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In washington, d. C. , Senate Majority leader Mitch Mcconnell. Nen theres his war of word with the democrats and. What a day yesterday. Good morning. It friday, august 11th. Mika has the morning off. With us we have vet van columnist, mike barnicle, woor still trying to find a title for him. Send is in with two proof of purchase jeremy peters. John, you were on the air yesterday when these press avails happened. They were really bizarre in many ways. Yes, were all focusing on this new cold war between us and north korea and like austin powers, theres only two things that care me, of course Nuclear Power and the other carney. I think this the long run, this war that thhes raised with mit mcconnell, Mitch Mcconnell runs capitol hill. And it just ongoing to anybody who knows how the big ban works. This is a little improvised. Comparing the administration right now. But on the no republican president would wage war on the majority leader of the United States senate. At the same time hes waging war on Mitch Mcconnell. He getting involved trying to beat jeff flake in arizona. He getting involved directly or incorrectly, trying to defeat dean heller in nevada. Of course he doesnt understand that all blows up in your face. But i wonder if frjs. It does raise an important question, right . It sounds romantic and brash and iconoclastic to say im not a member of the independent party. But you need to get some votes somewhere. And donald trump is definitely getting the democratic vote. If hes going to alienate the republicans and republicans saying i have in parksbrnl what are going out on twitter, attacking paul ryan with haurkt fire. Drpt and the two most important places on capitol hill hill. You have the sentiment right when you say this is trump being more independent. There is no pure embodiment of the washington machine, washington establishment that he ran against than Mitch Mcconnell and paul ryan. And if you talk to the white house, some people inside the white house see a very dicey september coming up. Youre going to have debts over the debt ceiling, and theres concern that could somehow sign a resolution that does not contain finding with the wall, which is already dicey. In a has not gone well for him on the right. Also mike barnicle, you look at the support among republicans and among his base, it seems to be relining. I want to look the yesterdays press avails from 30,000 feet and not just look i know everybodys looking about north korea right now. Im telling people what he does know what to do if hes vlg the longest impact but he did sam soy extraordinary i recall frightening things. Pee did see some strange things about paul mann forp. Its a good thing. You saw the president of the United States literally trying to goad an unstable machine no do willing is completely game. The president of the United States clearly does not understand the concept of legislating in b. C. , you do need some friend to help you, l its mish mcconnell, paul ryan, whoever it is. We saw the president alienate huge parts of his father, if he does have an party. You saw the levelness of urn porched in history. That said, something that the person said, that the leader of north korea said. So this is schoolyard stuff from the president of the United States. Now, there may have been an ulterior motive, maybe within the context, reading between the lines he said certainly that was suggested by his National Security adviser or the a second. We dont know that. We dont know how its going to play out. But yesterday was truly beyond bizarre. Now for a light touch, lets go to donnie deutsche. What did you think about yesterday . It was a very interesting thing. The clip you guys were just running of trump. This is the First Time Since hes come on the political scene that ive seen his arms like this. Its just interesting how you really feel that he is almost afraid, that the more he bluserbluser blusters, the more you feel his pathos, his neuroses. I obviously agree the north korea is the most frightening thing from an existential point of view but waging war on Mitch Mcconnell shows a complete, complete ignorance on how to govern. When you are campaigning, you go after any politician. That was very successful for him when he ran to office. Anybody who has anything to do with washington sucks and im great and im going to clean out the swamp. That doesnt work in the real world. As i always said to my office in washington and said we need to go after so and so, i said one war at a time. We only fight onefront wars here. Dont tell me we need to start a war somewhere else unless weve won the first one peacefully. You do not want to be fight it would go front wars, let alone the 10 or 20 that donald trump is fighting right now. Weve talked about all these topics, but the one we havent yet, the one that probably is making donald trump by drawn up like that and off balanced and nervous and if donnies right, frightened, is bob mueller. Bob mueller is moving forward while donald trump golfs for 17 days straight. Bob mueller is not golfing. Bob mueller is working. Hes getting to the bottom of the facts, he getting to the truth and hes going to apply the law to the truth and that may be something that has donald trump very nervous as he goes out and golfs every day, even while he tells people he does not. Yesterday he was attacking Mitch Mcconnell telling mitch to get back to work when of course he was on a 17day vacation where he occasionally get a little work in. This is what he said about Mitch Mcconnell yesterday. I just want him to get repeal and replace done. Ive been hearing repeal and replace for seven years but ive own been doing this for two years but ive really own been do this but ive been iraning and then i get there and i said wheres the bill, i want to sign it first day and they dont have it. They passed repeal and replace but they never had a president , frankly or a senate that was going to do it. I said, mitch, get to work and lets get it done. They should have had this last one done. They lost by one vote. For a thing like that to happen is a disgrace and it shouldnt have happened. Reporter some conservatives say its time for him to retire. Ill tell you what, if he doesnt get repeal and replace down and doesnt get taxes done, meaning cuts and reform and if he doesnt get an easy within to get done, infrastructure, if he doesnt get that done, then you can ask me that question. Its unbelievable. Hes blaming the republicans for not passing a Health Care Bill when he was getting in the house, saying no kasie hunt changed his position three or four times. My gosh must be steamed right now at donald trump. Whats the reaction . Mitch mcconnell and donald trump smoke not yesterday but the day before. In between these tweet and before donald trump made all those remarks. I think that tells you a lot about how that phone call went. The sense among Mitch Mcconnells cramp is that the president does not understand how things get done in washington, that this is counterproduct of, he should they only needed those 50 votes this they wouldnt get 50 republicans and health care. Youre right, hes changed his position back and forth. He was never clear, this is what i want the policy to be. He had things saying have your theres a feeling among mcconnells team that he need Mitch Mcconnell and other republicans if hes ever going to pull off the things that voters ultimately are going to judge him for. Is he actually able to get anything done . I think thats the feeling on capitol hill. There have also been some call being layingses that republican have made on capitol hill. I do think there are some democrats who are going to be peacekeeper, thankly republicans are in a tougher position going into 2018, the senate. You mentioned jeff flake and heller at the end of the show, if the president goes after those people, hes going to lose Mitch Mcconnell. Hes already started doing that, elease jordan. If bob thats donald trump going in had certain senator denied if a thoin you know, its something that to this day if i were in congress and the guy asked me for something, id smile and say let me get back to you. They dont understand. And, by the way, if they did it to my friend, as you know, it would be worse. Members come together. And so for donald trump to be clumsy enough to, first of all, attack Mitch Mcconnell and then to threaten Lisa Murkowski because when you threaten a member, especially a senator, you just told them they have to fight back and she did. Now to do this to heller and jeff flake, he doesnt even have 49 votes now. I mean, good luck. I man getting 46, 47. It seems, elease, every day hes making his job harder. El, hes just had this attitude of being a wrecking ball, coming in through washington and, you know, nothing is going to be left standing in wake of this and he wants to have any hope of having any legislative success, hes setting himself up for disaster. Its delusional the idea that he can forge some agreement with democrats. Its astonishing to me the lack of political leverage this white house exhibits on a gamebasis. Hey, listen, were going to keep insulting . Is there any gam plan eight all . I dont think on the. I was almost giving up on the possibility of getting a lot done. This is purely political strategy. No one issing issing this, police italy but i think theres already an eye toward what does trum need to do and whats going to as a man who is a party, that is what was appealing for him in 2016 and what President Trump thinks is the enduring source of his appeal. If you had this very narrow view and only taking your race 2016. And 2016 is not the only thing that should good but what hes actually accomplished own the course of his first time. Hes goes to frngs on election day or 38 . Its2, 33, 34 now. Hes got things flishd o mmm dib mats are reacting and, no, theyre not happy. Plus the latest on paul mann for the. And donald trump throws himnd the but. Bus. Well be right back. And live tv. The channels you love. Your favorite shows and movies. Makingour iphone into more of a. Oh my tv is ringing. Hey. Im in the middle of a. 