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Lots to get to, but we start with day six of the Government Shutdown and today the talk was all about nearing the debt ceiling deadline. The white house took advantage of the sunday talk show circuit with treasury secretary jack lew who appeared on four of the sunday shows. Republicans countered with House Speaker john boehner. Lets get right to the brain trust. Julie pace, White House Correspondent, bob hurder, and zachary caravelle, columnist from reuters. Between to see you. Julie, john boehner laying blame for a potential debt limit crisis squarely at the feet of president obama. Take a listen. The nations credit is at risk because of the administrations refusal to sit down and have a conversation. Theyre saying its at risk because of your refusal to pass a clean debt limit. We are not going to pass a clean debt limit increase. Under no circumstances . I told the president the votes are not in the house to pass a clean debt limit and the president is risking default by not having a conversation with us. Julia sat down with president obama for an interview friday night. Did you sense any signs of him softening . No, not at all. And it really is striking just how far apart the president and john boehner are at this point. The conversation that theyre having now about the debt ceiling now is very similar to the conversation that they have been having about the government shut up to o shutdown where the president says these are two things, that congress simply has to do alone. John boehner acting at the behest of a lot of the conservative members of his caucus say, hey, lets use both as opportunities to extract some kind of concession from the president , whether its on health care, whether its on spending of the deficit. Bob, default more or less likely than it was a week ago . I never thought that default was likely. I think its possible, but i dont think its likely. What i think is interesting is the way this thing is being played out. And its going further from a lot of republicans ever wanted to. The real issue, the republicans havent had any cards to play. Obama care has been passed by both houses of congress, signed bee the president and upheld by the supreme court. So negotiate over what . Jack lew defended the administration on all the Major Networks this morning. This is a bit of what he said. Take a listen. The failure of congress to act would for the first time put us in a place where were defaulting on our obligations as a go. It is irresponsible and reckless to take that chance. There are no good choices if we run out of borrowing capacity. The First Time Since 1979, the United States would not be paying its bills. Your take is a bit unique. Is he crying wolf there or not so much . What happens to the economy if there is no agreement by october 17th . The reality is we dont know that hes crying wolf because none of us know what would happen on october 18th if we dont know what were supposed to do before then. Do i think that the ratcheting of the rhetoric of doom, the debtapocalypse that it allows each camp to dig in saying the stakes will be huge. So you are creating a crisis about 11 days from now. And i dont think anything will happen frankly only late the week after columbus day because you have two camps saying we wont move, we dont need to move and the stakes are so high that were not going to negotiate about them. I dont know that thats going to happen. But i do know that it certainly suits the political purposes toto toen think that it will. This is senator cruz on cnn this morning. He talked about once again trying to tie defunding obama care to the debt ceiling negotiations. Take a listen. We should look for ways to mitigate the harms from obama care. Since 1978, weve raised the debt ceiling 55 times. A majority of those times, 28 times, congress has attached very specific and stringent requirements so the president s demand jack up the nations credit card with no limits, no constraints, its not a reasonable demand. Possible, bob, is that a reasonable case for negotiation on the debt limit . No. You could have an argue or discussion over any number of issues. The assumption is that. There is something one side or the other could give on and some sxro hiz could be reached. The republicans are the ones who have determined that obama care is the issue at hand. I cannot imagine what are the democrats going to negotiate on obama care . To what extent will they pull back on this program thats already under way . And arguably to what extent should they have thoo puhave to. Youre not going to delay the implementation because its been implemented. They will reopen negotiations. A whole series of things could now be open for negotiation. There is a fairness to saying the debt ceiling has been an occasion for having those debates. But there are still two issues. One is the issue of the shut down oifgt governmeoig of the government which is under way already. And the other is whether or not to raise debt limit. There should not be a fight over the shutdown of the government. A clean resolution should pass and if you want to have discussions about the debt ceiling, thats a different matter. Julia, what did the president say