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Along with joe, willy, and me we have the White House Reporter from the Associated Press jonathan lameir. This time topping 50,000 new cases in a single day for the first time yesterday. That comes just a week after topping 40,000 for the first time. Among the states with the highest number of new cases, california, texas, arizona, North Carolina, and georgia all reported record daily totals. Were going to be showing you in just a minute polls from these states. Many of these states just a few months ago considered to be safe states for donald trump and no longer. You will also see senate races of republican incumbents getting thrashed in the polls. The reason why, well, there is so many reasons why. But they continue to stand next to donald trump and support him even as he keeps talking about a virus magically going away while theyre having spikes in their own states. President trump claims increased testing for the surge but data shows that cases are also rising in places where testing has decleared. At the end of february, the president said that the try re disappear like a miracle. Were now at 129,000 cases and the president is still saying the same thing. I think that at some point that is going to sort of just disappear, i hope. You still believe so . I do. You just have to think that was months ago. But that was yesterday. I saw it yesterday and i asked wait, was this back from february . Again, were setting new records every single day and we heard him say it in january, in february, in march. That it was one person, 15 people, going away soon. Said he was doing a great job. Why dont go through the list of just some of the things that he said. On february 10th he said this looks like by april, you know in theory when it gets warmer it miraculously goes away. February 27th he said its going to disappear. One day, its like a miracle, it will disappear. March 6th, you have to be calm, he said, it will go away. April 29th this is going to go away. June 15th it goes away, it will tfade away. Then yesterday as we just heard at some point that will sort of just disappear, i hope, with 130,000 americans dead, and mo more dieing. This has been an ongoing theme. We would quote what he said in january and february. Saying he needed to wake up and get serious about this. He kept telling people it would magically go away. One person coming in from china, going to go away. 15 people coming in, soon the infection number will be down to zero. But it continued as 10,000 died, 30,000 died, 50,000 died. We passed that threshold not so long ago when more people died in the vietnam war than died of the coronavirus which the president said would go away. Were now at a point where twice as many people have died of this pandemic, which the president claimed would magically go away and was one person coming in from china. We had more people die from the coronavirus than died in combat deaths in world war i. Were talking about world wars, and the president is still saying its going away. On june the 18th, its dieing. This is, again, this is when historians look back, theyre not going to have any question as to why his poll numbers collapsed the way that he did. We kept saying a million times on this show, take care of the Health Care Crisis and youll take care of the economic crisis, and when you take care of the economic crisis youll take care of your political crisis. He just has not been able to do it. His year of imagimagical thinki continues and continued yesterday with us breaking the record for the fifth time in eight days with 130,000 americans dead from this disease that he said would go away and not kill anybody. This is where we now find ourselves. Its having a devastating impact on the president s poll numbers. On republicans poll numbers, and of course more importantly on americans health. Yeah, the only strategy that the president has had in the last four months is to wish this away. To, wish away a pandemic by a miracle. I thought the same thing when i listened to that yesterday. Is it july 1st and were still wishing for a miracle and hoping this will go away. We heard from the White House Press secretary who says were aware there are embers that need to be put out. That suggests there is a fire that has been put out, and that there is just some embers. It is a National Record for cases in this could be try. Theyre not embers, theyre hospitals being overwhelmed. It doesnt mean that it is good in houston, miami, georgia, North Carolina. These are not embers. The fire is roaring in these states. Miracles, we said many, many months ago and we can pull up the tape, the country just cannot afford to listen to his hunches any more, we have to listen to doctors with a strategy. Dr. Fauci saying we could be up to 100,000 cases a day if were not careful here. The president showed again yesterday, joe, that he is not taking it seriously, he is still wishing for a miracle. We can go back, i think in april, where the president was saying that this is going to be gone by fall. Its going to look nothing like this by fall and dr. Fauci had to get up and say no, were going to have a second wave and it will come back in the fall. And you know, meeka, what were experiencing right now, this is the first wave. The second wave comes in the fall. But the president s Wishful Thinking again. We can look at june the 1st. It was a devastating day for the president politically. Devastating for a lot of sycophants that followed him in uniform. But this is gutting his poll numbers and his support. We stay with polls that came out yesterday. Yes, he is killing his campaign and americans are dieing due to his hunches. Many argue that the example is to lead on this, push for social distancing and masks but politically he is hurting. According to the latest cnbc poll, he leads by 8 points, biden holds an advantage against see key battleground states. Up five in florida, 5045. Up five in michigan. Up seven in North Carolina. Up six in pennsylvania. And just bringing in, joe, coronavirus numbers lets keep this up for a second. Bringing in coronavirus numbers there is a lot of folks on the local level and in the National Media watching the coronavirus numbers in states like arizona where trump held super spreader events. And were coming up on them in two weeks. In tulsa he had 6,000 people squashed together. Most doctors thought that was an extreme danger for the people that attended. You look at these numbers and i remember you telling me some time ago that the Trump White House was so concerned about michigan, let me give you the numbers out of three state thats really underline how devastating this is for the president right now and again, i put most of this back on his failed response to the pandemic and the continued Wishful Thinking. Arizona a state that the Trump Campaign six months ago was confident they had in the bag. So confident they bragged about winning new mexico as well. Donald trump down seven points to joe biden in arizona. Those numbers, i from everything that i have heard, those numbers will solidify. North carolina, a state that republicans have won every year except when barack obama won it in 2008. North carolina plus seven in North Carolina. Wait until we show you the senate race in North Carolina. To show you just how horrific things have gotten for Donald Trumps Republican Party. And in the state, that if tim russet were still with us, i suspect he would be talking wisconsin, wisconsin, wisconsin. This one is getting further and further apart. Joe biden had a comfortable lead. The cnbc poll has joe biden plus eight. And, i would ask you, as i have been asking you for the past two weeks, how does trump turn things around . How can he take a new tact on the pandemic, but we have him talking yesterday again about it magically going away. So joe, the strategists from both parties, pollsters that i have been talking to, have all come back with the same refrain. Looking at the newest polls out today showing joe biden up significantly in all of the battleground states. And bigger in the National Polls. And the refrain has been that if 2016 had not happened, we would be thinking that joe biden was on his way from a route. That everything is trending his direction. There doesnt seem to be any way for President Trump to reverse this slide. Were four months away. Were not going to do that, of course. It is early july. We saw how things changed dramatically. That trump has been proven to be a resilient politician. But he is in significant trouble. The biden camp feels extraordinarily good about a state that you mentioned. A state that theyre primed to take back. The republicans are playing the defensive. Theyre going to have to make ad buys in states like georgia, ohio, oklahoma is coming. These are very defensive moves here. Theyre concerned that he is just bleeding support across the map. For the longest time it was about who won the election. Right now joe biden as a significant lead in both. Right now theyre scrambling for answers. They thought with that oklahoma rally and that packed event in phoenix, they thought they were going to get back on the road, cater to the base, those have faded away. There are no political events on the president s counter right now and none stoet be announced. This was supposed to be a week where they would talk of having an event or two. There are no rallies on the schedule. Ayr not sure how they can do one right now. Theyre not sure theyre going to get enough people out nor that they have the pop ticks for a political event while the coronavirus is surging in o so many states across the country. Were seeing this difference. The president in his interview did say that he was okay in masks. He is still not wearing them in public. I think in the early months some republicans, some supporters, are able to, but now this second half of the first wave that comes after the president encouraged all of these states to reopen sooner than they should, this is being put at his feet and his feet squarely. We we said it a million times on it the show, the only thing that we were asking the president to do, the only thing that we were asking governors to do, was to follow the white houses guidelines. Two weeks of declining infections before you reopen. When they refused to do that but caulked about masks, we talked about friends that had small we want the Small Businesses to stay open, they wont even say his name. A republican operative that has worked on myth mitt romneys campaign, jeps campaign. I dont even want to but basically saying that masks were superstiti superstitiou superstitious. That you were a member of a cull cult if you wore a mask. So this sort of talk, maybe it was acceptable by donald trump supporters, those that leaned republican. Most of the hospitalizations, most of the deaths were in new york city, but theyre not now. Theyre in arizona, theyre in texas, theyre in florida. They are in california. Theyre in states, though, outside of new york city that are hitting a lot closer to home for trump supporters. And theyre having a big impact not just on the president s numbers but also on the numbers of the Key Senate Races that will determine if Mitch Mcconnell is the majority leader next year or not. Which has a democratic winning over john james. In arizona, former astronaut mark kelly is up nine points. And leading tom tillis by nine points. Lets just stick with North Carolina. This is a swing state that republicans usually win. But the president down by seven, tom tillis, he is getting absolutely pounded in that North Carolina race. Also a lot of trob. Of course Steve Bullock probably the favorite to win up there. You go around the country and again were not talking about what the president said in the past nine months, were talking about what he said yesterday. With all of this the coronavirus, magically going away still in july. It is. Amazing, that number, you talked about all of the states, there is a reason that Mitch Mcconnell has publicly starts to break with the president we have not seen them do that up until now, and now in the last month or so, we have seen them come out critical of the president , breaking with the president on the way she handling kfrs raising questions about the russia bounty story. When you look at right track and wrong track numbers, 74 of americans in a new poll yesterday believe the country is on the wrong track. Theyre good at putting their finger up and knowing what way the wind blows. 