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Saw it, it was impossible to close their eyes. Now you have george floyd, how many people around the country, millions of cell phones. Its changed the way people look at this. Look at the millions of people marching around the world. The world. So my point is i think people are really realizing this is a battle for the soul of america. Americans are good and virt virt virtue us people we have to Work Together wherever bigotry may appear but well make no moves by falsely labelling tens of millions of americans as racist or bigots we have to get everybody together and be in the same path. If we dont do that well have problems. But well do that. I think itll go quickly and very easily. President trump and joe biden both speaking yesterday about combatting racism. Itll go very easily and very quickly . Like the coronavirus . Okay. We have a lot to talk about today but this is a guy who is badly out of step, even with his own Republican Party. The country. Well, with the country, the renaming of bases, which the military services are willing to do, republicans are willing to do. Donald trump is standing alone more and more every single day on this issue of race, a relic from a different age as the New York Times writes this morning. Its friday, june 12th, along with joe, willy and me, we have associate editor of the Washington Post, eugene robinson. Columnist and editor for the Washington Post, David Ignatius. And nbc news correspondent carol lee at the white house. So much to get to this morning, joe. Willie, do you want to go to a rally . Would you like to go a rally right now . I want to crowd in with a lot of people 5,000 people . Yeah. Inside. I want to do that. If you want to go to a trump rally, you know, donald trump, hes so cool, he goes to he goes to a plant in maine where theyre making swabs and and he doesnt wear a mask because he thinks thats cool. Of course, they have to destroy all the work theyre doing for testing because he didnt wear it. And you remember mark meadows a couple days ago looking at the press going you look funny in your masks. Jake sherman said, yeah, because we dont want to die. Its this fake macho b. S. Theyre trying to pull off. But heres the deal, donald trump, in the immortal words of ross perot, when the rubber meets the road, when it has to do with Donald Trumps money, suddenly he believes in science. Ive seen the light. Ive seen the light. Praise the lord, ive seen the light. The message on the Campaign Website for reelect donald trump, commander in chief without a mask says this. If you want to register for his rally in tulsa by clicking below, you are acknowledging an inherent risk of exposure to covid19 exists in any public place where people are present by attending the rally you and your guest voluntarily assume all risks related to exposure to covid19 and you agree not to hold you agree not to hold you agree not to hold donald j. Trump for president inc. Or the stadium liable for any illness or injury. There is another way i could have written this. I tried to help them out with a succinct tweet, willy, and it goes Something Like this. Come to our rally. Ps, it could kill you, but thats your problem. Wow. Oh my gosh, where to begin with that. That was stunning reading by the way, very dramatic. Well done. I dont want to go to any rally at a packed arena. I barely go to the stop n shop, so i dont want to go to tulsa or anywhere with the state of the disease right now. This bach center, you say it has cancelled its concerts well into july, deep into july. They had bon jovi coming in, poison coming in on the 23rd for heavens sake, those have been postponed because of coronavirus because they dont want people packed into their arena, now a week from today, the president is planning the rally, hes not going to cancel it given everything swirling around it, the coronavirus, so instead of canceling it they put a disclaimer at the bottom of their website that says if you walk through those doors you are signing any right to sue us, the arena, anybody else if you come down with the coronavirus from being inside a packed arena. Gene, seriously, they do this fake macho thing which i never realized denying science was macho, but they do this fake macho thing, denying medicine, you know, and then when push comes to shove, yall sure do look funny in your masks. Yall sure look funny. And donald trump trying to be macho by being the only person not wearing a mask while everybody else is wearing a mask while theyre trying to get enough swabs, they have to destroy all that. But when push comes to shove, rubber meets the road, has to do with Donald Trumps money he says coming to my rally could kill you and if you come im not responsible. Sign right here. If you Pay Attention to me and do as i say and do, of course you dont have the secret service around you all the time, youre not being tested regularly for covid19 and having the people around you tested for covid19. So youre not in the bubble im in. So im not particularly worried, but all you, you know, from my loyal base, my Great American people, you just might die if you come to my rally. And so, dont sue me. Its just you could not make this up. You could not make this stuff up. You really couldnt. You really cant make it up. I thought it was a joke when i saw it. I tell you, its poison. Thats unbelievable. Make America Great again but try not to die while youre doing it. Its hashtag make America Great again but you might die and were not responsible. You mentioned the article that talked about trump being out of step with the country. As paul mccart any said like a relick from a different age. An effort to remove the name of confederate leaders from military bases is gaining strength from both sides of the aisle. The Republican Senate has adopt adopted an amendment that they rename bases named for confederate generals. And the president tweeted yesterday saying she just introduced an amendment on renaming many of our legendary military bases from which we trained to win two world wars. Hopefully our great republican senators wont fall for this. Is that a threat . But on capitol hill a number of republicans signalled theyre open to the renaming bases. I do not think we ought to try to rewrite history. I think its always appropriate to review the people and places we honor to see if they fit the context of times in which we live. I think we should look long term at what that means. Ive been outspoken on things like schools. I dont think schools should be named after confederate leaders and generals. The message is if were going to have bases throughout the United States, i think it should be with the names of individuals who fought for our country. We dont want to forget our history. We dont want to forget whats happened in the past. But at the same time, that doesnt mean that we should continue with those bases, with the names of individuals who fought against our country. Republican senator roy blunt also said yesterday he had no problems with changing the names of military bases. He said if you want to continue to name forts after soldiers there have been a lot of great soldiers who have come along since the civil war. Braxton bragg, who was honored at the base in North Carolina was, quote, probably the worst commanding general in the entire confederate army. Hes an interesting guy to name a fort after. Gene, you kind of, first of all, lets just put the confederacy issue aside. You really cant, they need to rename it. But even if these guys had fought in the frenchindian war, theyre losers, they lost. I thought donald trump likes winners. Theyre on the wrong side of history, wrong side morally, and they lost militarily. They werent any good as generals and they lost the war, and they literally should be confined to the dust bin of history. Its just a it has always been the weirdest thing. What other nation names its army bases for the enemy. For traitors who fought against the United States of america. You know, you dont have you dont have like fort hitler in france. I mean, its just, its ridiculous. And always has been. But its fascinating that the president s reflex to say, no, never, theyre tough guys and this and that, and to think that somehow thats going to be the position that his base wants and hes going to ride that to, you know its another wedge in the culture war that he can revive when the whole country is saying, no, you know, this is kind of a no brainer. So when you have langford and these other republican senators saying, yeah, its probably time to get rid of those names. Where is donald trump these days . Hes inside his own head, i guess. But where is he . Hes not paying attention. Stopped asking. The guy is on his own. He is isolated and hes isolating himself from members of the Republican Party on the issue of race. Hes isolating himself from military leaders on the issue of race. Hes isolating himself from people in his own cabinet. As america shifts on racism, the New York Times writes, trump digs in. This is a guy, its his problem. Its why his polls have dropped so much, why hes 39 Approval Rating in a lot of polls, because since this began, he started talking about, you know, shooting people. When the looting starts, the shooting starts. Talking about his vicious dogs he was going to sick on protesters. We remember what happened on june the 1st. Well talk about how general milly apologized yesterday for being there. He is off on his own right now. And for some reason, he is digging in. I do want to talk, David Ignatius, about the militarys response. Weve seen since june the 1st. June the 1st, a bad day for milly, for the sec def. But youre seeing examples of where the military leaders and retired military leaders, generals and admirals, the military standing apart. And the military, first of all, yes, apologizing for mistakes made on june the 1st, but also a lot of military leaders talking about the importance of independence from politics, all politics. And now, on this issue of confederate names on bases, david once again a moderating influence on donald trump. Joe, it really is a transformational moment on so many different levels, and the militarys forthright statement to the country, we do not want to be dragged into politics, thats we have no place being there. American troops should not be called in to suppress demonstrations by american citizens. General milly couldnt have been clearer in that. I found it riveting to see that big guy, looking right at the camera in his graduation speech online to the National Defense university and make an apology, the likes of which im not sure ive ever heard. Probably show it to viewers. David why dont we show it right now. David, well show it right now. Good. And you comment on it. Lets run it. As Senior Leaders everything you do will be closely watched. And i am not immune. As many of you saw the result of the photograph of me at Lafayette Square last week, that sparked a National Debate about the role of the military in civil society. I should not have been there. My presence in that moment and in that environment created a perception of the military involved in domestic politics, as a commissioned uniformed officer, it was a mistake that i have learned from. Boy, i tell you what, david. What a great message to every one of those men and women he was speaking to. And also to troops across the Armed Services. Yes, we all make mistakes. Its how you respond to that mistake that matters. And in this case, general milley, lets take the pictures down, we get the idea, in this case, general milley said, yeah, i crewed up, i screwed up. I screwed up bad. Im going to make sure it doesnt happen again. A splendid example from the joint chiefs. It was extraordinary just to say that boldly. I should not have been standing there. I should not have been doing this. By extension because hes the chairman of the joint chief of staff saying to every single man and woman in uniform, you shouldnt be in any position that compromises your independence. This is not us. He risked getting fired when he said that. I think general milley has known from the beginning that he had to separate himself from President Trump. He was deeply embarrassed, almost ashamed, of having appeared in uniform on that day after the tear gas, walked across the street, and milley knew hed done the wrong thing and trying to signal first in a message he sent to the troops the next day and consistently arguing to the president , do not send us in. There were troops ready to go into washington, the third infantry regiment had been mobili mobilized. The 82nd airborne had been flown up from fort bragg, ready to go into our streets. And milley and some others stood against that and said this is a mistake, do not do this. Here hes taking account of his own mistake, having stood in uniform. This is symbolic of this is a transformational moment, the military doesnt do this. Milley is saying, okay, if you dont like what im saying you can fire me, but im not going to betray the basic ideals and principles of our military. Im not going to do it. I know a lot of people can look back to june the 1st, and criticize the general for what he did. Id rather them look at what he did yesterday. Because there has been a concern. Its been a quiet concern, but there has been a concern that if donald trump was not reelected that he would somehow use the military to stay in power. Ive always thought that was absurd, and i always said i thought that was absurd because i knew the men and women that ran the armed forces of the United States and have for a quarter century and they would never allow that to happen. Thats what we saw yesterday. No man is above the law and no politician is going to work with the military to actively get them involved in a political campaign. Hey, willie, a side note here, as we look at David Ignatius shot, im hoping that room raider will take note that if you take out the brother printer, the lighting looks a bit like from a 1960s french existential film. I think he should get a nine out of ten for that. He