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One that keeps you connected to what matters most. A new report telling the pressure on former Trump Campaign manager Paul Manafort. Bloomberg reports. Bloomberg citing a Single Source says mueller has reportedly also reached out to Business Associates including manaforts soninlaw and a ukrainian oligarch, kaurcharacterized as information that could be used to squeeze manafort. Reports say though he is not a cooperating witness, he has been helping. He alerted authorities to the june 9th 2016 meeting involving don jr. And other campaign representatives. And may 22nd, it was reported he turned over documents in response to a Senate Committee request and yahoo lawyers this is what he said. Reporter mr. President , was it appropriate for the fbi to raid the home of Paul Manafort predawn i thought it was a very, very strong signal or whatever. I know mr. Manafort, i havent spoken to him in a long time but i do know him. He was with the campaign for a short period. Have you spoken to the fbi director about it . No, i have not. Have i have not. But to do that early in the morning, whether it was appropriate, youd have to ask them. Ive always found him to be a decent man. Hes like a lot of other people, probably makes consultant fees all over the place, who knows. I thought that was pretty tough stuff. Who . This guy, i knew him for you know, i think i was walking down fifth avenue last summer and i think i was running for r president and i walked by him. Acting like he doesnt know him and what should be most concerning to Paul Manafort is that hes on the cover of the national enkiquirerenquirer t. People thought i was joking when abrought it up the first time but Michael Flynn was called a russian spy, i think, on the cover of the National Enquirer three days before. And i have to straight. These are incredible things unfolding here. Hell say thins never met him, hardly know him, thats what hes doing to manafort now. It seems strange the way hes treating Mitch Mcconnell because whats happening on the other side here is that bob mule are and his team are starting to turn the screws to whom trump is so trump throwing manafort under the bus may not be in his longterm interest. Mark, theres a lot to talk about here but one of the things that joe did not mention that seems really consequential is that now we he was raided by the fbi. Rafrd is come plbs financial crimes. Do you think is going on in tr it were whos going after you, which agency, which individual and the fact that hes been stacking his team with lawyer like frommin ron, and that is incredibly key. This may urn but there are so many issue with respect to financial matters where this can come up and man fort is probably one of the post blow the trumps lawyer wrote this is a fatal law in the process and would call for a motion to suppress the fruits of the search. Fbi agents received privileged and kwout racial with his ser, from. In addition, given the obvious unlawful deficiencies, this extraordinary, invasive tool is employed for its shock value to pi to did frshlg. Mark, john dew prng is this not kind of odd that someone elses lawyer is speaking on dehalf of look at whos been brought in, dye cop, kroufs brought into these cases to do who have had their noz radded who worked at the cia and airs force intelligence. It not that uncommon and it happens. And we were kwop raeting prng sfwlrchl and it doesnt have to be from the individual or his lawyers and her do it, theyre true be and and theyre most run valuable on documents and anything with the witness prpgs may be off be insurance nrnl wheres it going to need from a financial standpoint . Mark, have really been watching mike flynn and Paul Manafort for any signs of pee sngs if. I tell you have i had client cooperate with congressional leaders and the government. We had made sure to innrng and at some point in time its going to become every man and every woman for themselves and theyre going to to figure out who is most vulnerable to protect themselves. When you go back to section a, north korea. Based on mo if bob mueller will eventually get to his financial record, that this is all about money, he knows it. It started as whitewater started. The blue dress is going to be Donald Trumps finances. Its one thing to volley with Mitch Mcconnell and jeff flake but to vow with south korea when you feel every exposed, maybe if im so president ial here, they wont look over here except its obviously game of human lives hes playing with each. So thaet, it very interesting. Hes been restrained throughout the entire process. His suggest millioner been playing between the lienson ive youll actual will opinion heart fobd impressive things about was that statement for mann for the for it for the judge, however the way be twrrks it could be a little bit of efficiency, of course. When we do things like that, were trying to stend am prng theres some major story every day and were definitely more in the beginnings of this rather than towards even the middle, much less the end. Right. So jong theres in metal necessaricy to judge. We only nrnl flip, people have now gone outside of the inner circle. Thats certainly the case. I presume if it were me i would be doing it, doing joan defense agreements with each of these parties so i presume that john toud and the others are talking to lawyer to. What could be be, if snrnl. But youre telling us based on your experience there wasnt anything shocking or unusual about the raid on mann fore. Its a matter of course in some cas cases. Oh, absolutely. It happens, ecant tell you the frequency the one this f it was a front post Washington Post story. We were cooperating with the fbi fully in providing them information. Then all of a sudden nfrmt no criminal charges have ever occurred. The fact that ieb nshlt especially with a dogs and the babbing and stuff but it doesnt mean it going to go anywhere. F nfrmt what was the perfect of the raid to your client . Were they trying to send a message to your client or were ethis just trying to ensure your client was being truthful . I assume they were trying to look for records and they found absolutely nothing. In another case they were looking for classified materials the cloont was writing a book about his life in iraq. So it is done and it is sometimes done even when you think youre being fully cooperative. I was surprised the president i guess im not surprise, with anything that the president does. He should have as any normal and reasonable president would have said let the lawyers comment on that obviously, he cant help himself. Cant help himself. There. Mark vain. A and, well hear from his column ahead on morning joe. Do you realize im. Im so in love with you. Whatever you want to do. Is alright with me. Ooo baby lets. Lets stay together. My advice for looking get your beauty sleep. And use aveeno® absolutely ageless® night cream with active naturals® blackberry complex. Younger looking skin can start today. Absolutely ageless® from aveeno®. Except when it comes to retirement. At fidelity, you get a retirement score in just 60 seconds. And well help you make decisions for your plan. To keep you on track. Its your retirement. Know where you stand. To keep you on track. Going somewhere . Whoooo. Heres some advice. Tripadvisor now searches more. Than 200 booking sites to find the hotel you want and save you up to 30 . Trust this birds words. Tripadvisor. Frankly the people who were questioning that statement was it too tough, maybe it wasnt tough enough. Theyve been doing this to our country for a long time, many years. Its about time that somebody stuck up for this country and and for the people of other countries. Maybe that statement wasnt tough enough. Were backed 100 by our military and were backed by many other leaders. I noticed many senators and others today came out very much in favor of what i said. If anything, that statement may not be tough enough. Reporter what would be tougher and fire and fury . Youll see. Actualsu actually. And ill tell you this, north korea better get its act together or theyre going to be in trouble like no one has ever been in trouble. Wow. Mike barnicle, one day he threatens Nuclear Annihilation of next and the next day he goes, actually, that threat want tough enough. You understand why David Ignatius said its the art of the deal meets dr. Strange dlot love. The Washington Post said President Trump has decided to confront what is probably the most reckless, risktaking regime on the planet. His hope for a diplomatic solution defends on convincing north korea and china that hes ready for the fire and fury of nuclear war should negotiations fail. The United States cant go it alone in war or peace. The danger is trumps rhetoric could destabilize partners more than adversaries. The danger is that trumps rhetoric warned north korea of things they never thought possible. Incredibly danger. This is not happening in a vacuum with north korea. President trump has upped the games in iraq, in syria. Hes nearly doubled the amount of bombs that weve dropped and some independent monitors are saying civilian casualties are up by ten times the amounts they were in previous administrations. Weve become detached from a policy that is so over. Well, theres this undeniable chaotic aspect thats going on, everything coming out of trumps mouth and the youre youre getting the of the state, the white house. The first i think is less likely to succeed and a lotteries being year. That is to try to dau but second point which is o a little likely to let seed er i have great refr resolution in. We saw Lindsey Graham talking to on nobody north korea. Theyre the ones that take all of their exports. Theyre the ones that have been sitting by quietly as this crisis has gotten more and more significant. So where are the republicans on capitol hill with trump here . Are they at the end of the day going to line up behind him on this, outside of, of course, john mccain. Joe, i think theres a will the of deference with republicans and democrats. This is a aggressive and a situation that union foo evening Chuck Schumers initial statement said, look, we have to be deliberate and strng i think now there is a significant level of fear, quite frankly, coming from both weve talked about this over and over again, the weather, the republicans this is the crisis that has most threatened to set the entire ship potentially sinking. They may not say it publicly but there as a lot of fear ind the Obama Administration kicked the can down the road. Its fascinating, you have republicans and democrats alike from the bush administration, the Clinton Administration and the Obama Administration all saying quietly behind the scenes, yeah, we could have done a better job on that and the. Donald trump may be able to deliver a Nuclear Weapon to seattle, portland, San Francisco and all points in between. P pshdecisions are ahead. And one of the tough decisions in the immediate future right now is if north korea decide to have a