18 is the right track number. You cant win on those numbers plane and simple. It is showing up in this polls. We have a disease expert at the pathogens network. It is good to see you. We have been talking about the pandemic in the context of politics here, what are you seeing in in all of these record breaking breaking states here. It is part of the country thinking the pandemic is a hoax. But have one of the worst responses to this pandemic. You asked me, march 31st you asked me what do i say to bhepee who have not seen the virus entering their communities yet, and i said it is going to be a slow burn if is going to slowly make it out to all of these other states. We need a National Strategy. And when Vice President biden presented his National Plan we got a hint of what it looks like in response to this pandemic which is centralizing testing. Mandating masks, helping states keep up contact tracing. Those kind of strategies is how we get beyond this and we Work Together because states are not independent. Theyre going to send us here in massachusetts. Florida will send us their students in august, and were going to send them their seniors in december. Were all connected and without that National Strategy will not work. States really need to learn from each others experiences. We locked down immediately in new york. Governor desantis needs to learn from arizonas experience. Theyre now looking at crisis standard of care. That means their Health Care Systems are so overwhelmed theyre having to come up with principals of what they would do if they run out of beds or ventilators. Or health care workers. And florida is not taking that cue and shutting down the way they should in advance of this july 4th weekend. Exactly as you said the biggest thing that we have seen as a hampering element of this is that the president of the United States is not taking this pandemic seriously. He is not modelling the behavior that we need to let his followers, who still follow him, surveys say red leaning Americans Still follow him. We could make a big impact on this pandemic. I remember this conversation. I remember the many that we had since then, and it is staggering and maddening that the same things you were saying on march 31 youre city having to say on july the 2nd. When you listen to the president say that this is going to disappear yesterday. When you hear them say these are just embers in the states, it is clear there wont many b a National Strategy. So what should the individual states be doing right now. Should they shut down, rolling back their reopenings. What should Southern California be doing, what should houston and miami be doing right now. I think these states need to look at and plan for case thats will occur two weeks from now. This pandemic, this disease, is bound for exponential growth. They should role back restrictions on any indoor groups. A lot of the states need to revert to the federal government because they will need help. In many of the states im hearing that there is still personal protective equipment shortages maybe that is a dis y distribution problem. We heard from a Lieutenant Governor of texas talking about the fact that he would not listen to fauci any more. We need them to not vilify their Public Health official thats have come under death threats, have been harassed, for doing their jobs. Doctor, u wonder where our standing is in the world as it pertained to coronavirus cases and other country thats have been working on mitigation efforts. Is there any science, not really im not asking you to comment on the president , but im curious where this statement is coming from. Is there any with a hypothesis or data to show that this goes away . This does not go away on our schedule, you know . The worry is that in the fall, the reason were worried about a second wave in the fall, both intersect in the fall together. We have a certain amount of people that we admit for the flu. There is no evidenced that that is not going to happen. We wont it wont be as big of a burden. Maybe we will discover treatments between now and then. Maybe we turn the corner in stopping this. That is the best thing we can do to reduce the number of cases that were seeing. Students from all over the country will merge into other states bringing back some of these state thats we have seen and their cases received. Doctor, thank you very much once again for coming on the show this morning. Still ahead, the president lashes out at new york citys plan to paint black lives matter on fifth avenue calling it a symbol of hate. And how the u. S. Could fail its democracy test. Youre watching morning joe. Well be right back. Morning jo well be right back. Fect let me grab a pen and some paper. Know what . Im gonna switch now. Just need my desk. My chair. And my phone. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. When you have depression, it can plunge you into deep, dark lows. And, can leave you feeling extremely sad and disinterested. Overwhelmed by bipolar depression . Ask about vraylar. Not all types of depression should be treated the same. 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And he is talking about going back to the early 1960s because he said that the desegregation of neighborhoods had a devastating impact on suburbs. What exactly does a president mean by that . That came roughly a day after he released a video of supporters in an almost entirely white Florida Retirement Community shouting white power. I mean, eli lays this out on a devastating timeline where he makes one racially insensitive or some would say racist comment after another. And again we keep talking about it. He picks 820 iss0 20 issues, bu sides with the 20 side not the 80 side. Those that want to still fight the war, the confederate soldiers. Talking about that he will try to resegregate neighborhoods and end desegregation in neighborhoods because it hurts suburbs. It really is staggering not just the blah tatant racism, but the republicans shaking their head saying how far down is this guy going to take us. Yeah, he is really digging into the confederate side. He is talking about holding up military funding so they wont change the name of a base named after robert e. Lee. That is the hill he wants to die on. He was watching our show because question iss he commented about us asked mayor deblasio about painting blank lyives matter on the street. That is all of the talking points that we have seen pushed out and not listening to the majority voice saying this country has to be changed. He doesnt want to hear that. He thinks he is on the right side of the issue, but he is living in a different time. Because as you say 75 or 80 of americans believe this movement is based on something important. That it is based on Something Real and that they need to be listened to and that the country needs to be listened to and the president is still tweeting about saying parts of the confederacy. Ed loose is out this morning with a new piece that is called how americans could flunk our democracy test. Take us through your theory. This is based on what i did with the integrity project. They have four scenarios for this november election. Three of was ended up in a institutional break down. And these are equally divided players. I participated in one of them and it was extraordinary to see how in those three out of four cases President Trump simply refusing to leave office, and using the awesome powers at his disposal, contested states like wisconsin, michigan, and so forth to stop recounts, trump would be prepared to use those amazing powers. In network is quite unusual in that it gives another ten weeks of full power in office to the losing chief executive. That power has ordinarily not been misused. You think of the last two oneterm president s, george bush senior and jimmy carter, both men who personified fair play. Now we have someone very different. We have someone who would be a store loser and not prepared to leave. So i think the risks of constitutional break down in those circumstances are very, very real. And it includes a situation where trump wins the electoral college. And the coronavirus is is rampant, but loses the popular vote by say six or seven million votes to joe biden. It would be very, very hard for the losing side of the democrats to accept a result like that. So this is not just trump overturning a biden victory, it is fundamentally illegitimate. We have long believed that you hope for the best, you plan for the worst. So these exercises are extraordinarily important so americans can go into the fall with their eyes eye open. But i look back to june the 1st, and i sigh a response about how military men made the mace take of temperatures over the line and they were called by their peers and by refired generals and the entire establishment, and how quickly they returned to being soldiers and marines. Let me ask you if that provides you any solice going into the fall. It does, indeed. I think forewarned is forearmed. This progress is very port. It is not an exercise in prediction. It takes us so were better able to participate and no doubt it has alerted people to the dangers of what could amp in november. It is worth stressing if you look at the swing states, look at places like North Carolina, michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin, they all have split control. They all have republican legislatures and democratic governors. And to have competing plaits with mic pence accepting only one set of certifications. The Supreme Court is not going to want to get involved. Clearly the military will not want to be involved, and you have biden and the president of the United States with none of the misgivings that george bush senior would have had. So i think the danger of misuse of president ial power during transition is something that we should be very alert to. Jonathan has the next question. Ed, good to see you. We talked about this week about how we see some republicans standing up to the president or breaking with him on issues of say like masks and we outlined all of these base plays. The president doesnt seem to be resonating. We point to the idea of enthusiasm and republicans and if theyre going in the right direction or not and so many are saying no. That is poshlly very damaging into on this outline here, do you have any hope that republicans, like they in the 1970 thsds, do you have any hope here that republicans before or after the election would stand up to the this president and finally try to enforce some of the norms . I have hoped that people like mitt romney will continue to stand up and draw red lines. But i think the party as a whole is too deeply invested in trump at this point to turn on him. You might get little quirks like Mitch Mcconnell says we should wear masks, but i dont think you will see a rebellion until trump is defeated. The integrity project that did not result in constitutional break down where biden wins very clearly, trump still doesnt want to quit until he is offered a blanket pardon. I share your prognosis of the lickly hood of him losing. I dont feel very confident for him accepting defeat. Ed, thank you very much. The new piece is on how america could flunk their democracy test. Vladimir putin could have a change to extend his rule until 2036, but they say the results were false fied. What this means for u. S. Foreign policy. S for u. S. Foreign policy can be ready for it. A Digital Foundation from vmware helps you redefine whats possible. Now. From the hospital shifting to remote patient care in just 48 hours. To the university moving hundreds of apps quickly to the cloud. Or the City Government Going Digital to keep Critical Services running. You are creating the future on the fly. And we are helping you do it. Vmware. Realize whats possible. Suffering the loss of a loved one, suffering economic hardship. The country is crying out for leadership, leadership that can unite us, leadership that brings us together. Thats what the presidency is the duty to care, to care for all of us, not just those who vote for us, but all of us. I promise you this i wont traffic in fear and division. I wont fan the flames of hate. Ill seek to heal the racial wounds that have long plagued our country, not use them for political gain. Ill do my job and i will take responsibility, i wont blame others. You know, ive said from the outset of this election, that were in the battle for the soul of this nation. What we believe and maybe most importantly, who we want to be, its all at stake. When we stand together, finally as one america, well rise stronger than we were before. Im joe biden and i approve this message. Im joe biden to bit never bothered me. Dust . Until i found out what it actually was. Dust mite droppings . Ewww. Dead skin cells . 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Though his poll numbers his Approval Ratings are lower than they have been in the past. But the Opposition Leader describing this as illegal and illegitimate. President putin himself said that he wouldnt do this. He wouldnt stay in office for as long as this. He, if he wins the coming two elections, which we assume he will stand in, would be president until he was 83 with a short period as prime minister, of course. He was still leading the country. The question that you ask, what does it mean for the world . Look, i think we will continue to see the same nationalism, the same cynicism. We havent always seen the same putin over the past 20 years. You know, you remember back with president clinton even president bush he was much p more optimistic about relations with the west and then in a famous speech in munich, he kind of threw his cards on the table, if if you like, and changed direction publicly and, you know, look, in the end, history is hard to predict. But certainly i think question predict more putin and that gives us some kind of a guide as to what the future looks like, i guess, in relations with russia. Yeah, as you say, he could be there until he is 83, 84 years old. I want to ask you as well about the russia bounty story. We heard yesterday from the National Security adviser this intelligence was there but it didnt rise to the level of telling the president and President Trumps daily briefer did not relay the information to him specifically. Thats their argument here. The New York Times is reporting on a specific person from afghanistan who was the go between, they say. Russia gave money to this man and he gave it to the taliban to attack american and coalition troops. Is the russian government saying anything more than theyve said in the past where the spokesman for putin colorfully described this story to you as bs . Yes. Yeah, no. Thats their line. Its all bs. Theyre sticking to that. I would just say this about that, willie. You remember that picture of president obama pulling president putin aside and clearly having tough words with him. One question over all this is why didnt President Trump do that . Why wasnt he given this information to be able to think about doing that . We said it again and again this week, intelligence is never black and white. Its never 100 . Its there to guide the president so to decide not to give the president that intelligence is a pretty stunning decision because the right words with the leader of russia even a president putin might change the direction and be in Americas National interest. Ill just leave that there. All right. Keir simmons reporting from london this morning. Thank you so much. Thank you. Lets bring in our correspondent for gq magazine. I want to talk about the election, so to speak, in russia. But first of all, whats the impact of President Trump spending most of his time and his white house spending all of their time trying to push off any type of facts that may relate to the president being informed about the russia bounty plot and doing so without expressing any shock or harsh words for russia about the russia bounty plot . You know, i find it really stunning to be honest. And in part that we in the press are kind of playing along with this game of when did he, when did someone brief him . Was it a written briefing . Was it an oral briefing . Was it february . Was it 2019 . The fact is quite simple. Hes the commander in chief. Whether or not it was briefed he was briefed in february 2019, now he has certainly been briefed. The whole country has been briefed essentially. And the fact that he still saying, you know, it wasnt me or like he said in the rose garden in his first covid19 press conference, i take no responsibility. You know, what kind of commander in chief is that . So obviously raises questions about how we feel about his leadership or americans might feel about his leadership. But the impact on the relationship with russia, is it damaging . Does it put us in a weaker position . I would just say what relationship with russia . We have had had vevery limited negotiations