Ataeng Voter Registration event in that state. Trumps running mate mike pence will attend a rally in virginia. That does it for us on it f monday. Morning joe starts right now. This man is clearly unfit to be commander in chief. Wrong. He is a bully. Shut up. He started the birther movement. You did. He says Climate Change is a hoax invented by china. Its pronounced jina. He hasnt released his tax returns which means hes either not that rich. Wrong. Not that charitable. Wrong. Or not paid taxes in thhis life. Warmer. Amazing. Great writing. Im going to have to go with the somersault. It was a good somersault. Harold ford, jr. , how are you doing . Good. Good morning. University of michigan. Go blue. They looked good this weekend. We got to keep at it. Were not alabama. Were trying. Were alabama of the north. Well take it. The engine that could. You think you can. You think you can. Red sox made it into the playoffs. The indians. Giants. We mourn for Claire Mccaskill. How about the metropolitans making it in . Very exciting. And your chicago cubs, chicago. 102 wins this year. Best team in baseball. Unbelievable. Quick question before we dive into all the crazy stuff that went on this weekend. You need to be on seven days a week is what i think. There was so much. Let me ask something. Something i dont understand. So all throughout december, january, february, march, april, when it didnt really matter, Media Outlets have 30 polls a day. There were polls every single day. We cant get one now. And this is the biggest debate ever. This debate is going to change things forever. So were going to be watching. Nobody has done a poll. Were in a drought. Let me ask you, mark, because if i was a conspiracy theorist, i would think they had taken polls and they didnt like the trend lines. Why would you not take a poll why wouldnt cnnbc, abc, cbs. The Washington Post did a poll on likability. We know theyre all hated. You dont have to waste my sunday morning telling me that everybody hates these two characters. There are some poll numbers coming. Why havent they done them this past week . Its stupid. Its insanity. They spend millions and millions of dollars and we still have no idea what is the answer . There is no good answer. We have no idea how americans really reacted to the debate. Why would that be . It has to do with the fluke of scheduling and budgets. Thats theres some coming. Whoever schedules and budgets should be fired because fox news is the only network that has done a poll postdebate. Okay, listen. This is what were going to do. Were going to get your calendars out. Everybody get your calendars out. Were going to do a poll on march 12th, 14th, 16th, 19th, 1 21st, 22nd. Well run out of money at some point but we dont run out of money until the first debate and then well wait a month and whats up . That was my pet peeve for the weekend. How was your weekend. It is great. Did you see the tennessee georgia game. Tennessee is coming back. Did you see the game . First of all, tennessee won and then georgia had won and ten seconds left georgia penalty on the kickoff and josh dobbins threw one deep. 150 Football Games on the weekend. There really are. I know everybody is really ticked off about donald trump not paying taxes for, like, 78 years. Whatever. Im bummed about the tweet storm. Im going to say what im more bummed about joe scarborough, you like rich people. No. Its kind of like, im not offended by mitt romney paying 14 taxes. Im not offended by barack obama paying 19 taxes. Im noted o offended by donald p not paying taxes for 15 years. Paul ryan, 20 tax rate. I pay a 55 tax rate so im a sucker, right . I share your suckerdom. I need a failing casino or whatever barack obama and mitt romney have. They pay 14 and 20 and paul ryan pays 20 . The thing is, my feeling is i think most americans are this way. If you follow the law, you follow the law. What im offended by is a system that allows people like donald trump to fly around on jumbo jets and live in the most opulate places on planet earth and have the best golf courses and not pay taxes. Am i supposed to be mad at donald trump for that or am i supposed to be mad at government and congress for that . Its a scam. Its like hedge funders that make billions of dollars and are offended if someone comes along saying they should pay more than 14 taxes. That to me seems to be the real scam. People are mad at me for saying this. Most americans are, like, pay taxes that youre legally required to pay and were good. With donald trump, if he would say what you said and said i figured out a way to take advantage of the code. I paid no taxes. I took a loss. Im speculating. I dont know if the New York Times story is true. If theyre true, he should say that. He said all of that. He wont show us why hes such an expert in this. I said on meet the press yesterday the times story was hyped. Great journalism. Glad they did it. Important to get as much information about his taxes as possible. Great story. Story is premised on saying he could have paid zero taxes but premised every year for the last 18 years what he made in the first year and im sure he made more. Im wondering if youre donald trump and your stick is
strength. Im stronger than everybody. Im going to pound everybody. Theyre suckers. Ill make the biggest deal. Is the press, the liberal press, are they focusing on him too much not paying taxes legally, legally, when they should be focusing on him losing a billion dollars. Seriously. So seriously, youre going to do for america what you did for hey, thanks but no thanks. Well go with the lifelong bureaucrat. That seems to be what supporters would be more offended by. I think youre at the rub and where were at another fork in the road. Media will talk probably for ten days about how he paid no taxes. Voters are probably to the degree that people on the fence are struggling with these candidates, theyre probably more upset that he called Miss Universe woman fat than they are about any part of the tax what about his speech the other night . My god. He accuses hillary of the most
outrageous slanderous things. The worst moment as a candidate was physical mockery of a disabled person. Now hes mocked Hillary Clinton where we know she was sick with pneumonia. Press will talk for a week. People are worried about other stuff. The press is going to talk about them not paying taxes when, again, i think the voters that would not vote for trump because of this story would be because he lost a billion dollars in a year. Wait a second. This guy is going to do for us what hes done for himself. Thanks but no thanks. Thats the only tax record we have of him. Then you can go down all of the other stuff. You go to speeches where hes mocking Hillary Clintons pneumonia and having a terrible moment when he makes an assumption about Hillary Clintons personal life and her personal morality out of absolute left field. I think thats, again, if
something happened this weekend to reinforce that donald trump is not fit to be president for people who dont believe hes fit to be president , it was the speech and not the tax issue, i think. What about you . I agree with you on that. I still think that beyond the taxes and the billion dollar loss or billion dollars in of course, whatever it is. The temperament issue is still a driving issue for voters. I think for those voters strongly for or against trump, thats dispositive. They moved on. They know what will give them their support or take the support away. But for those other voters out there that trump are still trying to convince, many of them republicans by the way and women. And women. That temperament argument as displayed against this weekend is going to be a driver for them
for the next 40 less days of this campaign. It is. Im going to ask both of you quickly on the tax issue i brought up earlier. We have three republicans here. This is a world record for msnbc. And, well, any network, actually other than fox. Michael steele, ill start with you. Do you agree with me or not that the real outrage here on this tax story is that youve got guys that can live like donald trump paying zero percent in taxes and hedge funders pay 14 in taxes. For me to say as small Government Conservative that Warren Buffett is right. If you make a billion dollars you should at least pay 30 in taxes of year if your secretary is paying 28 in taxes a year . As they say, dont hate the player, hate the game. If you have the ability to take advantage of i understand that. Im talking about what the game should be . Absolutely they should be changed. No doubt about that. When you set aside in the tax code an ability to sort of hide Investment Income or treat Investment Income differently from regular income when all you get is Investment Income, yeah. Those types of nicole, somebody works their ass off all year and pay 28 in taxes all year. Somebody else comes into the year worth 3 billion and figures out how to be worth 5 billion a year should they pay 14 as americans . Its galling to the public if they can get their brain around these massive sums of money. Its why occupy wall street had legs. Its why elizabeth warrens message about income inequality will resonate with not just the
far left but parts of our base too. You look at Donald Trumps tax policy and its more of the same. I thought that trump surrogates were completely over the top yesterday in saying this is an example of his genius. If it were so, why not release taxes in his opening speech. This is squarely his brand. I figured out how to use it. Lets show clips with giuliani and Chris Christie call him a genius and then Mark Halperin will respond to that. Whats your response to this story . My response is hes a genius. Absolute genius. I rather have a genius that understands the tax code that wants to reform it. No one has shown more genius in their way to maneuver around the tax code and genius of donald trump has been to make sure that he follows the law. The man is a genius. He knows how to operate the tax code for the benefit of the
