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That, the way they did it is not by reminding french voters of la pens racist things shes said, but merkel tried to provide a platform for them that garnered her support. This is the challenge for moderate parties across all of europe, mika. Its not enough to just say they are racist, they are bigots, because thats what a lot of left parties have been doing when faced with nationalism and accide xenophobia. I have problem with borders as well. We are going to fight to secure france. You dont have to go that direction. It worked in france and that is what merkel needs to do in germany. And thats what democrats need to do here in the United States. Its striking for Vladimir Putin whose foreign meddling may have hurt russia than any democracy hes target. Good morning, everyone. We have Richard Haass with us. In washington, hes in washington. Here in new york, former treasury official and morning joe economic nationalist, steve rattner. And you saw from bbc news ckaty kay and msnbc contributor Mark Halperin. This is a big weekend, the Season Finale of the circus. I know i compare a lot of things to the beatles coming in 64, but this was close. An obvious comparison. Last night an hourlong finale on demand, very exciting. But more exciting for me was saturday night. Did you not see . I was featured on saturday night live in the cold open. You guys didnt see that . Halperin thats amazing. I was on saturday night live. Sunday i was on the circuit. I cant believe you didnt see that. Im up pretty early, i have kids, so ill look into it. Do me a favor, find a clip. Being on saturday night live is cool. You know youve made it. Lets show the clip. Rattner is right, well show you on saturday night live. I cant wait to see it. All right, but first the news. Emmanuel has been elected for the president over marine le pen. Emmanuel macron won 66 of the vote compared to le pens 35 . Thats the worst stomping any candidate has had since her father. Her father got onehalf of that. But she still did get a third of votes cast by french voters in the national front. For sure. At age 39, macron is said to be the youngest leader of france since napoleon. In a tweet, President Trump quoted, congratulations to Emmanuel Macron on his big win today. And he said, another terrorist attack in paris. The people of france will not take much more of this. Will have a big effect on the election. Macron was the subject of a lastminute hack and release of campaign documents, some real and some said to be fabricated, reportedly at the hands of Russian Hackers. In a tweet, Hillary Clinton also the subject of a Campaign Hack, said this. Victory for macron, for france, the eu and the world. Defeat to those interfering with democracy. But the media says i cant talk about that. She just cant help herself. What is it about these two candidates . Trump and clinton cant stop talking about it. Everyone says shes putting together a committee. Run, do whatever you want to do, be involved. But if she and donald trump could look at their calendars and see were in the middle of 2017 would be helpful for them. It would be very helpful for their own selfinterests. I think they both have a lot of unresolved issues related to the campaign. You think . Just on france. Theres tons to say. He was an optimistic candidate of change with an economic plan. Optimism, economic plan and candidate of change, hes got an accomplishment pedigree but talked relentlessly about change. What is incredible, though. This guy has never been in politics before. His party, last election, got like zero percent, 65 this time. Hes the first person since the fifth republic was founded in 65. That didnt come from the two parties. This is a revolution of its own sort, but its a revolution that starts in the center. This guy did not make it into the runoffs. This is like the Michael Bloomberg without the money. He has a very centrist, proglobalization, proeurope, very much wanting to get france out of the 9 up employment, fix the labor laws and move the country forward. But the interesting question for him is that there will be local elections for the legislature in june. He does not have any members of his party in the legislature at the moment. So how hes going to do it shall be effective. Well look at the big picture as it pertains to putin. You wrote a piece in the Washington Post where you write this, russian thats reckless gambit into the u. S. Politics has created diplomatic backlash that has left moscow more isolated than before Donald Trumps election. Think of it this way, hundredsing how putin badly overplayed his hand in the United States should provide insight into how foolish the russian autocrat is to make enemies with the soontobe elected president of france. British journalist ben judah reported that several sources inside e map youll macrons campaign have stated that the russian attack has dramatically hardened macrons views to russia. Foreign policy analysts should begin to take a closer look at buy tin and begin to question whether he is brilliant bond villain many make him out to be or whether russias president for life is more of a political gadfly whose foreign meddling ends up causing more damage to russias longterm interests than any country he targets. You look at what this has brought him, the inability to have sanctions lifted. You have john mccain, a slew republican, saying because of the hacking, because they tried interfering in our elections, that hell will freeze over before they lift russian sanctions. You look at Rex Tillerson saying this is the low point since the cold war. And he may be promoting fake news, but lets look at the headlines of real news. The New York Times, the wall street journal, this is what the worlds waking up to, the financial times, the Washington Post, without being too harsh this early in the morning, you have a 39yearold incoming president of france who Vladimir Putin has just pissed off. And now hes going to have a hostile leader in paris and he has a lot of angry people in washington, d. C. It doesnt seem to be the brilliant move that everybody claimed it to be. And he has a hostile leader in berlin. But look at putins situation. This is a guy whos overseeing a country with a shrinking population down to about 140, 145 Million People. Hes virtually nothing going for him economically. His energy tool which is a big coercive power is incredibly weak because of american oil and gas production. So all hes got going for him is military force and cyber. And what hes trying to do is to influence, not to make russia great again, because that would mean real political and economic reform, but he wants russia feared again and respected again. So he invades crimea and is still messing around in ukraine. He does what he did in syria, but this is essentially someone who is trying to act as if hes still running a major world power. But its almost like a car trying to run on two cylinders. He simply cant do it. And what hes had now is hes been rebuffed in france. Thats a good day. And he goes into syria and then hes humiliatehen the United States, donald trump and Donald Trumps advisers suggest they have a missile trick inside of syria. So even that blows up in his face. And now we are in the curious position where the russians are trying to organize peace talks about syria. Which the americans tried and failed for years and years. And if the russians are pushing the syrians to come to the peace table and finding out it is much more complicated than they thought it might be. Julia ayotte said this has all changed and caused a radical shift in the dynamics between moscow and washington. The before it was putin doing crazy things and washington leaders were gob smacked trying to figure it out. Now the russians are trying to figure out what to do. And in the state of the nation last week, a proposed column said it is such a change with putin pushing for peace and the United States sitting back and doing, you know what . Well see. Its hard to see how the interference in u. S. Elections hasnt been because we look at it from our side, but it hasnt been a catastrophic political move by him. If there was some secret plan between donald trump and Vladimir Putin to rule the world by catering to russian interests, if there was, its over. Because between congress and european leaders and the realities that you suggested, putin put himself now in a significantly weaker position just in the last couple of months. Now to american politics now with the house in recess, the republicans are facing blowback from constituents over the Gop Health Care overhaul. At top of the show, we showed you congressman raul labrador, the member of the House Freedom caucus, from his town hall event on friday. You are mandating people on medicaid accept dying. You are making a mandate on killing people. That line is so indefensible. Nobody dies because they dont have access to health care. The congressman later admitted in a Facebook Post that his answers there werent very g to a false nation that the Republican Health care plan will cause people to die in the streets which i completely reject. I was trying to explain that all hospitals are required by law to treat patients in need of Emergency Care regardless of their ability to pay and that the republican plan does not change that. First of all, hes dead wrong, based on the Health Care Coverage they get, it makes a difference on whether they live or die. Every single day and every hospital in new york city and every hospital in idaho and every hospital across the United States of america, but the republicans have found themselves in this position now, they have set themselves up to have to defend taking, whether its 24 Million People off health care or however you want to put it, because, first of all, many people thats reality. But secondly, the messaging on this, has been so horrific, that nobody is getting it out there that actually we actually believe and then they can go on and say that actually were just not compelling 24 Million People to buy this insurance. The main reason going into the messaging over the weekend where you saw the secretary of health and human services, and paul ryan out. The republicans believe that what they are offering will make Americas Health care options better. Thats what they believe, but they are not right now convincing people because of all the realities of they are also not telling the truth. Thats part of why they are having a problem. Im sorry, i know, i know secretary price, i know paul ryan, i know all of these people. They are going on the air and saying things that are not true. Objectively, verifybly, not true. I think i watched all four or five of those. I was on one of them, and the lies were just so blatant. And it was just traumatic. So tell us why. People arent going to lose their insurance, people arent going to whatever. We have been assured repeatedly that nobody is going to lose their health care. Lets run for a few quick charts that will lay it out. Well start with the money because things start with money and who is getting the money and who is not getting the money. Now this is scoring by the cbo done off the second of the three versions of the health care bill. Third version they have not scored yet. Of course, they voted without seeing the score. Numbers arent going to change that much. But basically what you can see, most importantly, is they are cutting 839 billion from medicaid. That is a lot of money to cut. And then still say people are going to get health care. Now, are they cutting it completely or are they sending it to the states . Cutting. Cutting. But they say theyre not cutting. But what they are saying is that because medicare expenses are projected to go up allot, medicaid, rather, more sick people are on it, that their cuts would still leave an increase in medicaid. This is a cut from whab prowhat has been projected to be needed. They are moving subsidies into tax credits and changing them from being more income based to being more age based, giving more subsidies to wealthy people, less to poor people. That will have an affect ill show you in a second. And all that money is going to, most of the money is going to rich people in the face of 622 billion of tax cuts. Define rich. Define rich . Is it 250,000 and above . 