with russia on lower diplomatic levels. He have trump calling putin all the time. He called him five or six times after he found out that putin either knew or people below him were putting bounties on american soldiers heads and that didnt seem to come up. Trump has talked a lot about, you know, pushing back against people saying hes too friendly with the russians, too friendly with putin that this is a big power and Nuclear Power and that you have to talk to them whether you like them or not. And as former moscow ambassador said, talk to them why . Have a Good Relationship why . To what end . In diplomacy, you dont just make friends. You make friends to advance your national interests. We havent seen that here. Of he has developed what he said is a much better relationship with putin. But if he hasnt brought up the fact that his men and women in uniform are being hunted for money from the kremlin, then what is the point of that relationship . Jonathan . Julia, shifting our focus back to yesterdays election in russia, as keir outlined, president putin had a few twists and turns, how hes led the country. But now that he is going to be in power again for potentially more than a decade, what are you anticipating . Now that he is secure in office for so long, is it possible that he will relax some of his controls, allow more personal freedoms there in russia or will it be more of the same . Tightening the grip on power, you know, providing cover for corrupt practices . Its hard to predict the future, of course. How do you foresee this next era of Vladimir Putin going . Thats a great question. I dont see any reason for him to really be able to looss. He feels, especially in moscow, hes less and less popular. Hes less and less popular all over the country but in moscow particularly. Its the city that hates him the most and also where he lives. We just saw the trial of the guard, the film and theater director. He essentially was freed. He got a suspended sentence. And thats the most you can hope. That is the most tantamount and exoneration and freedom and something to celebrate. But they didnt call off the trial. They didnt close, you know, this he didnt close the investigation. They kept it going. I dont see it as a Bounty Program ending. I just think there is no reason for him to change his behavior. All the incentives are there for him to kind of turn the screws, crack down, let a few bubbles of frustration out so the whole thing doesnt bubble over. But mostly i think were going to see more of the same, this kind of guilded stagnation with a lot of economic and political wrought underneath. Julia, thank you so much for coming on the show this morning. Appreciate it. And still ahead, well be joined by former fda commissioner Scott Gottlieb on the heels of the United States hitting another staggering new daily number of coronavirus cases. Youre watching morning joe we never letting anything get in my way. Not the doubts, distractions, or voice in my head. And certainly not arthritis. New voltaren provides powerful arthritis pain relief to help me keep moving. And it can help you too. Feel the joy of movement with voltaren. I never said there was collusion between the campaign and people in the campaign. Yes, you did. I did not. Did you ask the ukraine to investigate joe bide snen. Bide snen. I asked them to get to the bottom of how it was that the man that was pintappointed so you did ask ukraine to look into joe biden . Of course i did. You just said you didnt. He is our al gore. All right. Rudy, hold that thought. Stay right there. Youre a public figure. Yeah. And, by the way, do you have any idea that state department so you know the lobby law. Shut up. Hold on. Hold on. You dont know what youre talking about, idiot. I do. The state no, you dont. You just hide. Mr. Mayor, i wish you would stop. So the president did know about this after the campaign . Thats one of the possibilities and one of the rumors. You stated it as fact. Maybe i did. Ey hes not working with a full deck. If you dont see that he is cognitively impaired. This is crazy. I dont i dont willie i dont understand it i just dont understand why donald trump and Rudy Giuliani and all these people who have a greatest hits package of being cognitively impaired would point to anybody else and suggest theyre cognitively impaired. Weve been saying this for a long time. Donald trump can attack joe biden on this issue. Because for every clip they find, we can find ten clips that make them look even more concerning. China, its the same thing. You cant attack him on china because, you know, john bolton saying hes begging president xi to win the election for him. He goes out in front of the press corps and begs president xi to win the election for him and interfere in our process. He has that january 24th tweet saying that president xi is doing a great job on coronavirus and the United States i mean, we can go on and on. But what who is is this someone continuing to say lets use this cognitive approach . Because whoever it, is they are hurting the president s campaign because it only draws attention to his own deficits that are all on tape. Yeah. Ill leave the medical analysis and diagnosis to other people. But lets just leave it at this i dont know Anyone Around new york city and i include the former mayors friends who dont express some level of concern for him when they see him especially make appearances like the one he made yesterday or any one of the interviews we showed. Youre right. Thats not a great path for them. It also just more broadly, i think to the american public, feels small and petty in a time when the country is on fire again with coronavirus. Is that your big attack that joe biden is old and mentally impaired . When the president himself just turned 74 years old and as you lay out there are a number of clips that we can show and have shown on this program that arent flattering to him in terms of his mental capabilities. So its probably not a place they want to go and particularly seems small at a time when there is such huge problems for Many Americans going on right now. Well, and, John Heilemann, you always talk about how its around the Trump White House its either projection or confession. Will you and i talked about this in real time when donald trump was desperate to get Rudy Giuliani in as secretary of state. Even donald trump and the people around donald trump talk about how rudy had had lost more than a few steps. How rudy would go to bedminster and his chin would slump on his chest at 6 00 at night. And he would be snoring and falling asleep while everybody else was trying to have a meeting. Now im actually just repeating right now what has been reported from the white house. I think we talked about it on this show before. I know you heard many of the same things. So again, for rudy to come out talking about joe biden and his cognitive problems and being a step behind is pretty hilarious when donald trump was saying the same thing about Rudy Giuliani four years ago. Right. And, you know, this was part of the reason that Rudy Giuliani who wanted to be attorney general did not end up in the administration at the outset, joe. Well, there are different kinds of impairment. One is Cognitive Impairment. There are other kinds too and there is a lot of discussion of various kinds of impairment around Rudy Giuliani that came out of reporting from what people inside the trump world thought about rudy in those in that time frame. But ill say, you know, he worked his way back into good graces in the administration because he has always been the most loyal, the most willing to make the most ridiculous arguments on trumps bee half. Even though he would mock him as a baby, rudy, youre a baby. Stop being such a baby. He is still stuck with him because rudy defended him after access hollywood when others like Chris Christie wouldnt. In the korgs course of the administration, he is someone that trump turns to because rudy will go out and read the script. What is the campaign trying to do to revive the fortunes right now . If you look at the ads theyre running in battleground states below the radar, it is still the case. These Cognitive Impairment ads, the ads suggesting that joe biden is see nilcrazy and not u being president is a huge part of the campaign right now, especially in spanish ads and radio and television. Theyre trying to keep this below the radar. That is rudy reeding the script on how thoeyre going to beat je biden. He is getting orders from the top. Theyre still very much committed to this track of attack on joe biden. And mike barnicle, again, its ridiculous because donald trump and his clips sort of far more disturbing than joe bidens. But you still see the desperation. Trying to cling to anything they can cling to to try to keep this race close. But the guy even Drinking Water or walking down a ramp is becomes a National Story because it seems so bizarre. You know, i do have to say in rudys defense, you and me are usually slumped over our chair at 6 00 but thats our bedtime. We had our crackers and milk and time to go to bed. Yeah. Absolutely. You know, joe, a couple things are hard to believe about this segment that we started with Rudy Giuliani. One thing that is hard to believe is that this man was so incredibly strong, skillful and filled with the leadership gene after september 11th. This is the same guy. Rapid decline. Rapid decline. Clearly, visibly, we can see it for the past two or three years. The other thing that is even harder to believe is this focus on, you know, is joe wall there upstairs . Is he speaking properly . Can he speak properly . It shows a complete ignorance of the facts of every americans daily life today. 50,000 new cases yesterday. 50,000 new infections. As dr. Fauci pointed out a few days ago in testimony before the senate, maybe heading toward 100,000 infections. Millions of people getting unemployment checks that are about to run out number real solid plan. No real solid leadership from the white house about what to do about the coronavirus nationally. What to do . Follow me kind of leadership. Topped off by the fact that russians are paying bounties to the taliban to kill american soldiers and you hear nothing, nothing from the president of the United States. Incredible. Its incredible. Erin haines is also us with, editor at large for the 19th, a nonprofit newsroom focused on the issue of women, politics, and policy. Good to have you back, erin. Well start with this though. Given the questions that mike just raised, new cases of coronavirus continue to skyrocket across the country. The country setting a single day case record for the fifth time in the past eight days. And this time topping 50,000 new cases in a single day for the first time yesterday. That comes just a week after topping 40,000 for the first time. Among the states with the highest number of new cases, california, texas, arizona, North Carolina, and georgia all reported record daily totals. On the same day the president said this i think that at some point thats going to sort of just disappear. I hope. You still believe so . I do. So where have we heard that before . Looks like by april, you know, in theory when it gets a little warmer, miraculously goes away. I hope thats true. Its going to disappear. One day its like a miracle, it will disappear. You have to be calm. This is going to go away. This is going to go away. I think well be very good with the coronavirus. I think that at some point its going to just sort of just disappear. I hope. You still believe so . Disappear . I do. I do. That was from the recount. You look back at the string of those beginning on february 10th, perhaps if you were being charitable you could say he was being naive. But on july 1st, knowing everything we know, seeing everything weve seen over last four months and seeing whats in front of us right now with Record Number of cases single day in this country and new states, not new york, where were focused at the beginning but new states now seeing their own crisis the way new york saw it a couple of months ago, it is staggering to hear the president of the United States stand with a straight face and say its going to disappear. Yeah. Think about just this closes the loop on the conversation we were just having. Joe and mike both pointed out its a little rich coming from the president s campaign to joe biden is cognitively impaired. Especially if if you watch him in that event he did on tuesday from wilmington where he seemed perfectly coherent and 100 times more coherent than donald trump. You look at that clip yesterday which as you as we showed over time in the video that donald trump has been living in fantasy land and never, never land in diluted, you could see in a demented place since january. At the end of the clip when the fox News Reporter who is incredulous when trump says, you really think i think its just going to go away and disappear. The president said do you really still think that . And trump says, yeah, sure. Right . Yeah, sure. I find that the most staggering thing in that clip. Its not only the clip reflective of a kind of disconnection from reality from the daily experience of americans, from the data in front of us every day from 50,000 new cases all the rest of it but yeah, sure, has a flip casual off the cuff disregard for the kind of pain the country is going through right now. And if you want to talk about something that demonstrates Cognitive Impairment, thats the kind of thing and this string of the denial is a fantasy land, never, never land that, is a thing that suggests someone that is totally out of touch with reality. I think that is ultimately what is driving the sense in the country that so staggering, the pugh numbers yesterday about, you know, 71 of the country is angry and 66 of the country is fearful. Why . Thats why. Donald trumps why. Yeah. And can i ask you, John Heilemann really quickly, its been talked about before. We started to see republicans breakaway suddenly, certainly on masks and other issues as well. Is there a plan for republicans . Were starting to hear of a plan of republicans by labor day if these numbers havent turned around to basically come together and say were on our own . Were going to have to run without him because if we run with him, hes taking the whole ship down with him . Yeah, its my sense that its further advanced than people know. We talked about karl rove and the conversation thats karls been having with others in the senate. They see the writing on the wall up there. And you talk about tom tilleson in the 6 00 a. M. , you look at the comparison of marge why mcsally and corey gardiner, you know, up in montana danes and Susan Collins in maine. And