people hes serving. It was very interesting i thought yesterday in the giuliani interview with jake tapper. I have never seen anybody bring chains to the interview but jake tapper did. Did you guys see that . Rough stuff. Jake has had a great cycle. In that case, as some would say, everybody was a little overboard. I dont know it thrusting it at him it works. The problem is not hiring a great accountant and taking deductions. The real estate lobby gives donations to politicians and gets favorable tax laws. The system is rigged. The system is rigged because of special interest. Its like hedge funders. They rigged the system so they can make billions of dollars and pay 14 in taxes. Theres no indication while i pay 55 in taxes. Theres no evidence that donald trump has a plan to reduce the interest of special interests. Hes not proposed his tax plan is, like, its just the same thing over the past 30 years. Give the rich more. Except for hedge funders. He wants to change that. How much do you think thats going to happen, please. Seriously. Anybody . Ill bet you a pickup truck. If there are any reforms, if donald trump is president of the United States and we have the same congress. Everybody agree . There wont be. None. Its what people are pissed off. And this is, i think, harold, the danger of having donald trump if you get past the foreign policy, youve got a guy that is not going to have the
where with all to sit down with paul ryan and Mitch Mcconnell and everybody else and democrats who get a lot of money from hedge funders, too, and say do not even think were going to pass a bill until you reform the tax code to make sure people that make billions of dollars a year pay more than 14 in taxes other that donald trump can fly around in a jumbo jet for 30 years and pay zero percent taxes for 15 of those years. I think its difficult for an average family, working man, working woman in the country, to understand how he has his names emblazened on buildings and if hes taken advantage of these deduction, the people paying it are every day working people. You dont fault trump for having aggressive accountants, do you . At the end of the day as much as christie and giuliani say
hes a genius, hes a genius exploiting every day working people. Everybody you work with does. No, they dont. Majority of people i work with pay the same rate. I pay the rate you pay. Your bosses do. No, they dont. I dont work at a hedge fund. My point is this, this is about trump. My point is that what donald trump is doing i think this is i dont mean to interrupt you. Im obviously way off here as far as i think the problem is that we have the system that allows the richest of the rich to do what donald trump has done. Thats why he is where he is. You ask the top real estate people and top hedge funders, he hasnt paid taxes in years. Good for him. What im saying is nobody is shocked going, my god, he took advantage of every legal tax
loophole he could. Nobody is shocked on wall street about that. They say he would be a sucker if he didnt. Not everybody is saying that. If hes done this, he should share it and we should understand how he did it and constructive for the rest of the country ton understand how hel change the tax code. I havent heard him lay out anything he would change other than to say im a genius and smart not to pay taxes. It you get up every day and you dont benefit from Investment Income, its difficult for you to understand how a guy that wants to be president has paid no taxes. We understand that. Im saying it is difficult for connect these dots. I blame him. Im not going to let him off the hook because hes taken advantage of the system. You and michael and nicole are right. Hes probably filollowed the rules. I dont know. Again, nobody at this table, im sure, and, michael, nobody would fault for taking every
deduction he can take. No am i. I dont know that for fact. This is all speculation. If the times story is right, nobody faults him for that. Again, because i know people get confused sometimes at home because theyre eating cheetos for breakfast and you should not put whole milk over your cheetos, people might be confused. I think its gross. Its the system that we have. I dont mean to suggest its the system that his entire candidacy is animated by. His entire reason for winning was that he was running against a rigged system that he had exploited his entire career. I remember mitt romney started alluding to what might be a whopper if his tax returnsver came out in the heat of the republican primary. He hinted at this. I dont know if it was rumored or suspected. I remember at the time the reason that this is not as
damaging to him as a normal politician is that hes running as a scoundrel and a guy that has worked the system. I agree with that. At the end of the day why do we think if the rules were written to favor the average worker that they wouldnt likewise take advantage of those rules . Thats the whole crux of what were talking about here. Those rules arent written so that they get some benefit as well. Written to their disadvantage and to those that have the means. Our system is so screwed up. You have 45, maybe 45 of americans who dont pay any income tax at all. None at all. Then youve got the people at the very top that pay absolutely no taxes at all. And then you have a family that works hard and maybe a Small Business owner that maybe they make 250,000 a year, sending four kids off to college, if they live in connecticut at least, theyre paying 55 of
their income to state, local and on national levels. People are getting screwed. The middle class is getting screwed. Unfortunately i dont think donald trump is a guy thats going to go in and reform it. He could. Maybe well be shocked. There are three problems. One, he must release his tax returns for the last ten years at least. He must. Its inappropriate to run for president and not. Hes not going to. Weve had this conversation. Two, there are years in which hes paid no taxes. We know that. We dont know how many. He must speak to i dont like government spends its money. Tens of millions of americans pay taxes even though they dont like it. He needs to address failure to serve in the military, pay taxes, how does he feel about that . Third thing, no one is suggesting hes broken the law. Until we see his tax returns, we dont know if accountants were overaggressive in exploiting the tax law. We dont know. Well said. Okay. Kim kardashian is robbed at gunpoint in paris by people dressed as police. Shes okay. You said 45 of americans some dont pay taxes. There are a lot of people at the very low end. I dont know if anybody at this table who would trade with that person. There may be people who would trade at the top end. Low end is people earning between 20,000 and 45,000 a year. Its that part where he says hell exempt that people from paying taxes. We have to be careful. I dont know of anybody that would want to trade im not saying i want to
trade with anybody. Im just making a point that we have a tax system that is really, really screwed up where you have half of americans not paying income tax. Almost half of americans not paying income tax and then people that run the world paying 14 . While secretaries pay 28 and Small Business owners that bust their life their entire life, 50 of their monday confiscated by governments like connecticuts that are extraordinarily inefficient that they cannot one state at random, if you go to get your drivers license youre in line for 2 1 2 hours. Power stays out for a week. If wind blows 15 miles an hour, lights are out for at least ten days. If youre lucky. And were paying for that . Im sorry. I get a lot Better Service in florida when i was paying zero
percent income tax to the state government. Thousand times better. Everybody is, like, poor florida. Bull. Bull. You have a category 4. The lights are on the next day. You want your drivers license. You go in. I would like to renew my drivers license. Whats your name . My name is joe. Who told you to move to a state named after nutmeg. Its a lovely state otherwise. I love the state. I am going to be there the rest of my life i would prefer not to pay 55 taxes the rest of my life. I can handle it. If youre a plumber working there your entire life and you have three kids and you want one them to go to uconn and another bu and another one somewhere else, im good. That plumber cant. Now, when we come back, donald trump was doing it to try to distract from the New York Times story. He had this crazy speech. Some would say a meltdown. I think it was all planned. All in a days work. He said some really crazy things. Well talk about that. Also, the New York Times reporter david barsow will be here and robert costa has new details on Chris Christies role in trumps debate prep and stewa Stuart Stevens. First, heres bill karins. Youre tracking a major storm in the caribbean that looks bad for jamaica. Did this thing jump from category 1 to category 5 in, li, no time. In about 24 hours. One of the top five most quickly
intensifying hurricane. This is what were going to see. We wont see too much wind damage. Not direct hit of the eye. Well see a lot of flooding and possibly historic flooding in areas of haiti. Category 4 storm. Winds at 130 miles per hour. Forecast takes it over the next 24 to 48 hours for eastern cuba. Maybe landfall in haiti on the southeast corner. Most of it will head up toward the winds toward cuba. Haiti, watch out. Could get three feet of rain. Heres the forecast path from the hurricane center. All eyes are on what happens once it gets to the bahamas. Cone of uncertainty rakes the coast of florida including North Carolina, south carolina. Close to the United States as category 2 to 3 hurricane thursday into friday and most computer models take it in that general path. Dangerously close to areas of eastern North Carolina as we go throughout friday into saturday. If youre from florida through
