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Supreme court. What it all means for the future of roe v wade. Developing this hour the attorney general facing new backlash after genociding with the president , casting doubts on the legitimacy of the russia investigation. William barr say its necessary to investigate the investigators because the special counsel did not cover the possibility that officials abused power. Ive been trying to get answers to questions and a lot of answers have been inadequate and i also found some of the explanations ive gotten dont hang together. In a sense i have more questions today than when i first started. If were worried about foreign influence. We should be worried if government officials abused their power. Democrats are charged that you are the president s attorney now. They dont know what they are talking about. Barr told the wall street journal his new inquiry into the origins of the russia probe could lead to rule changes. The president repeated a claim on twitter his campaign was conclusively spied upon. He wrote, treason means long jail sentences and this was treason. The a. G. Doubled down on the word spying. Are you comfortable using those words, witchhunt, hoax . I use what words i use. It was an investigation. But i think if i had been falsely accused i would be comfortable saying it was a witchhunt. This raises the stakes for the highlyanticipated testimony from the special counsel which may now not happen until next month. The wall street journal is reporting negotiations for Robert Muellers testimony have been stalled partially over whether the president s assertion over executive privilege would limit what mueller is allowed to say. House democrats are vowing to considering enforcement action after a. G. Barr missed wednesdays deadline for the unredacted report and mnuchkin missed a deadline to turn over the president s tax returns. We will likely proceed to court as quickly as next week. I have mfollowed the advice of counsel and plan to stick with that. Thats the best policy and best strategy. Its understandable you can have an idea but the implementation of the idea is equally important. [ inaudible ] i dont he see that as an option. Also developing today House Democrats say the president s new immigration plan is dead on arrival. It will scale back family based immigration for merritt based immigration. It doesnt address the future of the daca program which helps protect 700,000 immigrants brought to the u. S. As children. And this congressman has this message. What mr. Cukushner and his tm laid out is only two planks of the immigration system. There was nothing in there about daca or asylum fixes or about guest worker programs or Seasonal Worker programs. We need to be addressing the humanitarian crisis that were dealing with at the border right now. This plan doesnt do that. Also today in reaction to that. Lets go to our white house correspondent. What all is the president saying about this . Theres a lot of things happening on the immigration front and a lot has happened over the course of the last 24 hours. Administration official from the department of Homeland Security, the cpb, i. C. E. And others are getting together a program. They are literally putting detainee, immigrant detainees on planes from Detention Centers in texas, delry jobs texas and flying them to san diego, a grouch detainees arriving there yesterday evening. The plan is to fly at least three plane loads of 130 individuals from del rio, texas to san diego, at least three times a week. And the administration is letting it be known that they might expand this program further, might expand this program to other cities and they named them. Detroit, buffalo, new york and miami. And you Better Believe a lot of the politicians in all of those places in particular florida are really railing against this plan that was announced by dhs and theres some back tracking going on. In the meantime Border Patrol Officials Say they are being overwhelmed. Here are the numbers. Undocumented imgrant from march and april, 100,000 crossed the border during those months. Thats the highest total in 12 years since 2007. Meanwhile the president has plenty to say. He was with our friends yet again on fox news in an interview thats going airing later in the next couple of days. Heres what he had to say. Weve gotten very tough on the border. We have a catch and release. Where you catch and then you have toby law release. Or you have to take them to a court. Nobody has a court system. What country has a court system if somebody walks into their country. Does this new plan have details in it that would change that . Tremendous details. The asylum system is a disaster. Reporter it was last month or two months ago when President Trump said that he wanted to send some of these detainees to socalled sanctuary cities, a retribution or payback to democrats who wouldnt cooperate with him to reform immigration laws the way he sees fit in congress. Officials say there are no Political Considerations here in choosing these cities, detroit, beautiful, miami and already happening in san diego. But ron de santis a saunch trump ally, new governor of florida is fighting against