Trump was vilifying an imaginary threat from his opponents toward the american way of life, he downplayed the very real threat posed to americans millions and millions and millions of americans from the coronavirus saying most cases are totally harmless. Now, we have tested almost 40 million people. By so doing, we show cases. 99 of which are totally harmless. Nope, nope. Thats not true. Today White House Press secretary Kayleigh Mcenany defended his comments saying that he just meant most people will recover. But that wasnt the only unhinged vision donald trump spelled out over the weekend during not one but two speeches. First, standing in front of mount rush more on the eve of Independence Day and again on washington on the 4th. Our nation is witnessing a mersless campaign to erase our values and indocket rate our children. The goal is not a better america. Their goal is to end america. We will never allow an angry mop to tear down our statues, erase our history, indoctrinate our children or trample on our freedoms. Together we will fight for the american dream. And we will defend, protect, and preserve american way of life. Uhhuh. Of this weekends remarks, of course, more than three and a half years into his presidency. And all that division was created on his watch. And the targets of trumps conspiracy mongering were out in full force this weekend. Like the woman in arizona dubbed the latest karen who destroyed a target mask display while sporting a 40,000 rolex. And the california couple who painted over a black lives matter mural claiming that racism is a leftist lie. But last but not least, theres the florida congressional candidate who claimed beyonce was on notice claiming she is actually italian, not black as he tries to heal racial divides. The Washington Post reports some republicans fret, mostly privately to avoid his wrath, that his fixation leaves their Party Running against the currents of change. Following his own instincts on race will carry him to victory. Trump allies say the president s words and actions are not racist, they say, but rather just attentive to his core voters. For more im joined by former senator al franken, host of the al franken podcast. It is great to talk to you. I have wanted to interview you for a very long time, sir. Many, many years ago you wrote a book that had the term big fat idiot in it. And youve also wrote a book called lies, lying liars and the liars who tell them. And so i wonder what you make of the idea that donald trump, in his own mind, thinks that there is an electoral majority for open racist white grievance politics and that republicans seeing him do that can only criticize that quietly to avoid his wrath. Well, first of all, you think he had the races. And so he clearly, like, doesnt have that. And this is not thats not a good sign for him. Hes distracting from his monument failure, which is he has his first crisis, which is the coronavirus, and he fails it spectacularly. Because of that tens of thousands of americans have died because he delayed. And we had our economy crash. And if you look at europe, if you look at other developed countries, they have dealt with this. But because of his spectacularly bad leadership, we are suffering. And all he can do is go to his old act, which is recycling 2016. And its a tired act. Americans really arent buying it. You know, and it seems obvious just from a sort of Political ScienceSteve Kornacki at the board point of view that numerically there just arent enough people to have in qanon to elect him. Ive wondered about other republicans who go along with it. Joni ernst is not in a solid position for her reelect. Her opponent has raised a lot of money. She may be in trouble in november, and yet this is how she talks about donald trump, specifically on the issue of coronavirus. Take a listen. So, if president obama showed failed leadership then, do you think President Trump is showing failed leadership now . Well, i think we all have responsibility in stopping the spread. We have seen, i think, one additional death in the last 24 hours here in iowa. So given the fact that one person died there, thats only half the number that died during ebola, which you said was failed leadership. Is the president right now exhibiting failed leadership . No. I think that the president is stepping forward. You served with these people. Do these senators, in your view, have be interacted with these guys, maybe not specifically joni ernst. But why do they do that, do you think . There is i mean, part of that interview also was she took a little bit of issue with him on our heritage and racism. But just a little. And its funny to see these republican senators who have been with him all throughout, including, you know, attempting to extort the president of ukraine, and then on the coronavirus. And on and on. And defending him on the economy. And now theyre sensing hes going down, and theyre trying to make themselves whole. Which is ridiculous, its sad. And they bought the package. They should be looking at this in North Carolina and in arizona and wherever we have senate seats up. These guys bought into it. So, people come into politics from all sorts of backgrounds. There is no reason that somebody who comes from a background as an entertainer cant be a really, really good politician. I would agree a lot of people think Ronald Reagan was a good politician. You