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Enforcement officials to make sure their ranks are does this go and how do we begin representative of the communities they serve. They had no idea how to do to unroot it, just sort of pull it. That means working to train it out, expose it, and deal with it so that we dont have officials so that law incidences like this . Enforcement conducts itself in a because its all mixed up in way that is fair to everybody. Politics, and it kind of gets, you know, distorted. Never even tried to fix this. So, whats being done in that now, weve launched a police space . Data initiative thats helping so, i can tell you, federal camden and other innovative agencies have been really worried about this for months, cities use data to strengthen long before all of this started their work and hold themselves accountable by sharing it with popping up all throughout the the public. Country. Three people in las vegas were they had no idea how to do it. Arrested by the fbi because they im going to be proposing some new Community Policing planned to do this same thing at initiatives, including up to a protest in las vegas. 50,000 additional bodyworn in some of these smaller groups, cameras for Law Enforcement some of the smaller militias agencies. Throughout the country, like in president obama and vice new mexico, where there was a President Biden never even tried man shot during protests a to fix this. Today were also releasing new policies on the couple days ago, that militia, militarystyle equipment that you know, identified as part of the federal government has in a boogaloo movement. The past provided to state and so, this is something that law local Law Enforcement agencies. Enforcement has been really up were going to prohibit some on since the beginning of the year, and theyve been this has been around for a year or equipment, maybe for the two at this point. Now what do we do to stop it . Battlefield, that is not appropriate for local Police Departments. You know, recommendations good morning. Obvious factcheck there on algorithms on facebook have President Trumps claim about driven a ton of this. His predecessors efforts to if youre in a Libertarian Group reform policing. On facebook, for example, or a in fact, the Trump Administration has spent much of Tea Party Group or just like weaponry, guns and ammo stuff, its time unraveling those obama they might in the last three months have driven you to a Administration Police reforms. You know, willie, it would be boogaloo page. So, regular people and ive seen this in my life. As if donald trump criticized a facebook friend from high his predecessor for not knowing school, i swear to you, is in a how to properly walk down a ramp Boogaloo Group in facebook, and im wondering, how is this possible . Does this guy even know what it and drink a glass of water. Is . And i dont know the answer, but i can tell you that algorithmic, mm, mm. Because of how it works on you went right to the ramp, facebook, driving you to these didnt you . You had to do it. He went to the ramp. Extremes, they were able to pick i think the term gas lighting up more casual citizen members has been overused in the last few years, but that is explicit just by happenstance, just by gas lighting, which is to say, nature of the algorithm. Telling us something is true how . When . When are we going to realize that is demonstrably not true. Obviously, president obama and that social Media Companies need his administration, they to take some responsibility for launched an initiative to allow the Justice Department to investigate Police Departments as they did in ferguson, everything . Conspiracy theories and factually incorrect information. Missouri, for example. Just, its got to come to a head the Trump Administration back at some point. Pedaled on that, unrolled that. Nbcs ben collins, fascinating. Shortly before that, as you thank you very much for coming heard there, president obama on the show this morning. Announced an initiative to stop and coming up, a record 72 selling surplus military equipment to Police Departments. The Trump Administration undid of americans now say the countrys on the wrong track. That as well. Theres a long list. Weve got a brandnew poll to hes just making things up and talk about this morning. Were going to run through the he did it again yesterday. Numbers next on morning joe. And good morning. Welcome to morning joe. Its wednesday, june 17th. Along with joe, willie, and me, we have White House Reporter for the Associated Press Jonathan Lamire and msnbc political analyst and former chairman of the Republican National committee Michael Steele is with us this morning. We have a lot to get to. President trumps executive order aimed at Police Reform. Well tell you whats in it and whether it goes far enough. There is a new poll out of michigan to show you this morning that has joe biden up big in that key state. And latest on the book donald trump really, really, really doesnt want anyone to read. Wherever you make go, the Trump Administration now lexus will welcome you back suing its former national with exceptional offers. Security adviser, john bolton, get zero percent financing and make no payments for up to 90 days for breach of contract to delay on all 2020 lexus models. The release of his memoir experience amazing at your lexus dealer. Detailing his time in the white house. But we will begin with the coronavirus this morning as the with spray mopping to lock away debris death toll in the u. S. Continues and absorb wet messes, all in one disposable pad. To grow by the hundreds every day. Right now, there are nearly just vacuum, spray mop, and toss. The shark vacmop, a complete clean all in one pad. 118,000 confirmed deaths. Infection rates and hospitalizations are rising in to have constipation with belly pain, numerous states as businesses open up. Straining, and bloating, again and again. Meanwhile, the hotspots, new no way. Hotspots, continue to emerge in more exercise. More water. States across the south and and more fiber is the only way to manage it. Southwest. Officials in arizona, florida, is it . And texas are all reporting maybe you think. Its occasional constipation. Their largest ever singleday increases in new cases. Maybe its not. It could be a chronic medical condition called ibsc, the new daily highs come as all and time to say yesss to linzess. Three states moved swiftly to linzess works differently than laxatives. It helps relieve belly pain and lets you have ease social distancing restrictions and allow more more frequent and complete bowel movements. Businesses to reopen. According to the New York Times database, they were among six to less than 18, it may harm them. 20 states that have seen the number of newly reported cases do not take linzess if you have a bowel blockage. Grow over the last two weeks. Get immediate help if you develop unusual the times reports that even or severe stomach pain, especially with bloody or black stools. Taking into account the increase the most common side effect is diarrhea, sometimes severe. In testing, the rise in confirmed cases in several if its severe, stop taking linzess sunbaked states suggest and call your doctor right away. Increased transmissions, and other side effects include gas, stomach area pain, they pointed to other measures, and swelling. Change your thinking to ibsc. Including the percentage of positive tests and if your constipation and belly pain keeps coming back, tell your doctor and say yesss to linzess. Hospitalizations. Yesterday in florida, Health Officials reported nearly 2,800 new covid19 cases. That is a record high for single day since the start of the pandemic. Arizona reported nearly 2,400 new cases, as hospitalizations there reached an alltime high. Right now, over 80 of hospital beds in that state are occupied. And texas reported just over 2,600 new cases and a record high for hospitalizations. There you go. Willie . Meanwhile, mika, the covid19 model once used by the white house now as projects 200,000 people could die. It is estimated death from the pandemic in the u. S. Could reach anywhere from 171,000 to 270,000, went up by more than 30,000 since last week. Based on the model, daily deaths from the pandemic are expected to begin rising again in september after they had begun to plateau nationwide this month for the first time. Joining us now, dr. Vin gupta, a pulmonologist whos treated critically ill coronavirus patients in Washington State. Hes also an nbc news medical contributor. Dr. Gupta, good to have you back with us this morning. So, what do you make of this new explosion in cases across the sun belt, texas, florida, arizona among them . Some people will point to an availability of testing, letting us know there are more cases. What do you see in these numbers . Good morning, willie. You know, willie, in this explanation here is age of trump and gas lighting, straightforward, and mika just beautifully described it, which ive seen a lot of insincere is cases are growing out of proportion to testing, meaning we just cant attribute it to testing coming online, finally, statements put out. Ive got to say, Mark Zuckerberg as the Vice President wants to ascribe this to. No, this is the result of people talking about how deeply saddened he was by the things moving around more. That hes seen the president we know mobility data suggests say no, hes not. People are just engaging more, is near the top of it, and thats one of the reasons why. In arizona, governor ducey considering that he makes billions of dollars off of spreading lies and letting opened things up about a month people spread lies, hateful lies ago. In florida and texas, as mentioned, they were on the front lines of saying, hey, that, well, i can tell you in my lets open up to phase one. So, that is having a clear consequence here. We also know that masking is just not happening anymore at ca broad consensus. One in two americans, according case, is torturing the lives of a family who lost their daughter to an axios ipso poll say they and their wife 19 years ago. Sometimes wear a mask when they go out in public. But you can say the same thing that number declines if youre a republican versus if youre a about a 75yearold man whos democrat. Fighting for his life, has a cracked skull, cant walk so, leadership here matters. Then finally, i would say buffalo, new york. Leadership. And its spread all over we dont have enough governors here in those states actually Mark Zuckerbergs site that he sounding the alarm bells because may be antifa, while we have theyre listening to what the president and the Vice President other members of congress saying that maybe they should gun down say, which is alls well, open up. So, that means icu bed capacity, antifa. So, you sit and you look at this segment where there is a we dont have enough icu bed rightwing Extremist Group that capacity. Were seeing icus fill up in is literally targeting men and port saint lucie, florida, in women who are dedicating their tucson. So, this is really concerning. Were all concerned. Well, and doctor, i saw last lives to protecting american citizens, and this movement, this extremist movement. Night a Montgomery Advertisers and of course, they hatched story talking about a city their Conspiracy Theory by giving Mark Zuckerberg money, by Council Meeting where doctors went and passionately argued. Going on facebook. Now, that you would say they actually argued for a thats bad enough, right . Proposed ordinance for mandating face masks in public, and it was but Mark Zuckerberg is promoting rejected. Several doctors and others spoke out at the Council Meeting, and the extremism, because mark they were in support of the zuckerberg is actually his proposal, but they detailed the site, the zuckerberg site, has Horror Stories, the amount of covid19 patients that were coming in to local alabama actually set up set up like, ad promotions that hospitals. Jackson hospital pull month noll actually push people towards gist told them the units are fill with critically ill covid extremist sites that kill federal officers patients. The mask slows that down. 95 protection from something as easy as cloth. And Mark Zuckerberg becomes a its incredible. Billionaire how many times over . If this continues the way its going, were going to be overrun. Because hes pushing people according to the Montgomery Advertiser, more doctors took towards extremist sites that gun to the microphone describing the dead in montgomery, alabama, down and murder federal being carried out within 30 minutes of each other, and officials. Doctors being disturbed when Mark Zuckerbergs site, sheryl people on the street ask them if sandbergs site. The media was lying about the they were warned in 2016 that foreign powers were going to use pandemic as part of a political ploy. Their site to interfere with good lord. And of course, the proposal failed. American democracy, the american and youre right, this is about leadership. These doctors, these poor democracy that so many men and doctors and nurses are working women have fought and died for and carting out dead people in montgomery, alabama, only to to protect. They scaled the cliffs of have others outside the hospital normandy to protect american asking if the coronavirus is a democracy. They have fought across the hoax, as we approach 120,000 world against islamic terrorism dead americans. To protect american democracy. Joe, youre highlighting such an important issue here, which is us now battling this they have been fighting for 240 perception that were lying, years to protect american that were making this all up. And this goes back to that democracy. And when Sheryl Sandberg found point. You know, weve talked about out that Mark Zuckerbergs this on air. Website was being used by mandatory masks. Ive been criticized for going too far, but maybe thats where foreign powers to interfere in we need to be because people the 2016 election, what did she cant just be encouraged to do do . Something for the greater good. So, joe, we all understand and she got angry at the mark empathize with those doctors in montgomery, alabama. Were worried its going to happen in our zip codes, because zuckerberg employee that came to its already happened in places like seattle, and im about to enter a shift in seattle where her and came to the board and the icus already filled. Warned them that american we dont have much capacity. Democracy was at risk. So, this is a fivealarm fire here, and we need the president and the Vice President to Mark Zuckerberg said, he doesnt acknowledge that instead of care that people use his site to trying to encourage governors to say, hey, by the way, its all good, talk to your citizens lie. He doesnt care that they use about testing being potentially their site. You know, willie, this whole the reason why youre seeing increased cases. And mika, lets be very section 230 facade that, you clear. Weve been talking on this show know, that we passed in congress for some time about the need to reopen, to reopen businesses, because we didnt want people on but to reopen them safely. These websites to get in trouble for something that was said in a yeah. And you know, i went in this comments section it has so weekend. I ordered takeout for breakfast. Bloo ballooned now that Extremist Groups and demagoguic, jack and i went over. Authoritariantype politicians here and across the world are and this place has it where you can pick it up outside, and so now using these sites to promote you dont have to go in and be hatred, to kill federal officers, and to undermine around people. But you do have to go in, get american democracy. Those people are becoming your drink, which i wanted an billionaires. And for Mark Zuckerberg to say orange juice. So i walked in, had my n95 mask hes sad because