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How do i describe the District Attorney . Heinously and exploitively ambitious. How do i describe the judge . Overtly arrogant in collaborating with the District Attorney. How do i describe the counsels for the accusers. Totally unethical lets bring in nbcs ron allen. Im curious, what was the mood after the mistrial was declared . Reporter well, you heard the cosby spokesperson and others who were not declaring victory so much as venting their frustration, their anger, i should say, about the fact this case was even brought. They have been saying all along that it should have been dismissed, that this happened long ago, that it was consensual and they accused the District Attorney, kevin steele, of being politically motivated. He did make going after bill cosby part of his recent Election Campaign and that is something the cosby thats what mrs. Cosby was referring to in that statement. Also here outside the courthouse, there were a number of other women who have accused bill cosby of various Sexual Misconduct ranging from groping to touching to rape, charges that of course cosby has denied. They were disappointed, upset, but resilient to say they are going to continue to fight for justice, they will continue to try and have other women who have been victims to speak out and to support them. There is also a statement i can read you from Andrea Constand, the accusers lawyer, that was just released. One important line in it says she thanks all the prosecutors and so forth, but she says also that she hopes that this has given a voice to the voiceless, that this was an opportunity to show people who are victims of sexual abuse that they can have a voice in a court of law. You heard the District Attorney saying hes going to continue this fight, hes going to take bill cosby to trial again and the judge has said that could happen in as soon as 120 days. What will be different next time . In this case it was Andrea Constand against bill cosby and one other accuser was allowed to testify. Many more would have been prejudicial to cosby, the judge ruled. This time, the prosecutors are going to press harder, im sure, to have more women who are alleged victims of bill cosby, accusers of him, speaking out in court in a trial where he can be found either guilty or innocent. Nbcs ron allen, appreciate it. Lets bring in legal analyst deborah turkhiemer and ted williams. Good to see you both. Gloria allred, attorney to some of the accusers in this extended bill cosby Sexual Assault allegations, had this reaction. We can never underestimate the blinding power of celebrity. But justice will come. I hope that the prosecution will try this case again and that the next time, the court will permit more prior bad act witnesses to testify as the prosecution had requested. Deborah, what do you think . Would the outcome have been different here if more accusers were allowed to step up and testify . I suspect it would have been. There would have been even more corroboration of Andrea Constands testimony. As it was, there was corroboration and yet it was clearly not enough for this jury to reach a unanimous verdict. Were several more of these 60 accusers to come into court, tell the story of what happened to them, i suspect it would have made a difference. I believe we have some additional statements from some of those accusers after the mistrial was declared today. I would like to play some of those for you and get your reaction. It is time for rape and violence to stop so the healing can start. He thought he could bury us. He didnt know we were seeds. We are sprouting up, we are looking for reform, uncovering the rape culture in this country where victims are blamed and shamed. Ted, same question to you. If more voices like those were heard on the stand at the trial, how would it have changed the outcome . Its debatable because i think to bring more of these victims in, that it would be substantially more prejudicial than probative. Lets be clear here. These are 60 women who i believe are victims. They are all over the country. Nobody can say that all of these people lived in one neighborhood where they got together on bill cosby. So its more reasonable that these individuals were victims of bill cosby. But when we look at the constand case, hes on trial for sexually molesting Andrea Constand. Not these other 60 victims. To bring them in, i dont know how much it really is going to help and it would be more prejudicial i believe than probative. Im curious to get your take, deborah, on whats going to take in terms of getting a retrial up and running. We heard from nbcs ron allen it could take up to 120 days. What comes into play here . Well, obviously both sides are going to want to look back very carefully over these transcripts, look at the testimony that each of the witnesses gave, maybe rethink some of the arguments made in Opening Statements and on closing statements. But you know, at the end of the day, i think the trial that we are going to see next will look much like this trial and the difficulty here, i believe, was that the prosecution has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt what cosbys state of mind was. We dont yet know what this juror thought or what this jury thought or how it got hung up, but it seems likely to me that those additional accusers coming into court might help the prosecution satisfy its burden of proving, for instance, that he, cosby, administered these drugs for the purpose of preventing resistance. Thats the kind of pattern of conduct that can be helpful to a jury grappling with these kind of charges. But hes admitted, hes already admitted vis a vis a transcript that he did, in fact, give women quaaludes in order to have sex with