this. Marco rubio. The mayor in broward county, broward and palm beach coin say lets put them in Trump Hotel Properties down in south florida and see how the president likes it. Its bounds to be controversial. Its starting to unfold right now. In particular that palm beach coin. Thats near maralago. Theres a lot about this you have to question. Well do that today. Thank you. So new this morning a warning to commercial airliners flying over the persian gulf coast. Airplanes face the risk of being misidentified as tensions escalate between u. S. And iran and Iraqi Government officials express fear of getting caught in the middle. Lets go to bill neely. Hes joining us from iraq. Bill, a good day for you. First up on the airliners. What are you hearing on this today . Reporter yeah. Good morning, alex. This is a fairly standard warning and it comes really from the faa distributed, of course, by u. S. Ploediplomats. Remember the per man is gulf is a airline hub and the faa is warning of heightened military activity and asking pilots to be very aware with their navigation equipment or breaks in communication and be aware of what might be causing that and the possibility of being misidentified. In other words, identified not as a commercial aircraft but as a military aircraft. But theres been no restrictions, no cancelations, no rerouting at the moment but its a sign of the tension in this area. Also in shipping, lloyds the main shipping business in europe warned of possible risks. Here in Northern Iraq and indeed in baghdad there are warnings about drones. So there are unidentified drones near the base and theres concern. Also at the u. S. Embassy in baghdad on thursday an unidentified drone led to the embassy being in lockdown for an hour, although in the end that posed no threat. So plenty ever signs of worry and of tension, but also, alex, signs ever tension easing. It just end President Trump saying that he doesnt want war, for example, u. S. Officials briefed congressional aides and lawmakers friday and said that there were signs that iran was taking missiles off boats. Remember there were photographs allegedly of missiles being loaded on to boats which is one of the pieces of the jigsaw that brought this concern and this heightened tension. Apparently those missiles are off the boats. There are decreased communications between iran as revolutionary guard and militias here and iraq, two u. S. Navy destroyers went through the straits of hormuz uninterrupted, so plenty ever signs, also, alex that this crisis is not increasing but decreasing. Thank you for that comprehensive report. Well pick up on that right now. Joining me Senior Reporter with Business Insider and Jonathan Allen National Political report with nbc news. Good morning to both of you. As the president addressed yesterday reports of these drigss over iran policy between his National Security adviser john bolton and secretary of state mike pompeo. Lets dictate a listen to that. These people, they put out messages. [ laughter ] im angry with my people. Im not angry with them. Make it sound its a conflict. They say confidential source. Did you ever notice they never write the names of people any more. Everything is a source says. There is no source. The person doesnt exist. The person is not alive. Its bull [ bleep ] okay. [ bleep ] that was charming. So what do you make of the president s claims . The fact that the administrations internal conflicts have been widely reported. Right. This is something that has bothered the president for a long time. He sees himself as steering this white house and steering this ship. If he doesnt like reports of conflict and especially reports that people working for him disagree with him. Its important, i think, to note the reason why so many of these source want to go on background and dont want to have their names out there. The primary reason is that a lot of the time what happens, somebody will tell you something on the record and then even within an hour, within a few hours trump will blast out a statement or a tweet that contradicts what that person told you on the record. A lot of the time these people want to be on background because of pure selfpreservation, they dont want to be embarrassed advocating for some kind of change and then have the president come out and contradict them. Or lose their job. Weve seen that happen as well. Lets look at this. Timing wise it comes as the Washington Post is reporting that Steven Miller tried to have another shakeup at the department of Homeland Security but the acting secretary prevented that. What do you make of that, jonathan, the president pushing back on these reports of internal conflict . I think that somebody ought to walk around the white house and make sure that there arent so many sharp object, because everybody there seems to be grabbing knives and stabbing each other. Steven miller taking out cabinet secretaries, taking out deputy secretaries, taking out customs and border officials and i. C. E. Officials and, obviously, seen some conflict on the National Security Council Staff as well. This is something that normally happens in a much more subtle level in administrations. People jockey for power within the trump