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Into the oped that the president wrote for the usa today on health care. The Washington Post fact check says almost every sentence contained a misleading statement or falsehood. And we have more on polling. New polling to dig through. Steve kornacki is back with the numbers. But first, willie, take us through the damage caused yesterday by Hurricane Michael. Yeah. This is a bad one. A wide path of destruction along the Florida Panhandle after Hurricane Michael made landfall yesterday. The storm came on shore as a catastrophic unprecedented category 4 with maximum sustained winds of 155 Miles Per Hour. At least two deaths are being blamed on the storm including that of an 11yearold child. Governor rick scott has deployed search and rescue teams to some of the hardest hit areas, like panama city where the damage is extensive. The storm tore down power lines in that pop lar resort town. Bill, how bad was this . I think were still going to find out. We only had about two hours to gather the material before it got dark after the winds calmed down through the region. All the Storm Chasers i know have been saying the drive from panama city to mexico beach was some of the worst damage theyve ever seen. For them to make those statements, theyre not ones who are going to try to hype this up or make it look worse than it really is. Im afraid what were going to see are a lot of buildings like this and it will be widespread. A lot of these buildings are they may have to tear them down instead of trying to repair them. Kerry sanders was only about 10 to 15 miles away from the building right here. What was your experience as you went from Panama City Beach to panama city . Well, getting around on the roads is extremely difficult because of the downed power lines and the debris on the road. Let me sort of widen the shot out and give you a view of where we are right now. That is at legendary marina. You can see the incredible power of the winds, 155mileperhour winds that came through here tearing through where this marina is, the boats stacked up. I was trying to calculate how expensive of a storm is this going to be. The strongest storm to hit here. We reference back to 1992 and look at andrew. That was a 15 plus billion dollar storm. We look at this right here, we have damage like this and damage throughout persons of florida, panhandle, north up into georgia, up into south carolina, were going to be talking about an incredible cost beyond the very sad loss of life. And as people are probably wondersing right now about, well, can i go home . I departed, i evacuated. As requested, id like to go back and see my home, see those things fared. Its not a good move. Anybody trying to come back is just going to get in the way of power crews. Duke energy has about 5,000 power crews moving in right now to try and restore the power along with the fact that you have to boil your water. Kerry, you thought you stood in about 100mileperhour winds yesterday. Are you seeing damage that matches that in panama city . Absolutely. There were roofs along schools. The windows blew out of one of the hospitals. Were seeing a remarkable punch from these winds and i specially experienced it. I dont know what the speed was, but i was sort of locked into position unable to really move. And then my colleagues, jim car tori from the Weather Channel came over and sort of got me out of the hold that i was in with the wind coming through there. And the protective helmet i was wearing popped right off my head and blew away. So its quite a powerful hurricane here and the storm surge to the east of the eye wall, like mexico beach, when you take a combination of the wind and the storm surge there which early reports are may have been seven feet, you get an idea of why this damage is so hard and so bad. Kerry sanders there in panama. Let me quickly catch everyone up with where the storm is. We still have 63 Million People under flood watches because all of this rain is heading up the east coast over the next two days. We are going to get soaked. There will be travel delays up i95 through the carolinas through southern new england. So be prepared for that. But were not going to see damaging winds with it at least. Well track the rains through richmond towards washington, d. C. You are cleared out by friday morning. This the was by 25 Miles Per Hour the strongest october landfalling hurricane weve ever recorded in our country. This had a lower pressure than katrina, lower pressure than andrew. Mind boggling stats for this time of year. It hit a very unpopulated area, as you know. This could have been a lot, lot worse if it had been more towards pensacola or biloxi. I was noticing it as it was making landfall. Were devastated for those who were suffering through the storm. But the fact that it attacked east and went actually came in east of panama city, there would have been a time more damage if like you said it would have been 20, 30, even 40 miles further to the west. Bill karins, thank you so much. We will be checking in throughout the morning. We appreciate the incredible work throughout the last 24 hours. Steve ratner, lets talk about this storm. We are in mid october. You usually see these storms if they hit, youll see them late august, september, maybe the first week of october early. But the storms are getting more powerful. Theyre coming at us more quickly. Talk to us about the intensity of these storms getting stronger. Well, i can show you the data and maybe bill karins can weigh in if he wants on the reason. But everyones impression these storms are coming more often each year is true. You can see that at the bottom theres a black line. This is the average from 1980 until 2018 of the number of storms that caused 1 billion of damage or not. And the annual average of this period is six. This is basically across a calendar year. If you look at what is up at the top here, you can see that all these storms up here, all these major storms have occurred in the last few years. In 2012, we had sandy in 2008, in 2016. And then you can see over here, which is where the red line is now, were on track to have a number of storms that are well, well above the national average. Again, i would defer to the meteorologists as to why this is happening, but the data is very clear that the number of storms is much higher. In the last five years, weve averaged 11. 6 major storms compared to six on average since 1980. If you want to look quickly at the cost of these storms, you can see what happens which is, again, you have a black line at the bottom which is the longterm average, a relatively small amount of damage. And then you have so far two major breakout years, 2005 which was katrina and you have 2011 which was sorry, 2017 which was harvey, irma and maria. And you can see those up here as huge numbers, as well. Obviously, we dont yet have data on what the damage for this Hurricane Season will be yet, but you can see those two years were wildly above anything weve experienced in the past. Yeah. Well, if you look at the data, if you look at the trend lines, its obvious that were getting more storms, theyre more intense, theyre costing us a lot more. I was talking to a good friend of mine who is a very good republican, a very good conservative guy, but he also happens to be an executive with an Insurance Company whose job it is to handle risk management. He said it doesnt matter how conservative you have, if you look at the data this century since 2000, the storms are becoming more plentiful and costing billions and billions of dollars. Every year it keeps getting worse. And his conclusion was with hes no meteorologist and neither are we, but he said anybody who suggested theres not Climate Change, they need to come into my office. Ill show them the charts. It is Climate Change and it is costing the country billions and billions of dollars. And its not just hurricanes. Youve had wildfires in the west, hail storms, all kinds of other unusual weather that we have not seen in the past. Yeah. And willie, you know, what is the whats the post office, neither rain nor sleet nor snow, that now applies to donald trump and his political pep rallies. Even as this storm was coming on shore and people were bracing for one of the worst storms in the history of the gulf coast in northwest florida, donald trump was Still Holding his pep rally. He said it would be unfair to cancel it because of all the people who showed up to be there. President trump was meeting with donors first in pennsylvania and then holding a Campaign Rally in erie. That fundraisers was expected to take in some 250,000 to benefit the trump reelection campaign. Some noted in 2012, some criticized president obama for holding a rally a week after a hurricane. Given the gravity of the storm, do you think its appropriate to go on a Campaign Trip tonight, sir . Well, i hear they have thousands of people lined up so we are in a little bit of a quagmire. I dont want to disappoint people. Some people got there last night. Well probably go because what are you going to do, tell thousands of people that have been waiting there all night that were not coming . Thats not fair, either. I cant tell thousands of people that have been waiting, some of whom who got there literally last night in order to be and get into an arena. Well, actually, you can. You can say im president and i criticized barack obama for holding a Campaign Event one week after a hurricane hit. I dont mean to be holding Campaign Events and having rich people come together for my fundraisers while people are literally fighting for their lives and keeping their businesses together in another part of the country. But rick tyler, thats exactly what he did. I suppose most other politicians would pay a heavy price for it. George bush paid a heavy price for having a photo taken of him looking down at the affected area while people in new orleans and mississippi were suffering from katrina. But here we have a president holding a full on pep rally while americans are suffering and dieing in northwest florida. Yeah. Joe, a group of americans are suffering, other groups of americans can understand that, okay, they didnt get to go to a pep rally and well have to reschedule it and the president should be focused and worried about other things. I realize the president cant go down there and change things or maybe the storm go away or make the recovery any better any faster. But it is significant. It makes it look like the the president and this president in particular doesnt care. And i can tell you in florida on a roll level, jeb bush wasnt going to pep rallies while hurricanes were coming into florida. We will be talking to jeb, in fact, the next hour. Its something no leader of any substance or worth would do this. They would not hold a pep rally. Yet theres donald trump. And, of course, he will pay no penalty for it. The same day he puts an. Oped in the usa today with a lie in every line he gets up the day after and mocks an assault victim. He probably did a political calculation. I get my free airtime when i go out and do my rallies. But i wanted to ask you about that for a second, though. Its very interesting, nobody is carrying his rallies any more. All the networks carried it when i was rating, but they dont rate any more. Word is politico says some people inside the white house are concerned. Its just again, its one of these the concerts where youve heard the band sing their songs for 350 years and he says the same thing at every rally. So why watch . Thats exactly where i was going. I think in Donald Trumps world, he doesnt understand those metrics at this point and thats why he is forging ahead. Even on fox where you have that captive audience, they basically dipped in a few times last night. That is a stunning, stunning move of events. But going back to the human part of it, that he just couldnt make beyond politics a simple human calculation about, wow, im feeling whats going to go back to my sociopathic diagnosis, he couldnt have the human decency in his head to go, wow, this doesnt feel right, even if its politically hes not up to speed on what is happening in the media world and its not affecting him, it doesnt even feel right to do this. That shows the humanity of this man beyond the political miscalculation based on where the media is going. He just couldnt understand how its humanly wrong to do it. Heidi, you have the human side of it weve talked about. You have the political side of it weve talked about. Then you have the leadership side of it, the management side of it that we talk about. For those that dont know, everybody is talking to everybody. When four storms hit north florida, bill clinton was on the phone nonstop. The governors of the surrounding states were calling throughout the day. Whether its trucks to get electricity there, relief, what fema is doing, its pretty much you are up. If youre in the white house and youre working 24 7, while these devastating storms are coming on shore, youre not going up to a pep rally in pennsylvania. Thats not even a political statement, thats just a statement of fact. No president does this. That is the protocol for every president. With the numbers of 3,000 killed in puerto rico and this administration facing very severe consequences if the democrats take control of the house and do an investigation of what exactly happened in puerto rico. You would think with that history especially this president of all president s would be very attune to the Hurricane Season. And as i looked at those images last night, its clear when these Natural Disasters occur, that is one population that is disproportionally hurt. That is poor people. If you saw the areas that were hit last night, it was a trailer park. So there is a human side of this, as well, that you would think would resinate with this president given the history. And the second thing i want to mention, joe, is that leadership matters. We saw not only the president go forward with his rally, but we saw the political bickering thats been going on and the attack ads in florida continue through the storm. You had people fleeing for their lives and super pacs on both sides of the aisle refuse to go pull their attack ads as well as ron desantis, the republican candidate for governor continuing his attack ads on Andrew Gillum on the storm issue. And as we talk about whether or not the president should have held the rally, well get into this substance later, but one quote from the rally from the president of the United States talking about his election and the first two years of his administration calling it, quote, the greatest revolution to ever take place in our country. Sounds like somebody needs tickets to see hamilton perhaps. The greatest revolution ever, huh . Well see. Still ahead, the latest on missing columnist Jamaal Khashoggi. New reports on what may have happened moments before he vanished from a saudi consulate. Lets face it everybody hates fees. Now sofi has no fees on personal loans. Thats right no fees on loans to remodel your bathroom. 