missile test any time within the next week. Defense are going too say that could be nuclear requested thats the words problem. Just very quickly. Eye nobodys been more critical than trump. I dont have a huge problem with it, it parkand i actually think that rhetoric was kind of needed at this point because nobodys been more critical of this poin. I and a lot of people i talk to, and this is not going to do well for me in the hamptons, saying maybe that needed to be said. I have to say, of course, i never go to places like the hamptons. Im a man of the people right now in Middle America, but i have been shocked in Middle America hearing people saying the same thing. Behind the scenes. Yes, theyre frightened by the rhetor rhetoric, but at the same time they say you know what, though . What the hell did bill clinton, george bush, and barack obama do . We havent been standing up to the chinese for 30 years. But quickly, this is just thousand Snowball Effect starts. Wars are easy to get into, and it gets nasty really quickly. Thats why we should be having a debate about what it means if we have military strikes against north korea. Well, this would be the nastiest of debates. People are saying we rolled over iraq in a couple of weeks. North korea is not iraq. It would be extraordinarily ugly. Not only for american troops and North Koreans but south koreans, possibly japan. This would be as ugly as it gets. Well talk more about that. Also still ahead, the president shocks members of his administration once again with another freewilling response to a serious Foreign Policy matter. This time he actually thanks Vladimir Putin for expelling u. S. Diplomats. Well dig into that straight ahead. Whoooo. Finding the best hotel price is now a safe bet. Because tripadvisor searches. Over 200 booking sites so you save up to 30 on the. 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As far as im concerned, im thankful that he let go of a large nur number of people because now we have a smaller payroll. Well save a lot of money. Coming up, instead of criticizing Vladimir Putin for cutting u. S. Embassy staff, President Trump offers up his thanks. He may have been doing it just to take a swipe at putin. If thats the case, it wasnt appreciated by a lot of top diplomats. Plus donald trump is vacationing at his new jersey golf resort, but while hes golfing and tweeting, he actually takes time tweeting while hes golfing to tell Mitch Mcconnell to get back to work. Will the president spend a Third Straight day publicly fighting his most important ally on capitol hill . Its still early. We shall see and morning joe will be coming right back. Alzheimers disease the fi is out there. 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Looking for a hotel that fits. Whoooo. Your budget . Tripadvisor now searches over. 200 sites to find you the. Hotel you want at the lowest price. Grazi, gino find a price that fits. Tripadvisor. Hey. Hi. Hi. You guys going to the Company Picnic this weekend . Picnics are delightful. Oh, wish we could. But were stuck here catching up on claims. But we just compared historical claims to coverages. But we have those new audits. My natural language api can help us score those by noon. Great. See you guys there. We would not miss it. Watson, you gotta learn how to take a hint. I love to learn. I just want them to get repeal and replace tone. Ive been hearing repeal and replace for years and ive only been doing for this six months. Now its almost two years, and all i hear is repeal and replace. And then i get there and i said wheres the bill . I want to sign it. First day. And they dont have it. They passed repeal and replace but never had a president or senate that was going to do it. I said mitch, get to work and lets get it done. They should have had this last one done. They lost by one vote for a thing like that to happen is a disgrace, and frankly, it shouldnt have happened. Should senator mcconnell consider stepping down . Well, ill tell you what. If he doesnt get repeal and replace done and if he doesnt get taxes done, meaning cuts and reform, and if he doesnt get a very easy one to get done, infrastructure, if he doesnt get them done, then you can ask me that question. You know, its interesting. Donald trump is the first president from new york state since a guy named fdr. I was just sitting there listening to him thinking what in the world if fdr were alive and could hear a president whining like that . Acting as if he had absolutely no power with the entire executive branch at his fingertips. Acting like he was incapable of drafting legislation himself. Fdr, what he did in the first 100 days with legislation drafted in the first 100 days actually changed this country and changed the world. He didnt sit around waiting for the Senate Majority leader or the speaker of the house to draft his legislation for him. He did it himself. And for donald trump to sit there and act helpless at his golf club, like hes some little kid waiting for somebody to hold his hand and walk him safely across the street would absolutely make fdr shutter. Anyway, welcome back to morning joe. By the way, kids, there are no rules against president s who have been running for office for two years actually having an idea in their head about how they would like a Health Care System to look. Donald trump never really got into the details. He told us hed never cut medicaid or medicare, but he never really told us what his Health Care Plan would be like. He said maybe like the canadian Health Care Plan at the beginning. But outside of that, hes right. He has been running for two years and he still has no idea how to Reform Health care in the United States of america. Anyway, were going to be talking about this and a lot of other things that happened at those pressers yesterday that were just disquieting for many people. We have mike barnicle, john hylman, kasie hunt, alise jordan, jeremy peters, and joining the conversation euGene Robinson. John, i wanted to get to you and talk about the bizarre Vladimir Putin comments in a minute. First, can you imagine a president , any president sitting there acting helpless saying i cant do anything by myself. Help, ive fallen and i cant get up. I cant draft legislation despite the fact that ive got the entire executive branch at my disposal, and people that would be flooding in to my office 24 hours a day to help me Draft Health Care legislation. Well, right, and of course, he has the entire executive branch, and hes got allies to the extent that hes a republican for convenience purposes. He has sensible allies in the senate and the house. All of whom who have made common cause because they share the same policy objectives. He has everything at his dispos disposal, and yet the fact that things have not gone his way has put him in a mode of kind of helpless, impotent, kind of whining about his fate. The whoa is me presidency, we talked a lot about trumps political connection to the grievances of a lot of disenfranchised voters. As the head of the government and the commander in chief to hear him in a constant state of whine about how he just cant people arent helping him enough, doing his bidding, it makes him look terribly weak domestically. I know you want to talk about putin in a second, but the things he said about putin make him look incredibly weak on the foreign stage. And its like he has a hammer in his hand, and he keeps banging his hand. Doing one thing after another, and then he holds up az hand and goes why does my hand hurt so much . Like on health care. He has done Everything Possible to lose one Health Care Vote after another. Pressuring republicans, having steve bannon, my god, what a stupid thing to do. Having steve bannon going up insulting house members, threatening house members. They finally pass legislation. He then calls that legislation mean. Then it goes to the senate. He keeps insulting the mean house legislation. Then he insults Lisa Murkowski. Then he insults other members. Then he is shocked at the very end that a man who gave his life in service of this country in vietnam and came back physically broken wonders why that guy is not willing to put his political neck on the line after a couple of years ago he said that he wasnt even a war hero because he got captured. Donald trump is his own worst political enemy. If you want to go from domestic to Foreign Policy, donald trump obviously has been acting like his own worst enemy on Foreign Policy. And when he started talking about Vladimir Putin and russia, it was just another example of how he really is now other than picking a fight with a majority leader, picking a fight with a state department and diplomats who should be doing his bidding right now in the negotiations with the North Koreans. Take a look at what he said yesterday about Vladimir Putin. Do you have any response to the russian president telling 755 workers out of the embassy . No. I want to thank him. Were trying to cut down on payroll, as far as im concerned, im very thankful that he let go of a large number of people, because now we have a smaller payroll. Well save a lot of money. It is an extraordinary thing to say. Think about this. First of all, just on the facts. Vladimir putin is not like the truth operating officer of some company where hes now let go some American Workers here. Thats the way trump phrased it. As if putin reduced the work force of the u. S. Federal government. None of these people have been let go. They were kicked out of russia as a response to the sanctions that were passed and signed reluctantly by President Trump. Theres that. Its out to lunch. Then secondly, its maybe the most flagrant demonstration of the fact that donald trump cannot under any circumstance kind it in his heart or head to say anything critical of Vladimir Putin. In this case, there is not a president in the history of the country who would not have sternly reprimanded or attacked Vladimir Putin or another russian president for, peling 755 american diplomats from moscow. Not a single one, and yet donald trump was at war with everybody else in the world from Mitch Mcconnell to the democrats and the press to bob mueller. The one person hes not at war with, apparently is Vladimir Putin, and hes saying, hey, thank you for doing this thing thats averse to american interest. Thank you very much. Joe, yesterday in that 20minute long tour deforce with a tsunami of information on various topics, afghanistan, Paul Manafort, Vladimir Putin, state department, north korea, its a theme that he has perfected. Its not the art of the deal. Its the president