better handle on the infection rate and all of the questions raised here. Without an effective treatment and without a vaccine, if we leave this state that were in right now of shutting so much down, isnt it just going to start spreading like wildfire . You mean if you open it back up. Yeah, if we go back to holding, you know, kids go back to school, sporting events happen again. Sure, sure. Concerts are on, you know. Sure. No, actually what were working for here is probably a limited time of this much social distancing. But we really wont know without the data. So were all watching for more testing. But more than that, were watching the curve of cases. And right now were in a very vulnerable phase. Where we could see it go up as fast as it went up in italy and in korea and were talking weeks. Were not talking a plo a month when we get 5 million tests, were talking next week. We need broadcast testing and broad access to understand the epidemic. As we understand it and as we get the data, that is when we could begin to hone our special distancing and say maybe in this neighborhood or maybe in this event we have the data to say this is actually effective, over here weve seen it is not effective. We wont do that any more. Those are are the kinds of choices that Public Health makes. And thats what were waiting to do when we get the data. Weve got some information from other countries. We know what worked in china, we know what works in korea. And were watching italy as it unrolls. So we in the United States have the advantage of looking at other peoples history and how they dealt with this and were trying to put in those social distancing strategies here to see if we could have the same effective clamp down that wo down that weve seen in hong kong and singapore, et cetera. Doctor, im curious what you make of what youre seeing in the countries overseas and the statistics. Im just a layman but i read articles and see numbers and i look at italy and the numbers are terrifying what you see coming out of there in terms of the number of cases versus the number of deaths and that rate seems extremely high. You see numbers from south korea that maybe suggest something not not bad but maybe not quite as bad. What do you make of what youre seeing from the scattered reports around the world . Well, when you look at a country like korea, if they are testing a ton of people, a small percentage are very, very ill. The much more concerning numbers are out of italy. That is the cautionary tale. Where theyve had such an increase of very sick people, that it is overwhelming the hospital systems. There are only so many ventilators and respiratory therapists and doctors and beds to go around and if too many people get sick at the same time there is not enough resources to care for them. You have to start turning away people there for elective procedures or people who want to go to the hospital for another reason. And more importantly, you have to start turning away people who need really intensive care for coronavirus because you just dont have it. And then you really have to triage who will get care and who will not. That is what we have to worry about. President trump was asked if the administration is prepared to prevooid hospital to provide hospitals with the equipment they need. This is what he said. Were in the process and in some cases have already done it, ordered a large number of respirators just in case. We hope we dont need them but weve ordered a large number. When you look at the capacity of health care and hospitals and icus, how much does that need to be ramped up sort of proactively . Well let me back up a little bit because remember that fully onethird of americans dont have easy access to health care. So thats been a big problem. We dont have a situation where anybody in our country can go and see a doctor without having it cost that person a significant amount. So thats the first barrier. And then when you get into, as you know, 20 of the people who have this get seriously ill so if you estimate that we need about 120,000 beds or so, thats about what weve got. But you could have a lot more getting ill than that. And the scenario suggests up to 500,000 people who will need hospital beds and or icu care. There is clearly a mismatch here. Just to let you know, the ratio of beds to population in korea was 15, our ratio of beds to population is 2. 3 and italy was about 2. 3 as well. So were more in the italy camp in terms of our fragility of our Health System. And that is why it is even more important for us to understand this epidemic as it plays out in our communities. And just practically speaking if the resources and the will to provide the resources is there, that is what the president is saying, practically speaking, how long would it take to beef up that capacity to be in a better position than italy was. I think you could do it very quickly, actually. With field hospitals and other temporary measures. Dr. Carol, you were going to say . Im going to go be a little bit more pessimistic. First of all hospitals dont stay in business by keeping icus and ventilators unused. And it is also flu season so they are still being used. It will still take time to build new ventilators and we dont know where to send them. So it would taketime even if we push them to where they needed to be, it would still take time to know where exactly the problem spots are and the campus toyota do that and the ability to send them that quickly is not really clear. Doctors, thank you both for joining us. Appreciate it. Thank you. Up next from travel and tourism to shipping and manufacturing, bars and restaurants and news and entertainment, you name it, every industry in america will feel the Economic Impact of this outbreak. Is a recession inevitable . Is there Anything Congress can do to blunt the effects . Were back after this. E back af. The allnew silverado hd adds to the legendary capability of the strongest, most advanced silverados ever. With best in class Camera Technology and larger, more functional beds than any competitor. 