Campaign trail with candidates making their pitch in two crucial states New Hampshire and south carolina. Also happening in just a few hours, day two of gun control rallies as act viss demand action from congress and the president. Yesterday demonstrators rallied in cities across the country. Meanwhile, the 2020 democrats took on gun violence. What do we teach our children . We cant protect you. So were going to send you to school and teach you drills about how to hide and shelter in place. It truly feels like this time is different. We have to make sure it really turns out to be different, and that means ensuring theres a political penalty for anybody who blocks common sense gun reform demanded by a vast majority of the american people. Though i was talking about the president s racism repeatedly, though i was talking about this attack on hispanics and immigrants, i needed to sound the alarm much more loudly than i did. I will not make that mistake again. And Senators Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders spoke to young black voters in atlanta about the impact of gun violence on communities of color. If people are looking to their future, whether theyre black or white or whoever, with hope and optimism, if they have education, decent jobs, theyre not going to turn to drugs. Theyre going to turn to a better way of life and that is the root cause of addressing violence and guns that we see in the country. Gun violence is occurring everyday on our sidewalks, in parks, in streets and particularly in communities of color. And it doesnt get a headline. But it matters. And it should matter to every one of us. Meanwhile, oversight chairman Elijah Cummings joined a gun control rally in baltimore. We are fighting for the soul of our democracy, and the laws are not going to change until we get many people, many others, to join in with us to be a part of this revolution. And it must be a revolution. I do believe we have a country where the people are afraid of the government. We have to twist that around. The governments got to be afraid of the people. All right, joining me now jonathan allen, Nbc News National Political reporter and hanna trudeau, with the daily beast. Lets Start Talking 2020. Senator Elizabeth Warren rising in the polls. A ugov poll is one point behind john biden. Thats within the margin of error. What is warren doing right or what is biden not doing right . With warren, she has ha steady rise. The last few months there have been serious moments for her, the first two democratic debates were widely seen as huge successes for her or her call for impeachment which was very exciting for a lot of democrats. You have seen her money rise. And really more than any other candidate, she puts staff in the states. Youve seen her doing organizing with field organizers all over the early states. I think a lot of that is really coming together for her right now. Guys, we are just less than a month from the next democratic primary debates. These nine democrats have qualified so far. Hanna, whom else are you expecting to see on the stage in september and what are you sort of expecting to see there . Well, i think were just about to see Julian Castro potential make the cut, but i think among those ten that are really nine that are really competing, its youre seeing some strong contenders, of course the top tier people, joe biden, Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren, Kamala Harris, but youre also seeing some of the lower tier people squeaking by, like andrew yang. So i think it will be interesting to see who really brings the heat. Of course joe biden was knocked widely in the first debate, was able to recover a bit in the second one. And Kamala Harris came out swinging in miami and stumbled a little bit more, i think, in detroit. So that houston debate will be really critical to see who, like jonathan mentioned, Elizabeth Warren, is she going to have another performance where she knocks it out of the park. Jonathan clearly Elizabeth Warren picked up ground to some biden support has eroded. Anyone else a clear winner from that biden fade, and do you think he can bounce back . Im not sure anybody else is a clear winner from biden dropping, but i think all of the rest of the field is a winner from biden dropping back a little bit, that means as much as the frontrunner isnt way out in front of the rest of the pack, everybody else has an opportunity and, as hanna said, that next debate will be huge for a lot of folks. Lots of gun control talk. We saw the president abandon his line on background checks this week. Will that issue fade, do you think, once again as we have to wait out this congressional summer recess . Well, i think its clear that the congress is not coming back in session, so thats one thing. And more importantly, i think its interesting gun control is something that has truly united the Democratic Party in the middle of the president ial primary. So as were seeing policy differences among candidates on various issues, health care, education, et cetera, were seeing gun control really be a uniting force and we wrote about that in the daily beast a few weeks