to you about the tea party specifically, about the handful of folks, minority much the minority of the house, this group of people that is holding the government hostage to a certain september . He said it is a reflection of democracy, some real concerns that the American People have. That being said, he thinks that just because you have frustration doesnt mean you come to washington and try to shut everything down. It means you come to washington and you try to work through problems and you try to find solutions, not just say, were not going to do anything unless we get 100 of what we want. He did have some interesting comments about some of the fresh men republican senators you can ted crews oig moenk them, trying to draw comparison to his brief tenure in the senate. He said, look, i wasnt out there courting the media, i wasnt out there trying to shut down the government. And these guys maybe position that they can say the most controversial things, take the most controversial positions and it helps them raise money, but is not necessarily good for running the country. Stick around, guys. We are also on this sunday afternoon getting more for which about two top secret raids against terrorist targets in africa carried out by u. S. Military forces saturday. Troops went to shore from tripoli and a senior al qaeda operative was captured. He was believed to have been behind the 1998 attacks on u. S. Embassies in tan sa knee i ca t. And kenya. John kerry. We hope this makes clear that the United States of america will never stop in its effort to hold those accountable who conducts agents of terror and those members of al qaeda and other terrorist organizations literally can run but they cant hide. We will continue to try to bring people to justice in an appropriate way with hopes that ultimately these kinds of activities against everybody in the world will stop. David rude is with us. How pornd was his capture . It easeems like he was tryin to set up a new al qaeda base. He had a 5 million bounty on his head and this is what the u. S. Feared, that theyre moving in to north africa where there are these weak governments and setting up new al qaeda bases. And something rare for our military and special force, he was captured alive. Yes. How useful is that going to be . It could be very useful in terms of depending on how active he is with al qaeda and these new groups of al qaeda that are emerging possibly in libya and across north africa. This was a delta force raid. Three vehicles moved up to his vehicle as he was parking and returning to his home after morning prayers. They smashed the windows of his vehicle, grabbed the gun and just smashed him away. Very risky frankly. Like something out of a pof. Yes, and it working. So somalia not worked. The group believed to be responsible for the deadly attack at that mall in nairobi. What happened in that raid . That was navy s. E. A. L. S. They swam ashore, they were going at one house where there was suspect, possibly a leader attacked in the kenya attacked. They encountered more resistance than expected. A firefight for 15 or 20 minutes and they swarm away. P hours said about an hour. Helicopters were called in to support them, but they have admitted they did that get their arrest get. Can we expect any repercussions from either of those missions . The real concern is more in libya. There have been statements by libyan moderates saying they assume the raid, they dont want terrorists in their country. But the government there is very weak and theyre afraid that al qaeda will retaliate against the Libyan Government or there will be retaliation against u. S. Embassy in tripoli. What does this lead fuss this global war on terror . Youll see more special forces raids. He must have been a big fish to try to capture him alive. So there was something more important about him. But well see more and more of these raids, more drone strike and more attacks as well. Always appreciate your insights. Thank you so much for coming in. Up next, following through the cracks of obama care. Even with the new law, millions still do not have access to insurance. More than half of these people are poor, they are black, they are single mothers. 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According to Law Enforcement officials, the driver of the suv is not expected to face charges. He is, however, expected to testify before a grand jury in the coming weeks. Meanwhile police are investigating the presence of Police Officers who may have been among the pack of rioters that day. One of those officers Law Enforcement sources say worked in a deep undercover sensitive role for thenypd and the other officers may not have known who he was. The effort to extend Health Care Care to millions of americans is currently under way. But it leaves out scores of people that the program was designed to help. 26 states have rejected Medicaid Expansion. That means twothirds of africanamericans and single mothers who currently do not have insurance will remain without insurance. One state hit especially hard, mississippi. Which has the largest percentage of poor and uninsured people in this country. In that state, more than 90,000 African Americans are being denied coverage. Dr. Shirley