were a very good senator. You were very good at what you did. So theres nothing to say that Donald Trumps background means he cant be good at this, right . But he hasnt tried to be good at this. What were your expectations going into, when donald trump won, what did you think was going to happen, and how much has that departed from what he has turned out to be . He campaigned he was entertaining when he campaigned. The cable news stations always turned to his rallies and covered him. The other republican candidates had absolutely no oxygen, and they were boring too. And then during the campaign, people watched him and said, well, hes obviously not a normal politician, and i decided i dont like normal politicians and ill give this. But now three and a half years later what the American People have seen is a guy who has nothing other than that. He doesnt read his president ial daily brief. And the result of that has been disastrous. The biden said last week he was going to read his president ial brief. Today he said he was going to read it daily. This guy clearly had no intention of learning the job of being a leader. Hes just a divider. Hes dug himself a hole and hes behind now. And Vice President biden has let him dig that hole. But at a certain point, Vice President biden is going to come out and say what hes for. And the good news is that the American People are for it. They want to build on obamacare. They dont want to get rid of obamacare. They want an economy that works for all americans. The American People want a president who has some empathy. They want a government that works, thats run by professionals and not corrupt cronies. And joe biden isnt fdr, but hes joe biden. And thats a good thing. Joe biden is a person with tremendous empathy. And hes going to be, i hope, inheriting a country that unfortunately is badly wounded right now. And we need someone who can heal and not someone who can only, only, only divide. Thats this guys one move. And joe biden has to win and win big for a number of reasons. One, if trump wins, its a disaster for a democracy and its disastrous for our country. Two, theyre going to do everything they can to cheat. My last podcast was on trying to get, you know, vote by mail. Theres no reason not to vote by mail. We have five states that vote 100 by mail. Theres no fraud in those states. I had two teenagers and i had mark elias, the lead democratic lawyer on to talk about those kids want to be able to vote by mail because theyre afraid of going to the polls for the coronavirus. But theyre going to do everything they can to suppress votes. And finally if its a close election, he may not leave. So, i think the good news is, you know, you saw trump the other day, hannity asked him what his goals were for a second term. He had nothing, absolutely nothing. And joe biden can answer that question what he wants to do. He wants a competent government that can build infrastructure. Americans want roads and bridges and airports and trains that just reasonable the rest of the developed world. Yeah. Let me ask you to give joe biden some advice. Lets just say joe biden does win. Im old enough to remember that your seat was the 60th seat that wound up in court. And until that court case was actually resolved, president obama did not have the votes to be able to pass the Affordable Care act. And once that seat was resolved and there were actually 60 votes in the United States senate, there was this rush of activity that included passing the Affordable Care act, just historic activity all the way through the end in that lame duck session in that fall. But it took a long time to do it and it took having 60 votes. Joe biden sort of the way that he comes at politics is that its all about Coalition Building and compromise. And hes even said that should, you know, Mitch Mcconnell retain his seat that he could compromise with him. Having lived through what republicans put president obama through, do you think thats the right approach . Or should the approach be that democrats say, you know, you may have a hundred days to do whatever big things you want to do and to hell with what republicans want, were not going to water down the things we want and that democrats should just go in there and say were going to do this, this, this and this, and if republicans dont like it, too bad. What youre talking about is getting rid of the filibuster. Yeah. And the senate is broken. When i first got to the senate we had a lot of the senior senators there saying to me this is the worst its ever been. And its just gotten worse. And Mitch Mcconnell is a big reason for that. When obama, president obama was president , this guy pulled out the filibuster whenever he could. When we lost the sixth seat, he did that on everything. And you see that right now we cant nothing gets accomplished. Yeah. Unfortunately, thats what were going to have to do. Thats why i mentioned North Carolina and iowa and maine and colorado and montana and alabama and arizona. These are places we need to win because we need to get rid of this republican these people have been supporting this president and this president has been pernicious. Yeah. Before i let you go, i want to note that youre doing something really great. And youre teaming up with a local distillery. Youre raising money for black and brownopened businesses in minneapolis. Can you tell us a little bit