ago. Were seeing a lot of candidates have White Nationalist agendas as part of those gun control platforms as a direct affront to President Trump and to say that they are stronger contrast to him, in particular on his White Nationalist what they see as rhetoric that sort of fan the flames calling for stricter gun control measures. All right. I want to switch gears here far second, guys, because republican congressman steve king is defending his recent comments about rape. He suggested the human population might not exist had it not been for rape and incest throughout the video. What if it was okay and what if we went through back the family trees and just pulled those people out that were products of rape and insist, would there be any population on the left if we did that . So yesterday at a town hall in iowa a woman asked him about those comments. Here is how he defended himself. This is about compassion and its about not wanting to stigmatize these folks. There was a time when i was your age that if you grew up with a single mother you were not considered equal to the rest of the people in your classroom. That time has passed. Now people say, i was raised by a single mother and some see it as a virtue, at least a virtue of their mother. I dont want to see the people products of rape and insist think they are lesser than the rest of us. Jonathan, before those remarks yesterday you wrote the gop would like steve king to kindly shut up. I think i can imagine but i would like to hear you say it, what do you make of his defense . Well, after having several days to think about it, it certainly a little better than the original comments he made because obviously couldnt be any worse than the original comments he made. I think old bell politicians should probably just stop talking about their thoughts on rape if theyre going to be anything like what steve king said. It drew condemnation from just about everybody except for his own family members and who knows what they may have said in private. This is a problem for the Republican Party in that he was espousing an ideological view held by probably only steve king except for that it reflects the policy of the Republican Party thats in their platform with regard to abortion. So it makes it very easy for democratic opponents to look at that policy and say that policy is born of kings ideology, even though most other republicans, in fact, probably all other republicans would say it has absolutely nothing to do with what he was explaining. Steve king made a lot of other credential comments including this one he wrote in 2017, quote, we cant restore our civilization with somebody elses babies. He was asked about that yesterday. Here is his defense. I dont want to see our population shrinking because we dont care enough about ourselves to have our own babies and i dont want to see it europe or any place else. It wasnt about any baby born to an american in country and that should be easily discernible from the face of the statement itself. Your babies are our babies. Babies born to americans. Hanna, what do you make of all this . What does steve king symbolize to you . Whether about the Republican Party or our country as a whole . Steve king has said many, many racist things over the past several years and basically over the past duration of his career. I think, again, what it says to democrats looking to unseat him in 2020 in a House District in iowa is that they have another united front to go up against. I mean, this is not somebody who should be hard to defeat by the democrats standpoint. You know, they say look at all the comments he makes. You know, he is a walking attack ad for democrats. And so i think jd shultens challenge of him, he ran in 2018 and lost. Hes taking another stab at it right now. I think, if anything, unseating him for the Democratic Party would really be amore al boost if nothing else. We can go up against racist retic and we can win and win in a district iowa that maybe we werent competitive in before. Lets hit one last topic today and talk about a revealing article in the Washington Post about Stephen Miller. The post interviewed him and also 22 current and former administration officials. Here is one take away. An official tells the post, quote, trump has strong feelings about immigration but just superficial knowledge about how the immigration system works. The president relies heavily on miller to explain and to interpret it for him. Jonathan, what does that reporting say to you . It says that hes not only the trance later for donald trump but is the translator and see it throughout that article and all of us watching the policy in washington have seen it advanced over the course of the last couple years by Stephen Miller, both through legislative attempts by the Trump Administration and through executive action and through various policies at the agencies and through Stephen Millers ability to essentially fire everybody else in the administration who deals with immigration who wasnt getting done the president s policies in the manner that the president and Stephen Miller would have liked in the time frame they would have