heads up the Jackson Medical Mall foundation which provides health care for the underserved. Doctor, the New York Times talked to a 53yearold unemployed mississippi man named we Willie Charles carter. He makes less than 3,000 a year but does not qualify for medicaid in mississippi because he has no dependent children. He told the times, youve got to be almost dead before you can get medicaid in mississippi. Dr. Sher irley, how is that possible . Mississippi has a very restrictive bare bones medicaid program. And the only way currently without the expansion and withouted adoption of the polics in the health care reform, then therefore the only way you can be on medicaid in mississippi is, first of all, you have to be poor. And then if you are a male and you are anywhere between 19 and 64 it doesnt matter your income or Health Condition unless youre totally disabled, you cannot qualify for medicaid. For instance, if you are 19 and under and your family is poor, then the children in that family under age 19 are eligible for medicare. But if a female is in that family age 19 or older, if that female, only way that fee maim who is over 19 is eligible is that they become pregnant and theyre eligible through the pregnancy and the subsequent children are eligible for medicaid. But once that yes. I want to take a moment quickly to look the at specifically the racial component to this because the newspapers here are absolutely staggering. Black women today in mississippi earn less than the average american in 1960. Black men today in mississippi have a shorter Life Expectancy than the average american had more than 50 years ago. How does this lack of Medicaid Expansion hit the black community compared to the White Community in mississippi . Well, im glad you brought that up. Medicaid expansion as proposed would allow for an additional close to 300,000 adults to be covered for medicaid. About a little more than a third of those kids would be white. And im glad you raised the issue of race because the politicians in mississippi have historically used race to convince low income whites to vote and take positions against their own interests. For instance the proposed Medicaid Expansion, i think the news media does a does his service because once you paint Medicaid Expansion black, it their fears. But the politicians can prey on it and play on it as if it is a benefit only for blacks at the expense of whites. And historically during my lifetime, the politics of race in mississippi carries the day. So if we could just getting across the fact that the New York Times article has pictures of brown people being adversely affected by the nonexpansion, but there are white people who are also affected negatively by the nonexpansion. 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Miley cyrus was host and musical guest. But leave it to the folks at weekend update to make the Government Shutdown the star of the night. They revealed their inwinnerr. John boehner. Exhausting watching you. Youre like seinfeld if there were 30 kramers. Sgloozer t loser the obama care website which had technical issues. You cant campaign on the fact that millions dont have health care and then be surprised that millions dont have health care. How could you not be ready . Thats like 1800plours getting caught off guard by valentines day. Winner, canada. Senator ted cruz was born in canada. So while we were worried about iran, china and north korea, a canadian shutdown the u. S. Government. Well played, canada. Because an empty pan is a blank canvas. [ woman 2 ] to share a moment. [ man 1 ] to remember my grandmother. [ woman 3 ] to show my love. [ woman 4 ] because life needs flavor. [ woman 5 ] to travel the World Without leaving home. [ male announcer ] whatever the reason. 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A political investigation suggests that the driver may have become incapacitated after hitting his head on the interior of that monster truck. Im craig melvin. Here is a look at some of the other top stories on a sunday afternoon. In afghanistan today, four u. S. Soldiers were killed when an improvised explosion went off. 132 Foreign Forces have died so far this year in afghanistan. Most of them were american. Hundreds of people are waiting to see when they will be let back into their homes near camp pendleton. Firefighters in Southern California ordered those evacuations after a brush fire grew to more than 1008 acres overnight. Fierce santa take ana flames ar fueling the fire. And mormons are admitting past mistakes have caused women to leave the church. The admission is a change in how leaders confront members who question their faith or defect from the church all together. And doctors have ordered a month off for Christina Fernandez because they found blood on her brain. Her Spokesman Says she suffered some sort of previously undisclosed head injury in august, the problem was discovered saturday when the 60yearold president complained of headaches. Meanwhile back here, the house and senate are not in session today. They are going to be back at work tomorrow. The question, though, is when will they reopen the government. And whats next in this game of chicken. Nbcs Kelly Odonnell is on capitol hill for