hes making on, got it, walked out. Billions of dollars off of lies and i was really surprised. I went in, and you look, and being spread, off of hate groups half it was pretty packed in there. Half the people in there had germinating on zuckerbergs masks, and the other half website and sandbergs website. It is so disingenuous. Didnt, and there really wasnt and if congress doesnt do something to make mark a clear breakdown. You couldnt look at somebody and go, oh, theres a trumper zuckerberg liable and to make not wearing a mask. There are a lot of people, who i Mark Zuckerbergs website liable would assume, just from the Trump Supporters i know, look for the hatred and the lies and like they probably were going to vote for donald trump. The libel that is being spread there are a lot of people that on his website, then american democracy will remain at risk, it masks on. There were a lot of people who didnt look like they were going because Mark Zuckerberg and to vote for donald trump who Sheryl Sandberg have proven they didnt have a mask on, if you just break it down by age and are interested in one thing demographics and everything else. So, there was no rhyme or reason to it. But there is no doubt that a lot more than truth, more than the of polls show that the more protection of 75yearold men who were brutalized in a march likely you support donald trump, the less likely you are to wear masks. I hope that as we move forward, for black justice, more than the we move beyond that, because i have a lot of friends and loved protection of american democracy. Ones who need to be wearing Mark Zuckerberg and sheryl masks, who need to take care of sandberg are only interested in themselves. In terms of no rhyme or reason, it is also that people have been in lockdown for months protecting their billions. Now. Theyve been socially and so, when you find that a distancing. Their kids havent been in school. Federal officer is mowed down, theyre going to look for any opening. Is killed by a rightwing i mean, its just natural to be able to have some semblance of Extremist Group normal. I have a friend whos a real and it is Mark Zuckerberg whose estate agent in an area thats platform is promoting that group sort of a vacation area, says by pushing people to that group . Her phone is ringing off the hook, cannot come up for air. Usually her phone is not ringing, quite frankly. Then his words are meaningless she does a few things here and there. Ringing off the hook with people wanting rentals, wanting to get he is lying to you. Out, wanting to go on vacation. He is lying to himself. It is about leadership. And if leadership leaves an he is lying to the american opening, here you go. And this is deadly. Heres the thing, of course people and congress and the next people want to get out. President of the United States of course everybody wants to get out. Need to stand up to the billions and they should get out. And billions of dollars in but they should do it safely. The wall street journal this Silicon Valley and hold these morning, by the way, has a great people, hold these billionaires accountable for their lies and piece talking about what we know for their undermining of about how you get coronavirus. American democracy well be right back. [narrator] the shark vacmop combines powerful suction you dont get coronavirus and doctor, let me go to you here really quickly. What the wall street journal story this morning very helpful says this is what we know so far about the coronavirus. You dont get it off of surfaces. You dont get it usually outside as youre passing people, talking to them outside. You get it inside, in closed spaces, where theres not a lot of ventilation, where you have longer encounters, facetoface encounters, where people are talking loudly, or in one famous case, wall street journal says, that choir that was singing, so many people got it. So were starting to know more about it. You can walk in parks. You can walk on beaches. You can socially distance. You dont have to be Wearing Masks 24 hours a day. But if you go inside a restaurant to pick something up, for gods sake, wear a mask joe, you highlighted such an important thing here. Its the outdoor component here versus the indoor component. People gathering outdoors. As long as they can maintain social distancing, were less worried about transmission of covid19 because of air and just aerodynamics. Its hard to transfer the virus in an outdoor setting. In an indoor setting, thats why were so worried about the tulsa rally with President Trump. That is a superspreader event potentially, because one, will people wear masks . But two, theyre going to be in the same place for over an hour, and were worried about that. With spray mopping to lock away debris thats exactly right, indoor and absorb wet messes, all in one disposable pad. Transmission is much more likely than outdoors. I want to ask you before you just vacuum, spray mop, and toss. Go about this new treatment, the shark vacmop, a complete clean all in one pad. Steroid, dexelmethosone. How impactful is that and how effective is it in fighting the coronavirus . Mika, when i saw that headline, we have eight patients in the icu right now that are on a steroid. Were hopeful it works. And this is encouraging. The headline itself is encouraging. Whats not encouraging and what gives us pause is there was a press release instead of a peerreviewed paper. So theres no data, so we dont know. In this era where we talk about hydroxychloroquine on a press release, when moderna publishes data on a vaccine with just six individuals it was based on six individuals, their phase one trial no data it gives us pause. So we want to see data. But yes, this initial headline suggests, hey, if it works, fantastic, and were going to look out for that data. Dr. Vin gupta, thank you so much for being on this morning as we follow this. Well be having you back, im sure. Willie . Dr. Gupta mentioned leadership. He mentioned Vice President pence. Heres what hes talking about. In a new op ed for the wall street journal, Vice President mike pence argues that, there is not a coronavirus second wave. He writes this in recent days, the media has taken to sounding the alarm bells over a second wave of coronavirus infections. Such panic is overblown, he writes. Thanks to the leadership of President Trump and the courage and compassion of the American People, our Public Health system is far stronger than it was four months ago, and we are winning the fight against the invisible enemy. I think we can cut it there. He goes on. Quite clearly, you just heard from a leading physician, somebody whos treating patients. Hes not a member of the media. Hes somebody whos trying to explain why were seeing spikes across the country, why, by the way, beijing, a city of 22 million people, is back on lockdown this morning. Schools are closed. Flights are canceled. Jonathan lamire, obviously, Vice President pence is doing what hes had to do for 3 1 2 years or what hes chosen to do for 3 1 2 years, go out, make the case for the president that weve turned the corner and that its time to move on, which is something he said on a phone call with governors across the country on monday as well, saying they should go out and say that the spike in numbers is because of testing. Dr. Gupta just explained why thats not quite right. No, willie, its not. Just a few minutes before certainly, there are more cases picked up because of increased the top of the hour. Welcome back to morning joe. Testing. Thats true. But theres also increased it is wednesday, june 17th. Hospitalization. Jonathan lamire and michael thats across a number of states. These are far more than just steele are still with us. And joining the conversation, testing. Former u. S. Senator, now an nbc were seeing a surge in infections in a number of news and msnbc political localities across the country. Analyst, Claire Mccaskill is the Vice President in that op with us. Ed, not only did he blame the and Senior Writer at politico media, he suggested that how the and coauthor of the playbook, jake sherman. Thanks to you both for being with us this hour. Administration has handle the a lot to talk about. Pandemic is a cause for following weeks of protests celebration. In that call to governors, hes since the death of george floyd, not only suggesting making the claim that this is about testing, hes urging the President Trump yesterday signed governors to go out there and an executive order on policing repeat those talking points. These are just temporary spikes that he said would set standards and that the administration, of on the use of force and would course, has this all under prioritize federal grants to control, when we are seeing more Police Departments that met evidence by the day that that is those standards, but he made no simply not the case. Mention of the roiling national and this is so rare that the debate over racism sparked by white house is even talking about this pandemic right now. Recent police killings. With the president flanked by as we know, they have tried uniformed officers and police desperately now for weeks to union officials, the optics of turn the page, to talk about the nation reopening, to talk about yesterdays rose garden event the economy restarting. Signaled care against angering they dont want to dwell on these increasingly dismal Law Enforcement communities. Numbers. We are seeing, as you mentioned, the Washington Post reports trump spent a good portion of a return, an outbreak in his 27minute address touting beijing, but were also looking his record on the economy, at other countries across europe that have seen cases boasting of recent upticks in dramatically drop. Thats not happening here in the the stock market, listing what United States. It is still the pandemic is he believes he has done for still going. Maybe its not a second wave, as minority communities, and the Vice President argues. Falsely accusing the previous maybe were still in the First Administration of failing to try wave, a number of health to address Police Brutality. Officials have said. Of course, were also looking at, as the doctor indicated, the americans want law and order. Tulsa rally the president has they demand law and order. They may not say it. Scheduled for saturday. They may not be talking about right now, its set up for an it. But thats what they want. Indoor arena downtown with an some of them dont even know overflow room in a convention. Thats what they want, but they say they have hundreds of thats what they want. Thousands of people who have nobody is more opposed to the applied for tickets. Small number of bad police theres some urging, though, from state officials, even in oklahoma, to move it outdoors. Officers and you have them the governor of oklahoma will be at the white house this week. They are very tiny. He and the president are i use the word tiny. Expected to discuss how to have this rally, how to have it its a very small percentage, but you have them. Safely, potentially changing but nobody wants to get rid of venues, but theres no them more than the overwhelming indication that it will be canceled. Well number of really good and great wow, thats just nuts. And the thing is, it just Police Officers. Makes no sense for them not to according to the post, move it outdoors. Trumps order charges attorney tulsa has outdoor stadiums where general william barr with leveraging federal Grant Funding they can move it to and keep people that want to go to that to encourage local police rally, keep them safe. Departments to pursue certifications in newly those outdoor arenas probably established best practices are going to be bigger, can hold regarding use of force and more people. They can be wearing face masks. Deescalation techniques. Barr is also tasked with they can be six feet apart. Establishing a database to track they could even be three feet officers who are fired or resign apart, however whatever theyre comfortable doing to over misconduct allegations so keep themselves safe and also they are not hired in other keep their loved ones at home safe, to keep their mothers or jurisdictions. The executive action also calls fathers, their grandmas, their for the federal government to support efforts to train police grandfathers, to keep all of officers in handling encounters them safe. With those suffering from mental you know, weve done, unfortunately in this country, health issues, homelessness, and such a terrible job in managing the coronavirus. And of course, weve gone addiction. Jake sherman, what do you make of this . I know youre looking into this through all the missed cues and and looking also at polling. All of the missed signals from the beginning of this crisis, well, a few things. But the proofs in the numbers, this executive action is mostly a side show, not exactly a side the proofs in the data. Show. Michael steele, lets put up thats probably a bit too harsh, that number again, comparison but its only part of the between the eu and the united equation right now because this morning Mitch Mcconnells going to announce in what is a states of america on covid19 surprise decision and im cases. The United States, obviously, curious what Claire Mccaskill thinks of this but theyre doing far worse than the eu going to proceed next week tim countries that have bent the scotts police bill. This is big news. This means the senate is going curve, and just so americans to consider a police bill in looking at this chart understand that thats what the numbers 130something days before the election. Democrats have a very interesting choice ahead of look like, despite the fact the them. They could either allow european union, whos bent the republicans in the senate to get onto this police bill. Curve, has about 100 million it will require democratic more people, if im not mistaken, than the United States cooperation, or not. I dont know how theyre going to go here. Does. We have about 330 million im curious what senator people. Mccaskill thinks here, because i think the eu has somewhere theres upside and downside in around 440 million people. Both directions. I mean, this could result there is a situation in which and so, you look at the numbers. Congress could end up passing a Police Reform bill this year. The United States, unfortunately, we have 4. 