orbit. Obviously he rewards some of this behavior. The aide thats able to destroy the other one advances and sort of game of thrones like administration. Yeah. Okay. So palace intrigue there. Well have a lot more on that. I want to talk about the immigration proposal put forth by the president and you write, jonathan, that the president is trying to appeal to the middle. HiS Immigration plan is being criticized from both sides. Part of the problem for him is this is the seventh or eight or ninth iteration of an immigration plan. I think you have to look at it in a different way than just whats coming from congress. Republicans and democrats in congress are criticizing this. Nancy pelosi the speaker of house decade its dead on arrival. A lot of republicans in the house dont like it because they dont think conservatives will get behind it. But what the president is doing here is taking a slice, a very small slice of the immigration issue and pivoting to it. Hes been talking about ilLegal Immigration for so long, very harsh crackdown policies on that. Now hes looking at Legal Immigration and what hes saying he wants more high skilled immigration. Thats what polls best in the country. Not what the hard left wants. Not what the hard right wants. Hard right wants lower numbers of immigration in this country. Hard left wants a broader immigration policy. But theres nothing more popular with a moderate set. To your point here, lets take a listen to the president while hes announcing thiS Immigration proposal. This is on thursday. Here it is. If for some reason, possibly political we cant get the democrats to approve this merritt based highsecurity plan, then we will get it approved immediately after the election when we take back the house, keep the senate and, of course, hold the presidency. Okay. Meanwhile the Washington Post is reporting the president has been telling aides he wants his border wall to be painted a flat back so that it will absorb heat, make the heatal too hot for anyone to try to skalt. So is the president S Immigration proposal a political strategy ahead of 2020 . Yeah. Its not surprising because he has said that he wantS Immigration and the economy to be two of his campaigns bedrock issues going into this election because he sees them as having the best chance at keeping his base happy. And also like jonathan pointed out, you know, floating these kind of narrow proposals that dont really address the broader issue of ilLegal Immigration and, of course, the quote, humanitarian crisis going on at the border as democrats have painted it. Seems like hes kind of addressing this in the best way he can, you know, purely for political purposes. Lets take a listen to how a couple of House Democrats have reacted. There should be comprehensive Immigration Reform and not Immigration Reform that is based on exciting and inciting those people who have negative thoughts about others coming across our boards. I think some of that is very racist. Its not keeping with what this country is supposed to be all about. The word that they use, merit, a condescending word. Is family without merit. Are most people who come to this country without merit because they dont have an engineering degree . Immigration is not even a top issue for democratic voters. How do democrats address this big issue in relation to other big ones like health care. What they do is focus on health care. Its the president who has wanted to make immigration a big issue. He did it ever since he started talking about building a wall a few years ago. Its something he keeps coming back to. He believes its something that will carry him to victory. He thought it would carry him to victory in the midterms with the caravans coming to the border. That didnt work out so well with democrats winning the house. Its something he comes back to over and over again and hes been fumbling around for what will be the magic bullet for him on immigration. This is the latest version. Its all about 2020. Completely political. A very narrow slice of the issue. It ignores most of the other things. By the way, it does not at all prevent him or stop him from doing various other things hes doing on immigration and has been all the time. Hes just trying to focus the public on a piece of what hes doing or trying to do thats more popular. Okay, guys, thats a wrap for this discussion. Good to see you both as always. The story of a student whose father paid 400,000 to get him into georgetown. So why that student is suing the school next. Next. So, every day, we put our latest technology and unrivaled network to work. 