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A man who is really doing well, if you believe in polls. I believe in polls. Only the ones that have us up because theyre the only honest ones. They take these polls and they show them and i say, that cant be right. If you look at the polls, the senate, everybody says were doing very well. But the house, i think were doing almost as well with regard to the house. It seems to me t they call it a generic poll. I dont know that a generic poll means anything because theyre individual races, the house. That was President Trump talking last night. Joining us now, Steve Kornacki. His excellent new book the red and the blue. We love having you in the slot this morning. A new one a few minutes ago out of texas. Cruz up 9 points, 5445. And i think there have been about a dozen polls now since labor day in that race. Only one of them has had orourke ahead. Lets look at tennessee. We looked at tennessee yesterday. But tennessee like texas are critical for democrats. There are a lot of these states like tennessee that seem to be slipping away from democrats. Anything can happen. But lets look at why dont we go to nevada. Heller was again, he was supposed to be the incumbent that was in the biggest danger. But here we have another poll that shows him up two. Thats still in the margin of error. But, again, more evidence that every republican is doing better post kavanaugh, at least in the senate. And that is the second nevada poll in two days. Now you have two polls out this week. The one on your screen there is from the New York Times in vienna. Two points for dean heller. One of the things that powered democrats in obama was extremely strong support from hispanic voters in nevada. In that New York Times poll, not necessarily seeing that same divide. There was a new poll out yesterday down in arizona, a poll from the abc affiliate in arizona, significantly the first poll in arizona since labor day to show martha mcsally, the republican, taking the lead in that race over kyrsten sinema. Has there been a turn in arizona or are we going to see more polls out in arizona proving this one to be more of an outlier . It would seem to fit into the trend of this week republicans at least doing very well in the senate polls and in a couple of house polls, as well. Tennessee, texas, nevada, arizona, is there a theme with all four. . Is it political gravity setting in in those states . Yeah. Youre starting to see the idea here of the republican base, the sort of latent remember voter. Republicans have been trying to get them interested, trying to wake them up. I think youre starting to see that in these numbers. The course of this year, it looked like republicans were heading for epic defeat and there have been moments when it hurricaned back up. Even on some individual house races, not necessarily the generic poll in the house, but some individual house races, theyve been getting very encouraging news. But, again, three weeks from now, what are we going to be seeing . Thats the question. Its a lifetime in terms the of President Trump. The special election for al frankens seat in minnesota, tina smith, democrat, has the lead. While democratic senator am my klobuchar is leading her republican opponent by 30 points now. In wisconsin, democratic senator Tammy Baldwin is Holding Strong in the Marquette University law school poll. She had up ten points. While republican Governor Scott walker has the slightest of lead over tony evers. So as you look at all these from start to finish, what do you see . I see right now the republicans getting a huge bump out of the kavanaugh hearings. Rick tyler, three weeks out, donald trump was down 10, 11, 12 points. We were castigated on this set for even saying this still is a race. Three weeks is a lifetime. One week is a lifetime. And that is the case. So right now, republicans are looking pretty strong. Right now at this point in 2016, Hillary Clinton was looking pretty strong. A lot can change in three weeks, cant it . A lot can change in three weeks and it did in 2016. I dont know that they all got it wrong. I think tracking the Electoral College made it difficult to predict President Trump would be president because he would have to essentially run the table. But as election day approaches, polls generally always tighten up. Republicans are more reliable voters in the off season. I agree with you, the kavanaugh hearings had a dramatically positive effect for republicans. One, it energized the trump base. And what they saw on the Senate Judiciary committee with the abandonment of the presumption of innocence, republicans said no, this is not what were seeking. A lot of the polls got it right. Hillary clinton won by almost 3 million votes. Donnie deutsch, things could tighten up. I suspect they will tighten up and well have another churn over the next one, two, three weeks. But, boy, looking back, there is no doubt as anybody that, you know, studies branding. There is no doubt that at least for senate candidates, that the kavanaugh hearings were a disaster the for the democratic party. The Enthusiasm Gap is back up to about nine points in terms of the enthusiasm of republicans over the democrats. I think what youre seeing, there is a chest out bump for the republicans there. Theyre feeling strong, theyre feeling successful. But i do think over three weeks, fear and anger will prevail. Working with the dnc, what theyve gone back to is their knitting and the message is health care, health care, health care. Theyre going to take away your health care. And i think the democrats realize as quick as they can turn the page on this and all of the local races, the attribute, the one issue that people are voting on for the first time more than the economy is health care. Thats the reason President Trump put all those opeds in the paper about health care. Coming up, well be joined by senator chris murphy next on morning joe. This is laura. And butch. And tank. And tiny. And this is lauras mobile dog grooming palace. Laura can clean up a retriever that rolled in foxtails, but shes not much on articles of organization. Articles of what . So, she turned to legalzoom. They helped me out. She means we helped with her llc, trademark, and a lot of other legal stuff thats a part of running a business. So laura can get back to the dogs. Would you sit still . 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This is a bad situation. We cannot let this happen. To reporters, to anybody, we cant let this happen. Were going to get to the bottom of it. Do you have a message to the saudi government . Are you demanding information . Yeah, we are. Were demanding everything. We want to see whats going on here. Thats a bad situation. Frankly, the fact that its a reporter, you could say that brings it to a level its a very serious situation for sxus for this white house. President trump in the oval Office Yesterday speak to go reporters about Jamaal Khashoggi who walked into the saudi consulate more than a week ago and has not been seen since. There are reports that the Saudi Crown Prince lured khashoggi from his home in virginia and back to the consulate. Coshowin khashoggi was a prominent critic of the saudi government. Earlier in the week, turkish officials concluded that a execution came from the highest levels of the royal court. Joining us now, democratic senator chris murphy of connecticut and the cohost of morning first look joining the conversation, as well. Do you have any further information on what exactly u. S. Intelligence knows here about what may have happened to Jamaal Khashoggi . I certainly dont have information that i can share. What i can say is that we are all very concerned that the saudis have been unable to offer any proof that this did not happen. For any of us that have spent time in consulates or embassies overseas, we know every single one of these embassies have cameras that are connected to taping systems. There is no way, in my mind, that the saudis wouldnt be able to easily offer proof that Jamaal Khashoggi left that embassy. They have been unable to do that. You partner that together with open source reporting regarding the turks relative certainty that they have enough evidence to suggest that this was ultimately a murder, perhaps a gruesome, grizzly murder inside, and its time for the president to get beyond talking about just being concerned. Did you have any reason to suspect Jamaal Khashoggi is alive . I dont. Is the impact for u. S. Saudi relations . This is part of a much broader, brutal crackdown that solomon is undertaking to those who oppose his regime. He has engaged in large scale executions. We need to be very concerned about whats happening inside the kingdom of saudi arabia. But we are also engaged in a disastrous military partnership with them inside yemen today that is predicated on us believing the saudis, that they are not intentionally trying to kill civilians inside yemen where the United States is helping them bomb. Given that they may be lie to go our face about what happens inside this consulate in turkey, why on either should we continue to believe them when all of the evidence tells us that they are, just as most of the evidence weve seen thus far tells us that they did kill Jamaal Khashoggi . I think it calls into question whether we should continue in this partnership with them inside the civil war in yes, maam. En. That has, by the way, killed about 10,000 yemenis over the course of the bombing campaign. Any concern right now how close of a relationship the about the and Jared Kushner have of both of them together to mbs and that close relationship may actually stop justice from being done to a Washington Post columnist who may have been lured into an embassy killed and then had his body hacked to little pieces. Add to that this reporting that suggests solomon was telling a bunch of people around him that Jared Kushner was sharing with him classified intelligence that he was receiving in briefs with the president regarding some of the most vocal opponents, maybe giving them tips who to go after. Theres clearly some underlying reason for this very close relationship between the trump family and the saudi royal family. Its something that no Foreign Policy adviser would have recommended. Maybe there are business interests there, maybe there are Campaign Finance directions. But we have to go to the book of that story as to why this administration has been so unconditionally supportive of a brutal regime that is ultimately making our National Security weaker in the conduct of this war inside yemen and now is going after u. S. Residents. Well, senator, you talked about reports of Jared Kushner may have been sharing information about his opponents of that regime. Isnt it important to find out what did our intelligence communities know, when did they know it, what did the president or Jared Kushner or the white house know and when did they know it . And did they send any warnings as they are required by a 2015 law to khashoggi himself to let him know that he may be in danger . Yeah. I think these are really important questions. If it is true that u. S. Intelligence knew that the saudis were trying to track him down and trying to kidnap him, why on earth did they allow him to go to a saudi consulate or to