250,000 and above, investmentincome people, medical devices, businesses, things like that. So 622 billion in tax cuts. 622 billion in tax cuts for the wealthy americans. Okay. Okay. What does that mean in terms of what happens to insurance . So listen, go back to the last chart for one second, if youre running for office and youre a democrat, the republicans have just made your life so easy. All you say is, you know what . They cut 800 billion from health care for the poorest among us. And they gave 600 billion in tax cuts for the wealthiest among us. They can sit there and go up and explain and do this and they can do that, they are not going to be able to rip that Bumper Sticker off the back. That is the republicans, just as we warned, just as i have been warning nonstop, you have just played into the democrats hand because you had a day trader trying to get a rally in the rose garden. He got his rally, now you have a fight on your hands. Nancy pelosi is speaker of the house, i hope it was worth it for you, because it was a stupid move to rush through when there wasnt cbo scoring. By the way, please dont lie. Please stop saying on tv that liberals are the ones asking for a cbo score. Youve asked for a cbo score for years. I know because i was there with you asking for a cbo score for years dont vote on a bill if you dont know the bills cost. And dont reorder the economy. 1 6 of the economy, if you dont know what is inside the bill. Thats what we made fun of nancy pelosi for seven to eight years now. You look stupid and did it all because the guy at the other end of pennsylvania avenue wanted a press conference. It was worth it for him, but you just made your life more difficult. Next chart. Warren buffett said at the annual meeting on saturday the tax cut would be a 17 cut in his taxes. So we are giving or the republicans would like to give Warren Buffett a cut, he said thank you but no thank you. The biggest problem democrats have is it is hard to believe they would do that. The symbolism of cutting for the media and giving huge taxes to wealthy and republicans not telling the truth makes it difficult for democrats to convince them. But by election day they will. They say it is so grotesque. You can talk to republican conservists, the fact that the rich have been getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. And Alan Greenspan himself says it poses a risk to the continued strength of western capitalism. And here you have a program that cuts 80 billion from the poorest americans and gives it to the richest americans. Thats just bad policy. It reinforces your right to inequality and plays into a steal caricature about american politics. And most important, none of this addresses, not only does it fail to address health care, but it doesnt affect the basic problem with a lot of American Society is that upward mobility is not anything like it was or needs to be. And that aught to be what republicans are focusing on, how to make the American Dream Something Real and attainable for a large swath of americans who feel cut out and isolated and economically insecure. And all this does is increase economic insecurity rather than increase economic opportunity. You know, theres Different Levels of truth in politics, i guess. Fair enough to say this is boldfaced lying . I dont like to say that but that is what it looks like. And for trump . If you look at what donald trump said in the campaign, his lies about what his Health Care Plan was going to look like, because this is the one hes championed, this is Donald Trumps Health Care Plan. This is every bit as much of a divide from what he attacked barack obama for saying, if you want your Health Insurance policy, keep it. If you want your doctor, keep it, et cetera, et cetera. I mean, that is a problem. And the biggest problem for republicans is, this debate is not about the cost curve, its about whether government pays for health care that spends too much money per person is inefficient, or whether Insurance Companies pay. Instead of saying, how do we put more forces in the system to drive down overall costs, save medicare, save medicaid, save middleclass americans from the runaway bills. Mark said earlier that republicans like the bill, but several members who voted for it are praying the Senate Changes it. So they dont necessarily like it. Thats what they are all saying. They are basically saying, dont look at this bill, the senate is going to save us. So they dont like it. So steve has two more charts that well have to get to later. I want to see mark. Well show it now. Not right now, as we go to break. Circuit was on saturday, but i was on snl. I cant believe you didnt see it. I hear it was good. Still ahead, senator chris coons reacts to the french election. And also, julia joffe will be here, peter baker as well as bill kristol. Theres a lot of people with preexisting conditions who are probably furious right now. A csection. A csection is a preexisting condition. And its not a preexisting condition, erectile dysfunction. Mika, youre being dramatic. Im sorry. Mika mouse, youre being a little stinker. Mikaboo, mikaboo, youre being a stinker, its not going to work. Mark halprin, the senate cant be pleased if the house just threw this in their lap. What is their relationship like now . What is their relationship like . 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Org it only takes a minute to take care of yourself, and nothing rhymes with org. When we started the process faster than anyone in the house expected. It is also up to the senate to make the improvements. And i have talked to 6 of the 12 members of the Senate Committee yesterday. The working group, including leader mcconnell and others, and everyone is excited and ready to go to work and take the time necessary to look at the bill, make improvements where they need to be made, and then the bill will be brought back for conference. The house bill is not going to come before us. The senate is starting from scratch. Were going to draft our own bill. And im convinced that were going to take the time to do it right. My goal is to actually expand coverage for those 28 million americans who still lag Coverage Today despite the aca. All right. The Health Care Overhaul is set to get a makeover in the senate with members of the administration saying they will retool the narrowly passed house version rather than try and pass it. And by the way, the Senate Working group that the white house chief of staff Reince Priebus referred to is comprised of 13 men. Mark halperin, why dont they put a woman in there . Susan collins, Lisa Murkowski will be a key player here, they arent going to pass anything without their support. So why dont you put them in the working group . I suspect if they are not formally put in, they will be put in for the unofficial way. The nat is different than the house. And Susan Collins could bring this to a crashing halt if she decides she wants to. On the other side, if youre saying, does it have a chance . Mitch mcconnell has thought it through more than hes shown publicly. And he has a plan to try to figureut how to pass it through the senate. Ifou look at Susan Collins, she wants a bipartisan plan out of the senate, i dont think that will happen, but youll see a lot of individual senators including Susan Collins, play a giant role in this. Susan collins is talking about what republican governors across the country want, which is an expansion of medicaid. Because Susan Collins whom the governors understand, which unfortunately a lot of republicans dont understand, that people will get treatment regardless. You might as well make it as efficient as possible. And when you expand medicaid, you actually make it more efficient. So that in the preexisting conditions are the two big problems the senate will have with this. And its why probably medicaid more than the preexisting conditions, its why the bill that President Trump celebrated so victoriously is not a bill that American Voters are ever going to feel the repercussions of because it will never get passed into law. And that would be a question. Everyone assumes this is going to kill the republicans who voted for it, but if voters never feel the impact of that bill, will that help some of these republican congressmen who voted yes on it . I dont know. I think if you voted for it, i can tell you, im here right now, and i get elected to congress because the democrat i ran against voted for bill clintons tax increases when they went through the house, but did not when they went through the final. And he and a lot of other democrats thought that would save them, still said, it never would have gotten that far if he had not voted on it. So no, that vote, nancy pelosi is right, they will gloat the rest of their political careers, that vote will glow wherever they move on the campaign trail. Even if the medicaid changes the preexisting condition . The 30second commercials will be devastating. And a lot of these republicans are not going to vote for it. Its going to be an expansion of medicaid. Its marked on their records. They wont get the expansion of medicaid but a smaller cut. We wont get a rollback. We wont get a full rollback. You have rand paul and ted cruz pushing the other way on this. And they have to get 52 votes. But on the other side of it, youve got Lisa Murkowski and Susan Collins. And youve got rob portman in ohio. Youve got pat toomey in pennsylvania. Pat toomey is not going to vote to cut medicaid. Portman in ohio is not going to cut. And if ron johnson knows what hes doing in wisconsin, and i think he does, hes not going to cut medicaid. So in wisconsin lets look at the impact. Two more charts. So we talked about the money, now lets talk about the people. So if this, if the house bill were to go through, you would lose 24 million, the famous 24 Million People would lose their insurance. Now, as i said, we dont have a cbo score with the most recent bill, but its not going to change much. Of those 24 million, 14 million are on medicaid. Theres nothing in the house bill in any versions of the house bill to make this the early different. This is a pretty hard number. You would lose 3 Million People who buy their insurance on the exchanges. And you would lose 7 Million People who buy or get their insurance through employers. So people who get their insurance through employers are not immune to this. Why . Because one of the provisions is to drop the requirement that all employers offer their people insurance. So lets look at the bottom line, what does this mean for how Many Americans that have insurance versus how many hadnt before . You can see on this chart that beginning with the accomplishment of medicaid in the early 70s, youve had a steady increase in the percentage of american who s wh Health Insurance. And particularly at an enormous drop in the percentage of americans who had Health Insurance with the passage of obamacare. This bill would take it all the way back to where it was before obamacare and then some. It would take it to 19 , which is the highest it has been since the 1970s. We talked to Mark Halperin about some of my friends going on the air this weekend and saying things that were verifybly not true. I was surprised that paul ryan went on the air and said, this is not going to impact what are we worried about . When you had the cooked political report adjust 21, 22 seats. Youve got 23, 24 seats that Hillary Clinton won. And anybody that knows anything about politics knows that vote last week is going to make the job of republicans tougher. And they theyre admitting it off camera themselves. They are in nomans land and supporting something politically unpopular. They are proposing and supporting something they are not honest about what it does. And theyre not having the courage of their convictions to explain the underlying premise of why they think this is a better thing for the american people. As long as that is their posture, i think they will be on defense the entire time. If they muscle something through, but they wont have broad Political Support for it. Mika, i told the story a lot on sometimes when we go out and talk political groups, give speeches, and its about embracing what you do. And 1995, 1996, the first time i ran for reelection, we had to cut medicare because the Medicare Trustees said it was going bankrupt in ten years so we had to make the tough choices and did exactly what bill clinton said we had to do two years before, but then he started going after everybody. And started slaughtering everybody. And then i realized early on in my campaign, if i tried to run from it, i was going to get killed. So i made the entire campaign a referendum on why we had to cut medicare. Why we had to save medicare. And they would ask a question about education, i would talk about why we had to cut medicare. Then ask a question about defense, i would talk about it. I went to it and i piled through it. And if some of you have heard the story before, forgive me, at the end of the campaign, i think it was gwen borger at republican strategies, they had done 20 campaigns and he was like, what are you saying to seniors . I was like, this has backfired. I said, why . Because youve got the highest Approval Rating among Senior Citizens for any of the 120 to 130 races that were running. I said, tell them the truth. And sure enough, they would come up and thank me and say, thank you. Its a little tougher but we understand. If you run away from it, like youre talking about, you always politically get gunned down. If you go straight to the fire