just walks on through the rain. He looks great. It is very good. A remarkable performance by david despite the fact his lighting is not help him out right now but it will help him on room raider. Most people would see that lighting as a deduction on room raider. Whats that, david . That sun is coming up here high above washington d. C. Ill close my curtain in a minute and room raider will be happy. Im sorry. I like it. Its mysterious. Go ahead willie, im going to let you segue out of that one. I have nothing for french existential film to carol lee talking about general milley. According to people i talked to and you have the piece right now that its been an agonizing ten or 11 days for general milley he said he was led to believe he was going out to survey the National Guard troops outside the white house to shake hands and then he was walked to the church and made a part of the photoop. What brought him to yesterday morning that he said i should not have be there. We knew that he was very upset about what happened. What we learned is he actually considered resigning over this. He was calling friends and mentors of his that night after this photoop and essentially talking through what happened. And raising the question of whether this was something he should resign over. He spent a lot of that night looking at social media and News Coverage of this and was really distraught over it. Defense officials told us that he stayed up most of the night looking through social media and really was taken aback by all of the criticism and a lot of the criticism was public. We also learned he came under a lot of criticism in part because he wore his combat fatigues. A defense official told us what happened on that monday he was on his way to the fbi office, where the command center for monitoring the protest response, and he was wearing his combat fatigues he thought he would be there for a while. He got called to the white house for the president s rose garden statement. He didnt change, he didnt have a change of clothes in the car. The aide said it didnt make sense to go to the pentagon to get his dress uniform and thats why he appeared in the combat fatigues. We know clearly whats striking about his comments at his commencement address is that he didnt want the next generation and the current military officials to think this was okay. That he felt this was very wrong. Now he decided that he wasnt going to resign. One thing we dont know yet is whether the president knew he was going to say this and how the president feels about it. If you look at recent history how upset he was with secretary of defense mark esper for distancing himself about that photo op, but the president has a different relationship with general milley who hasnt been on the job for a year yet, the president really likes him. So whether he takes the same stance with him that he did with esper remains to be scene. Theres an extraordinary scene in your story inside the oval office you have the president , Vice President , secretary esper there, and attorney general barr along with general milley where the president begins to make the case putting active duty military into the streets of the country and at that point general milley becomes quite animated in making the case against that, according to your reporting. Yeah, he wasnt alone. It was also the defense secretary and the attorney general who thought that now wasnt the time. He really was adamant about this, according to people we talked to. That just sets the tone for how that day began for general milley, that was a meeting in the morning in the oval office with the president , Vice President , defense secretary, attorney general, other aides and he got very fired up, is how it was described to us, and was shaking his fist at one point to make his point saying this is not okay. This is not what you should do. And ultimately the president backed down for the time being. But and the way this president tends to do, ill hold off for now but ill do it if you guys dont take care of it. And what ensued was a scramble by the defense secretary and others to get governors to move in National Guard troops so the president wouldnt use active duty troops. And you have the National Guard in there so he wouldnt have to do it. Carol lee, thank you very much. Mika as you talk about the president sort of standing alone its a big measure where you are right now that lindsey graham, yes lindsey graham, yesterday said i support general milley, i support his statement in the substance and spirit. He was right about this. The president was wrong. Good. Wanted to read a little bit from that article. The New York Times writes, whether its suggesting shooting protesters or sicking dogs on them, defending the confederate names of military installations or arguing that his supporters love the black people, mr. Trump increasingly sounds like a cultural relic, detached from not just the left leaning protesters in the streets but also the countrys political middle and even some republican allies and his own military leaders. They continue, while mr. Trump has a long history of making insensitive and tonedeaf comments on race, including remarks widely seen as racist, he has never appeared more isolated on a dominant social and political moment in the country. Hunkered down at the white house, hiding, tweeting conspire theories about injured protesters and describing demonstrators as thugs. He regularly uses harsh and violent language that no other american leader employs, defending white supremacist and defenders of white supremacist rather than the views of americans at polls. At a time when the country is confronting three overlapping crises. Trumps inability to demonstrate empathy illustrates the limitations of his political arsenal. And that lack of empathy, joe, that is predominant in all of these crises, from coronavirus to rational unrest. He just doesnt get it. He is so disconnected from the main stream of america and thats now including from the United States military, not only the leaders but the rank and file on these issues. But also, a growing number of evangelicals, certain growing number of white catholics. If you look at the polls. And, you know, the New York Times talked about his harsh and violent language, we remember that and played clips of it during the campaign when he talked about he liked the good old days when people got knocked down and take them out on stretchers and if you beat up that guy ill pay for your legal fees. And, of course, its continued, but in the middle of these protests. In the middle of this unrest, after the president has seen that his poll numbers have collapsed, talking about shooting people that are protesting, vicious dogs being sicked on people outside of the white house, you would think he would see his poll numbers drop and understand hes got to take a different tact. June the 1st, again, is going to be a day thats going to be its going to be that day, i believe, that historians look back and say, you know, maybe at one point donald trump could have gotten away with shooting somebody on fifth avenue and his supporters would still love him, but he couldnt get away with what he did on june the 1st, clearing out Peaceful Protesters, lying about it, having his people lie about it, and saying they didnt use chemical agent s on them, beatig people up, beating up our allis Media Outlets who were not provoking them at all, all to hold up a bible in a bizarre way that a republican senator said hed never seen anybody hold the bible that way and he reads the bible that way. And precip tow drop, 39 Approval Rating, a 58 disApproval Rating. Headtohead matchups, hes losing anywhere from 8 to 12 percentage points. And yes, its early. But there are a hardening of attitudes around donald trump and he continues to use the harsh and violent language the New York Times was reporting about in a way thats going to continue to hurt him politically. I must say, even cynically speaking, i dont understand why he keeps doing it. Like yesterday. He was actually at a round table with faith leaders and Law Enforcement officials and Small Business owners at Gateway Church in dallas. Yeah. The president yeah. No. He praised the National Guard. Said he admired the ease at which they forcefully cut through the crowds good lord. In minneapolis. Take a look at this. Minneapolis they went through three nights of hell, and then i was insistent on having the National Guard go in and do their work, and it was a miracle, it stopped. Its not supposed to be a beautiful scene, but to me it was after you watch policemen running out of a police precinct. But we are proud of the fact i called said im sorry we have to have them go in. They went in and it was like a knife cutting butter, right through. Ill never forget you saw the scene, in that city, minneapolis, they were lined up, boom, they just walked straight. And yes, there was some tear gas and probably some other things and the crowd disbursed and they went through. It was a short evening, everything was fine and you didnt hear too much about that location having problems anymore. Wow. You know, i remember back in december of 2015 when donald trump was talking about muslim bans and muslim registry, i asked is this what germany looked like in 1933. You always have to be careful of course using analogies that line this president up with anybody. So i wont say that the president of the United States saying that it was a beautiful thing, police cutting through marchers like a knife cutting butter, i wont say thats fascist, i will leave that to our viewers to go back in history and see what fascist leaders have said about if anybody said anything similar to it was a beautiful thing like knife cutting through butter. Ill say this, if you cant find examples of fascist leaders talking about violence against protesters that way, please, your homework assignment for the weekend if you so choose to take it is to find an american president thats ever talked like this. But we are very proud of the fact that i called, i said im sorry, we have to have them go in. They went in. And it was like a knife cutting butter. Right through. Ill never forget. You saw the scene. On that road, wherever it may be in the city, minneapolis. So, David Ignatius good lord. Youre going to get the assignment first. Have you ever heard of a sitting american president , have you ever heard of a major politician in america, a National Politician in america, certainly in the last 20, 30 years, glorifying Police Violence against protesters . And saying it was a beautiful thing, it was like a knife cutting through butter . He just doesnt understand that he is talking about american citizens who, for the most part, were peacefully demonstrating their rights as citizens. Hes just so completely out of touch with that. And the thing, joe, that i find encouraging is that hes out of touch with where most americans seem to be. The language that hes using that you sometimes worry animates his base, animates many millions of people, it just doesnt seem to be working this time. You have nascar, i mean, nascar traditional American Institution as you can find saying no more Confederate Flags, thats it, weve had it. Youve had republicans lining up saying we should rename some of the military bases, its just not right. I have been interviewing corporate leaders, the president of microsoft yesterday, the ceo of salesforce a couple days before that. Hearing how they look at their companies and their thousands of workers and they say were never going to be the same again. Microsoft is thinking how do we invent technology to help citizens hold their police more accountable . We get it. We know america has changed in these months were a different place. And donald trump, in a way that ive never felt is an outlier. He uses language, as you say, that i cant ever remember a president using language like that. But the point to me more is that other people arent using it. That he is standing alone. And that should give us encouragement as we head towards november. This isnt popular. America is in a different place than the president right now. Republicans arent most republicans are not following the president here. Theyre calling him out. In many cases military leaders, rank and file military people are as well. And yes, there is i can think of no president , i can think of dictators that have glorified violence against protesters but certainly no american president thats ever done that. And willie, again, the president is talking about shooting protesters, sicking vicious dogs on black people who are protesting outside of the white house, or if not specifically black people, certainly for a march for black rights, for civil rights just like bull connor did in birmingham in the 1960s. And now yesterday again at a evangelical church, at an evan gel cal church, talking about how it was a good thing that the police cut through americans protesting like knife through butter. It might not be beautiful to a lot of people, but it was beautiful to me. Wow. That is, again, something can correct me if im wrong, that seems deeply offensive and unamerican. Maybe there have been examples of other president s who have spoken that way about american citizens. But like a knife cutting through butter. Its just this is a president increasingly isolated, increasingly alone, and i just dont understand i dont understand i just dont understand it on so many levels. But again weve always been told that donald trump is playing three dimensional chess. Weve always been told he understands the electorate better than everybody else. Weve been told he has this gut instinct that gets him over the finish line. Aoff. I have to say, no, no, no. Certainly not in this case. For a guy who seemed to understand the electorate and how to win in 2016, using some of his darkest and most cynical impulses to win the election. He doesnt have any sense whats happening in the country right now. Gene robinson if you look at where the country is moving right now, the president has always counted on saying something