liked. Jonathan and hanna, thank you both for joining us early this morning. Appreciate it. Thanks, allison. Thank you. Now to a dramatic faceoff in portland, oregon, more than a dozen people were arrested yesterday after nearly 1200 demonstrators from the far right and the far left took to the streets. Portland Police Say Six people were treated for minor injuries. Nbc Steve Patterson is in portland for us with the latest. Reporter protests erupt in portland. Clashes between right wing agitators and left wing antifascists spilled out on to the streets. The conflict started when hundreds of right wing protesters assembled for a nonpermitted rally on the citys waterfront. Theyre targeting us because its a liberal city with progressive values and they know theyll get a rise out of us. Then they vilify us on the internet and make us look like were the terrorists. Reporter the event organized by joe brigs was billed as a show of force against the citys progressive antifa movement. Look at it, we came in and did a march peacefully, went in, planted our flag and came back out and theyre chasing us. Reporter squirmishes broke out when left wing groups responded. Theres no speech that cant be said in this country, so thats what im here for. Reporter you feel like their tramping on that free speech in. I feel like theyre trying to silence me. We would love to hear your side. Theres no two sides. Theres nazi and not nazi. More than a thousands Portland Police officers were activated to keep these protests peaceful, but there were multiple flair ups between the groups. Some even resulted in injuries. The president chiming in, considering naming antifa an organization of terror, saying hes watching portland closely. Another chapter in a history of violence disrupting life for everyday portlanders. That was nbc Steve Patterson. Police say those rallies lasted about nine hours. They seized several weapons, knives, bear spray and a stun gun. Now to breaking news out of afghanistan, a suicide bombing at a crowded wedding in kabul killed at least 63 people and wounded 182 others. That blast was the deadliest attack this year in the capital. The taliban denying involvement and condemning the attack. Joining me now on the phone, jake jacobs, msnbc analyst. First off, we havent heard of a lot of recent attacks of this magnitude, what is your sense of this one and is there anything to read into the timing . Yeah, well, were in the middle of talks there. Uhhuh. The government of afghanistan is trying to work out a deal with the taliban in order to and the United States is heavily involved because the administration already decided they want to withdraw everybody. So these talks have been takes place for a long, long time. And everyday it looks like theyre making progress, theyre pungt waited by an attack like this. There are warring factions there in afghanistan. Who would like to see those talks derailed because they dont want the taliban involved in the government. They include isis and isis offshoots who are antistet kal to what the government wants to achieve and what the United States wants to achieve. So as long as these talks continue, i think were going to see these attacks these attacks continue as well to derail the talks that are taking place, allison. You mentioned those talks. Nearing a deal at the taliban to start withdrawing troops from afghanistan. The Washington Post is reporting, quote, initial withdrawal under the proposed deal would include roughly 5,000 of the 14,000 u. S. Troops in afghanistan in exchange the taliban would agree to renounce al qaeda into barred from activities, fundraising, training, operational planning under areas of taliban control. What do you make of this possible deal especially in light of the attack we had this weekend . Well, its going to slow it all down. Yeah. You know, one of the things to look at is that there was an old saw about who actually controls afghanistan. That the president of afghanistan is really only the mayor of kabul. Its a lawless place outside of kabul. Tribes are dominant and the afghans government capabilities to control anything after any kind of agreement is next to zero. The people were going to leave behind mostly are going to be advisers, administrative and logistical types to assist the government in any kind of transition with the taliban, but thats not going to happen any time soon, alison. Some republican allies are cautioning kornl jack from a military and National Security perspective. How critical f at all, do you think the president of u. S. Troops are now, you know, after some 18, 19 years . Have they sort of outlived their usefulness there . You have it in one. Weve been there for almost two decades. The situation is not significantly improved from when we after we first went in there, after the first five years because of the lawless nature of the place. Theres an argument that says that were at the point of diminishing returns there and anything we do, anything we do there is not going to have very much impact on the longterm or even midterm future in the place. Its difficult to agree with an isolationist view of the region, which is what the government has, our government has. But theres very little doubt that were at the point of diminishing returns and people on both sides of the aisle are talking about the utility of withdrawing the large majority, if not all, american troops from afghanistan, alison. Thanks so much for joining us. You bet. The last days of Jeffrey Epstein new and fascinating information about how he reportedly used his money while he was behind bar. You have to hear these details. E six years ago. And this is me now i got Liberty Mutual. They customized my car insurance, so i only pay for what i need. Then i won the lottery, got hair plugs, and started working out. And so can you only pay for what you need. 