and explain to people why you did it, you win. And they are doing the absolute worst thing because they dont believe in the bill, its a bad bill, and it was passed so donald trump could have a press conference in the rose garden. Talk to paul ryan. And they are lying about it. If you would talk to paul ryan, he would say, joe, were going to cut the tax cuts and not give it to the wealthy, how would you explain it . You cant cut benefits. By the way, im sorry, dont want to bring religion into this, but if you are a matthew 25 christian and you believe what jesus says that we will be judged on how we treat the poorest among us, then there is no legislative justification for cutting 650 billion in health benefits. And then turning around and in the same bill and benefiting the richest among us 850 billion. Im not judging anybody. Im just saying, if paul ryan or somebody asked me beforehand, i would say, you cant do it politically, and im not being selfrighteous here because im the last person to be selfrighteous, but you cant do it morally either. This isnt a moral bill. So theres no spinning this. The only way republicans spin this, the republicans, the only way you spin this, its a bad bill, but we had to pass something through the house so the senate could pass a better bill. And when it comes back, well actually repeal obamacare and move it forward. That is the only way to justification it. And we got ruled by trump. But they have to say, its a bad bill. Theyve got to stop justifying the content of the bill. The content is horrific. And if they say that honestly, i hate the bill, but we had to get something passed through the house to go to the senate and repeal obamacare. Okay. Coming up, his debut column at the New York Times sparked quite the conversation on climate change. Bret stephens joins us with his recent piece for the mustread opinion page. Morning joe is coming right back. I am benedict arnold, the infamous traitor. And i know a thing or two about trading. So i trade with e trade, where true traders trade on a trademarked trade platform that has all the. 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Save now when you buy philips sonicare. Joining us, columnist for the New York Times, Bret Stephens. Hes a troublemaker. Youre making trouble, what is going on . They love me. The kids love you on e streets. Serious question, a lot of controversy because you said, you believe in climate change, you believe its manmade, but we need to figure out the best way forward. And the best way forward and how extreme it is, it caused a huge uproar for people that dont know, caused a huge uproar, how have the times editors and management been toward you . The times has been terrific. Everyone, all the senior editors have been supportive. Look, they brought me in because i offer a different view. And i think they also brought me in because they know the twitter verse doesnt represent the entire range of opinion among times readers. Thank god. So there was a lot of anger on twitter and in social media and maybe among a certain demographic. But i think theres also a view that you need a representative sample that goes beyond the cambridge manhattan washington, d. C. Corridor. Because after all, its a national newspaper. Its the national newspaper, along with the wall street journal. Usa today, and the Washington Post, of course. But im curious, you had said before that your concerns, you said, was youll be the conservative flavor of the month. And you were worried they got you simply because you were never a trumper. And they were reassurer on that point. They said to me, well, i said i dont want you just because of your conservative views. Well, there you go. I want to read from your legislative piece about the france election. And we have Richard House here as well who can respond. Bret stephens, what has failed in france . Macrons challenge wont simply be political. Le pen has offered him a relatively easy foil, given how thoroughly tainted her party is by xenophobia and antisemitism. Yet it is one thing to make the abstract case for openness, competitiveness and globalization in the face of a bigot. The harder climb will be to press for changes that inevitably take thing as way from people. The pair docks of france is that it is desperate for reform and desperate not to be reformed. It wants the benefits of a jobproducing competitive economy, but fears relink wishing a jobprotect iing uncompetitive one. A macron presidency will have to devote its intellectual and rhetorical energies to explaining that it can be one or the other but not both. What has failed in france is an idea, an idea about the role of the state. Macrons challenge is now to show the french there is a better one. Katty . The french have repeatedly shown themselves incredibly resistant to economic reform and critics of macron say what a lot is in his economic plan is not very different from what Francois Hollande was pros proe opposing either. Theres nothing thats going to drag the French Economy into the 20th century, the high cost of employing people, which make it impossible to fire people. So how much hope do you have that macron can do to france what other president s have failed . Macron was the most forwardleaning member of hollandes team. At least hollande two, when he became a reformer, as opposed to the socialist he had been previously. France is desperate. They have 10. 1 unemployment, 23 youth unemployment. This is seven years into a recovery. The moment france goes into a recession again, its going to be a crisis to match some of the great crises of french history. I think macron be understands exactly how serious that challenge is. The french have to be brought along to the idea that, in order to get a competitive economy, theyre going to have to relinquish a state that consumes 57 of gdp and the most generous social spending in the western world. Richard haas, when Margaret Thatcher passed away, steve rattner, a reporter with the times, back when thatcher came to power in london in the early 80s said without thatcher, Great Britain would have been france. And, of course, as we know, steve is no conservative. Its not like he has portraits of Margaret Thatcher in his study, but he stated what was fairly obvious. Why have the french been so resistant to a thatchertype reformer that can go in, turn the tables over in the temple and make that country economically great . Its not just france. Its really all of southern europe. You have a tradition of this state control. Part of the public sector. In this case its, what, closer to 35 . Its just a whole different relationship, joe, between the individual and the state. And people essentially have opted for degrees of security over anything that was risky, even if the risk had a potentially higher upside. People just always embraced a version of the status quo, which had do you see that, richard . Not a lot. Think about macron, his ambitious reform approaches would, what, scale back the size of the state sector from 56 or 57 to, what, 52 . Its hardly revolutionary. Thats the real danger here. If he doesnt do well there, if he doesnt do a better job on security and figure out how to integrate frances 6 million muslims into this society, some day a populist will come along in france who doesnt have the poisonous policies of le pen. That will be the worrisome day. Shes discredited but i dont think populism is forever off the table by any means there. Mark . What are the forces in french politics that could help him . Its the economic crisis. Its not just the size of the state. Other countries have less unemployment with a big state. Right. Its the costing. Reforming a labor code thats 3,000 pages long makes it excruciatingly difficult for employers to fire employees. Most of the employment being created in france is short term, low pay. The french know this better than anyone. So, making the case that you need a more flexible labor market, you need easier rules, i dont think, is impossible to sell on the french. These are very smart, sophisticated people. But they have lived with a kind of ideology bear in mind, you had in 2007 on roughly similar promises. What those two characters lacked was courage i hope macron has the courage. I remember when john meachum was running newsweek and after obama got elected there was a headline, basically, are we becoming socialists. That was the blaring headline. That was the controversy then. You talked about culture and said you americans would make the worst socialists ever because youre mad. Youre working all the time. That is how you define your success. I found that to be fascinating because youre right. Its sort of in the american spirit. When i asked richard if the french could change their culture, you were just as definitive and you immediately laughed. No, thats never going to happen. Its really hard for them. You know, french have long lunches. They have long mandated state holidays. They retire at the age i have french friends who have retired at the age of 55 on almost full pension. They marry older women. Some of them, some of them marry older women. So, giving that up, its not that its giving up an Economic System but your cultural identity. They pride themselves on not being like americans, who work all the time. And thats very hard. Thats very hard. Thats true but theres a bit of a caricature 10, 15 years ago, you could say the exact same thing about germany. Gerhard schroeder passed economic reforms. It was the same in britain. They still kept their mandated sixweek holiday. Look at britain, it was as socialized as they came back in the 1970s. They were yanked out of it and have learned theyre denynamic entrepreneurs. All the french expats living in america, theyve started businesses. Theyve been successful and they all say the same thing. And its about culture. They say we love being here because we can work around the clock. Nobody judges us. But back home if we do that, were looked upon with suspicion. I wonder if that will change. I hope. Coming up, senator chris coons will join us. New york times peter baker with their latest reporting on the white house. Keep it right here on morning joe. Es. My a1c wasnt were it needed to be. So i liked when my doctor told me that i may reach my blood sugar and a1c goals by activating whats within me with onceweekly trulicity. Trulicity is not insulin. It helps activate my body to do what its suppose to do, release its own insulin. I take it once a week, and it works 24 7. It comes in an easytouse pen and i may even lose a little weight. 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Isabelle florence. Cute little baby. How many grand kids do you have now . Five. How many does miss continetti have . Two. Shes like 14 years ago. Carly got her ready. Exactly. Is it true what they say about being a grandparent, is it that great . The Younger Generation asking me questions, gramps. Grandpa, what is it really like . Its coming our way, soon. I to ochltoddle into the apa with a cane. After you have your geritol and rub bengay over your joints do people even know what bengay smells like . Its what bill crystal smells like. You get to play with them and give them back. And you have to pretend you have forgotten how to change diapers. Very unsafe. Like you ever change aid diaper. Okay. Bbcs katty kay, Political Writer for the New York Times. And chief correspondent for the New York Times, peter baker, political reporter for the Washington Post, robert costa and Mark Halperin. Star of snl. Exactly. President council on Foreign Relations and resident barbecue expert richard haas. Lets go round, since we have 18,000 people here and talk about the big news in all the papers in france. We will start with you, bill crystal. What do you make of le pens overwhelming defeat last night . Turned out what happened to le pen is what happened to pat buchanan, what will happen to other candidates of that type around the western world. Probably would have happened to trump, had he had a stronger general election. I think thats right. Also trump had the kind of celebrity and less ideological, less associated with the really disreputable past. Its reassuring that the majorities in most of the democracies seem to believe in liberal democracy. Donald trump had suddenly lined himself up behind le pen, tweeting that recent terror attacks would have a big impact on the election and talking about how fascinating the election was. How is this president going to deal with a french president that he was not supportive of . Its a great question. Clearly, not his choice, Emmanuel Macron. Weve seen he cherishes personal relationships with foreign leaders. It doesnt matter, in some ways, to him, if the foreign leader has a different set of ideals and philosophy. If they get in a room and build chemistry, they seem to get along fine. Look at xi jinping of china. China bashing in the campaign. Suddenly he gets in the room in maralago, and theyre