them. Thats in the record already. This jury had that. But what this jury also had was that constand waited one year, she then got paid. After she got paid she testified that she was in and out of consciousness at a certain time. They found or the defense presented phone records showing that she was on the telephone at the time she said she was in and out of consciousness. She also called him 53 times after this. She, meaning constand, did this. So then there was a concert in canada where cosby was performing. She was there with her mother and father. That is the evidence. That evidence will not change in a new trial. What about, ted, if bill cosby were to take the stand . You said in the depositions we already know bill cosby admitted to giving quaaludes to women. We heard that from him up on the stand, would we have had a different outcome . I think you absolutely would have had a different outcome. Hell, no. You want to keep if you are a lawyer, you want to keep bill cosby far away from the stand. The problem is the prosecution and the jury heard from bill cosby because they used his transcribed testimony. That was their way, meaning the prosecution, of getting bill cosby on the stand. But the problem with that is there was no chance to cross examine him. I believe that in and of itself would have been an appellate issue. We have to run but i want your take. Do you agree with ted there, that had bill cosby taken the stand we would have seen a different outcome today . Well, of course, its difficult to know. I suspect that cosby would not have made a particularly good witness. The crossexamination that the prosecution could do would likely have helped the case substantially. We really dont know. The prosecution has to educate the jury and next time around will certainly aim to do this, about why an accuser might delay in reporting, why there might be inconsistencies in an account that have nothing to do with what actually happened in the case. I think this trial represents a Public Education in some of those issues and thats for the good, but on the next goround, you can be sure the prosecution is going to do everything in its power to explain to the jury that these efforts to undermine her credibility really should come to naught. All right. Thank you both so much for joining us. Now to breaking news off the coast of japan. A search is under way for seven missing u. S. Sailors. They were lost after the u. S. Missile destroyer they were on collided with a container ship friday night. The collision caused significant flooding and damage near and on the bridge of the uss fitzgerald. Three more u. S. Sailors were injured. We have been monitoring the situation from japan and have more details. What more do we know about these missing sailors . Reporter well, the uss fitzgerald has been towed back to the u. S. Navy port which is tucked in a cove behind the harbor here, 16 hours after the incident had happened, suffering significant damage as you see from the pictures on the forward starboard side. The ship has limited propulsion and it suffered some flooding in two berthing spaces, a machinery space as well as the radio room. The main concern right now, though, is the whereabouts and wellbeing of seven sailors who are still unaccounted for. It just isnt clear what had happened. Its not known whether they are trapped in those damaged spaces or whether they fell overboard there. Are several u. S. And japanese boats and aircraft that are searching the area in order to find them. The captain of the ship was evacuated to the u. S. Navy hospital here. There were two other crew members that suffered cuts and bruises. U. S. President trump of course issued that message on twitter hours after people were criticizing him for saying nothing about the incident, he sent his best wishes to the uss fitzgerald families and thanks to the government of japan for help. But the president still coming ur under criticism for the number of key diplomatic positions in the region that are still unfilled, including the ambassador of japan. So the focus right now very much on trying to find these seven sailors and we are expecting an update here later in the day. Terrifying pictures. We of course hope for the safe return of those sailors. Thank you. Much more ahead on that breaking news we have been following, a mistrial in bill cosbys assault case. Next, we turn to politics and President Trumps growing legal team. The new high profile attorney the president s hired and what that means for the investigation he and his associates are under. 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President trump continues to tweet about the russia investigation, saying i am being investigated for firing the fbi director by the man who told me to fire the fbi director. Witch hunt. Joining us with the latest from the white house is nbcs kelly odonnell. A lot of conflicting reports on what the president s next moves going to be when it comes to the russia investigation. What are you hearing today . Reporter sources say he has not been informed officially by the office of the special counsel that he is under investigation so the tweet you referred to there, they say he was simply sort of echoing the published reports, news accounts, that say the probe will be staring at President Trump and his own actions with respect to the firing of james comey and other things that may be tied to this investigation that has gone on now for quite some time as it takes some new turns. In terms of the irritation or the frustration from the president , it seems evident in some of the ways that he speaks to the public using his social media which he says that despite advice not to do so, its his way of communicating directly to 100 million followers. The president not