0 who steps up and says i'm sorry this is difficult for you. i'm going to look into this to see what we can do, but the overall program and the overall idea of what change is occurring is going to move forward. >> chuck, you got to speak with texas governor rick perry on your show earlier on and he was critical of what the president has done and said. you've got the red state governors as we have been seeing refusing to expand medicaid in their states. we've got a couple of things happening in the coming weeks. you've got more white house officials that will be moving forward and saying -- going to capitol hill and having to talk on this issue itself. the house plan to keep your health care plan votes, plan on doing that as well. are things going to get worse before they get better here? >> well, to me it all looks -- i would look to november 30th. there's all sorts of potential new feeding frenzies based off of this change. i think the biggest one is going to be the enrollment numbers among healthier americans under the age of 35 or 40. and that's something we're really not going to know until december, possibly really until january when we find out what those december numbers are, but it really is all about this november 30th deadline. the president himself talking about it. they have put so much into making that deadline. if they don't make that deadline, if this website is not smoothly run, they have got much bigger problems. >> we have to leave it there. thank you so much, chuck, as well as michael and kiki, you guys have a great weekend. and be sure to watch "the daily rundown" weekdays at 9:00 eastern right here on msnbc. today's question, presidential apology, did it help or hurt obama care's image. developing right now, the october jobs report beat estimates by some 80,000. last month saw 204,000 jobs created. the report says the 16-day government shutdown had no discernible impact on hiring, however, the unemployment rate rose to 7.3% from september's nearly five-year low of 7.2. wall street's reaction so far up 73 and change. we're looking at the dow, nasdaq up 39 and change. joining us live is jared bernstein, former chief economist for vice president joe biden and he's now an msnbc contributor. so the markets not taking that negatively. also, jared, there were revised figures that we saw from previous months, an additional 60,000 jobs. when you look at the report right now, what does it tell you? >> well, one thing it tells you is that the underlying american economy is a lot more resilient than people realize. i think we're not out of the woods by a long shot, whether we're talking about yesterday's upside surprise on the gdp report or today's upside tick on the jobs numbers. in other words, even with these better-than-expected results and the revisions, things are moving too slowly to knock that unemployment rate down quickly. on the other hand, we've thrown a lot at this economy, including most recently a government shutdown, and we're still creating jobs in the private sector for the most part. >> you know, there were big gains in retail, yet we did see a step back in federal government jobs. very small comparatively here. you add that on to what you've just said and one might say why didn't we see a bigger impact on retail, which might be normal, and why wouldn't we see a bigger number when it comes to government jobs that have gone sgloun down. >> so the government thing has to do with the methodology they employ. when government employees are furlou furloughed, they're still counted. we consider them at work. so that you won't find. but what economists thought we'd see more of in this report was the kind of knock-on effects on retail and restaurants and the cafe outside the shutdown national park. you didn't see that much of that. i will say this, one thing you have to keep in mind and you saw this more in the other side, the unemployment side of the survey, there you see some of the results from the government shutdown and they did boost the unemployment rate and reduce the labor force participation. >> what are the estimations of the loss in terms of economic impact. we also saw number that say came out in terms of the cost of the furlough, some $2 billion. are those impacts we'll see in the next job report, perhaps? >> perhaps. where we expect to see those is in the fourth quarter gdp report. remember that's october. that's the first month of the third quarter. and so in the next gdp report we should shave, i don't know, maybe something like 0.3 of a point off growth because of the shutdown. >> got it. let's get on to twitter right now. it's closed, what, 70%, 80% higher than the ipo was itself. what's your take on that? is this a good time to buy then? >> you know, i wrote about it last night. i really -- i don't know that anyone can give you much advice about the price itself, because i heard analysts on both sides with very strongly held positions. what i will say is this. this was a pretty impressive rollout, especially if you think about facebook. the new york stock exchange can kind of thumb their nose to the nasdaq right now because that rollout, that ipo went quite well for twitter, and it's also in the midst of some pretty glum stuff going on in the economy. i consider it sort of positive. here's an innovative, interesting, fun company and they had a successful ipo and raised a lot of capital. that said, it's not going to change any of the fundamental economic problems that will be setting middle and low income people. >> jared bernstein, thank you so much. msnbc and cnbc contributor. president obama will speak about the economy in the 1:00 p.m. hour here on msnbc. be sure to tune in for our live coverage there. he's admitted to smoking crack. now toronto's mayor has another problem. a newly released video of him going on a violent rant. take a look. >> he dies or i die. brother, you better [ bleep ]. >> what mayor rob ford says was behind this video coming up. plus surveillance video is released after a teen's body was found rolled up in a gym mat in georgia and it's bringing up even more questions. the teen's parents join us straight ahead. and it's the place to be if you're running for president. the state of iowa. rick perry was there yesterday, sarah palin is there today. coming up, the man behind the new film called "caucus." when our little girl was born, we got a subaru. it's where she said her first word. 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