there are other places, right . But those are the key races where the senate is now not just in jeopardy but id say the democrats are now the favorite to take back the senate and those republicans all the way up to the top of leadership recognize that donald trump not only doesnt have coattails but reverse coattails in those states. And so i think the planning is pretty far advanced where people continue to think that they want to give trump at least a couple more months. I think its its a good idea or not. They want to let him get through the republican convention. Let the democrats get through their convention. There is still some dim hope that republicans will hold a better convention than democrats and maybe trump will right the ship by labor day. If you get through that convention and were in the place were in now in terms of the data, you will see an organized, orchestrated decision on the part of republicans in the senate who are running for reelection to essentially write the president off and go their own way and try to save themselves. Well, another new poll shows a vast majority of americans believe the country is headed in the wrong direction according to Monmouth University poll. 18 of americans say the country is on the right track. Down three points since easterly june. 74 says itsen on t on the wro track. Erin haines this is the fourth poll in the past couple days showing how concerned americans are about the direction of the country. As it pertains especially to trumps base, is it possible that they were willing to go with him through many lies that he put out there but this one, coronavirus, this one applies to them. And they can see it and feel it. And perhaps this could be the final straw . Good morning. Youre right. This is not the climate in 2016 when the president s voters were willing to overlook racism, made allegations of Sexual Harassment or assault or his rhetoric on twitter. They were willing to overlook those things because of his message on the economy. And that he was seen as somebody that was going to be a fighter for them. Three out of four americans thinking that this country is on the wrong track as we head into independence day, celebrating our country, a moment when we think about what it means to be a patriot, what it means to be a citizen and how we participate in this democracy. I mean, im in philadelphia where the constitution was signed and were not going to have fireworks this year because that would potentially be seen as a super spreader event. I think that the pandemic is on americans minds and the president s response to this pandemic especially in those ten states that you showed where the surge is happening, it has to be on the minds of people who are being personally affected by the president seeming disconnected on the realities and frankly his message that this will disappear. I remember the last holiday he said this pandemic was supposed to be gone is around easter. The here we are headed into another holiday where he is sending the same message that really is not the realitiy on te ground for millions of americans today. Mike, this remains one of the great mysteries to me. And we talked about cognitive decline in Rudy Giuliani or joe biden or donald trump. I want to hear what people say after donald trump leaves office. And figure out whats going on the past six months inside the white house. Because this president has known that as he continues to talk about this virus magically going away and while hes been denying his denying reality, the number of infections and the number of deaths are going to go up. And his Approval Ratings are going to go down. Like this had has been happening for six months. And so its just beyond fascinating to me that he continues doing the very things that he knows will drive the poll numbers into the ground. The denial, talking about how this is going to magically go away. Look at the numbers that just came out yesterday that show again that he keeps repeating the same thing on race and he keeps repeating the same thing on the pandemic. Disastrous results. Hes down 7 points in arizona. A state that Trump Campaign was sure they had in the bag six months ago. Along with new mexico. They were. [ ing they were bragging he was going to win new mexico. Arizona is slipping away more every day. Florida, donald trump losing by five points in michigan. Losing by five points and in North Carolina he is losing North Carolina. A republican state by seven points. We showed you tom tillis getting pounded by ten points in that senate race. Pennsylvania, a six point spr d spread. Wisconsin, an eight point spread right now. These polls arent outliars. These polls are a reflection of what weve been seeing for the past several weeks. The stunning thing is even with everybody around him knowing that the denial of this pandemic script on america is causing him to bleed out politically support, he continues to do the same thing every day and his numbers continue to go down. I, i, i cant explain it. Maybe you can. Well, ill try. I dont think i can. One thing is for certain. He is a man apart from reality. He lives in a world constructed by his own sense of delusion. And the danger, and John Heilemann got to it, the danger is that we now hear stories about Mitch Mcconnell, john thune, other republicans in the United States senate talking about getting together around labor day and running apart from donald trump because the numbers will be gone on him. Thats too late. And john also said that the handwriting on the wall, or perhaps you said it, the handwriting on their wall has to do with their futures, their political futures, mcconnell, thune, any republican running for reelection this fall. But the word on the wall that ought to be there is america. And thats what theyre not thinking about. The Republican Senate specifically the Republican Senate with the safety, the comfort of six year terms know what is going on at 1600 pennsylvania avenue. They know there is no leadership there. The russia thing is the latest a series of disasters in terms of leadership. Theyre blaming the briefer, the cia briefer. And they also hooked on to the cia briefer and blamed the briefer for not coming clean on coronavirus and briefing the president in january. I spoke to three people yesterday, senior people who used to be at the cia in langley. The briefer has 30 years experience. The briefer who briefs donald trump is one of the most respected people in langley. Theyre now blaming the briefer for not really telling the president that the russians were paying the taliban to kill american soldiers. The senate knows this. Specific senators know this. Yeah. And this is one of the many low points for the Republican Senate to sit back quietly and not speak out and not demand answers when Vladimir Putin puts a bounty on the head of american soldiers and they know it. They have seen the intelligence. They know it is true. And, yet, they allow the commander in chief not only to continue to lie about that but to not do anything about it. To not confront Vladimir Putin. Hes accusing the cia and the Intelligence Community of promoting fake news. Once again, once again ignoring american professionals and the Intelligence Community that would require him to speak out to Vladimir Putin. Now weve known this has been happening since helsinki. We know it happened on our show in december of 2015 when he talked about how much he admired Vladimir Putin than obama. I said wait a second, putin assassinates journalists and kills political enemies. Donald trump even then had to defend putin by saying well we kill a lot of people too. This has been going on for five years. So thats not a shock that he will throw america overboard as he has for five years any chance he gets if it means that he has to do that to defend putin. The continuing surprise here is that Republican Senate is more loyal to a man who is loyal to an exkgb agent than they are loyal to keeping safe our men and women in uniform in afghanistan. I do hope, i so hope for our soldiers and sailors and marines and airmen and their families. The families, mothers, fathers, for their husbands and wives and children, i so hope that these senators find a moral compass soon and start speaking out aggressively and get to the bottom of this. Ensure that commander in chief condemned putin and russia in the strict toughest terms possible. And if he doesnt do it, then to put even more sanctions on russia until the president is forced to do something. Thats unbelievable. Erin, i want to talk to you about an l. A. Times article brought up earlier. Weve been talking about how Donald Trumps been denying reality and coronavirus and how hes been out of step on an 80 20 issue. He keeps going with 20 of americans instead of 80 of americans that support the marches, that support this Civil Rights Movement in 2020. And here is an example that he brought up this morning. President trump suggested that saying black lives matter on new york citys fifth avenue would amount to a symbol of hate, complaining that it would be denigrating to that luxury avenue. That came shortly after a threat by the president , a veto. The pentagons budget legislation because it had a measure that took the names of confederate generals off of military bases. That came shortly after the president s declaration that he may end a fall housing regulation aimed at desegregating neighborhoods which he claimed had a devastating impact on suburbs. Talking as if this were 1962 instead of 2020. That came after he retweeted a video of supporters in an entirely almost all white Florida Community shouting white power. Not only is it racist but it is also, erin, it is politically disastrous for this president when 80 of americans are against him. Those white suburban voters that were turned off by charlottesville are going to be driven even further away from him. Those republicans that left the party because of his racial insensitivities, higher educated people that weve seen in numbers go away in droves for this kind of talk are just pulled even further away from him. And, yet, this race baiting continues by the president of the United States. Well, yes, joe. Weve seen this lead to your point. The president retweeting about a message you hear somebody talking about white power, black lives matter is a Domestic Terrorism Organization and, you know, that would be a hate crime basically to put black lives matter on fifth avenue in front of his building. The i dont know how that would qualify as a hate crime. But this kind of rhetoric on going, like you said, since the president was a candidate coming down the escalator in trump tower five years ago last month. Even as in 2020 you have states like mississippi getting rid of the confederate flag, something that a lot of people didnt think they would see in their lifetime. That is happening amid this national wre national reckonning on race. Were in the midst of a pandemic around coronavirus and racism. And on both of these pandemics, the president is out of step with much of the rest country in terms of response and reaction and realities that are on the ground for millions of americans. And so, you know, i think that continuing to go to this racial playbook which is something that did help him to a certain extent get elected in 2016, did help him again in 2018. A lot of these old fights hes trying to have are happening in a new day. I dont know how effective that is going to be headed into november. All right. Still ahead on morning joe, a majority of americans think the country is on the wrong track. Plus, polling that shows the president slipping among one of the strongest voting groups. Bill kristol and the legendary James Carville join the conversation. Youre watching morning joe. Well be right back. Be right ba. Be right ba. 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Get a powerful and reliable internet and voice solution for only 29. 95 a month for three months. Call or go online today. Were now having 40,000 plus cases a day. If you look at whats going on of people not avoiding crowds the governor told fox news we wont be social distancing i wouldnt be surprised if we go up to 100,000 a day so im very concerned. Who would be stupid enough to brag about not socially distancing. I dont know. Who is that stupid. Parentally unbelievable. That new video is out from the Group Republican voters against trump. And these videos are just becoming too easy to make. The group is also spending 10 million in swing states to air ads that feature testimonials from trump voters who now want to elect biden. Joining us now, one of strategists behind the group of the conservative website, bill kristol. Also with us, democratic strategist and cohost of the 2020 political war room podcast, James Carville. Good to have you both. Beautiful kitchen, james. So ill start with bill kristol though. Bill, the ads. I mean, trump writes them and his followers who dont want to do basic science and keep americans safe, they write these ads too. Yeah, but the key thing is to get the people that supported him in 2016 to not support him this time. I think what we tried to do is get regular voters to send in their little testimonials about why theyre not doing it. They do Research Showing that voters saw people more like themselves explaining why they change their mind and people like me screaming and yelling at them saying theyre wrong all along. We need to give people permission to change their mind. Thats been our effort as Republican Voters against trump. I think we have had some success if you look at the polls. There is some Movement Among republican leaning independents and skeptical republicans away from trump. But, you know, your discussion earlier which is so interesting about trumps likely going to lose if we have free and Fair Election. In which everyone can vote safely and securely. But thats no the so obvious. Are we confident that trump wont use the executive branch in september and october in ways to try the director of National Intelligence, september 15th, terrible report he produced on joe biden. Ukraine. Remember ukraine . What was that about . That was about getting dirt on joe biden. Why did it fail . Because fee owna hill and john bolton was there. Are any of them there now . No. Are there constraints in place on the Intelligence Community and Justice Department . I mean there are good people there who hopefully will prevent trump from using the executive powers to really distort the election. Thats what worries me also very much. And thats where, again, one thing that prevents that, congress. But look at the Republican Senate. Thats why its so shameful. Its so shameful that theyre not being serious about checking trump now as opposed to thinking about, gee, maybe in september well separate ourselves. He could really distort and prevent genuinely free and Fair Election in this country by his use of the authorities of the executive power, the executive branch of government which weve seen him willing to try to do. James, its willie. Good to see you. I still youre basking in that National Championship and if things keep going the way we are we dont get a season. You may be champs for two seasons here down in baton rouge. We could be National Champions for two years. You might hold on to that title for a while. So we have not talked to you in a while, james. Im interested in your view of where things are right now. For joe biden, for donald trump. Joe biden consistently now showed double digit leads nationally. Hes leading in most of the battleground states. The you have republican senators, incumbents on the run trying to hold on to their seats. Wrong track numbers. 