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Multiple sources familiar with the case say the 66yearold inmate hanged himself with the bed sheet, but epsteins attorneys writing late friday it is indispute tbl authorities violated their own protocols. Were not satisfied with the conclusions of the medical examiner. Epstein was found unresponse nif a federal jail awaiting trial on sex trafficking and conspiracy charges. The federal prison system became the target of Harsh Criticism from lawmakers who question how a high profile inmate could take his own life when guards should have been checking every half an hour. Two sources familiar with the case telling nbc news that investigators are now comparing logbooks and Surveillance Video to see if there were any gaps and if guards fell asleep when they should have been watching epstein. Authorities also want to know why epstein was taken off suicide watch after he was found injured with marks on his neck last month. Meantime, the mystery deepening over epsteins inner circle. 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New this morning, consternation on capitol hill, Congressional Democrats now calling for an investigation into why and how israel banned a visit by two congresswomen. Two first muslim women elected to congress and President Trumps interventions being viewed as an attempt to divide democrats and put bipartisan support for israel at risk. Nbcs Mike Viqueira is traveling with the president and has this report. Hello. Congress wam ra she that tlaib spoke up as she spoke of her palestinian grandmother. I cannot tell you how much love i feel here. Reporter she wasnt in the middle east but home in detroit this weekend. I should be on a plane to see her. Reporter after being barred from making the trip, tlaib appealed to the Israeli Government siting her grandmothers age and suggesting there may not be many more chances to see her. The israelis allowed her in, but not without conditions. While there, tlaib a vocal critic of israels treatment of palestinians would have to be silent. Tlaib said that was too much. Tlaibs grandmother lives in the west bank says she hasnt seen her granddaughter in five or six years. Why didnt they allow her to come here . Tlaibs aunt says her niece made the right call. We were happy she decided not to come. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi calls the episode a sign of weakness on the part of President Trump and israeli Prime Minister benjamin netanyahu, other leading democrats including longtime supporters of israel want ant investigation of the role u. S. Ambassador to israel David Freedman may have played in denying entry to a sitting member of congress. Israel shouldnt have done it, but the United States should not have been involved in asking israel to do it or forcing israel to do it. Reporter and despite the controversy and talk of investigations democrats are down playing any Lasting Impact on u. S. israel relations. Speaker pelosi calls the relationship deep and long standing and its clear that Democratic Leaders want to deescalate the kind of internal divisions on israel policy that President Trump is trying to emphasize. Alison . Thanks, mike. Joining me now, opinion columnist and member of the Editorial Board at bloomburg. Opinions varied on both sides of this. What is your sense of how its playing there overseas versus whats happening here . Well, the fact is that what israel did was draw more attention to what was going to be a pretty high profile visit but then sort of magnified it hundred fold by first denying access to the two congresswomen and then turning around and allowing Rashida Tlaib to go after all on humanitarian grounds. This draws more attention to the issues that they care about, which is the issues regarding the palestinians. We saw immediately during all of this controversy google searches for bds, boycott the Boycott Campaign spike. So, it seems like a terrible own goal by the israelis. They sort of defeated the objective of trying to deny these congresswomen access. So let me ask you this, congresswoman omar tweeted a long list of meeting she was planning with this trip, security officials, meetings with people in occupied territories, why would israel object to that . Its astonishing but it seems to be that the pressure from the white house was what forced the israelis to change their mind. Piecing together the various strands that we have at this point, it