Connected will stand down. Anyone who starts off saying we cant bring america together is just throwing in the towel. Theyre saying everything donald trump has been saying. Divider and chief, theyre saying hes already won. But theyre wrong. Joe biden and Elizabeth Warren increasingly going after each other on the campaign trail. Well get into that dynamic just ahead. Good morning and welcome to morning joe. Its monday, december six tootoont Donny Deutsch is with us. National correspondent for nbc news and author of the red and blue, Steve Kornacki with us. And former chief of staff to the dccc and former director of Strategic Communications for Hillary Clintons president ial campaign, Adrienne Elrod. Shes an msnbc contributor. Also with us u. S. National editor at the Financial Times edward luce is with us this morning. Ed, im sorry im just talking too much about the British Elections last week, drove mika absolutely crazy. Give aus a quick 30 seconds on what the political earthquake meant last week and what you, someone who covers british and american politics, what you think it means for american politics moving forward. Well, the working class in britain have moved to the conservative party. They might have temporary moved there and lent their vote to Boris Johnson, but it is an earthquake in the sense that the post dust industrial classes are voting for them. This shows that the voters in 2016, blue collar workers, its a transatlantic trend thats quite profound and might prove to be enduring through 2020. The other thing is that the left having lost the worst defeat since 1935, since before my parents were born, Jeremy Corbyn is now essentially trying to rig the leadership election to replace him by narrowing it down to candidates who share his fairly secretariat view of the world. It doesnt all go out in terms of the left learning lessons about why theyre losing. Its just unbelievable. Jonathan lemire, the president yesterday spinning out of control again. This time in part attacking fox news. Attacking fox news polls. So we heard. Its funny over the last couple of weeks, well get into all of these polls, remarkable results for both donald trump, republicans, head to head matchups, also of course the democratic race. Thats why we have the range here, Steve Kornacki with us. Hes going to be screaming this morning, kids, but thats all right. You can get some helpful nuggets in between the bursts of activity, the explosions. But, Jonathan Lemire, the president obviously didnt like the fact that by a ninepoint margin a majority of Americans Still want the president impeached and removed from office. Thats very clear, joe. I mean, the president has been even for him rather active and perhaps out of control, one could say, on twitter. He set a record last week for the most tweets in one day, well over a hundred. On the weekend he attended the army navy game, i was there with him on saturday and basked in that spectacle and then sunday returned to twitter. He went after fox news which he thinks is a News Organization that should be on its side. He always criticize it for always having democrats on its air and the polling department which most of the industry, steve, the rage, can back me up on this later. Most of the industry think its a strong polling department. We also saw him yesterday attack House Speaker nancy pelosi and make a joke about her teeth, which is not quite clear what that was about. But certainly not his most dignified tweet. And it goes to show the pressure that he is facing. As much as the white house and his advisers believe that impeachment, they keep trying to put it out there, this could be a political win for him. Theyre pointing to their internal polls to show its playing pretty well. The independents in battleground states are not into impeachment so therefore playing pretty well for his reelection chances. He knows what this means. On wednesday, we cant stress enough, on wednesday, President Trump is going to be the third president in history to be impeached. The house of representatives is going to impeach President Trump and he knows thats a defining part of his leg gase spit thaac as he could win reelection, thats not going to go away and we see its eating on him and it bursts his frustration bursts into public view time and time again and particularly yesterday on twitter. All right. Thats where nbc news has learned that Senate Minority leader Chuck Schumer has proposed calling former National Security adviser john bolton, and acting white house chief of staff Mick Mulvaney as witnesses in the Senate Impeachment trial. Schumer sent a letter to Majority Leader Mitch Mcconnell late yesterday proposing that the senate sf both bolton and mulvaney along with two other people close to the president who may know about that delay of military aid to ukraine. In the letter, schumer writes, Senate Democrats believe strongly and i trust Senate Republicans agree, that this trial must be one that is fair, that considers all of the relevant facts, and that exercises the senates sole power of impeachment under the constitution winning at the gritty a with integrity and dignity. Hes definitely trying to get that testimony. Which brings us to the new numbers on impeachment. In the latest fox news poll, 50 of registered voters think the president should be impeached and removed from office. Up one point since october. 4 think he should be impeached but not removed from office. And 41 do not think he should be impeached at all. When looking at the two articles of impeachment brought ford by House Democrats, 53 think President Trump abused the power of his office. 38 do not. 48 think he obstructed congress. 34 do not. And when looking at other charges, House Democrats could have brought forward as articles of impeachment against the president , 50 think that President Trump obstructed justice. 37 do not. And 45 think the president committed bribery, 37 do not. When asked if it was Standard Practice for president s to ask important leaders that investigate political rivals, only 22 said it was typical. Among republicans, 33 thought this was normal practice. Overall pretty devastating numbers for the president. They are devastating up and down the line. Donny deutsch, my gosh, you look at all of the numbers. Im still stubbnned by the top number, 50 still want him impeached and removed from office, only 41 dont. You know, 4 want him impeached but not removed. Those are devastating numbers. Bill clinton never got into the 30s on impeachment and it just i just think about the republicans that have been running around telling everybody and also trump hacks who work for online newspapers running around writing columns saying that this has been horrible for the democrats and nancy pelosi. Those numbers are devastating up and down the line for any politician, republican or democrat alike. They are and theyre absolute. But theres one thing that, to me, say gray cloud amongst the Silver Lining is that since october, which when we paraded the most credible witnesses that you could possibly have, whether theyre life had long people that gave their service to the country down to gordon sondland, it hasnt moved. Its still at 50. Thats the concern to me, that it is so baked at this point, one would have thought if we went back to october, that 50 or 49 would have gone to 56, 57, 58. And the needle is not moving at all. So although the numbers, when you look at them in their absolute terms and obviously the rage is going to give us some real deep insight, that say great name, by the way, that, to me, that they havent moved say bit kerngs concerning to me. Lets go through the numbers and talk about the majority wanting him to be removed, but also those other questions that were asked about obstruction and the other areas on that really took apart the president S Performance in this ukraine scandal. What jumps out at you . Sure. Let me throw an object, maybe a cup or something first on the table to live up to the rage here. What don nip was sayiny is sayi this fox news poll, this is the worst poll on impeachment ive seen for trump in some time. But that said, take a look at the average of all polls out there. If you look at that right now, its 47 impeach, 46 dont. Thats consistent with where its been. Im look at one this morning that came out that has the opposite of fox. So really it was a big jump when this ukraine story broke whether all the key characters were introduced to the public, you saw the numbers move up to where you are right now in the polls. I think donny is right, big picture of those havent changed. They speak to every republican being against this, basically every democrat being for this. And that polarization that youve seen since 2016. I think from the white houses standpoint, yeah, no president wants to be impeached. No president wants that to be part of his or her legacy. But from a survival standpoint, thats been the key to the white house on this. If you keep that republican number, support among republicans for the president at 90 plus, thats going to keep republicans in the house and senate. And i think largely, in fact, completely at this point thats what weve seen. But, you know, adrienne, it must be the old politician in me. When i look at numbers like that, i think, boy, i would be spouting that on the campaign. I mean, if democrats know how to fight and theres actually no evidence that on the campaign trail they do know how to fight donald trump. But if they did know how to fight donald trump, i would lift those numbers, i would be pounding him day in and day out. I would be pounding Susan Collins day in and day out. Thom tillis day in and day out. Cory gardner. Wait a second, youre voting to acquit this guy when . And then i would just get my five top numbers out of that fox news poll which makes it doubly powerful on the campaign trail for independents. And, again, i understand what donnys saying, i understand what steves saying, it hasnt moved as much as maybe trumps opponents would like. I dont care. If im a democrat running against a republican, i scoop up those numbers and i bang republican candidates over the head from now until election day on it talking about how sleazy he is and even a fox news poll shows that americans believe that this president crossed every line he could with his sleazy actions. Yeah, joe, i think you basically just wrote the ad for the dccc. We talk about how these numbers will impact trumps reelection. We dont talk about how it will affect the election of the senators in these swing states which you just mentioned which will be crucial to winning or not winning the presidency for donald trump. States like North Carolina, thom tillis. Arizona, martha mcsally. Even iowa, joni ernst. Were going to name several senators that will have a difficult time not defend gts president should she go in that direction. The independent voters is the number i look at. In the last poll when it was conducted in late october, 38 of independents supported impeachment. Now that number has gone up to 45 . Democrats are going win this election at the white house, the ballot box, and down to the senate races by getting independent voters, a majority of them, in our corner and also getting those suburban swing voters. When you look at the numbers holistically, im more concerned less with where the majority of americans are and more concerned with where those independent voters are and where those swing voters are when it comes to this election. Absolutely. And you take swing states, lets talk about, Jonathan Lemire, North Carolina. Heres a swing state that donald trump actually won a bit more easily than others. But even if donald trump wins North Carolina, look at thom tillis. In a poll i saw, hes only at 31 approval rating, low 30s. And he just that guy, i mean, Mitch Mcconnells not going to have enough money to throw at that guy to help him win that race because his reputation right now four, five years in is so bad. Mcconnells going to have a race of his known kentucky. So, again, these numbers may not be as bad for the president , but what about those senators like tillis who, again, low 30s . I mean, hows he going hows he going to balance this when its time to vote on impeachment and these numbers look so bad for the president . Yeah, tillis is a great example. Hes one of a number of republicans. You and adrienne just outlined who are going to face a lot of scrutiny here for their vote who are in difficult races, who have seen their poll numbers really sink in the last couple years of trumps since trump took office. And, yes, the president , in his reelection team, theyre exuding a lot of confidence. They held a briefing for some select reporters last week. We attended that. And they point to since impeachment began and the ukraine matter burst into the headlines in september, the fundraising numbers went up. The attendance at rallies has gone up, the social media interactions has gone up and theyre saying in their internal data theyre seeing independents in battleground states souring on impeachment. But these are all these are not overwhelming numbers either. They realize that theyre in a close fight going forward. And certainly everything will change if the republicans arent able to hang on to the senate or if they lose a number of seats. And that will shape the landscape in washington entirely and a lot of people are frustrated that they havent opted to run for the senate instead where they could pick up some of the seats in the is a big moment for the senate in weeks ahead and right now and well see later, schumer and mcconnell are going to start with negotiations as to what the trial looks like. But the president has his own ideas. He prefer a long, showy trial thinking he could be exonerated with this and call up hunter biden, call up joe biden, thinking it could almost be a reality tv show. Mcconnell has made it clear he s not interested in that at all. A new poll shows that all five top democratic contenders are beating President Trump. Bernie sanders beats trump by six points, 49 to 43 . Joe biden leads trump by a sevenpoint margin, 48 to 40 wurn . Elizabeth warren slides by the president 46 to 45. Michael bloomberg wins by five points, 45 to 40. And Pete Buttigieg wins with a na narrow victory of 43 to 42 . Donny deutsch, its fascinating, Bernie Sanders, the guy that he constantly calls a socialist top of the list. Bernie does well in these things. Joe biden does well in these things. Elizabeth warren down a little bit. But, again, donald trump losing fairly badly to the top two democrats right now. I