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The package includes free coronavirus testing, and two weeks of paid sick, family and medical leave. Also strengthen Unemployment Insurance and boost Food Security initiatives. This comes only a few hours after trump slammed the democrats for not doing enough without specifying what he thought the bill was missing. Well we just dont think theyre giving enough. We dont think the democrats are giving enough. Were negotiating. We thought we had something but all of a sudden they didnt agree to certain things that they agreed to. So we could have something but we dont think theyre giving enough. Theyre not doing what is right for the country. Im joined now by gene sperling, former director of the National Economic development under president obama and clinton. And the news from nancy pelosi, well see how the president publicly reacts to hear that. Well bring that to you if it does. But the news of the pending deal came after the markets closed. So we showed that green print there, the market that hadnt seen in a while, that came after the news of the Emergency Declaration in that the press event that the president held there. What do you make of the markets going up the way they did after that. Well i think that what youve had is a lot of investors feeling the way a lot of cal a lot of typical families are is theyve seen a incredibly slow and incompetence response which makes them uncertain about not only the depth corona crisis but the length and when the market cant see any response, any bottom or any duration length, people have fear. They have fear justli they hat like we do. I think after two months of utter incompetence, at least a glimmer they were dealing with the health issue, that they were bringing people together. Well still have to see. But again, this is not a financial problem. This is the markets responding to Health Care Response by our government that is leading to serious risk in harm, not just on the health side but for families and our economy. So i think when they saw a glimmer of something, at least you got at least some response. But, again, our focus should be on the economy our focus should be on the health risk. If those things are being taken care of, the market will take care of itself. What nancy pelosi announced today and my hat off to her, congratulations, is an important down payment. It is not the big sweeping economic response, but what is critical about it is that it is doing the quick emergency things that is kind of, i guess i would say, a winwin. They are wins in that they are helping people and families who are getting hit the hardest but also things that will help contain the community spread. Because if you know you have sick paid leave, if you know you have nutrition, if you know you could get free testing, those things are going to make people more willing to see how theyre doing, more willing to tell their employer if theyre sick and more willing to stay home and selfisolate if they have symptoms. The this morning the president tweeted if you want to get money into the hands of people quickly and efficiently, let them have the full money they earned. Approve a payroll tax cut until the end of the year, december 31st, then youre doing something really meaningful. Only that will make a big difference. The initial reporting from Nancy Pelosis side on this does not say anything about a payroll tax reduction. If this is not part of the apackage agreed to here and you talk about a down payment, do you think that the next wave, if there is a next wave, should include Something Like a payroll tax reduction. I think we need another wave. I think it needs to be fast and bold and needs to be in the hundreds of billion dollars. But i will say that while i have helped negotiate a payroll tax cut in the past, when there was literally nothing else we could get through a republican congress, and since it is better than nothing. For this particular type of economic crisis, it is a particularly bad remedy. First of all, somebody making 120,000 is going to get four times more than the person struggling at 30,000. That doesnt make sense from a moral point of view, it doesnt make sense from a economic point of view. Half of his would go to to corporations and companies. So i think what we do need to see is, i think, you need to see, one, a big surge of a big medical surgeon all of the things your guests are talking about so we have capacity. As much as it takes. Number two, this is something joe biden talked about yesterday, but youre going to need a major state and local fund, emergency plan, a bigger increase in the medicaid share because if youre not helping the people on the front lines who are dealing with the problems, were not going to be able to take care