the southeast coast, well have to update this forecast throughout the week and give you more specifics as we pinpoint who is going to get the worst effects from a powerful hurricane matthew. A shot of d. C. Sunshine today through the northeast and midatlantic today. Youre watching morning joe. Well be right back. She has been a disaster. Heres a woman that is supposed to fight all of these Different Things, and she cant make it 15 feet to her car. Give me a break. Give me a break. Give me a break shes home resting right now. Shes getting ready for her next speech which is going to be about 15 minutes in two or three days. I have a great temperament. I have in my opinion its like one of my strongest things. I have a winning temperament. Now, shes got bad temperament. She could be crazy. She could actually be crazy. Hillary clintons only loyalty is to her financial contributors and to herself. I dont even think shes loyal to bill you want to know the truth. And really, folks, really, why should she be, right . Why should she be . Go. Respond. Mocking her health scare. Talking about his temperament and then moving onto speculating about her personal life in a way that is so over the top. Ive never seen anything like this. This was the fork in the road. Unless it was about me. Im talking about another candidate. Ive never seen one candidate say this about another candidate. I talked about the fork in the road where the media is going to talk about taxes for ten days in the media around
tables like this. This is the stuff that at the gut level people are rejecting. This is the stuff that if i were running against him, i would want to make sure everybody saw. These are the traits that sort of reinforce her core message which is that hes temperamentally unfit to be president and you watch that, whats the other side . He is . They had to make a choice about what would be the case they make . They picked that he would not have the temperament and proper behavior to be president. He has spent from the debate night through saturday night and on his twitter account every moment giving them more and more material on this very point. He went straight from this universe which he got behind. He stopped on friday, i guess it was, and then we have this. And i asked one of his advisers over the weekend. I said it seems you talk about a choice im for him because im not for her. He has a choice. Tweet and lose. Smash the phone with a hammer and maybe stay in that. Hes made that choice. The thing is, you look at what he did the week after the debate. Listen, i think the debate would have been a wash at the end of the day because he was strong the first 20, 30 minutes. If we ever get a poll again before we all die how about that for a standard. He made it through 20 minutes. The other 70 sucked. He would have survived it unchanged. You know why he would have survived it because people watched the first 20 to 30 minutes and said okay and moved on. If he said it was my first debate, i think i did okay, but ill do better next time. A war all week with Miss Universe. Hes freaked out about this. Im sure hes freaked out about this tax story when in fact its what he did in response to the tax story thats damaging to the most College Educated people and
women and suburbanites he needs on his side. That speech was saturday night. Most people havent seen that speech or even the excerpts we ju showed. Its confounding to his supporters and you see another wave of republicans freaking out that hes behaving exactly the way its as if robby mook calls him up saying this is what we need to do to reinforce the notion you dont have the tem r temperament to be president. People were pleading with trump to stop attacking the khan family. Same thing happened this past week with Miss Universe. Everybody, including the family, was saying stop attacking this woman. And so he stops attacking her on friday, i guess. I havent seen anything since then. And then saturday hes talking
about Hillary Clintons sex life suggesting that she has been unfaithful. I mean seriously, coming from him, its remarkable. I always said let he who is without sin cast the first stone. He should not be throwing stones at glass houses nor should a lot of his surrogates and i would suggest nor should any of us and yet theyre doing it. Hes doing it in the middle of a political speech along with mocking her for passing out. But thats been the protocol for donald trump from the very beginning. Were in october. The election is a month from now. Its not going to ever end, is it . Its not going to end. I dont know why folks seem to expect that it will. This is the m. O. This is the way its going to be. Donald trump is the one who decides how much fuel to put on the fire and when ultimately to
put the fire out. Hell put the fire out when hes ready to start another one. Thats what we saw this week. From machado story to where we are now, he decided this story wouldnt last the entire week and then on friday he extinguished it on and friday he lit a new one. Were here now on monday talking about that new fire. This is his m. O. Keeps him in the news and in the cycle. Why . He knows and his people know and his people tell him every day and his family tells him every day he needs to lay off of this if he wants to win suburban voters. If he wants to win. He goes around talking about winning pennsylvania. Aint going to happen if you offend half of the swing voters in the suburbs of philadelphia, we he does every day with these sort of remarks. We know the kind of voters he needs to win over. People uncomfortable with her record of being in the government for very long time and of having all of these
things that have sort of stuck to her. Scandals and questions about how forthcoming she is. Weve talked to these voters on the fence. He is giving them reason to land on her and hes giving them reason to say, you know what . I was willing to give him a chance, but he freaks me out. I dont want that guy in charge of our military. I dont want that guy in charge of our foreign policy. I thought i might want him in charge of our economy. I dont know. Hes freaking people out. Is that really the case though . The mysterious polls we havent seen yet, this is still i was in North Carolina and talked to swing voters and registered republicans. They are uncomfortable with him. Hes giving them more examples of why theyre uncomfortable than reasons to feel reassured. You know what i found is its interesting and we were talking about this on friday. Trump, if he would just get out
of his own way, is everybodys default. Like theyre his default position. He has one scandal. One explosion. People run away from him. They come back. They slowly but surely come back. He has the khan problem. They run away. Comes back. They come back. You know why . In this year of change, mark, we may not get it but trump is the default position for swing voters. But hes not getting out of the way. Hes not letting them come to him too be their default. With a better performance and a little luck, he would be a 265 electoral votes but his staff set a low bar for him. He acts disciplined for three hours and they get excited and say, look, he can do it. What are they supposed to do . Smash the phone. They do. Do you think steve bannon is running around and Kellyanne Conway is running around, great, he questioned Hillary Clinton theyre not. He was on prompter saturday night. There was a teleprompter. My gosh. It took him 25 minutes to get to it. They give him a prompter story. They want him to stay on prompter. A Washington Post story where he tried to get through 25 minutes and just kept going off. It was unbelievable. Tragedy is in some ways the country embraces this. And if numbers are as close as they are we have no numbers. You know why we have no new numbers . Well get 42 million votes. The numbers are coming. Before this show is on again, i predict youll have polling. We have fox news poll. Where is one . Up five in that one. Up five in that one. Thats one poll. Great. Bloomberg, there would be you guys would put a poll out. Just you wait. We have been waiting. Its been over a week. Coming up, mikas most televised polling places. Shes concerned about what happened to Kim Kardashian in a paris hotel. Well be back. For a while i thought he turned a corner. This last week has been frankly a lost week and a week which has hurt him and shaken his own supporters. And you cant tweet at 3 00 in the morning. Period. Theres no excuse ever. Not if youre going to be president of the United States. You work at ge . Yeah, i do. You guys are working on some pretty big stuff ov tre, right . Like a new language for crazybig, worldchanging machines. Well, not me specifically. I work on the industrial side. So i build the worldchanging machines. I get it. You cant talk because its super highlevel. No, i actually do build the machines. Blink if what youre doing involves encrypted data transfer. Wait, what . Wowwww. Wow . What wow . There is no wow. Im one unlucky guy. The chance of being involved in a robbery is 1 in 757. The chances of being struck by lightning. [thunder] [coughs] 1 in 750,000. [ding] woman on p. A. please fasten your seatbelts for unexpected turbulence. Announcer the chances of being a victim in an airline crash, 1 in 29 million. Hey could i get some peanuts . The chances of being involved in a car crash are far greater than lightning strikes and plane crashes. And if you are texting while driving, your risk of crash increases 23 times. Now, i may be an unlucky guy, but i dont have to be part of that statistic, and neither do you. Drive responsibly. Bp gives its offshore teams 24 7 support from onshore experts,