must have woken up open the wrong side of the bed because i go back to the polls and go back to what happened at the beginning of the show where you had a hard left candidate and got destroyed. I look at those polls and see Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren ahead of trump and i go im not looking at those polls, thats baloney. They get devastated. The biden opening, when you talk about dividing, its a different way of dividing us and its absolute youre either on our team or youre on the other team if you dont subscribe to some of these socialistic tenants. If democrats are looking at those polls and feeling good about themselves, they shouldnt. I do not believe any of those hard left candidates come close to beating President Trump. I do donnt disagree with d especially when it is donald trump against one other candidate and how voters feel about that candidate, how comfortable they feel making the leap to voting for someone like Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders versus donald trump. Those those people adrienne was talking about in the swing states, the independents, people who might be little fed up with trump, i just dont see how they vote for Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren. But, so ed, though, i wonder with Bernie Sanders if we have corbynism without corbyn. I only say that because after the 2016 election, and that shocked, of course, people that are in the media and are in the Political Class that are in the Political Classes, but there were a lot of articles about people who voted for donald trump but would have voted for Bernie Sanders if sanders if sanders actually made the ticket. And that, of course, where would that be . Right. Wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania. Sanders has a certain resonance among workingclass voters that i think in general elections we havent seen evidence of Elizabeth Warren having. A lot of people try to lump these two together. I dont i dont think they go hand in hand in some cases if you believe, you know, the postmortems in 2016. With there was that famous poll West Virginia with trump beat hillary i think the largest margin other than wyoming. But if bernie and issinsanders the nominee, he would have won 4846. So treat it with some skepticism. But it showed a very, very different attitude towards Bernie Sanders than the corporate defeat mig corporate corbyn defeat might imply. Corbyn sat on the fence. He was unsectarian and he faced a party ruthlessly straightforward message, which is get brexit done. Three words and a very active. As indeed they had in the 2016 referendum, take back control. Labor had a very sort of ambivalent message like maybe well have a referendum, another one. We dont know which side well be on. I subpoenspect sanders if he wee nominee would have a clear message and he wouldnt have the whiff of antisemitism around him either. Its important to not over do the comparisons. The differences are probably more important. So, adrienne, fox news also had a poll that talked about the democrats running. Once again had joe biden on top and once again and i will say this has been the Biggest Surprise for me over the past month. Elizabeth warren continuing to drop, minus eight. And i just sit and look at those numbers and say, is she really losing all of this support because she put out a very Progressive Program . Its i didnt in the Democratic Party, i would not have expected this political bleeding to continue, but it does in just about every poll. And look at teflon joe. Teflon joe just staying up there, jack. Hes just staying up there and not slipping. Teflon joe, durable joe, i mean, call it what you want to call it, but he has weathered some storms, joe, during this primary. And so far hes stayed on top consistently. Hes also the only candidate in this race, i know we talked about this many times on the show, but hes the only candidate running in the democratic primary who can really attract a diverse elector ra ate. Joe biden is far is the person who has the most support among that community. Well see if anything changes and how the first for states shake out. Perhaps even though iowa say largely white state, i do think whoever wins iowa will have a lot of momentum going into the other three states. Well see how that affects the outcome. When it comes to Elizabeth Warren, ive been a little surprised by her drop in the polls. But i do think when she came out and said this will cost 52 trillion, my medicare for all plan, a lot of people took a step back and said im just not sure i want to support a costly plan like that. And everybody remembers, everyone remembers how hard it was to pass the Affordable Care act in 2010 with a fully controlled Democratic House and white house, it was still very difficult to pass. Americans remember that. And they want to keep their health care, a majority of americans want to have the option of keeping their private health insurance. Everybody remembers that, adrienne, except for the Democratic Candidates that were running for president. I could not believe what i was hearing in the first three debates as one after another after another suddenly attacked barack obama and attacked obamacare. That was a twoyear political fight to the death. And, mika, for them to just toss that aside and act like, oh, well thats nothing. Were now going to really produce this huge overhaul. Yeah. Also want to follow up on what ed said. Its too much change. You dont want to draw too many parallels between last weeks britain vote and the american election. But there does seem to be one, if you read eds paper over the past few days and you look at Elizabeth Warrens numbers dr dropping, there was heavy skepticism among labor voters in the midlands and the north that jeremy corb Jeremy Corbyn could not deliver on the radical promss ises he w making. Thats what you hear about Elizabeth Warrens medicare price tag with a price tag of 52 trillion. America doesnt have that kind of money. Ill ask Steve Kornacki, what do you make of Elizabeth Warrens drop . But also i noticed Mike Bloomberg. Wheres he coming from and whats making it happen . The warren, i think im with joe on this just in being surprised at the scale of the drop that warren has suffered here. I think one thing weve seen in the polling consistently is more than weve seen in past elections, democratic voters say they are fixated on this idea of electability. Its a very difficult to define, obviously, electability is theability to win the election. Everything else is hypothetical. I wonder if there are a chunk of democratic voters who looked at the heat warren was starting to get on this Health Care Plan and played that out and said do we want as a party to be attached for this debate to be the defining debate of the 2020 president ial election dore president ial election or do we want to go after trump on Something Else . Weve seen more strategic things make their ways into the polls. Those numbers there, very difficult for me to make sense of when you poll bloomberg right now because hes attempting to do something weve have seen with any candidate, thats skipping iowa and skipping New Hampshire, and skipping South Carolina, nevada, and then trying to jump start everything. Theres such an unknown in terms of who is going to emerge from the first four states. We always see somebody get incredible momentum coming out of those early states. The track record, by the way, of somebody who has won iowa and turned around and won New Hampshire eight days later, four times thats happened in the nominating contest and all four times that candidate has gone on to win the nomination. Thats the kind of momentum you can develop by winning early. And you never underestimate the unknown. I think also what steves saying, those democrats, they want their core values and they want to represent them, but at the same time they want stability as well and that may end up being joe biden. They want to win. Exactly. Still ahead on morning joe, more numbers to show you including how in those hypothetical 2020 matchups President Trump wins with men but loses big with women and what that could mean. Also, president ial candidate Julian Castro joins the conversation. Hes hammering the dnc over its primary process. As we mentioned, the top democrat in the u. S. Senate Chuck Schumer joins us just ahead. But first lets go to bill karins with a check on the forecast. Bill. We have a snowstorm and ice storm breaking now the what will be in the northeast tomorrow. Worst of it has moved through the mid atlanta region. The main roads within the beltway are just fine. This storm is now extending for almost 2,000 miles. Its actually in two pieces, but we go from witcha cha, kansas city and st. Louis got hit yesterday. As far as the snow forecast goes, were just about done in kansas city. St. Louis could pick up another three to 6 inches in the son top of the 4 inches yesterday. And this red is 8 inches just south of st. Louis in the is interstate 70. Thats the most treacherous drive today. All the way through ohio. Then tonight we see the snow and ice breaking out through pennsylvania, Southern Tier of new york, the Hudson Valley and cass skil catskills could pick up 7 inches of snow. As far as ice goes, a little bit of ice in the areas of p pennsylvania. I dont think well get Power Outages but it will be slippery. And mississippi, alabama, we could see a few strong tornadoes later on though afternoon. Even though its the middle of december, that can happen. As far as airports go, watch out st. Louis and memphis. Most significant delays and minor delays possible today, philly and d. C. But come tomorrow morning we could see major airport problems in areas like new york city. Earlier we saw snowflakes near the capital. Looks like its tapering off a little bit for your morning drive. Well be right baht bacck. Youre watching morning joe. C youre watching morning joe. Oh theres no place like home for the holidays. For the holidays you cant beat home sweet home. We go the extra mile to bring your holidays home. Hi. Maria ramirez mom maria Maria Ramirez. Mcdonalds is committing 150 Million Dollars in tuition assistance, education, and career advising programs. 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Is it appropriate to be voicing your opinion even before this gets to the senate as a trial . Well, i must think so because im doing it. Some people have said i wont vote for impeachment. Some house members have said i will not vote for an impeachment. Let me tell you, please dont say that until you understand what wur votiyoure voting on. Members of the senate have said i understand everything there is to know about this case and i wont vote to impeach the president. Please allow the facts do the talking. Nobody knows whether the president what the articles of impeachment are. People have made up their mind in a political fashion that will hurt this country long term. If you dont if you cant vote for impeachment, give us the due justice to the case. Dont decide the case before the case is in. And that bothers me greatly. I have clearly made up my mind. Im not trying to hide the fact that i have disdain for the accusations in the process so i dont need any witnesses. Wow, that was another edition of our favorite game, whatever happened to Lindsey Graham. You know, the most disgraceful part of it is the fact that he had actually, donny, he actually is proud of the fact. Hes actually bragging about the fact that hes not going to be fair. He seems to take great pride in the fact that he is going to be everything that he hated back when i knew him. What he would say about democrats, hed say youre jurors, how can you make a decision before the first bit of evidence is in . And, again, i mean, lindsey now is bragging about the fact that hes going to be biased and hes not going to listen to any facts. Or follow the law. And hes not going to follow the facts, hes not going to follow the laws, he doesnt care what it is, and he thinks its fun. I whats so sad is they are legislators and before this process begins they take an oath to act as jurors. But like anything else nothing is sacred. And once again, joe, you and i have bandied about this a lot, is how do these people not understand how history going view them . Its so clear and obvious that to sell their soul to the delve this way, we know how youre going to vote but to thumb your nose that way and denigrate the oath youre about to take is quite sad. And lets bring in also msnbc contributor and National Political reporter for axios, Jonathan Swan and mike barnicle, i asked you whose wife is 30 ninth powerful in the world, thats all. Shes powerful. Mike, you look at Lindsey Graham there, and, again, he thinks its cute. Hes laughing about it. Hes bragging about the fact that hes biased. That hes not going to do all the things that he claimed was so necessary to save the republican republic in 1998. And lindsey is making matters much worse. Hes an officer of the wore the. He worst. Hes a lawyer, he tried cases so he understand hows despicable this is. He also is the chairman of the Senate Judiciary committee. And, yet, there he is in doha mocking the entire situation and saying, yeah, im going to be biased. I dont want any facts, despite the fact just a couple months ago he was saying, well, if there were to be quid pro quo proven, then i would have real problems. Well, the quid pro quo was proven. The payoff, the attempted bribery was proven and yet heres Lindsey Graham making a big joke about the fact that he has no respect well, for anything. Joe, if it was your intent to make this whole episode more depressing, youve just done it with that introduction here. I mean, donny donny mentioned something that is really playing a part in this. You know, how will history view these people . Unfortunately, we are now in an age and a culture where there is no more history. There is no more truth. Its all within the next hour, its all within whats on your phone. Theres no more conscience in the United States senate, really. Were going to have Chuck Schumer on in a little bit and he is presiding over an impeachment trial or hes, you know, one part of an impeachment trial where the decisions been ordained, its already preordained. We knows whats going to happen. Its never happened before in the United States of america that something as legitimate and serious as impeachment is being dealt with in such a fife loriv manner. And lets go toto jonathan s who is the Group Reporting on this . I was the one who interviewed Lindsey Graham and he said