always taking the advice of lawyers but as you point out, he has expanded his legal team and in naming john dowd, who is a veteran of washington, d. C. Legal scandals and these kinds of issues where he has done cases that deal with areas of ethics and has been in some high profile situations related to the iran contrainvestigation during the reagan administration, the keating 5 which had to do with the savings and loan crisis in the 80s. But for sports fans he may be better known for being the person who led the Major League Baseball investigation into gambling over pete rose, the superstar from the Cincinnati Reds who was ultimately banned from the sport. So President Trump has brought on someone who has the kind of criminal defense attorney background adding to his team. We dont have any expectations that theres something imminent with the president. Obviously the work of the special counsel goes on quietly, methodically, and this weekend, fathers day, happy fathers day to you, the president is spending this time with his family at camp david and thats the first time they have visited the retreat in maryland since the president took office. My little man cant talk yet. I appreciate you saying that. Eventually he will be able to say it to me. Interesting to hear that tweets may be official statements according to the white house but they still need interpretation from president ial aides. Kelly odonnell, thanks a lot. Joining us now are politico reporter Daniel Lipman along with opinion writer for the Washington Post Jennifer Ruben and former senior cia officer and writer, john cipher. Why would the president bring on additional counsel, john dowd, regarding russia . So with the initial hire of marc kasowitz, he doesnt have any washington investigative experience. He really is a real estate lawyer and trump was getting flack from his allies saying you need someone with d. C. Experience to handle mueller and his 13 attorneys and the whole fbi which is looking at you. So thats kind of his he needs more people in his corner. Jennifer, the president s tweets, kelly and i were just talking about this, they are official president ial statements but you still need the white house to interpret them for you. Are they going to come back to haunt the president . I think they are. I think this is the problem with President Trump which is hes his own worst enemy. The tweets are going to be evidence if they pursue an obstruction of justice decision. I think his statements show that hes really at this point losing control of himself and i think thats why his family and his existing legal team has been pleading with him to stop, to no avail. John, we were talking about this last hour. At this point, what are the odds the president would attempt to fire Deputy Attorney general Rod Rosenstein or bob mueller . I dont know about the odds of it but it would be a tremendous problem. In fact, when he fired the fbi director, i remember talking to the person i was with, this could be the beginning of the end because now hes starting to do things to attack institutions. I certainly understand the president wants to protect himself but by doing it, by attacking the very institutions that support our constitution, it erodes the trust if the public believes these institutions are partisan institutions rather than supporting the constitution, supporting the president and the white house. As we have been talking about, obstruction of justice is quite a technical term and the actual act of bringing charges for it is something thats been debated over the course of the last week and longer. Heres what Newt Gingrich last night said on the case for obstruction of justice against the president. Take a look. Technically, president of the United States cannot obstruct justice. President of the United States is the chief executive officer of the United States. He wants to fire the fbi director, all hes got to do is fire him. All right. Jennifer, whats your take there on the former speakers take . Its just nonsense. Actually he tried to impeach, he did impeach president clinton although he was not removed from office for obstruction of justice. So unfortunately, he is one of these people who has thrown his credibility down the drain. Of course, a president can commit crimes. Theres a good question whether he can actually be indicted while in office but certainly those can be grounds either once he leaves office for prosecution or certainly to be considered by the house and ultimately the senate for impeachment and removal. Daniel, just because you cant be indicted or traditionally, the president has never been, that doesnt mean you cant obstruct justice, right . Yeah. Newt is basically saying the president is the king and above any law and that just is not a sign of reality here. President trump does seem to be taking steps that would obstruct justice. He admitted himself that he fired comey in part due to the russia probe. That doesnt sound like hes making justice turn very well. He doesnt seem like hes supporting justice in this case. John, now with Deputy Attorney general rosenstein seeming to be closer to the center of the sun as they say, think hes going to eventually recuse himself . I suspect he will. Again, he is a Public Servant but the president putting pressure on him as a professional, he probably thinks it would be sensible to support the investigation by moving back. I agree with both jennifer and daniel on this issue. I think what the president is doing here is really irresponsible and fighting institutions is a mistake. I appreciate all of you being here on this saturday. Good to see you all. Thanks, everybody, for joining us. We continue to follow breaking developments from the mistrial in bill cosbys assault case. More on the fallout still ahead. Next, we head to georgia three days before voters head to the polls in whats now become the most expensive house race in american history. Exciting stuff. The candidates strategy on the final weekend before election day is coming up. Dynamic performance, so you can own the road. Tracktuned handling, so you can conquer corners. Aggressivestyling, so you can break away from everyone else. 