75 of americans say were on the wrong track. Coronavirus on fire in states across the country. The movement that weve seen in at the streets right now and, yet, you have democrats i think probably because they felt burned by 2016 saying, hey, we still have four months until election day. Im not counting any chickens yet. Where do you think this president ial race is right now as a man whos run a couple of them . Well, i agree with Joe Scarborough and the first two people to say. That i think there is a significant chance he doesnt run. I mean, this thing is going so poorly. Hes so far back. It doesnt even to me, it doesnt make much sense for him to run. This is the great moscow mitch strategy. After labor day, were going to turn on him. Thats really going to work. Mcsally and sullivan and lindsey have been licking his boots for three years and nine months. But boy come labor day, were going to get some separation. The chances of that working are zero. He is going to take the whole outfit down with him. Bill and his group will spend tens of millions of dollars and meet cleaver weaver at the lincoln project. Im part of a group of american people, we spend 75 million in 77 rural counties. He has no idea of what hes getting ready to get hit with. There are a lot more patriots in this country than he ever thought. And people are just outraged and theyre coming together and they dont care if their republican, democrat, liberal, conservative. There is just a wonderful thing to see the way certain creative energetic people in this country are coming together to extract this menace from the body politic. We have John Heilemann with us. He has a question. John . James, there are a couple things i want to focus on with you. You and i are in the same place in terms of analysis of where things are right now. But im watching trump ads about biden and the crime bill. Im watching trump ads about bidens cognitive state. And im certainly watching the Trump Campaign gearing up for an all out assault on mail in voting over the course of the next few months. And i ask you this. If you and joe fit turif it turn out that he doesnt drop out which i think we all acknowledge is maybe something that could happen but not the likeliest of scenarios, go through what you think the Voter Suppression campaign in terms of trying to drive democratic turnout down in key constituencies and trying to blunt mail in voting. What are you worried about . The dirty tricks . The negative stuff that campaign can try to do between now and november to do what bill kristol suggested a minute ago which is to try to pervert this election and make it not a free and Fair Election . Lets say one state, georgia. The state of my birth. All right . Worked on campaigns there. They cant conduct a Fair Election. You know what georgia has . They have a lot of corporations. You go to georgia legislature, there are delta air heinlines, god knows what. You corporate people get down there tell that secretary of state that we want our employees vote to be counted. I like coke, i can drink pepsi. I can fly on american airlines. The entire structure of the state of georgia is designed to stop people from voting. And the only people that are going to change this are these big companies, the universities and, you know, people can go to these five star recruits, they can go to albany. Theyll be blglad to go there. Theyll be glad to go over there and pick your pocket. But if you cant conduct a Fair Election and you have all the lobbyists and you dont have people coming in there bringing heat, then people are going to be mad. And theyre going to find out what is going on. So i mean stacy abrams is doing a good job down there. But people need to bring heat on the georgia secretary of state and this georgia governor and say let our people vote. Just let people vote. You can vote for who you want to. Where are these companies . Where is Georgia Power . They got a part of a whole deal. You got to get up. Somebody better get on the stick in that state and just tell these people we want to let people vote. This idea of having two Voting Machines every 1,000 people and having 200 Voting Machines every 500 people in northwest georgia, they have to stop this. They have to stop it now. Get on the stick, georgia. Move zbl zbl well, mike, watching the patterns of President Trumps behavior and ig dig nation of how he is being treated every day, it does make you wonder if everything is being done to shore up the elections. Everything is not being done to shore up the elections. Its not just georgia as james pointed out. Bill kristol, my sense of it is, you talk to enough people around this country and theyre not going to have to count the votes this november. Theyre going to have to weigh them. People cant wait for november to get here. So what do we do in addition to the things that james just pointed out . The very real threat of Voter Suppression, especially with vote by mail in various states . Where are the republican senators in all of this . Again, thats another topic. We hear nothing from them. I think james is right about the corporations. Theyre working to get corporations to put pressure on at the state level f youre head quartered in atlanta, you should not be proud to be head quartered in a state that is not capable of conducting free and Fair Elections. And you should call Mitch Mcconnell if youre a big donor to the Republican Party and say, look, we support you on taxes and all these other things but you have to help the states run a real election that doesnt call into question democratic legitimacy. Ive been in a couple of scenarios. He is president. Having control of the Justice Department, having control of intelligence agencies, again, not everyone in those places, not the huge majority of them are corrupt. But at the top, they got rid of a lot of the roadblocks, guardrails. And could he, as i say, ukraine work today . Could some country discover, hey, joe biden is corrupt and suddenly director of National Intelligence says this could be true. Its no the just a rumor. Its not just Rudy Giuliani running around. I mean what do you think of john bolton . He said we cant participate in this drug deal. Then there was a whistleblower. They went to the Inspector General. And the Inspector General goes to congress. There arent that many independent Inspector Generals anymore. Thats where i think the democratic house, pelosi and others can play a huge role in oversight where people in the government need to be serious. People need to have serious conversations, not letting the president turn this into a third world state theyre used as personal tools for election. I think we can do a lot to stop. This got news is the voters are turning and the republicans are turning and republican senators are total lagging indicator. I tote ally agree with james. The idea they can pivot in november is ludicrous. Im reasonably optimistic. I think we need to be worries because he remains president. Bill kristol and James Carville, thank you both for being on this morning and haines, before you go, final thoughts on the voting process and how we can be pro active rather than reactive . Well, i think that you already seen voters being pro active in some of the primary thats have happened in the midst of the pandemic. We had record turnout in wisconsin, pennsylvania where people did have masks and had had to stand in long lines but were determined to participate in this democracy. You know, they really shouldnt have to worry about balancing their Public Health against the health of our democracy headed into november. Listen, were having a conversation about citizens ability to vote safely and the threat of Voter Suppression while the president is raising the specter of voteer fraud and rigged elections. Again that, is a message that reflects a disconnect. Voters are concerned about voting safely. I would just say especially in this year as we prepare to celebrate the 100th anniversary of women, the majority of the le electorate having access to the ballot. For the majority of the electorate to have a harder time voting in a year theyre supposed to be celebrating their right to vote is just really the kind of thing that is all going to be on voters minds headed into november and just Voter Suppression is not american. It should not be a partisan issue. 100 . Erin haines, thank you very much, very much. John heilemann, thank you as well. Coming up, the u. S. Breaks the record for new cases of coronavirus in a single day again. Well talk to former fda commissioner Scott Gottlieb about that and the promising results from early stage Human Vaccine trials. Morning joe is back in one minute. Orning joe is back in oe minute joining us now, former fda commissioner dr. Scott gottlieb. Dr. Gottlieb, a lot of questions for you this morning. First of all, where do we stand in terms of coronavirus . Still in the first wave. Where are we headed . The president says that he hopes that it will just go away. Well, look, we have an accelerating epidemic in the south, florida, texas, georgia, south carolina, arizona, california showing acceleration number south carolina, arizona, showing an accelerating number of cases. This is going to continue. Its going to get worse before it gets better. And the states so far havent taken aggressive enough action that youre going to see a dramatic reversal. So what its going the take is a collective action of individuals being more vigilant, Wearing Masks when they go out, reducing their social activities, limiting their social circles because absent a really strong policy intervention, which i dont think were going to get, were dependent upon the collection of individuals to lower their risk and that ultimately can slow the spread. But it will take time for those actions to flow through. Doctors, you say the states arent being aggressive enough. What should they be doing . Well, theyre not going to shut down. Its going to be difficult for them to shut down. Wee now experiencing this resurgence on the backs of a more difficult economy. The first time we went into this economy, we were strong, we were able to shut down economic activity. I think they should be focussing on congregant settings indoors that are Entertainment Venues and shut those down. I dont think we should be opening bars and theaters, indoor restaurants in a setting like this when we know theres settings that can spread viciously. Nursing homes, settings like meat packing plants, warehouses where people cant socially distance, we need to focus resources on that. Finally, we should be trying to draw in the collective action of individuals. Universal masking, its the simplest thing we can do. That is the least intrusive thing we can do in peoples lives and trying to encourage people to limit social interactions and just practice good behaviors. If they do that on a wide scale, that can affect the contours of this epidemic but it needs to be followed consistently and it isnt really right now. Some pediatric experts are pushing for schools to open and for kids to go to school. Is there an argument to be made . And im not sure, should they be Wearing Masks that kids return to school because thats better for their health . And the way they contract the virus is different from the way perhaps older people do . And is there an economic model for opening schools first and then businesses . Look, i think we should be trying to open the schools. I think we should have thought about this two months ago when we reopened certain businesses. Our focus should have been on trying to get the schools open and do what we can to reopen the schools. If we had that focus, we might have made different decisions about opening bars early. Kids are less susceptible to the virus based on the data we have and they dont experience as severe symptoms. So theyre less likely to get into trouble with the virus. But that doesnt mean theyre impervious to the virus and we know they can transmit it. And weve seen outbreaks in schools. So i think the bottom line is, where you have these settings, i think local schoolboards are going on be hard pressed to open the schools. Even if we want to do it, i think parents on the schoolboards and local officials are going to have a difficult time ohming schools against that back drop because we know the schools can be settings of outbreaks. People dont want to see outbreaks in School Settings and we know the kids can be a conduit of spread even if theyre less likely to spread the virus. Theyre not impervious to it. So the view that the kids cant get it and cant spread it, that is far less true. They seem less likely to get the virus and they seem less likely to spread it, but they can be susceptible. Doctor, you said the numbers are up, he, poe exponential numbers in some states. Yet were hearing in the media that the number of deaths are down. Is this because there are younger americans getting this disease or because theres a lag time and were not going to go the impact of these infections for two, three or four weeks . Its both of those things. Right now, the virus is concentrated in a younger population that is less susceptible. But there is a lag time. So you look at what happened for example in iran where they had an epidemic, a very bad, they brought the numbers down and brought it back up. And then a full three or four weeks later, they saw the death statistics start to go up. We are preserving more life and we shouldnt lose sight of that. The case mortality rate are going to go down because theres better approaches to care and some better drugs and treatment. So the death rate is prog probably going to go down, but the number of deaths is going to go up tragically. As we have more hospitalizations, death is a lagging indicator. Time to death for someone who does succumb to this from the initial point of hospitalization is about 14 days. So as these hospitalization numbers go up, we are going to see more people succumb to the virus and i think the number of deaths per day is probably going to creep back up above 1,000. So we should separate the number of deaths from the death rate. The case mortality rate is probably coming down. We are preserving more life on a proportional basis when you look across, for example, age cohorts or people who are similarly matched in terms of their health. But the total number of deaths is going to go up, nonetheless, because so many people are infected right now and eventually it will seep out of a younger population into an older cohort. Dr. Gottlieb, we heard yesterday from the white house as the country set a new record more than 50,000 reported daily cases that the reason youre seeing these big numbers across so many states is because the country is doing a better job of testing. And weve heard the president s logic that if you stop testing, we wouldnt have as many cases. Is there any truth again, because we hear it constantly from the white house, that what youre actually seeing is a better job being done on testing and not necessarily more cases in the country . What do you make of that argument . Well, we are diagnosing more cases. At the height of the epidemic in new york, we were probably diagnosing one in 20 cases. Now its probably 1 in 10. But were still under testing because the Positivity Rate is going up. So the fact that the percent of the tests that are positive is going up is an indication this isnt just a phenomenon of more testing. This is a phenomenon of more virus. So we might be capturing a higher percentage of the cases, but we have more cases. So were probably diagnosing one in ten cases right now so the 50,000 infections that were diagnosing are probably more like 1 hurn,000 cases a day are occurring around the country. 