outrageous and letting his people fall in behind him because hes him, he said it. Now you have republican senators saying, no, we should rename these bases named for c confederate soldiers. The statue of davis and lee probably should come down. You have military leaders saying no that photo op that you used the military and cleared a plaza to hold up a bible, wasnt a great idea. Theres a new yahoo poll out that showed 52 of americans now support nfl players rights to kneel for the anthem. In 2016 when Colin Kaepernick did it, that number was 26 . Theres something happening in the country right now that is undeniable and the president is flatfooted on it. Hes more than flatfooted. Hes totally clueless. We have to look at the the simplest explanation is probably the correct one. This is who he is. Its not an accident that hes using fascist language, its not. If he were running to be president of the Confederate States of america, hed be doing okay. Because only really angry white guys would be eligible to vote. And thats he seems to want to old white guys. He seems to want to reduce his constituency to that. And its not, of course, three dimensional chess, its not some deep feel for the american electorate. Its that thats his this is who we have as president of the United States. No, weve never we cant remember a president talking about violence against a law abiding americans in the way that he talked about that, you know, a knife through butter, no, weve never heard that because nobody has ever done that. Nobody has ever spoken that way. This is a deeply apparent president in every sense of the word and he is so out of touch with the country. Hes made a sermonlike statement about the bases, for example. He came out, well never consider renaming the bases. And now his own party is moving in that direction. Yet he basically cant. Hes already ruled it out for all time. How is that smart politics . Theres nothing smart about it. Its crazy, and awful and maybe it will soon be over. A lot more to get to. If you can believe it. Coming up, at least one major u. S. City is preparing to reimpose lockdown orders following a spike in coronavirus cases. Well have that and much more ahead. Well have that and much more ahead. Its the 11 05 endlessorders migraine medicine the 2 20 backtoback calls migraine medicine its called ubrelvy the migraine medicine for anytime, anywhere a migraine attacks without worrying if its too late or where you happen to be. One dose of ubrelvy can quickly stop migraine pain and debilitating symptoms in their tracks within two hours. Unlike older medications, ubrelvy is the first pill of its kind to directly block cgrp protein believed to play a role in migraine attacks. Do not take with strong cyp3a4 inhibitors. Few people had side effects, most common were nausea and tiredness. 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Now were starting to hear that the first wave never went away and almost half the states in this country are seeing spikes. The last count i saw was 21, and its going up regularly. So were seeing some cities show the highest counts theyve had yet. This summer, where we thought the heat would bring some safety, it isnt turning out to be the case. In fact, a lot of the states that are hotter, the states that use air conditioners are seeing spikes in their cases as we speak, mika. Willie . Dr. Gupta, its willie, good to have you on this morning. Obviously the country has averted its eyes to another issue for a couple of weeks, rightly so but you as a doctor have not been averting your eyes youre watching whats going on with coronavirus, what continues to happen. Where are we right now . I think a lot of people think we turned a corner and it may be safe to go back out and resume our lives this summer, but how do you put it . Where are we right now . What i would say here is you flashed the Surgeon Generals comments. Im not sure where hes getting his data, maybe the president or the Vice President , but not dr. Fauci or dr. Birx because the curve isnt flattening in 22 states at least. Globally were seeing alarming findings not far from us, brazil, mexico. And in places like europe, africa and asia. We should be concerned about the Global Landscape which means one the fall wave is probably going to be an august wave. Are we in phase two of the first one . Doesnt seem like it really went away. Unlike march when there was an appetite to say okay well yield to intrusive measures on our lives, well not go to work. And the economic attachment that incurred. We dont have that runway anymore. We dont have the ability to say you have to stay home or mask. Governor kemp in georgia saying no more masking in restaurants, made no sense. Dr. Campbells point, temperatures is not going to bring a reprieve. Im about to go to a shift in the icu, arizona icus are completely packed. That to us is very worrisome here. You add protest, peoples lack of appetite to comply with masking anymore, people are getting tired. This is alarming, were not flattening the curve, the curve is reexpanding and we need to talk about about it, and the Surgeon General should be at the tip of the spear not trying to say its better. Its been flattened in some of the hot spots like new york city which got so much of the attention in the early days and weeks of this crisis. So what do we do now . We talked about testing for three months. That talk has sort of subsided as if testing is readily available to everyone who wants it. Is testing still the most important part of the story, dr. Gupta, and where are we on testing . Its always going to be important and thats a fact of life in a pandemic. I think theres two things we can do upfront, three things rather. I dont think this is ever going to happen at this point. We need the president and the Vice President to not undermine the adversaries of the Public Health world. We have the president about to have a super spreader event in tulsa. The fact hes asking for informed consent of his supporters in a rally where theres no social distancing or masking is egregious. Thats what i do before a procedure in the icu because there might be harm but theres benefit. Whats the potential benefit to the supporters. We need to stop that, ban political rallies, encourage masking, make it mandatory, and contact tracing. Im worried about the ability to scale contact tracing. That requires public trust. I believe in our institutions and leadership, if you dont have it, it doesnt matter if its its an app or a human being. Thats what we need to focus on, that needs high level leadership. I want to extend the question to dr. Dave, i know he has the same concerns that dr. Gupta has. But there are also political protests taking place around the country and a lot of Health Officials have expressed concern that the coronavirus can be spread among those protests. So dr. Dave, what should people do if they want to participate in these protests or go to a rally to protect themselves. Is it possible . It is somewhat possible. I think the first thing that they should do is, think seriously and hard about whether they should go or not. Think about whether they have someone at home thats older that has an Underlying Health condition. Think about whether theyre a Health Care Worker that has to go back to a clinical area and may have been exposed during a protest or a rally or at a theme park theme parks are opening up in florida. So the first thing to do, in my opinion, is think really hard about what youre about to do, and weigh, as dr. Gupta said, the risk versus the benefit. And then if you go, wear a mask, dont share your water, your food, try to socially distance. Dr. Wynn told us how you can make these buddy groups where you have several protesters or friends or family that youre hanging out with anyhow and stick together and try to isolate from others around you as much as possible, 6 feet does not seem to be existing in a protest. And when youre all done with your protests or your theme park or the rally for President Trump, go get tested. Get tested so you can know whether you have converted to being positive for the coronavirus so you dont then spread it to others at home or at work or around you, mika. Doctors vin gupta and dave campbell, thank you both for being on this morning. Finally, dave your latest column in the Washington Post is entitled, mike pompeo offers a telling explanation from for why he fired steve linnic. You write, pompeo likes to be the boss and advertises his s g swagger as pompeo likes to say, but he chafes at the essential reality that he is a Public Servant and linicks duty was to question him. Inspectors general like linick are paid to be meddlesome, theyre supposed to be intrusive and sometimes a little disrespectful of authority. Cabinet secretaries like pompeo are paid to take the heat and to remember always that they are the servants of the people, not their master. And david, if you could expound upon this, because it seems mike pompeo has he doesnt seem to understand his role and this is a confusion that many cabinet secretaries and people who work for trump are struggling with. So i said in the lead to that column, mika, that pompeo had made a telling comment in explaining why he fired linick, supposedly the watchdog, the auditor, the publics representative in effect. And pompeo said, he works for me, he works for me, im the head of the agency, and i didnt think he was doing a good job. He doesnt work for the boss. He works for the American People. He is these inspectors general are in 80 different agencies to try to make sure that money is not being wasted. That people are not diverting public funds for their own personal use. One of the things that linick has been investigating is whether pompeo used a staff person who was with him in his District Office in wichita, kansas from 2010 to 2016, brought her to the cia as chief of protocol, now a Senior Adviser at the state department. Has she sometimes been doing little personal odds and ends, errands, walking the dog for pompeo. As i say in the column, walking the boss dog is not a capital crime. Its a petty thing that most cabinet secretaries are smart enough not to do because they know somebody is going to pick up the phone and say, this isnt right. Pompeo doesnt seem to understand that. Hes got the weakness of this temper, the temper blew on this subject and i think we dont we have not heard the end of the tail of the Inspector General linick. David, thank you very much. Coming up when politics collides with Public Health. 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Ive had 144 alltime high stock markets during a three and a half year period, nobody has ever come close to that and were going to do it again, but its going to be stronger than last time when i would say that two, three months ago, ive always done well with numbers but i had a feel for it. The other day i was saying i think were going to have a tremendous next year, its going to be a phenomenal next year. I thought we would start in august, september, but it started very early. Its an amazing thing. President trump glor fieing the stock market one week ago. Yesterday fears of a possible surge in coronavirus cases sent the stock market tumbling, pulling the dow down 1800 points for the worst day since march. The s p 500 slid 5. 9 . While the nasdaq dropped 5. 3 . Concerns about a second wave of coronavirus has risen as u. S. States push deeper into reopening. Top officials believe the economys recovery from the pandemic fuelled recession will be slow and uneven. Willie, as you know, we mainly focus on the dog tracks, the dogs, we bet on the dogs, we made that decision a long time ago we would not invest in mutual funds but instead wed bet on the puppies and try to get a nest egg for our childrens college fund, but even i i dont understand how people on wall street could have been surprised in this second we have a wave. First of all, the stock market has been continuing to go up despite the fact weve had one epidemiologist and one medical professional after another saying were just in the second inning of this, were just in the third inning of this. Its the science. They woke up yesterday and decided to listen to science and medicine . Truly, i dont get it. These numbers have been sort of gravity defying. Yeah, and first of all, joe, were playing the long game when we bet the tracks. I know its been slow lately but look over the horizon, its going to be fine. Trust me, its going to be fine. The market that the president has hung his hat on, because theres no other Economic Indicator which to hang his hat these days given the unemployment and jobs problem in the country plunged yesterday 1,800 points almost 7 the dow was down yesterday. If youre going to put your eggs in the Market Basket you have to ride the ups and down, tout it on a good day you have to take your lumps on a bad day. But the president was obviously counting on the economy three months ago to carry him to reelection. Unemployment was historically low, 50 year low. Now he has coronavirus and everything he brought with it and he doesnt have that. So he celebrates the oneday blips of the market but unfortunately for him it can go down the next day and its not reflective of how a lot of peoples lives are going in terms of personal economy. Some Companies May be doing well one day but too many people do not have jobs and that continues unabated at this moment. Can i ask you a couple questions, willie, real quickly. I know premier League Soccer is going to be starting up, basketball is going to be starting up. Whats the latest with baseball . I hear the owners have been taking a pretty tough stand but i heard the commissioner saying baseball was going to be played this year, whats the latest you heard . Nascar is back, pga is back this weekend. But baseball is having a tough time because the union has always been tough in all their negotiations, they are again right now. Its a question of how much money people are going to get, how much money the players will get for a prorated season and whether they can pull it off, which