that if he saw a quid pro quo he would be very, very disturbed and then two days after that interview Mick Mulvaney gets up and says at the press conference, yeah, theres a quid pro quo, everyone does it. We went back to Lindsey Graham and said, okay, you said two days ago to me on camera that if there was a quid pro quo youd be Mick Mulvaney stood on stage and acknowledged it, does that change your view . And he said, no. So from that point forward, it was very clear what was going to happen there. Though i will just say something, which is Lindsey Graham is simply saying outloud what, you know, this whole farce that most people havent made up their mind and theyre deliberate saying farce. I understand the need to kind of present that for niceties and to sort of appear that youre going through this process. But its just not true even when you hear House Democrats say i still havent made up my mind. Almost 95 , 98 , its just not true. But back to the yes men, let me tell you. So we have done a story, the office of manage men and budgme is one of the most under covered parts of the administration. When President Trump continually detectives frustrated that he doesnt get what he wants, when he asks his lawyers do this for me and they say, no, thats illegal, we cant do that, he then turns to what we call the yes men. And they have embraced that month nicker. Its russ vogue. You just go through the list of things. From reprogramming pentagon money to build the wall, which is now tied up in courts and the white House Counsel opposed that, so slowing down the disbursement of aid to puerto rico, to holding up foreign aid from not just ukraine, multiple countries, lebanon, various other countries. President trump tweeted about wildfires which was basically forest pu forest pungency. But im told theyre trying to come up with a policy to attach some kind of kconditionality to funds to california in wlien that tweet. If you line it up, its a striking picture and weve done that in that story. It really is. You can find that in axios. Jonathan swan, thank you so much. And coming up, a democratic congressman who has been vocally opposed to impeaching President Trump is reportedly planning on leaving the party. House judiciary chairman jerry nadler is brushing it off. Well talk about what it means for democrats as we head for an Impeachment Vote this week. 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Try listerine® ready tabs™. All right. Joe, just for you and ed, the wall street Journal Editorial Board is writing about the british election. Its called britains red alert for democrats. And since the labor party leathered to t lurched to the left, it lost the party. The reasons are a warning to americans democrats. Mr. Corbyn offered more spending in spades in this campaign, plus promises to radically reshape the british economy. He promised to nationalize utilities, railways and even broadband service, to tax private schools, to impose new taxes on homeowners, and to create a new Higher Education entitlement. The progressive in lariat cheered, but the working base saw through it. They felt they could be bought off when what they really want after the brexit referendum is respect. All should be cause for the u. S. Election for the democrats. The president ial candidates have responded to the 2016 defeat by trying to buy off President Trumps working class base with corbynlike taxes, spending, and identity politics. British voters didnt buy it and the danger for democrats is that americans wont either. So and jumping into the democratic fray, is a candidate who many like, but wants to buy the election. I mean, is using his own money to fund it. Hes about as far from Jeremy Corbyn as possible. I know. Im wondering, ed luce, how many parallels do you draw . I couldnt help but see in the m midlands and the north of Great Britain those workingclass towns going conservative and thinking about how republicans like me were shocked that in 2016 wisconsin, michigan, and pennsylvania went republican again sort of deindustrialized northern towns. And, of course, the flip side of that coin is very posh areas in the cities in london remaining labor, a radical labor program. So the class sort of confusion or muddle now in british politics is complete. I think its slightly cherry picking editorial, but what they didnt mention was that Boris Johnson ran a campaign what he calls one nation toyism. And in addition to brexit, he would spend lots and billions and billions more pounds on the National Health service, invest billions in infrastructure in the north of england. Its all quite familiar if you remember trumps 2016 campaign. And in other words, he kind of neutralized the originality of jeremy kcorbyns big public spending because Boris Johnson was promising big public spending as well. So it is a slightly more nuanced picture than simply drawing a Straight Line between Jeremy Corbyns defeat and saying Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders are unelectable. I think its a more subtle picture than that. And how interesting, Steve Kornacki, the parallels that are trying to be drawn here corbyn and american democrats when actually maybe the tightest parallel is between big spending tories and big spending republicans. Donald trump sounding a lot like a liberal. Doesnt matter, i dont care what Social Security and medicares financial situation have im not going to touch them. There you are had in Great Britain last week Boris Johnson winning not as a conservative, but as a bigspending tori. Its really interesting which i go back about 20 years here when i was figuring out politics in the world, think the trendy thing in politics here and maybe internationally too, supposedly the magic formula was you needed to be economically conservative and fiscally liberal. I think that guided the consensus for how elections are won and lost. And now what it points to theres a politically powerful combination that i dont think has been tapped by politicians really from either party. And that is something that gets a little bit more to the left on economics and a little bit more to the right on cultural questions. And i think thats what ed is just describing there in terms of what Boris Johnson ran on, he put labor, he put Jeremy Corbyn out there by himself on cultural issues and social issues, but then claimed labors turf on economic questions that he had big expansive safety net and big investment in infrastructure. He talked about climate change. Things you dont hear and take that back to the United States, republicans dont talk about it. You have a Democratic Party on cultural issues off to the left. You have a Republican Party despite how donald trump campaigned in 2016, did not exploit those openings that he has exposed on economic questions. So i think here and in britain theres a combination that hasnt been tried a lot that either party could seize and make head way with. Its a great point, because we did all grow up hearing that the way to win was to be fiscally conservative and economically liberal. I remember Chris Matthews once saying that the state of pennsylvania was different from all other states because the way to win there was to be socially conservative and economically liberal. Well, if that is the case, and it looks like pennsylvania was the future, showing the way tornado the future not only for the u. S. , but also for britain where you spend all the money you can, you spend yourself into debt, but, you know, you sound social socially conservative on a variety of issues and that does seem, at least for now, to be the winning formula. Steve kornacki and ed luce, thank you both for being oth the sh both for being on the show this morning. Still ahead, a moment of joy on a difficult day. Now the New Town High SchoolFootball Team is helping the town heal seven years after the tragedy at sandy hook elementary school. Youll love this story. 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I have so many kids and so much laundry. I dont have time for pretreating. What even is this . It looks like cheese but it smells like barf. With tide pods, you dont need to worry. The pretreaters are built in. So you just toss them in before the clothes. Tide pods dissolve even when the water is freezing. Nice if its got to be clean, its got to be tide. Seven years after the unbearable loss at sandy hook elementary school, a football championship is reuniting the town of newtown, connecticut, and helping a community heal. Nbcs kate snow has the story. Reporter it unfolded in dramatic fashion. With just second left, the score tied. Steps into a throw. Reporter but 36yard pass caught making the newtown night hawks state companies. A big win on a day that carries too many painful memories. Exact exactly 2010 years ago, many children lost their lives. Many wore green in their honor. On the field saturday several players who once attended sandy hook elementary. Ben lost his little brother jack in the shooting. Jack was only six but loved football. His face painted here with the new york giants logo. He was buried in the teams jersey. On saturday night, his big brother helped bring home their first championship since 1992. Its a tremendous year and football in general and sports . General have the ability to bring people together. Its just the elation that we felt emotional elation was just incredible. Reporter for a community that suffered so much, a unifying moment that delivered joy. You know, mike, that that town that suffered just an inexplicable loss, the most horrifying thing that i can think of in so long. You know, theyve been recovering through the years. Theyve been using their pain to help others. Weve been to some benefits and been so moved by their strength. But it was a nice it was a very nice night for a town that has gone through hell and not just from the horrid tragedy, but, you know, from conspiracy theorists that drag drag their names through the mud, conspiracy theyorists who are elevated by journalists who arent journalists at all. Conspiracy theorists bragging in lawsuits now about how they were proud about what they did. This was a nice night after so many years of hell. Joe, just the startling number in kate snows report, 20 children, babies, shot and killed in their school in a moment that everyone who was lucky enough to be alive today knows where they were and what they were doing when they heard the news of what happened that day in newtown. And yet the story is terrific. Its a warm story. It makes you feel good. But still that town is recovering and thats the thats the tense, is recovering. Will always be recovering. Because you never fully heal from what happened that day. And youre right, i mean, the number of people on the far right mostly who tended to say things publicly that this was made up, that it never happened and yet here we are seven years and a few days later, it did happen. And it will always be there. And, yeah. And, mika, again, its just it was a moving night for the town. But, again, you think about the horrors of that day and you think about the sleaze merchants who prayed eyed on those famili with conspiracy theories and those who promoted in Mainstream Media those conspiracy theories for cheap ratings, just absolutely despicable. They need to search deep within their soul for what they have done as well. I dont think youll find the a soul. Exactly. It was a beautiful moment, though, the boy who with the final catch, i know i dont know football too well. He had like three seconds left. That ball was being carried by an angel, that football. And it was an incredible play for a young man who had lost his little brother at sandy hook. And to be able to be deliver that, look at him, for the town really. Must have been a good moment of victory. A small victory. Yeah. Mike barn knack will, Donny Deutsch, Jonathan Lemire and Adrienne Elrod are all still with us. And joining the conversation, nbc news correspondent hidedeidd editor at large of the conservative website, bill kristol joins us. Should we put the polls out again . Theyre so staggering in terms of bad news for the president. They really. And you hear hacks who work for donald trump in the news media saying, you know, writing these up and saying, oh, this has just been horrible for democrats. And, oh, nancy pelosi has just absolutely misjudged the electorate. She actually hasnt. Numbers from fox news are so devastating that they may not move a single republican thats voting, probably wont because they all run scared, but they will have aprn impact in the general election. You get a sense of where people are here. 50 of registered voters think the president should be impeached and removed from office. Thats up one point since october. 4 think he should be impeached but not removed from office. 41 do not think he should be impeached at all. When being loing at tlooking ats of impeachment broughtpy House Democrats, 53 believe President Trump abused the power of his office. 34 do not. 48 believe he obstructed justice, 34 believe he did not. And when they could have brot forward articles of impeachment against the president , 50 believe he obstructed jess, 37 do not. 45 believe the president committed bribery, 37 do not. When asked if it was Standard Practice for president s to ask foreign leaders that investigate political rivals, only 22 said it was typical. Among republicans, 33 thought this practice was normal. This is a simple equation to make. Do you shakedown a political leader for dirt onny your political rival and is that good for the United States of america . People can do that math. They can do that math. You just go through the numbers and theyre just devastating. Bill kristol, 54 of voters, according to fox news, think dump should be impeached. 50 think he should be impeached and removed from office. 