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Meaning that the aclu, they will win on these issues and then they will go the 11th Circuit Court of appeals which will again confirm you can restrict access to abortions in states such as alabama because of roe v wade. So the transparency behind a bill like the one in alabama has been clearly advanced. Opponents said we want to challenge roe v wade thats why were taking an extreme challenge. Its going to be a flop. It wont make it to the Supreme Court. People who are backing this bill, they are not going to be looking at this bill any time soon. Can i ask if all this threatens roe v wade, especially if it finds its way to the desk of the Supreme Court . Because thats a law that was enacted in 1973. So, its a long time ago. The reality is the Supreme Court of the United States and its precedent. But the truth salex, when youre dealing with legal issues sometimes it does take a bill this radical or a concept thats just so extreme to be able to get the Supreme Court of the United States to be able to change its mind. However fundamentally in order for a bill like the one in alabama to get to the Supreme Court its got to go through a District Court judge, 11th Circuit Court of appeals before it makes it to the Supreme Court of the United States. The way to describe these bills, the fact that it is that extreme, does that harm its chances in the Supreme Court . Sure it does. Its a complete 180 from existing precedent theres something about it that the Supreme Court finds to not only be compelling to hear it. People have this misconception just because you want to go to the Supreme Court you get to go. That doesnt happen. The Supreme Court has to agree to take the case. If it doesnt agree to take the case it doesnt reverse itself. In order to reverse itself it has to have a case to decide. This type of bill or case or issue is one they want to take up. Thank you. A Georgetown University student is filing a lawsuit to stay in school after his father pleaded guilty in the College Admissions scandal. The student said he did not know his father used bribes to get him in that school and should be allowed to keep his credits. Miguel almaguer has the story. Reporter the georgetown junior had just filed a lawsuit against the university, trying to prevent the cool from kicking him out when ten hours later his Attorney Says the students admission was suddenly rescinded. His father pleaded guilty this month admitting he paid 400,000 in bribes to get his son into georgetown. Prosecutors say after the tennis coach was paid off, adam was admitted to the school even though he didnt play the sport competitively. His Attorney Says adam was unaware of the bribes and wants to at least leave with his credits intact. The University Says applicants to georgetown affirm that the information and statements contained in their applications are true, correct and complete. Prosecutors allege in the complaint some students entangled in the College Entrance exam were aware they were cheating. For each student it will depend on the schools approach to discipline and that students rights under the applicable honor code. Reporter with the rich and famous facing prison time and some making deals, tonight their children are paying the price for what prosecutors say they never earned. Miguel almaguer, nbc news, new york. Its being called a huge poll for joe biden in South Carolina. The story behind his dramatic lead. Thats coming up. But now to this mornings laugh lines and the late night take on President Trump calling the trade war a squabble. This squabble. We had a lot of squabbles. We have civil squabble. World squabble i, world squabble ii. 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Warning of possible tornadoes, large hail, damaging winds over the next few days in the central u. S. Still no word on just what caused a fighter jet to crash in a warehouse in southern california. The f16, we were seeing it before it went down. You see part of the planes tail there from this video. That was taken moments after the accident. No one was seriously injured fortunately including the pilot. Investigative report confirms an ohio state doctor sexually abused 177 male students for nearly 20 years. Richard strauss worked as a doctor. Most of the abuse what happened the pretense of providing students with medical treatment. Investigation commission by the University Also found personnel were aware of strausss actions but did nothing to stop him. New today theres outrage over just released Text Messages from an nypd commander in the eric gardner case. Now Text Messages show a Police Lieutenant saying gardners death was not a big deal. Reporter the 2014 video of new york police arresting eric gardner and wrestling him to the ground started a nationwide battle cry for police accountability. The officer put gardner in what was an illegal chokehold after suspecting him of selling loose cigarettes. Five years after gardners death a Police Disciplinary hearing has uncovered Text Messages sent after he went unconscious. A sergeant at the scene texting about the officer. Danny tried to grab him. They both went down. They called the bust asap. Hes most likely doa. He has no pulse. Okay keep me posted. Im still here. Not a big deal. We were effecting a lawful arrest. The lieutenant said the text was meant to assure that officer. But protesters and his mother are outraged. No big deal. Now if one of your loved ones or his loved ones was on the ground dead and someone came up to you and said its no big deal, how would you feel about it . Reporter a grand jury declined to indict the officer. Lets go to the race for 2020. Former vp joe biden has a kickoff rally today. His primary opponents are fanning out across the country. Biden is expected to go after trump for dividing the country