is what the nba is trying to do, put these teams in a bubble at disney world for three months and finish the regular season, and have playoffs, which as a fan sounds fun but can baseball pull it off . You follow the reporters who say theres something on the table that has promising elements, maybe they come to their senses and get some baseball for the country and then you have Players Union saying were not willing to cut our salaries. We need baseball right now, we need something, we need a game on the tv at night, and it would be nice if it were the yankees and the red sox. Its easy to knock the players, they get plaid xamount, theyre the ones going out there, taking a risk, living in a bubble, theyre the ones that make the money for the owners. Theyre the ones that bring the receipts in. I think most americans would look at a shortened season as positively as they would have looked at a complete season. This year we need baseball. The owners and players need to get together, but the players obviously are going to be taking the risks, they should be paid for it. And they shouldnt, joe, be the only league thats not playing. The nfl is going to do everything it can to come back this fall. College football, the sec they want to be playing by this fall. Then you have Major League Baseball as the only league that couldnt get its act together to come back. And even at the appearance of players not coming back over money in this these times when 44 million americans have lost their jobs, not a good look to say the least for baseball. A bad look for the players, owners, and a very boad look fo Major League Baseball. They need to figure it out. Its small compared to Everything Else going on out there but im thinking people on both sides of the political divide would like a break from everything thats going on right now and have a few hours to watch baseball and the nba, and watch other sporting events. If you sign on the dotted line, you can go to a trump rally and have a break. Theres a problem with that. There is . Yeah, you sign on the dotted line, you say, id like to go to the trump rally yeah. But i understand the Trump Campaign is telling me i could get really sick and die from it. I could get covid19 right. And im going to wave any lawsuits i have against them them itll be my fault if i make that decision. Okay. So well get to that. A lot going on on this friday. We have the Washington Posts eugene robinson. Alease jordan. And White House Correspondent yamiche al cinder. And former Senior Adviser for the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee curt bardella, a morning joe contributor. Were talking about the trump rally and, of course, people have the right to go to a rally inside if they want to. I think there are a lot of trump people saying if all these protesters can go out in the streets, why cant donald trump have rallies inside a building. Thats a good question. In fact, were concerned and have been very concerned about the rallies in the streets. Very concerned about the people who arent wearing masks, very concerned about the lack of social distancing and a lot of Public Health officials said thats going to cause a spike in the coronavirus. Well say it now like weve been saying it for months. This virus is a killer. And it doesnt care whether youre a republican, a democrat, a conservative, liberal, white, black, hispanic, asianamerican. Doesnt matter what you are, it will kill you if you come into contact with it. And you have an underlying condition or sometimes even if you dont have an underlying condition. So the mere fact that some people may have taken health care risks in the street doesnt seem to be a good justification to take more health care risks inside an auditorium but again its a free country if people want to do it, they can do it. Donald trump has told them, you can get covid19 by doing that. And if you do get covid19 by doing that, thats your problem, not ours. Heres what we pointed out in our last hour. Heres the disclaimer on the trump Campaign Website to register for the rally next week in tulsa around concerns for the coronavirus. Heres where it says by clicking register below youre acknowledging that an inherent risk of exposure to covid19 exists in any public place where people are present. By atending the rally you and a guest sol untaurly assume all risks to exposure to covid19 and agree not to hold donald trump for president inc. Ing, bok center, or any of their affiliates, divisions, agents, officers or employees liable for injury. Come to the rally, sign the waiver and if you get covid19 its not our fault. Thats what theyre asking attendees to say. Meanwhile, issues around the date of the rally. Theyre calling on him to change the date from the day that marks the end of slavery, juneteenth. Two Campaign Officials say the campaign knew of the Historical Context behind the date but are not considering changing it. Heres how the White House Press secretary responded yesterday. The Africanamerican Community is very near and dear to his heart. At these rallies he shares the great work he has done for minority communities. Hes working on rectifying injustices. Injustices that go back to the beginning of this countrys history. So its a meaningful day to him. Its a day he wants to share some of the progress thats been made as we look forward and more that needs to be done especially as were looking at this Police Reform. So not only is juneteenth, the date considered offensive but the location is as well, tulsa, oklahoma. In 1921 it was the site of a fiery orchestrated white on black massacre that killed as many as 300 people in that city. So yamiche, i know youve been reporting out the story, Jonathan Lemire in his story saying the white house knew it was juneteenth. Some said maybe considering this group they didnt know what juneteenth is or the meaning of it to people in this country, but the reporting is they didnt know and didnt imagine it was going to be a problem for so many people. This is a historic day for america, not just the Africanamerican Community, juneteenth is the day we decided to start the march toward the idea that all americans are equal. When we think about juneteenth and the end of slavery and what that means to america and then the president is going to be gathering with likely an all majority white crowd in tulsa, oklahoma. It seems the optics to a president who cares about the optics that the optics would have been seen as bad. Ive been talking to officials they didnt expect this backlash. They also, of course, were eager to have the president return to the campaign trail. Hes been eager to get back to the settings he can go on for a long period of time, be around the crowds that can love him and cheer him. This is a community that was called the black wall street. This is a community where white americans decided they didnt like the fact that black people had wealth and happiness and peace, and as a result they burned it to the ground and terrified black people out of their homes. Thats what President Trump is going into when he goes into tulsa, oklahoma. So i cannot imagine this is something thats going to be rife with protests and tension. I know the president often says he wants to be an ally to the Africanamerican Community. I think this complicates even further. The outreach hes trying to do to africanamericans who already dont trust him and think hes racist because of the plethora of things hes done in the past. I think the white house is still feeling good about this, the president doesnt want to be seen as backing down from critics and criticism but i think this is a tough one because he has to continue to explain why he wanted to do this on juneteenth which is not just a holiday for africanamericans, its a holiday for america. And then on the site of this massacre, one of the worst moments of racial violence in our country. Hes incredibly out of step with where the country is. Its becoming increasingly clear. And theres a New York Times article that talks about how the president is so out of touch with where not just democrats are and liberals are but independents and republicans and people in the military are. The New York Times this morning wrote whether it was suggesting shooting protesters or sicking vicious dogs on them, preemptivety defending confederate names of military installations, arguing his people love the black people. He seems detached not just from left wing but also the middle and some republican allies and his very own military leaders. Mr. Trump has a long history of making insensitive and tonedeaf comments on race, including remarks seen as racist, lehas never appeared more isolated on a dominant social and political moment in the country. Hunkered down at the white house, tweeting conspiracy theories and describing demonstrators as thugs. He uses harsh and violent language that no other american leader employees. Vocally supporting the views of whyte nationalists and defending White Supremacy at a time when the country is confronting three overlapping crisis. Trumps inability to demonstrate empathy illustrates the limitations of Trump Campaigns arsenal. I dont want to get too deep into this, but i always said that donald trump, because he had been a democrat for a good bit of his life and spent a great deal of his life giving one check after another to hillary clinton, to chuck schumer, holding fundraisers for chuck schumer, anthony weiner, kamala harris, you name it, he constantly was writing democrats checks then he decided to be a republican. I thought he was playing the cartoon equivalent of a republican. I remember writing in february 2016 in the Washington Post column, trumps denial of knowing who david duke was, and his refusal on a sunday show to criticize the ku klux klan, claiming he had no knowledge of them, i remember writing in that column and saying on the air the next day, he thinks thats what southerns want, because this was right before super tuesday. I said southerners arent that stupid. They know the klan is bad. He played to the lowest common denominator and ill be damned, it worked. I was wrong, it worked. But it doesnt appear to be working anymore. Joe, i was thinking about it this morning, there have been so many racist episodes that its just beyond baked in, even if you really like donald trump. You know that hes a racist. And its a side of him thats just embarrassing, even if you forgive a lot of his other many sins. Think about how many moments we have been drawn into this discussion about race that the country is just in a different place on. Do you remember last summer, i was calling it trumps racest august when he was telling congressional members to go home. There have just been too many incidents at this point. Even separate from i mean, good lord charlottesville and what went down there, saying there were good people. It always has upset me that donald trump goes to, say, alabama and then he really panders and tries to torque up the super racists. And im really heartened by how the country is responding. And how even on the right it is just not cool to be a racist anymore and people do not want to have that label attached to themselves and to their leaders. And donald trump is so painfully out of step with the country on this one. And southerns also, i think a lot of snsoutherners, grew up lg at the Confederate Flag throughout the 80s and 90s, didnt really think much of it, i just didnt. Dwru up with it around. Probably every elementary and middle school i went to in mississippi, probably saw it in georgia, and northwest florida, but yet you go to six flags over georgia and one of the flags was the Confederate Flags you didnt think about it, pensacola, the city of five flags you see the battle flag, i think pensacola changed that flag a long time ago. But i didnt think about it that much. I didnt think about robert e. Lee. We can admit it. People revered robert e. Lee in the south. We talked about him as a southern gentleman. West point, i was talking about the conversation several years ago, we learned about what robert e. Lee did and he was admired as a military general, that was probably a mistake. Im not saying you did. I had blind spots, a lot of people had blind spots. But those blind spots are gone now. And we shouldnt have been blind to it. I shouldnt have been as blind to it for as long as i was. But the fact is, the world has changed. We understand, most of my friends in the south understand that now. But thats a memo that donald trump hasnt gotten. Well, in the aftermath of George Floyds tragic death, i was on the phone with my little niece whos in first grade, and she started telling me, well, i just dont understand why people are still so mean. They were supposed to stop being mean after Martin Luther king said to stop it and knock it off. And she proceeded to tell me all about Martin Luther king and told me a little bit about rosa parks too. My mind was blown because growing up in mississippi, i certainly was not being taught about Martin Luther king and rosa parks in first grade. I saw that as such progress that a Younger Generation really is being taught in a different way. I remember going to ole miss Football Games and the Confederate Flags would be waving and you hear dixie playing, now thats not happening. The Mississippi State flag, which is a Confederate Flag unfortunately and its embarrassing and the state voted to keep it in 2001, and i think if there was another vote today we would finally get rid of that awful flag thats a vestige of a past that we need to apologize and completely move on from and disavow. Curt, you know some changes are happening in american Popular Culture. And in american Popular Culture that has a strong foothold in the south, whether were talking about nascar, which is beloved of course not just in our region but also across the entire country and in Country Music, you sent me you sent me a text yesterday that had the press release from lady ant b l antebellum and what a remarkable statement that group was making. Tell us about it and tell us as a guy that, man, youre you