5 of id say that we put it this way in playbook, the path is the worlds population, and treacherous, its very were contributing to almost a complicated and difficult, but it is possible. So im curious what you think, third of the deaths and the senator mccaskill, about the infections across the world. Prospect. Will Chuck Schumer allow despite the fact that we have republicans to proceed on to the best scientists, the best this bill and possibly debate doctors. This in kind of an open setting when you look at since 1950 what over the next couple weeks . Countries won the most nobel you know, first of all, call prizes in the field of sciences, me claire. But second of all its not even close. I know. I knew you were going to say weve won about 50 of them, one that. Im sorry. Out of every two nobel prizes im just so used to the awarded. And yet, you look at those formalities. I think that chuck is in a numbers in the United States, position of great leverage right despite the american now. I would see this going one or exceptionalism. And yes, i will say it, the two ways. He would agree to get on the american exceptionalism that we bill in return for something have shown in science and medicine and technology over the very public a, b, or c. Past 50, 60, 70 years. Or in the alternative, he would we are failing miserably in get an agreement from mcconnell to not fill the tree. And for people who dont know this. Mike pence continues to lie for what that means, that means that mcconnell would be barred from the white house. Michael steele, you and i both filling up all the places for have known mike for quite some amendments. And mcconnell would have to allow an open amendment process time. Lives are at risk. To allow democrats to force we hear now that up to 200,000 republicans to vote on people may die from the meaningful measures in terms of Police Reform. Hes not mcconnells not coronavirus by the fall. Going to want his members that and mike pence says that theres are in states like colorado and no second wave. North carolina and iowa and anthony fauci, he agrees with arizona hes not going to want them to have to vote on him. He says theres no second wave anything thats controversial to because were still in the first trumps base. So, this is really where chuck wave has some leverage, and i think were still in the first wave. Youll see a lot of negotiations between now and the first of and mike pence is running around next week. And time will tell whether or with Mission Accomplished not mcconnell will cut a deal that will give democrats some banners behind him, all because meaningful progress before ever bringing it to the floor, or whether mcconnell will allow a thats what he thinks donald freeforall on the floor with trump demands of him, to lie to open debate and open amendments. The American People about the so, claire, give us your Worst Health Care crisis thats assessment of the white house faced this country in over a bill and also tim scotts bill. Century. Do they go far enough . Well, first of all, both of them are just leveraging money. Well, joe, the graph that you you know, theyre not requiring showed says a lot, speaks anything. Theyre not making it a federal volumes, number one. Civil rights violation to do a choke hold. Theyre just saying, if you its one thing to have nobel dont do these things, were not laureates in science. Its another thing to listen to going to give you grant money. Those Nobel Laureates in science. Were not going to give you and thats, again, i think reflected in the graph, in the extra byrne grant money or other sense that the administration federal crime grant monies. Has not taken seriously what the same thing with the training. I think the training is the best part of it, for dealing with the warnings have been from the homeless and mentally ill. Scientific community. So it goes to what mika said a how much money will they put behind that in terms of helping . And by the way, these local little bit ago about leadership. Police departments, theyve got to start over with the way it is about how the leadership not only takes in the theyre policing. But theres no question their resources are going to be information from those nobel diminished because of whats laureates, those scientists, going on with covid. Those smart researchers, doctors so, it is going to be a on the front lines, like situation where reprioritizing money it will be, you know, dr. Gupta and others, and then will they quit giving them military equipment . Will the federal government do that . Look for that to be one of those di digests that and put it into a policy that actually will bend leverage points. The curve, so to speak. The federal government now gives but its Something Else here. The president wants the rally. Military equipment to police he needs the high that comes departments. Will the democrats force the from having 20,000 people republicans to end that practice as part of this negotiation . Screaming his name and mostly, the president s executive order was window reinforcing every bit of dressing. There were a few good things in misinformation, disinformation, there. But nothing thats really going to move the needle. Lack of facts that he spews out this was just a photo op without of his mouth. So, thats what saturdays africanamericans in the about. Picture, literally and yeah, he can do it outdoors, but figuratively. The point is, to prove the point that this is not a big deal, that we have, in fact, turned that corner, which is why the Yamiche Alcindor joins us Vice President s op ed is in the from washington. The president met with some of the families before that rose newspaper three days before the garden ceremony of africanamerican men who have been shot and killed, event, just letting people know, africanamerican men and women yall come, were all good. Who have been shot and killed by Police Officers, including the family of ahmaud arbery, who was killed in georgia by two men in well, i wish we were. Yeah. February. What did the president seek to when you have a modeling unit accomplish yesterday as he tried that actually has been fairly to just put something in the sand to say, yes, i met this conservative that was saying only 60,000 americans were going moment in some way, yes, i spoke to die of covid19, and now out in some way, an were moving towards 120,000, acknowledgment of whats now theyre having to reassess happening in the streets. And say, well wait a second, obviously, it wont be enough for democrats who want to go were going to be closer to even further. 200,000 people by the fall, most he said he supported a ban on choke holds, unless the life of the officer is threatened. Likely. What was the point of obviously, this is not going yesterdays exercise from the away. You know, willie, it wasnt just White House Point of view . Reporter from the White House Point of view, the scientists that were giving president was really trying to get his hands around this moment these warnings back in january. That were all living through, which is the fact that there are of course, donald trump was protesters in all 50 states warned by people in his demanding change. Administration throughout the you see even states, the reddest month of january. The white house was warned throughout the month of january states oklahoma, texas, all these states that the president needs to win in november the about covid19. People in those states have also even his own trade taken to the streets. So, this executive order, while representative said that up to experts have said that its not 500,000 people could die of the really has a lot of teeth in it. And as senator mccaskill, or coronavirus in january in a claire has said, a lot of this is about incentivizing the Police Department to do things, rather than actually forcing memo. Them to do things. I will say, i spoke to some of and here we are. The families who met with the but again, it wasnt for president yesterday. People to say, well, gee, this they met with him for about an hour. They say that the president was is just something that scientists and doctors might somber, that he seems sympathetic. Have known, its important that he was also promising each americans understand that in individual family a federal review of their case. But then i talked to someone january, joe biden wrote an op named dwayne palmer. Ed for the usa today, and he his brother, everett palmer, died in a pennsylvania jail cell said, donald trump is not under mysterious circumstances. Hes still trying to get justice prepared for the coming for his brother. He said that, yes, its nice pandemic. That the president is giving us hes put america in a situation kind words, but he said, quote, where we are vulnerable to a were beyond kind words, that now we need to see action. He also said that the families coming pandemic. Made it a point not to go into that was in january. That rose garden for that photo op that weve been talking about and here we are and joe biden this morning because they didnt also said, please, want to be, quote, props. Mr. President , listen to your they didnt want to be any part doctors, listen to your of any photo opportunity. I was also told that they didnt scientists. Let your doctors, let your want to give President Trump the ability to claim a victory with scientists talk to the American People about whats coming. Black and brown faces. Thats the end of january. So, the families, while happy a month later, donald trump is that the president is doing something on policing, they are in michigan telling people that very much saying that the it was only 15 people with a president has to do a lot more before they come out and are disease that was going to go down to zero. Photographed with him in any the next month he was talking sort of way. About using disinfectants and you know, jake sherman, along with the picking up cohosting putting lights inside of bodies, duties for us this morning he does a nice job. You know, talking about a drug that yesterday we find out has you brought along some polls. And of course, if you want to been is not approved any talk about the polls and then go longer by the u. S. Government. To anybody for questions, feel free to do so. Thank you. Again, with all of the science, you have polls not only on with all of the knowhow, with this issue, but also on President Trump. All of the medical genius we tell us what youve got at politico. Well, the politico morning have here, with the american exceptionalism in these fields consult poll this morning has of science and technology and pretty gym numbers for the president 139 days before the medicine, we have stumbled election. 72 of people polled in this through this process. Poll believe that the countrys but i just you look at these on the wrong track, which obviously we dont really need polls that show joe biden up by to talk much about. Thats a really, really grim 15 or 16 points in michigan. Its not a mistake. Number. And some more grim numbers for the president. People know that joe biden was 43 of people believe that joe warning about this in january, biden, the democratic nominee, is the correct person to handle and they understand that even one month, two months, three the coronavirus, which is months later, the president was still saying nothing to worry interesting. I will say this about the Police Reform issue 52 of democrats about. And here, theyre still saying it. Do not believe that defunding kudlow said in february, end of the police is the way to go. And that i think is an important february, nothing to see here, thing to keep in mind, just as weve contained the virus. The Defund Police movement gains Kellyanne Conway screaming at a steam in the base. Cbs reporter about containing i mean, theres a lot of the virus. Its contained conversations politically about what are you, a doctor . You dont think its contained . How it will play on capitol hill and with elected officials and whether the message is muddled. 115,000 americans have died since then. And claire, im curious whether and so, donald trump can be mad you think and what you think at Brad Parscale for getting of the Defund Police movement. Rich off him, but hes not 16 because as you know, it doesnt always matter points down because brad im actually going to cut you parscale has gotten rich off off here for a second, because donald trump. Before we go to the defunding hes 16 points down because hes running against a guy that policing, let me jake, what warned americans about this back are the numbers . You say 52 of democrats, jake, in january. Yeah, and joe biden actually, are opposed to the Defund Police if you look back, talked about movement . This in the fall, saying before we even knew what coronavirus was, before it even existed, thats right, yep. And weve had havent we saying were not ready for a had jim clyburn repeatedly pandemic, talking more broadly about it. Remember, the obama said its a bad idea. Administration left a very everybody on the hill has said explicit playbook for how to its a bad idea, that i heard. Handle this. Also spike lee saying its a bad remember that the Intel Services idea. Do you know any Democratic Leaders on the hill that support warned the white house that something was brewing in wuhan, the Defunding Police issue . China, and that we ought to be zero. And actually, the democrats ready for it. Those warnings were ignored. Bill gives more money to police. And frankly, this is something thats been in the way for so, theyve kind of cut this off at the knees. Donald trump as he looks at but again, this is something, a reelection. He thought he had a strong slogan thats gained traction with the base and has gained the economy, he could roll through doing exactly what he was doing to reelection, and then along imagination of some activists. And politically, thats a came a crippling pandemic that challenge for democrats. Was real and serious and yesterday, karen bass, who youre going to have on after affected peoples lives. This, i believe, had to hes tried to wish it away. Apologize for calling it the i mean, you detailed all the dumbest slogan ever. Times hes done that. So, clearly, some tension with he said just last month, we have prevailed on testing. Parts of the base. We figured it out. Well, its one of the dumbest we cracked the code. Slogans ever. Its certainly up there. You had Jared Kushner saying when youre talking about this administrations handling of the coronavirus pandemic has been a Great Success story. Polishing Police Departments, its a great way to actually play into the hands of your and then again yesterday, you had Vice President mike pence saying there is no second wave, opponents, especially when the and any talk of that is overwhelming majority of americans are on your side. Overblown. This is not something that can so, 72 on the wrong track. Be wished away. Donald trumps approval and frankly, this spike in cases ratings let me show you this, is not really a surprise to jake, and well pass it around. People like dr. Gupta or dr in michigan, Donald Trumps headtohead matchup with joe dr. Ajish ja, who is on our show all the time, who were sort of biden shows that joe biden is now well ahead of him in double laying out how this was going to happen, you would have the big digits in michigan. And jake, were hearing and i spikes in new york city and chicago, and as those got under am not exactly sure why maybe control, the disease, if were you can explain to us biden not careful, if we dont maintain distancing, if we dont had 55 39 in michigan. Wear masks, will spread across the rest of the country. Thats exactly whats happening right now as weve tried to find that fwral reopening the the Detroit Free Press said country. But the bottom line, mika, is perhaps some of the movement, that the president cant wish the net for movement in bidens this away, Vice President pence direction is because of what cant wish it away in a wall happened on june 1st. People seemed to be repulsed by street journal op ed or on a call with governors. It is here. That. But why is biden doing so well they dont like that its here because its hurting the president s reelection chances, in all of the swing states or in but it is with us, and it has to most of the swing states right be dealt with. Now . Because you look at polls, and it used to be that the swing still ahead on morning joe, were going to talk to states were really tight and former defense secretary robert close, even if biden were up by eight or nine points nationally, gates, also the chair of the but now were seeing more and congressional black caucus, more polls that are saying biden not only has a doubledigit congresswoman karen bass, and lead, but hes also doing very senator James Lankford of oklahoma, ahead of the president s rally in the senators home state. Well in states like wisconsin, but first, prosecutors say a suspect in the killing of a michigan, florida, pennsylvania, and things are even getting california officer is tied to a tight. Bidens even ahead in some polls growing antigovernment extremist in swing states like ohio and movement aimed at stirring up iowa. Whats going on there . Civil unrest. Well, i mean, you could its interesting. A lot of commentators were choose any number of the reasons. I mean, the president seems to blaming the shooting in oakland inject himself