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The amount spent is nearly 40 million. Thats wild. Nbcs beth fouhy joins me. What do we expect over the next couple days . What we expect is a lot of volunteer activity getting voters to the polls. Early voting ended yesterday, friday, so now theres three days left to mobilize people to get to the polls on tuesday when that special election will take place. You will see over my shoulder theres a lot of activity. Im in a jon ossoff volunteer office right now. Whole bunch of volunteers have come in to get packets to learn how to walk around the neighborhood knocking on doors, making sure voters who said they want to support ossoff actually make it to the poll on tuesday. This has been a really big deal for democrats down here in this northern atlanta suburb which has gone republican for many, many decades now. Democrats say they are kind of finding each other, suddenly realizing there actually are some voters here who would support a candidate who is a democrat, who is not one of the conservatives who has been representing this district for quite some time. We spoke to one of them at an early voting location yesterday. Lets listen. I have lived in this district for 22 years. In this district. And i have felt isolated and i think a lot of democrats have felt discouraged. We go to the poll and we would see an incumbent republican and there wouldnt be a democrat running in the primary. I feel energized. I feel excited. I feel like i have found a community that i never knew was here. Im thrilled to be part of this. Reporter now, that is not necessarily the opinion of a lot of voters in this district. This is primarily a republican district. It only went very narrowly for trump in november but it has voted for Republican House member now for 40 years. We also spoke to republicans at that early voting location yesterday and we spoke to one gentleman who really feels like voting for ossoff under any circumstances would be a mistake, it would thwart President Trumps agenda. Lets listen. I feel like a vote for jon ossoff is a vote of ignorance. The only reason that you have seen an additional surge is because of dissatisfaction with trump in the white house. It bothers me to a great degree. I believe its media, a big part of it is media driven and driven by the unsatisfactory feelings of the democrats unwilling to accept a republican president. Reporter there you have it. A very divided district three days before that big election on tuesday. It looks like its pumping in there in the ossoff office. You can tell some of the democrats down there are going like that woman said from isolated and discouraged to energized. Going to be an interesting one this weekend. We will watch it closely. Thanks a lot. Coming up next, much more on the mistrial in bill cosbys assault case. Prosecutors are vowing to try this case again but how would a new trial lead to a verdict . And while this hung jury might be good news for bill cosby, where does the comedian go from here and what does the future hold for him . Im karen, im a teacher. Olfer. My Psoriatic Arthritis caused joint pain. Just like my moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis. And i was worried about joint damage. My doctor said joint pain from ra can be a sign of existing joint damage that could only get worse. He prescribed enbrel to help relieve pain and help stop further damage. Enbrel may lower your ability to fight infections. Serious, sometimes fatal, events including infections, tuberculosis, lymphoma, other cancers, nervous system and blood disorders, and allergic reactions have occurred. 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The District Attorney there says they are moving ahead with a retrial. Cosby was charged with three felony counts of aggravated indecent assault. Hes repeatedly denied these and all allegations of Sexual Misconduct. This is what happens, juries are stuck when a prosecutor seeks to put someone in prison for things that are simply not presented in the courtroom. And the jury stuck to what they were asked to do and that is to review the evidence before them and there simply wasnt enough. Joining me is former baltimore prosecutor, debbie heinz. Good to see you. You just heard one of bill cosbys lawyers say there wasnt enough evidence in this case. What are your thoughts on that . There was enough evidence in this case but there was also a lot of inconsistencies in the case and that goes to reasonable doubt in the case. But what i think the prosecutor really wanted to do that didnt happen is he wanted to have the other he wanted to have 13 other victims testify as part of a pattern and practice as its called in Andrea Constands case. Once that didnt happen, the judge denied that request, only allowed them to put on one other alleged victim, once that happened you were really left with Andrea Constands case and all the many inconsistencies in her testimony from before and what she told the police officer. It was just an uphill battle. We heard from Camille Cosby, bill cosbys wife, by way of a Statement Read after this mistrial was declared. take a look at this. How do i describe the District Attorney . Heinously and exploitively ambitious. How do i describe the judge . Overtly arrogant in collaborating with the District Attorney. How do i describe the counsels for