and to make his pitch as unifier in chief. Joining me is former Senior Adviser to Hillary Clintons campaign in South Carolina and ceo of american majoritier and former writer for president george w. Bush. Guys good to see you. Good early saturday morning. Look overall its early but bidens lead among democrats have been expanding. Is this rally all about solidifying perception out there were looking at a two person race . Absolutely not. Not only political mall practice but an act of political suicide for the Vice President and his team to adopt this line of thinking. What he know is polls are a snapshot of the time. Depending on who success asked, how its been asked and when its been asked generates the response you get. Im old enough to remember the fact that i worked for Hillary Clinton in 2008 here in South Carolina. She was up 20 points coming into South Carolina. And then the tide began to turn. Theres no education in the second kick of the mule. Only poll that really matters is the one thats on election and who shows up. He and his team should be laser focused to get people to the polls at the appropriate time but right now focus on connectivity and putting out a message that generates excitement to get people to the polls. What would we talk about if we didnt have the polls. Im just kidding. The president will hold a rally in pennsylvania on monday. According to a poll from Quinnipiac University hes got his work cutout for him there. This poll of pennsylvania voters has biden leading trump by 11 points in a matchup. 53 to 42. What does the president have to do to turn that around . First of all, if it was may of 2020 i might be a little bit concerned. Again its spring of 2019. The reason why trump is going up there and why biden is holding this rally, republicans cant win the white house without winning pennsylvania. Trump understands the greatest threat is joe biden in the rust belt. You look at pennsylvania, wisconsin, michigan, those three states were decided by less than 100,000 votes in 2016 and i would argue, i think one of the arguments i would make to the trump team i dont think the philadelphia machine was fired up. I dont think the detroit machine was fired up. I dont think the milwaukee machine was fully fired up. I dont think thats the case in 2020. Donald trump understands he has to get up there. He has a message. Its very hard to beat an incumbent president running on a very strong economic record which donald trump is going to run on. You all like to make this about the economy. I would remind you while the economy is doing some for other its not doing well for others. Those voters you talk about in those states, White Working Class and black working class workers in the rust belt has been failed by this president and the policies that come out of this white house. You all had an assault on health care and womens rights, particularly their right to choose and, therefore, you will be punished for your political sins at the polls if democrats do what we need to do over next several months. Go ahead and respond, ned. I agree with antawn. 2020 will be a referendum on two issues, health care and immigration. Republicans are putting forward strong plans on immigration front. Im concerned on the health care front. But, ned, consensus is trumpS Immigration plan that he just rolled out on thursday is doa. Well, i would look at Lindsey Graham. I think Lindsey Graham has a good plan, especially when we look at the asylum. We have to be series on asylum. We have a broken immigration system right now. Democrats are still refusing to accept the fact we have a crisis on the southern border. Hold on, antawn. 100,000 a month being apprehended and were only apprehending one out of two, one out of three. Even jeh johnson is saying its a crisis. What im saying to you i think its mall practice for you to sit here and mislead people on a saturday morning. What we know is 76 of the american people, over 60 want a comprehensive Immigration Reform package that will deal with all the things the democrats have been talking about for a very long time. What republicans want is a rightwing red meat plan that will simply generate a response from the base to help get donald trump reelected. No. I want a comprehensive plan. I want to deal with the daca situation. I want to deal with everify. I want to deal with chain migration. I want a grand deal. Its high time we come to the table, make concessions on both sides, fix the system and say were never going to do this again. I think youll be pleasantly surprised to see what were willing to give up to get this situation fix. What you want and what the republicans who want to get reelected and want to drive their base are apples and oranges. The bottom line is all you dont want that. You want to have donald trump show up at his rally, shout out all this red meat rhetoric he did in 2016. What we know that will generate a certain response from his base. Ned, to your point about what you believe some republicans would be willing to give up, does that extend to the president in theory or politically speaking . Does this president sign on to that, which you would be willing to negotiate or does he draw a hardline in the sand because