go to turkey where he was likely to go to a saudi consulate . He fled saudi arabia to come to the United States. He wasnt here as a political rev e refugee, but he was a high profile critic of the saudi government. It would have been very easy for the Trump Administration so reach out to him ask tell him that he should maybe stay here. So what are the cross currents here, not just with the trump familys relationship and jared can kushners relationship with the crown prince but the long standing relationship between the United States and saudi arabia. . If its proven that saudi arabia ordered the killing of a Washington Post columnist who is a legal resident of virginia, what are the real world implications of that . I think we got a glimpse of that last night. When he was asked about possibly imposing sanctions on saudi arabia or at least blocking the arms deal, his response was very blunt. He defaulted to the economic positions that saudi arabia buys billions of dollars worth of weapons and tra translates into jobs and a boost into the american economy. That was the president speaking last night when he was asked about the possibility of a high risk assassination attempt by the saudis on somebody that was living here in the United States. So i think it kind of puts into perspective how the white house, how others view the saudi relationship with the United States. Its not just economic. We know theres a long standing intelligence and security sharing, but Something Like this, i think from what were hearing initially is going to rattle the foundations of that relationship. Some people say if the u. S. Didnt criticize saudi arabia after 9 11 and didnt put a lot of pressure on the saudis then, we are enter ing a whole new level in that relationship. Jamaal khashoggi checked his cell phone just before entering the saudi consulate, but never read messages sent to him minutes later. This according to screen shots obtained by nbc news. Joining us with more on that report, josh letterman. Josh, what can you tell us . Well, this Text Messages that have been obtained by nbc news corroborate the timeline of the disappearance of mr. Khashoggi and they also provide further evidence that after he entered the consulate, he did not leave like the saudis have been claiming. Now these are Text Messages that were sent from a friend of in khashoggi who lives in the United States to him while he was in istanbul. We know there was a text message that was sent the night before and these are through the encrypted messaging app whatsapp. You know messages will show checkmarks next to them and if theyre gray, it means the messages have not been read and if theyre blue, they been read. As of 1 06 p. M. In istanbul, mr. Khashoggi had checked his phone. He had been online using whatsapp. Eight minutes later, he entered the consulate including the time frame thats included on the cctv image that youre looking at right now of him walking into the consulate. So 1 14, he entered the consulate. Another text message sent just about 10 minutes later to him was never read. Has those gray marks showing that he did not have them. So for the saudis claiming that he entered the consulate and then left, and was fine when he left, there are no indications from these Text Messages that once he was unable to see his phone after entering the consulate that he ever got access to that phone again. And one other where you thinkel to add in here, we talked about it yet, but senator bob corker, said he talked to the saudi ambassadorer about getting the videotapes that allegedly show khashoggi leaving and they said we dont have tapes, we only have live stream. Is there any doubt, josh, when you put all these pieces together in the mind of u. S. Intelligence that mr. Khashoggi was, in fact, murdered . Nobody wants to come out and say that affirmatively at this point because they dont have a body to show and they dont want to rule out hope that he could be still alive. He has a fiancee who is obviously very worried about him. But we have heard no indications at this point from u. S. Officials, from turkish officials that they think that he is alive and missing somewhere. All the indications from the evidence that is starting to amass in this very unusual case suggests that he may have been killed after entering the consulate. All right. Josh, thanks so much. We appreciate it. And just to add quickly to your point about security cameras at the consulate there, i spoke to a person who works for saudi arabia. He is familiar with security protocols and diplomatic outposts for the saudi government. He said it is unheard of that w inside and outside. Turkey is not the safest place on earth. Saudi is heavily involved in syria. Theres no doubt those cameras would have been working enough to substantiate him leaving the consulate. How could it be that same exact camera that captured him walking in suddenly was not working or suddenly somehow broke down in the course of several hours afterwards. They dont record they just live stream. Nypd can get a report on any block in the city on what happened. Senator murphy, a different topic. I want to ask you about this 24 hour one day effort to raise 1 million for pro gun control candidates coming into the midterms. Whats the idea here . The idea here is pretty simple. We got to walk and chew gum at the same time. All these other issues are important. We have a chance to do Something Special on the issue of guns. We have a Republican Congress that wont support universal background checks support by 90 of the public. Were running that one day Fundraising Campaign for candidates who are running aplus nra candidates. Its an effort to show the antigun Violence Movement has matured, grownup. It may be just as powerful as the gun lobby is in 2018. This is the first time these different gun groups, moms in action, the gifford folks and their allies have gotten together on a big fundraising drive and it runs through today and we hope folks go on nra and help these candidates that will take back the house of representatives from the gun lobby. Seven house seats and one for jackie rosen who is in a tight race. Thank you so much. Thanks. Still ahead the dow jones plunged 800 points yesterday. Well talk to Steve Rattner about why that happened and what we can expect today. Morning joe is coming right back. My name is elaine barber, and im a fiveyear cancer survivor. Surviving for five years is a big deal. I had so many people at ctca helping me find a way to go through the treatments. The reality of cancer is not everybody survives. At ctca, they have a huge celebrate life event. That was amazing, because the whole day was about all of the survivors. Im excited about my future. Visit cancercenter. Com to schedule an appointment now. 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Some buildings were washed away out to sea. They dont exist any more. Weve seen the before and after pictures already. 120 to 150 mileperhour winds. Thats what came on shore. Especially areas that were in the eye. This is a bowling ball of a hurricane to come on shore. Panama city beach wasnt half as bad as in the city of panama. They are 15 miles apart from each other. Further down the coast into mexico beach those are the communities that were just destroyed in these winds. Besides that, its going to look like match sticks all the way up through southern georgia, that eye still held its own for six hours as it went into southern georgia, you know the trees. Pine trees every where will be scattered. Bill, thanks so much. Well get back to you regularly throughout the morning to get an update on whats going on. If you watch the show, youve heard me say that i thought jeb bush was one of the most effective leaders ive ever seen. The most effective leader ive ever seen in my 25 years in politics. And covering politics. In large part because of the way he handled hurricanes and the way he managed Natural Disasters. We asked him to come on this morning and talk about what the people of northwest florida are going through. Good to be with you, joe. Those pictures are incredibly visible and a reminder of the power of Mother Nature and how we need to be humbled as we go about our business to take care of people. Can you tell us, governor, so often the eye of the storm hits landfall, goes in to other states, and people think that the danger is over. Actually thats when some of the danger, some of the other dangers come in to play. What do we need to be worried about this morning . What does florida need be doing clean up this morning . Actually most deaths occur after the storm has gone by and its because people go outside, they think its over. There may be water and may have electric lines that are underneath that water and people get electrocuted. People need to be vigilant and listen to Governor Scott with his quarterly or three or four times a day briefings. And then there needs to be, you know, i think people just need to chill out a little bit to allow for the massive numbers of people that are deployed to try to identify people that may be in remote areas to make sure everybody is safe and sound. Then you got the recovery effort where literally right now there are a thousand National Guard in our state deployed. Millions of gallons of water and ready meals, apparently half a Million Pounds of ice are being deployed to already designated areas. There will be a lot of assistance coming. The salvation army, the red cross. Were pretty good at this. But my only hope is that were in the midst of a campaign season. I think people need to put their arms down and stop the advertising, stop the campaigning, at least in these affected areas, and help their fellow man. Governor bush, its willie geist. Appreciate you being on with us this morning. Im looking at your record. In the Governors Mansion you had eight in a span of 14 months from august 2004 to october 2005. Were seeing more intensity as bill karins our meteorologist has been pointing out. What can we do to be better prepared in terms of infrastructure beyond boarding homes days before these storms. What should states like florida should be doing big picture . Florida did something that was really important when i was governor, the Legislature Passed the strongest Building Code in the country, and we are contanly lo constantly look at this because when cameras get back in these areas the new Building Code housing wont be damaged next to places that are completely destroyed. Secondly, you can be building in flood zones. Thats a lesson the country needs to be serious about. It should be harder to get loans, insurance, for new construction in places that will be more damaged. Thirdly in a state like florida its hard to evacuate because we have 22 Million People and further down the coast it is, its almost impossible to imagine evacuating. We need to create Even Stronger supply of shelters to take care of the most vulnerable citizens, the frail elderly, people with mental disabilities. The counties do a good job at that but that has to be the highest priority because you cant have millions of people on the road. We dont have the infrastructure to take care of it. We need adaptive policies for land use. If theres going be more storms and floods then we have to do what countries like the netherlands do. We won go back to wild florida where there arent 22 Million People. The reason why on those charts you showed in the morning that theres more Property Damage is theres more property. Its really a fact that we have this situation and we need to create adaptive policies over the long haul to deal with it. All right, governor jeb bush as always thank you so much for being on our show. Great talk towing. Thanks, joe. So, doris, youre the perfect person to caulk to on leadership. It seems to me theres a wider gulf than ever before between the type of leadership that it takes to win a political campaign, running effective pep rallies, and the type of leadership it takes to take people through storms. The guy we were just talking, to ive said it before, ill say it again, ive seen a lot of politicians up close, ive never seen anybody more effective in mobilizing a state with one hurricane after another doing it in a low key way. He was a great leader. But, obviously, and he would have been a great president. But, obviously, hes not president right now. Is the gulf guesting wider than ever before or has it always been wide between the skills of being a great president. Remember how long its been since weve heard somebody talk calmly about a problem. Instead the idea that president bush went the night before, instead of talking with empathy what people in florida might be going through, instead of talking about the prep regulates he could have used the moment to you night the country at this moment and instead used to divide him by saying i dont want to disappoint my supporters. Youre the leader of the whole country. You have to feel when do you make that transition between being a campaigner and president of the United States. Adlai stevenson once said the problem is not how to win a campaign but,000 win without proving youre unworthy of winning. They cant make that transition between