the accusers. Totally unethical so effectively taking on the criminal Justice System there. Is this a deliberate strategy to affect in some way a retrial . This is an ignorant strategy, in my opinion. I think Camille Cosby just needed to sit down, be quiet and just be the dutiful wife in this instance. The case is going to be retried and shes in a statement attacking not only the prosecutor but attacking the judge saying they were in cahoots with each other. It is the judge that made the rulings that ultimately probably helped lead to the mistrial in her husbands case. So i think that the cosby team should not have read that statement at all. So where does it come from, in your opinion as a former prosecutor . Is that something just done in haste out of emotion, or is that an attempt to influence the court of Public Opinion . I dont know if it was an intent to influence the court of Public Opinion. I think it was clearly something that wasnt really thought carefully through and just as much as the prosecutor immediately said that he would retry the case, which i think that was also done in haste, without knowing where the problem was with the case, this statement by Camille Cosby was the same type of error. There was no reason for her to make the statement. This is where you say thank you, we are just appreciative of the jurors of efforts, we thank you so much for that. You go home to live another day and not be leaving out of the courtroom with handcuffs behind you. Fascinating to get your take on the mistrial in the bill cosby case. Thank you for joining us. Now lets bring in Professor Robert thompson, director of Syracuse University center for television and popular culture. Good to see you, sir. Bill cosby one of the most famous men in the United States, if not around the world. What impact does this case have on his reputation . Well, i think whatever the verdict was, there is no question that the first thing bill cosby is now going to be remembered for is this string of accusations that were given against him. We have to remember that the cosby show, his big five year in a row number one hit, ended 25 years ago which is means that most of my students dont know that show at all. What they know about cosby is, of course, this story. We should remember, i dont think we want to erase the history of what cosby did and he did some really important things. I dont like playing the Jackie Robinson of this or Jackie Robinson of that game, but you could really say cosby was the Jackie Robinson of television. I spy in the mid 1960s has him as a leading man princeton educated, his character was, a costar in a drama, not singing or dancing or doing comedy, but a drama. Then of course he did the bill cosby show in the 70s, fat albert and the cosby show. This guy did some important, very significant work but im afraid that on top of that, theres going to be this cloud for a long, long time that he will be most known for. What i hear you saying is a generation of Young Americans will know bill cosby because of Sexual Assault allegations. Given that, do you think the man, tenhe entertainer, can or will bounce back publicly . I think it will be tough. We should remember he was toward the end of his career anyway. He had done some comedies that didnt do so well but he was still performing. He had been developing a Network Television show. I certainly dont think thats going to happen. I cant imagine him getting any big projects at this point. He may choose to go out and perform as he was doing before but he will probably also be, for a long time, plagued with protesters, people that show up at these things and complain about him and all of that. I think its going to be very difficult for him to have a public life. However this verdict ended up going or however the verdict for the next one goes. Professor robert thompson, thanks so much for joining us. Appreciate it. Thank you. When we come back, we will get the latest on House Majority whip Steve Scalises condition as he continues to recover from his injuries suffered in wednesdays shooting at a baseball practice. Richard lui will be with you next hour with much more on the reaction to the mistrial in bill cosbys assault case. Think again. This is the new new york. We are building new airports all across the state. New roads and bridges. New mass transit. New business friendly environment. New lower taxes. And new University Partnerships to grow the businesses of tomorrow today. Learn more at esd. Ny. Gov you. Smells fine, but yourin your passengers smell this bell dinging new febreze car with Odorclear Technology cleans away odors. For up to 30 days smells nice. Breathe happy, with new febreze. Before fibromyalgia, i was a doer. I was active. 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If you get a copy of it, will you send me a copy . The man who will carry it out needs a copy too. You havent seen it either . As i say my staff has provided some Technical Assistance to individuals, but i havent seen Chuck Schumer writing Mitch Mcconnell the gop has no plans to hold. Senate republicans are rewriting a house bill that barely passed last month. This is a great plan. But this week the president told senators the house bill is, quote, mean. And moderate senators have balked. I cannot support a bill that terminates insurance for 23 Million People wh need it. Theyre trying to change it to get a majority of 50 votes, discussing keeping more of the Medicaid Expansion and protections for people with preexisting conditions. It matters for people like sara. A Breast Cancer survivor. Under the premiums her insurance could skyrocket. There are lives on the line and people wont get better and need insurance to survive. With each passing week more insurers pull out of insurance