into controversies without much logic on black lives matter or reason behind it. And i agree, this is not just protesters. In fact, it was anything but michigan, as you just noted. Its ohio. That. Were going to learn much its iowa, where the vice more about that disturbing trend next on morning joe. President visited yesterday in a before the end of the year, i comm Des Moines Register poll. Predict we will have a very it showed a tight race in a state that the president has successful vaccine, therapeutic, been relatively popular in, a tight senate race. Arizona, too. And cure. I always say, even without it, and if you look across the map, again, these are polls 139 days before the election. It goes away. But if you look across the map, but if we had the vaccine and start putting states like arizona, iowa in play, michigan we will if we had in play, that shuts off a huge, therapeutic, or cure, one thing huge pathway for the president sort of blends into the other. For reelection. It will be a fantastic day, and and it calls into question why i think thats going to happen, hes not doing things that are and its going to happen very soon. Broadly popular with the base. And again, we could im not the president s political strategist, and ive tried to understand for years why he has not done things that are clearly quite popular with the broad brush of the american public, but he continues to do things like inject himself into controversies the military patrolling the streets, not getting rid of confederate named bases. I mean, these are things that even on capitol hill with some of the most conservative members of congress and members of the introducing new voltaren arthritis pain gel, senate, these are things that are nobrainers for people who the first and only full prescription strength are practiced politicians that nonsteroidal antiinflammatory gel the president just doesnt really have the appetite to get available overthecounter. His arms around. New voltaren is powerful arthritis pain relief in a gel. So, Michael Steele, you look at those numbers. I think most people in michigan voltaren. The joy of movement. Think thats a bigger spread than, obviously, well see, 16 to deliver your mail and packages points. But in this moment in time, the and the peace of mind of knowing that essentials president is struggling in the like prescriptions are on their way. Places where he won by just a every day, all across america, we deliver for you. Hair. 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In their schools, in their workplaces. This thing is real, and as weve rinvoq can lower your ability to fight infections, been talking about this morning, the president is trying to turn including tuberculosis. The page on something that very serious infections and blood clots, much remains on this page for sometimes fatal, have occurred. The country. As have certain cancers, including lymphoma, exactly right, willie. Tears in the stomach or intestines, and the only reprieve for the and changes in lab results. President from these numbers is your doctor should monitor your bloodwork. The fact that its june. Tell your doctor about any infections. And if you are so you know, we are outside of or may become pregnant while taking rinvoq. That space where it becomes take on ra critical, which, of course, is talk to your rheumatologist about rinvoq relief. Labor day, which changes the entire dynamic of any campaign, rinvoq. Make it your mission. Especially a president ial if you cant afford your medicine, campaign. You still have conventions to go abbvie may be able to help. Through. You still have folks sort of checking out for the summer and all of that. Bbut what if you couldg do better than that . So, that gives the president some space to begin to reorient like adapt. Discover. Deliver, in new ways, to new customers. His ship of state, if you will, what if you could come back stronger . Regarding his campaign. Faster. Better. But to the point that jake just at comcast business, made, the reality of it is we want to help you not just bounce back, thats not what donald trump has but bounce forward. Been known to do. He plays to the lowest common and now, with one of our best offers ever, denominator. He plays to his base because he were committed to helping you do just that. Feels that as long as he has get a powerful and reliable internet and voice solution that, if hes got those white for only 29. 95 a month for three months. Men over 50 locked in, and the call or go online today. More theyre locked in, the stronger he feels he is, the better off hell be longer term. The problem there is hes got this trifecta thats hit him upside the head like a brick. Covid19. Downturn in the economy. And now racial tension across the country. On each of those three fronts, he is losing ground with the very people he considers his base. He likes to tout just recently in a tweet, oh, 96 of republicans support me. Uh, no, they dont. The numbers actually 84 . So why not do what youve been dreaming of . Hes losing among independents. Hes losing some of that base. So what his campaign has been youve got the power, weve got the tools. Trying to do is to get him to reorient to that truth. And then thats, again, why make a website with godaddy and put what you want out there. Theyre doing the rallies this weekend, to get that momentum headed in the right direction for the president. But this is going to be a slog for him because of how trump has approached those three big issues so far. So, Jonathan Lamire, were going to continue to pretend that this white house may work like a regular white house when it comes to facing reelection. Ill ask the question. Obviously, they do not. But again, it just defies logic. Every day the president s numbers continue to go down. And im just wondering if, when he had brief spasms of lucidity at the end of the 2016 campaign and went quiet, im wondering if theres a response coming from the Trump White House on polling numbers . Officials are now charging a 39 at gallup and 39 in other suspect in the murder of a federal Security Officer in polls. I think Morning Consult this oakland, california, last month. Morning is 40 . Correct me if im wrong, jake. Hes down 16 Percentage Points air force Sergeant Steven in michigan. Carrillo is accused of gunning the Trump White House was planning to have 15 to 20 of down deputy David Patrick black voters on their side in underwood. And also with the attempted murder of another officer. 2020, which would be certainly a Authorities Say carrillo traveled with another man to record since 19 i would guess oakland with the motive to kill 1960 with nixon, when he had 33 Police Officers, which allegedly was spurred by the death of of black voters. But hes losing black voters left and right. George floyd in minneapolis. Hes losing workingclass, white the two men met on facebook and women in the industrial midwest are believed to be part of a overwhelmingly. Hes losing independents farright, antigovernment extremist movement. Overwhelmingly. Joining us now, nbc news of course, hes already lost reporter ben collins. Suburban women. Ben, youve been looking into hes losing women by record numbers. This Extremist Group. I guess first explain who they are and what do you know about them . So, that is a reality facing donald trump. Sure. That is a reality facing his campaign. Its a loosely affiliated group. Theyre called the boogaloo. It comes from a meme from an and i will ask the question that i ask all the time what are extremist website. They going to do to stem the the meme is civil war to electric boogaloo. It sounds like a joke, sounds tide . Do they pretend that they have a ironic and all this stuff. Thats the mask they use to hide plan to stop just drilling down the extremism that some of them on this base that is now down to wind up carrying out. And really what it is, its a 39 and getting to the 46 , 47 , collection, a loose collection of antigovernment groups who 48 that they need to be reelected . Come together online, talk about guns, things like that, fantasize about the takeover of youre right, joe, in remembering that really the only time weve seen the president be the government. And thats what drove this guy, really disciplined and stay on message, or in that case, quiet, too. This is what weve seen. Was that last week or so of the this guy was in a Boogaloo Group 2016 campaign. On facebook, which are very much there have been people around allowed on facebook. Him who have urged a similar tactic now, but we just have to and he met this other fellow look at yesterdays event in the rose garden to say that thats not working. The president stayed on script writer, and asked him to use his for a little while, talked about van to drive him to the protest the executive order, extolled and he said, use their anger to fuel our fire and we have mobs some of the good things that of angry people to use to our were in it, then immediately advantage. Hes talking about the protesters there, the protesters abandoned his notes and attacked the media and democrats, making with which he doesnt claims about how much he had necessarily agree. He just wants to start some done for africanamerican voters unrest so it can kick off some that just dont stand up. Sort of civil war or race war. The president they know, the people around him, his inner really. So, ben, hey, its willie. Circle, there is concern. Good to have you on this they know that theyre down. Morning. And weve talked about this show so, carrillo and justice, these quite a bit about how michigan two men, effectively said to they feel like is almost out of each other, lets use the cover of these demonstrations. Reach, and this new poll sort of and some people will blame the emphasizes that. But there are a number of other demonstrators for shooting this places where there are red officer. They said, lets use that to go alerts going off. Alarm bells are sounding. Commit acts of violence. Places like iowa and ohio, what exactly did they do when they got to oakland . Georgia and texas, where, yes, i think they still feel confident they will win, but theyre so, justus claims that he suddenly now concerned theyre going to have to devote a lot of didnt really have much to do with it after he said, yes on time, energy, and resources to hang on to states that a few months ago they thought were safely in their column. Facebook, you know. Justus said, lets boogie after carrillo said, you know, and reflexively, the president really only has a few moves lets go down there, lets cause here, joe. Hes never shown the ability to some havoc. Grow his base of support, to so, they got in a white van, reach out to new voters. They drove down to the protests. He just doubles down, again, on justus basically waited for him to go shoot this federal that bedrock core supporters, officer. On facebook, they called them soup boys, which is short for who as you note, may be alphabet soup, like acronym shrinking, finally. There have not been many agencies, fbi, atf, things like controversies that have stuck to this president. We wrote this morning in the that, agencies that theyre trying to target because they Associated Press, most of view them as basically enemies them, he has an uncanny ability to shake off these bad to the movement. Headlines. A few have. Charlottesville, helsinki, and thats, after all that, they images of the children at the shot him. Ages at the mexican border. Then a week later,ually but Lafayette Square and his handling of that, using federal Law Enforcement to clear peaceful protesters, is really resonating, and the campaign is tracking worrisome polling that shows thats cost him support among some republicans, among some independents. And right now, the only answer this campaign has is to try to lean into the economy, suggesting that if the economy bounces back, its a rising tide that will lift all boats. Thats what theyre betting on. But as we see, the pandemic comes back, were already seeing signs that its not going away, that will damage the economy, too. Absolutely. Jake sherman, jump back in. Quickly. I just want to make one correction. 58 overall of people who do not support defunding the police. But i want to make one other point that dovetails with what michael was saying, what jonathan is saying here, which is, the president actually has an opportunity here on Police Reform to do Something Big. Its available to him. Both sides are not far apart. He just believes that the liberals will never think its enough and conservatives will abandon him. Theres very little evidence of either. But again, he has a moment here. He could get a big legislative achievement. Hes choosing he chose the easier path, which is an executive order. I dont understand it. The white house cant explain it. They want to move on from this. I dont understand why. They have the opportunity for Something Big and theyre just not taking it, which is so i mean, in an Election Year when youre trying, as jonathan said, to grow that base, i dont understand why they dont take this opportunity head on. So, claire, lets talk about donald trump promoting john boltons book and doing everything he can to make it a number one bestseller. Number one. For months. Hes actually getting the federal government involved, trying to stop the publication of a book. Lets think about this for a second. Hes trying to get the Justice Department involved to stop the publication of a book that is critical to him, claiming National Security when the person that was put in charge in the administration of seeing if there were any National Security problems with the book actually gave it a pass and said, no, there are no concerns, which means that any court is going to seize onto that and allow john bolton to publish his book. But again, heres the president. And according to the Justice Department complaint, nsc official ellen knight had completed her review of boltons book around april 27th and was of the judgment that the manuscript draft did not contain classified information. Informed bolton that the process remained ongoing, but it did not receive contained classified information. You and i both know, claire, any judge is going to look at that and say this is just the president of the United States trying to stifle political speech, and no court is going to allow that to happen. So, here we have the president doing to john boltons book what he did on june 1st, looking like an autocrat in waiting but looking like a failed autocrat. Yeah, and the story here, joe, is really about how weak bill barr is. I dont think weve ever had an attorney general that is this weak and frightened and such a coward. If you look at whats going on, the head of the Civil Division at doj, this lawsuit was filed yesterday morning. He quit yesterday afternoon. The solicitor general has quit. The head of the Civil Rights Division has quit. Barr knows i guarantee you, he knows this is an exercise in vanity for donald trump. It is going to sell more books. I hear now that the president is threatening to sue his niece over the book she has coming out. Come on do it it will sell more books sue her it is really unbelievable that bill barr is being used like this. And you know, our rule of law in this country, the department of justice, the fbi, everything that entails what damage that donald trump and bill barr have done to that institution. Lets hope its recoverable in the next administration, but it is serious damage that has been done. Absolutely. And if you dont believe me, ask the career people who work there, if you dont believe me, because believe me, i know many of them, and they are beside themselves. With all the flynn stuff and now this, it is really morale couldnt be lower. This democracy is precious. Its not something that can hold up if the people within it and within the