best buddies. You cant stop him from speaking about what a great guy he is. Theyre coming at it from a very different point of view. Another big loser not just donald trump, another big loser of Vladimir Putin. Tried to rig the election, release hacking a couple of days beforehand, blew up in his face and macrons camp was he already had a hard line on putin before. Now he loads the gun. Also an important point here, joe, macron winning is as though Mike Bloomberg had the backing of democratic nominee Hillary Clinton and republican jeb bush. Right. Against independent candidate trump, right . So its hard for the populist nationalist candidate to win without the backing of part of the establishment right, which was not true in france. It was true here in the u. S. , where trump coopted a major party and they came around and backed him. Richard haas, it would be a mistake to say that the sort of revolution that weve seen going across the world, sort of a mini 1848, but mini revolution would be a mistake to say that it was defeated yesterday because yesterday was a revolution politically, but it was a revolution from the center. Absolutely. It would be premature to pronounce the death of populism or nationalist movements. What you have here, though, is a real opportunity for macron and really angela merkel. The question is whether they seize the opportunity to reform their own economies, to reform europe. One of the big loser s was terea may. Brexit would have been the least of the eus worries had le pen won. But now he will be very proeu and very close to merkel. The terms of the brexit have just become more difficult. Teresa may is running against Jeremy Corbin and will probably get anywhere between 98 and 99 . Absolutely, she will win the election overwhelmingly, but it does not necessarily strengthen her hand visavis in brussels. The instinct there will be to tow a very tough line because now they have the luxury of doing that since france has stayed very much inside. Teresa may is not running against Jeremy Corbin. Shes running against brussels, and brussels has just had its hand strengthened by Emmanuel Macron to the ode to joy. And he won, which the remaining people in the Brexit Debate failed to do, failed to make an emotional, positive case for europe. He made it and got victory from it. France is a little different from england. And its relationship with europe is different, yes. You will have pretty long leadership, assuming teresa may wins, and merkel wins, which looks probably likely. Up for election in late september . I think the broader western Alliance Point of view, having teresa may with a strong majority, having macron newly elected, having merkel, abe in japan, it will contain the damage trump might do to our basic alliance structure. Part of the reason that macron won was because le pens association with trump damaged marine le pen. The question, richard haas, he gets 65 of the vote there. But, obviously, the eu project is flawed in countless ways. Obviously, citizens in france who did not vote for le pen and citizens in germany who will vote for merkel still think the porous border situation is outrageous, still believe that what merkel did with refugees is outrageous, still believe that the european project has gone badly off course. So, how is that addressed, moving forward . Theres frustration with europe. Its overregulated. You have problems with security. They havent given up on the european project. The whole history of europe has france and germany at its core. The post world war ii steel community. It still has tremendous resonance. It will mean shifting the balance between brussels and National Capitals a little bit more. Thats one of the messages of what we saw in france. It will mean a little bit less regulation. And probably also a little bit more the ability of individual countries to tailor their own relationship with europe. It wont be a onesizefitsall. The basic concept of the european project still retains considerable appeal. Katty, we were talking about the culture of france. Also the culture of Great Britain. Because that happened in britain, all these dominos are going to fall in europe. In fact, what yesterday showed is that britain is britain. Britain is a partner with the United States, economically more so than the rest of europe. Maybe we all just sort of overlearned the lesson with brexit like we overlearned the lesson with donald trump. If le pen won, france would have been the frexit and you would have seen the dismantling of the european union. Le pen didnt win. Youre right. We all had such a shock after brexit and the shock after trump because the polling was wrong. The polling was right in france. We thought maybe this wave is much bigger than we think and lets not assume that what is normal politics applies in this particular moment. The polling was off in the other direction, actually, as much as it was in the underrating brexit and trump. Im a little shocked at a french minister walking out to beethoven and german symphony. They sang that, too. Dont worry. That should come first, though. And teresa may will insist on whatever the Great British anthems are, not on some german composer. Some german composer. I am surprised he said it. Its a mistake a lot of european leaders are making right now. He said there is no french culture. Hes wrong. There is a distinct french culture. There is a distinct german culture. There is a distinct dutch culture. They are not the United States of america. They are france. And thats the mistake european leaders have been making for too long. There is a french culture and the french want him to protect that culture without being a xenophobe. Richard haas, thank you very much. Thank you, richard. Health care and the fallout from last weeks health care vote. Republican members of congress spent the weekend defending the merits of their Health Care Reform effort, consisting that no one will lose coverage. This is a rescue mission to make sure that we can achieve the goals we all want, which is getting the cost of coverage down and making sure that everyone has access to Affordable Health care, especially and including people with preexisting conditions. That is what our bill does. This is a different and, we believe, a better way to cover individuals with preexisting illnesses and swrrs. It allows for every Single Person to get access to the kind of coverage they want. Nobody wants foeb s folks who h preexisting injury or illness not to be covered. Can you really stand by the president s pledge that everybody will be taken care of . Sul, country. Even if a governor which im not sure thats ever going to happen takes the waiver opon, it wouldnt affect anyone wh continuous coverage. Everyone with a preexisting condition right now who is covered under obamacare will continue to have coverage . Absolutely. Everyone . Oh. Absolutely. And their rate also remain affordable, even though theres now more flexibility for Insurance Companies state by state . Their rate also remain affordable. Bob costa i cant even. Im serious. Are you in the driveway, ready to go . Stop. Its a boldfaced lie. If i have the opportunity to get rid of the preexisting waiver im thinking of doing that and, of course, he backed down a little bit when there was a firestorm, but that will be his option and the option of others. Weve been surprised around the table theyre not embracing what they did. In fact, in many cases they seem to be, lets politely say, dancing around the group. House leadership and Top White House officials defending the house bill pretty forcefully and Senate Republicans are shrugging Susan Collins of maine was saying that the senate will come up with its own legislation. Its hard to predict how this will unfold, that people are preexisting conditions would not be affected or see their coverage change. When you look at this legislation, if states do choose to opt out, its hard to say if it would be disruptive to some people. This remains a point of contention with both parties. Youve been covering this for the circus. Im baffled how chaotic this has been. You have donald trump, who made promises on the campaign that dont line up with anything. The Republican House bill and then donald trump saying give me any bill to sign. I just want a signing ceremony. He embraces a bill that he doesnt support, at least not on the campaign trail. And it was just absolute chaos. They get that billsigning ceremony but im afraid they got more than they bargained for here, mark. How did we get to this point . The constituency for this plan, to a large extent, is republican members of congress and some business interest. It has an 18 Approval Rating. Not a single medical Group Supports it. Many business groups dont support it. To get through the politics of the house, as you said, the president doesnt care much what is in this, by all accounts, so he can move on to tax reform. They have to decide whether they want to defend it on the merits or talk about it in terms that dont line up not only with what the president said on the campaign with you whats in the house bill. Theyre trying to do three things at once that they cant d do. Paul ryan got utterly convinced they had to do this first. Argued with him in private, senior House Republicans, youre taking on the toughest issue with a very complicated bill to defend. From new york to washington how it breaks down. Lets get to the important stuff. I wanted to say but if you talk to republicans privately, well get this through. It will be a muddled thing, wont affect people much either way. I think thats true if governors dont waive. And the golden thing, which tax reform, which they think gives the economy a boost and they go into 2018. They dont care much whats in it. They want to get something through, say theyve done the repeal and replace. They can fix it a year or two from now. I dont think thats the right way to govern but privately, they do not have great hopes. Theyre not saying this is great. Were looking forward to campaigning on this health care bill. Theyre saying, lets get this out of the way so we can campaign on economic growth. Onesixth of the economy. A president who literally has told people just get me something to sign. I dont care whats in it. Just get me something to sign. And meanwhile you have the republicans making the same mistake bill clinton made in 1993, barack obama made in 2009, at least politically. They took on the toughest legislative package first. And it could have a devastating impact on them. It could. There are two different ways to look at. One is if they had to run on the bill they already passed in house, what would they run on in 18 months . This part of the process will be long forgotten if theyre able to get to a place where they find a bill that is acceptable to the senate that does get at least a few democrats on board. Wouldnt republicans rather vote on sorry to cut you off. But wouldnt republicans prefer running on tax reform and Regulatory Reform . Their base would absolutely love that. And then they get the Health Care Reform after they get some momentum. No question about that. They do feel like they have to do this on health reform, the most salient promise they made is to reverse president obamas radical experimentation on health care system. Its true that there is a lot of problems with the Current System that president obama set up. Theres a lot of people very unhappy with it. And, you know, were not at the end of the process. If they had an election tomorrow it wouldnt necessarily look good for the republicans. Were not going to remember this stage if they can get Something Better done. The question is whether they intend to or can pull things together with the senate. Thats a big, big, big lift. As weve seen in the past and as youve just pointed out, health care is the place where president s go to die. Yeah. Uhhuh. This is one of the cases where substance will really matter in the end, will what people see in their lives in november 2018 matter . Katy kay, obamacare for all of the positive i mean all of the accolades that were received from Barack Obamas base, obamacare was what republicans rode to three historic victories. A thousand legislative seats gained across the country since obamacare passed. 62 house seats passed since obamacare passed. 