41 dont. A majority also believe he abused the powers of his office and the majority also believes he obstructed justice and 40 you 5 to 37 believe he committed acts of bribery. Only in Donald TrumpsRepublican Party would there be politicians and hacks in the media saying these are good numbers for this president. Yeah. As you know, joe, those numbers have changed quite a lot in the last three months. The numbers who wanted trump impeached three months ago before the ukraine story broke were high 30s based on the mueller report, below 40 . Which shows that people for all that were incredibly polarized and tribal and most people arent listening to evidence perhaps, some people are. Ten , 15 of the American Public are heard, read about what happened with ukraine, heard some of the testimony before congress before the house and changed their mind. Which is why mcconnell and trump especially mcconnell, wants to shut it down so quickly in the senate. Is they are nervous. For all the talk about now all the movements ended is what the political pundits are saying, its 54 41 for impeachment, but nothing can change, everyones locked in. Im not so sure. What if we had testimony in the senate . Which is why i think its important to get the truth out there and let the public see what happened, to have a serious trial in the senate and key to that will be do some republican senators break from Mitch Mcconnell and constitute a kind of constitutional caucus, if you will, work with democrats across the aisle and try to say lets have a reasonable trial, controlled, not craziness, but with real witnesses on each side, enough time to consider the evidence and for the public to consider the evidence. And maybe at the end of the day no one changes his vote or her vote and that is fine, incidentally, that is fine. But lets have a serious constitutional process. For me, thats the big question once the house expeevimpeaches wednesday, do some republicans break from the sham to have a trial . And mcconnell wants to rush it, it seems for good reason. Donald trump talking about how he wants to drag this out. The longer you drag things out, the more the unexpected can happen. The more a court can rule that john bolton needs to testify or Mick Mulvaney needs to testify. It doesnt seem to make a lot of sense. But, Jonathan Lemire, it seems donald trump and a lot of his top aides are whistling past the graveyard and suggesting they want, according to your reporting, a long, drawnout, showy trial where a lot of bad things can happen. And, again, a guy like, you know, thom tillis whos only at 31 , 32 in North Carolina, hes got to be thinking oh my god, this can only get worse for me every day. I mean, you look at a guy like thom tillis, this impeachment since hes so week, this could actually cost republicans a seat in North Carolina and make Chuck Schumer the next majority leader. Sure. It puts a lot of republican senators in vulnerable positions this trial coming up. But youre right. The president , hes decided he is working on Vantage Point that impeachment has become a political advantage for him and he thinks that a trial, he wants it long, he things inks it will o thinks it will air out to the American Public. He likes the idea of a spectacle and drama. He is pushing for weeks long trial where there will be witnesses called. The witness easy wants called are names like hunter biden and the whig will blowstleblower t. The whistleblower has not been identified publicly. But that is coming up with resistance for republicans who worry and just injects variables into it. It adds a degree of uncertainty in an outcome that does seem preordained. Mcconnell has expressed a preference for a shorter trial, maybe a week or two starting on january 6th. And even Lindsey Graham has made it clear he knows his mind is made up, hes backing the president. He even said yesterday or the day before in an interview that he actually thinks its okay for a president to seek have another country investigate a political foe. But even he yesterday said in an interview in a moment of an audience of one where he was trying to send a message to the president said, you know, i dont think we need to call witnesses here. Because as much as you want to call someone like a hunter biden, suddenly witnesses are injected into a senate trial that maybe mike pompeo is going to have to testify or john bolton. Nothing can googood can come ofs what he told the president. Were telling you youre going to get acquitted, dont mess with the process. Now history will judge them for having this sham trial, but thats the political message theyre trying to send to the white house. Don no, i, we had donny, we disagreement last hour, you think these numbers are good for the president. Just dont underestimate. Let me give you the numbers. 54 of voters, not americans, voters, 54 of voters think donald trump should be impeached. 50 believe he should be impeach and removed from office, 41 think he should stay. 53 believe he abused, was guilty of abusing power in office. A majority 50 believe he obstructed justice. Only 37 said he did not. And 45 of americans to 37 believe he was guilty of bribery. A plurality or a majority believe donald trump is guilty as charged by the democrats in these articles of impeachment. How is that good news . I didnt say the numbers are absolutely good. What i said i was disappointed and surprised was when you go back to october, bill, to your point you said it moved ten. By october the ukraine scandal was out there. Since weve paraded the most credible witnesses and brought thissing t this thing to life, it hasnt moved. I would be lying if i said i wasnt disappointed after the last couple of months and after the testimony and really seeing blood and guts attached to it, it didnt move. But i think adrienne brought up the most important thing, independents went from 38 to 45 that. Was the biggest jump anywhere. The other final thought, the word every time it is said, that i learn forward, is bribery because its a criminal word. And obstruction of congress and abuse of power, yes, those are negative terms. But i love that bribery word i love that extortion word, because those are criminal words. I know this were hesitant to put them in because they couldnt prove the criminality. But as you move into the general election, those are the words, we have a president that bribed, that extort and he will extort your health care and extort education. Hes extorted the tax process by basically stealing from the poor and giving to the rich. So those are really meaty words that i hope we take forward. So, heidi, i want to get a sense of what youre looking at and perhaps more the sense as to why they didnt expand the scope of the impeachment charges given fact that there is so much evidence. Well, because they did not want to go down the rabbit hole of having republicans say, we cant try this case because we still have a lot of this caught up in the courts in terms of don mcgahn testifying before the senate. They wanted to keep it tight and narrow and easy for the public to understand. Of course what were now seeing is that despite that, theres still some profound misunderstandings among the public about what actually transpired here. We saw our meet the press panel of republicans who still believe falsely that this was about one phone call, despite all of the evidence showing a pattern of withholding aid that was congressionally approved, that was approved by the dod, and that actually was approved by donald trump himself in the years 2017 and 2018 and that was just held after joe biden announced his run for the presidency. I also wanted to weigh in on these numbers, because i think theres another really important number here that could tell us why a short trial could also be very damaging not for the president , but for the entire Republican Party. Because in this poll it shows the intensity here is really on the side of democrats believing that democrats are acting in good faith here. By 16point margin, people believe that republicans are acting politically in protecting trump more than democrats are acting politically in impeaching him. So what you have here is lets game this out. Lets say you have a short senate trial. These cases will continue to wind their way through the courts. We may hear from john bolton who will have a book. Lev parnas wants to datalk. His tax returns could come out. Theres all kinds of things that could happen now and the 2020 elections. You already have 54 of the American Public who believes he should be impeached. A year from now, whos bog to be more angry . The base . The trump base whos going to believe when the president says ive been exonerated or the Democratic Base which already believes that their party is acting in good faith, and, by the way, the independents seem to agree with them here and think that basically the president was allowed to walk without even a fair trial being held. So i do think that this poll tells us a lot about which way the wind could blow if mcconnell does not allow what the publicer is seefs perceives as a fair tr all right. Heidi, thank you so much. Bill kristol, thank you as well. President trump wants to call witnesses in the impeachment trial, so does Chuck Schumer. Senator schumer joins the conversation next on morning joe. S the conversation next on morning joe. Every year, our analysts visit thousands of companies, in a multitude of countries, where we get to know the people that drive a companys growth and gain new perspectives. Thats why we go beyond the numbers. T. Rowe price. Invest with confidence. And i approve this message. Beyond the numbers. Climate is the number one priority. I would declare a state of emergency on day one. Congress has never passed an important climate bill, ever. This is a problem which continues to get worse. Ive spent a decade fighting and beating oil companies, stopping pipelines, stopping fossil fuel plants, ensuring clean energy across the country. How are we going to pull this country together . We take on the biggest challenge in history, we save the world and we do it together. Male anchor . 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Members of the senate have said i understand everything there is about this case and i wont vote to impeach the president. Please allow the facts to do the talking. Nobody knows whether the president what the articles of impeachment are. People have made up their mind in a political fashion that will hurt this country long term. It you dont if you cant vote for impeachment, give us the due justice to the case. Dont decide the case before the case has end. And this bothers me greatly. This thing will come to the senate and it will die quickly and i will do everything i can to make it die quickly. I am trying to give a pretty clear signal i have made up my mind. Im not trying to pretend to be a fair juror here. Is it appropriate to be voicing your opinion even before this gets to the senate as a trial . Well, i must think so because im doing it. Lets bring in right now Senate Majority minority leader democrat Chuck Schumer of new york and senator. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Obviously when you see Lindsey Graham there youre not talking about a back venture that is saying that hes hes going to vote the way hes going to vote before he sees the first bit of evidence. And obviously a massive hypocrite by just judge him on the two clips. You have the the Senate Judiciary chairman, how low of a point is this for that committee that their chairman is sinking to such depths . Look, i think his comments demean him. It says far more about Lindsey Graham than anything about this trial. And lindsey should remember, and he knows darn well this is a serious and solemn obligation. The charges against the president that the house has put together are very, very serious. And to say you wont look at the facts, look at the evidence makes no sense. We want the facts to come out. We dont want to have a dilatory trial. We dont want to have a biased trial. We dont want a trial where extraneous issues of their side or our side are brought in. What weve asked for this morning is really guided by joe friday from drag net for those who remember him, just the facts, maam. And thats what we want. The facts. The four witnesses weve asked for are the documents weve asked for are directly dispositive on what the actual facts were. Now, the house came up with a whole lot, but theres some of my republican colleagues who say these charges are serious but im not sure theres enough to evidence. Thats why these people should come. I hope this letter ive sent now to every one of my colleagues, democrat and republican, i hope some of my republican colleagues will say, in all fairness, we ought to hear these people. Theres not a single reason that has been given why the four witnesses weve asked for, white documents weve asked for should not be presented. I dont know what theyll say. Maybe theyll be exculpatory to President Trump. But to not have them is to engage in a coverup. Is to say were afraid and the American People will ask of President Trump and people like Mitch Mcconnell if he doesnt have a full and fair trial, what are you hide something what are you hiding . You know, Mitch Mcconnell obviously wants to have the noshow trial. He wants to make it as fast as possible. The president of the United States wants a show biz trial, according to Jonathan Lemire, wants this thing to be dragged out as long as possible. Is there a possibility of Common Ground between you and the president of the United States on making this trial longer so actually we can get all the facts . Well, we dont want it dilatory and we dont want all these shiny object extraneous issues conspiracy theories. It Lindsey Graham wants to pursue conspiracy theories, can he do that in the Judiciary Committee. If does he it here, he demeans the senate, he demeans the constitution, and the American People, theyre one of the judges. Are these senators, democrat and republican, looking for the facts and looking for fairness or are they trying to divert, are they trying to cover up . Thats a fundamental decision that every senator must ask him or herself. You know, you talk about the American People vir to get yo, your numbers that weve been going over this morning. 54 of americans want him etch peechd a impeached. 53 to 38 believe he was guilty of abusing the powers of his office. 