of the United States outlining the art of victimization, and he is always the victim. Hes always the victim in everything that occurs thats negative about his presidency, everything that cant get done. Everything that he doesnt participate in in the way a president ought to participate in like a health care legislation. Its victimization. Its whoa is me. Why did they do this to sne. Can i flip the conversation a second . Would we be responding differently if u. S. Soldiers had been expelled from a country . I dont think were giving the diplomats that trump is disregarding their security, their families, what they go through to serve in a hardship post like moscow and other places in russia where theyre monitored and surveilled. He doesnt care at all about protecting his people and about the people who put their lives on the line for the american interest. Donny deutsche, we both have known donald trump for some time. Somebody noted yesterday, and i know youve seen it firsthand, that donald trump at some point in his life has insulted everybody around him in the harshest of terms, including his own children. The only person that any of us that have followed him for some time, the only person that i certainly can think of that he has never insulted, that he has never attacked is Vladimir Putin. Which, again, raises the question, and i will ask the question again on tv. What does Vladimir Putin have on donald trump . Because whatever it is, it must be extraordinary. Joe, im a businessman. I will tell you with certain certainty you are . I used to be until i until the was shamed . What diz wbuzz was that . Seriously. He owns him somewhere along the access, at the very least. Im going to say this with 100 certainty. All kinds of business shenaniga shenanigans, inappropriate money launders, whatever you name it, money coming to the enterprise all the way to tapes. He owns them. Theres no other explanation. If you look at trumps. O. , he would be the guy that would stick his chest out at the toughest guy to seem tough. Even going to passing the buck. Hes the opposite of a leader. Every great leader ive come in contact with, they say its my responsibility. I used to hate, we used to lose a piece of business, id say i fail youd guys. Well get it right. Thats what leaders do. Its the opposite of leadership. It is also, mike, the opposite of what we try to teach our children. It is the opposite of what they teach in the armed forces. There is a reason why the highest ranking marines at the end of the day feed the privates first. Theres a reason we tell our children that when they come home from a sporting event to not complain, to not whine, to not blame somebody else. I always told my kids when they complained about losing a game because of a ref or a decision from a ref or an umpire, i always said listen, if its so close that one call could make a difference, then obviously you have to work harder so the next time one call cant make the difference. Stop blaming other people and look at yourself. Thats what we teach our children. Thats what character is built on. Looking inward when there are failures and figures out what did i do wrong . How could i do better next time . How can i help people more . That instinct just isnt in this president. Yeah. Well, that instinct is not within the binders of the art of victimization that the president lives seemingly every day. Donny continuing with the inside hour, were going to talk about Gene Robinson writing in the Washington Post that someone needs to distract trump with a shi shiny object. We can only hope the mature adults surrounding him are able to cool things down. Trump probably thought it was clever to answer kim jonguns provocations with his own language threatening fire and fury like the world has never seen. Dealing with this crisis will require patience and realism, both of which trump lacks. There is no quick solution. If there were president s bill clinton, george w. Bush or barack obama would be implemented it. We need to be patient and realistic. Someone please distract the president with a shiny object for the next few years. One of the things you continually hear when you talk to people in washington, the one thing that concerns them most above all else is the erratic behavior of the president of the United States. Something they have no gauge for. Cant control, and cant predict. Right. The erratic nature of a man who now is commander in chief of the greatest military force the world has ever seen. And who is engaging in this sort of ridiculous chest thumping against kim jongun, the crazy north Korean Leader who happens to have Nuclear Weapons of his own. I mean, this is serious business. Normally you would say this is rhetoric. This is its going to be okay. But you dont know. You dont know if this is going to be okay. Because the potential for miscalculation is huge. And, again, you have to this a situation in which if youre going to play nuclear breaksmanship. Choose your words carefully. Donald trump doesnt do that. All the stuff about fire and fury, and yeah, i think he must have thought, lets try something different, try giving him his own rhetoric. In a sense hes given kim jongun what he wanted which is direct dialogue with the United States that elevates kim to being a great world leader which is how he fancies himself. But it doesnt do anything to solve this really critical problem. Gene, you talked about the mature adults in the room who could potentially talk to the president. One thing that stuck out to me yesterday in that 20minute News Conference was that the president referenced the defense departments jim mattiss statement about north korea and said jim mattis may have gone farther than he did, and mats did talk about potential regime change in north korea, which as we know, would potentially involve all of the things were talking about. If trump is listening to those mature adults, hes picked a lot of generals to run the country. Thats your sense of how the Decision Making will change, then . My sense is that what the generals and we got a bunch of them now, have been saying and what Rex Tillerson has been saying are really sort of variations of what the u. S. Position has been all along. And mattis talked about regime change in the context of what north korea might do to provoke the United States into that sort of action. That is a red line for the north korean regime. That is a red line also for china. Which has made it clear as recently as this morning in an editorial in a sort of semi official chinese newspaper in which it said look, north korea, you do something toward guam or whatever, youre on your own. But if the United States were to invade or to take action for regime change, then china could back north korea. You know, when you get dhchina making statements like that, this is a serious situation, and we have a deeply unserious man serving as commander in chief. That should worry all of us. EuGene Robinson, thank you so much. Still ahead on morning joe, the president says he was shocked by the raid on his former Campaign Chair Paul Manaforts home, but by the way, he barely knew the guy. Plus a top aide to the president says dont Pay Attention to what the secretary of state says when it comes to the military. But then he blames the press for fake news. By the way, one thing these people in the white house dont understand. The tape is always rolling. Weve got you on camera saying it. Youre watching morning joe. Well be right back. If youre told you have cancer, explore your Treatment Options with specialists who treat only cancer. Every stage. Every day. At Cancer Treatment centers of america. Learn more at cancercenter. Com experts youre searching for something. Whoooo. Like the perfect deal. On the perfect hotel. So wouldnt it be perfect if. There was a single site. Where you could find the. Right hotel for you at the best price . There is. Because tripadvisor now compares. Prices from over 200 booking. Sites. To save you up to 30 . On the hotel you want. Trust this birds words. Tripadvisor. The latest reviews. The lowest prices. 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When i hear my name three times, i appear like a beetle juice. You know how you miss me. Im like human cocaine. You got a bump of me. I made you feel excited but i was out of your system too quick, but now that im gone youre depressed and edgy and youre trying to figure out how to score some more scaramucci. We did hope youd stick around a little longer. Me too, but the mooch has no regrets. All i did was sell my country, miss the birth of my child and ruin my reputation all to be king of idiot mountain for 11 days. Okay. Well, the mooch being played on snl also going to be on colbert. Thats going to be fascinating. We have Peter Alexander in new jersey, and not on a golfing and tweet get away but actually covering the man who is golfing and tweeting. I understand we have a few tweets this morning. Thats right. The president appears gets a briefing from fox and friends. Already retweeting three stories from fox and friends. He was happy with his performance yesterday. Two focussed on his comments about Mitch Mcconnell, on one tweeting how trump fires new warning shot at mcconnell basically leaving open the door whether or not he should step down. What was striking to me yesterday here is after that News Conference wrapped up i got a note from one of the president s top aides who said it was great. They clearly felt good about the president. He was obviously a little bit restless after almost a week of this working vacation to get out in front of the cameras and address the news. Most notably, north korea, but also the exchange thats going to affect his ability to deal when he gets back to washington, those critical comments again about Mitch Mcconnell saying of the Senate Republicans failure to repeal and replace obama care, that it was disgraceful, saying that he was very disappointed in mcconnell, even as he praised mcconnells wife. She would be a fun person to talk to right about now. This followed mcconnells comments a couple days ago at home saying he believed this president had excessive expectations about the way things get done in the democratic process going forward. And it followed just a couple days earlier on the golf course a conversation the president had. It got to be tense at times with mcconnell as those two men get ready to see each other again when the recess ends. It underscores this is a president trying again to really play to the core supporters who believe hes best when he is untethered from one party. Theyre