12 to 14 senate seats, 12 to 14 governorships. It has been politically devastating for the democratic party. And now the republicans following that same script. Democrats need only 24 seats. Speaking to a couple of democratic strategists over the last couple of days, how confident they sound that theyre going to get those seats as a result of this bill having been signed. They think the numbers are absolutely solid. I just want to ask you about the optics of this. Mika and i have been looking at this photo all morning. Andrea raised it with tom price on meet on sunday about whether or not they were concerned about this photograph opportunity and it was nearly all middleaged white guys. Tom price gave an answer and pulled out the names of a couple of women. There are two or three, maybe four or five women in that photograph. Are you hearing any concern at all in the white house about what that gathering looked like and the image it sends, or they dont care about it . Its hard to say right now at the white house whether theyre concerned about the gender issue with regard to health care. I know my sources on capitol hill are concerned that this working group in the senate, for the most, has about a dozen 13 members who are all men. This is something that republicans have faced for a long time. Their party is mostly white, male, in the leadership positions. I think you can expect Susan Collins, even if shes not part of this working group, to be a real player. There are concerns about the expansion of medicaid, whether that will be fazed out under this house bill, which it is. Concerns about senator collins and others about planned parenthood. Can i ask you, a lot of people are talking about preexisting conditions. But isnt medicaid the issue that is going to divide the most . It is. You see, senator portman of ohio and several other republican senators, those who are considered both moderate and conservative, raising concerns about medicaid. Governor casic was saying the same on sunday. Theres a concern th, look, these voters are trump voters if youre on medicaid, working class voters in nearpoverty situations. If you start countering them, thats going to have a political and policy impact. Bill kristol, robert costa, peter baker, thank you very much. On tomorrows show former secretary of state Condoleezza Rice will be our guest on set. First of all, thank you, grandpa, for being with us. Thank you. The photo of all those republicans, i regard those as my fellow grandfathers, look like kindly middleaged people. Sit at the elks club every wednesday afternoon. Buy a case of bengay for the whole group. What did they know about Michael Flynns contacts with highlevel russian officials . Sally yates heads to capitol hill for muchanticipated testimony. Member of the foreign Senate Committee joins us. Youre watching morning joe. Well be right back. A Millie Dresselhaus doll happy birthday, sweetie oh, millies. Trick or treat were so glad to have you here. 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I promise not to filibuster. I will be short. I am always short but i promise to be short and brief. I will not talk to you about washington, d. C. That deserves a round of applause. Most of my staff in d. C. Are 25 or so. And i cant tell you how often i have to tell them to put the phone down and look me in the eyes. Ive also given this advice to our president. Thats my one comment today. He almost kept politics out of it. That was senator chris coons, giving the commencement address at goldeybeacon college over the weekend. The republicans, the Health Care Plan and the repeated, is it okay if i say, with all due respect, lies are republicans in the senate actually going to do anything with this bill or are they going to start all over again . Its my hope that theyre going to start all over again. The folks on the tv shows this sunday made outrageous claims for the bill thats been passed out of the house. At the end of the day, this is about people. What im hearing from delawareans up and down the st i w here this weekend is real concern, folks with preexisting conditions, folks who pay too much for their outofpocket costs or insurance, are anxious about the provisions in the bill that passed the house. Im hopeful republicans in the senate will take a hard run to put together a bill that works, conclude they cant do that on their own and work across the aisle to find a way together to fix the parts of the Affordable Care act that dont work and move forward together. Working dproop in the senate isnt reach iing out. Ive made repeated overtures to republicans, as have many other democrats in the senate. At the end of the day, if we focus on those who advocate for Americas Health, aarp, american nursing association, the american medical association, if we look at their view of this house bill, theyve all panned it and think its going to hurt americans and we should make our focus what will make americans healthier and pass a bill that will improve. Two or three things that if the working group comes to democrats that democrats could work on republicans with, two or three things that could be areas of common agreement where democrats would sign on to a bill that could improve or fix real problems with the program . Well, first, we would have to actually keep the promises that have been made, both by President Trump and by republicans over the weekend, as they characterized the bill. Retain the National Protection for preexisting conditions, for example. There are things about how the Insurance Market is working that is not sustainable. In states like delaware where theres not enough competition. We need to Work Together to find ways to increase competition, to keep Insurance Companies in the market and to not drive them out. Im worried there will be administrative actions by the Trump Administration in the coming weeks and months that will drive the existing places. Theyre not currently in a death spiral but could be there. We need to propose ways to fix it. Mcconnells strategy here, what do you think he will try do to try to get a bill through the senate . My guess is that leader mcconnell will take some time here and while he may ultimately pass a bill in the senate, will he send it to conference with the house. And we wont see a product until after the 2018 election. I wanted to ask you about france. How much of a sigh of relief are you, and is this premature, given that le pen doubled her fathers vote and clearly a third of french voters voted for something very different from the vision that most democrats would support here in the United States . Katty as an american, someone who values democracy and european ideals, i did breathe a sigh of relief. Part of the reason she lost is her performance on the oneonone debate with macron where she was just poisonous and engaged in the mud slinging that characterized her fathers career in politics more than hers. And they looked at it and said shes not ready to run the country and her values do not reflect french values. Macron will try to face up to the security and economic challenges that france faces and fail and there will be another round of populism. I think youre right, we shouldnt take too much comfort from this. When you look at the austrian, dutch and now the french elections, there is a reassuring trend of a willingness, barely, for these countries to stay in the eu. And to confront russian aggression, we need our allies. Theres no doubt that russia intentionally interfered in french elections. They engaged in the dump of lots of emails and fake news just before the election that was also, i think, a key part of their interference in our election and all of us in western democracy should sit up and take notice. Thank you so much. Good to see you again. Thank you. Not just seeing a battle between nationalists and globalists. Our next guest says its also the past versus the present. Foreign policy expert joins us with his new book the Great Questions of tomorrow. Well find out what those are, ahead. Hes a nascar champion whos faced thousands of drivers. Shes a worldclass swimmer whos stared down the best in her sport. But for both of them, the most challenging opponent was. 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With with us now from washington, the ceo and editor of the fp group david rothkopf. His new book the Great Questions of tomorrow. A lot of people have questions today, david. Maybe we ought to start there. Joe . I think we may. I would love to talk about your father and sort of the role that he plays in this book. You explaining how sometimes we have to sort of keep more of a level approach to the problems that were facing today. Well, my dad was a holocaust survivor and a bit of a skeptic. I recall going to him once when i was a teenager and seen a movie about nuclear winter, leading to the death of 100 Million People. I was upset. I said thats the end of the world as we know it. In the 14th century, 100 Million People died and the result was the renaissance. And i think as perverse as that sounds, his point was that sometimes we get so caught up in looking at the moment that we see the big opportunities and the big change we fail to see the big opportunities and changes around the corner. Of course, the great challenges that face this country may lead to a renaissance later. Well, i think thats true. Look, were ten years away from the first moment in the history of the world when every human being is connected in a manmade system. Which is to say the internet. That changes everything. How you identify who you are. You dont do it by geography anymore. You do it by affinity, who you connect to. It changes the nature of war, peace, money. It changes the nature of economies, how we govern ourselves, how we view the world. Thats a lot of change. I think its a change on the scale of the renaissance. What weve seen, though is that when big changes like this happen, theres pushback. You look at putin, trump, le pen, all of them are paying saying lets go back in time. Trump wants to go to the gordon gecko 1980s. Putin wants to go to the soviet year. Le pen wants to go to the preeu era because they dont have a solution acres plan to teal with whats really coming down the pike. So what should be the plan if all the great kind of western democracies are struggling with essentially their basic experiment in bringing in new people, immigration and growth at the same time . What can countries like france and germany do to ensure the continuation of that experiment Going Forward and to harness these forces in a positive way, do you think . I think some of whats been done. With you bu theyre having the same problems we have. Old formulas for how do you create a job dont work anymore. We need to come up with new forms for a new era. A fiscal tool and monetary tool wont make any sense in a world of big data where we can actually manage things in a completely different way. We need new leaders who ask new questions about how do we deal with this new reality than those who just want to turn back the clock. Katty kay, i cant picture a leader or formula that will be able to deal with the vast section of society that is left out by these changes. Its interesting to know who is actually looking at this. Some Tech Companies are looking at it. They, more than anyone, are almost aware of the implications of what theyre producing on the labor market. Right. David, are there any political figures who are grappling with the notion that the labor market is about to be radically overhauled and the implications that will have on job loss . I think there are. Finland theyre experimenting with national income, redistribution of wealth in the hightech world. In estonia, theyve decided access to internet needs to be a constitutional right because you cant get a job or compete without it. A variety of experiments are going on in cities and states. In oregon, they changed the way you tax the people who are actually using the roads as to everybody through gps. There are a lot of models, laboratories out there. David, is all this good for china or bad for china . Look, Global Trends are good for china. For all of human history, up until 1835, china was the Worlds Largest economy. The Industrial Revolution set that back. Theyre on pace again. They have experiments in some of their cities that will make them more competitive. We shouldnt underestimate the fact that they are facing the same challenges we do. Theyre going to have real political unrest in the near term. Whats the impact of le pens crushing defeat yesterday . I think its an encouraging sign, as people have said. Well see europe saying no, we cant turn back the clock. We have to continue with the eu experiment. We have to wait and see the reactionary views like trump and putin. Putin, before the election, saw macron up 24 points and wanted to turn it back. He did one of these hacks, and macron gained support in result of the hack apparently. So the tactics didnt work in france and that sends an encouraging signal. David rothkopf thank you very much for being on the show. My pleasure. Sally yates saying she, quote, betrayed the department of justice and calling her very weak on immigration. You dont do that. Do you know why . Because its wrong. Today always comes around. Today she will testify in front of the senate. This always happens. You guys are like not very smart. Theres a bushleague move. Hope you dont make those bush league moves anymore for the sake of this country. Sad. Well set up what could be a blockbuster day on capitol hill. I have spent years taking overthecounter products for my belly pain and constipation. Ive had it up to here its been month after month of fiber. 