campaigning and governing when the country needs to be pulled together. These are moments. They dont last long. But when everybody cares about this day. If you can rally people around that instead of lock up hillary. We cant make ourselves feel this is the way normally it is. This is not how president s deal with disasters. Between the contrast of the voice of jeb bush and President Trump. This is not normal. If we allow this to be normal we lose our sense of being americans. The rock of democracy will fo d founder if people think of themselves as other. We need leadership to bring that back together again. Chris matthews, here we are almost two years into Donald Trumps presidency. This is a time as im sure you knew from working with others, this is a time when you have a National Disaster come on shore or a huge event happening that they are on the phones, they are at their desks. They are managing fema. They are manages the sba. They are talking to the red cross. They are doing a thousand things at the same time as that eye hits the coast. And im not just talking about one president. Im not just talking about one governor. Im not just talking about jeb. All of them. Because nobody who be as irresponsible as to hold a pep rally while an eye is going on shore. Is this the new normal . Its trump. First of all, theres no umpires in politics. Whoever yells the loudest gets the call. Theres no cameras later to say the guy was out at first or safe at first. That doesnt work. Its up to the crowd. Trump and Mitch Mcconnell are out there waving a red flag about the mob. And the mob is coming. And thats an old american story. European story. Why do you think we have our capitals far from big cities. Because people are afraid of the mob. They are scaring people right now with people like Maxine Waters telling people to go after people in restaurants. They are building a counter story to what Donnie Deutsche was talking about, which is the normal way people will vote this way. They will vote against trump especially in the burbs where they would have voted democratic but had a problem with hillary. But democrats will win 30 to 40 seats. They have this counter narrative about were going to be attacked by the mob and i think that will work in north dakota. I think it will work, believe it or not, i think in nevada. I think it will work in missouri. But i also think the republicans got this story that you were just talking about, executive ability which jeb has been good on in dealing with crises. We crew up in big city with the mayor and police chief, commissioner standing on the curb across from the fire when theres a fivealarm fire. They are standing there doing their job. Thats what we want to see. Showing up. Trump doesnt show up. And, yet, he goes out there and starts his own fire. He knows what hes doing. Hes clapping to himself. Clapping for himself. They are like seals. And, yet this guy is doing it you know, joe, you know what will happen. Hell stay in the low 40s. Hang in there between 40 and 45 and then knock the block off whoever runs against him, turn him into a hard left crazy mob leading socialist and whether its corey or Kamala Harris or elizabeth, whoever, hell do that. Thats the plan. We can all watch it play out in the next two years. We know whats coming. The question is do the democrats have somebody that can fight back . John cornyn yesterday talking about those angry mobs. Yet the night before donald trump was getting his audience to chant lock her up, talking about Dianne Feinstein just because Dianne Feinstein was on a different political side than they were. Angry mobs . My god, thats out of the low point of the french revolution where you have demagogue standing up, talking about throwing somebody in jail because they disagree with you politically. That aint america. Well i got to tell you, Dianne Feinstein, shes no madam defarge. Shes a lock them up herself. Shes a law and order person. All the Northern California republicans like her because shes for the state of california, shes not an everyone deol ideologue. Thats the key to trump, he owns the moment. Joe was slow in the moment. Dianne feinstein has been slow. Shes let him attack her as the leaker. Who knows who leaked that. Maybe the lawyers did it. The pro bono lawyers. Maybe they wanted to leak it. They wanted that woman, dr. Ford to testify, Christine Blasey ford. So hes turned that into a crime. Lock her up for what . Leaking . Its not a crime. Willie, if leaking was a capital crime donald trump would have been in jail over the past 50 years. Thats true. John miller would have done a lot of leaking his press agent. Doris, let me ask you about the president s posture in the last week since or so since Justice Kavanaugh was confirmed. He has the victory on that front in that he has a Second Supreme Court justice in under two years. You can tell at these rallies and by the way hes carrying himself he feels he has a victory on the front that exposes something about his opponent that they are the anry mob, the radicals. They are protesting, not an angry mob. The idea that he considers them all part of something thats breaking the rule of law, its the other side that has that problem. Abe lincoln was very worried at one point that there was mob action in the 1830s and 1840s. Abolition editors were being killed. People on the other side were yelling at each other. He said the only answer is to restore the rule of law. He called for people to read to their children every night the declaration of independence, the constitution, the rule of law. The rule of law has not been followed in this administration. Thats the answer to the checks and balances. Theres no angry mob on the other side. Unless the democrats get the narrative, and im not sure what the story is right now for them. It just cant be antitrump. What would it be like to wake up in the morning and not have a scandal or breaking news. But were working together as a whole. Whoever can talk about healing divisions and make us feel as common citizens, but with a fiery passion. There could be such a person. Thats what the country needs right now. The irony of the angry mob is we watched a show last night with a guy in lindsey graham, chuck grassley, Brett Kavanaugh that was nothing but angry. You didnt see that from democrats. But what trump has been brilliant is at is perception of reality. Even though we watched, if you took the 20 million who watched and said which side was angry, which side was more mob like, clearly it was republicans. But when youre trump youre not speaking that reality. The other thing the way trump sold himself coming in versus jeb bush. He was the ceo, the problem solver. He was never ceo. He was a guy that ran a 20 person licensing person. Jeb bushes of the world have a skill set. That the very thing that trump ran on was a ma mi rrc ircmirag. The elite at the top are selling you out and the mob is coming through the gate. Trump uses the word the mob, mexicans coming across the border. Maxine waters down in South Central l. A. Shes part of the mob. They are all the mob coming. Mostly play up the ethnic minority. He puts it all together in one big frightening mess. So vote white. Isnt that the message . Vote lindsey graham. Vote for Brett Kavanaugh. Vote for the skinny white guy thats scared. Thats the theme hes working on. All he has to do is hold on. Hold on to the senate and cut his losses in the house. Heidi, i said early in 2016 during the campaign when donald trump was making blatant apeels to racist resentments i said there are not enough old white guys to elect this guy. This is a losing formula demographics or destiny, but a lot of people stayed home in wisconsin. A lot of people stayed home in michigan. A lot of people stayed home in ohio and pennsylvania, in florida and other states and the question right now is and the concern im hearing from some democrats right now is they are afraid again that the party is not doing enough to generate the voters that, like for instance the black women that helped elect doug jones in central alabama. So will the democrats make this type of rhetoric obsolete by getting people out to vote . So, i think we have to make a distinction between the house and senate because everything weve been saying is absolutely true about the numbers and the enthusiasm increasing in these read states where there are more registered voters. Interestingly in the blue states like michigan and ohio, those have been taken off the map for republicans so this is simply a game of turn out, like you say. I do think when you look at the numbers postkavanaugh, when you look at the suburbs in some of these suburban districts republicans are getting killed. The preference among women that was 22 points for democrats prekavanaugh is now 30 points postkavanaugh among women. Its even more severe when you talk about educated women. Women with college degrees. Its even more severe. Those are the women who vote. Theres a distinction here to be drawn between house and senate. Also i wanted to weigh in on the angry mob and why were talking about the angry mob, because youre absolutely right. Trump is returning to his divisive rhetoric of divide that he did during the campaign. Why is that . Its because he doesnt have the accomplishments to run on. They are hoping to run on the tax cuts. What weve seen in the polling is the tax cuts today are less popular. That in those areas like erie where there were thousands of people waiting, wrong. The tax cuts are unpopular. Secondly look at his oped he did the other day in usa today. They are very concerned about the health care issue. Both sides know that health care is the number one issue. And, again, republicans are swimming. They are under water on that because obamacare now has a favorability advantage of eight points. They are trying to turn the tables on democrats and say democrats are the ones trying to take away your medicare, which actually theres only one party thats on the record trying to cut medicare and that is if you look at the House Republican budget they proposed and approved a budget that cuts medicare and other Health Care Programs by 1 trillion. What democrats need do is they need to get out front on that issue of health care, because they have that Natural Advantage and if they dont exploit that, thats going massive failure for the democratic party. So, chris, i hear there are a lot of swing districts in california where hillary won, republicans are in right now. I dont know california as well as i do places Like Northern virginia where Barbara Comstock is having the fight of her political life because what heidi just talked about and that sof course, trump being upside down with suburban swing voters. You know an area that is probably one of the most important swing areas in america, those are the suburbs of philly. Your sbroer there. Whats the trench in philly right now . Its a classic example of what people thought would happen in 16. The difficulties hillary ran into at the end with comeys reports. Hillarys problems just generally. Theres no hillary problem this time. It will be a clean win for democrats. Women are running in chester, in delaware, in montgomery. They are attractive candidates. They won big primary victories. Bucks will be difficult. Fitzpatrick can win there. His brother is a popular congressman. They may win in lehigh valley. When we look at a map after this election where its 5050 in pennsylvania, 99 instead of 135. Thats the big change. If thats the pattern across the country, it is the people in the suburbs that read the paper, that keep up, watch this show in the morning on the way to work. They know whats going on and will vote against trump. They dont like him. Hes the bully in the schoolyard. They dont like him. I think it will be pure. Out west, in the red areas of the country its different. I think they are more patriarchal. They dont mind guys like trump than the suburban people. Suburban people tried to get away from this behavior. They dont like machine politics and bosses. I think my answer is a big clean win for the democrats like they thought they were going to get in 16. Pennsylvania, by the way, bobby case will walk back in and so is sherwood brown. Heres my message about democrats. They wont listen to me because im yesterday. Ill tell enthusiast, the American Voters, democratic voters are not greedy people. They want certain things but they will settle for certain less things. They want to be protected on social security, on medicare for themselves when they get older. They want medicare. When their parents get alzheimers or Something Like that, dementia, they want medicaid, they want the basics and obamacare. They want the basics now. They want to be able to have a situation where their kids can get a job near enough to them that they can come home on weekends once in a while. They dont want them to go off to california or Silicon Valley or new york they want their kids to stick around. Thats all the American Voters want and need in keeping their kids around. They are not greedy. They are not like trump. I think if democrats understand they dont have to be the latest avantgarde social thing, socialist thing. They want the basics. Go read the last hurrah again. I think we should ask just what Ronald Reagan asked when he ran are we better off now than we were four years ago. Ask the American People do you feel better now than two years ago. If heidi is right that some real things they are not experiencing, the tax cuts not helping them, the trade war is not helping them. But do you feel better about your country than you did four years ago, you feel better about the presidency and the rhetoric coming out of washington, people calling each other enemies of the people of the press, people saying democrats are horrible people. If you dont feel good about that then you have to stop it and go in another direction and that direction is in part what chris said just talked about the basics of what people care about their lives. Even if you think and you can just keep saying its better. Everything is better for you. Im making things good. At a certain point peoples lives play into that narrative. If you ask people do you feel good about your country they would say no. I agree. A more nuanced way we have to ask that question because he does have some things he can talk about economy, jobs, 3. 