the ones who embrace the drain the swamp mentality. Those are the folks he believed theyre with him before anybody else. All right. Peter, thank you. We greatly appreciate it. We appreciate the update. Mike barnicle, i want to throw it around the table. Fox news when they came on to the scene in 1996, roger ailes and rue pert murdoch had a winning formula. That was conservatives against the world. Conservatives werent getting their voices heard on mainstream networks, so they could go to fox news. And it was a uniting it was really a network that united the entire conservative moment and for the most part the Republican Party. Donald trump changed that formula. And we saw some real splits down the middle there. What i find fascinating about what Donald Trumps retweeting on fox and friends and the makeup of fox now is that this has ceased to be a network that follows conservatism or follows the Republican Party. It seems now to be oh subsidiary of trunk inc. Im fascinating by the media and always have been, but theyve gone all in on donald trump to such a degree that theyre being critical of jeff flake and other republicans for not being loyal to donald trump. Its not about being loyal to conservatives. In the past you would have debates about whats conservatism and the most conservative way to go, but it doesnt seem to be that way anymore. It seems to be more of a channel thats in defense of donald trump. Youre either on Donald Trumps side, or you are you are against what fox newsstands for. Yeah. Joe, i mean, 20 years is a snap of a finger in terms of history. But the accelerant of the last three or four years has changed both the nature of conservatism, i think in this country, the definition of conservatism and many of the principals of conservatism. And now it seems that conservatism is defined, actually, by the presence and the voice and the thoughts if there are some, of donald trump. Or of grievance. And nobody understood that better than roger ailes and donald trump. The problem is when roger ailes formed fox news, there wasnt this massive conservative media complex. And they were much more united around the sense that they were on the outside and had to get on the inside in order to blow up this media accomplishment that was oppressing their thoughts. And their beliefs. Now, donald trump may speak for some conservatives, but he isnt a unifying a movement or the party. How far he can ride it to reelection, i dont know. Listen, donald trump is not conservative in the least, and john hylman, you see it in the twitter feed, in your twitter feed every day. That conservative thought leaders that have always been conservative thought leaders now actually more than ever are rising up and pointing out day in and day out how donald trump is not a conservative. So there isnt really a changing face of conservatism. If you see what jonah gold berg says or david frercnch or rich lowry, or you see what bill crystal says. You can go down the list. Charles drought hammer. You look at what they say, they still are sounding, thinking, writing conservative. And there is a growing divide. Of course, john padoritz, all the people we have in and are tweeting, theres a growing divide between conservatism and donald trump. Many of these people didnt like him from the very beginning but decided to give him a chance. Again, fox news, i only bring up fox news. Im not knocking them. Im not. Its just fascinating how donald trump has not only broken up the Republican Party, broken it in two or three pieces. Hes done the same to fox news, and testifies doing it in realtime when he and roger ailes would be having fights. I saw a tweet yesterday two years old. It was donald trump attacking fox news for being so negative toward him. Right. Well, i think youre pointing to an important thing. When trump decided to run for president , he did something that no other republican candidates in our recent hft have been willing to do. Basically to say im not going to be beholden to fox news. Im going to play to the breitbart wing of the conservative media, if you want to call it conservative. He was appealing to a different sphere. Theres a whole range of people out in america who vote republican, who consider themselves conservative even if conservatives dont see them that way in a traditional sense. They look at fox news as part of establishment media, and they have gravitated toward breitbart and other sites on the altright and made those play power houses. With those media outlets, he came the breitbart candidate. He got himself nominated and eventually elected president without kowtowing to fox trump. I think fox news realizes its disassociated from what makes up the current republican base. The people at fox news are scrambling to try to get themselves back in the good graces of where the energy is in the Republican Party even if those people are not traditional conservatives. Yeah. It is absolutely fascinating whats happening there. And whats happening in the entire media landscape. And youre right. Donald trump, the first republican candidate at least since fox news began in 96 to take on that network head on, and we saw it time and time again. And it changed the dynamics of what fox news was, and how fox news had been the Unifying Force for all republicans and all conservatives that were running for office on the National Level over 25 years. Anyway, coming up, were going to take you through the time line of how more scrutiny has been piled on Paul Manafort. From whispers of ukraine connections to ledgers of payments. From Campaign Chairman to an fbi raid, to donald trump saying paul who . Morning joe coming back right after this. Award winning interface. Award winning design. Award winning engine. The volvo xc90. The most awarded luxury suv of the century. This august visit your local volvo dealer to receive sommar savings of up to 4,500. This august visit your local volvo dealer when this guy got a flat tire in the middle of the night, so he got home safe. 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On the 14th the new york types reported that handwritten ledgered indicated he received more than 12 million in undisclosed payments from a prorussian political indicator in ukraine. Three days later manafort denies an a. P. Report that he helped to secretly rout 2 million to lobbying firms. That same day steve bannon was named the chief executive. Two days after that manafort was pushed out of the campaign. Now, jump ahead to april of this year. The a. P. Obtaining financial records that showed two wire transfers to Paul Manaforts firm. This led manafort to register as a Foreign Agent on june 27th disclosing 17 million in payments from ukraine. On july 19th, one week before the raid of his home, just the other day, the New York Times reported that manafort had been no debt to prorussian interests by as much as 7 million. The job for which the times had earlier reported manafort offered to do for no way. Manafort did not address whether the debts might have existed at one time, but he said the cyprus records are steale. Two days later Robert Mueller was investigating manafort for possible money launders and researching his financial records to gain leverage for his cooperation in their probe of russian collusion. One day before the raid, manafort spoke with the Senate Committees after they said manafort would work in good faith. Hours later came the fbi raid. Manaforts apartment in the washington suburbs around 6 00 a. M. His spokesman said he cooperated with it along with other requests. His spokesperson said hes in the process of maintaining formal counsel. Big legal shift for Paul Manafort. And finally yesterday President Trump asked about the Early Morning raid on manaforts apartment. Here he is. Mr. President , was it appropriate for the fbi to raid the home of Paul Manafort predawn . I thought it was a very, very strong signal or whatever. I know mr. Manafort, i havent spoken to him in a long time. I know him. He was with the campaign for a relatively short period of time. I thought it was a very they do that very seldom. So i was surprised to see it. I was very, very surprised to see it. We havent really been involved. Have you spoken to the foik director about it . I have not. But to do that early in the morning, whether or not it was appropriate, youd have to ask them. Ive always found Paul Manafort to be a decent man. Hes like a lot of people, probably makes consultant fees from all over the place. Who knows . I dont know. But i thought that was a pretty tough stuff. Just as a point of fact, Paul Manafort and donald trump have known each other for 30 years and Paul Manafort has an apartment in trump tower. To hear donald trump saying hardly knew him, what the heck is a little strange. Lets bring in law professor from George Washington university, jonathan turly. Talk about where we are now with respect to the thread that relates to Paul Manafort and what jeopardy hes in and how that kind of jeopardy might produce a certain kind of jeopardy for donald trump. Hes clearly the person most at risk at this stage in the investigation. Largely because he has credible criminal allegations against him that are concrete, specific, things like money laundering, failure to register as a Foreign Agent. A possible tax and banking issues. Many of those are not normally prosecuted but that doesnt mean they cannot be prosecuted. Prosecutors tend to look for people they can get leverage through these types of criminal charges, and Paul Manafort may be a target rich environment for them. Jonathan, whats your instinct as a lawyer and observer of this case that bob mueller and the special prosecutors office, they are basically going down the al capone trail on manafort. They could hang him on tax charges. I think clearly they wanted to send a message. I actually think people are a little too thrilled to see a trump associate subject of a known warrant. Ive been a critic of no knock warrants for years. Its troubling. I think it was gratuitous and excessive. There are about 20,000 of these a year that occur. Its not the norm to have a no knock warrant in a white collar case. The Supreme Court has expressed its concern and lower courts. But federal judges have entirely refused to carry out their duty to try to restrict this. What did they think he was going to do . Meet them at the door with a glock or flush his laptop down the toilet . It seemed to me to be rather excessive. You say its gratuitous, but you dont we dont know what mueller, what information mueller had. Thats right. We dont know where hes going. We dont know