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The visa Program Allows wealthy foreigners who invest at least half a Million Dollars into the project to obtain u. S. Immigration visas. Kushner, white house senior adviser, sold his stake in Kushner Companies to a family trust earlier this year. Service as chief executive of the company. A Company Spokeswoman later said meyer apologized of mentioning her brother seen as trying to lure investors. They actually didnt mean that. At all. Just enlighten my brother. There was a slide apparently of President Trump in the presentation. Slide says that President Trump will decide ultimately who gets the visa. Which is not totally correct. Which seems to be trading in on the Family Business or the family name in connection with for the Family Business. Kushnerer in company used the visa program in the past. Raising 50 million for a luxury tower that opened late last year. Mark, what are we misunderstanding. This is not the story we want. According to the Washington Post. What was the story they wanted if the fact that seems egregiously inappropriate and beyond the pale. Im not a big fan of that program for anybody. I think its bad policy. Were talking about the program. What is this program. If you invest in american companies, you can buy a visa. I didnt know that that you could buy a visa for like 500,000. If youre an investor. And people in china and middle east take advantage of it. Leaving the program aside. Great they made a lot of money. Great. They really need lawyers on the government end and private companies associated with the trump family to look at this stuff to say what do we need to do to go above and beyond appearances. This is just not the program itself you could say is not part of the point, but think about it with this president. And his issues with immigration. Not worth it. So hes banning muslims and banning everybody, but he will sell visas through his sonsinlaw family. Are you serious . Theres going be a slide of him and thats a mistake. Theyre going to mention the whole family wants everyone to be a part of the estate. Seems to me that you need at the very least, he sold his interest. We have eyes. Seems at the very least white house lawyers need to send out letters to everybody. Connected. To Family Members, to businesses, once connected to Family Members. Still connected to some way. You should not use the name of the president or any Members Associated with this in promoting any of your products. Thats just the best way to avoid. Sold it to a family trust. Theres still the notion there that if the family trust does well, and his business does well. I think the statement ought to be if in any way my family uses this presidency so try to make more money, i will step down. I dont think, you know, you should be in a job as adviser to the president. When your family is just cashing in on a visa program by the way. Let alone in china. Theres so much wrong with this that its really hard to put it into words. Read the Washington Post story. They broke it. Its being sent from the top though. President trump, businesses at his property very often. Probably for the marketing. He himself is not done a great job of trying these bright lines between his business as presidency. So i think its not a great way to do business as mark said. Its hypocrite cal. Its shy. Its cashing in. I think the president ooks at people like Linden Johnson who got rich as president. Says theres precedent for this. We live in a different time. This is not the story we want. What time is that . Surprised they didnt have lawyers going through that presentation. Which you would think if youre the Kushner Family at the moment, you would be lawyered up on this ethnics issue. The fact they had to apologize for it afterwards. Again, it seems to be taken care of moving forward. Have your lawyers write a letter. Notify tall businesses where theres any connection or names on there. You are not allowed to do this. They just have to do it. Nick, thank you for being with us. We greatly appreciate it. Still ahead, sally yates gets ready to go in front of high wattage senate hearing. Preview testimony with former fbi agent and the atlantic. Plus, back to the drawing board. Why some influential republicans want to essentially rewrite the Health Care Overhaul that just passed in the house. I dont think that low income women should be denied their choice of health care providers, family planning, cancer screening, well women care. Its not the only issue in this huge bill, but i certainly think that its not fair and it is a mistake to defund planned parenthood. Do you play . Use the chase mobile app to send money in just a tap, to friends at more banks then ever before. You got next . Chase. Helping you master whats now and whats next. Dry mouth can affect how your mouth feels and how you feel. 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If the beast was slouching towards bethlehem, the beast got chained to the radiator a little while longer and merkel, her party, a surprise victory this weekend. So i think the message from the french elections and the dutch elections back in march is if you can produce a viable candidate, somebody that is attractive and appealing to moderates. You can stop the waive of populism and devote in france. Stop them. Not by reminding french voters of la pens racist past of the zen phobic things shes said. By providing a platform for them that got her support. This is the challenge for moderate parties across all of europe. Because its not enough to just say theyre racist. Theyre by gbi bigots. Thats what a lot of parties have been doing when faced with nationalism and xenophobia. Instead you say i hear you. Ive got problems with open borders as well. Were going fight to secure france. Completely understand. You dont have to go her direction. I hear you. Thats it worked in france. Its what merkel needs to do in germany. Thats what democrats need to do here in the United States. Striking loss for Vladimir Putin who is foreign medaling may have ended up hurting. Good morning, everyone. Its monday, may 8. We have the president of the council or Foreign Relations and author of the world in disarray. In washington. Here in new york, former treasury official morning joe economic analyst steve ratter in, and, of course, you saw washington anchor for bbc world news america. Also with us senior political analyst. You had a big weekend. This was a huge weekend. The Season Finale of the circus. I know i compared a lot of things to the beatles coming to jfk in 64. This was close. Obvious comparison. Last night hour long. Its on demand right now. Very exciting. Thats amazing. More exciting for me was saturday night. Why. Did you not see. I was on featured on saturday night live in the cold opening. Get out. You guys didnt see that. Cold open. I was featured. So saturday night live. Sunday i was on the circuit. You are amazing. I cant believe you guys didnt see that. Im asleep pretty early. Ive got kids. Ill look into it. Well find a clip. Being on saturday night live is cool. It was cool. Well do the news. Well show you on saturday night live. Lets go to france though. I cant wait to see it. Really proud of you. Thats big. Emmanuel macron has been elected the president of france in a landslide victory. Dominant win for the candidate sweeping past far right contender marine la pen. Comes after a runoff election. French Ministry Says they won 66 of the vote compared to 35 . By the way, that is the worst stopping any candidate in france. Since her father. When he got half. Of that. But she still did get a third of votes cast by french voters. Youngest leader of france. In a sweet President Trump big win adding very much looking forward to working with him. Lastonth seemed to show support for le pen tweeting another terrorist attack in paris. The people of france wont take much more of this. Will have a big effect on the french president ial election. In addition to fighting off le pen, subject of last minute hack and release of campaign documents. Some real and some said to be fabricated. Reportedly at the hands of Russian Hackers in a tweet. Hillary clinton also the subject of the Campaign Hack said this. Victory for macron for france, the eu and the world. Defeat to those interfering with democracy. She added this, the media says i cant talk. She should have stopped there. Last word. She just cant help herself. What is it about these two can cats. Cant stop talking about it. Everybody says shes moving forward. Thinking about running next time. Putting together a committee. Put that committee together. Run. Do whatever you want to do. Be involved, but if she and donald trump could look at their calendars and see were now in the middle of 2017 would be helpful for them. Forgot ve she would have change with economic. That is optimism. Economic plan and candidate. Hes got a pedigree. He talked about change. Whats incredible. His party last election got 0 . Got 65 this time. Hes the first person since the fifth republic founded in 65 that didnt come from the two parties. This is a revolution of its own sort. Its a revolution that starts in the cent. France without the money. Essentially doesnt have a party. He has a very centrist. Very proglobalization, proeurope. Very much wanting to get france out of what its in and deal with 9 unemployment. Fix the label laws and move the country forward. The interesting question for him is that a moment. How hes going to governor will be very interesting. To see if someone coming from the outside like that can be effective. Washington post write this. U. S. Politics has created a backlash. That has left isolated. Understanding how putin battling. The United States should provide insight to how foolish the russian autocrat is to make enemies. Reported several sources inside Emmanuel Macrons campaign has stated the russian attempt has hardened his views towards. A look at putin. Begin to question whether he is the bill ends up causing more damage to russias longterm interest than any country he targets. You look at what is hacking in the United States has brought him. Its brought him the inability to ever have sanctions lifted. You have john mccain. Smooth republican saying the cause of the hacking because they tried interfering in elections that hell will freeze over. You look at Rex Tillerson going to moscow. This is a low point of u. S. Russian relations since the cold war. New york times. The wall street journal. This is what the world is waking up to. The financial times. The Washington Post. Without being too harsh this early in the morning, you have a 39yearold incoming president of france. Who Vladimir Putin has just m s pissed off. Now hes going to have a hostile leader in paris. He has roosevelt a lot of angry washington, d. C. It doesnt seem to be the brilliant move. The move everybody claimed it to be. He also has a hostile leader in berlin. Look, look at putins situation. This is a guy who is major seeing a country that has a shrinking population. Down to about 140, 145 Million People. He has virtually nothing going for him economically. His energy tool, which was a big part of russian coercive power is incredibly weak now because of american oil and gas production. All hes got going for him is essentially military force in cyber. What hes trying to do is have influence. Not to make russia great again. That would mean real political and economic reform. He wants russia feared again and respected. Still messing around in ukraine. Does what he did in syria. This is essentially someone trying to act as if hes still running a major world power. Almost like a car trying to run on two cylinders. He simply cant do it. What hes had now is hes been rebuffed in france. Thats a good day. Still ahead on morning joe. President obama says democrats lost their seats for backing Health Care Reform during his administration. Does that same fate await the gop today. Well show you the reception some House Republicans are getting from voters back home. As we go to break, we found it. How he gets break on snl. Theres a lot of people with preexisting conditions who are probably just furious right now. Csection, a csection is a preexisting condition. Its not a preexisting condition. Erectile dysfunction. Hold on. Isnt that interesting. Youre being dramatic. Youre being a little stinker. Let me finish what im saying. Mika. Am i being a stinker. Youre being a stinker thats not going to work. The senate cant be pleased that the house just threw this in their lap. What is their relationship like now . What is their relationship like . Confusing. Willie geist, what are you seeing here. What am i seeing here . 