know, you are you have your feet in the Country Music scene as much as anybody. Talk about the significance of this not only on Country Music but also american Popular Culture. Its really something. One of the most successful groups in all of music. Lady antebellum announced they were taking away the antebellum from their name and be lady a. They too said they had their blind spots and nothing was intended to cause harsh and anguish on the term antebellum, they were not aware of historical connotations and with recent events theyve been looking at it, talking to friends about what this means, what the connotation is, and they made the forward thinking decision to announce publically theyre going to change their name and openly apologize for anyone who may have felt offended or distanced from their music because of that name. Were seeing with nascar banning the use of the Confederate Flag at any of their venues going forward. You talked about how donald trump tries to play the lowest common denominator and make this play for a caricature of what a conservative republican in the south is, and yet these iconic culture significant places like nascar and Country Music are moving so much faster and quicker beyond where trump and some of their party is today. Thats where he should be taking his cues, if anything, to see how out of step he is. When you lost the nascar you audience, the Country Music audience, theres something much bigger and broader going on in the country and it illustrates how much of a relic he looks like. Its been fascinating the last few weeks watching the conversation happen in the Country Music, people think of the dixie chicks and whats when you speak out against republican values, but thats not happening today. You have music labels contributing hundreds of millions of dollars to social justice causes. You have one of the only black music singers putting out a song black like me talking about walking through this word as a black woman. Things are changing and evolving. Last year we had two black artists top the charts backtoback weeks for the First Time Ever that happened. So when Country Music and nascar are going a certain way and donald trump is going the other, you have to question what the longevity is of donald trump and the Republican Party. Gene robinson, youre a son of the south, im fascinated by your perspective as we watch culture move so quickly. We have nascar, Confederate Flags everywhere you look, nascar saying Confederate Flags no longer welcome in our sport. You have lebron james and a group of prominent athletes talking about voter rights and Voter Suppression and a group they started this week. Its happening in Country Music. The president is way behind all of this. What do you think as you watch this happening culturally, as you watch statues fall, the state of virginia after 130 years say were no longer going to have robert e. Lees statue up. Whats your personal point of view as a son of the south watching these changes happen so fast . Im a southern like joe and eli elise, but my experience with the Confederate Flag was quite different. I noticed it all the time and it was a symbol of White Supremacy, pure and simple. Thats what it meant. And it was used aggressively to transmit that meaning to black folks across the south when i was a kid. And so, you know, i we wouldnt when we go to atlanta, wed never go to Stone Mountain because of the carved confederate memorial on it. And, of course, there were roads in South Carolina that my father wouldnt drive down in any circumstances because it was that was known as klan country. So this is potentially a transformational moment, i think. I have im not under a lot of illusions. Im not under the illusion that every nascar fan is going to cheer and appreciate the ban on the Confederate Flag, not every single one. Im not under the illusion that every lady a. Fan is going to is going to react positively to the name change and i realize that some maybe will say theyre just being politically correct and try to go all dixie chicks on them. But the fact that, you know, established such established stars in the Country Music would make that decision, the fact that nascar, as an enterprise, would make that decision, i think really does indicate that the country is in a different place. So why would a politician, why would a president , in this moment, go straight for the oldschool White Supremacy . Why would any smart politician do that . And i dont think any smart politician would. I think and you have to look for the simplest possible explanation. This is something at the core of donald trump. This is something he this is his instinct. This is what he believes. Its not what the polls are telling him. You know, gene its something coming from inside of him. Gene, im wondering, alex said in my ear, maybe its changing because of all the things donald trump has done. The ugliness of charlottesville and how he reacted. That column i was talking about donald trump pretending he didnt know who david duke was, and pretending he didnt know what the klan was. After charlottesville there was a poll that was taken, i think it was pew who took the poll and said white americans were far more sensitive to racism than they had been before because i think a lot of people like me believed we had this belief that things continually got better from 63 forward through the 64 and 65 civil rights and Voting Rights act, from barack obama being elected in 2008 if were the only country in the world thats predominantly white that elected a black leader, the arc of civilization is forever moving upward, bending towards justice as Martin Luther king likes to say. And then donald trump got elected and i think a lot of us were exposed to have harsh reality im talking about myself. Let me talk about myself. I was wrong. This country had not moved forward in the way i thought it had. I wonder if that pew poll from a few years ago that is revealing now, it has been Donald Trumps insensitivity on issues of race that have forced people like myself and others to understand what youve understand every day of your life, that america is not as far along on race issues as we believed it was. Right. Look, i think there are other contributing factors. You know, the moment were in right now, this heightened moment, is because of the cell phone video of what happened to george floyd and that policemans knee on his neck. And to see that for eight minutes and 46 seconds, you cannot look away. You know, you cannot not feel deeply about that. So things like that have been effective. But youre onto something because the one thing that donald trump knows how to do in politics is drive wedges. Thats how he got elected in 2016. Thats his thats the only thing he can do. And so, he you know, hes driving the wedge again but hes driven the wedge in such a way that hes forced a whole lot of people, who otherwise might support some of his other policies, hes driven them to the other side because they dont want to be on the White Supremacy Confederate States of america side of the wedge. They want to be on the other side. And so, the more he forces people to make that choice, i think, its possible that the deeper hell get himself in political trouble. I mean, its, drive the wedge, thats what hes doing. Yamiche, then theres the rnc picking jacksonville, florida for the convention and the date and all the questions pertaining to that. Can you tell us about it . Yeah, so the president is going to be delivering this speech, accepting the nomination of the Republican Party on august 27th, that coincides with the anniversary of ax handle saturday. That is an anniversary where the cue cluksz clklu klux klan, it organized a mob that attacked Peaceful Protesters and chased them through the streets. They started chasing the protesters they thenback began to attack and beat any africanamerican in sight. So we have the president delivering the speech for his party, the Republican Party, on the same day that africanamericans all over the country but especially in jacksonville, florida are going to be reminded of all africanamericans had to do to get the same rights or ask for the same rights as white people. So i think the president is reminding america just how terrible things were. Of course, were in a moment of reckoning where people are thinking through all the things that africanamericans have to face today. I think what hes doing by going to tulsa, jacksonville, its reminding us that black people have been under attack for a very long time. Since the beginning they were brought to this country. And theyve been the victims of domestic terrorism, thats what racial violence is in america, its domestic terrorism, racial terrorism. And while hes giving that speech people are going to be thinking about the domestic terrorism in jacksonville, florida when these people were protesting their rights. So now we see Peaceful Protesters coming under fire and facing violence from the police, myself included, when you have gas pushed on them, rubber bullets shot at americans protesting for their rights. Yamiche live for us at the white house, thank you. And curt bardella. Thank you. Coming up, quarrel between trump and military leaders intensifies as milley apologizes for photo op. Defying trump, senate panel moves to strip military bases of confederate names. 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As a commissioned uniformed officer it was a mistake that i have learned from. Thats boy. The chairman of the joint chiefs of staff general mark milley with that apology for the controversial photograph in front of st. Johns church. Joining Us Democratic Anthony Brown of maryland, a veteran of the iraq war and a recipient of the bronze star. Congressman, thank you for being with us. I know you understand the culture of the military extremely well. I just curious what your thoughts are hearing the chairman of the joint chiefs saying to everybody, i too am accountable. I should not have been there. It was a mistake. How important was that message for the general to send out and what do you think the positive outcome of that will be in the long run . Good morning, joe and mika, thanks for having me on. I think it was a very important statement that general milley made. And it could have been avoided because of circumstances underlying the need for the statement was avoidable. And i attribute that in large part to the fact that President Trump simply doesnt understand the military. He doesnt understand the role or the relationship between americas military and americas society, how we regard our military, how they need to keep a distance from domestic politics. So while i commend general milley for stepping up and taking responsibility, we need more leaders to do that, he never should have been in that position in the first place, he understands that, acknowledges that and a lot of think, though, i think lies at the feet of the commander in chief who is quite frankly, an inept commander in chief and thats donald trump. Well, i just two questions come to mind watching that apologize, which is in many ways staggering. I try to wonder and i wonder what your concerns might be about the position this general was in in the run up to that photo op. What led to that fateful decision, really. And then the position he was in after with his peers in the military for doing it. Sure. You know, a recounting of events suggest that general milley was at the white house and in washington for a very legitimate reason and found himself swept up with the president as he brought an entourage to Lafayette Plaza for a photo op. General milley was probably able to avoid the grossest photo off as secretary esper stood next to President Trump with the bible. But general milley understood he should not have been in the vicinity of lafayette park. It does damage to the military. And his Statement Today or i should say yesterday was very important, particularly to the men and women in uniform, to remind them we are not loyal or beholden to a president , nor the man or woman who holds that office. We are loyal to the constitution, the value that it embodies and this nation and the nations people. Thats first and foremost and i think general milley articulated that very well in his statement yesterday. Congresswoman brown, its willie geist. I want to ask you about the Bipartisan Legislation that you have introduced to rename United States military bases that have been named for confederate generals, leaders, i know you served time at fort hood, that base is named for a lieutenant in the confederate army, john bell hood, what is your position . How do you articulate your opposition to these names which is obvious to some why they should be changed but not to everyone, and just on a personal level what it was like for you as a soldier to walk into a base knowing it had been named for a confederate leader who sought to maintain the institution of slavery . Willie, i got my start at fort rut ger, alabama, named after a confederate general. I learned how to jump out of airplanes at fort benning. I deployed to iraq out of fort bragg and ive been to fort hood on countless occasions. This is my response. No one is trying to rewrite history. Youre going to hear the stories of the confederacy and soldiers in history books. But theres no need to honor the people or the symbols of an institution or individuals that defended the institution of slavery. The army has ten military installations, the navy has one naval vessels. Theres countless roads and buildings that honor and pay tribute to confederate soldiers. We can eliminate that without erasing the history of this country. By eliminating that i think we demonstrate respect to what it means for africanamericans, africanamericans who put on that uniform, and how the confederacy is a symbol of hatred, racism, whose wounds continue to run deep throughout this country. So its long overdue. I want to thank representative don bacon, who served as a general in the United States air force, a republican, who is a co so cosponsor. A lead cosponsor of the bill. I