us. The shutdown would end of course if the house could pass that clean budget resolution which would allow for full government funding. This is what Speaker John Boehner said this morning. I take it youre not prepared to submit a clean bill . There are not enough 1r0e9 vo pass a clean cr. The administration is pushing back saying there are enough votes. Dan pfeiffer tweeting if there are not votes to open the government as Speaker Boehner says, why is he so afraid to call vote and prove it. Who is right here, kelly o . It is all about looking at the details and the calendar. Certainly there have been a number of republicans who oefrtd course of the last week or so have been asked by reporters and constituents would they support a reopening of the government with this as weve been calling it clean cr. Funding for the government with nothing to do with the health care law. But public attempts to reporters or constituent might not be exactly the same thing as the moment when a vote is called and being held account for that vote. Im talking to sources within Speaker Boehners office and they say the typing is now different and heres why. We are so close to the debt limit issue which is coming up on october 17th, thats the last date where the Treasury Department says that the government can continue to borrow and pay its bills and so forth. And because democrats have also insisting that that be raised without anything else attached to it, that that changes the dynamics. So some of those republicans who have said publicly that they would support a vote today to reopen the government might not do that given the fact the democrats are saying they would not deal when it comes to the debt ceiling. So thats complicated, i know. But thats the nature of public statements versus actual votes. So we dont really know. Now, Speaker Boehner is in a position where he doesnt want to bring that vote and have it not pass or bring that vote and have its pa and then weaken his position for the debt ceiling. So bringing that vote is so unlikely at this point because republicans who do run the house have the opportunity to decide what is called for and what is not in terms of votes. So its really a battle over public attempts versus the strategy of how they get out of the larger problem here which is not just Government Shutdown, but what to do about debt ceiling. Kelly odonnell from capitol hill for us. Did that make any sense to you . It always makes sense when you explain it. Its lonely up here on a sunday. Not a sole around, my friend. Thank you so much. Getting families of inmates out of the shadows. Thats todays big idea. In 200010, 2. 7 million kids had a parent behind bars. In fact a majority of inmates are parents of young children. Today one group is taking a holistic approach to helping former inmates reenter society. Theyre helping out their kids to especially getting them through school. Fred patrick helps run the Vera Institute for justice, hes live here with me for todays big idea. In the simplest of terms, how exactly does your group help these former inmates and their families . So we want to promote pathways from prison, essentially its partnerships between colleges, universities and the correctional system. So we provide College Education programs in prison for inmates who are nearing release with a focus on followthrough two years post release with the wrap around support in terms of Family Support services, sub tap difference ser bus services, other things they may need including housing. So when you look at all the data, to suggest that increasingly individuals needed indication to get the type of employment in order to get the jobs that are available out there, and so that is the way in which we feel well be able to strength then families and communities. How many inmates have we helped so far . The program started in summer of 2012 is when we released the request for proposals to several states. And the program kicked off in terms of the Educational Services in new jersey this past general and in North Carolina this fall, this september. What kind of it is advanta disadvantages does a child who has a part in police face specif prison face specifically to schooling . There is evidence that there is a greater likelihood of their involvement inface specifically . There is evidence that there is a greater likelihood of their involvement in criminal justice activity and of course lack of parental support in terms of not being physically available to attend pta conferences and things of that. So what were trying to do is through provision of hosting their education, the Research Suggests though individuals become better parents and can better take care of families. Whats the bwebsite again . Vera. Org. Thank you so much for stopping by to share this with us. Folk, do you have a big idea that is making a difference . You can tell us about it by emailing us, big idea. Msnbc nbc uni. Com. [ male announcer ] maybe youve already heard what theyre saying about the nissan altima. And we have to admit, that its all true. But dont just take their word for it, check it out for yourself. The awardwinning nissan altima. Nissan. Innovation that excites. 