so we have extra sets of eyes on our wells every day. Because safety is never being satisfied. And always working to be better. You know nothing. You are gary johnson. So trump, whats he up to . Is he leading up to something . I know you cant say it on tv. Is there going to be a Conspiracy Theory that trump is building up to . Look who is around donald trump right now. Dave bossi. Conservative that worked for dan burton in the house of representatives. Hes been investigating the clintons personal lives for a quarter century. Kellyanne conway. Bannon around this stuff for a long time. In the world of the clintons there is reportable things and gossip. So youre saying that trump is planning to come out with some revelation . I think hes tempted to. He said it at the debate. He said he would Say Something at the debate and then decided not to. Between that and wikileaks thing, theres a possibility that october surprise of the tax return is going to be an appetizer on both sides. All right. And also, in the news, my gosh, columbia. I cannot believe the people rejected an opportunity to make
peace in a 50year civil war. They voted down the peace agreement, which is pretty shocking. Well talk about that when we get somebody on set. With gary johnson maybe. I bet actually he doesnt know where aleppo is, i bet he knows where colombia is. I bet hes purchased products from colombia. Donald trump, 900 million new reasons to release his tax returns . But his 90 billi 90 billion dol 90s. Well find out if the document is legal. Morning joe coming back. [quack ] medicare only covers about 80 of your part b medical expenses. The rest is up to you. So think about an aarp Medicare Supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare Insurance Company. Like any standardized Medicare Supplement insurance plans, they help cover some of what medicare doesnt pay. So dont wait. Call now wbr id wbr28034 to request your free decision guide and learn more. b
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york times. He doesnt speak for the table. He does not. Happy to explain. We apologize. I used the word speculation also. I wont let mark hang. You go with the first question since you were launching the trumplike insults. Now its a great story. He didnt pay federal taxes. Might not have paid federal taxes for 18 years. He made more money in subsequent years than in the first years. We dont know based on documents whether he paid federal taxes or not. Its a totally fair question. I can tell you that when i wrote the lead and i use that phrase could have i didnt use it lightly. Its not a phrase that normally shows up in the lead of a New York Times story. We felt it was appropriate in this case. The first is, when youre
showing a loss of 916 million. For the ordinary person out there, they have no idea what the implication of that number might actually be. The implication one of the implications is that you can under these wonderful provisions in the irs tax code, you can write that loss off against another 916 million of income going 15 years forward and three years back. And its important for people, i think, who dont who are not experts on the tax code and arent in the line of work that youre in, and maybe arent as familiar with the stuff as you might be, for them to see immediately and instantly here is actually the most important implication that flows from this number. The other thing is weve been studying his Business Affairs for months. We look carefully at the question of is it possible that in 1996 he made a billion dollars. We dont see any evidence of anything like that at all. In fact, if you look at the tax return that we published, what you see is income coming in that 10 to 15 million range. What this 916 million loss means is that he could have avoided paying taxes on up to 50 million a year for this 18year period. Based on everything that we know. Based on everything weve done, we have a hard time seeing how he could have been getting consistently to that 50 million range per year. So thats the reason. Tell the story, you were saying in the break that you cant tell the whole story. Tell us everything you can tell us about how you came to possess
these documents. The miracle of this story is that the person who sent them to us happened to send them to one of the reporters in the newsroom who is obsessive about checking her mailbox. A great reporter. Ill be the first to confess, i could go weeks without checking my mailbox. I shutter to think that i could have come to my mailbox the day after election day and found this. What do you know from the envelope and from the return address . First of all, anyone can write whatever they want on the return address. What we have said is what was written on the return address indicated that it came from trump tower. Theres more to this story. Im not going to go into it right now because were still
chasing. David, thank you for being with us. We greatly appreciate it. We apologize for Mark Halperin. We have to do that a lot. All right. Fascinating story. Coming up, by almost all accounts, Hillary Clinton won the first president ial debate. So did mitt romney four years ago. Well talk to romneys chief strategy about the head to head dynamics heading into the second showdown and asking Mark Halperin why hes going to the Vice President ial debate on tuesday in the middle of virginia when we return. Jake reese, day to feel alive jake reese, day to feel alive
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other losses so he may have never paid federal taxes. We jump on 45 of americans earning 30,000 a year. Their tax returns dont look like that. Great story. I salute the New York Times. It is my newspaper. Its one of the greatest. As i say all the time to my friends at the times, i buy two every day. One to read. One to burn in the backyard every day. Its a great story. Opening the mail thing, theres a little opened the mail and did some good reporting. Thats how Great Stories can start. Welcome back to morning joe. Mika has the morning off. Thank god shes not here to see this. Monday, october 3rd. We have managing editor of Bloomberg Politics and cohost of with all due respect mark
halperin and also msnbc political analyst and professor at the university of Michigan School of go blue. What a weekend this weekend. Big win. Coach is crazy. Got to keep it going. Coach is crazy. Assionate. Hes crazy. Former democratic congressman harold ford jr. And Michael Steele and joining the conversation, msnbc political analyst and political reporter for the Washington Post and msnbc political analyst, robert costa. All right. So, robert, youre the trump expert here. What the hell is going on . What are they doing . First beauty queens, the family and people close to trump get him off beauty queen and he starts mocking hillary for having pneumonia and suggesting that she had a spate of affairs. Theyre trying to turn a corner. Wait. Wait. Wait. Who is trying to first of all, who is trying to turn the corner . The people around trump. Okay. So theyre trying to get trump to turn the corner . I havent spoken to trump himself. I do know according to several people in trumps circle they went to new jersey on sunday for all afternoon and tried to tell the candidate its imperative that you get ready for the st. Louis town hall debate on october 9th. They had Chris Christie, the new jersey governor walk through how to do town halls and share some tactics and have a rapid fire. Not a mock debate but intense debate session. Rudy giuliani was there as well. Is donald going to listen . He thinks i went up against this Chris Christie and obliterated him. What can he teach me . Isnt that how donald trump
thinks . Perhaps. One notable thing about this sunday session is that the group was smaller. Youve had a sprawling crowd around trump at previous debate prep sessions especially before the first debate. Generals, family members, friends. This past one on sunday, just a few advisers, giuliani, christie. Okay. So lets go to the news. We have two things going on. We had the New York Times story and then trumps eruption after the New York Times story. Lets talk about the New York Times story first. My take last hour was people that want to support trump, they dont care that he hasnt paid taxes in 15 years because thats him knowing how to play the system. But they might care about the fact that he lost a trillion dollars in one year. Do you think this is a story that swing voters care about . The loss is more of a story than trump evading taxes. Going around to states doing