50 to 37 , again, another majority, believe he was guilty of obstructing justice. And the get this, a clear plural alt, 35 to 47 of voters say donald trump was guilty of bribery. Whats your reaction to that . Well, my rhode islaeelection the election had what we tried to put forward was something that was fair, that got all the facts out, that honed in on witness whos have direct knowledge of these charges against President Trump. And they should come out. You know, joe, i was very moved by those seven congress members, all of whom have served in the military or cia, all of whom had who had been in districts that trump had won and some of whom thought they might lose their reelection if they called for impeachment. But they thought there was a duty for the congress, for the house to go forward and pursue this inquiry. Thats the kind of tone there ought to be here. And i hope we get the same measured dedication to country from some of our republican colleagues. They privately express concern about the president and what hes done, well, were not asking them to vote yes or no. She shouldnt decide that yet. Were asking them to stand up with us for a fair trial. You know, the american the expression we always say, the americans are entitled and the president s entitled to a fair and speedy trial. Not dilatory, ball tut all the must come out. Not what mcconnell is talking about, you argue, we argue and put it to bed. These witnesses are vital to determining exactly what has hand a happened and to see if the housestrong case will hold up. So i assume this week youre going to start negotiations with mcconnell on the shape of the trial . Two weeks ago i went to be mcconnell and said im willing to start talk about it. He didnt talk to me. He didnt ask to talk to me. Then he starts spinning out his own theories talking to the Republican Caucus and saying hes going to do just what the president wants. So we put this out so we could set up the ground rules for a fair discussion. I hope now he will talk to me. He said that yesterday after we put thought report. And i hope we can come to an agreement about a fair trial. Lets say hes willing to let some of these witnesses testify, whether it be Mick Mulvaney or john bolton. Would you be willing to sign off on republican witnesses to whether that be, perhaps, hunter biden or the whistleblower . Look, i am going to use as the standard do these folks have knowledge of the facts presented by the house some these witnesses do. Im not going to get into a negotiation here in public, but witnesses that are conspiraextrn other side shouldnt be in the trial. I dont know a Single Person does hunter biden know anything about the specific facts that were presented here, not once. So what is he doing at this trial . You know, one of the reasons that youve been so successful in the senate and the Senate Leadership is you can count. So right now, according to your count, you lose, right . Well, we dont know. I mean, thats why were doing this. There are republicans who are worried about whats happening in the country. There are republicans who say these facts are troubling but maybe we need to see more. And so my hope is that they will go along with this, we will move forward with the witnesses and documents we asked for, and then well see where the chips fall. I dont know where they will fall. So your travel schedule within new york state is crazy. Yes. I love new york. You do all i love buffalo after yesterday even more. A big win. But when you go out there, how do you explain the lack of fervor for impeachment among ordinaryworking americans. I think people are troubled by the president s way of operating the presidency. I hear this from people who even might be closer to his views that the way he conducts himself. When they say we dont like him tweeting, thats not just tweeting, thats his behavior, his conduct, his bullying, his dishonesty. And so i think when you look at Something Like this, if you say lets just get the facts, lets have a fair trial, most americans, including a good number of republicans, would go along. They would. Senator, i want to put you on the spot and youre going to do the campaign for the democrats for a democratic impeachment. We probably know how this will go and we will have an impeached president. How do the democrats take that versus just leaving the pocket and turn it to the general election and move it to Kitchen Table issues . That, to me, is the big challenge where this is a thing but youre not going to get him out of office on this in and of it self. How do you take that stain and move it to a bigger placely. Think if the president persists in covering up, persists in not having the kind of witnesses weve talked about, its going to hurt him with the American People. I cant make a prediction electorally nor do i want to as it comes to this. But the people do want to hear the facts. Im saying taking this case and moving but, yeah, just to answer your question, donny, we have always said that our number one we felt, the house and those seven in our emblah matic of the house, felt an obligation to move forward because you cant have a president abuse power and violate the law because if you do nothing, what he will do will be worse and what future president s will do worse. Were not supposed to have a king or a monarch, not some inwant it my wsomeone i want it and thats that. But thats a separate issue for the americans day to day. The ability to pay health care. Heres an interesting fact. A poll that i saw said which statement do you agree with me. In the past two years donald trump has created millions of good new jobs or in the past two years i find it harder to pay the bills . Three quarters of americans agree with the second. We have to make it easier to pay those bills to deal with the cost of the health care and prescription drugs, to deal with the costs of college, to deal with the kinds of things that average americans live with day by day. We have always been that party and that should be our number one focus, regardless of this impeachment. But it doesnt mean it cant do both. One should not the obligation to rule of law and the constitution is this. The obligation to the American People and making their lives better is is an additional issue thats probably more important to them and every bit as important to us. Senator, heidi has a question for you. Hi, heidi. You are all far away in that distant city of washington, d. C. Well, welcome back, i guess. Im here in new york, still. I see you. Ill be with you in a few hours. Senator, i think most americans would agree to that to have a fair trial you need to talk to the people who where are involved in the act. Bolton has through his attorney already told us that he knows more. Mick mulvaney is withholding documents documenting the paper trail and when forced to release them blacking them out. So, if you cannot get that fair trial, should Speaker Pelosi withhold the articles . We now have very prominent scholars, including larry tribe who advised house judiciary democrats saying if you cant get that fair trial you should withhold the articles. Would you support her doing that . Well, thats premature. I am i am hopeful we can get a fair trial. Thats why we put out this document. And i spent a lot of time thinking about this and crafting it so no one could say it leaned one way or the other, again, just the facts, maam. And so lets hope that happens. Lets hope that leader mcconnell rises to the occasion. And even if he doesnt, a good number of republicans, you only need four republicans to add to the 47 democrats to say, rushing this through and having each side make its argument and threat go away when these facts are yearning, yearning to come out and could come out with the cooperation of a handful of republicans, im hopeful that can happen. And then everyone prejudges what will happen in the future after that happens, well see where it goes from there. Senator Chuck Schumer, thank you very much if the was great to see you at the big apple half marathon. You were running dint recognize you. She was in a beanie all bundled up and she was doing the jingle the jingle bell run. [ laughter ] happy run, mika. I had fun. I was just giving high fives to the runners. Im not doing the run. I could see. I was like oh, my god, its schumer. But honestly, can he not run. Its night and day. Makeup. Very much mika. And then i looked at you, i said you. [ laughter ] she took a picture, joe. Yes, i have it. You can save it for posterity. I saw the picture and you were bundled up but you did really well. I was okay. Your daughter did great. My daughter did amazing. Your friends did great. And her friend won. There you go. I was way in the back. Coming up, well dig deep into the new polling with this important data point. Among men, donald trump has a two point lead over joe biden. But among women, trump is down 15 points to the former vice president. That conversation next on morning joe. That conversation next on morning joe. We call it the mother standard of care. 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And the biggest victory for trump among men comes against Elizabeth Warren, 38 to 52 . And when looking at hypothetical matchups among women, President Trump loses in every race. He loses to Bernie Sanders 5436. Against Elizabeth Warren 5338. Against joe biden 3136. Michael bloomberg beats trump 3845. And Pete Buttigieg also comes away have a victory 4736. Adrienne, what stands out overall . Women voting against trump makes sense. But what candidates and numbers stand out yo to you . Overall the numbers substantiate oud stand out. Women are overwhelming supporting democrats across the board and youve got to think about the fact, mika, that white suburban women really made the determination in 2016. Yes. And fortunately didnt go toord Hillary Clint toward Hillary Clintons favor. But in 2018 they were the reason why women had historic wins up and down the ballot. We have over a hundred women in the United States congress. Only a fraction of them are republicans, the majority of democrats. Theres a reason for that. We could spend a good hour analyzing why women are not supporting trump ranging from his misogynistic comments to his constant threats to take away womens pre Reproductive Health rights, constant threats to roe v. Wade. Theres a vl millimillion reaso but the Republican Party has so much work do when it comes to atrabling attracting women and getting them back in their camp. I dont see anything happening now and 20 went to make those changes. I mentioned earlier that the trump Senior Campaign officials had a briefing last week and then were very confident as they looked into 2020, question debate whether they had reason to be. But one thing they owned up, the president has seen his support drop among women since election day 2016, mike barnicle. Do you see any scenario can he turn this around and the problem he has with woman, does that drag on the republicans where some of those vulnerable senators weve been talking about could be in trouble next year too . The answer to your first question, coturn it around . No. Youve seen the internals some of of these polls. Weve all seen the interms of the internals of these polls. Theyre subsections of how the women are going to vote. Suburban women in this country, theres a number i saw a week ago, 28 of suburban women who were polled of all colors, religions, everything, 28 answered the question under any circumstance could you consider voting for donald trump . 28 said absolutely not, not ever considering to vote for donald trump. So hes got a huge problem. Yeah. To that point, message to democrats and look at 2018 also, if its women and its suburban women, its health care, education, its kids in cages, stay on those issues, those heart string issues, those Kitchen Table issues, you will win as long as we dont run some crazy hard line have some theres another significant factor among the many you just mentioned, it is this. Suburban women, again, when asked whether they want your children to grow up to be like donald j. Trump, no. His behavior, no. But you cant make it just about that was the mistake that hillary made in 2016, making it about his behavior. You have to bring it back to how his behavior affects you. Bring it back to the voter issues, 2018 told us how do it. Its baked in the cake. It really is. His behavior is baked in the cake. We saw that after access hollywood. Weve seen it time and time again. Its how does d his poll simeic people . I want to ask adrienne, some of the senators, the ones like thom tillis again, weve been talking about how weak he is in North Carolina, surprised the republicans arent panicking about him sitting at 31 , 32 . Cory gardner, the same. Susan collins, we could go down the list. Martha mcsally could win, but it seems like shes going to be in for the fight of her political life again this year. So how does that impact for the suburbs, you know, North Carolina is growing into one giant suburb in the middle of the state. How does that impact all of those atrisk candidates who could help make Chuck Schumer, the guy we just talked about, a guy like thom tillis could help Chuck Schumer become majority leader because is so weak right now. He is so weak and thats why think youre seeing a lot of senators right now, joe, keeping their powder dry by not just saying how theyre going to vote in the impeachment process. Because theyre looking at those numbers, theyre going to look over the next few weeks, theyre going to look into january when the trial starts. Theyre going to look to see how those numbers with those very key voters, independent voters, suburban swing voters, theyre going to look to see how the needle moves in those subsectors of their electorate. Again, weve talked about this in the polls this morning, heidi just mentioned it. There are a lot of voters out there who are turned off by the notion that Lindsey Graham and some senators who are attacking far to the right already saying theyve made up their mind. Theyre not going to be an independent juror, theyre not going to wait to make their determination based on a trial. Theyve already made up their mind and people are very turned off by that. I think thats why youre seeing a lot of these senators keeping their powder dry. Well see how this plays out, but this is not by any stretch a home run for some of those senators in those key swing districts. All right. And while were looking at genders, speaking of women, a shout out to my good friend, our good friend, anne finucane. She was named one of Forbes Magazine powerful women, like bar none. Unbelievable. Ann joins the like of angela merkel, nancy pelosi, and oprah just to name a few. Shes a force to be reckoned with and were so proud of her. The list is named at not only celebrating the huge strides made by women this year, but also the great opportunity they have to define the decade ahead. And ann certainly is a huge part of that. So were so glad to know her. Coming up, it was caught on camera not once but twice but three times, army and Navy Officials are investigating controversial hand gestures that were flashed at this weekends Army Navy Football game. What . The details of that new probe next on morning joe. S of tha next on morning joe. What . 