its politically expedient for him. If you look on the concessions on the daca front. I thought he went too far. Hes willing to make some concessions on that front. Im willing to go and say its anywhere of 12 million to 20 million who have been long time residents. Im willing to make concessions on that front for us to say well end chain migration, fix everify, secure our southern border because this is unsustainable, alex. We cant be importing small cities every month into this country without at some point it catching up with us. Last word quickly. Ned, do you remember when there was two or three bipartisan proposals sent to the president by members of the congress both in the house and the senate that he asked for, that would do some of the things you asked for and he rejected it and sent them back. Because he did not deal with the border wall. Did it. No. No, not in a serious way, antoan. You know that as well as i do. That led to a 35 day Government Shutdown owned by the republicans that the voters will remember next november. All right, guys. Ill have to let that be the last word. I had to get a word in edge wise, so thank you. What you should buy before the tougher tariffs against china force retailers to raise prices. 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His latest article is about that incident in 1988, what the last war in iran tells us about the next one. Pretty chilly details you recount here. Are you having a kind of deja vu moment, you know, where we are right now . Yeah, theres a terrible sense of deja vu right now. With this warning about civilian aircraft certainly that brings it all home. That was a horrible incident, 290 people died, 66 of them children when the u. S. Shot it ought of the sky. I saw a lot of the people had been dragged out of the water. That was a horrible incident. But the whole sequence of events from 1988 led to a lot of confrontations which are confrontations were probably going to see now. Spoking all the tensions that have led to this u. S. Military buildup and heres how Senate Foreign Relations Committee member Jeff Berkeley summed it up. We designated the revolutionary garld as a terrorist organization. We cut off their oil by eliminating the way for japan, china, and india. Weve moved a Carrier Strike group into the persian gulf. This is dangerous moment. To take this intelligence theyre putting missiles onto a boat and convey it into iran is preparing to attack us is a big leap. Do you think u. S. Officials have made a big leap or stlz a legitimate threat posed by iran . I dont think iran is getting ready to attack the United States. I do think its getting ready to test the United States and test its resolve. I dont think that will come with a tax on u. S. Facilities or u. S. Personnel. I do think its going to come with a tax on saudi facilities, saudi oil, saudi tankers. Weve already seen hints of that. And then the question will be is the United States ready to go to war to defend saudi oil . Right, that would be the question. This is very interesting how u. S. Allies have not been supportive. Theres that british general, the number two officer on the u. S. Led Coalition Fighting isis who said flat out, christopher, there was no increased threat. Then you have a senior european official telling the Washington Post that secretary pompeo did not show any evidence to them. I mean, do the allies remain skeptical . I think they remain skeptical of trumps intentions and worry about iranian intentions. I think as weve said a number of times, this is a situation fraught with a possibility for disastrous accidents. And some of those accidents could lead to a much wider war. I dont think President Trump wants that. It isnt clear what people like john bolton, his National Security advisor wants. The president spoke about that. When asked there could be war, he said i hope not. But to be fair the administration could not richg an attack on u. S. Troop troops while officials had some sort of intel and did nothing, right . Well, thats right. I mean, they there is going to be this game of sort of cat and mouse particularly led by head of the force, irans force who runs their covert operations. Hes going to keep testing, and the americans are not going to respond with Massive Force unless there is some high casualty count. Thats my best guess. And i think he knows that so hell just keep prodding. But the americans are prodding, too. Its like poking a bear in a cage and not noticing the cage could come open. Thats the situation were in right now. Okay, christopher dickey, thanks for laying it out for us. Amc on the attack against big pharma. How could a drug cost almost 2,000 in america yet only 8 in australia . Thats ahead. 8 in australia . Thats ahead dont stoop to their level. Draw the line with the roundup sure shot wand. It extends with a protective shield and targets weeds more precisely. It lets you kill whats bad right down to the root while guarding the good. Roundup sure shot wand. Got weeds in your grass too . Try roundup for lawns. Kills weeds, not the lawn. Roundup brand. Trusted for over 40 years. music throughout the way you triumph over adversity. 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