whether its gratuitous or not in the first case. We had an attorney on early that said that happened to his clients before when the fbi wanted to confirm that they did not have classified materials. What makes it gratuitous in this case . Are you just talking generally about fbi raids of this kind . No, most of us on the criminal defense have had no knock warrants occur with their clients, but in a White Collar Crime setting, no, it is not the norm. No knocks are supposed to be used in dangerous situations. It is certainly true that theyre used now more than they should be. The point is not that the warrant was unlawful or suggested this evidence could somehow be suppressed. I think the warrant is valid. Its likely to be upheld. The point is there was no basis where t excessive to do the no knock to come barging into the house predawn as if hes a physical danger or destroy evidence. But what about the preservation of evidence . What about a laptop . What about a computer, computers throughout the what about external drives . Do you think hes going to start swallowing thumb drives . All they do is knock on the door. If he doesnt open it, they take the door down. This seemed to be a bit gratuitous in showing up at his bedroom door on a no knock. This might be a small point, but many of us on the civil liberty side have been fighting against the rise of no knocks for years. But jonathan, the process of getting a no knock subpoena entails having to go to a judge, a neutral judge, and pointing out to the judge that they are looking for specific items that were not included in the information handout that manafort and his lawyers had provided earlier. Its not as if they get it on a whim. You know this. Its not a grand jury subpoena. Its a no knock warrant that requires extensive proof to a neutral judge, and then the warrant is sealed as to what they were going after. I have no question that they were going after valid evidence. The question is the means of the no knock. Not the search itself. They clearly made out the case that there was evidence there that they thought they would find. But groups for years have been saying judges are blindably signing no knocks when in the past judges would say you dont need to do a no knock. Just do a warrant. Do a search. Knock on the door. If they dont open it, take the door down, but these no knocks have resulted in a great deal of abuse, and whether its Paul Manafort or not, it should concern people. I dont think there was any justification to do a no knock as opposed to a normal warrant. The context is a capitol hill investigation. This came the day after he had gone to the committees with some information, but there was a big Chuck Grassley was angry with now manafort was or wasnt being forthcoming. There was a real sense he was not giving them everything available to him. They subpoenaed him. They said well drop the subpoena if you come this far on our evidence. Thats when the fbi went in and say we clearly need access to this information because youre not giving it up. Were hearing different things. Manaforts attorney aid this information was never demanded by the fbi before the warrant and they were peeved about that. But i think youre right. Clearly it has not been as forthcoming of an exchange of information as it should be. The point of fact is this stuff is going to get released. Theyre going to get everything they want. And so in my view, they should have turned it over earlier. Jonathan, alise here. With all of this news about the raid, the predawn raid on Paul Manaforts home, another block buster story has been forgotten just that last friday the New York Times reported that mike flynn had failed to report about 400,000 that possibly had been funneled through a turkish business but was from the turkish government. How much of a problem is this for mike flynn . I think its a big problem. Flynn and manafort are the obvious targets for the prosecutors. Mueller has brought on prosecutors who are known to flip witnesses. You do it by pressuring them. Any crime they find, they can use as leverage. Thats why theres been a lot of talk about the tactical use of pardons to pardon them and remove the leverage. But stuff like this is very, very serious. When you have a special counsel in the field, these things can be criminalized. It could be weaponized by a special counsel. All right. Thank you so much, jonathan turly, as always. We appreciate you being on. Still ahead over the past weekend, President Trump first referred to the majority leader as senator mitch mcsen tall. Now its just mitch. Is the kentucky man about to earn himself a new nickname like little marco or lying ted . Well be right back with more morning joe. With at t you can get your entertainment right here. Right now, when you get the incredible iphone 7 from at t you can get unlimited data and live tv. The channels you love. Your favorite shows and movies. Making your iphone into more of a. Oh my tv is ringing. Hey. Im in the middle of a. A second iphone from at t . 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He was with a campaign with a very short period of time. If you look at the number of wars he has going on right now. He is threatening north korea with nuclear war. There is a war of words and his ongoing cold war and now it seems like he fired the opening shots in a preventive war against his former Campaign Manager Paul Manafort. What a day yesterday. Good morning. It is friday, august 11th. We have mike barnicle, kasie hunt, donnie with us as well. We are trying to find a title for him. Send it in with two proof of purchase and you too can name our guest titles. Former aid to the george w. Bush white house and New York Times reporter jeremy peters. Lets start with you though. You were on the air when these happened. They were really bizarre in many ways. We are all focusing on the new cold war between us and north korea. Only two things scare me, nuclear war and carnies. This war he is waging, if you know how washington works Mitch Mcconnell runs capitol hill. It is baffling for anyone who knows how washington works. Yeah. There is so much to say about the kind of stream of consciousness. You know, he made news on basically every story. I mean i think the thing that takes people aback is the notion of a republican president at war with the leader of his party in the senate. As the point has been made on 100 occasions it illustrates that donald trump is not in fact a republican. No republican president would wage war on the republican leader of the United States senate. Well and at the same time, yeah. He is waging war on Mitch Mcconnell. He is getting involved directly or indirectly trying to defeat dean in nevada. Of course i was going to say he doesnt understand that that all blows up in your face. Of course he doesnt understand it. I wonder if this is Steve Bannons dream we have heard of that maybe donald trump moves towards being an independent president. Thats the only thing that makes sense here. In a sense it does. It does raise an important question. It sounds kind of attractive and romantic and brash to say im not a member of the Republican Party. Im an independent force. In order to get things done in washington on your legislative agenda you need to get some votes somewhere. He is never going to get a democratic vote. If he will alienate the republicans she essentially saying i have no hope of ever getting anything passed. I cant imagine thats what he wants. You have them with they are declaring war on the two most important people on capitol hill. Right. I think you have the sentiment right when you say this is frufrp moving more towards being the independent can washington establishment he ran against. If you talk to the white house some people see a very dicey september coming up. Youll have fights over the debt celling, over the continuing revolution. There are concerns those legislative fights will not have funding for Donald Trumps wall. The idea that donald trump could some how sign a resolution that does not contain funding for his wall would totally blow up his relationship with the base. I want us to look at yesterday and not just look i know everybody is thinking about north korea right now. Im telling our viewers in the long run what he is doing attacking Mitch Mcconnell and the one guy that knows how to get they thinks done under the worst of circumstances. He did say some extraordinarily frightening things about north korea. He did say unsettling things about some of the other topics. What did he say when we were watching them talk to the press for the first time in a long time. You saw a level of chaos thats been unmatched. You saw a president of the United States literally trying to go into doing something completely crazy that would change our world forever. You saw a president of the United States that doesnt understand the concept of legislating in washington, d. C. That you do need at some level a friend. Some friend to help you. You saw a level of selfabsorption. He indicating he was speaking the way he was speaking because king jo kim jong un said. There may have been an wall tier y ier motive. Now far light touch lets go to donnie. What did you make of yesterday . You know, you opened up on his war. Who has he not declared war on . It was a very interesting thing. The clip you guys were just running of trump, this is the First Time Since he has come on the political scene i have seen his arms like this. It is interesting how you really feel that he is almost afraid. The more you feel his insecuriti insecurities. I also agree with the north korea issue is something that is the most frightening thing. Waging war on Mitch Mcconnell shows complete ignorance and his old way to go back to campaigning. You go after any politician. It doesnt work in the real world. We are seeing that right now. We are seeing that right now. Again, he has picked fights the everybody. As i always said to my office in washington, when they came at me i said one war at a time. We only fight one front wars here and dont even come and tell me to start a wage of war somewhere else unless we resolved the first one peacefully. You cant fight everybody in washington d. C. Because they all fight bachlkt back. The one that the probably making donald trump be drawn up like that and off balanced and nervous is bob mueller. He is moving forward while donald trump golfs for 17 days straight. Bob mueller is working and getting to the bottom of the facts and he will apply the law to the truth. Very interesting, yesterday he was attacking Mitch Mcconnell. This is what he said about Mitch Mcconnell yesterday. I have been hearing repeal and replace for seven years. I have only been doing this for two years and i have only been doing this for six months. Now its almost two years and all i hear is repeal and replace. Then aget thei get there and sa is the bill . I want to say it. They dont have it. They passed repeal and replace but they never had a president or a senate that was going to do it. I said mitch, get to work and lets get it done. They should have had this last one done. They lost by one vote. Far thing like that to happen is a disgrace. It shouldnt have happened. If he doesnt get repeal and replace done and if he doesnt get taxes done meaning cuts and reform and if he doesnt get an easy one to get them done then you can ask me that question. He is unbelievable. He was doing absolutely nothing. Sti still ahead, how are the voters who helped flip it for donald trump feeling about that choice . Well go to the ground right there to find out. First the president reacts to the Early Morning raid on Paul Manafort. Youre watching morning joe. Well be right back. Or, you can take advantage of our best offer ever on an xt5. Dont wait. Our 2017 models will be moving fast. You can drive a car. 