would appear that israel agreed to the trip. It would appear that they gave guarantees to the Democratic Leadership that the trip would be allowed. The two congresswoman made their plans, as you say, made plans to meet people from both sides of that divide. And then there was pressure from the white house whether or not it involved the ambassador we dont know, but the president of the United States tweeted out his opposition to the trip and then israel changed its mind. Its quite astonishing that the president of the United States has that kind of leverage, but you have to understand it in the context of israeli politics, bb netanyahu has a very difficult election coming up. His relationship with trump is one of the few constants, the few anchors he has in his political life. He cannot afford to antagonize President Trump. And probably thats the reason why he decided to cave. Bobby, they also pointed out that israel doesnt allow members of congress to visit gaza. Why is that . Well, israels argument has been that there are security concerns, political concerns. Gaza is not the safest place in the world to be, but that is israels argument. In congresswomen or Congress People are willing to go and palestinians are willing to have them, then its a little hard to understand israels position on this. This ban has been criticized by some Jewish American groups. How do you think this could pass . Its not going to pass quietly. I dont think these two congresswomen will let it pass quietly. They will bring it up i suspect frequently. It has done damage. Whether its lasting damage or not we cant tell. Speaker pelosis statements suggest that the Democratic Leadership wants to deescalate, but when two of your congresswomen have been denied access to a country that is meant to be americas closest ally, recipient of enormous amounts of american aid and Political Support in the world, thats not something you can quite easily sweep under the carpet. This is not something thats going to go away. Thanks so much. Any time. Out of the mouth of babes. 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When my nephew was killed as a 12yearold student, somebody broke in his door at 5 00 in the morning and blew his brains out, i cannot tell you and i know that there are a lot of people here who can relate to this, but its nothing like seeing the brains, the brain matter, of a young, aspiring student with a 3. 9 average about to go to college and go on to law school, comes back, sent him there to get an education and he comes back in a coffin. Meanwhile the 2020 campaign trail, tissue of gun control remains a hot topic there as democrats are asked tough questions by some of the youngest political spectators. Garrett hague has more. Garrett . Reporter used to be any time a candidate called on a kid were looking for a softball, easy question. Children and their parents are challenging candidates to do something, anything, to stop gun violence. They have become heart breaking hallmarks of the campaign trail. Children in classrooms in town halls letting candidates know theyre scared. So what would you, as president , do to make schools and other places safer . Reporter the fear of gun violence in schools now so profound its not just parents asking candidates the tough questions. Its kids, like 8yearold scout, home schooled in New Hampshire, called on by cory booker. One of the reasons were home schooled is that my mom thinks that its not safe for children to be in Public Schools because the shootings. I want to know what you plan to do about those shootings . Scout, i want you to know of all the president ial candidates theres nobody with more of a fire in me to solve this problem. Scouts father, chris, encouraged his daughters question. Im trying to get them started on the right path so that they know they have to be involved. Reporter often the questions are emotional at beto orourke experienced in an iowa middle school. Im afraid one day ill go to school and ill never come out. Im sorry. Reporter sometimes its the candidates, most like andrew yang, parents themselves, who get overwhelmed. I have a 6 and 3yearold boy, i was imagining it was one of them that got shot and the other saw it. Reporter the candidates show much of themselves in their answers. Elizabeth warren, the concerned mom. As one of the grownups, im really sorry you have to ask that question. Reporter joe biden, who lost a daughter in a car crash and a son to cancer, the grieving father. I understand what its like to lose a kid. Ive lost two of them. The fact of the matter is, that your generation understands this better than everybody. Thats why its going to change. Its going to change. Reporter the next generation, too young to vote, too scared to stay silent, pushing president ial candidates to act. Well all get to hear a lot more from the candidates on this issue coming up the first week in october. 