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Some calling it disgusting, appalling, and completely unacceptable, while others dismissing the gestures as part of a viral circle game, where players make an okay si sign,d if their friends see it, they punch them in the arm. Both the Antidefamation League say this signal has been appropriated by farright groups. The hand shape supposedly forms the letters w and p for white power. The adl says farright groups use it partly because its so ambiguous, so its unclear whether the students knew what the symbol could represent. The hand signal is not a joke. White supremacists latched on to it. Not as a symbol of irony, but as a symbol of their prevalence and air ability to put their message out there. Reporter the navy has appointed a preliminary inquiry officer to conduct an internal investigation, adding that those involved will be held appropriately accountable. West points director of Public Affairs says theyre looking into it and still do not know the intent of the cadets. Experts say Armed Services have repeatedly struggled with right wing extremism in their ranks. Theres a heightened sense of awareness for this type of activity in the last couple of years and a heightened sense of intolerance against it. Jonathan lamir, you were at the game. What do you make of this . Its highly disturbing and troublesome. It takes away from what is really a sort of singular event on the sports calendar. The army navy game, this is the 120th year they played. I was there as part of the press pool with President Trump. And you watch the players on the field, the cadets in the stands and think about how theyre serving their country. Its a remarkable scene with a great atmosphere. You know, the president was we seem to have note how hes greeted at sporting events. He was cheered, although, questions were raised that he wore a campaign hat in the role of commander in chief while there. But certainly, i didnt witness with my own eyes these symbols. They were done behind the espn telecast that originated from the field in philadelphia. But its highly disturbing. At the very least, these are people, cadets who are young enough to know one would assume, theyre young enough and frankly online enough and internet savvy enough to know the connotations of that gesture. That whether theyre playing this game, they had to know it could be interpreted as this white power symbol. And its just disheartening to see. And mika, maybe the most disturbing aspect of it, whether it was meant to be what its supposed to be is the fact that we saw this with two Service Academies playing each other. The United States military academy at west point and annapolis. And thats one of the most disturbing aspects. Of course. This has to be investigated. And now, finally this. A democratic congressman who has been outspokesman against President Trumps impeachment is likely to leave the party. Two democratic leadership sources tell nbc news that they expect new jersey congressman Jeff Van Drew to change his registration to republican. Congressman van drew flipped his republicanleaning swing district in 2018, but an internal poll obtained by nbc news earlier this month showed he would unlikely be reelected next year. Judiciary Committee Chairman jerry nadler weighed in on the topic yesterday. What hes reacting to is public polling that shows that he cant get renominated. His electorate in his district is 24 to renominate him and 60 to nominate somebody else. Meanwhile, the fallout, six of his congressional staffers resigned yesterday after it became apparent that the freshman congressman would be switching parties. In response to the news of the potential party switch, trump tweeted, quote, wow, that would be big. Always heard jeff is very smart. Congressman van drew did not immediately return a request for comment. Still ahead, its the beginning of another pivotal week in the impeachment proceedings. And thats not all. We have another democratic debate this week, as well. 2020 candidate, Julian Castro wont be on the stage, so how does he plan to get his message out to voters . He joins us ahead on morning joe. And weve got some holiday music bumping to break. Its joes song, i dont want to go home for christmas. I still dont know why he doesnt want to do that. You can find it on the Christmas Songs play list right now on spotify. Youre watching morning joe, well be right back. K. You wouldnt do only half of your daily routine so why treat your mouth any differently . Listerine® completes the job by preventing plaque, early gum disease, and killing up to 99. 9 of germs. Try listerine®. Need Stocking Stuffers . Try listerine® ready tabs™. Why fingerstick when you can scan . With the freestyle libre 14 day system just scan the sensor with your reader, iphone or android and manage your diabetes. 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Im not betting my agenda on the naive hope that if democrats adopt republican critiques of progressive policies or make vague calls for unity, that somehow the wealthy and wellconnected will stand down. And anyone who starts off saying we cant bring america together is just throwing in the towel. Theyre saying everything donald trump has been saying. The divider in chief. Theyre saying hes already won. But theyre wrong. Joe biden and Elizabeth Warren increasingly going after each other on the campaign trail. Well get into that dynamic just ahead. Good morning and welcome to morning joe. It is monday, december 16th. With us, we have White House Reporter for the associated press, jonathan la mmir. Donny deutsch is with us. National Political Correspondent for nbc news and msnbc and author of the red and the blue, Steve Kornacki with us. Some interesting new polls to talk about this morning. And former chief of staff to the dccc and a former director of Strategic Communications for Hillary Clintons president ial campaign, Adrienne Elrod. Shes an msnbc contributor. Also with us, u. S. National editor at the Financial Times, edward loose is with us this morning. You know, ed, im sorry, im just talking too much about the British Elections last week and it drove mika absolutely crazy. Well. But give us a quick 30 seconds on what the earthquake the political earthquake in britain maintain last week. And what you, someone who covers both british and american politics, what you think it means for american politics moving forward . Well, the working class in britain have moved to the conservative party. They might have temporarily moved there. They might have just lent their vote to Boris Johnsons conservatives, but it is an earthquake in the sense that the that the industrial and postindustrial classes are voting for the conservatives, which is an extraordinary thing. If that has implications in the United States, its that Donald Trumps 2016 showing with blue collar midwestern voters, you know, is something is a transatlantic trend that is quite profound and might prove to be enduring through 2020. The other thing is that the left, having lost a worst defeat since 1935, since before my parents were born, Jeremy Corbyn is now essentially trying to rig the leadership election to replace him, by narrowing it down to candidates who share his fairly sectarian and utterly repudiated view of the world. So it doesnt auger well in terms of the left learning lessons about why theyre losing. Its just unbelievable. Jonathan lamir, the president yesterday spinning out of control again. This time in part attacking fox news, attacking fox news polls. Numbers for him you know, its so funny over the last couple of weeks. And well get into all of these polls. Remarkable results for both donald trump, republicans, headtohead matchups. Also, of course, the democratic race. Thats why we have the rage here, Steve Kornacki with us. Hes going to be screaming this morning, kids, but thats all right. You can get some helpful nuggets in between the bursts of activity. The explosions. But jonathan lamir, the president , obviously, didnt like the fact that by a ninepoint margin, a majority of Americans Still want the president impeached and removed from office. Thats very clear, joe. The president has been, even for him, rather active and perhaps out of control, one could say, on twitter in the last week or so. He set a record one day last week for most tweets and retweets in a day, well over 100. On the weekend, he was able to, he attended the army navy game. I was there with him on saturday and sort of basked in that spectacle. Its always a very moving event every year that game. But on sunday returned to twitter, went after fox news, which he thinks is a News Organization that he thinks should be on his side. He always criticizes it for ever having democrats on its air, criticizes its polling, which most in the industry think is a pretty strong polling department. We also saw him yesterday attack House Speaker, nancy pelosi, and make a joke about her teeth, which were not quite clear what that was about, but not perhaps his most dignifiy eied tweet. And it goes to show the pressure he is facing. As much as the white house and his advisers believe that impeachment, this could be a political win for him, theyre pointing to his internal polls that show its playing pretty well that independents in battleground states are not into impeachment, so therefore playing pretty well for his reelection kmachances, he know what this means. On wednesday, i cant stress this enough, on wednesday, President Trump is going to be the third president in history to be impeached. The house of representatives is going to impeach President Trump. And he knows that is now a defining part of his legacy. Thats the first line in his obituary, and even as he faces reelection and even as he still could win reelection, thats not going to go away. And we see that its eating on him and it bursts his frustration bursts into public view time and time again, and particularly yesterday on twitter. All right. Thats where nbc news has learned that Senate Minority leader Chuck Schumer that has proposed calling former National Security adviser john bolton and acting white house chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney, as witnesses in the Senate Impeachment trial. Schumer sent a letter to Majority Leader Mitch Mcconnell late yesterday, proposing that the Senate Subpoena both bolton and mulvaney, along with two other people close to the president who may know about that delay of military aid to ukraine. In the letter, schumer writes, Senate Democrats believe strongly and i trust Senate Republicans agree that this trial must be one that is fair, that considers all of the relevant facts, and that exercises the senates sole power of impeachment under the constitution with integrity and dignity. Which brings us to those new numbers on impeachment. In the latest fox news poll, 50 of registered voters think the president should be impeached and removed from office. Up 1 point since october. 4 think he should be impeached, but not removed from office. And 41 do not think he should be impeached at all. When looking at the two articles of impeachment brought forward by House Democrats, 53 think President Trump abused the power of his office. 38 do not. 48 think he obstructed congress. 34 do not. And when looking at other charges House Democrats could have brought forward as articles of impeachment against the president , 50 think that President Trump obstructed justice. 37 do not. And 45 think the president committed bribery. 37 do not. When asked if it was Standard Practice for president s to ask foreign leaders to investigate political rivals, only 22 said it was typical. Among republicans, 33 thought this was normal practice. Overall, pretty devastating numbers for the president , though. They are devastating. Up and down the line. Don Donny Deutsch. My gosh, you look at all of the numbers, im still stunned by the top number, that, again, 50 still want him impeached and removed from office. Only 41 dont. And, you know, 4 want him impeached, but not removed. Those are devastating numbers. Bill clinton never got into the 30s on impeachment. And i just think about the republicans that have been running around, telling everybody and also, trump hacks, who work for online newspapers, running around, writing columns saying that this has been horrible for the democrats and nancy pelosi. Those numbers are devastating, up and down the line for any politician, republican or democrat alike. They are and theyre absolutely. But theres one thing to me thats a little bit of a gray clouds amongst the Silver Lining. That since october, which is basically when we paraded the most credible witnesses that you could possibly have, whether they were lifelong people that gave their service to the country, down to a gordon sondland, to me who was so incredibly incriminating, yet it hasnt moved. Its still at 50. It grew one. Thats the concern to me, that it is so baked at this point. One would have thought, if we had gone back to october, that 50 or 49 would have been gone to 56, 57, 58. And the needle is not moving at all. Although the numbers, when you look at them in their absolute terms, and the rage will give us some real deep insight, that is a great name, by the way. To me that they havent moved is a bit concerning to me. Yeah, Steve Kornacki, lets go through the numbers and talk about the majority wanting him to be removed. But also, those other questions that were asked about obstruction and the other areas that really took apart the president S Performance in this ukraine scandal. What jumped out at you . Sure. Let me throw an object, maybe a cup or something first on the table. Throw something i dont want to start a fight on the set or something. What donny was saying, i think, is right. I think thats the big picture story im seeing with these numbers. This fox news poll, this is the worst poll on impeachment ive seen for trump in some time. But that said, take a look at the average of all poll out there. If you look at that right now, its 47 impeach, 46 dont. And thats consistent with where its been. Im looking at one this morning, just came out, usa today that has the opposite of fox, it has 45 impeach, 51 dont impeach. So really, there was a big jump when this ukraine story broke, when all of the key characters were introduced to the public, when the democrats began their impeachment drive. You saw the numbers move up to basically where they are right now in the average of polls. And i think donny is right, big picture, those havent changed. They speak to basically every wrm republic republican being against this and basically every democrat being for this. And that polarization that youve seen since 2016, and i think from the white houses standpoint, yeah, no president wants to be impeached. No president wants that to be part of his or her legacy. But i think from a survival standpoint, thats been the key to the white house on this. If you keep that republican number, support among republicans for the president at 90 plus, that will keep republicans in the senate and in the house in line and largely, thats what weve seen. Still ahead, the other set of poll numbers making headlines this morning. 