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Who is getting the money who is not getting the money. This is scoring by the cbo. Done by the second of the three health versions of the bill. Third version have not scored yet. Voted without score. Members are not going to change that much. Basically what you can see most importantly is they are cutting 839 billion from medicaid. That is a lot of money to cut. Then still say people are going to get health care. Are they cutting it completely or sending it to the states or is that just pure cut. Cutting. Cutting. They say theyre not cutting. What they are saying is that because medicare expenses are projected to go up a lot. Medicaid, rather. Because of more older people. More sick people. Their cuts would still leave an increase in medicaid. This is a cut from what is projected to be needed to meet the needs of the american people. This is a real affect. Moving the sub cities into tax credits and changing them from being more income based to being more aged base and giving more subsidies to wealthy people. Thats going to have an effect. All that money is going to most of that money is doing to rich people in the face of 622 billion. Tax cuts. Define rich. 250,000. Investment income. People make milliedical devices things like that. 622 billion in tax cuts. For the wealthy americans. Okay. So what does that mean in terms of what happens to insurance. So listen, just go back to last chart for one second. If youre running for office and youre a democrat, the republican haves just made your life so easy. All you say is you know what, they cut 800 billion from the health care for the poorest among us. And gave 600 billion in tax cuts from the wealthiest among us. They can sit there and go up and explain and they can do this and that. Theyre not going to be able to rip that Bumper Sticker off the back of cars. That is the republicans, just as we warned. Just as weve been warning. Nonstop. You have just played into the democrats hand because you had a day trader that was trying to get a rally in the rose garden. He got his rally. Now youve got a hell of a fight on your hands. Nancy pelosi is going to be speaker of the house. I hope it was worth it for you. It was a stupid move to rush through. By the way, please dont lie. Please stop saying on tv. That liberals are the ones asking for a cbo score. Youve asked for a cbo score for years. I know because i was there with you asking for a cbo score for years. Dont vote on a bill if you dont know the bills cause. Dont reorder the economy. One sixth of the economy if you dont even know whats inside the bill. Thats what we made fun of nancy pelosi for seven eight years. You look stupid and did it all because the guy at pennsylvania avenue wanted a press confere e conference. 17 cut in taxes. Giving the republicans. He says thanks, but no thanks. 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The power to connect. And thats what drives us everyday. Including leader mcconnell and others. And everyone is excited and ready to go to work. And take the time necessary to look at the bill, make improvements where they need to be made and the bill will be brought back for a conference. The house bill is not going to come forward. Were going to draft our own bill and im convinced. My goal is to get the 28 million americans who still lack Coverage Today despite the asca. The Health Care Overhaul is set to get a major makeover in the senate with members saying they will retool the past house version rather than trying to pass it. By the way, the Senate Working group. White house chief of staff Reince Priebus referred to is comprised of 13. So why dont they just put a woman in there. Susan player of the year. Lisa is going to be a key player here. Theyre not going to pass anything without their support. So why dont you put them in that working class. I suspect if theyre not formally put in, theyll be put in a different way. Susan collins alone could bring this to a crashing halt. I think on the other side if youre looking to see if theres a chance, i think Mitch Mcconnell has thought this through a lot more than hes shown publicly. Hes got a plan. On the senate that can get through the house eventually. You look at Susan Collins and the power, the priority shes laying out. She wants a bipartisan plan out of the senate. The giant role. When Susan Collins is talking about. What republican governors across the country want. Which is an expansion of medicaid. Because susan clinics and the governors understand what the people dont understand. People are going to get treatment regardless. Might as well make it as official as possible. When you expand medicaid, you make it more efficient. That preexisting conditions are two big problems the senate is going to have with this. That is why. Its the bill that President Trump celebrated so victoriously is not a bill American Voters are ever going to feel the repercussions of. Its never going get passed to law. That would be a question. Semp goi everyone is going to assume this is going to kill the republicans that voted for it. If they dont feel the impact of the bill, i dont know. I think if you voted for it, i can tell you, im here right now and got elected to congress because the democratic i ran against and floated for the tax increases when they went through the house. Did not when they went through the final. And he and a lot of other democrats thoughts that would save them. Still said it never would he gotten that far if he hasnt voted on it. So no. That vote nancy pelosi is right. They will glow. The rest of their political career. At ttattooed on their forehe that vote will glow wherever they move. Even if we finally end up with includes expansion medicaid changes to preexisting. They voted on it. The 30 second commercial is going to be devastating and a lot of republicans are not going to vote for it. Expansion of medicaid. Not going to get an expansion of medicaid. Were not going to get a roll back. We might not get a full roll back. Youve got rand paul. Youve got Susan Collins and ohio. Now youve got pat toomey in pennsylvania. Pat toomey in pennsylvania is not going to vote for the bill. Pat toomey is not going to vote to cut medicaid. Portman is ohio is not going to cut if ron johnson knows what hes doing in wisconsin, i think he does, hes not going to cut medicaid. So in wisconsin. Coming up on morning joe, when it comes to unpredictability, President Trump may have Vladimir Putin beat. The atlantic breaks down a changing dynamic on the global stage of what it means for russias president for life. Morning joe coming right back. My business was built with passion. But i keep it growing by making every dollar count. Thats why i have the spark cash card from capital one. 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Theres a trend of a willingness barely to stay in the eu. Russian aggression and meet allies. I think theres no doubt. Emails and fake news. Area our election and i think all of us in the western democracy should sit up and take notice. Member of the senate Foreign Relations committee, senator chris kuns speaking with us last hour on morning joe. Joining us now. Former fbi agent. Flint watts. Staff writer for the atlantic. Julia and former aide for the george w. Bush white house and state department. Julia, what we did in the south in temples of one syllable turns to four or five. Exactly. Why dont you just admit to us right now that Jeffrey Goldberg is one of the worst bosses. Explain how he throws things around and scream sgls he never smiles. Are you kidding. Hes the smiliest, laughiest, happiest person. Hes wonderful. Hes the best. Come on. You just commute. Say things about your boss on national tv. That was a suckup. Okay. No, hes great. You obviously anyway an awful a lot about putin and what hes doing to the United States. And france. Not that big of a set back, i have to say. Marine la pen made quite o showing. Gave the center right candidate, macron a run for his money. Not likely this is the last weve seen of her. Theyve certainly been helping with waive, this tied of nationalism across both sides of the atlantic. So i dont think its quite over yet. I think were going to be seeing a lot more of russian medaling, russian interference. Russians helping parties like le pens. The battle is won, but the war is not. Despite the fact hes lost about three or four. Right. He wasnt trying to win the election in france. He was trying to undermine macrons mandate to governor. He released the emails only two days out. Theyve got a media blackout. Youre going to see a push towards germany. Theyve got a better shot there. What youve seen above everything that putin has done over the last three years. Hes linked online insurgency of people from the United States, france, germany into one giant community. Its going to undermine every candidate and every elected officials ability to governor Going Forward. I was just in russia about a week ago, from their point of view, first of all they denied they do any of this. Second of all, from their point of view, its like what we do by sponsoring think tank that promote democracy in their part of the world. Theyre saying were promoting our interest in your part of the world. Do they look at us as hip. T hmy father will not speak to me on the phone. Then you have a sense were probably better at this than anybody on the planet. Ours are packaged as usa various programs. Operating nonprofit and they see that as a direct threat. My question for both of you though is this seems to me just to be so much more bla at the present time blatant over the last couple of years. They want people to know theyre interfering. What is the change in that posture mean for how the kremlin is conducting foreign policy. I think youre absolutely right. Thats a great point. From the Russian Point of view from yits right under russia. Its in underbelly. The russians said gloves off. Weve been trying to play nice. Been trying to cover our steps a little bit. You have really tried to mess with us here. Were going to and then also the Panama Papers, the release of the Panama Papers where they revealed Vladimir Putins parts of Vladimir Putins wealth. They were very missed about that. You know, those two things, they basically taken the gloves off and said if this is how your going to play, we can play this game too. Its not going to subsist any time in the near future. We have to remember this is a strategic campaign. Its not about one election. Its about six or seven. They were there in ukraine. You look at what they did in america. And only Hillary Clinton and the people closest to Hillary Clinton really think that putin had more to do with her losing that are Hillary Clinton and maybe comey . Now look at the backlash that its caused. Hes not going to get sanctions. Its worse than ever. You wrote a couple weeks ago, the entire dynamic of mosque and washingtons relationship changed. They are now the ones trying to figure out what were going to do next. I guess, again, everyone likes to paint putin as doctor evil. A mad genius. All hes done is miss off macron and john mccain and Republican Senate that would rather set the chamber on fire thans any russian sanctions. Two points with that. Putin is known to be good tactician, bad strategist. We really havent done anything. We put sanctions on there were still debating in january. Other than that, russia is not going to stop pushing until we meet them aggressively and have a policy stance and put forth. So far in terms of the u. S. We have done nothing. So sad in russia right now. So sad in mosque. They really had such high hopes for trump. Such high hopes that he would lift sanctions unilaterally. After the election, they were posturing like you can lift sanctions if you want. Were not going to give you anything. You put them in place. You remove them. We dont care. Now theyre realizing you know just this is not working out so well for them. You tweeted about this. This interview a couple of trumps back in 2014. Revisited by a boston npr station. Ill just read the word for word. I guess just the reporter dodson. Yes. So i got in the golf cart he says as we were setting off i said eric who is funding. Meaning who is funding the golf course. I know no banks because of the recession. The Great Recession have touch add golf course. No one is funding golf construction. Dead in the water last four or five years and this is what he said. Quote, well, we dont rely on american banks. We have all the funding we need out of russia. I said really . And he said, oh, yeah. Weve got some guys that really, really love golf. And theyre really invested in our programs. We just go there all the time. And you also have junior said most of their money comes from russia. This is the difference between the soviet and russia era. The soviets didnt have business. Didnt have international businesses. Russians now directly or indirectly can tie up the u. S. Can influence western businessmen. And this is a loose ship. Not just with the trumps, but obviously you go to london. It is mosque west. But its not