of this quickly. And i think that third youre going to just have to do a lot more even for the people that nancy pelosi was trying to help. Youre going to have to do more on mortgage and rental and student Loan Interest and not just the forbearance but helping when they cant make the payment and cover people who are gig economy workers who are getting reduced numbers of hours and then if we need to do a payment to people, lets do it in a way that will help the people who are hurting the most. So i think it is not a payroll tax cut. It is a form of a payment that goes predominantly to workers making under 100,000 or 75,000 and broad enough to go to seniors, unpaid caregivers and people with disabilities. Something like that as part of this larger package. I think it would be the type of thing that would actually help our economy and if our economy looks better, if it looks like were taking care of the Health Care Risk, the market will take care of itself. Gene spurling, thank you for taking a few minutes. Thank you, steve. Up next, how big of a Campaign Issue will President Trumps leadership in this National Crisis become . Who benefits . Dont go anywhere. Get em while theyre hot. Applebees 25 cent boneless wings are back in your choice of three sauces. Applebees 25 cent boneless wings wean air force veteran made of doing whats right,. Not whats easy. So when a hailstorm hit, usaa reached out before he could even inspect the damage. Thats how you do it right. 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In his address to the nation on wednesday night, the New York Times report that while he presents himself as the commanding figure, hes become a bystander as business officials take it upon themselves to shut down much of American Life without guidance from the president. One day after urging the nation to, quote, put politics aside in the speech on wednesday, the president went on the offensive. On thursday he attacked former Vice President joe biden for the Obama Administrations handle of the 2009 swine flu outbreak. Then lashed out today criticizing the cdc for what he called inadequate Testing Process and falsely blaming president obama saying he made changes that only complicated things further. The response to h1n1 swine flu with a full scale disaster. The president s declaration put his leadership on the crisis back in the spotlight. That is coming up. 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And this just two days after telling the American Public to, quote, put politics aside, today he took shots at his predecessor, barack obama. I want to thank google. Google is developing a website. It is going to be very quickly done. Unlike websites of the past, to determine whether a test is warranted and to facilitate testing at a nearby convenient location. Seemed to be a shot there at barack obama. His Administration Health care site a few years ago. The president is a prized his twitter attacks on the Obama Administration handling of the swine flu outbreak. If you go back to the swine flu, it was nothing like this. They didnt do testing like this. And they didnt do the testing. They started thinking about testing when it was far too late. What weve done and one of the reasons that i think people are respecting what weve done mr. President mr. President the last administration said they tested a Million People at this point. Youve been well ask them how they did with the swine flu. Next, please. Next please. [ inaudible ]. They had a big failure with swine flu. A very big failure. Im joined by howard dean and john pod hor witz, thanks for being with us. Howard dean, the president , those remarks we just showed there, shades of the style he brings to pretty much everything. With well, the problem is that the president kind of is irrelevant at this point. The state Health Departments have done a good job. And local people have done a great job and the National Government is failing us. People dont respect the president and you just played two clips about why. I dont watch the president on television any more because i know everything he said is made up in his head. I cant tell what he believes and what he doesnt. And i think were all ignoring and im quite proud of americans for doing the right thing. Without any guidance from the president or the National Government because of local Health Departments by both republican and under both republican and democratic governors. Theyre the ones that are the stars here. And the American People. John, what do you make of the president the last couple of weeks a lot of what he was saying publicly seemed to be downplaying it. Do you see a shift here meaningfully in his posture . How do you see it . Wednesday night until today. Wednesday night he speaks. The market drops 2,000 points. Everyone in the white house goes oh my god, we went the wrong way. And so today, they had this sort of substantive meeting. They had you know, bring out every single ceo in america practically to say well help, were going to help. Were going to do this. Were going to do that. Within hour and ten minutes and you picked up a couple clips he got partisan but that was not the overall tone which was ponderous, almost exhausting to listen to in the pretty boring details about whats going on. I will say if i could just say that im thrilled to hear howard dean becoming a responsible federalist opposing with the notion of what is really important