focus groups thats one poll i never did. I never did. Hes coming to america. But its been surprising in focus groups how little impact all of Hillary Clintons attacks on trumps taxes had postdebate. I thought it was a withering assault. Hes smart. He said that all along. I know how to game the system. You need to have somebody that knows how to fix the system that i game d, right . Hes been forthright about it. It is interesting that what robert just described, the debate prep that theyre doing, he still is not putting in the time and discipline doing rapid fire. Thats just, like, practicing by doing a sprint and not making him go through sustained 90 minutes of rough and tumble. Were probably not going to see a change in performance. Harold, you have run like me. You are what you are. I dont know how you get ready for debates. I had my way of getting ready for debates. I had my way of getting ready for election day. And i did it. Over and over. Just like, you go in and if youre a batter and you have twitches and tweets. Getting ready for this show there are things that work for me getting ready and things that dont work getting ready for this show. The thing that hes done throughout the campaign, the attacks and the unconventional if not all together rude andsen understand what it takes to move around a room. Town hall session is different. Chris christie to his credit in that primary, he did take marco rubio down aggressively and effectively. He has the ability to hes not going to change. Hes not going to be prepping. Hes not going to sit there going the rebels in colombia. I dont believe this. By definition and no one can teach him and prep sessions are useless. What did you find that people care about . What is in focus groups that may stick against him or could hurt him between now and election day . Temperament. Trumps temperament is the number one thing that has voters on the fence particularly with concern to foreign policy. Its not necessarily about foreign policy, its about his conduct and how he could set off nuclear war or world war iii thats something voters on the fence are concerned about. Thats a legitimate concern. For me, seriously, i dont want book of eli stuff. This is what theyre teaching him to do. Stand at the town hall debate. You ask me a question about how
youre trying to mr. Trump, what do you think of i said, joe, tell me more about your family and challenges you face. Joe, training him to use the name. Walk over to them. I live in connecticut. I pay 55 in taxes. Thats all he needs to learn. Hes not going to learn that. Michael steele he wont do that. Hell use every questioners name. He will. You have run as well. Its hard to teach an old dog new tricks. Donald trump is proving and he proved again saturday night, he is what he is, who he is, i dont think hes ever going to change. He has one month to change. Why change now . Hes not changing. This is it. This is how it plays itself out. Theyre going to continue rapid fire for this and subsequent debates because thats what he wants them to do. And he will absorb it the way he wants. He said in one interview a while ago hes a guy that takes stuff
that comes at him. Hes in the moment. He doesnt plan and prep for that. This idea of sting down and actually sort of methodically figuring out, okay, this is what i have to do here and tactically go there, thats not him. Hes in the moment. Now, the concern that people have with this town hall debate with a Live Audience that hes in contact with, does that then trigger some other response in him that allows him to go on a rift that takes the thing off the rail. You cant control for that. You mean kind of like this. Heres a woman that has given barack obama such bad advice that i guarantee you if he had the choice to do all over again, go back years, he would have never picked her as secretary of state. Shes been a disaster. Everything shes done has been bad. Its ended in huge financial loss and death. I mean death on both sides. Death on both sides. She has been a disaster. Heres a woman thats supposed to fight all of these Different Things and she cant make it 15 feet to her car. Give me a break. Give me a break. Give me a break . Shes home resting right now that will be in 15 minutes in two or three days. I have a great temperament. I have in my opinion, its one of my strongest things. I have a winning temperament. Shes got bad temperament. She could actually be crazy. She should be in prison. Let me tell you. She should be in prison. Hillary clintons only loyalty is to her financial contributors and to herself. I dont think shes loyal to bill if you want to know the truth. And really, folks, why should she be, right . Why should she be . Is it done . Were done . Ends part one. Was he struggling that much for content that he really had to go there . Did he feel like the audience was flagging and he had to throw out a bomb and start accusing Hillary Clinton of being unfaithful . He had been throwing out bombs all night. Its bob costa, did you get any response from the trump Team Following the speech in pennsylvania . Trump is becoming more trump. More trump. Im going to tweet that. What were seeing now is the inner circle somewhat compressing. Roger ailes, for example, was not a lot of the veteran republicans were not there. Reince priebus was there. What i hear about what theyre doing with debate prep thats interesting, its not so much a policy deep dive. Trump does have briefing books but hes not diving into subject by subject. Its really about tactics. Giuliani told me yesterday that theyre going over past moments like when george h. W. Bush looked at his watch in 1982. Theyre guiding trump saying stage presence matter. Your gestures matter. You have to make human contact. They feel good about that. Well see what happens. I was asking nicole this question. Im curious about the Polling Group that youre with and the people that youve been talking to. That speech right there, you talked about him going after her
personal life. It raises a thousand questions about temperament. Women seem at least through the last six months to be most impacted in the general election for that sort of explosion. And suburban voters, College Educated voters, the people that donald trump has to start winning to win this election. He needs College Educated women in particular right now. Those kind of remarks dont help him at all to get those women off of the fence to start thinking this is someone who can be controlled enough to conduct International Affairs as commander in chief. He really does not do himself favors when he goes off script like that. Youre from mississippi, riot . Yes. You have conservative friends and family members down there. Nicole says at this point her parents arent talking politics with her. My brother and i talk about his beautiful granddaughter. We dont talk a lot about politics. Are you finding among your friends and family members in
mississippi if not a support for trump, just the very strong belief that certainly im finding with a lot of my friends that they cannot and they will not ever vote for Hillary Clinton. That means theyre going to vote for that guy. Theyre going to vote for trump is a vote against Hillary Clinton. Thats why the only thing that trump could do is if he keeps being more outrageous and gives them an absolute reason they cant do it because he seems so unstable. He really is only hurting himself right now. My mother watched the debate. She said she just couldnt take it anymore and cut it off. She cant stand Hillary Clinton and wont vote for her but at the same time theres no way she could vote for donald trump. Seems to me, Michael Steele i hear republicans saying i wont vote for Hillary Clinton in a million years. I wont vote top line but vote for republicans straight down. What voters have been doing for the last 30 to 35 days is
very much into that space where they say i cant pull the trigger for either of these guys. Im going to protect my senate seat. Im going to vote for the down ballot candidates and thats good for the party in a sense that what was once a problem in losing the senate now looks like a good hold for them because of that separating the Senate Candidate or congressional candidate from donald trump and Hillary Clinton. You look at the senate races and it really is surprising what were saying three months ago. Just not come t fruition. You have its over in ohio for the most part. Portman is going to win. We thought john mccain was caught in a terrible sort of vice between having to be far enough right in the primary and then you go back to no. Hes running away with it. The guy is up by 16 points. Mccain is going to win. Ron johnson is back within single digits. Still an underdog. Kelly aott is in it. Toomey is tied. What are voters out there it seems voters are going far more republican than they were suspected to. A couple things. Incumbent senator who knows that theyre going to have a tough race who raises money and avoids scandal and works hard with their constituents can survive a bad top of the ticket. Not a blowout. Trump has positioned himself not to be blown out. If trump loses state by four points, they probably would be fine. The senate race may help trump because you have seen turnout operations there coordinated with the Republican National committee. Almost every state that will decide the president ial race, almost every one has a Competitive Senate race or contested senate race and its true that if people go vote for
portman or vote for clinton or leave the top blank, that will hurt trump. A lot of people are out there working to elect republicans. The Clinton Campaign made a choice over the summer. They didnt say rob portman is as bad as donald trump. They said trump is different. Trump is not like a normal republican. That has normalized the notion for a lot of independents and moderate republicans. Is that the biggest thing litt politically . All of these senators knew they were up in a president ial year in purple or blue states. All raised a ton of money and worked hard with their constituents. Senate races they havent gone far right. Gun control, rob portman on drug treatment, kelly aott on a range of issues. Would you have thought Senate Candidates would pull trump up opposed to trump dragging them