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Two films in theaters this month are putting Asian Americans in the spotlight. And its the first time in more than a decade. The documentary linsanity chronicles rise of jeremy lin and then there is a romantic comedy wedding palace, it tackles marriage and family folklore. Joining me live is the producer of linsanity. And director of wedding palace. Christine, let me start with you. You cite this figure on your films website, that he had withing palace is the first Asian American movie to hit theaters in more than a decade. What it ook took so long . Good question. I think its a challenge for Asian Americans to get our image as on screen. But this movie is not just an Asian American film. Images as o. But this movie is not just an Asian American film. On screen. But this movie is not just an Asian American film. On screen. But this movie is not just an Asian American film. On screen. But this movie is not just an Asian American film. Two of my main collaborate tors are also african american. We have a lot of diversity involved. So even though it may look Asian American, this is a movie for all people. Sure. Brian, your film hit theater this is weekend. It has been pretty well received by the critics so far. How did that propject come abou . We pitched jeremy back in harvard when he was still at the university about the idea of doing a web series with him. And this was before linsanity was even a word. He was hez tant at first. We thought it was a really interesting story because he was already making some noise at that level in the university ranks. And ultimately when he got to the nba, with golden state, he finally agreed to do it with us and we started shooting very simple shoestring budget idea that turned on its head last february. You bet on the right horse. Well, yeah. I guess we did. That documentary shows how jeremy dealt with some of the racial slurs that he encountered during that rise to stardom. Not to give away too much about the documentary, but what else did it you discover about jeremy lin . Well, we always say that jeremy is probably the most extraordinary ordinary person youll ever meet. By that what i mean is jeremy is like your average boy next goor. Key have been in your chemistry class, in your choir, on your chess club. He was involved with so many Different Things growing up. And you look at him and he doesnt look like one of the best basketball players on earth. He just looks like someone who like i said, was your brother or cousin or just the kid serving you sandwiches at itit togs off the. But he picks up a basketball and magic happens. So getting to know him was coold magic happens. So getting to know him was cool. Hes as humble as can be. Your movie is about someone pushed to get marriage. Which is universal. What if anything about his story is uniquely Asian American . Or is there . Well, i try to highlight different aspects of korean culture. Youll see a first birthday scene. But really at the same time, im inspired by filmmakers like woody allen who really try to take a very uniquely jewish manhattan experience and make it for all people. And thats what we really try to bring forth with wedding palace just through some funny comedy, try to make it as universal as possible. What was the toughest part . Raising the money, getting it out there. How much does Something Like this cost, if you dont mind me asking . Or do you mind me asking . Put this way, if we would have had to have paid for everything, it probably would have been in the neighborhood of about maybe 3 million. And you were able to raise that money on your own . Yes. It was a lot of cooperation and support really from the los angeles korea town business community. This film would not have been made without the korea American Community support and now getting it out to theaters. Doct brew ian, how it did you rai the money . We had a shoestring budget with ininvestigation tore, but once inshanty hit, our bills escalated and we went out and raised through kick starter which is great. And two fold kick starter obviously the money is important. But secondly, if not the even equally important is youre building your initial fan base. Because people who support through kick starter, theyre telling people, hey, look, i supported this cause, check out this movie and they feel like they have a piece of the film with them. So once we went live at sun dance in january, they were so receptive to turning that around and pushing it through their social network. So the buzz has been building. Its really palpable and this weekend, weve been doing pretty well from the early returns that i can see. So hats off to kick starter. Christine, brian, both filmmakers we are probably be seeing and hearing a lot more of in the future. Thank you for spending some of your sunday with us. 