pillars of it theyre not perfect. What we have is like a perfect storm, where the president has a number of stooges who will do everything for him. And i dont think we have a framework that could have ever predicted this, that could have ever predicted this type of situation where you have an attorney general who is complicit, attorney general who is literally the president s stooge, along with a Republican Congress that is complicit, that wont step up. Yamiche, i guess were a couple of days before the president s rally, putting americans lives at risk in order to have another photo op. Is anyone in the white house perhaps trying to speak the truth to the science of this, to the fact that the head of the Coronavirus Task force, dr. Anthony fauci, is saying were at the very beginning of this, this is still the first wave . Reporter no. What you have at the white house is really a circling of the wagons because the president has decided that he has to push forward and go forward with this rally because he wants to get back on the campaign trail and be around those big crowds that he loves so much to kind of go off and talk about how great his administration is. And i think what you see is dr. Anthony fauci saying yesterday that he hadnt spoken to the president in two weeks. You also have Vice President pence coming out with that op ed, writing that a second wave is something thats not going to happen and that its fearmongering. Well, what we know is that dr. Anthony fauci has told the nation very clearly, he is confident that a second wave of the coronavirus is coming. And ive been talking to people in oklahoma who are terrified. Theyre literally scared for their lives, not only that people will come and have this big gathering, but also that those people will then go out into the community, go to the grocery stores, go to other places, and infect their community. And one other thing i know its not on this topic but i want to go back to the defunding policing issue here. There is an issue with the slogan. I think there are a lot of people on both sides of the aisle who dont like that slogan. But if you look at the president s executive order, he borrows an idea from the Defunding Police activities. He talks about coresponders, that we want social workers and Mental Health officers to go if theres a person with a mental breakdown. So, even though theres a breakdown with the slogan, both parties dealing with Defunding Police, the idea of putting more resources into communities, that thats a good idea. So, i think there is really some backing if you ask the question differently. And say, if someones suicidal, do you want a Police Officer or a social worker to go to that person, most people say social worker. I think it is a lot about the wording and not the ideas when you think about the pushback that that movent ment is gettin i dont know that the movement is getting the pushback as much as the slogan is. Yamiche, it was jim clyburn who said he was worried that a lot of good causes could be damaged because of sloppy wording in the sloganeering, and he didnt want sloganeering to get in the way of those kinds of reforms, right . Reporter yes, exactly. So, its that wording that really gets because people hear Defund Police and automatically think theyre trying to abolish policing. When you look at camden, new jersey, they restructured their policing, dismantled it and rebuild it. Crime has gone down. They have more resources to help people in that community. When you look at defunding policing and look at the fact that, okay, camden disbanded their policing, people would think camden doesnt have police. Thats not what that means. So, i think jim clyburn and the chair of the democratic black caucus, karen bass, theyre very understanding of the optics and how things can go awry if people dont really understand. If you only hear the slogan, you dont understand what the activists are asking for. And of course, mika, thats what jim clyburn, karen bass and other leaders in the black caucus have said time and again. The slogan doesnt work, but certainly, there are a lot of policies and issues that are contained in the movement that are essential, that are important. Some have been used before and some have worked effectively, azam yeesh saa aas yamiche said. In camden, new jersey. They talked about doing the things barack obama was talking about doing over his eight years as president of the United States. Yeah. 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Joining us now, the chairwoman of the congressional black caucus, congresswoman karen bass of california. She is one of the house cosponsors of the justice in policing act of 2020, which is scheduled for Committee Markup this morning. Congresswoman bass is also a member of both the Foreign Affairs and judiciary committees. Good to have you on board. Thank you. We were just talking about this. And i noted that you had mentioned that the slogan defund the police was not potentially the best slogan ever, but then you apologized. I mean, even jim clyburn, you know, has stated how he feels about this. So, explain your apology, if you could, and sure. Where we really should be going with this effort. Sure, absolutely. Well, ill tell you, i never want to discourage activism. Right. Especially as somebody who spent the first part of my life as an activist. But you know what, 30 years ago, i started an organization when we saw divestment in our communities beginning, and i was so worried that we were beginning to criminalize Public Health issues, social issues, and economic issues. You know, 30 years ago, it was the height of the crackcocaine epidemic. And i think that over the years, thats what we have done. Weve shredded the safety net. Weve divested from cities. And its put more and more responsibility on police. So let me give you an example from my city. We have a jail called the twin towers. It has hundreds of inmates. We call it the most expensive Mental Health institution in our country. You hear Police Officers complain all the time that they should not have to pick up the pieces from society. And so, part of what were doing in the bill that im very excited about is that we are providing grants to communities so they can begin to look at these issues, look at how city budgets are organized, look at the resources and put them in ways that it helps the police. Because again, the police are not trained social workers. They dont want to do that work. And i think we need to look at that. So, im excited that i think the bill is bold, i think its transformative, and i think that it helps Police Officers and communities at the same time. Holding police accountable, making it transparent, and helping communities at the same time. Congresswoman bass, willie geist. Good to have you on with us this morning. Thank you. Youve taken a leadership role on this question of Police Reform on the house side, putting together this proposal, this bill. Republicans in the senate have shown some willingness to do something on this. Yes. Obviously, theyre not going as far as you would like them to go. We saw the president s executive order yesterday. There does seem to be some recognition, at least, of this moment. Perhaps its not far enough for many people. But do you see what youve proposed here making it through a Republicanled Senate and being signed by the president of the United States . Well, you know, i am extremely hopeful, and ill tell you why, because i think my republican colleagues as well as the president are mimicking our legislation. They have included a number of the same categories, but in my opinion, theyve taken the teeth out of it. And i think that this moment in our country is so critical. We have protests, you know, that have been in 50 states and in many countries around the world. The last thing in the world we need to do is to do something that is symbolic that has no teeth. For example, when the president did his ban choke holds, he basically said that you shouldnt use a choke hold unless your life is in danger. Well, why the heck would you use a choke hold to begin with . And so, thats already policy that exists. The point of our bill is to ban choke holds, is to ban noknock warrants, is to ban our to put in place a National Registry so that you dont have a tamir rice, 12yearold child lost his life six years ago by a Police Officer that had been fired by another agency, and all he did is move to another jurisdiction. And in my conversations with the fraternal order of police and other Police Unions and police chiefs, this is a common practice. When the rare case, when an officer is fired, there is nothing that prohibits them from going to another jurisdiction. So, i think what we are proposing in the bill is much stronger. This is not a moment to do something that touches along the surfaces, but really doesnt get at the core issues. Congresswoman, youve talked in the past about watching the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s as a young girl with your father and then getting into Community Activism and politics because of your experiences with that. Thats right. What do you see broadly in the streets right now as compared to the Civil Rights Movement of the 1960s . How is it different and what are we witnessing exactly . Well, you know, in a way, what happened in the Civil Rights Movement, as you remember, it was because the media went down there and exposed the brutality of the south. And today, it was the cell phone camera that really was the catalyst. Now, weve seen a number of killings and shootings and beatings with cell phone cameras, but this time, we sat and the world sat and watched a man killed slowly over eight minutes. What i see out in the streets in some cases, few black folks, predominantly white folks, wearing black lives matters tshirts. This moment has created a conversation in our country about systemic racism. And one of the things that has always been so painful and troubling to me is people who have not experienced the relationship with police that africanamericans and latinos and other people have experienced, will say, well, thats never happened to me. And so, they completely negated the experience of other people. And now, for the first time, im hearing people say, well, that hasnt been my experience with police, but i do know that other communities interact with police differently. And beginning to accept that and have that conversation to me, im thrilled by it. And i hope that the protests, peaceful, of course, i hope they continue, because those protests are going to help us get this over the finish line. So, lets bring into the conversation the president and director counsel of the naacp, Legal Defense and educational fund, cherilyn eiffel. Thank you for coming on. Within that backdrop, the president is also saying he has done more for black people than any president at all, potentially even abraham lincoln. We wont touch on that. But he touted his executive order of including things, reform for black americans that have never been tried before. Is that true . No, its not true, mika. Good morning. What we saw yesterday was a really cynical rebranding exercise by the president , and particularly cynical because the families of people who have been, unarmed africanamericans who have been killed by the police, the president had met with him. You know, this is an issue thats been going on for a very long time, and the president is late to the party. He is attempting now to try to pivot. He reads the polls also. He sees that there are protests in 50 states. We should remember, this is not disconnected from protests that began in 2014 with the killing of eric garner and the killing of mike brown. If were going to talk about the Civil Rights Movement, it was accumulative. You dont get 1963 without 19, you know, 54 with brown and without rosa parks and the montgomery bus boycott. So, this has been going on since 2014. And in 2014, in 2015, when we saw the killing of freddie gray and walter scott, this president had nothing to say about it except to talk and order and to excoriate a peaceful protester, a football player, a quarterback, who knelt quietly on the sideline to protest what people are protesting in 50 states today. So, yesterdays exercise was actually really quite appalling. And then when you read the language of the executive order, this is a president who wants to do something by executive order, is quite forceful. Think about the muslim ban. Think about some of the other immigration orders. Hes very clear and direct in what he wants. This executive order is about encouraging, and its about asking people to address. Theres no real teeth in it. This was a photo op. And around an issue this serious, for the president to stand there surrounded by Law Enforcement, no members of the community who have been talking about this issue for years and engage in this effort to kind of rebrand himself on this issue, was really, really quite grotesque, to be frank. Wow. Michael steele. Madam chair, i have a question, a broader question with respect to the politics here. Youve got tim scott in the senate thats working on a republican bill that presumably well get to see more about over the next day or so. Next week theyre going to hold a discussion and vote on it. The house, clearly, has its bill thats going. How realistic that anything that comes really close to what we need to see happening on the streets of america, to deal with policing in the black community how realistic are we to expect something this spring or summer . Because my feeling is, its just not there. I just dont see in the main the House Democrats coming to the table over tims bill and the republicans buying what the house is selling at this point. Well, ill tell you, im optimistic. I mean, when we held the hearing on the bill, my republican colleagues spent the entire time talking about Defunding Police and rioting. They didnt say much about the bill at all. And the fact that i believe that they have taken some of the major categories of the bill, mimicked the bill, as i said before, i think they took the teeth out of it. But think about a variety of issues. Think of health care. Think of guns. When we had those issues come up and when democrats proposed legislation, it wasnt as though there was alternatives proposed by republicans that mimicked that democratic legislation. So, i think the fact that were talking about the same issues in our bills, to me, im optimistic that we will get somewhere. And then, youre talking about hundreds of thousands of people around the world protesting on this . Neither one of those issues did that in a sustained manner. People have been protesting for almost 30 days, and there isnt any indication its going to stop. And 70 of the u. S. Public supports and understands what is going on and feels that we need to do something fundamental in our country to address Law Enforcement. And one of the things that i said that i like about the bill is that we are Holding Police accountable, but we are also doing things to help police. When i met with the fraternal order of police, they said they have been pushing for National Standards and accreditations for years. But theres 18,000 Police Departments around the country, and theyve been doing it in a retail manner. They, frankly, asked for our help and said, if you do this nationally, then that is going to help us as well. I dont believe that Police Officers want to work with brutal people who violate civil rights, but we have to change the culture. So, part of the bill calls for a duty to intervene. Now, the whole world watched the Police Officer shove that 75yearold man down. Now, they lied and they said he tripped, but everybody could see on video, he did not trip. That man is in the hospital today with a fractured skull and is not able to walk. If you