20 of those are asymptomatic. So there are maybe 20,000 to 30,000 people who have symptoms who are new cases on daily basis and were diagnosing about 50,000 of them. Dr. Scott gottlieb, thank you very much for joining us this morning. Still ahead, were awaiting some important figures that will offer insight into how the u. S. Economy is doing amid the coronavirus pandemic. June Employment Data and the weekly jobless claims report will both be released this morning. Well have the numbers for you when they cross. Have the numberu when they cross. This is my new shaqaroni pizza. Extra cheese, extra pepperoni right to the edge and the biggest slices in papa johns history. But its bigger than pizza because 1 from each sale is donated to support communities. Because 1 from each sale is donated bbut what if you couldg do better than that . Like adapt. Discover. Deliver, in new ways, to new customers. What if you could come back stronger . Faster. Better. At comcast business, we want to help you not just bounce back, but bounce forward. And now, with one of our best offers ever, were committed to helping you do just that. Get a powerful and reliable internet and voice solution for only 29. 95 a month for three months. Call or go online today. Know, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away. I hope thats true. Its going to disappear. One day, its like a miracle. It will disappear. You have to be calm. It will go away. This is going to go away and i think were going to be very good with the coronavirus. I think that at some point thats going to sort of just disappear, i hope. You still believe so . Well, i do, i do, yeah, sure. That last one from the president yesterday. On the same day the u. S. Had a single day coronavirus case record for the fifth time in the past eight days. Good morning. Welcome to morning joe. It is thursday, july 2nd. Along with joe, willie and me, we have White House Reporter for the Associated Press jonathan lamere. So new cases of coronavirus continue to skyrocket across the country. The country is setting a single day case record for the fifth time you in the past eight days and this time topping 50,000 new cases in a single day for the first time yesterday. That comes a week after topping 40,000 for the first time. Among the states with the highest number of new cases, california, texas, arizona, North Carolina and georgia all reported record daily totals. Were going to be showing you in just a minute polls from the states. Many of these states just a few months ago considered to be safe states for donald trump no longer. Youll see some senate races of republican incumbents who are getting absolutely thrashed in the polls. And the reason why, well, theres so many reasons why. But they continue to stand next to donald trump and support him, even as he keeps talking about a virus magically going away while theyre having spikes in their own states. President trump blames increased testing for the surge, but data showcases are also rising in places where testing has decreased. At the end of february when the u. S. Was investigating its first few cases, the president said the virus would, quote, disappear, like a miracle. Were now at nearly 2. 7 million cases. And more than 129,000 deaths. And the president is still saying the same thing. I think that at some point thats going to sort of just disappear, i help. You still believe so, disappear well, i do. You just have to think that was months ago. It wasnt. It was yesterday. I saw it yesterday and i asked, wait, is this back in february . Because, again, were setting new records every single day. And we heard it say it in january, february, march, and there was one person going away. 15 people going to completely go away soon. Said he was doing a great job. Why dont we go through the list of just some of the things that he said . On february 10th, he said this. Looks like by april, you know, in theory, when it gets a little warmer, it miraculously goes away. On february 27th, he said this. Its going to disappear. One day, its like a miracle. It will disappear. March 6th, quote, you have to be calm, okay. You have to be calm, he said. It will go away. April 29th, its going to go away. This is going to go away. June 15th, at some point, this stuff goes away and its going away. June 17th, its fading away. Its going to fade away. June 18th, and its dieing out, the numbers are starting to get very good. And then yesterday, as we just heard, he said at some point thats going to sort of just disappear, i hope, with 130,000 americans dead. And more dieing. Well, yeah. And well willie, this has been an ongoing thing. We talked about it in march. We would quote what he said in january and february. He said he needed to wake up, he needed to get serious about this. He kept telling people that we had nothing to worry about. One person coming in from china going to go away. 15 people coming in. Pretty soon, that infection number will be down to zero, so were doing a really great job on it. But it continued as 10,000 died, 30,000 died, 50,000 died. We passed that threshold not so long ago where more people died in the vietnam war over a decade than died from the coronavirus, which the president said was going to go away. Were now at a point where twice as many people have died of this pandemic, which the president claimed was going to magically go away and it was one person coming in from china than died in the vietnam war. We had more people die from the coronavirus than died in combat deaths in world war i. World war were talking about world wars. And the president still is saying its going away. On june the 18th withi, its di. Again, this is when historians look back, theyre not going to have any question as to why Donald Trumps poll numbers collapsed the way that they did. We kept saying a million times on this show, take care of the Health Care Crisis and youll take care of the economic crisis. And when you take care of the economic crisis, then youll take care of your own political crisis so its in your best interest, in the countrys best interest for you to do the right thing. He just hasnt been able to do it. His year of magical thinking continues and even continued yesterday with his breaking the record for the fifth time in eight days for the most infections with 130,000 americans dead from this disease that he said would go away and not kill anybody. This is where we now yeah. The president and the white house and its having a devastating impact on the president s poll numbers, on republicans poll numbers and, of course, more importantly, on americans health. Yeah. The only strategy the president has had over the last four months is to wish this away. To wish away a pandemic by way of miracle. Well, that strategy hasnt worked very well. And i thought the same thing as i listened to that yesterday. I thought, boy, is it july 1st and were still wishing for a miracle and hoping this will go away . We heard yesterday from White House Press secretary mcnaney who said we are aware there are some embers that need to be put out. That suggests the fire has been put out and there are a few embers on the ground that need to be put out. Those embers are a National Record for the fifth time in eight days of cases in this country. Theyre not embers. There are hospitals being overwhelmed because its been put down somewhat in new york. That doesnt mean its good in houston or los angeles or miami or in tennessee or in arizona or in georgia and North Carolina. All these states that are setting records, these are not embers. The fire is roaring in these states. So miracles, we said many, many months ago and we can pull up the tape, we said the country just cant afford to listen to Donald Trumps hunches any more. We need to listen to doctors who have a strategy. What the doctors told us this week, dr. Fauci saying we could be up to 100,000 cases a day here if were not careful, if we dont mask, if we dont take this seriously. The president showed yesterday that hes in the taking it seriously, hes still wishing for a miracle. Still wishing for a miracle and we can go back, i think it was in april, where the president was saying this is going to be gone by fall. Its going to look nothing like this by fall and dr. Fauci had to go up right after that and said no, were going to have a second wave and it is going to come back in the fall. And, you know, mika, what were experiencing right now, these Record Numbers of infections every day, this isnt a second wave. This is still part of the first wave. The second wave dr. Fauci said comes in the fall. But the president s Wishful Thinking, again, i mean, we can look at june the 1st. It was a devastating day for the president politically. Devastating day for a lot of sycophants who followed him in uniform. Some selfcorrected themselves. But this is gutting his poll numbers. This is gutting his support. And we saw it with a spate of polls that came out yesterday. And well pick it up right there in this next block with the new poll numbers from key battlegrounds and nationwide. Youre watching morning joe. Well be right back. Tionwide youre watching morning joe. Well be right back. Helps you redefine whats possible. Now. 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Up 6 in pennsylvania, 50 to 44. And just bringing in, joe, coronavirus numbers and lets keep this up for a second. Yeah, but bringing in coronavirus numbers, there are a lot of folks on the local level and in the National Media watching the coronavirus numbers in states like arizona, where trump held super spreader events and were coming up on two weeks in the next week. Also, the big rally in tulsa where we had 6,000 people squashed together. Those numbers are being watched by Health Officials because most doctors thought that was an extreme danger for the people that attended. And jonathan lamere, you look at these numbers. I remember you telling me sometime ago that the Trump White House was so concerned about michigan, that they were wondering about whether they were going to have to move on and go elsewhere. Let me give you three states, numbers coming out of three states that really underline how devastating this is for the president right now. Again, i put most of this back on his failed response to the pandemic and the continued Wishful Thinking. But arizona, a state that the Trump Campaign six months ago was confident they had in the bag, so confident that they bragged about winning new mexico, as well. Donald trump down 7 points to joe biden in arizona. Those numbers, its from everything ive heard, those numbers are going to solidify. Arizona is slipping out of his hands just like michigan. North carolina, a state that republicans have won every year except for when barack obama won it in 2008, North Carolina is plus seven in North Carolina. And wait until we show you the senate race in North Carolina. Show you just how horrific things have gotten for Donald Trumps Republican Party. And then the state that if tim russert were still with us, i would expect he would be talking about wisconsin, wisconsin, wisconsin. But this one is getting further and further apart. We saw another wisconsin poll last week that showed joe biden with a comfortable lead. This cnbc poll has joe biden plus 8. And i would ask you, as i have been asking you for the past two weeks, how donald trump can turn things around, how he can take a new tact on the pandemic, but we have him talking yesterday again about it magically going away. So, joe, the strategist from both parties and pollsters that ive been talking to in the last few days have all kind of come back with the same refrain and looking at these polls. This showed joe biden up significantly. In all the battleground states and even bigger in the National Polls which, of course, mean less. And the refrain has been if 2016 hadnt happened, we would be thinking that joe biden was on his way for a route. That everything is trending his direction. There doesnt seem to be any way for President Trump to reverse this slide. Were four months away. Were fought going to do that, of course. It is early july. We saw how things changed dramatically in the final weeks and months of the 2016 race. Donald trump has been proven to be a resilient politician. But hes in significant trouble. First on the biden camp, youre right, they feel theyre being quiet about it, but they feel extraordinarily good about arizona as a state, that they think they are primed to take that. The republicans are playing the defensive of. The president and his super pac, they have had to make ad bias in states like george, ohio, oklahoma is coming. These are very defensive moves here because theyre concerned about hes just bleeding support