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Award winning design. Award winning engine. The volvo xc90. Our most awarded luxury suv. The economy has been a corner stone of President Trumps Reelection Campaign as he consistently highlights it in public. We have the number one economy on earth. The strongest economy in history. Weve got the hottest economy never had an economy like this. Were the hottest economy. But in private its a different story. The president is not as confident in the state of the economy after all. According to the Washington Post, mounting signs of Global Economic distress this week have alongtermed President Trump, whose worried that a downturn could imperil his reelection. Joining me now, ra shad richie and ned ryan, former speech writer for president george w. Bush. Rashad, i want you to take a listen to liberal comedian bill mahrs take on the economic situation. Ive been saying for about two years that i hope we have a recession. We can survive a recession. Weve had 47 of them. We had one every time theres a republican president. A recession would be very worth getting rid of donald trump and these kind of policies. You know, bill, recession would definitely knock him out of office. So, is that just bill mahr being bill mahre . Well, thats bill being a comedian. Bill mahre is not a prognosticator of economic anything. I look at his hyperbolic commentary as nothing but comedic. Lets go beyond that. People are upset at bill mahre and i find it ironic that theyre mad at bill mahre for talking about giving an opinion referencing the recession or upcoming recession but not mad at the guy whos bringing them the recession, president donald trump. Nine out of the ten recessions that have happened in this country since 1953 have all happened under a republican president. In 2004, donald trump said it best, he said the economy tends to do better under democratic president s than republican president s. You have the signs. These signs are significant. You have economic withdrawal in our marketplaces. Were talking about people buying coffee, clothes, cars, thats two thirds of your spending economy. You have a global slow down. So theres a context of an International Market taking place. Five of the largest economies on the planet earth are showing significant signs of Global Economic decline. So this is a problem. And, yeah, the president is right. This could be a political disaster for him going into the 2020 cycle. Ned, lets bring you in here. What if the economy does fall into recession, can the president get past it or is that just game over for him . First of all, let me address the whole mahre comment. The only way dcs win in 2020 is for there to be a recession for the economy to tank. And it is it does address some of the psych of the left even if theyre not willing to admit it, privately you know it hoping for a recession, its a shame. Tens of millions of americans would suffer economically. That all to say, listen, say, l recessions are more about perception than numbers, and rashad throws out the retail numbers. I throw out numbers from walmart last week that showed record growth, a bellwether for the dow. Fact of the matter is we have strong retail numbers, we have consumer confidence, the consumers are spending. If we have low interest rates, which we we continue to have, low inflation, low employment, i think americans keep spending and the feds keep the rates low through 2020, i see the economy being just fine. But i will say, to be honest, if the economy tanks, that is going to be very problematic for donald trump to win reelection in 2020. All right, so rashad, ned was talking about some of the strengths weve seen in our economy. Definitely are some strengths there. The president has owned this rise of the economy, even as some democrats have accused him of riding the coattails of president obamas economic recovery. So, would all of the blame actually fall on President Trump, should there be a recession here . Well, it has to, because President Trump has set the gold. Hes the guy who sold this, said this is my economy, this is my marketplace, this is because of my policies. He heres the truth of the matter, you have a selfinflicted wound in the economy through the president of the United States. You have this ongoing trade war with china. You have him being quite unstable as it relates to his comments on twitter, which actually does affect the marketplace. So, yes, he has oversold and underdelivered. And to neds point about the recession not being about numbers, the recession hurts real people. Thats why i totally disagree with bill mahers assessment and i dont wish a recession on anybody because that hurts poor people. Thats right. That hurts minorities, that hurts children, that hurts the elderly, so i dont want that to happen to anybody. But listen, the president of the United States is the one bringing it. So we can talk about all of these other external social contributors to our conversation, but the president of the United States is the guy whos setting the policy that will ultimately lead to possible economic disaster, and thats a problem. This is a policy issue. Gentlemen, there is no doubt whether or not a recession is coming that we are seeing signs and people are concerned about the possibility. So, with that said, President Trump was doubling down in spite of some of those economic worries. Listen