7 unemployment rate. But youre right at the end of it people are worse off in the sense of their after tax income but also in the whole state of the country. Its not a coincidence that the democrats are running hard on health care. If you look at the ads democrats are running its about health care against the tax cut and they do have some issues like that on their side. People said what is the dnc doing . They are not doing that much. But the house and Senate Campaign committee and candidates are energized on the democratic side and i dont think the kavanaugh thing will change that or distract them. Donnie, i know you did focus groups throughout your career. You usually find out about three minutes, four minutes in to talk to a group. You can make the dog food but you cant make the dog at the time food. You find out about three or four minutes in whether the dogs will eat the food or not. You find out what people want pretty quickly. For me i get all the evidence i needed by knocking on peoples door. You knock on three or four peoples doors and the first 15 minutes they are all talking about the same thing. Boom. You know what americans want. Chris was talking about what americans want that they arent greedy. I can tell you with all the people i talked to, my gosh over the past ten years, all the speeches, college campuses, rotary clubs, wherever i was, everybody at the end of the day whether its the 90 Second Street why or in alabama they are all saying why cant they work together. Why cant they gettogether. Im so tired of this fighting. And i know people talk about how everybody is becoming more tribal. No, actually whats happening we have a political system where you have primaries and only a third of a party vote in the primary and they are the most intense people in that political party. They are twothirds of the electorate that dont show up. Or you have a ton of independents who cant even vote in the primaries. Think about the impact if independents in every state could vote in primaries, how less extreme american politics would be. What is interesting is extremism is scaring people. Ever talk to a therapist recently and they will tell you for the first time in their careers so much of their discussion is about politics. People are just unnerved. I think people are exhausted. Its no coincidence how the trump rallies are not rating any more. I think for two years its an incredible show. You couldnt turn away from. I think people on both sides, particularly the independents, particularly the suburban voters as chris was talking about, are frielgtened and tired and scared and they want to relax a little bit and i think thats what will drive its not the economy at this point. Its an overall feeling not just your feeling better, are you better off. How are you feeling as a human being. I think people are feeling unnerved and i think thats whats going really, really drive the voters and overall feeling. I dont feel good. Not if im better off. I dont feel better. I think that will start to shift things. Willie, thats just not people in the suburbs, thats also a lot of conservatives ive spoken with that are like i dont want to talk about politic, im so exhausted. I voted for him in 16 but i dont want to talk about it. There is a sense of exhaustion. You can only, you know, speak at a screech for so long, yell at a screech until people just turn you off and say thats enough. And i think were getting there. Theres a sense of exhaustion but a sense of energy in people who want to go out and do something about this as doris suing geftd and well find out in three and a half weeks. Doris Kearns Goodwin thank you very much. Her new book is leadership in turbulent times. Chris well be watching hardball at 7 00 eastern as we do every weekday. 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Thanks for being with us. I want to start with a story that the Associated Press broke ned and ask you what you can tell us about it. The ap said your opponent who, again, is secretary of state in charge of registration and voting said that hes using suggesting hes using his position to suppress voters up to 55,000 people who registered to vote and 70 of those are black voters, they may not even know that hes trying to suppress their voter registration. What can you tell us about that and what can to be done to count ofry vote . Well, first of all, thank you for having me this morning. The challenge is this process called exact match. Weve been fighting him on this since 2014. If you have a hyphen in your last name, a difficult spelling, if anyone misspells or leave out anything they can use that as a reason to not process your registration. And that means about 53,000 georgians currently have their registrations in pending status. Technically they can cast provisional ballots but provisional ballots are often not processed. So were worried 53,000 people will be disenfranchised from this election. Lets state it again. Seven in the end of the voters are black voters in georgia. Yes. Some of them, many of them may not even know according ass know what the problem is. If you submit the exact same registration or the registrar transposes a letter in your name, you dont know thats the reason you werent processed. Number one you may not get the information. Number two, if you return the same information you submitted the first time, the same mistake can happen. But what we want people to understand is were fighting this. There are organizations across the state that are fighting this but we still can get our votes out. We need people to under we got one and a half million eligible voters who are on the roles, who vote in the midterms and they will stand up and speak for those 53,000 we can still make a difference in this election. Stacy this is willie geist. I want to ask your path to the Governors Mansion. The state has long been considered red. The nonwhite population justin last 28 or 30 years has grown from 29 to 40 in the state of georgia. How do you build a coalition, who is it composed of to win the election . Were going after every single voter because what we learned from past elections we can cherry pick our voters. Our voters pick us. Im talking about issues that matter. Im talking about health care. Im talking about creating good jobs every where. Im talking about education. We are trying to activate voters who dont think their voices matter. You were speaking earlier about the Kitchen Table issues and what we find is that regardless of your geography, they want access to health care for themselves and families. Im the only candidate with a comprehensive plan. Ive won every demographic. I won across the state of georgia, including the county of forsythe which has gotten a bit of a reputation in the past. My voice and the peoples values match and thats how we can win this election by talking about issues that matter to them not what matters to me. What did you learn from doug jones victory next door in alabama last year other than its nice to run against one of the worst political candidates in the history of american politics. What do you take away from his win . Number one he went every where. Thats what weve done in the state of georgia. I went to all 159 counties. Number two, ive done the hard work of actually going into these neighborhoods and knocking on those doors. We have fielded a program, Organizer Program thats going to knock nearly 3 million doors in this election. Number three what we learned is that values matter. That doug jones didnt just talk about his record, he talked about how that record would lead him to act in the senate. I talk about how my record of working across the aisle means i can work with the Republican Legislature but that my leadership as democratic head of the caucus i can fight for our values and hold the line on issues that matter. Thats what voters are looking for. They want a fighter, someone who can work with everyone to get things done. Thats my reputation for 11 years. Stacy, since 1978 when Newt Gingrich won his first seat in congress, the state turned red. Been a solid republican state. I realize youre going out and talking to these voters. What specifically is the impact of donald trump on this race . What are you hearing from voters and if they are supportive of donald trump how are you winning those voters over . I think that what we have found is that his presidency has generated an energy and an enthusiasm among a lot of voters. People who didnt think voting mattered remember november 2016 and realize yes their voices do need to be heard. Its less about his direct issues and more about the atmosphere hes created. On the issues of tariffs, on trying to eliminate coverage on preexisting conditions and having a candidate on the other side who support those positions help Energize Voters if youre a farmer in southern georgia theres a tax on you now, a tax placed on you by the Republican Leadership in washington. If you want to cover your preexisting condition because you after twotime Breast Cancer survivor, im the only candidate pushing for Medicaid Expansion and protecting your right to health care. So what were finding is that theres a narrative being scene out of d. C. But these are georgia voters with georgia values of family, faith and service and responsibility and they want the ability to take care of themselves and im the only candidate who is speaking to those issues. Stacy, youre in a dead heat in there race and the person who is holding back these voter registrations is your opponent, secretary of state kemp. Hes holding them back on the pretense there may be vote are fraud. In 2016 the Washington Post did an Exhaustive Research piece that found only four cases nationwide, four of alleged voter fraud and here you have in the state of georgia alone 53,000 potentially whose votes may not be counted or at risk of not being counted. What is the recourse . Is this just going to be accepted that were going into this razor type election and these peoples votes wont be counted or is there recourse between now and then . I want to emphasize three things. One, yes, 53,000 are being held in pending status. This isnt the first time hes done this. We took him to court, i did after my organization in the new georgia project and in coalition with other groups and we sued him four years ago. We got a federal court to force him to restore 33,000 illegally cancelled registrations. They then came back and passed ledge allocation to say he can do it again. Well fight him again. The court battle will continue. Voter superpretty good has two effects. One is to stop people from voting and the other is to scare people out of voting. I dont want the home have the effect on either side. We have enough registered voters in georgia twoin this election. Millions of people stayed home across this country in 2016 and in georgia it was nearly 750,000. But weve added new voter registrants. 250,000 new registrants are on the roles being processed right now. I want them to recognize their vois can be the amplification of those who have been told they can vote. So i dont want the home get scared away from voting. 