want to ask about the push for Police Reform, legislation working its way through congress and also the concept of defunding the police. Oscar winning director spike lee is concerned that the defund the Police Movement will have adverse effects with President Trump perverting the message to stoke fear. Lee told al roker, quote, activists have to be careful with the words, because already this guy is running with that. You know the guy im talking about, agent orange. And again, hes trying to twist the narrative like he did with kaepernick and the kneeling. Trying to say that was about disrespecting the flag, but that wasnt it at all. Spike lee continued weve got to be careful what we say because one or two wrong words theyll twist things around, the narratives change. I dont think people are saying we dont need police at all, but defund the police, i think there could be a better terminology. What do you think . I completely agree with spike lee as do many of my colleagues. Perhaps the overwhelming majority in congress. Its not about defunding the police, its about reimagining or transforming the police. I think we can acknowledge that racism and systemic racism pervades most many certainly Police Departments across this country. We need to transform these Police Departments. Could that involve restructuring . Yes. Certainly it involves Holding Police accountable. And thats where the justice in policing act that we introduced earlier this week goes after. It is includes prohibiting certain conduct that we know is lethal and dangerous and unnecessary. Like the chokehold, and other neck restraints, requiring the use of body camera, empowering investigators to do pattern and practice investigations and to reduce and eliminate the barriers to prosecuting bad cops and allowing people harmed by bad cops to seek redress and compensation in the courts. So there are many things we need to do. But i think we should also acknowledge that the protesters and those calling for defunding the police are certainly onto something. That is we need to make greater investments in the community. Whether its homelessness and poverty, whether its addressing Mental Health needs unmet today in communities across the country or alcohol and drug abuse addiction and counseling. These types of investments need to happen, but they can happen without defunding the police. We need to reimagine the police, transform the police but we need police not as warriors in the community but as protectors and guardians in the community. Congressman Anthony Brown thank you very much for being on the show this morning. Back now to coronavirus, Health Officials in florida and South Carolina say that both states have shattered their single day case records since the outbreak began. In florida, more than 1,600 new cases were confirmed yesterday, nearly a 20 increase from the states previous high last week. South carolina also recorded more than 600 new cases, surpassing its previous high set just three days earlier. Joining us now, dr. Richard b z besser. A former acting director of the cdc and appointmented by new Jersey Governor Phil Murphy to a board for reopening. And he had an oped entitled we ran the cdc, heres how to talk to the public. Doctor besser, if you could please talk to the public about the health dry scrisis and tell where we stand with it. What is the science telling us . Its clear were in early days of the pandemic, i dont think thats being communicated enough. As we see numbers going up in some states and going down in others. We have to reflect that so much of that has to do with the behaviors were taking or not taking. You see states putting out road maps of going from phase one to two to three, that call for more and more be seen as a twoway street. States are going to try things. Theyre going to get people back to work hopefully in safe ways. But if its not working or they see a rise, that means that you have to back stab, you have to go back to more social distancing. And one of my biggest concerns, mika, is states arent looking hard enough at the impact on black communities, latino communities, low income workers. And if theyre not collecting data to be looking at that, there could be increases occurring that theyre not seeing that could lead to outbreaks and more devastation in the communities that have been hit hardest by the pandemic and the economic crisis. Yeah. And i want alesse jordan to jump in, but is there any way of avoiding the hard deaths, the potential death toll in the months to come . When you look at that, its not a crystal ball. What we decide to do or not do is going to influence in a great way what those numbers look like. So if we decide to take this seriously, if we all go outside and wear masks, especially if were indoors and washing our hands and social distancing, that will impact what that number is. Those who tend to suffer the most are those who are most marginalized in our society. Dr. Beser, are you hopeful at all that the part son divide about Public Health is going to mend . Thats what im worried about. It seems so intractable right now and people have essentially given up on social distancing. And it would seem, if we have a second wave, it would seem incredibly difficult and politically unpalatable the convince the public to buy into that. Its one of the big challenges. When dr. Copeland and i wrote that piece, you need to get the American People all on the same page about this. And there is a big divide now. Were not talking about months here. This could go on for years. So there is an opportunity to recalibrate. Here in new jersey, theres a laser focus on ensuring that communities of color, that lower income communities are being looked at as much as possible, that testing is increasing. As were seeing protests on the street, encouraging protesters to wear mask and social distancing, increasing testing in communities where protests are taking place so that if there is an increase in cases, you can do that Public Health work to ensure that one case doesnt lead to a clustory an outbreak, that people have safe place toes isolate or quarantine so theyre not having to bring disease home to their loved ones who may be elderly or have medical conditions. We still have the opportunity to chart ur course and decide what will the pandemic look like in america for all people in america. Dr. Beser, its willie geist. I think you probably see this anecdotally and the instincts of humans to be social is taking over, especially now that schools are getting out and its summertime. People are saying, you know what . Coronavirus, i gave you three years of my life. Were going to have barbecues. I think there is some sense because in those early hot spots like in new jersey and new york city that the situation has been tampered that maybe its time for life to move on. So what is your message . What is your mussage to the people about how they should be going about their lives this summer . The message cant be the same for every state, for every community. In new jersey where the numbers are coming down, that is the time to start to loosen things up. Were learning. As we learn more about the virus, were learning that Outdoor Activities are safer. You still want to keep that social distance. By its much safetory be out in your backyard with the barbecue than you are to be outside cooking in a kitchen. And its looking like there isnt as much transmission taking place. Making sure that the recommendations that are being given are recommendations that all people can follow. As people are going back to work, making sure that all workers are safe. Low income workers are the ones who are just making ends meet. If you dont have enforceable workplace standards, theyre going to get hit the hardest. Coming up, dr. Jeffrey sachs on this current economic recession and the prospects for a recovery. Plus, the Trump Campaign tells supporters to come to its upcoming rally in tulsa, but says they cant sue them if they get coronavirus while theyre at the rally. Well have the new campaign disclaimer. Morning joe is coming right back. Disclaimer morning joe is coming right back are you a weirdo . [ scoffs ] the weirdest. You make everyone around you crazy. People are normal then they hang out with you and then theyre Jack Nicholson in the shining. Im gonna tell my mom you tried to drown me. Its an above ground pool youre like eight feet tall killer attitude. Nevor hydration. Neutrogena® hydro boost. The 1 hyaluronic acid moisturizer delivers 2x the hydration for supple, bouncy skin. Neutrogena®. Even dr. Kings assassination did not have the worldwide impact that George Floyds death did. It was just Like Television changed the Civil Rights Movement for the purpose better when they saw beau connor and his dogs ripping the clothes off elderly black women going to church and fire hoses ripping the skin off of young kids 37 all those folks around the country who didnt have any black populations heard about this, but they didnt believe it. When they saw it, it was impossible to close their eyes. Now with george floyd, youve got so many people around the country . Millions of cell phones. Its change the way people are looking at this. So my point is, i think people are really realizing that this is a battle for the soul of america. Americans are good and virtuous people. We have to Work Together to confront bigotry and prejudice wherever they appear, but well make no progress and heal no wounds by falsely labelling tens of millions of decent americans as racist or bigots. We have to get everybody together. We have to be in the same path, i think, pastor. If we dont do that, well have problems. And well do it easily and it will go quickly and very easily. President trump and joe biden both speaking yesterday about batting racism. It will go quickly and easily . Like the coronavirus. This is a guy who is badly out of step, even with his own Republican Party. The country. Well, with the country. The renaming of bases which the military is willing to do. Donald trump is standing alone more and more every single day on this issue of race, a relic from a different age as the new york time writes this morning. It is friday, june 12th. David ignatius is with us, eugene, carol lie at the white house. So much to get to this morning. You know, willie, do you want to go to a rally . Would you like to go to a rally right now . Like lets go to a rally. I want to crowd in with a lot of people inside. I want to do that. And if you want to go to a trump rally, donald trump, hes so cool, he goes to he goes to a plant in maine where theyre making swabs and he doesnt wear a mask because he thinks that cool. Of course, they have to destroy all the work they were doing for testing because he didnt wear it. And then you remember mark meadows a couple of days ago saying yall sure do look funny in your masks. Greg sherman said, yeah, because we dont want to die. Yall sure look funny in your masks. Its this fake match yao bs theyre trying to pull off. But donald trump, when the rubber meets the road, when it has to do with the bottom line, when it has to do with Donald Trumps money, suddenly he believes in science. Ive seen the light, ive seen the light. Praise the lord, ive seen the light. The message on the Campaign Website for reelect donald trump, commander in chief without a mask, says this. If you want to register for his rally in tulsa, by clicking below, you are acknowledging annen harnt risk of exposure to covid19 exists in any place where people are ready. You and your guests voluntarily assume all risks related to covid19 and you agree not to hold you agree not to hold you agree not to hold donald j. Trump for president inc or the stadium, its employees, volunteers, etcetera, liable for any illness or injury. There is another way they could have written this and i tried to help them out with a succinct tweet, willie, and it goes Something Like this. Come to our rally. P. S. , it could kill you, but thats your problem. Wow. Wow. Oh, my gosh. Where to begin with that . That was a stunning reading, by the way. Very dramatic. Well done. Ill barely go to the produce aisle at stop and shop so i dont want to go to a packed rally given the state of this arena right now. As you like to say, its time to rock the bach. They have canceled concerts well into july, deep into july. Those have all been postponed because of coronavirus because they dont want people packed into their arena. The president is not going to cancel this rally given everything swirling around it, even given the coronavirus. So instead of canceling it, they put a disclaimer at the bottom of their website that says, if you walk through those doors, you are signing away any right to sue us, to sue the arena, to sue anybody else if you come down with coronavirus from being inside a packed arena. Extraordinary. Seriously, the hypocrisy there. They do this fake macho thing. I never realized denying science was macho, but they do this fake macho thing denying medicine, you know . And then when push comes to shove, yall sure do look funny in your masks. Donald trump trying to be macho while being the only person not wearing a mask where theyre trying to get enough swabs, they have to destroy all that. But when push comes to shove, when the rubber meets the road, when it has to do with Donald Trumps money, hes saying, hey, you know, coming to my rally could kill you. And if you come to my rally, im not responsible. Sign right here. And not my problem. If you Pay Attention to me and do as i say, and do, of course, you dont have to secret service around you all the time and youre not being tested regularly for covid19. So youre not in the bubble im in. So im not particularly worried. But all you, my loyal base, my Great American people, you just might die if you come to my rally. And so dont sue me. You cannot make this stuff up, joe. You really cant make it up. I thought it was a joke when i saw it. This is unbelievable. Make America Great again, but try not to die while youre doing it. No, its make America Great again but it might kill you. You mentioned