down . No. Rnc said three or four months ago some officials at the rnc said, okay, we dont love the guy. Heres the deal. If donald trump loses by one point, two points, we take over the senate. We keep the senate. We keep the house. If he loses by eight or nine points, we lose everything. So it does look like its a close enough race and it looks like the Senate Candidates will be judged or their own now. Rnc has played this by a lot of people who arent necessarily trump wouldnt have been their first choice who put their focused on down ballot races and done a good job mitigating damage from trump and rob portman has run a Brilliant Campaign in ohio. You see pockets of hope within the Republican Party. What does it mean if donald trump is elected president . What does it mean for the Republican Party is hes elected . Im curious how donald trump would fill his cabinet. Those something that voters are extremely concerned about. Hell find smart people and best people to work for him and Mention National security times who have disavowed him but that hasnt seeped into the general consciousness yet. Who would he fill his cabinet with . At the same time, i dont know that donald trump really would be able to get the best people like he always says. Ill ask you the same thing, Michael Steele. We talk if donald trump loses, the party goes back and it resets. But what happens if donald trump wins to the Republican Party . Theres still a reset. Donald trump will be bringing in a different brand of republicanism. Conservatism as weve come to know it will largely be edged a little bit particularly on some issues. The guy that gave a speech he
gave on saturday night, thats your standard bearer. Again, its going to redefine the platform. Does the party split . Of course it does. Its been in the process of splitting for some time now. The party has having this internal struggle since reagan left office. This battle of litmus test of conservatism. Rhino this and conservative that. These battles are all around who we are and what we believe. Weve talked about it on this show how that struggle is now pushed up to the surface and what donald trump has done is fully exposed it. If he becomes president , hes now the head of the party. It will be his brand that will dictate a lot of the terms. I think there will be people who will show up to be part of that Trump Administration but theyre going to be a different kind of republican than the folks weve seen in the bush years, et cetera. Robert costa, so talking about trumps week. Whats he got planned . Hes got a few speeches coming up. One about cybersecurity
according to a few people within the campaign. Out in colorado today. In arizona. Doing a west coast swing for fundraising trying to pick it up momentum out west and then hes preparing for this debate. All right. Thank you so much. Also gre always great to have you. Hope in what came after. New York Magazine has a new sit down with president obama who reflects on his eight years in the oval office. First romney strategist Stuart Stevens is no stranger to questions about republican nominees and their taxes. His take on Donald Trumps conundrum, the ole miss rebels and whether hell endorse the republican nominee today. It would be fun if stuart did that. It would be a story. Udent . Is it a caregiver determined to take care of her own . Or is it a lifetime of work that blazes the path to your passions . Your personal success takes a Financial Partner who values it as much as you do. Learn more at tiaa. Org
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i go to mikes all the time. Commissioner on president ial debates. Fancy name. They gave me a bummed mike. I got friends in the audience and they keep going like this. Whats going on . They gave me a bummed mike so how many people in this room think that maybe that was done on purpose . There are people who actually responded affirmatively. Lets go to annapolis right now and talk to Stuart Stevens. Chief strategist for mitt romneys 2012 president ial campaign and with us steve kornacki. Stuart, are you ready to endorse trump this morning . I think im going to hold off on that, joe, but thank you for the opportunity. How is ole miss doing this year . Were doing okay. Congratulations on alabama winning. It has to happen every few years. Once every three years,
right . So i wonder about this tax story. Most of us around the table just dont think that Many Americans care whether trump paid taxes over 15 years or not if he did it legally and maybe a guy taughting his business experience might have more impact. I think it hurts him. Particularly given his running against a rigged system. Hes appealing to a lot of voters to feel like theyre the big powerful forces that they cant control who advantage others. Classic case study that would be a tax system that allows you dont have to pay taxes if thats the case for 18 or 20 years. I think it definitely hurts him. What donald trump should do is he should release the last couple years of his taxes and just move on from there and get it out there. Otherwise its going to hang over the campaign. Hes not going to do that. Its interesting though. This is a lot like him saying that the system was rigged and when he lived in new york he had to be a democrat. Of course he gave money to Hillary Clinton and Chuck Schumer and dnc because he had to work the system. And republicans, i still cant believe it, but republicans allowed him to get away with that in a primary process. If any mere mortal i knew case money to Hillary Clinton it would have been the kiss of death. They should have run a Stronger Campaign against him. There was this mistaken idea if you got oneonone with donald trump he would win. They allowed other candidates to be the focus instead of donald trump. Donald trump is at the stage of his campaign where he needs to ask voters for a second look. He needs to go out in the next debate and go out on the stump and say if you support me, i
hope ill continue to earn your support. If not, give me a second look. I thought i knew everything about running for president when i first started. I didnt. I learned a lot. I can say anything i want in the new york media to get business that helps my real estate business. You cant run for president and be president like that. I hope youll give me a Second Chance. Americans are very good at giving people Second Chance. Until he does that, hes sort of in this culdesac of the same voters. Unless youre asking for a Second Chance on monday morning when you just threw out on saturday night that Hillary Clinton probably wasnt faithful to her husband. It makes that turn a little more difficult. Hes being patient waiting to ask for Second Chance. Doesnt want to rush it. Steve, give us your latest take on the Electoral College. I talked to some that say the pennsylvania path for trump is not likely anymore and if hes going to get to 270, he needs to
find a way without pennsylvania. I think thats right. Good news bad news for donald trump. When you look at the Electoral College, hes in better shape than romney was in 2012. Hes at risk of losing North Carolina. Thats the only romney state hes at risk of losing. If you look at other obama states, ohio, hes ahead right now. Iowa, hes ahead right now. I think florida hes behind but within striking distance in florida. Nevada, he had been ahead. There was one poll that came out at the end of last week that put Hillary Clinton up six in nevada. Thats the one that raises the question of is there a debate bounce here for Hillary Clinton . Will we see polls this week we get one poll from nevada. The five before that had him up. That suggests if he wins those, hes one state away. If its not pennsylvania what would it be . Is colorado back in play . Thats one people had written off. Wisconsin is the other or new
hampshire. Those are your three other possibilities there and youre getting that one electoral vote in maine and maybe, lets be honest, if he gets a big enough margin out of that rural district in maine, statewide in maine is not out of the question either. I was in wisconsin and North Carolina the last two weeks and if i had to bet, i would say that trump would win there. Wisconsin and North Carolina. I think hell probably win North Carolina. Hold those romney states and then there are paths. Do you agree with the premise that trump is in better shape with Electoral College than romney was four years ago at this point . Its hard to gauge without looking at internal numbers where they are. I think if you look at the early voting numbers out of North Carolina, absentee voting numbers, clear that democrats are doing a better job of harvesting those votes. Unusual to have a president ial campaign with unequal
organizations. For the most part, there really isnt much of a trump campaign. Its just kind of more of a concert tour. I think that youre going to begin to see this when you start looking at these early voting numbers. The question is, what happens . Are they overwhelmed the day of . I think thats one of the most fascinating things about this election. We have basically, weve convinced ourselves that in 2004, george w. Bush won because of an extraordinary effort by ken mehlman and karl rove to get out the vote operation. Trump has nothing. Youre right, a grateful dead concert tour that just sort of goes from town to town and tries to find the biggest audiences. If they end up winning, it obliterates every rule of president ial politics that weve made up. You know, its interesting. When you look at the real clear politics average on election day in 2012. President obama was up. 7. They won by more because they had this ability to get a lot of early votes in and a really powerful organization. I just think that these are factors that campaigns count on to be able to deliver the percentage of votes that theyre getting and donald trump is counting on a lot of low percentage voters. He needs to really be able to deliver those voters to the polls. It will be interesting to see if he can. Steve kornacki, wre talking about iowa. Trump ahea in iowa right now. Surprisingly in one poll close to double digits. Wisconsin is close. Much closer than it usually is. Ohio. Are we talking about states here and new mexico hes closer. Thats the other interesting one. Are we talking about states that are whiter and have fewer black voters . Does that tie iowa and ohio and