basically across the map. For so long, the analysis of this race thought the two tippel point states, the states who are going to decide who won this election, wisconsin and arizona, and right now joe biden has a significant lead for both. The president and his team are scrambling for answers. They thought with that oklahoma rally followed up by that event in phoenix, they start they would start having rallies and indicat cater to the base. There are no political events on the president s calendar right now and none announce youed. He is going mt. Rushmore for a fourth of july event, but there are no rallies on the schedule and theyre not sure how they can do one right now because theyre not sure theyre going to get enough people out. Nor are they sure theyre going to have enough optics in so many states across the country. As a final point, were seeing this difference. We are seeing republicans break with him masks. The president did say he liked the way he looked in masks. But hes not wearing them in public. But i think in the early months, some supporters were willing to forgive the handling of the pandemic. It came from china. We can dispute whether or not thats true, but that is the thought. But now this resurgence, not really second wave, but this second half of the first wave that comes after the president encouraged all these states to reopen sooner than they should, this is being put at his feet and his feet squarely. Up next, how the president s problems are impacting republican hopes of keeping control of the u. S. Senate. That conversation is straight ahead on morning joe. Rsation ahead on morning joe. The course structure the university of phoenix offers it just suits my life perfectly because i am a mom, im a wife. And i was able to complete those Short Courses five to six weeks and then move onto the next until i reached my goal. Welcome back. Were talking about the president s lagging poll numbers and the effect on republicans running for the senate. Gary peters has a 7 point advantage over republican john james in michigan. In arizona, former astronaut mark kelly is up 9 points against republican senator martha mcsally. And in North Carolina, democrat Cal Cunningham leads incumbent senator tom tillis by 10 points. You know, willie, again, lets just stick with North Carolina. This is a swing state that republicans usually win. It is not purple yet, more red than purple. Yet the president is down by 7. Tom tillis who has been having trouble, hes been in the low 30s for years as far as Approval Ratings go, tom tillis getting absolutely pounded in that North Carolina race. Republicans in big trouble in colorado, probably almost likely surely to lose the colorado seat. Steve bullock, probably the favorite to win that seat up there. You just go around the country. And, again, were not talking about what the president said over the past nine months. Were talking about what the president said yesterday. With all of this happening, you have donald trump talking about the coronavirus pandemic that is still 130,000 people magically going away. Still in july. Yeah. Its amazing. That tillis number down double digits as an incumbent, as a republican in the state of North Carolina. And you showed arizona, you talked about colorado, all of these states where were seeing this. There is a reason the sxwromajo leader in the senate in the last week or so has publicly begun to break with the president first on masks. Well see if he goes further than that. But we havent seen republicans do that up until now. Now in the last lets call ate month or so. Weve seen Senate Republicans come out critical of the president , breaking with the president on the way hes handling coronavirus, raising questions about this russia bounty store. It is clear to them that there are no coat tails at this point for donald trump. When you look at even right track wrong track numbers, 74 of americans, 74 of americans in the a new monmouth poll yesterday believe the country is on the wrong track. Right track numbers are down in the teens. These are smart politicians. They know which way the wind blows. They see what is happening to incumbents and states across the country. They know donald trump is leading them down a path towards defeat. 74, wrong track. You cant win on those numbers, plain and simple. And republicans know that and its showing up in these polls. Coming up, breaking news on the economy. The new jobs report is crossing in just a moment. Were going to have a full breakdown next on morning joe. Breaowkdn next on morning joe. Now is the time to support the places you love. Spend 10 dollars or more at a participating Small Business and get 5 dollars back, up to 10 times with american express. Enroll now at shopsmall. Com. Laso you can enjoy it even ifst youre sensitive. Se. Yet some say it isnt real milk. I guess those cows must actually be big dogs. Sit i said sit bbut what if you couldg do better than that . Like adapt. Discover. Deliver, in new ways, to new customers. What if you could come back stronger . Faster. Better. At comcast business, we want to help you not just bounce back, but bounce forward. And now, with one of our best offers ever, were committed to helping you do just that. Get a powerful and reliable internet and voice solution for only 29. 95 a month for three months. Call or go online today. Shooting victims in new york city have risen at an alarming 157 rate in june when compared to the same 28day period from last year. Overall, nypd stats show a dramatic increase in homicides and shootings in the first month of 2020 compared to the same period of time last year. The number of shooting victims is up nearly 52 . Homicides have risen 23 . Burglaries are up 46 . And car theft up nearly 61 . Murder, burglary and car thefts are all running at levels where they were. According to nypd commissioner dermitt shay, a perfect storm of covid19 shutdowns within the judicial system which have shunted indictments against the most dangerous illegal gun criminals, a breakdown in the citys social safety nets, which has prisoners being released from jail straight into homelessness and bail reform laws and case deferments have all hindered the nypds efforts to staunch the bleeding. The increase in reported crime comes as the nypds budget has been cut by approximately 1 billion and funds are shifted to social programs. Willie. Also Small Businesses seeking financial help amid the pandemic got help yesterday as the house unanimously passed the extension of the ppe, paycheck protection program. The Senate Passed the effort unanimously and President Trump is expected to sign the measure approved by both chambers. Right now, 130 billion worth of the 160 billion under the c. A. R. E. S. Act has been distributed. Now two big snapshots on the economy right now. First, the june jobs report. The Labor Department says the u. S. Economy added 4. 8 million jobs last month. Economists predicted 3 million. The Unemployment Rate declined from 13. 3 to 11. 1 . Joining us now, former treasury official and morning joe economic analyst steve ratner and former acting secretary of labor under president obama, seth harris. So, steve, i know youre absorbing these numbers as we are. 4. 8 million jobs added, unemployment down to 11 . Good news for the economy, at least from where we are, certainly. Sure. Theres no other way to look at this but as good news. And we all, of course, want good news. Economists have had a particularly difficult time in forecasting any numbers, including jobless numbers as we saw last month. They got a bit closer this month, but there were surprises to the upside. Getting the employment rate down to 11 is definitely better than any of us expected. I think the conventional forecast for the rest of this year social unemployment at or around double digits. So well have to see. Well have to see as we dig into these numbers what they actually mean. It is worth mentioning that these numbers are based on surveys that are taken in the middle of the month. In this case, in the middle of june. And since then, of course, theres been some changes going on in terms of the lockdowns and behavior and spending, which we can talk about. But for the moment, yes, we have to look at this as good news. Seth, what do you see in these numbers as steve points out rightly, projections are difficult right now, but nearly 5 million jobs added objectively, a great number. Yeah. Theres no question that this is a good number. But i fear that its not an indicator at all for where we are going. Remember, these data were collected, willie, three weeks ago before the gigantic surge in infections and hospitalizations that we are seeing in many of our large states. It was before california, texas, arizona began reclosing those states. So these are good numbers, but theyre not necessarily an in indication that were on a good trend line. Its almost important to remember that 11. 1 unemployment is a disastrously high number. Its 1. 1 higher than the Unemployment Rate we had during the great recession. Weve only recovered about a third of the jobs that we lost in april in march, april and may. One way to think about that is we had a 9 inch knife stuck in our back. The knife has been pulled out about thee inches. That doesnt mean the economy is now healthy. Steve, stand by. I want to get to you on where were headed with this, but lets bring in Stephanie Murphy of florida. Shes leading a bipartisan effort to expand the Employee Retention tax credit to help keep workers connected to their jobs during the pandemic. Congresswoman, thank you so much for being on the show this morning and how do you foresee your constituents as the country reacts to the coronavirus resurging . Great to be with you, mika. I think the unemployment numbers, i expect, will continue to fluctuate as states open and have to close and reopen over 1. 4 million American Workers lost their jobs last week. That number of job losses has been steady, right around a million jobs. And in a state like florida, when somebody loses their job, their ability to receive Unemployment Benefits is not certain. Weve had a system that has been rife with issues and so of the people who lose their jobs and file for unemployment, theyre not getting the help that they need. Thats why i think its so critically important that we keep workers tethered to their jobs and thats why im leading this effort to expand the Employee Retention tax credit, which basically was originally passed in the c. A. R. E. S. Package. So its almoready in law. It is a mechanism that we have used in the aftermath of other signal disasters like hurricane katrina. It allows us to help employers keep their employees on payroll and tethered to their Health Benefits, which in a pandemic is critically important. Right now, our efforts to expand it is one of the few bipartisan things that is coming out of congress. We passed it in the heros act out of the house. And now were looking to the senate to act because we know that if they can expand this tax credit, well be able to help 6. 1 Million Companies and 60 million workers stay tethered to their jobs and their Health Benefits in this crisis. Well, steve ratner, to this point, well look at the weekly jobless claims, the Labor Department says 1. 4 million americans filed for Unemployment Benefits last week. That brings the 15week total since the pandemic began to 48. 7 million. So, steve, how do we square these two numbers . The jobless claims keep going up. The unemployment numbers go down. Yeah. Mika, so the first number you mentioned, the 1. 42 million, that is those are the number of people who filed for initial jobless claims. And as the congresswoman said, there are people losing their jobs all the time. 1. 4 million is more than twice the previous record. It is way above anything normal. So there is still a lot of job loss going on in this economy. The 42 or 3 million number is the total number of piemt who lost their jobs in the course of this. But many of those have then got their jobs back. So there are people we have to not forget that there are people getting their jobs back, even as others are losing theirs. So when you net all that out, you get to the current figure of something over 20 million americans who are still out of work and looking for jobs. But i would also say that there are many the way we report unemployment numbers, its only people who are out there actively looking for jobs. It doesnt include people who are working parttime who want to work full time. It doesnt include people who are not looking for jobs, but would like a job if there were one. And i havent seen the newest numbers for those, but when you add all those numbers together, at least last month, it was well over 20 of americans who were not working at the jobs they wanted to be working at. Its good news that americans got jobs back, but its in the face of the terrible job loss numbers previously and these are numbers before states began shutting down again. What are you hearing from your constituents about, obviously, they want to go back to work. Obviously they want their livelihoods back. They want security. But how do they balance that with Public Health and the health of their own families . You know wi, i am hearing incredible amounts of uncertainty and fear from my constituents. We live in a stated where our economy is heavily dependent on high touch industries, like tourism. And those industries are going to have a much longer, you know, runway to recovering to numbers that they had before. And, unfortunately, in florida, we are suffering not only from an economic crisis and a Health Care Crisis, but also a crisis in governance. Tallahassee has just lacked the leadership that we needed as a state to safely reopen. They reopened without any real guidelines that aligned with Public Health officials recommendations. We still dont have a mask and social distancing requirement coming out of tallahassee. So weve had to rely on our elected officials to make sure people can reopen in a way that is safe and secure so we keep our constituents safe. One of the things i think is no matter who says we are reopened, the only way you see the economy starting back up is when people feel like its safe for them to engage publicly again. And that is why im working on a bill called the clean act that would provide a tax credit for businesses that provide safe working environments for their workers as well as for their consumers. We have to be able to provide basic guidelines and basic conditions so people feel safe reengaging in the workplace and in the economy. Congresswoman, before you go, im wording how your district is doing in terms of coronavirus numbers, cases, but also your thoughts on the rnc happening in jacksonville, which i know is not in your district, but is happening in the state of florida given that this virus is still in the first phase . Right now, in my district and across florida, we are seeing a surge in the number of Positivity Rates as well as an increase in hospitalizations. You know, public you Health Officials have said that it is not safe to have large gatherings indoors. I think its a real mistake for there to be this this basically a vector in florida at a time when we are facing so many new cases and we are starting to overwhelm our Public Health care system. It is incredibly irresponsible and it is putting politics over the health and safety of the people. Irresponsible. Congresswoman Stephanie Murphy, thank you very much. Seth harris, before you go, i know you were talking about some of these numbers being sort of a delayed reaction. Because they take, you know, a few weeks to put together and now were having changes in the coronavirus in numbers and reopenings and closings. So what indicators are you looking at that help us understand where were headed, moving forward . Well, the unemployment claims numbers, even though they are sort of a noisy series, give us an indication that as steve said, we still have a lot of people losing their jobs, even 15 weeks into this pandemic recession. So its interesting in the unemployment report we had 4. 