is local and state action because that is actually that sense, if whats happened here is that the local and state governments have been empowered and washington is off to the side in terms of a National Crisis, thats a good thing. Thats actually how our country is supposed to work. President trump was pressed on his decision to downsize the White House National soecurity staff to address global pan d pandemics. You said you dont take responsibility but you did disband the White House Pandemic Office and officials working in that office left this administration abruptly so what responsibility do you take to that and officials that work in that office, said the white house lost valuable time because that office was disbanded. What do you make of that . I think its a nasty question because what weve done and tony had said numerous times that we saved thousands of lives because of the quick closing. And when you say me, i didnt do it. We have a grown up of people. Well, howard dean you said youre not paying too much attention to the president on this. Im wondering about your party to unseat him this year. Is this something they think voters are paying attention to . Is this something they see as a reason voters might vote him out . Is it part of the strategy . Well, look, you have to respect a president in order to vote for him and he does have a hard core as he once said himself. Really would elect him even if he did shoot somebody on fifth avenue. But most people dont like this kind of stuff. They really dont. They would like a normal president who will bring the country together and that everybody can respect no matter what party theyre in. Barack obama was such a president. This president is not such a president. Even george w. Bush was a divisive but didnt have a decisive personality. I cant imagine him saying anything like what donald trump just said. How do you look at this, john, from that standpoint . Weve heard the argument before. We heard it in 2016 campaign that this trump style is not something the American People would want as the president now. Do you think this because of the nature of it, its a pandemic and degree of dread out there in this country, they look at his leadership differently now . For sure. I mean, this is going to make or break the presidency. There are there are parts of it that are totally beyond his control. If the pandemic is not as bad as we fear it will be and if somehow this kind of fades in a couple of months, then well be dealing with it in a different way, but dont think that the market going into, you know, dont think that this administration doesnt think the market becoming a bare market almost entirely because of this news, it was at its alltime high on february 22nd. This is what march 13th. This is no joke. Its gone down 9,000 points or 8,000 points in three weeks. They know this is death for them, so they will do whatever he can tap dance and blame obama and all of that, but the facts will be the facts and the public will go to the polls voting on how he handled this. Its interesting. You made the point at that event today, he took his shots at obama but there was it seemed ade ade a deliberate tone that the different than what he usually strikes. If the market got his attention and the market sort of forced his hand on that and the market is now up today, how sustainable is that do you think in terms of changing his approach . I dont know it sustainable because he could i believe based on how we watched him, he could now take a victory lap and say this is great. See, it went down 2,000. I brought it back up 2,000. Now everybody likes me. It all going to be fine and by monday, hell be attacking nancy pelosi on twitter and they will be sort of they wont make a deal on the a package and then the market will crash again and then well be in this kind of classic i mean, in 2008 when the market was tanking, went up and down. It would go down 1,000 points during the same day. Were nowhere out of the woods here. I mean, maybe if he were quiet, but, you know. Howard dean . I dont think i actually dont think i mean, i think the president has something to do with the market drops because people dont have confidence on wall street, either. Here is what is going to happen. The market guy rations are based on fear. They are not based on the economy. Three months from now when we see the economic damages, i mean, i spent my week in washington, new york and philadelphia. The streets were virtually empty relatively speaking. Amtrak was at 25 capacity. Usually you have to fight for a seat. That is what is really going to hurt the market. Thats what is going to tank the airlines and Transportation Industry and tank a bunch of other things, consumption is going to go down. Thats going to lead to a recession. Thats the real problem here. Its not just trumps bad temper and foulness, its the fact that hes about to usher in a big recession and that is going to be a big problem. All right. Howard dean and john, thank you both for being with us and be sure to tune in tonight at 10 00 p. M. For a special edition of the last word. 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Nancy pelosi and House Speaker hammered out a deal with treasury secretary Steve Mnuchin on a coronavirus aid package that includes free testing and paid emergency leave. This afternoon, the president paraded out to inform americans he quote takes no responsibility for