about that . Yeah. Well, as you know, after George Floyds murder, there were demonstrations and there were some people who, for one reason or another, did some looting and did some damage to a number of black and brownowned businesses. Chris montana owns the first blackowned microdistillery in the United States du nord spirits. And he had insurance. His place sustained fire damage and water damage. He has insurance, but he put together a gofundme that im helping. Sarah silverman and i are having a raffle right now, a raffle to have an online Cocktail Party with us and also with chris montana, a virtual one. So that raffles open until you can go to alfranken. Com to help these black and brownowned businesses that were damaged during the civil disorder there. And we want to help them get back on their feet. Senator al franken, thank you so much. Its been really great talking with you. I hope you will come back. Thank you so much. Its great what youre doing in minneapolis. Thank you very much for your time tonight. Thank you. My pleasure. And coming up, Jonathan Lemire calls it the empty space once filled by the empathy and seriousness of president s leading in a crisis. Hes talking about trumps total abdication of his fundamental responsibilities. Plus, his weird fascination with statue. His base is in a advertisy. But his own political advisers think that as a campaign issue, its a big loser. Weve got so much more to get to. Stay with us. 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The associated presss Jonathan Lemire writes these are times of pain, mass depth, and fear and deprivation, and the trump show may be losing its allure. And for more i am joined now by robert costa, National Political reporter for the Washington Post. Robert, you were one of the bylines on a piece that talked about republicans fretting over donald trump taking the party to direct, you know, White Nationalism, you know, white power, retweeting white power tweeters or marchers and taking it all the way there and just fixating on confederate statues. They wont too it only though. Do these republicans think that any american takes seriously their concern about chuck tod s Donald Trumps racism this is a bad thing . You read that line about how so much of the concern about President Trumps political direction is expressed privately because these republicans in our sourcing world, the consultants, the strategists and even the lawmakers themselves, the candidates believe they still need President Trumps base, his support to survive this election season. For now as the economy continues to have problems, theyre becoming more on edge. But im not really sure based on my reporting if there will ever be a real break. Look for them on their ads to focus on their own records, to not necessarily raise the fact that they are a republican or that they are allied in any way with President Trump. That may work in some states, but its difficult as this election continues to unfold and President Trump puts himself front and center. You know, what records, one might ask. What is Mitch Mcconnells record other than standing back and refusing to do a single thing or lift a finger to stop russia because he probably thinks itll help him and theyve gotten some russiarelated money, at least in kentucky. Their record is that when trump does something racist or insane or cruel, they go, yes, sir. What is the record other than that . Well, and the record, too, joy, of denying face masks could help be part of the solution with the pandemic to now slowly you see some republicans saying, oh, yes, maybe we should wear face masks ff it is going to cut down the transmission of the coronavirus. Lets go back and cloak ourselves in the confederate flag. You look at my home state of mississippi. The state Legislature Just banned the confederate flag. Were getting rid of that as the state flag. So if its not politically popular anymore in mississippi, and that passed with twothirds of the vote in the house and state senate, which rarely hardly ever happens, then does donald trump really think thats going to win the hearts and minds of the average American Voter that overwhelmingly supports the black lives Matter Movement . Well, i have to ask you this really quickly, elise. As a woman of the south, as somebody whos from the south, who has the actual Cultural Heritage of southern heritage, what do you make of this guy from queens whose family arrived from germany and scotland in the 1890s who has no connection whatsoever to the south or to the confederacy, his obsession with the confederacy . What do you make of that as somebody who is from the south . Tell you what my father, if he still were alive, would say. He said that in the south, the south got all the brunt for being deservedly racist in many ways and the horrible legacy. But that there were plenty of northeasterners that at the end of the day could be perhaps even more racist. And it is just incredible to me that donald trump manages to outracist every step of the way people that, you know, have been assumed to be ive seen some pretty bad racism in my day, but what we are seeing from donald trump on a day in and day out basis as it defines his presidency, as it defines his electoral strategy, running for president of the United States, the guy tweeted white power and never disavowed it. It still is just absolutely mind blowing in 