8 million more jobs, but all of those people were people who were returning from temporary furloughs. So were still seeing high rates of outflow from jobs as well as the high rate of inflow. That is a bad indicator because the job creation is largely the consequence of Government Spending. Its the paycheck protection program. Its Unemployment Benefits, its food assistance, its industry bail outs. So that is what is propping up the economy right now. And in july, some of that money is going to go away. The ppe program expires, the expanding Unemployment Benefits, the 600 additional check, that expires. And now republicans in congress are talking about spending as little as they can get away with or nothing if they can get away with that. And that will be disastrous. The economy is not in a position to be able to support itself because theres so many fear among working people, so much fear among consumers right now. The come wong was absolutely right about that. And so the economy is not going the be able to restore itself. We need a massive Government Spending program like the heros act that House Democrats prosecute posed, but i think that, i feel that Senate Republicans are going to shut thaun do and donald trump is not going to do anything about it. Steve ratner, do you agree with that . And practically speaking for large employers that are still having people work remotely or furloughing their workers, is it believable that they would all be going back some day . Because it doesnt seem realistic or practical to me. First of all, i agree with almost everything seth said. We may disagree about a few details, but were absolutely on the same page. But to your point, its important to emphasize the people coming back now are the easiest ones to bring back, the people on temporary furlough, the people on businesses that have begun to reopen. Its going to get tougher and tough tougher, i think, as we get into this to chip away at the massive number of people. For example, people who work in the hotel, hospitality, travel industries, none of those industries are coming back anytime fully, anyway, in the immediate future. And youre still going to see a lot of people on layoff there. Every time i talk to a ceo, they tell me theyre going to not bring back the same number of people they have before. Theyve learned how to do more with less. Theyre cutting their Capital Expenditure budgets. This is going to get tougher. So i would just underscore what seth said, we might disagree on some details. We absolutely need more action from congress. And i would also say that the Federal Reserve chairman jay powell who, of course, was a trump appointee has been saying this and his you much more sober realistic tone has been in stark contrast to people like larry kudlow and Steve Mnuchin telling us were going to have this serious recovery. I think people like jay powell dont believe that and i dont believe that, either. Steve ratner and seth harris, thank you both very much for being on this morning. Up next, the President Trump says the silent majority is stronger than ever before. Professor eddie glodd has some thoughts on that. Keep it right here on morning joe. Keep it right here on morning joe. Sure. Okay. Okay safe drivers save 40 guys guys check it out. Safe drivers save 40 safe drivers save 40 safe drivers save 40 thats safe drivers save 40 . It is, thats safe drivers save 40 . Hes right there. Its him hes here. Hes right here. Hi hi. Hey thats totally him. Its him thats totally the guy. Safe drivers do save 40 . 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Try wet jet with a moneyback guarantee theres a group of people out there, and i mean much more than half of our country, much, much more, youre not allowed to use the term silent majority any more, you know, youre not allowed because they make that into a big deal. But theres a group of people out there, massive, massive numbers. But youre not alone. The silent majority is silent no more. Your moment in the sun is just beginning. The story of america has always been written by everyday citizens who love their country so much. They could not help but speak out. I stand before you today to declare the silent majority is stronger than ever before. President trump has often brought up that phrase made famous by richard nixon. The silent majority. Tweeting about it recently out of the blue, seemingly without any context. And some of those tweets, amid the height of the recent protests against racism. Professor at Princeton University eddie glaude jr. Addresses that term silent majority in his new book begin again james baldwins america and its urgent lessons for our own. Eddie, you write in part this. It is not our task to save white people. That old idea has provided comfort for far too many across generations who continued to hate and harm. It works like a readymade absolution. White people will be forgiven for their sins because thats what black people do. We forgive them. And they sin again. Baldwin was right to give up on this folly. We have to give up this folly, too. Much is made today of the necessity to reach out to the disaffected trump voter. This is the latest description of the silent majority. The reagan democrat or the forgotten american. For the most part, we are told these are the high schooleducated white people working class white people who feel left out of an increasingly diverse america. But to direct our attention to these voters, to give our energy over to convincing them to believe otherwise, often takes us away from the difficult task of building a better world. In some ways, they hold the country hostage, and we compromise to appease them. Baldwin came to understand that there were some white people in america who refused to give up their commitments to the value gap. For him, we could not predicate our politics on changing their minds and souls. They had to do that for themselves. Our task then is not to save trump voters. It isnt to convince them to give up their views that white people ought to matter more than others. Our task is to build a world where such a view has no place or quarter to breathe. Eddie, i couldnt agree more. Its a frustrating cycle, but how do we begin again . Because its proven to be very difficult. Right, mika. Thank you again for this amazing conversation that weve been having all week. It seems to me that a choice has to be made. We have to decide once and for all whether were going to double down on our ugly commitments with regards to race. Weve been fighting the civil war for generations. And the silent majority is just the latest phrase to reference those deep underlying contradictions that have haunted american democracy. So when we think about, you know, redemption, lost cause, silent majority, forgotten americans, these are all references to this idea that america is a white nation. Baldwin made a distinction, and i want to be clear. Hes talking in generality. White people is an idology, its a moral choice. They dont exist. He knows there are some people who happen to be white that he and i deeply love. But those visited in this idea that whiteness accords you advantage. They are committed to an idea that distorts and disfigures democracy. Let me say this really quickly. We only have a finite amount of civic energy. And if we spend that energy trying to convince people who hold noxious views about black folk, who hold insidious views about race, we then dont have the energy to build the world where those views cannot breathe. And i want to spend that Finite Energy really building a world where you and i and joe and everyone else, my child, my son, that we can be otherwise. That we can be what god promised us to be. So eddie, as weve been talking about this morning, youve got a president who is standing in the way of exactly what youve described there. Hes not hiding it anymore. He tweeted a video where the first voice on it shouted white power. He yesterday called the words black lives matter a symbol of hate as it was being discussed to be painted on fifth heavy by the mayor of new york city. He was holding up, he says he will hold up a military funding bill unless they abandon the idea of changing the name of a base thats named for the confederate general robert e. Lee. So what do you do in these next four, six months or perhaps even 4 1 2 more years about that progress youre talking about when you have the leader of the country standing in its way . Well, we have to speak the truth. We have to expose the lies. We have to make the suffering speak. I think this is what donald trump is doing. And parscale and everybody else. We talk about the challenge of having to get black voters out, get voters of color out, its a turnout game. What the Trump Campaign understands is when we look at voting america, that a large percentage of white americans are not voting. That they dont believe that the country is actually supporting them. That he believes that the way to turn those disaffected white voters out is to appeal to their sense of resentment, their sense of victimhood, their grievance. Hes going to appeal to these base feelings, this hatred and ugliness. So what we have to do is finally make a choice that were going to build a just america. That were going to end the civil war that has been guiding, that has been the undertow of our politics for generations. And we have to make that choice stark. Theres no middle ground, willie. You have to say were going to finally give up this race stuff, this racism stuff or were going to double down on an ugly america and for another generation well have to deal with what weve been dealing with. I want to bring in one of your colleagues, professor of africanamerican studies at Princeton University amani perry. What is your take on this conversation so far, and then you can toss a question to the professor. Sure. Its wonderful to have a moment to talk about this extraordinary book. And one of the things that makes it so special is, in this moment, is that we are in a season in which we are avoiding long avoided, long denied truths about this nation and the impetus behind the title is to take that seriously, right . If one refuses abdication of responsibility, one must begin again. And my feeling about this book is that it really demands a kind of honesty in word and deed. And i wanted to ask eddie to speak for a moment about this concept of the third founding as a basis for how we begin again in this particular season. Where do we go from here in a sense is what im seeking from you. Yeah, yeah, so thank you so much, professor perry. Imani has been such a wonderful, wonderful partner in this journey around this book. You know, we talk about the second founding with regards to reconstruction and what radical reconstruction proponents did. They went back to our founding principles and tried to in some ways, live up to our stated ideals by expanding citizenship, passing 13, 14th, 15th amendments, trying to reach for multiracial democracy. In our moment, we have to tell the truth about what we how we have failed up to this point, and then we have to engage in a kind of reconciliation and repair. And that repair will involve a series of policies. Policies to address the underlying inequality that has been a result of generations of policy. And thats going to be hard work it seems to me. But it seems to me if we all agree, no matter our political position along the ideological spectrum, that there are basic ideals that animate the american project, then well implement policies, i believe, after weve told the truth, after weve engaged in genuine reconciliation, we can bebegin to repair the country and usher in a new america. Thats really idealistic, but for the sake of future generations, for the sake of our current way of living, we need to do that hard work. I love this. We need to have like a weekly princeton faculty meeting live on our show because this would be it. Eddie, thank you. Well continue our weeklong conversation around eddies new book begin again tomorrow. And willie, just looking at the converging news stories between Donald Trumps poll numbers, coronavirus getting much, much worse, rather than better, it seems to me that the president is sort of in a freefall. Well, the numbers certainly show that he is. 4. 8 million americans got their jobs back. We worry those numbers were recorded before some of those states started to shut down again. So well look at how those numbers play out. But the coronavirus is not going to disappear, as the president said yesterday. These states that are on fire right now are not embers. They should be the focus of the energy of our government. That does it for us this morning. Stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. Thanks, mika. Hi there. Im stephanie ruhle. Its thursday, july 2nd. Here are the facts this hour. We start with breaking news. The june jobs report just came out less than 30 minutes ago. 4. 8 million jobs added, meaning people went back to work, not new jobs, showing an economy that is headed in the right direction. But dont forget. Nearly 18 million americans are still out of work. The Unemployment Rate is now 11. 1 . That is down from more than 13 in the month of may. In addition, 1. 4 Million People filed new jobless claims in the last week. But that is down for the 13s we