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They will be in trouble like few nations have ever been in trouble in this world. Wow. So mike, one day he threatens Nuclear Annihilation of north korea, the likes of which nobody has ever seen before and then he goes well actually that threat wasnt tough enough. You understand why he said this is the art of the deal meeting dr. Strange love. Thats right. The president of the United States saying bring it on again. David said that in dealing with north korea trump needs allies, not bomb baths. His hope far diplomatic collusion depends on convincing north korea and china he is ready should negotiations fail. If hollywood were pitching the story it would be the art of the deal meets dr. Strange love t. United states cant go it alone in korea in either war or piece. The danger is trumps rhetoric could destabilize partners at a moment that requires subtlety trump amped up his once more warning of things they never thought possible. He talks like the promoter of the wwe wrestling match. This is real. This is real but its also reading between the lines and reading the lines themselves, incredibly dangerous. This is not happening just in north korea. You look at how he upped the bombing campaigns in afghanistan where in the First Six Months he has dropped nearly he nearly doubled the amount of bombs we have dropped. Some are saying civilian casualties are up by ten times the amount they were in the previous administrations. This is disturbing. We have become really immune and detached from a Foreign Policy that is so militarized. Right now we should be having more public outcry about what does this idea of preventive war mean. There is this undeniable chaotic aspect to everything thats coming out of trumps mouth. The second point, which i think is more likely to succeed and a bit more rational is that russia and china have to take ownership of this problem as well. Coming up, a time when a little diplomacy could go a long way. S well be back after this. 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Even though he says he is not a cooperating witness he says manafort has been helping. Manafort to the controversial meeting on june 9th, 2016 that involved don jr. And other campaign representatives. The report says manafort disclosed to lawmakers about three months ago in response to a congressional request to the Russian Investigation during the campaign. He also provided more than 300 relevant documents no he no longer has access to emails. He reported that manafort to a Senate Intelligence committee request. Yahoo News Reporters during the third week in june and disclosed it on his security clearance form less than two months ago. So yesterday you had donald trump ask about the Early Morning raid of manaforts apartment and this is what we he said. Was it appropriate for him to raid i thought it was a very very strong signal or whatever. I know he was with the campaign far short period of time. I have always known him to be a good man. I thought it was a very, you know, they do that very seldom. So i was surprised to see it. I was very very surprised to see it. We havent really been involved have you spoken to the fbi director about it . I have not. To do that early in the morning, whether or not it was appropriate you would have to ask him. I have found Paul Manafort a decent man. I thought it was a very tough stuff. So john, this guy, i knew him for you know what, i think i was walking down fifth avenue and i walked past this guy for a second. I mean acting like he doesnt know him and then possibly the most concerning to Paul Manafort is that he is ton cover of the National Inquirer this week. It doesnt usually end well for associates of donald trump. People thought i was joking when i brought it up the first time but Michael Flynn was called a russian spy i think on the cover of National Inquirer three days before donald trump fired him. Now the National Inquirer is going after Paul Manafort like the National Inquirer does with everybody thats on the enemys list of the white house. Yeah. This is incredible. Things are unfolding here. Hell say things, never met him, hardly know him. Thats what he is doing to manafort now. It is strange the way he is treating Mitch Mcconnell. Of all of the people in the world to whom trump is most vulnerable in terms of flipping in this case Paul Manafort are the ones he wants to have them turn against donald trump. So trump kind of throwing him under the bus may not be in his longterm selfinterest. When fire and fury dont seem like they are enough President Trump actually turns occupy tup rhetoric on north korea even more. Well play some of those incredible comments when morning joe continues. Barry, the c. I. A. Needs a guy like you. That sounds made up barry. Based on a true story. Were sending you to columbia. Of the c. I. A. s biggest secret. 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Where my issue is right now, this is a serious moment. I was in an event yesterday. I was talking to a couple that cancelled their trip to hawaii because they are afraid they will get nuked by north korea. This is a moment where the president needs to be very serious to outweigh the issue thats going on with in k incno korea. I would say look, you dont have to lose sleep at night because we can defend ourselves against this. The problem is where we could be in six months or a year. The process or the past in acting like the chinese isnt going to happen. The words i dont take huge issue with, although i wouldnt have used fire and fiery and things like this, instead of going after mcconnell stick to this one message and unite the american people. And we have had three president s, three administrations that have done very little to stop us from where we are right now. This certainly isnt a problem that we can lay at the feet of donald trump. Barack obama famously said this is going to be the big issue youll be worried about the most. At the same time the inflammatory rhetoric is not helpful. Im wondering, what do you say to your constituents when they ask you what the best way for it is in north korea . I say we have to prepare for three things. We have to step up pressure against china. We have to change their calculus that have been a buffer state on their border is more of an anchor than going after north korea, actually putting pressure on them. We have to boost our missile defense. Short and medium range is pretty go good. Third is we have to have a credible mel tear option. It stings to hear it. We know that a military option would lead to a lot of bloodshed. When you a lot of we would put them on and it gets to a point where you almost have to assume they are nuclear. I think strong preparation for those three fronts can make war less likely. We have to remember that it is the doomsday scenario we cant allow to happen. What would the human cost be of a war with north korea . It would be massive. We are more up until the last 25 years have had it and what technology is changing is human tolls. War is something they always have to avoid is compared to what people think going in. Whats more horrific is north korea with a Nuclear Weapon. It is where you could have the North Koreans selling it to other enemies. So the attack in the United States doesnt come to the west coast. Perhaps it comes somewhere else there. North korea is really like a 51st state. It is is also focused on showing the chinese we are serious and a war would massively be against their interest. We are try to go change that calculus. They have millions of troops. They can shut down the border. Say youre not getting one more good through our border. The human tragedy but north korea is a human tragedy. This might compel and take away the Financial Stability to build their weapons. Sit is a human tragedy right now. They could stop them at the border if they chose. Mike, to you. If it goes up tomorrow, this afternoon, monday, whatever the reaction with the United States is going to have to be to do something about it because of a nuclear tip missile. That is the mulultimate danger trip into something by accident that would inevitably would change the world forever. Right. And you have got a genuinely a madman. You an ir rational actor. Donald trump you a some what minimally some what rir rationa. You two volatile characters who are not behaving in the most rational way. If you throw those into a jar what happens if things get out of control . How afraid should we be . I think we should be very afraid. I also think we should look at kim jong uns actions as highly rational. This is what has him to the international stage. He managed to keep his power. He doesnt want to have that strip aid way. Basically it is his safety net for power. It is a great simple math. Its coke and pepsi. We coexist in the world. What is the deal . What is the deal for china . How do you make it worth their while . Is it a new trade agreement . What do you to do to make it worth their while to step in . Thats the only nonmilitary solution, period. What is that deal . You know, the leverage is all with china. Its not north korea. We shouldnt even be negotiating with north korea because this all starts and ends with china. If china wanted to take out kim jong un tomorrow they could. They have people that could wipe out anybody they want. Nobody in china