wisconsin and new mexico together . Yeah. New mexico obviously has a large latino population. Why is iowa the one where trump isnt just ahead, he may be running away with it in iowa at this point. We talked about that divide among white voters. Noncollege blue collar white voter versus more culturally moderate. Thats a thing in politics that exploded this year in a way we havent seen before. So trumps strength is blue collar white. In 2012 across the country, 36 of the electorate was noncollege white. Blue collar white. 36 nationally. The number for iowa is 54 . So this is a state, very few nonwhite voters. Iowa 54 noncollege white. National number was 36. Its that much higher than the National Average and thats a group of voters trump is doing so much better with. Republicans have been doing well with them for a while but trump is exploding standing with them. Iowa is a state that looks taylat tailer made. This has frustrated republicans. They say wisconsin is a state they havent won since reagan in 84. Demographically if you took names off, it looks similar to iowa. All right. Stuart stevens, thank you so much. Steve kornacki, stay with us if you will. Coming up, new season of saturday night live kicked off this weekend and the shows highest premiere ratings since the last time we elected a president. Well have more highlights coming up on morning joe. My business was built with passion. But i keep it growing by making every dollar count. Thats why i have the spark cash card from capital one. With it, i earn unlimited 2 cash back on all of my purchasing. And that unlimited 2 cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business. Which adds fuel to my bottom line. Whats in your wallet . [ clearing throat ]w turthe new golf alltrack. K. [ upbeat music ] with 4motion allwheel drive. Soon to be. Everywhere. Amazing sleep stays with you all day and all night. With sleep number, you choose the exact firmness and comfort you want and so does your partner for the best sleep ever. The columbus day sale is on now with the queen c4 mattress set only 1399. 98. Plus 24month financing. Learn more at sleepnumber. Com
first, shes been battling pneumoni and we hope shes feeling better tonight. Its secretary Hillary Clinton. Im better than ever. Lets do this. Donald trump has terrible judgment. He makes bad decisions. Hes spent his life cheating middle class laborers. Laborers like my own human father who made, i guess, drapes, or printed drapes or sold drapes. Something with drapes. He was relatable and i am also
relatable. My microphone is broken. She broke it with obama. She and obama stole my microphone and took it to canada. They took my microphone and now its broken. Can you hear that . Its picking up somebody sniffing here. I think its her sniffs. Shes been sniffing all night. Testing. Testing. Up next, the Washington Post calls it one of d. C. s most feared groups and thats on both sides of the aisle. The ceo of the conservative Group Heritage action is here with his top targets on capitol hill. Morning joe is back right after this. Here i am. Building a jet engine. Weve been hearing so much about how youre a digital company, so you can see our confusion. Ge is an Industrial Company that actually builds worldchanging machines. Machines that can also communicate digitally. Like robots. Did you build that robot . Thats not a robot, thats my coworker earl. He builds jet engines with his human hands. What about that robot . That is a vending machine, ricky. John, give him a dollar. Now that i work there, i value dothe food even more. I feed it to yoshi because there are no artificial colors, preservatives and its made with real chicken. Im so proud to make dog chow natural in davenport, iowa. [baby talk] [child giggling] child look, ma. No hands. Children i, j, k. [bicycle bell rings] [indistinct chatter] [telephone rings] man hello . [boing] [laughter] man you may kiss the bride. [applause]
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getting too into the voting booth and throw them into a political system that has made their lives miserable. Theres michael moore. He saw a lot of jobs moving out of flint, michigan, echoing a similar sentiment that the New York Times quoted from our next guest. Trump fulfills the urge many have to punch washington in the face. With us now, ceo of Heritage Action for america, michael, thank you for being here. Great to be here, joe. It looks like they still, Americans Still see donald trump as their opportunity to punch washington in the face. I think trump has actually tapped into a couple things that are real sentiments out there. Working class voters as you were talking about in the segment before who feel disconnected economically and socially. People that look at washington, d. C. And say this is a corrupt cesspool that works well for the well connected. The challenge is how do you connect that to something thats
statesmanlike and a useful policy solution and if you can do that, you can modernize conservatism that met anxieties of the 1980s. Donald trump hasnt really put meat on those bones. A guy i say what the Republican Party needs to do is take the aei view of economics and mix it with a strong populist message. That aei view as much as we may have been raised on it is not going to win pennsylvania. Its not going to win ohio. Its not going to win these states that donald trump apparently is running pretty competitively in. So i think what you just said explains politics of the last eight years. You have this energy out there. People who are upset at washington, d. C. And feel disconnected in their lives and children who are different and face different problems than parents did. And you had Republican Leaders who said lets pretend that energy doesnt exist. And we sound like jack kemp
in the 80s but our answer to creating jobs is lowering the Corporate Tax rate and somebody in youngstown, ohio, who cant send their kid to ohio state saying what . This is the influence of libertarian coalition where we get caught in this trap between democrats who provide you with a solution that starts with government and republicans who sound like were just saying dont worry. Youll be left alone. The free market will take care of it. Opposed to living in the real space that exists between the individual and government, which is Civil Society where real compassion happens. Trump says the energy out there cant be ignored in well be a successful political party, we have to live in the present and talk about the future. He needs to put policy meat on those bones. So i wouldnt say that the Republican Party has been the party of wall street anymore than Hillary Clinton and bill clintons Democratic Party has been the party of wall street. Weve been the party of all of
these economic theorists who sound great and make a lot of sense to us and lay the foundation for our political philosophy but mean nothing to people in the rust belt fighting for their lives every day. Right. Because it doesnt bear out to the lived experience. Its not relatable that way. Its a theory on paper. An idea thats talked about in upper echelons. People are in a space to michaels point where they are talking about their lived experience. The Republican Party in particular i saw this particularly as chairman as i traveled around the country has moved away from that. Its become so full of self that it is ignored the very people who have been the sustaining
force. I want to ask michael to dove back on something you and i were talking about, joe. Where does the party go in trump wins . What type of Republican Party does a heritage foundation, does a cato . Do a lot of gop institutions that are the backbone of the think tank world, what do they do with the guy who is so outside of what we know as conservatives republicanism. I think regardless of who wins, we need to have a debate about the future of the Republican Party and how we tap into those policy things that are out there and what people feel in their gut and conduct it to real policy. If trump wins, the head of his domestic political transition is founder of the heritage foundation. We need to put meat onic poly bones and tap into the impulses that trump has tapped into while putting real policy solutions in place. Theres no reason not to think that the people who staff out Trump Administration will be those types of people. If he loses, its the same
debate. We cant go back to being a Republican Party that pretends you can gloss over real issues with poll testing marketing solutions. There was great example of House Republican conference coming together saying we need to relabel free trade into american trade. Its not the problem with labels. Its who youre fighting for in washington. Do you think people who have won the Republican Party for the past 30 years understand and can look past their hatred of donald trump to understand why this is happening and understand that unfettered free trade while they have bowed and our party bowed at the alter of that for 30 years have left a lot of people behind . Do you think they can start to understand that . I think its the wrong question. This is the choice. You either understand that the base of our party is not a free trade loving trickle down tax