remember that video, one of the officers reached down to render aid, and another officer pulled him away. Thats the kind of culture we need to stop. Did you hear about the black female Police Officer, actually from the same department, i believe . She interfered with one of her white colleagues a year ago who was administering a choke hold, and she was afraid the person was going to be killed. She intervened. She stopped the choke hold. What happened to her . She got fired. That part of Police Culture needs to end, and i believe that the majority of Police Officers would like assistance with that, and thats what our bill does. We hold them accountable, we end choke holds, we end noknocks, but at the same time, we also provide support for Police Officers. Sherrilyn, one of the biggest lies told yesterday was the lie that the Obama Administration had done nothing on police practices. After the Michael Brown killing, as you are very aware and i am very aware, there was a pattern and practice investigation that revealed wholesale abuses in the ferguson Police Department. And there was a Consent Order entered. This is the model that the federal government uses to go after Police Brutality and police abuse across the country. Would you explain to everyone what the Trump Administration did to the pattern and practice investigations and the Consent Orders that were in existence when they came into office . Yes. After the uprisings that followed the verdict in the rodney king case, Congress Passed the Law Enforcement misconduct act, which gives the attorney general the power to investigate systemic violations, constitutional violations, by Law Enforcement agencies. And the Obama Administration, after the Mike Brown Killing and the eric garner killing, really stepped up in the department of justice these investigations and conducted more than two dozen 25 investigations in all, 12 consent decrees, consent decrees in ferguson and in baltimore. As soon as the Trump Administration came in, attorney general sessions made clear that he did not approve of consent decrees. There was even an ever to scuttle the baltimore consent decree, which ultimately went forward because of the exceptional federal judge overseeing the case. And this administration has filed one pattern in practice investigation of one limited facility, i believe in massachusetts, one as compared to the Obama Administrations 25 pattern and practice investigations. The Obama Administration also convened a 21stcentury task force on policing, a president ial commission which met. I testified before that task force. It issued recommendations which had begun to be followed and implemented in Police Departments around the country. That document now sits on a shelf gathering dust in the department of justice, and i think few people know that attorney general barr and the president in january announced their own Law Enforcement commission. So, here we have the president yesterday issuing an executive order as though hes just come to this issue, when, in fact, he has had a Commission Meeting since january. The commission is made up almost entirely of Law Enforcement officials. They have been conducting meetings. They have work groups. There are two dozen work groups. None of them are assigned to look at the issue of Police Misconduct or unconstitutional policing. In fact, instead, they focus on what they call the crisis of respect for police. The organization i lead, the Legal Defense fund, has sued attorney general barr because we believe this commission violates federal law. But thats what the president has been doing. He has been having his own Law Enforcement commission that no one knows about meeting and engaging with Law Enforcement, not engaging with the communities of people affected, and yet, yesterday he then shows up in the rose garden as though now he is the savior on an issue that, frankly, he has contributed to the problem. This is the president who announced and said, hey, when youre arresting a suspect, dont be too gentle when you put them in the police car. This is the president who encouraged the nfl to drag a black man, peacefully protesting, off his knees and get the s. O. B. Out of there. So, this is who this president has been on the issue of policing and unconstitutional policing. And yesterday will not change that reality. All right, sherrilyn ifill, thank you. And chair of the congressional black caucus, congresswoman karen bass, thank you as well. Thank you. And coming up on morning joe and i like president xi a lot. I consider him a friend, but i like him a lot. Ive gotten to know him very well. Hes a strong gentleman, right . Anybody that is strong guy, a tough guy, very smart. President trump has a long history of praising heavyhanded leaders around the world, dictators. Well ask former defense secretary robert gates about that and so much more, just ahead on morning joe. Ive lost count of how many asthma attacks ive had. Ive been on and off oral steroids to manage my asthma. Does that sound normal to you . Its time for a nunormal with nucala. My nunormal fewer asthma attacks. My nunormal less oral steroids. 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That reengagement, weve seen an uptick but we have not seen an uptick in hospitalizations, in deaths. Its younger folks getting it. We are advising people if you are coming to the rally, if you have comor ed bidities, dont c. Watch it on tv. They told folks, they advised them to get a test before they come. Theyll pass out masks and Hand Sanitizer and do temperature checks as folks enter the rally as well. Trying to make it as safe as possible. Senator, would you recommend to your supporters that go there and the president s supporters that go there that they do wear the masks once inside . I do, actually. Again, thats going to be individual decision. The hard part about it, and ive tried to explain this to folks, you enter a large gathering like that, its hard to hear sometimes, so there will be times theyll pull masks on and off. Thats why encourage people, if you have other health issues, i discourage you from coming to the event. A lot of the folks are coming. And the state is excited about receiving the president. I dont want to dwell on this too long, but im wondering i remember mobile, alabama, in 2015 the president had, i think, an event at ladd stadium there, an outdoor event. Weve heard from Health Care Officials that an outdoor venue would be better. Are there outdoor venues that could hold this many people in the area as the indoor arena . There is the stadium at the university of tulsa thats there, obviously, in norman and stillwater, two very large stadiums that are gathering spots. As you know fully well from growing up in the south, the heat that you deal with this time of year is oppressive at times and very unpredictable. Tell me about tim scotts legislation regarding Police Reforms. Do you support that piece of legislation . Do you support that approach or is there another approach you think would be more effective . I absolutely support that approach. There are six of us that have been working together with tim scott to be able to pull this legislation together. Im one of those folks. I absolutely support this legislation. This deals with transparency, deals with Mental Health issues, deals with trying to get information to the public about whats going on, increased use of body cameras, making sure those body cameras actually stay on. If police file false reports, having some accountability on filing a false report. Theres a lot of areas we go into to make sure were providing as much accountability as we possibly can. Police reform shouldnt be a partisa partisanyish. This should be a common sense issue and cooperation between individuals in the black community, individuals across the country, private citizens and Law Enforcement to try to fix the issue. I dont find Law Enforcement that want to have bad apples in the mix. They want the accountability and transparency so the great officers, and there are many around the country, can continue to be able to protect. And those folks that are actually giving Law Enforcement a bad name are no longer there. Senator lankford, its willie geist. Appreciate you coming on this morning. You were reported to have been one of the senators in your republic caucus mates said, look, guys, africanamericans in this country clearly have a different experience with Law Enforcement than a lot of us do. We have to acknowledge that and do something about that. Do you feel the rest of the republicans in the room understand that distinction . Obviously, tim scott is the lone africanamerican in the caucus and leading the legislation. Do you believe republicans understand, number one, and believe, number two, that africanamericans have a different experience with Law Enforcement than do white americans . Let me say a couple things on this, willie. One is, yes, i do believe africanamericans have a different experience with Law Enforcement than a lot of other americans do. You can talk about that being a systemic issue, lots of issues with that. You can talk about communities with crime or whatever it may be. That is a different experience for them. I have many africanamerican friends that i have in oklahoma that have been pulled over for driving while black and they have a very different experience than i have. I have not had that type of experience to have a random pullover. Its something we need to address. And i think its something our conference understands extremely well. Let me make one side comment on this. You talked about tim scott being the lone africanamerican in the republican conference. Thats been an interesting conversation over the last couple of weeks as tim has been leading the legislation. Democrats have two black members in their conference. Republicans have one black member. That always seems to come up. The republicans have one and tims been called a token, been called all kinds of things. I just push back on my friends to say, hey not by us, senator. I understand not by you, but im just saying ive heard it enough of late that it gets frustrating to me on that. Tim has spoken out time and again when he felt that it was necessary to speak out on issues of race and if you thought the Republican Party had a blind spot there. Senator, let me ask you while were talking about tim, while were talking about policing, you also made a comment about confederate generals having bases named after them. You know, i grew up in the deep south and was talking last week about the fact, i had a blind spot about the confederate flag, i had a blind spot about confederate generals. Robert e. Lee was thought to be this Great Southern gentleman. We talked about how they all studied robert e. Lee at west point, et cetera, et cetera. Thats the southwest i grew up in. But youve come out and youve said that confederate bases shouldnt be named after confederate generals. Do you support what the military is talking about doing and removing those names . Yeah, i think wernd should study of bases all over the country and evaluate the history of that name and if theyre a good role model. Im not trying to wipe away the history of every location. We have good parts of our history, great parts of our history, and ugly, dark parts of our history. I dont think we can wipe that away and ignore that it occurred. Its good to have reminders around our nation of dark seasons in our past so well remember where weve come from. I treat that differently with things like schools and military bases. When you name a school, thats a role model for those kids that are growing up of who the school is named after. The same with the military base. You want those soldiers, sailors and marines to learn and to study and grow in their skills, and also learn about this great leader from the past, this great military leader. If that person was a confederate general or was not a successful general in many ways or a leader, then that sets an example for them. And so i want people to be able to think seriously about the role model that were setting in front of people. Senator James Lankford, thank you so much for coming on the show this morning. And just ahead, former defense secretary bob gates will be our guest. The next hour of morning joe starts right now. President obama and vice President Biden never even tried to fix this during their eightyear period. I instructed general holder to build better relations between communities and Law Enforcement. Never even tried to fix this. That means working with Law Enforcement officials to make sure their ranks are representative of the communities they serve. They had no idea how to do it. That means working to train officials, so that Law Enforcement conducts itself in a way that is fair to everybody. Never even tried to fix this. Now, weve launched a Police Data Initiative thats helping camden and other innovative cities use data to strengthen their work and hold themselves accountable by sharing it with the public. They had no idea how to do it. Im going to be proposing some new Community Policing initiatives, including up to 50,000 additional bodyworn cameras for Law Enforcement agencies. President obama and vice President Biden never even tried to fix this. Today were also releasing new policies on the militarystyle equipment that the federal government has in the past provided to state and local Law Enforcement agencies. Were going to prohibit some equipment made for the battlefield that is not appropriate for local Police Departments. [ applause ] good morning. Obvious factcheck there on President Trumps claim about his predecessors efforts to reform policing. In fact, the Trump Administration has spent much of its time unraveling those obama Administration Police reforms. You know, willie, it would be as if donald trump criticized his predecessor for not knowing how to properly walk down a ramp and drink a glass of water. You went right to the ramp. You had to do it. I think the term gaslighting has been overused in the last few years, but that is explicit gaslighting, which is to say telling us something that is true that did demonstrably not true. Obviously, president obama and his administration launched initiative to allow the Justice Department to investigate Police Departments as they did in ferguson, missouri, for example. The Trump Administration backpedaled on that, unrolled that. Shortly before that, president obama announced an initiative to stop selling surplus military equipment to Police Departments. The Trump Administration undid that as well. Theres a long list. Hes just making things up and he did it again yesterday. Good morning. Welcome to morning joe. Its wednesday, june 17th. Along with joe, willie and me, we have White House Reporter for the Associated Press Jonathan Lemire and msnbc political analyst and former chairman of the Republican National committee, Michael Steele is with us this morning. We have a lot to get to. President trumps executive order aimed at Police Reform. Well tell you whats in it and whether it goes far enough. There is a new poll out of michigan to show you this morning that has joe biden up big in that key state. And the latest on the book donald trump really, really, really doesnt want anyone to read. The Trump Administration now suing its former National Security adviser john bolton for breach of contract to delay the release of his memoir, detailing his time in the white house. We will begin with the coronavirus this morning as the death toll in the u. S. Continues to grow by the hundreds every day. Right now, there are nearly 118,000 confirmed deaths, infection rates and hospitalizations are rising in numerous states as businesses open up. The new hot spots continue to emerge in states across the south and southwest. Officials in arizona, florida and texas