2020. Yeah. Its pretty open at this point. Robert, back to you on where donald trump gets his messaging, because it does appear that he just gets it right off of fox. I want to play you a montage. Axios is reporting trumps Mount Rushmore speech appears to copy tuckers monologue. For more than a month, mobs of violent crazy people have roamed this country terroristing citizens and destroying things. Denveangry mobs are trying tr down stat yuz. One of their political weapons is cancel culture. Small groups of citizens are coming together to defend their history and their culture. They will not allow our country and all of its values, history, and culture to be taken from them. The culture revolution has come to the west. This leftwing cultural revolution is designed to overthrow the american revolution. You know, robert, which comes first here, the chicken or the egg . Is donald trump copying what he sees on fox, or is fox coordinating somehow this message with the white house and are they releasing them in tandem . Joy, ive done a lot of reporting on President Trump and how he watches television in his residence in the dining room off of the oval office. For years he has always turned to lou dobbs on the Fox Business Network as a guide to his own populist nationalist message on immigration and other issues. But in recent months its clear based on my conversations with the president s associates that hes turning to dobs to be sure. But hes also turning repeatedly to tucker carlson. Mr. Carlson has skyhigh ratings and he sees carlson as one of these voices on the right who can help guide his own message, people within the white house follow carlson closely. And you see carlson even being talked about by some republican donors as a possible 2024 president ial contender. And very quickly, i need to go back to, do the people in the white house consider themselves to be alt right which we know means White Nationalism . Do they embrace that title of being alt right . I cant speak to that based on my reporting. What i follow, joy, as a reporter are actions. And what i see in the president s actions is someone going at the redskins name today talking about defending the confederate flag, talking about mr. Wallace at nascar, eight days ago retweeting that racist chant from the villages. Actions speak in politics. I cant speak to how people define themselves in their own minds, but i do follow the action. And elise, as a final question to you. Rand paul is one who blocked an antilynching bill. Were seeing actions to Roberts Point that actually block proing r progress on matters of race and policing. At this point should we just consider the Republican Party to be alt right, knowing what that means . As long as donald trump is the leader of the Republican Party, as long as hes calling the shots, as long as he is pushing and espousing a white supremacist platform on a daily basis, then why should other republicans be given the benefit of the doubt . If hes their leader, hes their figure head, hes their fundraiser when they arent speaking out. I would listen to other republicans to listen to the moment in history. 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In just the last hour, the state of texas, which has been an emerging covid hotspot, announced that they have now surpassed 200,000 cases. That is double the number of cases just 17 days ago. This comes amid new evidence suggesting that the virus is more transmissible than previously thought in. An open letter to the world health organization, experts are arguing that the coronavirus is airborne, meaning that it can spread through particles smaller than respiratory droplets. Lets talk about that airborne thing because this is something that a lot of people have feared for a long time that this thing is airborne. Explain, please, and what does that amoemean for the level of , say, at a beach party . Respiratory droplets are a little bit larger. Those are things that come out when were coughing, talking, singing, shouting. They kind of settle down to the ground pretty quickly within about a sixfoot radius of the person. The smaller aerosol particles are like micro droplets is another way to refer to them. They can actually stay aloft sort of floating and hovering in the air around a person who has coronavirus for hours. Three plus hours have been demonstrated in at least one study ive reviewed. So the concern is you could have some of those micro droplets or aerosolsized particles floating around in the air around, say, a patient who was in the hospital, in a hallway or someone who sneezes in the aisle of a supermarket even with a mask, and someone else could come by and breathe those in and potentially get infected. Okay. Thats terrifying. You know, most of us are now, you know, im here in the studio. There are only two other people in the room. Were all social distancing. Were not anywhere near each other. I came in, in a mask. I am going to put my mask on when i leave. Thats the things that were doing that we think are keeping us safe. What you just said makes me worry that these measures are not working. We just saw the mayor of atlanta whos been taking every precaution announce and shes talked about it on this show that she has coronavirus, that her husband does too. Is what were doing just not enough . It may not be. And i want to be clear. We dont know for sure. It seems likely that some