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Simple. Easy. Awesome. Call, click or visit a store today. The latest fox news poll also shows five of the top democratic 2020 contenders all beating President Trump. So that might be why hes looking to get aggressive here. In the hypothetical matchup, senator Bernie Sanders beats trump by six points. 49 to 43 . Joe biden leads trump by a sevenpoint margin, 48 to 41 . Elizabeth warren slides by the president , 46 to 45. Michael bloomberg winsly five points, 45 to 40. And Pete Buttigieg wins with a narrow victory of 43 to 42 . Yeah, so, Donny Deutsch, the numbers show, again, its fascinating, Bernie Sanders, the guy that he constantly calls a socialist yeah, top of the list. Bernie does well in these things. Joe biden does well in these things. Again, Elizabeth Warren down a little bit, but donald trump losing fairly badly to the top two Democratic Candidates right now. Yeah, joe, i must have woken up on the wrong side of the bed this morning, because i look at those polls and go back to where we opened the show with what happened over on the pond there, where you ran a hardleft candidate and they got destroyed the worst in almost a century. And you know, i look at those polls, particularly where i see Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren ahead of trump and i go, im not looking at those polls, because thats bologlo baloney. Because they get devastated. The economy continues to roar. The biden open, when he talks about dividing, its a different way of dividing us, this absolute, youre either on our team or on the other team if you dont describe to some of these socialistic tenants, boy, they better watch out. If democrats are looking at those polls and feel good about themselves, they shouldnt. I do not believe any of those hardleft candidates come close to beating donald trump. So i dont disagree with donny, especially given theres sort of the intangibility of what happens when it is donald trump against one other candidate and how voters feel about that candidate. How comfortable they feel making the leap to voting for someone like Elizabeth Warren or Bernie Sanders versus donald trump. Those people adrienne was talking about in the swing states, the independents, the people who might be a little fed up with trump. I just dont see how they vote for Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren. So, ed, though, i wonder with Bernie Sanders, if we have corbinism without corbin. I only say that, because i remember after the 2016 election, and this shocked, of course, people that are in the media and are in the Political Class, that are in the Political Classes, but there were a lot of articles about people who voted for donald trump, but would have voted for Bernie Sanders, if sanders if sanders actually made the ticket. And that, of course, where would that be . Wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania. Sanders has a certain resonance among working class voters that in general elections, we havent seen evidence of Elizabeth Warren having. A lot of people try to lump these two together. I dont think they go hand in hand in some cases if you believe the postmortems in 2016. Mmhmm. There was that famous poll, West Virginia, where trump beat hillary, i think, the largest margin other than wyoming. But if Bernie Sanders had been the democratic nominee, sanders would have won 4846. It was an exit poll. And so you should treat it with some skepticism. But it did show a very, very different attitude towards Bernie Sanders than the corbyn defeat might imply. There is a very big difference between corbyn and sanders. Corbyn had the whole brexit thing, which he resolutely sat on the fence. He was unsectarian on that question and faced a party that ruthlessly straightforwards message was get brexit done. Three words, and a very active, as indeed they had in the 2016 referendum, take back control. Labor had a very sort of ambivalent message. Like, maybe well have a referendum, another one. We dont know which side well be on. I suspect sanders, you know, if he were the nominee, would have a pretty active verb and a pretty clear message. And he wouldnt have the whiff of antisemitism around him, either. So, you know, its important not to overdo the comparisons between sanders and Jeremy Corbyn, the differences are probably more important. So adrienne, fox news also had a poll that talked about the democrats running. Once again had joe biden on top. And once again and i will say, this has been the Biggest Surprise for me over the past month. Elizabeth warren continuing to drop, minus 8. And i just sit and look at those numbers and say, is she really losing all of this support because she put out a very Progressive Program . Its i didnt in the Democratic Party, i would not have expected this political bleeding to continue, but it does in just about every poll. And look at teflon joe. Teflon joe just staying up there, jack. Hes just staying up there, not slipping. Teflon joe, durable joe. I mean, call it what you want to call it, but he has weathered some storms, joe, during this primary. And so far, hes stayed on top, consistently. Hes also the only candidate in this race i know weve talked about this many times in the show, but hes the only candidate running in the democratic primary who can really attract a diverse electorate. And we are simply not going to elect a candidate to be the democratic nominee in this president ial cycle without africanamerican voters, without hispanic voters. Joe biden so far is the person who has the most support among that community. Well see if anything changes. Well see how the first four states shake out. You know, perhaps if even though iowa is a very largely white state, i do think whoever wins iowa will have a lot of momentum going into the other three states. Well see how that effects the outcome. You know, when it comes to Elizabeth Warren, i have been a little surprised, too, by her drop in the polls. But i think when she came out and said, you know, this is going to cost 52 trillion, my medicare for all plan, a lot of people took a step back and said, eh, im just not sure i want to support a costly plan like that. And everybody remembers. Everyone remembers how hard it was to pass the Affordable Care act in 2010, that it you know, a full democratically controlled house, senate, and white house, it was still very difficult to pass. So americans remember that. And they want to keep their health care. A majority of americans want to keep or at least have the option of keeping their private health insurance. 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Let me tell you, please dont say that until you understand what youre voting on. Members of the senate have said, i understand everything there is about this case and i wont vote to impeach the president. Please allow the facts to do the talking. Nobody knows whether the president what the articles of impeachment are. People have made up their mind in a political fashion that will hurt this country longterm. If you dont if you cant vote for impeachment, give us the do justice to the case. Dont decide the case before the case is in. And this bothers me greatly. I have clearly made up my mind. Im not trying to hide the fact that i have disdain for the accusations and the process, so i dont need any witnesses. That was another edition of our favorite game, whatever happened to Lindsey Graham. You know the most disgraceful part of it is the fact that he actually, donny, he actually is proud of the fact hes actually bragging about the fact that hes not going to be fair. He seems to take great pride in the fact that he is going to be everything that he hated, back when i knew him. What he would say about democrats. He would say, youre jurors. How can you make a decision before the first bit of evidence is in. And lindsey now is bragging about the fact that hes going to be biased and hes not going to listen to any facts. And hes not going to follow the facts. Hes not going the follow the laws. He doesnt care what it is. And he thinks its funny. Whats so sad is, you know, they are legislators, and before this process begins, they take a new oath to actually act as jurors. But like anything else, nothing is sacred. And once again, and joe, you and i have bandied about this a lot, how do these people not understand how history is going to view them . Its so clear and so obvious and to sell their soul to the devil this way, to by the way, we know how youre going to vote. But to just kind of thumb your nose that way and basically denigrate the oath that youre about to take is quite sad. Mike barnicle, i asked his wife is 39th most powerful women in the world, thats all. Shes powerful, shes powerful. So, mike, you look at Lindsey Graham there. And again, he thinks its cute. Hes laughing about it. Hes bragging about the fact that hes biased, that hes not going to do all the things that he claimed were so necessary to save the republic in 1998. And for lindsey, youve got a guy who actually, making guys much worse, hes an officer of the court. He is a lawyer, who actually tried cases. So he understands how despicable this is. He also is the chairman of the Senate Judiciary committee. And yet, there he is in doha, mocking the entire situation. And saying, yeah, im going to be biased. Despite the fact just a couple of months ago, he was saying, well, if there were to be a quid pro quo proven, then i would have real problems. Well, the quid pro quo is proven. The attempted bribery was proven. Yet heres Lindsey Graham making a big joke about the fact that he has no respect for anything. Joe, if it was your intent to make this whole episode more depressing, youve just done it with that introduction here. I mean, donny mentioned something that is really playing a part in this how will history view these people . Unfortunately, we are now in an age, in a culture where there is no more history, there is no more truth. Its all within the next hour. Its all within whats on your phone. Theres no more conscience in the United States senate, really. Were going to have Chuck Schumer on, in a little bit, and he is presiding over an impeachment trial or hes one part of an impeachment trial. The decision has been preordained. Its never happened in United States of america. Its being dealt with in such a frivolous manner, a truly frivolous manner. Coming up on morning joe. President ial candidate Julian Castro is making the argument that iowa shouldnt be the first state to cast ballots. Mays making that argument to iowans. Julian castro joins us next to talk about that on moerng joe. So talk about that on moerng joe. [ suspenseful music ] you have a brother in the second battalion . Yes sir. Theyre walking into a trap. Your orders are to deliver a message calling off tomorrows attack. If you fail we will lose sixteen hundred men. Your brother among them. We need to keep moving. Come on theres only one way this war ends. Last man standing. For the holidays you cant beat home sweet home. We go the extra mile to bring your holidays home. At chevy, were all about bringing families together. This time of year, thats really important. So were making it easier than ever to become part of our family. Thats why our chevy employee discount is now available to everyone. The chevy price you pay is what we pay. Not a cent more. Family is important to us. 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One of the things ive pointed out, for instance, is that as we look at other states to consider to go first, we should look at the urbantorural sort of mix, right qu right . And pick a state that has a good urbantorural mix. I think in iowa, it tends to tilt towards a more rural state. And the same thing in New Hampshire. That was democratic president ial candidate Julian Castro last week, arguing in iowa, why iowa shouldnt be the first state up in the primaries. And the former secretary castro joins us now. Good to have you back on the show. Lets start with that. First of all, how did voters react to what you told them and what do you think the process should be . Good morning. Its good to be back with you all. I think, you know, of course, i was there in iowa, we were at Drake University in des moines. And you can imagine that there are a lot of folks who in iowa, who want to keep their, you know, caucus and first opportunity to cast a vote and set the momentum in the race. But there actually were a good number people also that considered the argument and some people who agree. I think more than anything else, skpi and i said this at this forum, people appreciate being told the truth as i see it in a time when we have a president who is not telling people the truth. And i believe that we should change the process, because iowa has got to go first since 1972. Our country has changed a lot since 1972. Our party has changed a lot since 1972. I dont think that iowa and New Hampshire reflect the diversity of our party, of our country, in different ways. And i think the way that we should fix that is that the dnc should put together a commission or task force of people from different parts of the country that should actually come up with a way to rank order these states, how much does a state reflect the diversity of the country and the party . How big is that state . In other words, how expensive to campaign . You know, how easy do they make it for people to vote . If we say as democrats that we actually want to make voting easier, does the state have robust early voting . Do they make it accessible to people with disabilities and so forth . Because one of my other problems with the caucus is that the caucus, as yall know, it only happens one night at 7 00 in the evening. If somebody is a shift worker and they cant you know, that i have got to go work, they cant make it that day, that night, you know, youre out of luck. Also, people with disabilities in iowa have complained for many years that especially when youre having a caucus in the dead of winter, thats not exactly the most accessible way to vote, because of all of that, and also, this is not insignificantly, you have no secret ballot there. The caucus