what he told supporters at a rally in New Hampshire this week. See, the bottom line is, i know you like me and this room is a lovefest. I know that. But you have no choice but to vote for me because your 401 k s down the tubes, everythings going to be down the tubes. So, whether you love me or hate me, youve got to vote for me. All right, so ned, how does that message resonate with a number of Trump Supporters who might not even have a 401 k or who dont have savings to fall back on . Is that a message thats just lost on some people in his base . Well, then youve got to look at the jobs numbers, youve got to look at unemployment, youve got to look at other economic factors. The fact of the matter is, hes kind of right. I mean, unpopular president s who have strong economic numbers win. I would remind people, on the day he won in november of 2016, his Approval Rating in the gallup poll was about 36 and his disapproval was 62 and people still voted him into office. So, fact of the matter is, even if hes unpopular and the economic numbers are going well, hes also running on the historical trends, alison. Only five president s have lost reelection since 1900. If he has strong economic numbers, its very hard to beat an incumbent with a Strong Economy. And again, his supporters are not only looking at 401 k and other things, theyre looking, am i employed . Do i have a paycheck . Can i put food on my table . Can i pay for my mortgage . If all of those things actually add up in november of 2020, again, i dont see any democrat beating trump in 2020. All right, so lets talk about that for a moment. Heres a look at how trumps reelection could fare. A fox news poll shows him losing headtohead matchups against joe biden, Bernie Sanders, Kamala Harris and Elizabeth Warren. Rashad, this looks good for democrats, but do polls like this give a false sense of hope that so many candidates could beat trump in a general election . Polls will give a false sense of hope if you believe a poll is a prediction. A poll is not a prediction. It is simply a snapshot of the current thinking of individuals. Thats right. And in politics, peoples thinking changes and shifts like the wind, so take it for what it is. It is a good indicator for democrats right now. It is a bad indicator for the republican president. And to neds other point about president s being reelected if they have a Strong Economy this is the first president in the history of our nation who has a decent economy, a robust economy thats growing, but they do not contribute the economy to him based on the polling data. Thats a problem for the president , because usually if a president does have a Strong Economy, the United States of america, the citizens, they actually give him credit for it. Theyre not giving him credit for this economy yet. All right, guys, one last thing. President trump seemingly taking notice of the recent rise of one of the democratic opponents. Were talking about Elizabeth Warren. Take a listen. Elizabeth warren. [ audience reacts ] i did the pocahontas thing. I hit her really hard. And it looked like she was down and out. But that was too long ago. I should have waited. But dont worry, we will revive it. It can be revived. It can be right . I mean, ned, have people just had enough of that racial slur . Where do you stand on that one . Well, no, i want to go to a bigger picture. Ive been looking at these numbers. I do think Elizabeth Warren stands a very good chance of actually winning the nomination. I dont think joe biden gets across the finish line first. I dont think Bernie Sanders is going to get it. Tulsi gabbard backed a dump truck over Kamala Harris in the last debate. I dont think mayor pete has and all of a sudden, im looking the at the math going, Elizabeth Warren could do it. Ned, look all right, Elizabeth Warren may get her over the finish line, but what about those slurs . Your take . Are we done with them . Is it enough . Well, i think he should point out how inauthentic she is with her false claims on being a native american but are you tired of hearing him say that . No, absolutely im not. But i think he should make it an issue if she is going to be inauthentic, and i think thats a huge achilles heel for her. I think he should highlight it. Come on, ned. Thanks for joining us. We appreciate it. Thanks. An nbc news investigation uncovers a troubling finding about the widespread detainment of migrants in this country. Thats coming up. And ahead this morning on up with david gura, the creator of the New York Times 1619 project, an indepth look at the slaeyg legacy of slavery. Le. Brain freeze no, its my teeth. Your teeth hurt . Sensitivity. I should see my dentist. My teeth have been really sensitive lately. Well 80 of sensitivity starts at the gum line, so treat sensitivity at the source. New crest gum and sensitivity starts treating sensitivity immediately, at the gum line, for relief within days and wraps your teeth in sensitivity protection. Ohh your teeth . No, its brain freeze you only talk about your insurancet, when you complain about it. garbled . Its so painful. 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