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What led you to ask president obama about the name of washingtons Football Team . So im a big sports fan. The president is a big sports fan. But a big part of the reason that i asked him this question is that throughout his presidency, hes actually made it a real priority to try to increase the focus on native americans. Every year he holds this tribal summit in washington. Its actually coming up next month. Hes had hhs involved with having Health Care Programs designed specifically for native americans. So i wanted to see how he would try to balance his focus on trying to, you know, improve conditions for native americans with his history as a pretty avid sports fan. Okay. Bob, heres the thing. Some people have said, you know, theyre picking at the redskins. That name. Youve got the black hawks. Youve got the indians. Youve got the braves. There are a number of other team names associated with native americans. Whats different about this one . Redskins is a slur. Black hawks is not a slur. Braves is is not a slur. Redskins is not a term that any that most people want to use when youre talking about native americans. I think that the washington nickname is more egregious than some of the other ones. Lets turn back to the Government Shutdown before we get out of here. Last week we saw headlines all over the world. We want to show a few of them to you here. Nothing works in the usa. Thats one of the headlines. A few other headlines from all over the globe. How embarrassing, zachary carabell, how embarrassing has the shutdown been for the United States and has it done any real damage to our standing globally . Look, this has been a fiveyear period of if not actual ig anymorety than actually declining perception of the United States. Some which has to do with a changing global balance. Relatively the role of the United States globally is likely to be less prominent or less prepond rent. That is not a bad thing. The other side of it is whenever theres bad news in a country that attracts a lot of attention, youre going to attract a lot of people that like to hate. We like to joke about italian politics. In the past two weeks, italian politics we make italian politics look fairly healthy. Something i never thought i would be saying. So, yes, it is embarrassing. I think that is clearly not the most important factor of whats going on right now. Lets take a look at headlines next week. Julie, whats your headline . What are we talking about a week from now . Look, i kind of wish for all those Government Employees out there that this wasnt the case. But i think we are probably going to still be in the Government Shutdown. I think youre going to start to see that debate merge more closely with the debt ceiling as the days go on. Sneak peek, bob herbert . I agree. I think the headline will be shutdown fight shifts. What will happen is there will be this merger with the raising of the debt ceiling. Then youll see a willingness on the democrats, more of a willingness to negotiate because theyll be negotiating on issues separate and apart from obama care. Your headline was gop starts to buckle. Gop buckles was your headline. Im changing my mind. We didnt let our Graphics Department know that. I think were going to begin to see a shift in whats going on here. Because i do think that the two issues are going to merge. Zachary karabell . I want to make sure your headline is the same headline you submitted earlier. It is the same headline, yes. Although its funny that all three of us without any consultation have essentially the same headline. I. E. That the continuing resolution, funding of the government bleeds into the debt ceiling. I was going to suggest that, in fact, youre not going to have a government reopened before columbus day. This is going to get worse for the dell ceiling. Its clearly a conventional wisdom that is emerging. It may be a conventional wisdom that is correct. Theres very little attempt to negotiate. Theres very little attempt to get out of intrenched positions. I dont think the markets need this. I think youll have a calm market week. If that happens, we will break our Government Shutdown record, then. Yeah. Which i guess is 17 days. 23 days. Then well get near it. The thing you have to worry about, though, is for some Unforeseen Development to come up. You know, some problem in the stock market. Some company gets in trouble. I mean, you know, were in its a precarious situation. Zachary karabell, big thanks. Bob herbert, thank you so much. Julie pace from the a. P. Thank you so much. Do appreciate your time. Thank you for sharing that interview with the president with us as well. Absolutely. Thanks for having me. That is going to wrap it up for this sunday afternoon. Ill be back next weekend, 2 00 eastern. Ill see you again on sunday at 3 00 eastern. Have a fantastic sunday evening. 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Now in freezers. Thanks for disrupting your sunday afternoon. Im karen finney. Guess what . Ted cruz says hes winning. Maybe he wants to tell that to the millions of people whove been affected by the Government Shutdown. Youre the one man in washington that has the power to reopen the government. Why is this guy so unable to do what will make him a profile in courage . There are not the votes in the house to pass a clean cr. Put it on the floor monday or tuesday. Are you sure thats true . Time for us to stand. We were risking shutting down the government. That is not our goal. When i hear you say thats not your goal ted cruz and the hard right republicans are holding him hostage. Were winning the argument. Winning. Republicans own this ut