is not about a secret ballot. Youve got to declare right in front of everybody. Some people dont want to do that. Because of that, you only have about a 16 turnout rate in the caucus. We can do things a little bit better and im willing to tell the truth about that. So the Iowa Democratic black caucus released a statement in response to your question of whether iowa should be first up, because of the states lack of diversity. And it reads in part, quote, unfortunately, when we find individuals who do not garner the support they were striving for, the question arises about the status of iowa being the first in the nation caucus state. When the real question should be if the individual was in the top three, would this even be an issue. Mr. Secretary, its a ridiculous statement. Its a ridiculous statement because iowa and New Hampshire, the first two states are overwhelmingly white. They do not reflect the diverse nature of the Democratic Party. A state like South Carolina does, more closely. A state like georgia does. But iowa and New Hampshire dont. Like you said, the world has changed a lot since 1972. The Democratic Party itself has changed a lot since 1972. How do democrats continue like i said, before, iowa matches the Republican Partys demographics. New hampshire matches the Republican Partys demographics. Thats fine. But they dont match the Democratic Partys demographics. So why continue to place such a strong emphasis on these first two states that end up giving the democrats that win that state hundreds of millions of dollars in free earned media . Yeah, joe, you know, youve been very good about this. I heard you several weeks ago say this very clearly and say it again right now. I mean, youre correct. It doesnt reflect, you know, the diversity of the Democratic Party as we stand today. Youre right, i think also, about the flip side of that, which it probably does reflect where the Republican Party is at, but thats not my concern. I just think we can do this better. And you know, theres no preordained state that i believe should go first. And they could look at rotating states every now and then or have two states go on the same day. But its time for the Democratic Party to address this. And lets be very clear, the next time that the dnc or democrats complain about Voter Suppression by republicans, which i certainly have complained about and i want to fight against, we need to look at our own house. We need to understand how we should live by our values when we talk about accessibility to the voting booth and making sure that everybodys vote counts. You know, we cant just aim it at other people. Weve got to look at our own house. And its time to do that with regard to iowa and New Hampshire. Not because theres anything wrong with the people of iowa and New Hampshire, but because it doesnt reflect our values the way we do it right now. Well, theres no reason why you cant get the first four states, nevada, South Carolina, iowa, New Hampshire. If everybodys wedded to that. And rotate it. One time, its South Carolina that goes first. The next time, its nevada, the next time its iowa. But again, starting with two predominantly white states for a Democratic Party thats far more diverse just doesnt make sense. Lets talk about debates and the debate rules. Cory booker is suggesting, as are a lot of other Democratic Candidates and you, suggesting that the dnc change the debate rules to allow more people in the debate next time. Tell us why they should do that. Well, the dnc and i know, of course, youve been following it, for folks out there who may not have followed it as closely, the dnc has changed the way theyve done these thresholds, even within this process. At the beginning of the process, they were saying, for instance, you had to get a certain number of donors or a certain percentage in the polling. And then they changed that to say you had to get both for two of the debates. I want to say, you know, june and july, it was maybe the same thresholds and then it changed for november december, where they upped it from november december. In other words, those thresholds at first applied to two debates now they only play to one debate. So they havent set the debate criteria for january and beyond. What were saying is not change the criteria for december, which is already going to happen. Nobody is saying, hey, change it a few days from that debate. What were saying is, look, you havent set the criteria for january. And youve shown before that you actually have done it in different ways. So why dont you do it in either or. Allow a certain number of donors or a certain polling threshold. They could also look at other things. For instance, out there, there are a lot of ballots that were already having to get our names on to, right . So you have lists of candidates in maybe about 15 states already, that are either on the ballot or not on the ballot. You could easily use that, as well. Thats not an overwhelming number of people. Thats a limited number of people. So were just asking the dnc to be more thoughtful about these thresholds to allow for more robust conversation up there on the debate stage. And at the end of the day, you know, people are going to vote soon, so i think theyre going to do the work instead of the dnc. You know, mike barnicle, the dnc, from i mean, you talk to any candidate, they will tell you that the dncs heart has been in the right place throughout this process. Mayor de blasio said as much, but there have been some blind spots. And heres a blind spot that im sure the dnc didnt think about it and a lot of us didnt think about. It seems like a great idea to allow people to get on the debate stage based on how many contributors they have. That seems to democratize the process. The only problem is, if youre a billionaire like Mike Bloomberg or lets say tom steyer, because bloombergs not taking money, if youre a billionaire, its very easy to send out a lot of fundraising letters and get 25 here, 20 you may end up spending more money than you take in, but you meet those artificial thresholds that have been put in there by the dnc. So its its actually, in a weird way, by doing that, youre actually ensuring that billionaires may be able to pay their way on to a debate stage. Yeah, thats for sure, joe, and its happening right now in front of us each and every day as we look at the debate stage. Listen, this is not a new issue. And mr. Secretary, youre not the first person, obviously, to speak about the problems about the iowa caucus or the New Hampshire primary. This has been going on for at least 50 years. So my question to you is, why has it taken so long, still, today, for the Democratic National committee, to answer the to come out with some logic about the first tuesday and february, call it super tuesday, and as joe just referenced, have New Hampshire, iowa, nevada, North Carolina, michigan, all on one day in early february to get a consensus on what america looks like and what americans what americans are looking for in the next president of the United States . But its been at least 50 years for them to even allude to the reality of it. Yeah, well, mike, i know youve seen so many of these. And you know it better than anybody else. Youre right, this is not the first time its been brought up. And what i think has happened, though, now, is that the gap between the values that we say we hold as democrats in the face of a Republican Party that too often is trying to suppress the votes of people versus where were at on how we do our president ial nominating contest, especially at the very beginning of it, that gap has just grown wider and wider and wider. And this fiction of the Democratic Party being a champion for opening up the, you know, voting booth and ballot access, i say it becomes a fiction. You know, we have been fighting for it. We have been the party that is actually creating more opportunity for people to vote, but it becomes hypocritical if we also dont look at our own house and how were doing it for the most Important Office in the entire United States. And i think, though, that and there are quite a number of people that feel like this. I do believe that after this election, that the dnc is going to have to go back and establish some process to at least reevaluate it. There is support out there and a number of the different states among the state party chairs, and other activists within the Democratic Party. So it is going to happen. I dont think that i dont think that they can hold off the conversation much longer. All right. Julian castro, thank you very much for being on the show this morning. Thank you so much, mr. Secretary. Great to have you. Good to be with you all. Thank you. Adrienne elrod, curious about the process that secretary castro is bringing up, but also the state of the race right now. As we are getting to a smaller debate stage, it at least allows for a bit more conversation. I mean, this is difficult to navigate when you have so many candidates. Yeah, youre right, mika. Look, fufirst of all, i certain do not blame senator cory booker for issuing this letter, asking for the dnc to loosen debate restrictions. Number one, hes admitted this has helped him raise money, which he needs in order to stay in the race. But i want to push become a little bit on secretary castros position here. First of all, the dnc made it very clear in february of this year that there were going to be debate thresholds in place that candidates had to meet. That included grassroots fundraising donations and of course meeting the debate threshold. So they were very transparent about the process early on. And secondly, mika, i dont think the majority of American People, certainly not the majority of democratic primary voters, want to go back to seeing debates happen two consecutive nights in a row. First of all, i think the ner g networks are not always going to go for it. And secondly, its time to have a real debate with the five, six, frontrunners in this race. You know, if we loosen the restrictions back to some of those early threshold days, youre going to see mariany Ann Williamson who frankly doesnt have a shot at becoming the democratic nominee. It is time to get down to business and we have to select a nominee and we want to see a real debate between the four and five top contenders. I actually agree 100 it is kind of adult dining room time and the debates to this time have been so uninspiring and so not must see tv that it is time to whittle dow still to come on morning joe. Youre doing fine, youre doing splendidly. Speed it up. So you know, yesterday we went out to the driving range, right . To the driving range, right, and i have not gone in a very long time and never with jack. I put the money in to get the golf balls out and i forgot to put the basket under the golf ball and they were flooding out and im trying to grab them and i said to jack this is just like i love lucy, and he is like who . 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Now two inspectors say it could make your food less safe Morgan Ratford is joining us with more. This is the biggest change in the way our food is inspected in more than 50 years. We spoke to several federal inspectors speaking out for the first time and they say the pork you eat may not be as safe as you think. It is all about an inspection process that they say is too fast and it has less central oversig oversight. Toenails, hair, sexual or begans that is what is potentially in your pork according to some of americas federal inspectors speaking out for the first time in a nbc exclusive. Jill mauer and Anthony Vallone are speaking out. I dont eat from this plant. You dont eat from the same plant where you work. Correct. No. They say the meat you eat may soon be less safe than you think thanks to a change in rules for pork inspection. Now set to roll out nationwide under the Trump Administration. The consumer is being duped. They believe it is being federally inspected and there is no one there to even watch or do anything about anything. Both inspectors work at a pork plant in the midwest. One of the first to adopt the pilot program. They say the changes have been dramatic. In traditional plants, they check the animals for defects or signs of decide. In the new system it goes down to two or three federal inspectors, now the plants employees will be checking and sorting with no federal straining required. There is not enough time to react to situations that arise. You 2. 6 seconds per carcus. To inspect the hog . Yes. There is no federal cap on line speeds, no set limit on how fast the meat can go by. As long as they feel like they can get away with it, they will. The usda declined to do an interview for this story, inspectors have the authority to slow and stop the line to ensure food safety and ensure safety and inspection are achieved. They will conduct 100 carcus by ca carcus inspections. When you open your package of meat, what youre going to get for pathogens are a mystery. What are pathogens . The things that make you sick. And they could enter our feed. Correct. The 40 plants process 90 of americas pork. Records show no food outbreaks linked to the pilot plants, but foot Safety Advocates say the risk will be much greater when it expands. Theyre doing the work that Public Servant inspectors used to do. It is being done at a higher rate. Youre bound to make mistakes, and if you make mistakes, its the public that is harmed. So as americans head to the kitchen, these federal inspe inspectors. It will stop when someone dies. So mika we also contacted all five plants and north American Meat institute that said inspectors are still required to inspect every animal and they they always have the authority to effect an establishments line speed. Nbc news asked them to interview all of the inspectors at the pilot plants and the usda declined to make them available for us. The Trump Administration is looking to make the same changing for beef processing and that is very serious. Morgan, thank you very much for that report that does it for us this morning, Stephanie Ruhle picks up the coverage right now. Hi there, it is monday, december 16th and there is a lot happening this morning. While you were sleeping House Democrats dropped their massive 658 page impeachment report. The report that came out just after midnight argues that the president must be impeached to protect the nation and preserve our freedom. And it sets the stage for the full house vote that will take place this wednesday assuming that the house backs impeachment a senate trial would come next. Schumer laid out