are all reporting their largest ever singleday increases in new cases. The new daily highs come as all three states moved swiftly to ease social distancing restrictions and allow more businesses to reopen. According to the New York Times database, there were among 20 states that have seen the number of newly reported cases grow over the last two weeks. The times reports that even taking into account the increase in testing, the rise in c confirmed cases in several sunbathed states show increased transmissions, and showing the percentage of positive tests and hospitalizations. Yesterday in florida Health Officials reported nearly 2,800 new covid19 cases. That is a record high for a single day since the start of the pandemic. Arizona reported nearly 2,400 new cases as hospitalizations there reached an alltime high. Right now over 80 of hospital beds in that state are occupied. And texas reported just over 2,600 new cases and reached a second record high for hospitalizations. There you go. Willie . Meanwhile, mika, covid19 model once used by the white house now projects more than 200,000 americans could die of covid19 by october 1st. The data comes from institute for Health Metrics and evaluation, which estimates death from the pandemic in the u. S. Could reach anywhere from 171,000 to 270,000. The prediction went up by more than 30,000 since last week. Based on the model daily deaths from the pandemic are expected to begin rising begin in september after they have begun to plateau nationwide this month for the first time. Joining us now, vin gupta, a pulmonologist who has treated critically ill covid19 patients in Washington State and also an nbc news medical contributor. Dr. Gupta, good to have you back with us this morning. What do you make of this new explosion of cases across the sun belt, texas, florida, arizona among them. Some people will point to an availability of testing, letting us know there are more cases. What do you see in these numbers . Good morning, willie. The explanation here is straightforward. Mika beautifully described it, which is cases are growing out of proportion to testing, meaning we cant attribute it to testing coming online, finally, as the Vice President wants to adescribe this to. No. This is the result of people moving around more. We know mobility data suggests people are engaging more and thats one of the reasons why. In arizona, governor ducey opened months ago. Florida and texas were on the front lines of saying, lets open to phase one. Thats having a clear consequence here. Masky is not happening anymore. At broad consensus. One in two americans, according to an axios poll say they sometimes wear a mask when they go out in public. That number actually declines if youre a republican versus a democrat. Leadership here matters. And finally i would say leadership. We dont have enough governors in those states actually sounding the alarm bells because theyre listening to what the. The and Vice President say, which is alls well, open up. So that means icu bed capacity, we dont have enough icu bed capacity. Were seeing bed capacity up in port st. Lucie, florida, in tucson. This is all concerning. Doctor, i saw last night a Montgomery Advertiser story talking about city Council Meeting where doctors went and passionately argued that they actually argued for a proposed ordinance for mandating face masks in public and it was rejected. Several doctors and others spoke out at the Council Meeting and they were in support of the proposal, but they detailed the Horror Stories of the amount of covid19 patients coming into local alabama hospitals. Jackson hospital pulmonologist told the council, quote, the units are full with critically ill covid19 patients. This mask slows that down. 95 protection from something as easy as cloth. If this continues to go the way its going, well be overrun. More doctors followed him to the microphone following the dead in montgomery, alabama, being carried out within 30 minutes of each other and doctors being disturbed when people on the street ask them if the media was lying about the pandemic as part of a political ploy. Of course, the proposal failed. Youre right. This is about leadership. These doctors, these poor doctors and nurses are working and carting out dead people in montgomery, alabama, only to have others outside the hospital asking if the coronavirus is a hoax. As we approach 120,000 dead americans. Joe, youre highlighting such an important issue here, which is us now battling this perception that were lying. That were making this all up. And this is this goes back to that point. Weve talked about this on air. Mandatory masks. Ive been criticized for going too far but now were saying, maybe thats where we actually need to be because people just cant be encouraged to do something for the greater good. So, joe, we all understand and empathize with those doctors in montgomery, alabama. Were worried its going to happen in our zip codes. Its already happened in places like seattle. Im about to enter a shift in seattle where the icus are already filled to capacity. This is a fivealarm fire here and we need the president and Vice President to acknowledge that instead of trying to encourage governors to say, hey, by the way, its all good. Talk to your citizens about testing being potentially the reason why youre seeing increased cases. 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Air force Sergeant Steven carillo is accused of gunning down Dave Patrick Underwood and the attempted murder of another officer. Authorities say he traveled with another man to oakland with the motive to kill Police Officers, which allegedly was spurred by the death of george floyd in minneapolis. The two men met on facebook and are believed to be part of a far right antigovernment extremist movement. Joining us now, nbc News Reporter ben collins. Ben, youve been looking into this Extremist Group. First, explain who they are and what do you know about them. Its a loosely affiliated group called the boogaloo. It comes from a website and the mean is civil war electric boogaloo. Thats the mask they use to hide the extremism that some of them wind up carrying out. Its a loose collection of antigovernment groups that come online and talk about guns, things like that, fantasize about the takeover of the government. And thats what drove this guy, too. Thats what weve seen. This guy was in a Boogaloo Group on facebook, which is very much allowed on facebook. He met this other fellow, and he asked him to use a van to drive him. He said we have mobs of angry people to use to our advantage. Hes talking about the protesters there. The protesters there, he just wants to start some unrest to start off some civil war or race war. Ben, its willie. Good to have you on this morning. Carillo and justice, these two men, effectively said to each other, lets use the cover of these demonstrations and some will blame the demonstrators for shooting this officer. They said, lets use that to commit acts of violence. What exactly did they do when they got to oakland . So justice claims he didnt really he didnt really have much to do with it after he said yes on facebook. Justice said, lets boogie after somebody said africa ril low sa after carillo said, lets go down there. They got in the van, drove down to the protest. Justice waited for him to shoot this federal officer. On facebook they call them soup boys which is short for alphabet soup, acronym agencies like fbi, cia, because they see them as basically enemies to the movement. After after that they shot him. A week later carillo went and ambushed two other Police Officers, threw pipe bombs at them and was apprehended by citizens. What he wrote on the hood of a car with his own blood was boog, short for boogaloo, which was im unreasonable, which is a catchphrase they use from 16 years ago who bulldozed a down over a zoning ordinance. This is a deep cut, deepseeded thing. A lot of antigovernment movements that are coalescing around this jokey thing on the internet about weaponry, guns and antigovernment sentiment. Michael steele, jump in. Ben, just to take that a little further, from your reporting, how deep does this go . I mean, you know, widespread, i get. There are a lot of different groups out there. But when you really begin to look at this, you know, through the lens of the fbi and other agencies that are really concerned about this, how deep does this go and how do we begin to unroot it, pull it out, expose it and deal with it so we dont have incidences like this, because its all mixed up in politics and it kind of gets distorted. Whats being done in that space . I can tell you federal agencies have been really worried about this for months, long before all of this started popping up all throughout the country. Three people in las vegas were arrested by the fbi because they planned to do the same thing at protests in las vegas. Some of these smaller groups, some smaller militias around the country like in new mexico where a man was shot at a protest a few days ago, that militia identifies as parts of the boogaloo movement. This is something Law Enforcement has been up on since the beginning of the year. This has been around for a year or two at this point. What do we do to stop it . Recommendation algorithms on facebook have driven a ton of this. If youre in a Libertarian Group on facebook or tea party, or guns and weaponry, ammo group, they may have driven you to a Boogaloo Group. A facebook friend of mine from high school, i swear to you, is in a Boogaloo Group on facebook. Does he know what it is . I cant tell you. The algorithm because of how it works on facebook driving you to these extremes, they were able to pick up more casual citizen members just by happenstance. When are we going to realize social Media Companies need to take some responsibility for everything, conspiracy theories and factually incorrect information. Its got to come to a head at some point. Nbcs ben collins, fascinating. Thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. Still ahead, he calls the american presidency the hardest job in the world. 60 minutes correspondent John Dickerson is here with his new book. 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So, we were honored then. We were just talking about it about a month ago when we were remembering him. And we just want to thank you forh us today. My pleasure. I want to talk about a couple of takeaways from exercise of power. And lets begin with you talking about times of the United States has made the mistake in the past of using military force to achieve goals that were nonmilitary goals. Can you give us some examples and tell policymakers how they avoid making those same mistakes in the years to come. First of all, its a pleasure to be with you all again. I would say that both iraq and afghanistan are examples that i cite in the book. They are both cases in which we achieved our initial military objective very quickly, in both countries. But then the mission expanded beyond making sure there were no weapons of mass destruction in iraq and getting rid of the taliban in afghanistan. We took on, as a mission, actually for our military, to try to change those societies, to change their culture, to bring democracy, accountability in government, modern government and so on. And part of the problem is, and i argue in the book, those ambitions were probably unrealistic, but beyond that we try to achieve them with the military. The military taking on tasks that are not necessarily military tasks, including many aspects of nationbuilding. It was that change of mission from going from a military mission to a Political Mission that created the problems that found us with 20 years of war in well, virtually both countries. So, i argue in the book, we have to be true to our values. We have to promote democracy and we have to promote human rights, but we also cant be the worlds policemen and try to impose democracy at the point of a gun. So, mr. Secretary, we, of course supposedly learned our lesson after vietnam. We all remember the weinberger doctrine updated in the 1990s by colin powell, which talked about several of those points, having a very clear objective, having a trigger point on when you leave the country, making sure you go in and support the American People while you do that. Why is it we keep repeating the same mistakes from vietnam to afghanistan . Partly i think its because people dont particularly people at senior levels and government dont read enough history. Theres not one of the problems is the absence of continuity in our government. You know, when i stepped down as secretary of defense in 2011, one of the comments i made was i was the last Senior National Senior Security person to have served president s of both parties. I had a continuity going back literally, expect for the clinton administration, back to lyndon johnson. And you remember these things. And even as we were making decisions in the obama National Security arena, i would say, you know, that didnt work under president johnson or president nixon or president carter and so on. Sometimes that makes you too cautious. Also when the fire breathers get into the situation room, those who caution counsel often get ignored. Secretary gates, willie geist, great to have you on the show this morning. You have such an interesting perspective on this when we talk about iraq and afghanistan because you were there as defense secretary from 2006 to 2011, not at the beginning of either of those wars but in the middle of them. As you talk about afghanistan and you said it was a mistake to take on this idea of a moral mission to help create a free society and change the culture of afghanistan, an exercise in futility, you say we should have been out of there in january of 2002, but at any time during your time as defense secretary from 2006 forward, did you say, guys, lets pull up and get out of here, or was it too late at that point to do that . Well, i think to a certain extent it was too late, but what we were doing at the end of the bush administration, and then through the first two years of the Obama Administration, was actually not trying to achieve the more expanded objectives but simply trying to keep the taliban from overrunning the country again. The reason for the additional troop request, both under president bush and under president obama, all of which i recommended, really had more to do with pushing them, pushing the taliban back from kandahar and eastern afghanistan than it did of achieving the broader objectives. One of my consistent messages to both president bush when i had my interview with him in the fall of 2006 and to president obama as well, was the need to narrow our ambitions and to that our objective should be limited solely to empowering an Afghan Government enough to hold onto power and keep the taliban out and that should be it. We also never had the civilian capacity in either country, in either iraq or afghanistan to try and implement the broader objectives associated with nationbuilding. Again, the reason we went for more troops was not to try and achieve the more ambitious objectives post post2002, but rather, simply, to push back against the taliban which, of course, had their sanctuary in pakistan and then the our efforts were clearly hampered by a corrupt and ineffective government in kabul. Mr. Secretary, David Ignatius has a question for you. David . Mr. Secretary, its wonderful to have a chance to speak with you. I remember traveling with you to afghanistan and iraq during those days and the difficulty of trying to support the troops and also being skeptical. I want to ask you a question very much at the moment. You said a few days ago that you thought your successor, mark esper, secretary of the defense, and general milley had really made a mistake by being with