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I can think they have made little comments. To say theyre crazy i never heard before. It violates one of the basic principles. So you can talk about that. When you take a look at whats happening, what you will see is the grey line, which are the tenyear treasuries. The Federal Reserve influences shorterterm Interest Rates. The movement in these longerterm Interest Rates has to do with the growth of the economy. The amount of bore eroing the government is doing and some fears of inflation. But can you see that, the red line, which is the 30year mortgage, essentially traps the grey line, which is the tenyear treasury. So the consequence of that is that for homeowners, mortgage cost versus gone up one full percentage point over the last year from four to 5 roughly because of this rise in Interest Rates and it is a big factor in the market, higher Interest Rates are the enemy of stock prices, because they give people in other places a place to invest their money. One of the reasons as i said is because the economy is getting stronger, but another reason is because the federal government is borrowing more. So what can you see here is a very sharp increase in the borrowing by the federal government. In 2016, it borrowed about 3500 become. And that has roughly doubled in 2017 to around a trillion dollars. Its going to stay at a trillion dollars for essentially as far as the eye can see. So that puts upward pressure on Interest Rates, obviously, when the government issues more debt. And its also worth noting the rate the government pays on that debt is rising. So the consequences for the federal government is a much higher interest bill, which will crowd out spending as this last chart will show you. Can you just go back to the last chart . Its very interesting. Look at the year 2008. The one before that. It says it all, oh, wait, 2008, thats where the debt look, we had a big jump because of the recession on the financial crisis. Even before that, we were not borrowing as much money. We have turned deficits into a way of life here. That has enormous consequences. And as this next chart shows, you will see the consequences for the federal government, which is what happens to its interest expense. So the red line is the federal governments interest expense, which has stayed constant. We are borrowing money the rate is coming down the cost as a share of the government was fairly muted. Now its starting to rise. You can see that it is about to pass the cost of interest on our debt is about to pass the cost of medicaid. In 2023 the costs and interests on our debt is going to pass the entire size of our military budget. And few want a fun fact, our interest expense is the size of the entire economy of belgium. So, steve, where is this money going . Is the ride over . There have been great returns on wall street. People who have owned stocks or had 401ks have seen a great rise almost over the last decade. Is that rise over now . Where is that money . You say its left the market but where is it going . The old joke, rick, if i knew the answer, i wouldnt be sitting here with donny and willie. With me . Leave me out of this. You visited. Look, the market has had a great ride, but corporate profits have been very strong the Corporate Tax cut corrected the market, more than normal. But the other thing thats weighing on the market is the trade situation. It is unnerved a lot of people. China is completely in a state of downward spiral at the moment. We have to see where that leads. So the short answer is i dont know. Interest rates are the enemy of the market. That i can tell with you some certainty. If Interest Rates continue to rise the way they have been because of these pressures, that will be tough on the market. I do want to mention, i think trump will be using the federal voting. People dont understand the fed. He told the story of the fed over a long period of time saying they dont know what theyre doing, et cetera, et cetera, as the market drops, hes able to say that will be the feds fault not his fault. It may be fairly successful for his supporters the irony, these are complicated characters, hes appointed the chairman of the fed and three governors, they have been top notch appointments. They have been highly qualified, good people. The cycle is the government runs up a huge debt, Interest Rates go up. Then that government blames the fed for raising the Interest Rates that were based on the running up of the debt in. You got it. A real quick statement. Are we priced in for a blue wave in terms of market right now . In what sense . Is that already faceted into the market. Say three weeks from now, democrats run the house . No, i this i the market is expecting the i think the market is expecting the democrats to take the house. 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We will see a ton of these trees, southern georgia, central georgia. All along a sixhour path of the eye moved inland. Trees everywhere. Its really in panama city, itself, we will see complete zruvenlgs lets get to t comp destruction. There is isolated power out annuals because of that. That will not be the big issue. It will be this huge rain shield. We already have flash flood warnings in south carolina. Now were going to watch that threat going up the east coast. 63 Million People at risk of flash flooding today. Some of the heaviest rains will be this afternoon and evening in this strike from Central Carolina into washington, d. C. , norfolk area and the southern portions of the chesapeake bay. Thats a possibility of fivetoten inches of rain. Those wind gusts i was mentioning, colombia at 40. That will not cause too much additional problems. Because of the travel delays because of this rain, we take the heavy rain through North Carolina, raleigh you are in the middle of it. Noon today, greensboro, by the time we go into this afternoon into this evening, richmond that evening drive from d. C. Southward will not be fun. It will be torrential rain and gusty winds along with it. We take it through the tail end of the rush hour into new york, philadelphia, there is the heavy rain from d. C. Out to maryland, finally by early tomorrow morning, we take the rain threat and kick it out here into southeastern portions of massachusetts. We have a high risk of mass flooding today, North Carolina and virginia, we could see additional problems. The biggest problem is when we see these aerial positions, we see how devastating 155 mile winds was in the area of the panhandle of florida. Back to you. Bill kierans, thank you so much. We greatly appreciate the incredible work over the past 24 hours. Steve ratner, lets talk about this storm, here we are, were in midoctober. Were having storms that you usually see at least where im from you usually see these sort of storms if they hit, you will see them late august september, maybe the first week of october, early. But the storms are getting more powerful. Theyre coming at us more quickly. Talk to us about it. You got this charted out. Talk to us about the intensity of these storms getting stronger. Everybodys impression that these storms are coming more often each year is true. So if you take look at a chart that we put together. Can you see at the bottom there is a black line. This is the average from 1980 until 2018 of the number of storms that cause a billion dollars of damage or not. And the annual average during this period is six. So there have been an average of six storms of intesevere intens per year. You start in january, as the year goes on, you get storms more and more. Few look at whats up at the top here, you can see all these storms, these major storms have all occurred in the last two years. In 2012 when we of course had sandy, in 2008, in 2016, and then you can see over here the red line, which is where we are now, can you see you can see th on average. I would refer to meteorologists why this is happening the data is clear the number of storms is much higher. In the last five years, weve averaged 11. 6 major storms compared to sticks on average since 1980. Then if you want to look quickly at the cost of these storms, you can see what happens, which is that which is, again, you have a black line at the bottom, which is the longterm average, a relatively small amount of damage. Then you have, so far, two major breakout years 2005, which was katrina. And you have 2011 which was sorry, 2017, which was harvey, irma and maria. You can see those up here as huge numbers as well, obviously, we dont yet have data on the damage for this Hurricane Season will be yet. Can you see those two years were wildly above anything weve experienced in the past. Well, if you look at the data, if you look at the trend lines, its obvious that were getting more storms, theyre more intense, theyre costing us a lot more. I was talking to a good friend of mine who is a very good republican a very good conservative guy, but he also happens to be an executive with an Insurance Company whose job it is to handle risk management. He says, man, it doesnt matter how conservative you are. If you look at the data just this century since 2000, look at the storms, theyre becoming more plentiful, more intense, theyre costing billions and billions of dollars. Every year it keeps getting worse. His conclusion was, hes no meteorologist, neither are we, but he said anybody that suggests there is not Climate Change, they need to come into my office, ill show them the charts. It is Climate Change, it is costing the country billions and billions of dollars. Remember, joe, its not just hurricanes, weve had wildfires in the west and hail storms and all kind of other unusual weather we have not seen in the past. Willie, you know, what itself the post Office Neither rain nor sleet or snow or whatever will stop yeah. That now applies to donald trump at his political pep rallies. Even as this storm was coming on shore and people were bracing for one of the worst storms in the history of the gulf coast in the northwest florida, donald trump is Still Holding his pep rally. Well, he said it would be unfair to can sell it because of all the people that showed up to be there. President trump was meeting with donors first in pennsylvania and holding a Campaign Rally in erie. The fundraiser is expected to take in some 250,000 to benefit the trump reelection campaign. Some noted in 2012, trump criticized president obama a week after Hurricane Sandy hit the east coast. In the face of questions earlier in the day the president repeatedly claimed it would be unfair to can sell last nights event. Report mr. President , given the gravity of the storms, do you think its right to do a ralry . I dont want to disappoint people. Some people were staying, they got here last night. Well probably go, what are you going to do, thousands of people waiting there all night that were not coming . Thats not fair either. I cant tell thousands of people that have been waiting, some of whom got there literally last night in order to be and get into an arena. Well, actually, you can. Its very easy. You say, our brothers and sisters on the gulf coast are suffering and im the president of the United States and i criticized barack obama for holding a Campaign Event one week after a hurricane hit. I really, i dont need to be holding Campaign Events and having rich people come toke for my fund raisers while people are literally fighting for their lives and trying to keep their businesses together in another part of the country. But rick tyler, thats exactly what he did. I suppose most other politicians would pay a heavy price for it. George bush paid a heavy price for having a photo taken of him on air force one looking down the affected area while people in new orleans were and mississippi were suffering from katrina. But here we have a president holding just a full on pep rally while americans are suffering and dying in northwest florida. Yeah, joe, it seems actually when a group of americans are suffering, other groups of americans can understand that, okay, they didnt get to a pep rally, well have to reschedule it. The president should be focused and other things. I realize the president cant go down from athere and change thid make the recovery any faster. It make it look like this president and this president in particular doesnt care. Yeah, donny, its not only that, but you want the president focused in on the storm thats happening. You want him talking to his fema chief. You want him talking to the head of the sba. You want him talking to people on the ground. You want him talking to the governors. I can tell you in florida on a local level, jeb bush wasnt going to pep rallies while hurricanes were coming in, in florida. Its something nobody would do, no leader of stance ubstance or would do, they wouldnt hold a pep rally. Yet, theres donald trump. Of course, he will pay no consequence for it. You know, there is a political analysis and a human analysis the human analysis is to your point, i agree 1,000 . He puts an oped in usa today every line three or four days after he gets up and mocks an obvious assault victim. Its basically i can shoot anyone on fifth avenue and it wont make a difference. I get my free air time when i do a rally. Donny, i want to ask you, its interesting, nobody is carrying his rallies anymore. They dont rate. Fox doesnt carry it. Cnn doesnt carry it. I mean all the networks carried it when it was rating. They just dont rate any more. The word is, politico says, some people inside the white house are concerned that it just, its just, again, its one of these, its one of these concerts where youve heard the band sipping their songs for 50 years and he says the same thing at every rally, so why watch . Thats exactly where i was going. I think in Donald Trumps world, he doesnt understand those metrics at this point. Thats why he is forging right ahead. It is an interesting tell, people obviously on fox, where you got that captive audience, they basically dipped in a few times last night. Thats a stunning, stunning kind of move of events. But going