is allowing north korea to act on their own. They are not acting as ir rational actors as it concerns china. China would never allow that to happen. And jeremy peters, again, north korea is almost like the 51st state to china. And for north korea they saw what happened in libya when he gave up his Nuclear Weapons after he did what we told him to do. We then turned around and invaded the country and killed him. Im not so sure that kim jong un and china are ir rational act s actors. They are rational in two senses. They understand the dangers in giving up Nuclear Weapons and how it could delegitimize them as tha state. They have always been about preservation of their regime. In that sense you can sort of the understand, if you squint hard enough, why trump is doing what he is doing in try to go dr trying to draw them in and put their legitimacy as a state. If you dont want us to wipe you off the face of the earth you to come to the table. And the president of the United States used the phrase locked and loaded is not a rational act but thats whats happening coming out of the white house. An aid says that the secretary of state should not be listened to when it comes to military matters, when asked to explain the different messages members of the Trump Administration have made. Deputy assistant to the president to a radio no one should listen to secretary rex tiller son after he saw no likelihood and urged americans to sleep soundly. You should listen to the president. The idea that tillerson is going to discuss military matters is simply nonens kasensicanonsensi. It is to talk about the military options and he has done so unequivocally today. He said woe betide anyone who challenges the United States. Thats his portfolio. That is his mandate. Secretary tillerson is the chief diplomat of the United States. He attempted to clear up comments placing the comments on jous journalists. I never said the secretary of state. Thats fake news 101. There is audio of you. I have the audio. I have the audio as well thank you. I said for reporters to force our chief diplomat, the amazing Rex Tillerson to give details of military options is nonsensical. I was admonishing the journ journalists of the fake news industrial complex. If a journalist doesnt know the difference between te secretary of state and department of defense they should hand in their credentials. Lets bring in josh. Josh, lets start right out of the box with who is this guy . This is sebastian gorka. He fashioned himself as a National Security expert and someone who takes a very tough like on extremism. He is not on the naksal security council. She not actually part of the National Security team. He continue today weigh in over the last several weighs. We have seen a tiff increasingly growing between him and Rex Tillerson. I want to ask you about the state of the state department, if you will, under the Trump Administration. There is no ambassador to south korea. Tillerson focused on cutting a third of the department having essentially not communicated with counterparts or people in the administration and now he has been thrown under the bus. Where is the state department at all in the context of this administration . Those criticisms about whether the state department is firing on all cylinders right now is not a new one. The fact is until now we have been relatively lucky. There havent been major crises where this has really come to a head. Now we are there and youre seeing the fact that we dont have a lot of bandwidth, doing the diplomacy that could avaert military conflict. And to follow up, how we have no ambassador to south korea, who is running point . Do you have any sense of who is really leading the charge when it comes to a nonmilitary option with regards to north korea . Sq he has been very involved. He was in asia last week meeting with a lot of other countries and then we know that ambassa r ambassador un who helped the College Student is the point person for north korea and the administration. He has always been work this pretty hard. All right. Thank you so much. Coming up next, President Trumps polling hovers historic low. Comes up next well hear from people who helped propel him into the white house about the state of the administration so far. Keep it right here on morning joe. You all hear me very frauchb this room when you ask me about u. S. Military assets or plan. I refer you to d. O. D. I think everybody has heard what tillersons comments continue to be on other countries. And it should be paid attention to . I think so as well. He carries a bik big stick. A big stick. Right. But you want to fix it. Right. So who sent you . New guy. What new guy . Watson. My analysis of sensor and Maintenance Data indicates elevator 3 will malfunction in 2 days. There you go. 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Just got to get some stuff sorted out. I think he needs to address a few issues that need to be addressed. If this is something you want the grow into, okay. At least show youre looking to have a grasp of the issues for which youre responsible. Its a scare, are we going to be in war in a month or two or three. I think hes doing a terrific job. First of all, hes kept his promises. You know, hes done as much as hes been able to do. He doesnt affect me but he does awe fekt tffect the childre elder. Im not happy about that. Scary. Not quite sure where hes going to go especially with the north korea job. I think hes doing a great job. Reporter what do you like the most about what hes done. Dont take any crap. Trying to get her done. Not every single choice has been terrible but its kind of getting in his own way. I do not approve of the job our president is doing so far. I think hes doing a hell of a job. I wish people would leaf him alone. Reporter you would vote for him again tomorrow if you had to. I dont know about that. You Better Believe it. Got to give the guy a chance. He aint been in there that long. It would depend on who he was running against. I would not vote for him. No. Yes, i would. 100 . 100 . I voted for trump actually. Reporter you did . Yes. I believed in what e was saying. Reporter and now youre disappointed. Im very disappointed like a lot of people were disappointed. He was going to change everything and he hasnt. Reporter if you had to vote tomorrow, would you vote for the president again . Yes. You know, donnie deutsch, its very interesting. People jumped out in supporting donald trump when they heard everyone on tv saying it was a stupid thing to do, a mistake of a lifetime, et cetera. But if youre donald trump you want to hear people saying is the guy in the pickup truck saying hes going to get the job done. They need to get out of his way. He doesnt put up with any gar dama ba garbage, just get er done. To them thats truth. You know theres something in advertising called buyers remorse. Its hard for people after theyve made a decision to admit i made a wrong decision or that wasnt the right thing to do. Not only is there the basic core who they are as people. Its a process before any human being can say i was wrong. You see on some of those faces not the locked and loaded to use the words of the day. You know they want to say this is not the right thing but theres a process to get there. John heilman is a binary choice. I commented three weeks after i started knocking on doors in 1949, somebody asked me what its like out there. Its amazing. Every door i knock on, its still a war raging from the 1960s and youre either on jane fondas side or john waynes side. Very little in between. The cultural wars that were shaped in the 1960s still exist today and its a binary choice. If youre against donald trump, that means youre for nancy pelosi, Hillary Clinton and the mainstream media. The cultural piece youre talking about is super important. The reality is when you say what you just said, its not even like a lot of voters are thinking of what the policy proposals are of the Democratic Party or the Republican Party. Its a cultural thing now. There are two countries. If youre for donald trump youre for one set of values and if youre for the Democratic Party, youre for another set of parties, liberal, elitist and cosmopolitan in the view of those who reject them. Theres a political divide, a deep cultural divide. Is that enough for donald trump . Well, look. I mean how is that translated to legislation. I would take issue with one of your basic assumptions, which is that the Democrating Party has its own cultural struggle going on. The people who showed up at Bernie Sanders meetings, there were a lot of millennials but a lot of white collar people. The Hillary Clinton and the jeb bushes in the world are in a different category than Bernie Sanders and donald trump. I think the Bumper Sticker sentiment that we can take with us and judge Donald Trumps presidency and his chances for reelection by get er done. Theres a reason he travels the country with banners behind him that say promises made, promises kept. They need to know hes holding up to his word. Youre from the south, im from the south. So many of your friends and my friends, im sure, see donald trump as somebody who doesnt look down to them. Fer years, for decades people in Middle America have sean not only the news media but also hall by wood, academia elites look down at them at the end of their noses and be condescending. They dont get that from donald trump. And the fact that so many in media were so opposed to donald trump makes the supporters dig in. What i hear from my friends and family in mississippi is just to give him a little more time. He hasnt had enough time for everyone to be making these sweeping judgments on his presidency. Joe, its a big big country and human nature is endlessly fascinating. And the guy in the tickup truck says donald trump doesnt take any crap. And that resonates in pennsylvania, summerville, massachusetts and spots in between. And the big thing, joe, is that the Democratic Party, unfortunately in a lot of peoples minds in the past few years, people any that they care more about Silicon Valley than they do about the ma nonga hill valley. They got to get that back. No doubt about it. Donald trump doesnt put up with crap. You know who else doesnt . Taylor swift. We didnt get a chance to talk about it. Lets hit this. Ive got to read one quote for Stephanie Ruhle here. So taylor swift testifying on why the front of her skirt looked normal if a photo taken when she says a radio deejay was groping her. Taylor swifts answer to that deejays lawyer, quote, because my ass is located on the back of my body. Taylorwi