exchanges for 2018 not knowing what congress will do. Millions of americans are waiting for answers too. Casey hunt, nbc news, the capitol. Im joined now by former Clinton Campaign advisor and executive editor of share blue, Jess Mcintosh and noelle, republicans have been getting a lot of pushback, thats no secret at town halls. Do you think keeping it a secret as a strategy is basically hiding this from how unpopular it is . Well, absolutely. Ive got to tell you, as a republican im also a common sense person. And i do not think that the way to get this not only done and get it popular with your side of the street and the other side of the street is to do it in secrecy. Not only are they doing this behind closed doors, they have no input with the democrats. They have no input with minorities. They have no input with women. These are key components to making a palatable Health Care Bill. Now, the emergency is real. Its real because weve got surging premiums that are coming up. And weve got Insurance Companies that are dropping out. So the emergency is real. But pushing it through without the input of everybody is in my opinion is the wrong way to go. Yeah. Jess, we saw kind of what a mess this was first time around when the house tried to bring this bill to the floor over issues in particular like preexisting conditions. Is there a real concern by democrats at the house or the senate anywhere in Congress Just going to try to steam roll this bill through . And will it actually work . I mean, thats a real concern. I think weve seen that theyre absolutely going to try to do that, and that is the only way that this bill is going to get passed. The last time they gave it a real shot it couldnt go anywhere despite overwhelming majorities in both chambers of the Republican Controlled Congress and supportive president because america doesnt want to repeal obamacare. Only 17 of the country was in favor of the repeal bill that they put forward last time. Those numbers are even lower now. And its not just democrats. This is in red states, this is in small towns. Americans are rightfully scared of losing Life Saving Health care and access to the services that they need. Which is why were seeing this like incredible opposition showing up at town halls. Were seeing the phone calls starting in again. I think america knows that theyve got two weeks to stop this thing. And republicans are not going to give them a chance to look at the bill before they pass it on them. We heard this past week that the president reportedly said the house bill was mean. And before we get to my next question, i want to play something he said on tuesday. Watch this. I really appreciate what youre doing to come out with a bill thats going to be a phenomenal bill for the people of our country. Generous, kind, with heart. With heart, jess, how did democrats interpret that . I mean any time trump says to believe him that somethings got heart i think were immediately on our guard about it. This wouldnt be so frightening if republicans werent so obviously frightened by it. Mitch mcconnell is right now refusing to take meetings with the march of dimes, with the American Lung association. They wont talk to the nations leading patient advocate organizations, people who are always involved in health care negotiations. The republicans that are making this decision there are only 13 of them and there are no women involved. Hhs secretary tom price wont even sighay whether he thinks a woman ought to be involved in the drafting of the bill. Their own colleagues cant know whats in the bill because they know its politically untenable to support it. So i can imagine the kind of heart its got is not the kind of heart American People need. Noelle, you heard what jess said, no women are a part of this republican roundtable putting together this bill. I cant believe im asking this, dont you think a womans voice would be important here . Of course its important. Of course it is. And i am not agreeing with, you know, select senators on the Republican Party pushing through a bill in secrecy. I am totally against it. And youve even heard from people with the likes of rand paul and other senators saying that this is not the way to do it. So i dont think that overwhelmingly republicans are saying rahrah, this is awesome, we have no minority representation, we have no women, we have no anything thats good in getting this together. But if you look at this as a greater good, this really is not a republican or a democrat issue. This is health care. This is something that we should naturally want to come together and get it done. We should put Party Differences aside. Both of us interweave something that everybody gets something out. Nobody wants higher premiums. And right now people are looking at what the existing plan higher premiums coming down the pipe. And people cant afford it. So i really think we need to lay differences aside and come together and work as one. And im sorry im sorry that were doing this on behalf of the republican side. Im sorry were doing this in secrecy. Yeah, i think a lot of people have that same opinion. Thank you so much to both former Clinton Campaign advisor Jess Mcintosh and republican strategist noelle nikpour. Thats all for me this saturday. Be sure to follow me on twitter, snapchat, instagram, all that stuff. My colleague richard lui is up next with more. The classes, the friends, the independence. And since we planned for it, that student debt is the one experience, im glad shell miss when you have the right financial advisor, life can be brilliant. Ameriprise their leadership is instinctive. Theyre experts in things you havent heard of. Researchers of technologies that one day you will. 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