the president in Lafayette Square and expressed some concern about the politicization of the military. I want to ask you a basic question. What would be your advice for secretary esper about how to keep the military away from politics in this very, very divided time . I suspect both of them have learned a powerful lesson from the events at Lafayette Square. General milley has actually come out and apologized for being there. Personally, i believe they didnt know quite what they were getting into and then realized that they were being used for a political prop. And milley managed to avoid the photo op in front of the church, but he obviously was with the president in the park. So, i think its been a powerful lesson. Particularly the reaction that they received from former senior military officers, a couple former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff and several others who essentially pushed back and said these kind of photo opes and political events undermine the apolitical reputation and ethos of the american military. And my guess is that general milley and secretary esper will be far more cautious in the future, but also i think probably more adamant about not being exploited in political pictures. As ive described before, every president ive worked for likes to use the military as a prop, a political prop, but this president takes it to a whole new level. I think youll see them be much more cautious in the future. Frankly, i think its a lesson that will be passed down certainly in the military ranks to those coming along at in somewhat more junior positions. Its been a reminder of the importance of the apolitical nature of the american military. The military does not serve one president , doesnt serve one party, it serves the country as a whole. Mr. Secretary, it appears china is exploiting the lack of focus in the United States Foreign Policy right now, whether youre talking about hong kong or other moves that president xi is making right now, with the understanding were obviously going to be sharing the International Stage with china over the next generation. Whats the best approach for future leaders that are trying to figure out how to balance American Values with the stubborn reality that we have to get behind china if were going to succeed in a variety of areas, whether its economically or environmentally. Well, joe, i think that the primary emphasis primary assumption that underpinned u. S. chinese relations for the last 40 years or so was that a richer china would become a freer china. And i think weve seen that assumption was wrong. What we also didnt talk about was that a richer china would become a more assertive china. So, i believe were now in a generations long contest with china for influence and power around the world. And the problem is, even as we maintain a strong military, which we must and must maintain a technological advantage over any other country, the other instruments of power, this is what i write about in the book, the other instruments of power, which is where they will take place with china, Strategic Communications, economic policies, nationalism, the use of intelligence, cyber, all of those duvenltd differe those different instruments of power have been weakened since the cold war. China has built up its capabilities to an extraordinary degree. We tend to pile all of this on xi jinping but several years ago president hu invested 7 billion in building a Global Media Network for china to present its message to the rest of the world and basically insinuate chinese views across the whole spectrum of communications, really all over the world. We dont have anything like that at this point. And so we need to rebuild these capabilities. I would say we also need to restructure the way we do our National Security. I argue in the book that the 1947 National Security act, which established the current structure for National Security, has past its sell by date. We need to restructure. Theres no permanent place at the table for anybody having to do with international economics. We have nothing going in terms of Strategic Communications thats stuck away in the corner of the state department. We need to rebuild all of those capabilities and basically have some basic changes if were going to be successful in this mon mi nonmilitary contest with china as we look to the decades ahead. Mr. Secretary, a lot of people ask me what i think my father would be thinking at this time. Id rather hear what you think he would be thinking. Thats number one. You also have a section in your book that warns against speaking too kindly about autocrats. We obviously have that problem. What are the obvious and not so obvious consequences . Well, mika, you would be able to answer this question better than me, but my sense is that your father would probably have his head in his hands at this point and shaking his head. I think that i think he would say what one of my other mentors, henry kissinger, would say and the third, the trifecta, if you will, brett scrocrop, we dont have a longterm strategy for how we deal with china or even russia for that matter. Were basically taking it day by day. And so i think the chinese have a strategy and that happens to be a big strategic advantage for them right now. We need one. All right. Thank you so much, mr. Secretary. The new book is exercise of power american failures, successes and a new path forward in the post cold war world. Former defense secretary, robert gates, thank you so much. We greatly appreciate it and were honored to have you with us this morning. Thank you. Its good to be back with you. Thank you. David ignatius, i want to ask you quickly, you had lunch with dr. Brzezinski regularly. We would be remiss if we didnt ask you what dr. What you think dr. Brzezinski would be saying and what his concerns would be, because i think more than anybody else, certainly over the last decade of his life, you talked policy with him as much or more than anybody and helped write a book with him. We did often, joe and mika. The conversations were always moving. They always came back to a couple of basic points. Like secretary gates, dr. Brzezinski felt the United States had to be very careful about the use of military power. He was courageous and outspoken among people in the Foreign Policy establishment in questioning whether it made sense to invade iraq. Nobody dared to say that. And he said it loud and clear. When we would talk about where the country was going, i think his fundamental worry was that there was a fragmentation after success in the cold war in our purpose. And people were almost triumphalous. Lets invade this, lets do that. He was very suspicious in his final years about pushing too hard to too little effect against russia, a russia was increasingly back on its heels and feeling defensive. But i come back to something mika knows very well. At the center of dr dr. Brzezinskis view of Foreign Policy was the conviction that you needed to think and analyze carefully. You needed to think about the consequences of your action. You needed to not just think about the second order effects but the third and fourth. He had that gift. And i think as secretary gates said, if he saw some of whats going on now, that purports to be Foreign Policy, he would just shake his head and put it in his hands. But and he would probably tell to us take out a book of history and do some reading. Absolutely. Willie, just listening to secretary gates, we understand that after this administration ends, there is a lot of cleanup that were going to have to do. Not even with these domestic crises staring us in the day, the field of Foreign Policy where theres been four years of abuse and neglect, and an abandonment of some of our closest allies. And Foreign Policy, as david can tell you better than i can, is about creating a strategy. There hasnt been a strategy. There has been impulse from one man, from the president of the United States, to slap tariffs or to withdraw from alliances or to hold, lets say, a summit with north korea on the misguided idea that he was going to get north korea to give up its nuclear weapons. Thats not a strategy. Those are feelings, a gut reaction. As you say, there will be a lot of work, whether its a year from now or five years from now to rebuild relationships. Thats not a partisan point. Thats just true about who we are and where we are in this country. You listen to people like bob gates and people who have lived this and been through this and theyre startled by the way things have gone for 3 1 2 years. They know better than anybody that there is rebuilding to be done. Up next, our next guest says the u. S. Presidency is in trouble and that it started before the election of donald trump. 60 minutes correspondent John Dickerson joins us. As we go to break, a quick programming note. The premier league is back in action today. Watch live as coverage begins at 1 00 p. M. Eastern on nbcsn. Saturdays match between bornmouth and Crystal Palace is the live sporting event on peacock, the new streaming service from nbc universal. Joes team, liverpool, returns to play chasing their first ever premier league title this sunday on fathers day. What a great present. Yes. Happy fathers day. Best dad ever. Go to peacocktv. Com to learn more. Morning joe is back in a moment. 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You know what i used to say, how easy it is to be president ial, but id be out of here right now. Youd be so bored because i could stand up, right . I can stand up. [ applause ] im very president ial. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for being here tonight. President trump with his demonstration of how demonstration of how easy it is to be president ial. Our next guest says its actually the hardest job in the world. Joining us now is 60 minutes correspondent John Dickerson. The hardest job in the world the american presidency in which he argues that the american presidency has become an overburdened, misunderstood, almost impossible to do job. And that we need to reevaluate how we view the presidency, how we choose our president s and what we expect from them once they are in office. Thats kind of a tall order. It is a tall order. John, thank you so much for being with us. Theres this wonderful moment when Winston Churchill who, during 1940 basically has all the levers of government at his command. He finally gets fdr to agree to do something aggressively to help britain, to save them from their final destruction and fdr comes up with the idea at the end of 1940, and they keep waiting for it to pass. Finally it passes the house. The british people are up at like 3 00 in the morning, listening in homes that have been bombed by the germans, like listening to updates, wondering why the president cant just do what he wants to do and even our closest allies did not understand that it then had to get through the senate and then get signed. It is so extraordinarily difficult for people even outside of our country, close allies, who understand how madisonian democracy makes that job much harder than it looks to outsiders. Thats right. Churchill said democracy gets to the right solution after it exhausts all the other alternatives, which must have been inspired in part by what he thought was fdrs incredibly tardy response, but what fdr says, i cant go faster than the American People will let me. And if he had rushed to britains defense in a more fullsome way, he would have lost a country that was still coming out of its isolationist feelings. So that balance you put your finger on is part of one of the tensions in a job. Of course, the job since then has become so much harder. But we see that tension today in terms of when we look at president ial action. People want robust, fast moves by the president , but the president has to be president of the whole nation, not just the presidency of the constituency thats yelling at him most loudly. Willie is with us and has a question. Willie . Hey, john, good to see you this morning. Congratulations on the book. You have such interesting passages in there about president ial campaigning and the implexes of that, for who we choose to do a job and that the questions we ask and what we require of candidates dont necessarily fit whats asked and required of the president , once he gets into the oval office. So, how do we get that wrong . Because president ial campaigning, not just with President Trump, but going back for generations, has effectively been a branding exercise. Say the right things, have the right look, appeal to the right constituencies. How do we do a better job of matching candidates to the job of being president . Well, i think what we can do is recognize that the job is basically a job to handle big, high stake surprises that come out of nowhere, that you dont expect. In the 2000 election, the word terrorism came up once in the three president ial debates between al gore and george w. Bush. It was not pulled on the entire election. After wilson was elected, he thought he would have a domestic presidency. He ended up having to wrestle with world war i. You were talking about dr. Brezenski earlier. One of the high stakes surprises happened to him in 1979. He gets a call in the middle of the night saying 200 soviet missiles have been launched. He is getting ready to call the president saying we should retaliate. Were experiencing at least three of them now. You have to prepare your presidency for that. You need to have a sense of priorities, a sense of how to build an organization. You need to be able to handle yourself in a pinch, have a temperament that can handle these kinds of shocks. If we focus more on those and less on the ratings and less on the ability to get a rally up in arms, then perhaps we move the campaign a little more to focusing on whats required in office and less on whats required to keep everybody tuned in. John, david igna krchcius ha question for you. David . John, congratulations on the book. Its terrific. One of the things that you say thats haunting to me is that we count on president s for the quality of restraint. And as i think about it, we have such an unrestrained and chaotic political situation, dependent on the unrestrained incumbent in the white house. How do we create norms that make a president restrained and responsible in office . David we talk a lot about president ial character. One of the things i did if in the book was go back to those basic ideas and say what does it really mean, character . Thats where restraint came in. Wilson, the political scientist said its self control and empathy, both of which require restraint. Lets think about the racial unrest happening in america right now. A president who represents the whole country has to have empathy for that portion of the country that may not be in his base. He has to restrain himself from appealing just to his base and doing things he may think are in his political self interest and take seriously the feelings and rights of people who are not in his constituency and speak in that national role. That sometimes requires a kind of restraint. You also need restraint to know that important things that may be a big surprise and hit you later like a pandemic should be something you focus on when they havent hit you. You shouldnt focus on the day trading, as joe calls it, of politics, but focus on the longerterm things that will come and confront you. Once they confront you, you cant get your act together in the middle of a crisis. We talk about it more, ask candidates about when theyve shown it in their lives. The new book is the hardest job in the world the american presidency. John dickerson, thank you so much for being with us. And congratulations. Yeah, great book. That does it for us this morning. 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