back to the human part of it, he couldnt make, beyond politics, a simple human calculationant, wo calculatio about, we diagnose here, he couldnt have a human kind of decency, understanding the human calculation, he had to go, wow, this doesnt feel right. Even if its politically, hes not up to effect multimin the world. Based on where the media is going, he just couldnt understand how its humanly wrong to do it. Well, heidi, you have the human side of it we talked about. You got the political side of it we talked about. Then you got the leadership side of it, the management side we talk about it. For those that dont know and i have been through four of these things when i was in congress, everybodys talking to everybody. The president i mean, when storms, i had four storms hit northwest florida, bill clinton was on the phone nonstop. The governors of the states of the surrounding states were calling throughout the day. They were talking about how they move, whether its trucks, to get electricity there or relief, what fema is doing. Its pretty much you are up if you are in the white house and you are working 24 7 while these devastating storms are coming on shore. Youre not going to a pep rally in pennsylvania. Thats not even a political statement. Thats just a statement of fact. No president does this. That is the protocol for every president , joe. But you would think especially for this president , given the history here. We are on the heels of a last Hurricane Season that was devastating with the numbers of 3,000 killed in puerto rico and this administration facing very severe potential consequences, if the democrats take control of the house and do an investigation, which has not been done yet of what exactly happened in puerto rico. You would think with that history, especially, the president would be, this president of all president s would be very attune to the Hurricane Season. And as i looked at those images from last night on our own network, joe, its clear that when these Natural Disasters occur, there is one population that is disproportionately hurt. That is poor people. People who have less money. If you saw the areas that were hit last night, it was a trailer park. And so there is a human side of this as well that you would think would resonate with this president given the history. Then the second thing i want to mention, joe, leadership matters. Okay. We saw not only the president go forward with his rally, but we saw the political bickering thats been going on and the attack ads in florida continue through the storm. He had people fleeing for their lives and super pacs on both sides of the aisle, refusing to pull their campaign ads as well as ron desantis the republican governor refusing to pull his ads on Andrew Gillum on the storm issue. Sti still ahead, Steve Kornacki will be breaking down the new numbers next on morning joe. David life is complicated. Choosing a Health Care Provider doesnt have to be. Molly thats why i choose a Nurse Practitioner for my familys primary care. David my np is accessible and takes the time to listen. I love my np. Molly our np orders tests, makes the correct diagnoses and prescribes the medications we need. David my name is david and i choose an np. Molly my name is molly and we choose nps. Np consider an np. Visit we choose nps. Org to learn more. When you rent from national. 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You know they take these polls they show them, i say, that cant be right. If you look at the polls the senate the house, i think were doing almost as well with regard to the house. They call it a generic poll the republicans will doing well. I dont know it means anything, because theyre individual races, the house. Thats President Trump last night talking about the polls, first at a rally in erie, pennsylvania and then at fox news. Now Steve Kornacki, his book the red and the blue and the birth of tribalism we have new polls, including one just out a few minutes ago in texas. What does it tell you . Yeah a new ted cruz beto orourke has cruz up 54 . One has beto orourke ahead, cruz, the totality of the polls clearly ahead out there. You look at other states. Lets look at tennessee. Actually, we looked at tennessee yesterday. Tennessee like texas critical for democrats. Texas has always been sort of an outside shot. But there are a lot of these states like tennessee that also seem to be sling away from democrats, even though we have 26 states left. Anything can happen. But lets look at why dont we go to nevada, heller again was supposed to be the incumbent in the biggest danger. But here we have another poll that shows him up to thats still in the margin of error. Again, more evidence that every republican is doing better postkavanaugh. At least in the senate. Yeah, that is the second nevada poll in two days. We had our own nbc maris poll that showed the same results. Two polls out this week. Two polls showing that twopoint lead for dean heller. A couple things when you start looking inside the numbers there in nebraska. One of the things that powered democrats, sizable victories was extremely strong support and turnout from hispanic voters in nebraska in that New York Times upshot poll. Not necessarily seeing that same divide. Also there was a new poll out yesterday down in arizona, a poll from the abc poll in arizona the first since labor day to show martha mcsally, a republican taking the lead over kyrsten sinema, every poll since then raises the question, has there been a turn in arizona similar to what weve seen in tennessee potentially and nebraska and other states or are we going to see more polls prove this to be more of an outlier . Again, it would seem to fit into the trend this week, republicans doing well in the senate polls and a couple house polls as well. See you put those together, tennessee, texas, arizona, nebraska, is there a scene with all four . Is there political gravity starting in those states . Yeah, you are starting to see the start of the la at the present time republican voters. Republicans have been trying to get them interested, whattic them up. The question we have been asking all week is the kavanaugh effect has been debated is does this last until election day . Remember, the course of this year, there have been moments when it looked like republicans werent headed for defeat but headed for epic defeat. Republicans i think its safe to say republicans have been getting some of their best polling news in the last week. Absolutely on the senate side. Even some individual house races. Not necessarily the generic poll, the individual house races have been getting individual encouraging news, again, three weeks from now, what are we going to be seeing . Thats the question. Its a lifetime in the age of trump. The nbc marist poll, for senator tina smith she has a 16point lead. And democratic Amy Klobuchar is leading by 30 points now with likely voters. Its looking slightly in the east, Tammy Baldwin, democrat, Holding Strong in the law school pool. She is up ten points in a second bid for her term. The Governor Scott walker has a slight lead, leading tony evers 4746. Last month evers was ahead by five points. Coming up on morning joe, a story tracking back to the highest levels of government, turkey, saudi arabia and the United States. What exactly happened to column yvette Jamal Khashoggi . New details coming up on morning joe. Here we go. Discover. I like your card, but im absolutely not paying an annual fee. Discover has no annual fees. Really . Yeah. We just dont believe in them. Oh nice. You would not believe how long ive been rehearsing that. No annual fee on any card. Only from discover. You always get the lowest price on our rooms, guaranteed . Lets say it in a really low voice. Carl . Lowest price, guaranteed. Just stick with badda book. Badda boom. Book now at choicehotels. Com you can do things like change your settings, learn tips and tricks, troubleshoot, and even manage your account. Finding your Xfinity Username or wifi password, restarting your equipment, or paying your bill is easier than ever with x1. X1 help. Another reason to love x1. Say teach me more into your voice remote to get started. Its a very sad situation. Its a very bad situation and we want to get to the bottom of it. Inaudible question ] i dont want to say that. I hope hes not. Will you hold who is responsible . They have to see who did it. They seen him go in. They didnt see him out. We will take a look at it. This is a bad situation. We cannot let this happen to reporters to anybody. We cant let this happen. And were going to get to the bottom of it. Yeah, we are, we are demanding everything. We want to see whats going on here, its a demanding situation. Frankly the fact that its a reporter, you could say in many respects it brings it to a level its a very serious situation for us and for this white house. We do not like seeing whats going on. President trump in the oval Office Yesterday speaking to reporters about missing counterallist Jamal Khashoggi who walked into the saudi consulate in turkey more than a week ago and has not been seen since. They say they personally ordered an operation to lure him from his home in virginia back to saudi arabia and then to capture him. Thats according to u. S. Officials familiar with intelligence intercepts of saudi officials discussing that plan. Khashoggi was a prominent vocal critic of the crown prince. Abc news has had no access to the intercepts. U. S. Intelligence official versus not commented. The New York Timesors stating that earlier in the week senior turkish Officials Say an assassination came on the highest levels of the saudi court. Saudi arabia denies the claims, saying khashoggi left the consulate. Senator chris murphy of connecticut joins us. Do you have any information about what may have happened to Jamal Khashoggi . Well, i certainly dont have information that i can share. What i can say is that we are all very concerned that the saudis have been unable to offer any proof that this did not happen. And for any of us that have spent time in consulates or embassies overseas. We know that every single one of these embassy versus cameras, have cameras connected to taping systems. There is no way in my mind they cant offer proof he left that embassy. They have been unable do that. You partner that with the open source reporting regarding the turks relative certainty that they have enough evidence to suggest this was ultimately a murder, perhaps a very gruesome, grizzly murder inside. Its time for the congress and the president to get beyond being concerned and do something about it. Can i ask it another way, senator . Do you have any reason to believe that Jamal Khashoggi is alive in. I dont. Senator, whats the impact that the crown prince the leader of saudi arabia mbs actually did plot this out, send 15 of his thugs to saudi arabia and killed a Washington Post columnist and a u. S. Resident on foreign soil . What is the impact for u. S. Saudi relations . So, this is part of a much broader brutal crackdown that mohammed bin salmon is undertaking against those who oppose his regime. He has jailed his own family members, he has jailed prominent womens rights advocates and has been involved with executions. We need to be very concerned in saudi arabia. We are engaged in a disastrous military partnership with them inside yemen today predicated on us believing the saudis they are not intentionally trying to kill civilians inside yemen where the United Nations is helping them bomb. Given the fact that they may be lying to our face what happened in this consulate in turkey, why on earth should we begin to believe them they are not targeting bombs inside yemen when all of the evidence tells them they are, just as most of the evidence thus far stem cete they did kill jamal cash oak. I think it questions this partnership in yemen by the way thats killed 10,000 yemenis over the course of the company. 