of these micro droplets or aerosol particles are probably infectious. They have done studies where the viral rna has been detected. But i myself have seen in the hospital multiple cases that cant be explained by a respiratory droplet exposure where, like, an old married couple in their home that have been isolating for two and a half months both get it. They havent been out. So, theres definitely some unexplained cases that we see anecdotally that would be better explained by at least some kind of a limited airborne spread in terms of what to do, n95 masks. A lot of hospitals we have to wear the simple surgical masks like this. Maybe it needs to be the n95 for everyone in the hospital. That remains to be seen. Donald trump has decided that his new message is we just have to live with it. If president obama had said we just have to live with ebola and it may kill hundreds of thousands of people, republicans wouldve gone crazy. But weve now seen in addition to that theyve pulled back on letting dr. Fauci in talking to the country. We cant hear from one expert who people know the name of. If this administration were behaving in a rational way, with all the failures at the state level, the failures at the federal level. If they were going to be rational and try to save lives at this stange, what could they do given all this new information . They could certainly set a good example and direct the governors to do the same. Meaning President Trump should pretty much never appear without a mask. Vice president pence, the same thing. Our political leadership, reinforce it. People dont love wearing masks. I dont love wearing a mask. But i know it keeps me safe in the hospital and i do it for 10, 12 hours at a time. But leading by example and reinforcing the expert advice and opinions of people like dr. Fauci constantly, just like president obama did during ebola, during the h1n1 pandemic, we didnt see him tweeting strange things. He just said dr. Faucis got this, listen to that man and do what he says. I agree. Thats what we need. Frankly, in arizona and in a lot of other states, we dont know where this thing is. We dont know where the virus is. So we cant win this war if we dont know where the enemy is. We know that mike pence has postponed a trip to go there. Weve seen secret Service Agents becoming infected with it. It is honestly quite terrifying. I dont even know where to end there. But my last question, i guess to you, then, are people wrong to think that they are safer if they are at a beach on a beach, in a park, and they are outside . Are people any safer outdoors, in your view . They are. It is much better to be outside. I am not endorsing that, you know, like, for a while we saw in new york people were starting to congregate three or four weekends ago at outdoor outside of bars without masks way too close together. That behavior is not acceptable. But if you are outside hiking, outside at a beach, you are with your family unit only, not with other neighbors and friends, then that is something they could be safer outside. Golfing alone or with one golf partner, staying at a safe distance, thats okay. This is sobering, but as we like to say, scaring is caring. Dr. Matt heinz, thank you very much. Please stay safe. Really appreciate your wisdom tonight. Thank you. And still ahead, the latest polls show biden is favored to win in november. So how is donald trump responding to those polls . Oh, its not pretty. Thats next. Stay with us. Frustrated that clean clothes you want to wear always seem to need an iron . 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Its him safe drivers do save 40 . Click or call for a quote today. Welcome back. Over the past few weeks, trump has tripled down on his focus on confederate statues and his weird absession with antebellum heritage. But the daily beast reports some are not convinced that this tactic will move voters as much as the president seems to think it will. They see the pivot as trump simply continues to rile up conservative base that will not, by itself, deliver him a second term. Im joined now by the senior Political Writer for 538. I find this actually quite hilarious. The daily beast writes trump advisers wonder is the statue, bleep, going to work . Trump has insisted that he sees the issue as the winner and that his defense of heritage and our history needs to be front and center. He says this is what the American People want. I giggle because the idea that anybody sentient around him thinks hes just now figuring out that this is a bad idea. Your thoughts . You know, weve had a month of polling since the george floyd protest. And biden was ahead by about six points in our polling average before the average before the George Floyd Protests and now biden is ahead by about 10 points. So whatever trump did in june, he should stop doing. It has like really hurt him. And the party people are telling him you see people who are pretty loyal to trump at almost all times are saying, please stop doing this. Yeah, please stop doing this, sir. But im going to say it really quietly because if he hears me, hell get mad. Donald trump went after Bubba Wallace and the whole nascar thing. Theres the tweet. Im not going to read it. But the thing about that is hes going after, not the person that actually discovered the news, which was the nascar officials that discovered it. Yeah. They just went after