necessarily done with an eye to influence politics in these countries. Mostly its done to launder money. To get money out of russia. To park your assets somewhere. Russia is so the Political Climate is so volatile. You can have a guy knocking on the door taking business away. Taking money away. The faster you get it out of russia. Park it in real estate in london, new york. Park it in a bank in gentlemen knee s have a geneva, the bette after you are. My son is a huge chelsea fan. Hes been sure chelsea has been a Money Laundering scheme for years now. Probably. If so, i wish a russian would buy liverpool. We need a Money Laundering scheme there. The set in the house is overshadowed mie Michael Flynn. Testify in front of Senate Subcommittee about russias efforts to undermine the president ial election. Yates reportedly warned the Trump Administration about major discrepancy and Michael Flynns account of his contacts with russias ambassador. What actually transpired. Flynn later resigned. Since then t president himself has blamed the Obama Administration for not thoroughly vetting flynn. Especially after it was learned he failed to disclose payments from the turkish and russian governments. The president tweeted moments ago, general flynn was given the highe esest security clearance the Obama Administration, but the fake news. He just did this. Seldom likes talking about that. He just did this. He also tweeted this. Ask sally yates under oath if she knows how classified information got into the newspaper soon after she explained it to white house counsel. Question mark. Meanwhile the Washington Post reported this weekend. Some Trump Administration officials warned flynn himself about the risk of his contacts with the russian ambassador. Siting current and former officials, the paper says transition officials warned him in late november that the conversations were probably being monitored by u. S. Intelligence agencies. That would have been a month before he was recorded discussing sanctions with sergey. A lot to cover there. Where do you want to go. Go with the tweet. What a mess. Go with whatever you want to go. What a mess. So the trump tweets. Well start off with that. How ridiculous. The Obama Administration fired flynn. All of these allegations occurred after flynn was fired. This is just ridiculous. This is for people who dont really Pay Attention to details. That is who he is tweeting to. The second part with flynn. He was the head of Counter Intelligence for the whole u. S. Military. For him to repeatedly take these steps and then deny them or not file forms or lie to fbi agents or lie to the Vice President of the United States. Tlen you have to start to wonder is this really about him being compromised by the russians. Ive always given him the benefit of the doubt. Why if you are a Counter Intelligence expert of how many, 30 some years, would you continue to make these mistakes even when you have warnings. From the u. S. Army and Trump Administration. When we have one Trump Administration official after another. Have a meeting which is not controversial in of itself, but then lie about having the meeting. Thats the thing. Right. Its not necessarily controversial. A very social ambassador. He actually you know right after obama won his first election; he had a big dinner for mike mcfall. Later became the ambassador to russia under obama. Nothing necessarily controversial. The question is if youre being warned and you still do it, then youre asked about it and you lie. This is also part of the pattern with the Trump Administration. Until their feet are really held to the fire. They will deny. Theyre still denying. Its like a fiveyearold. Still denying a tweet about obama. I dont even know. What is interesting to me about this story too is the Washington Post reported that members of trumps own Transition Team were concerned about the contacts. That was why they were encouraging mike flynn to read the cias profile of kislyak so he can understand what hes up against and understand the full extent of why kislyak was miking these overtures two him. Shows within the Trump Administration they were so undecided about where they were with russia and you see the competition between those who intend to be more hawkish or russia and someone like mike flynn who thinks he really is going to forge a new alliance with russia. Clint and julia, thank you very much. Both of you. Turn now to cnbc. Sara eisen live at stock exchange. What are you looking at this morning. Guys, good morning. Warren buffett speaking out. Annual Shareholders Meeting for berkshire hathaway. Shoes decent upon oklahoma. Speaking to cnbc all morning long. Some of the highlights from buffet this weekend. Says the new Republican House bill to repeal obamacare is a, quote, huge tax cut for guys like me, and, in fact, he says he did the math and last year, if this bill had been in effect, it would have saved him 17 on his federal income tax. He said thats the one big message out of the bill that is it helps the richest americans the most. He also made some notable comments about some of his biggest investments like wells fargo. Some of the black eyes these companies have faced lately. For instance, wells fargo recently found out that employees had been selling customers phony accounts, Warren Buffett said that hurts wells fargo reputation. Hes also the top shareholder guy in united airlines. Talked about the david dao scandal. Said that was a mace take. Questioned whether the ceo had even seen the video before his First Response where he apologized for reaccommodating the passenger, but he said it doesnt change his Investment Decision in unite. Also wanted to mention quickly a handbag deal happened today. Coach buying rival kate spade. 2. 4 million. I have been waiting for this to happen. Just. So coach doesnt change sort of the feel of the kate spade. Im finally mobilized to boy f buy for the first time. Will they bring their prices down a little bit. Their purses are expensive. You heard it here first. Very bullish on kate spade. I guess. Very expensive. Coach. Please, dont mess with a good brand. Trump just tweeted. Eric trump pushed back on this story. This is 2014 story. Yes. Came out of a golf magazine. Before he cared about cares. In a book now. Promoting the author is promoting a gook. This is clearly a notion. Just for our viewers. I want to make sure eric trump allegedly said this in 2014. Correct. Theres no reason in 2014 for the author to make something up about funding from russia. You said book promotion. Surs face there may be nothing wrong with this. Why not take russian investors and move money through that. Like kislyak, i was going to ask you but we dont have time, the russians must be looking at us in a strange way going, you guys are making a massive deal out of some pretty ordinary stuff that you all do and trying to paint kislyak as a bond villain, even in washington that seems a strange thing, isnt it . Yep. They think weve lost our minds. Weve gotten hysterical and wound up over some pretty mundane things. Good luck with Jeffrey Goldberg. Get him to smile. Just once. Still ahead this morning our next guest it took him seven years to research and write his new book. We will have a little less than that to talk to him about it but well do our best. Tomorrows show former secretary of state Condoleezza Rice will join us live on set. Were back in just a moment. So tell us your big idea for getting the whole country booking on Choice Hotels. Com. Four words, badda book. Badda boom. Let it sink in. Shouldnt we say we have the lowest price . Nope, badda book. Badda boom. Have you ever stayed with Choice Hotels . Like at a comfort inn . Yep. Free waffles, cant go wrong. I like it. Promote that guy. Get the lowest price on our rooms, guaranteed. When you book direct at choicehotels. Com. Book now. Im dr. Kelsey mcneely and some day you might be calling me an energy farmer. Energy lives here. Wearing powerful sunscreen . 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What do you think . Not bad. Havent been seen in weeks no with one knows where she is or up to. Your Mission Today is to answer this question. Where in the world is Kellyanne Conway here to help them solve the case its acme senior agent greg lee. Hey hey, gum shoes hope youre excited. Todays winner gets a trip for you and your mom to sacramento. Now, are you guys ready to help us find Kellyanne Conway . Well, we dont want to find her. I guess thats our show. Yeah. Seven weeks in a row and no one wants to find that woman. Where in the world is Kellyanne Conway oh, my gosh. Joining us now, i have no idea, author and political historian alvin fellsenberg, his book a man and his president s the political odyssey of william f. Buckley. Thank you so much for being with us. Of course on the cover a picture of buckley and reagan. Yes, sir. You write in the book that buckleys impact on the rise of reagan just cant be overstated . Ronald reagan said that William Buckley did more than any other person to guide reagans long journey from liberal democratic to conservative republican. Reagan was reading the magazine years before he met bill and took it to heart. And buckley also, from goldwater forward, you actually say in the postwar he was the most influential ideological voice that america had . I would say that at all time. I could not find a private citizen with the kind of impact and influence William Buckley had in the course of a half century moving the country to his point of view, when he started out the country was overwhelmingly liberal you say in american history. In american history. I can think of many, many writers who had an impact. Here was a man that helped elect president s, who advised president s. Many newspaper columnists presume to do that, they dont form movements, they start movements and organization, so many tentacles to the man. He enjoyed so many platforms and used them at once. I mean, television, radio, college lecturing, Young Americans for freedom. Right. Cpac. You name the organization. The man never held public office. Ran once and got 13 of the vote. But it was a great race. It took you seven years to put this together. Yes, mika. Was that was that what was the challenge . The challenge is what to leave out. Yeah. Ill never write about a writer again. Yeah. The man left 5,000 boxes of letters and drafts. He left behind maybe 5,000 newspaper columns, 1500 firing lines, 50 books and, of course, voluminous letters to people like me. Yeah. To sort through. This is quite a hypothetical but we cant help but to wonder what would William Buckley think of the state of conservatism in america right now. Oh, my goodness. Good question. He left a couple hints. He did write a piece for wine aficionado in 2000 when donald trump was thinking of running on the reform party. Buckley was very concerned about what he called the [ inaudible ] personality. He believed in institutional chebs and balances. The power of congress. Buckley, remember, under four republican president s he was not afraid to go to opposition when he disagreed with george bush about the war, disagreed with Dwight Eisenhower about dismantling the new deal or richard nixon, among all things, china. He was not afraid to say that, that there is a republican party, theres a conservative movement, maybe they are traveling companions, fellow travelers but theyre not the same thing. What is buckleys most significant legacy . Is it the election of Ronald Reagan or bigger than that in . He took a movement, took a philosophy that was seen on the fringes of american politics and he made it what a trilling he said it was a philosophy of discontent and complaint, cranks, occasional remnants of the past who are upset about things, but he took it from the fringe and made it one of two competing respectful political philosophies and he did it by policing it very carefully. He said his greatest legacy was not even what i just said, but his greatest legacy keeping the Movement Free of big got, cookes, antisemites the man and his president s the political odyssey of william f. Buckley. Thank you so much. Thank you. Very, very much. Congratulations. Thank you. Youre finally finished. Finally finished go have a drink. All right. That does it for us this morning. Condoleezza rice will be among our guests tomorrow morning on morning joe. Were looking forward to that. And stephanie ruhle, picks up the coverage, say nothing, joe, right now. Thanks so much. Good morning. Im stephanie ruhle. We have a lot to cover here, starting with breaking her silence, sally yates the former acting attorney general who warned the white house about Michael Flynn testifies publicly today. What will she say about what the Trump Administration knew . She apparently has some information as to who knew what when. Not without a fight. The former president speaks out for the first time about his namesake health care law. It does require some courage to champion the