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Because keeping our kids safe and improving our neighborhood Public Schools is always tonys top priority. We are running a oneday campaign for candidates running against aplus nrarated incumbents across the country. Were trying to raise a Million Dollars for those candidates. Its annest to show theyre mature, its grown up, it may be just as powerful as the gun lobby in 2018. That was senator chris murphy of connecticut speaking with us earlier this morning. Speaking with us, fred guttenberg, his daughter jamie would have turned 15yearsold in july. Fred is the found irof orange ribbons for jamie and started a orange waves in november. Columnist and Deputy Editor at the Washington Post ruth marcus. Good morning to you both. Fred its an honor to meet you. I havent had the pleasure of meeting you in person. What we seen is as an activist in eight months. Eight months later, how are you and your wife doing after the death of jamie . You know, every day is a new reminder of what we miss and honestly the only thing that keeps me from falling apart is doing what im doing now. I was telling actually rick in the room back there about an experience a few weeks ago planning travel for my family to new york for my brothers unveiling. And on the website, i put in the names of the three people who needed tickets. Myself, my wife and my son. I couldnt save it. Because i put in the number 4 for the amount of tickets that i needed because im so used to being a family of fouf. There isn four. There isnt a day where we dont go through moments like that. I know i never get my kid back. But, god willing, i could be a part of doing something to break the fever in this country when there is a fever and get us back to decency, civility and safety. The language that we use the laws that we pass. The insanity of things that are going on with people who are elected to represent everybody, not just their base. It all creates an environment that is not safe for people. And i hope to present the rational as to how we can do better than that. We have to. So, fred, good morning. Good morning. I just, i want us before we talk about some of the issues we have been showing pictures of jamie, we want you to tell everybody again, talk about your beautiful daughter. Talk about what she loved doing. Talk about what she dreams of doing when she graduated from high school. Jamie was honestly and i know parents say this, she was just the perfect kid. My daughter lived to help others. She volunteered her time for kids with special needs. She was a part of the antibullying programs. One of the Amazing Things that i experience now when i go to the high school is having kids come up to me and tell me stories about how my daughter and you could see in those pictures, she was not a big kid, but would step in between someone being bullied and the bully and make it stop because thats who she was. And i remember i once said to her, you need to stop doing that and go get like adult help because youre going to get hurt. Her answer to me was, dad, dont worry, they underestimate me, the cost of my size. Thats who she was. She was a fighter. She was tough. But she was beautiful. She was sweet. She was funny. I saw the pictures with the dogs. She lived for her dogs. She volunteered to the humane society. But i think even also knows she was this amazing competitive dancer. Her dance sisters. Her friends, theyre all going through their sweet 16s now. And thankfully theyre still a part of our life. But watching them all grow up and have these new experiences every day, we just miss our child a lot. I know you kept yourself going through activism. Orange ribbons for jamie, what is it . How do people get involved . So armed ribbons for jamie is the foundation that i started. Orange happened to have been jamies favorite color and the night she died, it went viral through the dance world. It wasnt until a few weeks later where someone came to me and set, you know, that itself the color of the gun safety movement. And i did not know that. So it was just one of those crazy connections and the day that i heard that was the day that i decided to start the orange ribbons movement. It honors jamie and what mattered to her in life. So were utilizing money that we received to give back to dance programs to antibullying programs, were doing an event with the humane voted. B humane society. It will be used to educate around issues important to why jamie died. Why she was murdered. Gun soviet, gafety and gun viol those who want to be saved to understand what that really means. When i stand here and talk about it, it doesnt mean im against the second amendment. It doesnt mean im looking to do a gun grab. Heck, we passed gun safety in florida. No lawful gun owner has experienced any change. You know, but you know so i want to make sure people understand what it means and so thats a part of what im attempting to do and one of the crazy things that i did was on fathers day. I couldnt celebrate fathers day this year. There was just no chance. So i went out that morning, i did what i always do, i wrote. Thats how i kind of get my feelings out. I talked about it instead as a day to celebrate our roles as dads. Instead of interebeing celebrat wanted to celebrate my family. I asked all dads to do the same. Moms have been amazing. They have been vocal, theyre loud, theyve stepped up. They have been organized. The kids, they have been amazing. Any concern we had about our kid and cell phones, we should obliterate that concern. They are vocal, they know how to communicate. They have. The dads, they werent stepping up. They were staying out of this. I dont know if its a macho thing. I dont know what it is, but they werent. Thats when i started this orange wave in november. It started as a way for me to get dads involved. I see you are showing the sign. But we started this campaign to try to get dads to do some unique video using the color orange to show their commitment to vote for gun safety. And thats all that it was. We got some amazing videos. Peter paul and mary rewrote puff the magic dragon for it. Another guy wrote a unique song called turn november orange. Someone else did some sky diving. We did cool things. I want dads to know its okay to say i support the safety of my family and those who i love. Fred, first im meeting you, im so moved by you. You are blowing me away. You are a hero. Im watching picture of your daughter who is exactly the same age almost looks identity cam to my daughter. I cant fathom as a dad going through it. What do you say to people politic aside, you are getting through the most herculean thing to deal with. How do you you live your right and this happens. I remember reading a book when bad things happen to good people. Rabbi that actually lost a child to leukemia. How do you process this for people going through anything in their life . It seems insurmount annual if you are looking on the outside. Yet im watching your strength and how you deal with it. What how do you have your arms around it . Im not sure i have processed it to be honest. I went straight from february 14th. I kind of went through a week or two following this, Walking Around my house to even who would listen and saying, i got to break that fing lobby the gun lobby. And that because i do blame them for holding our legislators and legislation hostage. And i went from just that week or two of mourning into mission. I have been going through this now since then. I havent stopped. I find when i stop is when i break down. I do plan after the election to take a month to go crawl under a rock and just deal with myself a little bit. I try to be there right now for my wife and my son. Honest answer. But i do need to deal with some of this, because i havent yet. But thats the way you are dealing with it, focus on others and focus on the mission and thats only and listen, for me right now, ive even stopped talking about policy. Because right now all that matters is this upcoming election. And its having an election where people are free to come out and vote in a way that will break the fever in this country and we have a fever and its being fed by a lot of people who should know better. And i listen to you guys as i was telling you all the time, talking about is there a movement now back towards maybe the republicans and looking at the base numbers. The untold story of this election. I think this message is not getting through on the news programs and it should is going to be all those newly registered voters who dont get registered in polls and it will be those independents who i meet every single day, who have had enough. Its going to be the women. I was in pennsylvania two nights ago with actually something for Scott Wallace and they were actually they were feeling a little dejected with all the mom talk. And i think thats the purpose of the mob talk is to dampen enthusiasm on the other side. I said to them, embrace it. I think every single american who believes we should do better should immediately go to twitter and say we are the mob and we will vote. Embrace it. 30 not a mob. They were peacefully protesting and thats their right. That itself american right. So thats what im doing now and its my hope for this country that we will break this fever, maybe bring back some divided government, where we can actually do something on the issue that i think is most important to all americans, its your right to walk haifaly amongst otha safely amongst others, in schools in movie theaters. Fountain square in cincinnati. It was just a few weeks ago. We have a right to be safe. Ruth marcus, things have, the politics of this debate, they have changed dramatically postnewtown, washington has done very milittle. My god, they havent been able ban bump stocks, clearly, clearly going around the spirit of the lemon law. But florida, as fred said a very, very conservative state when it comes to gun r50i9s. Florida actually passed some gun reform legislation. Other states have been doing that as well and there is not this feeling anymore that its nra versus versus nobody on the other side. Its actually there are counterweights to that. And this battle is really more down the middle now. It is. Let me start by adding my voice to the chorus of people who are so in awe of frank guttenberg, the newtown parents and parkland parents and everybody else that turned their tragedy, tried to turn their terrible tragedy into positive action. Along those lines i want to thank you and msnbc and senator have joined us at the Washington Post, being really determined not to allow our missing columnist to go unnoticed, and if the terrible thing has happened to them, to make sure there is accountability. The politics of gun control and reasonable Gun Legislation have so transformed themselves, itself, joe, as you well know. It used to be, not very long ago, that democrats were in a completely defensive crouch on guns. The whole goal was to keep the topic out of elections. Now, im not sure if theres going to be an orange wave. I certainly hope so. But simply the notion that putting guns on the ballot, putting your position on guns on the ballot could be a boon to democrats and others who support sensible Gun Legislation as opposed to something they need to scurry away from as fast as possible is a significant change and a positive change that grows out of these terrible tragedies. The problem is, as you point out, with bump stock, we havent yet seen that changed political environment turn as much as we would have liked to into change legislation. Now, there are this is these are not difficult issues if you have the courage. You take Something Like after newtown, background checks, you know, to keep guns out of the hands of those who are mentally ill, terrorists. Domestic abusers. 90 of americans support an enhanced background checks, and yet there were some people who didnt even have the courage to vote for that. I believe that is changing. It is changing in part because of people like fred, and fred, we just want to thank you for being with us. We greatly appreciate it. We hope youll come back before the election. Thanks, fred. Thank you for having me. Have a good day. All right. Willie. Well be right back. I dont know whats going on. Ive done all sorts of research, read earnings reports, looked at chart patterns. Ive even built my own historic trading model. 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I am just still thinking about fred. We all, joe, theres stories and then you have a daughter and willie has a daughter and the troubles that we deal with every day compared to somebody who lost a child, you know, just puts everything in perspective. Yes, really does. Rick, final thoughts . I think the same. I met fred off set and he couldnt have been more gracious. He acknowledged immediately we shared a different position on gun control. He described to me his daughter was in the hallway when she was shot and there were cameras so he knows exactly what happened. She had gotten around that corner one second later, she would have survived. He told me that thought and her fear never, ever leaves his head. He was talking to me, while he was talking to us on set, thats always in his mind. Shoutout to bill and the weather team for covering storms like they do. I just want to say thank you. What a great job by bill. Thank you for doing that. Ruth marcus, final thoughts. Im thinking about fred guttenbergs comments about the mob and the women he spoke to i think he said in pennsylvania who were taken aback by and concerned by President Trumps attacks on the mob. And i think its really important for us to talk about two things at once, about the importance and tradition and significance of protests and speaking out for what you believe in, whether its on the Supreme Court or on gun control or on politics in general. And to not have that dismissed as the mob and diminished, but at the same time, to try to maintain some civility in public life despite all our disagreements. Yes, and certainly with less than a month before the election, nows not the time to be discouraged, willie. Now is the time to register your friends and start planning, get everybody out to vote regardless of what side youre on. Thats right. Your final thoughts . Its 9 00 and its time to stephanie ruhle. Stephanie picks up our coverage right now. Hi, stef. Thank you, willie. 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