the article that talks about trump being severely out of step with the rest of the country. An effort to remove the names of military leaders from military bases is gaining support on both sides of the aisle. The Republicancontrolled Senate Armed Services committee has adopted an amendment proposed by senator Elizabeth Warren that requires the department of defense rename military bases named after confederate generals. President trump criticized the measure yesterday, tweeting, of course, about Elizabeth Warren calling her pocahontas saying she just introduced an amendment of renaming many of our legendary military bases from which we train to win world world wars. Hopefully our great republican senators wont fall for this. Is that a threat . But on capitol hill, a number of senators said they were open to renaming bases. I think we ought to try to rewrite history. I think its always appropriate to review the people and the places that we honor to see if they fit the context of the times in which we live. I think we should look long on what that means. The message is if were going to have bases throughout the United States, i think it should be with the names of individuals who fought for our country. We dont want to forget whats happened in the past, but at the same time, that doesnt mean that we should continue with those bases. With the names of individuals who fought against our country. Republican senator roy blunt said yesterday that he had no problem changing names of military bases. He told reporters, quote, if you want to continue to name forts after soldiers, there have been a lot of great soldiers who have come along since the civil war. The senator noted that braxton brag who was honored at the sprawling base in North Carolina was, quote, probably the worst commanding general in the entire confederate army. Hes an interesting guy to name a force after. Yeah. Gene, first of all, lets put the confederacy issue aside. Even if these guys had fought until the french indian war, theyre losers. They are t wrong side of history. They are on the wrong side morally and they lost militarily. Yeah. They werent any good as generals and they lost the war and they literally should be confined to the dust bin of history. It is just a it has always been the weirdest thing. What our nation names its army bases for traitors who fought against the United States of america . You know, you dont have, like, you know, fort hitler in france. Its ridiculous and always has been. But its fascinating, the president s reflex to say no, never. Theyre tough guys and this and that. But to think somehow thats going to be the position that his base wants, and its another wedge in the culture war when the whole country is saying, no, you know, this is kind of a nobrainer. So when you have langford and these other republican senators saying, yeah, its probably time to get rid of those names, where is donald trump these days . Where is hes inside his own head, i guess. But that where is he . Hes not paying attention. Still ahead, a stunning apology from the countrys top military official. Well show you the latest in a string of rebukes to the president by members of the armed forces. Youre watching morning joe. Well be right back. Ht back. No uh uh, no way come on, no no nnnnono only discover has no annual fee on any card. Hey mama, whats up . I only see one price on my phone bill. Youre on tmobile, taxes and fees are included. Why cant all my bills be like this . I dont know mama. Umph with tmobile, taxes and fees are included. And when you switch your family, get 4 lines of unlimited for just 35 a line. Lets be honest. Quitting smoking is hard. Like, quitting every monday hard. Quitting feels so big. 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Its how you respond to that mistake that matters. In this case, general milley said, yeah, i screwed up. I screwed up bad and you know what . Im here to tell you about it. And im going to make sure it doesnt happen again. A pollen did example from the chairman of the joint chiefs. It was extraordinary just to say that boldly. I should not have been standing there. I should not have been doing the this. And by extension, because hes the chairman of joint chiefs of staff, hes the senior military leader saying to every single man and woman in uniform, you shouldnt be in any position that compromises your independence. This is not us. Risked getting fired when he said that. He was deeply embarrassed, almost ashamed of having appeared in uniform on that day after the teargas, walked across the street, he knew he had done the wrong thing. A sent out a message to the troops the next day and consistently arguing with the president do not send us in. There were troops ready to go in, the 82nd airborne had been flown up from ft. Bragg to ft. Belvar ready to go into our streets. And milley and some others stood against that and said this is a mistake. Do not do this. Here he is finally taking account of his own mistakes, having appeared in uniform. And i think its symbolic of a transitional moment. The military doesnt do that. Milley is saying if you dont like what im doing, you can fire me, but i am not going to betray the principles of our military. And up next, general milley considered resigning over his role in the incident. Morning joe is back in a moment. E incident morning joe is back in a moment effortless is the lincoln way. So as you head back out on the road, well be doing what we do best. Providing some calm in your day. With virtual, realtime tours of our vehicles as well as remote purchasing. For a little help, on and off the road. Now when you buy or lease a new lincoln, well make up to 3 payments on your behalf. 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Carol, what can you tell us . What weve learned is that he actually considered resigning over this. He was calling friends and mentors of his that night after this photoop and essentially talking through what happens. And raising the question of whether this was something that he should resign over. He spent a lot of that night looking at social media and News Coverage of this and was really distraught over it. Defense officials told us that he stayed up most of the night looking through social media and was taken aback by some of the criticism. A lot of the criticism was public. He came under a lot of criticism in part because he wore his combat fatigues. A defense official tells us what happened on that monday was he was on his way to the fbi office where the command center for monitoring the protest response and he was wearing his combat fatigues. He thought he would be there for a while. He got called to the white house for the president s rose garden statement and he didnt change. He didnt have a change of clothes in the car. The aides said it didnt make sense for him to go back to the pentagon to get his dress uniform and thats why he appeared in those combat fatigues. But we know that he clearly was striking about his comments about his commencement address is that he didnt want the next generation and the current military officials to think that this was okay, that he felt that this was very wrong. He decided that he wasnt going on resign. One thing we dont know is whether the president knew he was going to say this and how the president feels about it. I think if you look at recent history, how upset he was with mark esper for distancing himself from him about that photoop, you know, that is an indication. But the president has a different relationship with general milley, who hasnt been in the job for even a year yet. The president really likes him. Whether or not he takes the same sort of aggressive stance with him that he did with esper remarchbs to be seen. Theres an extraordinary scene inside your story inside the oval office where you have the president , the Vice President , secretaries esper is there and attorney general barr along with general milley where the president begins the make the case for putting active duty military into the straights of this country. And at that point, according to your reporting, general milley becomes quite animated in making the case against that. Yeah. And he wasnt alone. Also the defense secretary and the attorney general who thought that now wasnt the time. He really was adamant about this, according to people we talked to. And that just sets the tone for how that day began for general milley. That meeting was in the morning in the oval office with the president , the Vice President , the defense secretary, the attorney general, other aides and he got very fired up was how it was described to us and was shaking his fist at one point to make his point saying this is not okay. This is not what you should do. And ultimately, the president backed down for the time being, but in the way that this president tends to do, which is ill hold off for now, but i will do it if you guys dont take care of this. And what ensued after was an attempt by the secretary and others to move in the National Guard so the president wouldnt use active duty troops. Carol lee, thank you very much. Coming up on morning joe, amid Police Brutality across the nation, cofounders of black lives matters alicia garza will be our guest. Garza will be our guest who has time for wrinkles . Neutrogena® rapid wrinkle repair®. Weve got the retinol that gives you results in one week. Not just any retinol. 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Fears of a possible surge in coronavirus cases sent the stock market tumbling yesterday pulling the dow down more than 1800 points for its worst day since march. The s p 500 slid 5. 9 while the nasdaq composite dropped 5. 3 . Concerned about a second wave of the coronavirus have risen as u. S. States push deeper into reopening and to add to investors worries, it is believed the recovery from the coronavirus fpandemic will be slow. Joining us now, dr. Jeffrey sachs. Also with us, distinguished professor of Global Affairs at the John Hopkins School of advanced international studies, hal brand is back with us today. Hal, its so great to have Jeffrey Sachs here, but we wanted to get you on today because we know you could tell us exactly what is happening in north korea. Once again, kim jongun, we havent seen him in a while and now north increase announcing complete break from the nuclear deal that donald trump thought that he was going to be getting. Any insights into what were seeing there . This is a relatively familiar north korean tactic where he essentially bring the relationship to a halt, threaten to escalate in some unspecified way in hopes of ringing near term concessions out of the United States and potentially out of south korea as well in exchange for the promise of better north korean behavior down the road. What may be happening at this point is that the north korean government may calculate that President Trump is in a relatively weak political position due to economic and other issues and that he will be particularly keen to preserve the fiction that the north Korean Nuclear problem has been solved, as he put it, a couple of years ago. So it may seem to be an opportune time from north koreas perspective to turn up the pressure on the United States. Jeffrey sachs, your take, as well, on north korea. But specifically, lets look at the china angle. Obviously, were going to be sharing the global stage for china for the next 25, 30 years. But north korea, in its current state, cannot exist without the support of china. What does the United States do beyond donald trump to build a better relationship with china, of course, and to compel china to act within the norms of International Behavior and apply some pressure to the north korean regime . Right now, all of our diplomacy is almost nonexistent or in retreat. I think well see no one is listening to the United States. Were so tied up in our inability to get this virus under control, in the internal instability that we see across america, in the political uncertainties, this is not a time of u. S. Leadership and, of course, this administration has not been leading, its been retreating from one International Diplomatic arrangement after another. So we have no leverage right now, basically. And we wont have leverage until we get out of the pandemic, which we have not done while asia has succeeded in doing. We will not get yout of this until ur economy begins to mendz but its not going to mend as long as the pandemic continues. So were in a tremendous mess and a collapse of diplomacy, essentially, which were seeing all over the world. So jeffrey, your book, the age of globalization, technology and institutions, its were seeing weve obviously seen how globalization, how technology has impacted the american economy, the global economy, in both positive and negative ways. Were seeing how this pandemic is doing, what richard haas said it would do at the beginning of the pandemic, not change history, but accelerate it. What is going to be the Economic Impact con american workers, again, from globalization, from technology, and, yes, from the pandemic and corporations cutting back their workforce even more . Exactly. We have three mega trends right now in addition to the pandemic. We have the technological acceleration to the digital economy, which has been incredibly accelerated. We will not go back to millions and millions of the old brick and mortar jobs now. This is being recognized everywhere in the world. We have a geopolitical shift to asia, which was gradually going on, but has been accelerated because asia got the virus under control whereas europe and the United States did not. And we have an environmental catastrophe. The coronavirus is a big part of that. It was a disease that was transferred from interactions between humans and nature, from bats to human population. But our environmental crisis, of course, goes far beyond that. So we have three huge changes that are under way which mean we dont go back to normal. We need a strategy. We dont have a strategy right now. We have no strategy. We have a pandemic. We have an economic collapse. We