the one black guy who had the noose in his garage. And it was a noose. Can we just show a picture of it . It was a pully fashioned to be a noose. Were going to show that in just a moment as you show donald trump being mad at Bubba Wallace. Everyone saw this noose and everyone reacted as everyone would naturally react and hes mad at Bubba Wallace. Your thoughts . As hes been defending the confederate statues, hes now attacking Bubba Wallace. And hes not saying that he was wrong. Hes demanding that Bubba Wallace apologize, that basically he take a knee and apologize to nascar fans who are largely, last time i checked, white, while bubba is the only fulltime black nascar driver. And, so, what is this all about . And whats the pattern here . Whats been his attitude to lebron james, to Colin Kaepernick . He again and again has targeted high profile black athletes. And why does he do this . Hes signaling to his white base, because thats the only base he has left, that for some reason hes on their side. Whats really important here and fascinating, joy, what hes trying to show is that when people make racist accusations its always a hoax. So hes picking up on this one and hes signaling to the white base that when you are called a racist, when im called a racist, its really a hoax. And its bubba who needs to apologize to you, white people, about all this. And bubba did nothing wrong, and he, you know, came out and said, the fbi investigated it and im persuaded that this was not a hate crime directed at me. It had been there prior to my use of that garage. Yeah. I apologize to the audience. We do not have the picture of the noose. But google it. Let me play for you trying to explain the tweet. In aggregates, what he was pointing out was this rush to judgment to immediately say that there is a hate crime. Those actions made it seem like nascar men and women were racist individuals. The president s intent was to say, no, most American People are good, hard working people. We should not have this rush to judgment, knee jerk reaction before the facts come out. It is important that we point out the fact that there was no hate crime. The fbi concluded that. President trump was merely saying that mr. Wallace should agree with that consensus. I cant cross my eyes in, so i cant make the face i would usually make. Part of what donald trump seems to be channelling is this idea that Political Correctness has made it so that if you, you know, make a racist joke or something that youre in trouble and he wants that not to be the case. He wants to open the space for more racism and for that to be politically acceptable, i guess. Thats his base. But as senator al franken pointed out earlier on the show, hes already got the racist people. He needs some of the other people to win an election. I actually think sorry to interrupt, joy. I think there are fewer people this appeals to. I think they win one way. They assume this is the way that i won before. It is a great strategy. I should repeat it. He won a weird fluky election in 2016 that he barely won. Hes not a political genius. That strategy wasnt that great. And were seeing all these polls is the American Voters and the people feel differently. Like black lives matter was controversial in 2014, controversial in 2016. Now most americans support the phrase, the idea. Like it looks like trump has changed americans and made them more racially taller than they were before. It is not just that he has a bad message. Hes running into an electorate that has changed and i think is different now and were going to be even less appealing than it was in 16. I think the race baiting is just not a great strategy for now and its in part because the voters have yeah. And, you know, david, im old enough to remember that it used to be that racism was used as a dog whistle, not as a bullhorn because if you were too obvious about it, that would hurt you. Donald trump has tried to flip that on its head. And of course he has been a racist for many years prior to the last month, right . The central park five, the racist birther conspiracy theory. Its part of his dna. Its what he did. But think about it this way, perry. What else does he have to talk about . He cant talk about the coronavirus pandemic. Yep. You know, americans are still dying every week. He cant talk about the economy because even if we had good numbers last week, were in the hole because of his inept response. He has nothing to talk about. Yep. And so its going with his gut instinct, his dna, which is be a racist, be divisive, demonize the media, the liberal and black people. Yep. And thats what hes got. Yep. Its fairly clear. Perry bacon jr. And david corn. Thank you guys. Always love talking to you guys. Well be right back. Right back. A lotta folks are asking me lately how to get their dishes as clean as possible. 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All in with chris hayes is up next. Tonight on all in, as coronavirus cases spike across the country, state and local officials go into crisis mode. But the white house just hopes we get used to it. What the failed federal response means for if next covid hot spots. Plus, a new Campaign Similar poll. The shocking coronavirus data on Racial Disparities that had to be pried out of the trump administrations hands when all in starts right now. Good evening from new york. Im chris hayes. The president and his