have a diplomatic collapse. And were going to need a new strategy for a very different kind of world. A digital world. A world that is much more multi polar and a world in environmental crisis. And those are three denials of our current administration. We dont have a strategy because were not facing the most basic realities of what is happening right now. Dr. Sachs, its willie geist. Congratulations on the book. You say this pandemic, you wrote the book before the pandemic, but you say that it will accelerate the drive of the drive of the economy, the global economy, toward asia. What do you mean by that exactly and why do you think that is inevitable now . If you look at what is happening immediately with the pandemic, its not just china, but japan, korea, taiwan, hong kong, australia, new zealand, all have the epidemic under control. Their economies are starting to rebound. They are investing large scale in infrastructure, chinas announced 1 trillion of investment in high tech. But that is going to be something seen across the Asia Pacific Region. In the United States, we have double digit unemployment, which is going to persist. We have the virus not only not under control, but beginning to accelerate in many places in the u. S. South and southwest because precautions have not been taken. And were obviously in a profound social and political crisis, as well, the largest weve been in in our lifetimes. So in this sense, were not able to solve our problems immediately until we have a new political direction and orientation and National Consensus a way forward. And this means that were really going to see the Asia Pacific Region recovering before not only the u. S. , but also the north atlantic in general, including the European Union which was very hard hit by this crisis. Theyre doing a little bit better now, but theyre very, very hard hit. At the same time, this Digital Transformation means that of the 20 million jobs that have been shed since march, about 18 million jobs, many of them are never coming back. So the idea of a vshaped recovery makes no sense. We need a new strategy. And the new strategy has to make sense in terms of the need for a digital economy, but adapting to it for a clean economy, for Renewable Energy and for other things that we dont even have on the political agenda right now. So this is a lot of sorting out to do for our country. And its several major shifts. When i wrote the book these trends were underpinning my thought that were in a new age of globalization. But the acceleration of all of these trends in the last few months is absolutely startling. It is startling, extraordinary, and yet hal brands, americas Foreign Policy seems to be going in an opposite direction as the world becomes more globalized. The United States continues to retreat. Conservatives, of course, used to attack barack obama for, quote, leading from behind, a phrase i dont think he ever said, and yet its donald trump who keeps retreating from hot spots, whether its battles against isis abandoning our kurd allies, leaving afghanistan, now talking about draw downs, dramatic drawdowns there, now talking about dramatic drawdowns in russia. What is the impact of United States of america on the global stage in negotiations with other countries . And even when it comes to business. Does the world see america as a country in retreat right now from the global stage . I think the world sees the United States as a country that is somewhat uncertain of itself at the moment and that is not able to exercise the competent and steady leadership that has generally been americas calling card over the past 75 years. So the through lines have been the United States would be the key stabilizes in the International System and the idea that the United States would be the catalyst of collective action in respond to go crisis. And one of the things that has been so alarming to many of our International Allies and partners during the Coronavirus Crisis in particular is that the United States really hasnt even tried to exercise much of that leadership and that we have seemed to incapable of handling the domestic aspect of our response, as well. And so that sends a troubling signal to countries who are dependent on the United States for their own security and well being. If the United States isnt able to lead, in this case, will it be able to lead in response to a military crisis or to a geopolitical confrontation of some sort . Hal brands, thank you so much. Dr. Jeffrey sachs, thank you, as well. What an extraordinary important extraordinarily important book to read right now, especially, again, with the accelerants of all of those trends because of the pandemic. Up next, one of the cofounder of black lives matter joins us to discuss the movement and why this time seems to be different. Keep it right here on morning joe. Different. Keep it right here on morning joe. Usaa was made for right now. And right now, is a time for action. So, for a second time were giving members a credit on their auto insurance. Because its the right thing to do. Were also giving Payment Relief options to eligible members so they can take care of things like groceries before they worry about their insurance or credit card bills. Right now is the time to take care of what matters most. Like weve done together, so many times before. Discover all the ways were helping members at usaa. Com coronavirus so to breathe better, i started oncedaily anoro. Copd tries to say, go this way. 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Joining us now, organizer activist cofounder of black lives matter, elesia garza. Also with us, reverend william barber, president of repairers of the breach and cochair of the campaign. Hes out with a new book entitled we are call to be a movement. Reverend, thank you so much for being with us. And alicia, thank you so much as well. Im curious, and ill ask both of you this question, after 400 years of slavery and segregation and racism, i am wondering, are we now at an Inflection Point as we were in 1963, 1964, 1965 in this slow march forward to Racial Justice . I think we are certainly approaching a tipping point, and we are seeing some really incredible shifts culturally in our understanding of what racism is and isnt. I think we are approaching some important shifts culturally in terms of what has been the impact of racism on every system in our society. And i think that in order for us to actually meet this moment, we have to be mindful this moment requires us to have a level of courage, and it also requires us to be bold. And, frankly it is so important that some of these laws are being changed and strengthens around the country. And we have to remember that what we have an opportunity to do right now is redirect resources to the places in our society that need it the most. Frankly, we are approaching a recession. Black unemployment is approaching 40 . And when we look at budgets city budgets, all the way up to the budgets of congress, what we know is that our budgets are not reflecting our morals. And, frankly, we are spending a lot of money on punishment and not enough money on promise. And we have to shift the ways in which we are distributing our resources to make sure that everybody in america has an opportunity to thrive. Reverend, its 2020, is it an Inflection Point . I agree with my dear sister. It can be. Today is the 57th anniversary of the murder of maggie evers and it came one day after john f. Kennedy announced hed push for the civil rights act. When we hear the i cant breathe of our dear brother floyd, it is a danger if we isolate this moment just to Police Violence as the form of death called by racism. That i cant breathe really is a shorthand for all the ways in which people cant breathe. Even before the death of brother floyd, 700 people were dying a day from poverty, 250,000 a year and 61 of all africanamericans were poor and low wealth. We have to address that. We had 80 Million People uninsured or underinsured and theres a level of racism in that, joe, in terms of how the refusal of this country to provide insurance for all of its people connected to our bodies and not to our job has a disproportionate racialized impact on black people. Even racist Voter Suppression has what i call a death measurement. When you suppress the vote, you allow people to get elected who once they get elected, they block health care, Police Reform, reforms in the climate and all of those blocks cause death. So what we really have to have, im going to do a sermon at the National Cathedral this sunday, and it says america accepting death is not an option anymore. And we have to look at how death happened because racism everything racism and classism touches, it causes a form of death and a form of strangulation and a form of suffocation to our democracy. So this can be a point but it wont be a point the new world that we see trying to be birthed in the street will not be birthed if we just isolate it to one form of death and isolate it to a few reforms in policing rather than a full reform throughout our society. Alicia, its willie geist. Im curious on your take about why this time feels different, if you believe it does. And if you look at this polling which is extraordinary that shows threequarters of americans. That crosses obviously progressives and conservatives, republicans nvd d s and democrae and black. You have Something Like 70 believe what we saw with the knee on the neck that killed george floyd was representative of a larger problem with policing in this country. A new poll yesterday from yahoo now show a majority of americans support athletes right to kneel during the national anthem. Confederate flag coming down from nascar. Country Music Artists changing the names of their bands. Confederate statues falling across the country. Why do you feel like this time has so catalyzed the American People . Its not like this is something new as youve been pointing out for years. What is it about this moment . Well, i mean, i will honestly say that the last four years have become so polarized under a president and under leadership that refuses to lead. And as a result, what were seeing is poverty at unimaginable levels. In the community that i live in, i can tell you that tent cities have grown in a way i havent seen in my community in my entire life. We have a leadership that wont lead and as a result what were seeing is ongoing murders of people on camera for everyone to watch by the people who are supposed to protect and serve our communities. And so and then in the midst of that, right, in the midst of that, because we lack leadership in this country from a president who wont lead, we actually found ourselves in the midst of a Global Pandemic that has been ravaging and attacking black communities incredibly savagely because there has not been an appropriate response. So thats the intersection were at right now. And i think part of the reason this is exploding is because people are suffering. And i think part of the reason this movement is spreading is because people are finding connection through their hope and also finding connection through a new vision for what this country can look like. I think its incredibly powerful to say that we want to redistribute resources away from punishment, that we want to redistribute resources away from things in our communities that are not actually closing the gaps that we experience in health care and housing and employment and education, in standards for workers. And that we actually have an opportunity, right, to say, we can meet the promise of this nation, but we have to be courageous, and we have to be bold and we have to ensure that our leaders are enacting the political will thats necessary to actually make that a reality. Reverend, the words i cant breathe caught on that videotape. Those chilling words i cant breathe, the words that actually would have heard and seen on videotape during a pandemic that disproportionately impacted black americans, if we had cameras in emergency rooms. How many black mothers, fathers, grandmothers, grandfathers, children, people with underlying conditions died gasping for breath saying those words, i cant breathe because Health Care Outcomes are different in america because when it comes to health care, like so many other areas, there are two americas. And talk about what we have not seen this year of black people dying dispurporoportionately gag for breath. I cant breathe is a shorthand for what so many people are experiencing. And i believe this, i cant breathe, first of all, the hero is this 16yearold girl. Lets all of us be clear that she held that camera up and filmed it. When people saw, i cant breathe and saw the suffocation by death. It is in the middle of a pandemic. Its killing disproportionate black and poor people. And it does and its like the state is supposed to protect life, but too much under trump and mcconnell, it is exposing that when you have someone who is a racist, someone who is a narcissist and a cynic to go along with that, that people stop breathing in so many ways. Your economy stops breathing. Because of the death of Health Care People stop breathing. Because of the rise of climate injustice, people stop breathing. It causes death. Everything that racism and classism touches, it suffocates. It destroys. And so i think that what you have is a kind of public mourning. People radiated with that i cant breathe. And, joe, none of this has to be one of the things we have to understand this moment that this is by choice. We are suffocating this democracy by choice. And thats why the poor peoples campaign, the National Call for revival on june 2020, were bringing together people of every different race, creased a color saying you have to address all of these. All of them because they are trying to suffocate the life out of a democracy. And the people marching are trying to the new book is we are call to be a movement. Profound words by reverend william barber. Thank you so much. Alicia garza, cofounder of black lives matter. Thank you as well for everything you are doing. And tha