cut loving party. You either understand it or you continue to lose. And my question for you is you uttered word statesman twice and i feel like my dogs feel whenin electric collar. He will not become a statesman, so are you presuming hes going to lose or are you saying that the bar he has to cross. What is your personal take on whether or not donald trump can win and should win . He has to be a statesman, he wont. Take aside the question of whether his personality and the way he talks is statesman like, you need to have solutions. We cant abandon our principles. Do you think he has to act like a statesman to win . I think every day he spends not acting like a statesman and getting into the nonsense from 20 years ago and 10 years ago is a wasting day where hes not connecting with people. So theres five weeks left. Going out and doing what he did saturday night is just wasting an entire news cycle, three news cycles talking about that, rather than talking about the real experience of working class
americans. About the fact there are issues of nationalism that arent the kind of ugly issues but what is the right between transnational Economic Immigration and still being a great country. Washington is corrupt. Hillary clinton and bill clinton have made fortunes off playing the insider game, doing Public Service but doing it for private benefit. These are real issues. Issues that also knis on the right and the Republican Party. Look, i believe trent lott is an obamacare lobbyist, bob dole is an obamacare lobbyist. There are all sorts of people on our side of the aisle who go to washington so they can enrich themselves as well. These are real issues trump needs to talk about. Everything else is a distraction that gives people reasons not to vote for him, as opposed to making life better for people. Mike needham, thank you for being with us. Still ahead, no question donald trump had a bad week, but some are saying he may have had his worst week in his president ial campaign. Some say even president ial
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join morning joe when we return. Approve this message. Id look her right in that fat ugly face of hers. Shes a slob. She ate like a pig. A person whos flat chested is very hard to be a 10. Does she have a good body . No. Does she have a fat [expletive] . Absolutely. Do you treat women with respect . I cant say that either. I just saved thousands on in less than a minute, i found out how much home i can afford. I like how you shop for loans the same way you shop for flights online. I didnt realize that lendingtree you can save money on almost any sort of loan. I consolidated my Credit Card Debt with a personal loan. I found a new credit card with 0 interest for 15 months. You just shop, compare and save, and its all free. Go to lendingtree right now and start saving. This man is clearly unfit to be commander in chief. Wrong. He is a bully. Shut up. He started the birther movement. You did. He says Climate Change is a hoax invented by china. Its pronounced jina. He hasnt released his tax returns, which means hes either not that rich. Wrong. Not that charitable. Wrong. Or hes never paid taxes in his life. Warmer. Good morning. You guys see that . It was so good. How great were they . Amazing. Pretty amazing. I dont know which one did the role better. Great writing. Im going to have to go with the somersault. A good somersault. That will let people know. Harold ford jr. , how are you doing . Good. Good morning. Good looking suit. University of michigan, go blue. They looked pretty good this weekend. We have to keep at it. Were not alabama. Were trying. We consider ourselves alabama of the north. The little engine that could. You think you can. Speaking of which, the red sox made it to the playoffs. The indians. The giants. We mourn for Claire Mccaskill and the cardinals who did not make it in. How about the metropolitans making it in. Wednesday night, onegame
elimination. Your chicago cubs, 102 wins this year. Best team in baseball. Unbelievable. I have a quick question before we dive into all the crazy stuff that went on this weekend. Seven days a week is what i think. Seriously, this was crazy. Let me ask something. Its something i dont understand. So all throughout december, january, february, march, april, when it really didnt matter, Media Outlets had like 30 polls a day. Constantly. There were polls every single day. We cant get one now. Then everybody goes hey, this was the biggest debate ever. This is going to change things forever. Were going to be watching it. Nobody has done a poll. Were in a drought. Let me ask you, mark, because if i were a conspiracy theorist, i would think that they had taken polls and they didnt like the trend lines. Why would you not take a poll in an entire why wouldnt nbc,
abc, cbs, like the Washington Post, abc did a poll on their likability. We know theyre all hated. You dont have to waste my sunday morning telling me that everybody hates these two characters. There are some poll numbers coming. Why havent they done them this past week . Thats stupid. Yeah. Insanity. They spend millions and millions of dollars. What is the answer . There is no good answer. We have no idea how americans really reacted to the debate. Now, why would that be . It has to do with the fluke of scheduling and budgets. Thats just such bs. Whoever schedules in budgets should be fired because fox news is the only network that has done a poll postdebate. And youre like, okay, listen, this is what were going to do. Okay, get your calendars out. Get your calendars out. Were going to do a poll on
march 12th, 19th, the 23rd, the 27th, the 29th, and then, were going to run out of money at some point, yeah, but we dont run out of money until the first debate. So then well wait a month. Like, im serious. Whats up . Thats my pet peeve for the day. Yeah. How was your weekend . It was great. Football season is back. You know, so its like all is right in america. Did you see the tennessee georgia game . Tennessee is coming back. Did you see the game. Georgia first, tennessee had won, and then georgia won, and then georgia, penalty on the kickoff, and they threw one deep. I miss mika right now. Yeah, i wanted to i know everybody is like really ticked off about donald trump not paying taxes for like 78 years. Yeah. Whatever. Were bummed about the tweet storm. I was going to say what im more bummed about, and i know
everybody is like, joe scarborough, you love donald trump. No. Im not offended by mitt romney paying 14 taxes. Im not offended by barack obama paying 19 taxes. Im not offended by donald trump not paying 15 or no taxes for 15 years if that in fact, those are basically the numbers, and paul ryan, 20 tax rate. I pay, of course, a 55 tax rate, so im a sucker. Right . But the thing is i share your suckerdom. I need a failing casino or whatever barack obama and mitt romney have because they pay 14 and 20 . But the thing is, my feeling is, and i think most americans are this way. If you follow the law, you follow the law. What im offended by is a system that allows people like donald trump to fly around on jumbo jets and live in the most opulent places on planet earth and have the biggest, like, the best golf courses all over the
world. And not have to pay taxes for 15 . Am i supposed to be made at donald trump for that, or am i supposed to be mad at am i supposed to be mad at the government and congress for allowing its a scam. Its like the hedge funders that make billions of dollars, and theyre so offended if somebody comes along and says they should pay more than 14 taxes. That, to me, seems to be the real scam. And im sorry, i know a lot of people will be mad at me for saying this. Most americans are like, pay the taxes that youre legally required to pay and were good. With donald trump, if he would just say what you said and say i have figured out a way to take advantage of the code. I pay no taxes. I took a loss. Im speculating because i dont know if the New York Times story is true. He should say those things. He said all those things. Except that hes paid zero. But he said all of that. But he wont show us why hes such an expert. I said on the meet the press program yesterday, the
times story is hyped. Great journalism, glad they did it. Wonderful story, but the story is premised on saying he could have paid zero taxes. He could have. But its premised on he made every year for the last 18 years what he made in the first year. Im sure he made more some of thoz years. Im wondering if youre donald trump and your schtick is strength, thats im stronger than everybody. Im going to pound everybody. Thre suckers and im going to make the biggest deal, is the press, and i think the liberal press, we can say, are they focusing too much on him not paying taxes legally, legally, when they should be focusing on him losing a billion dollars . Oh, seriously. So seriously, youre going to do for america what you did for your hey, thanks but no thanks. Well go with the lifelong bureaucrat. You know what im saying . That seems to be what his supporters would be more offended by. I think youre at the rub,
and where were at another fork in the road, the media is going to talk, probably for ten days about how he paid no taxes. The voters are probably to the degree that the people on the fence are struggling with these two candidates, theyre probably still more upset that he called a Miss Universe contestant fat. What about the speech the other night, my god, where hes accusing hillary of the most slanderous things. I think his worst moment as a candidate was the physical disability of a person. Now hes mocking hillary when she was sick with pneumonia. The press has talked for a week. People worry about other stuff. Right. Michael steele, the press is going to talk probably about him not paying taxes when again, i think the voters that would not vote for trump because of this story would be because he lost a billion dollars in a year. Wait a second, this guy is going to do for us what hes done for himself. Thanks but no thanks. Thats the only tax record we
have of him. Then you can go down, you know, you can go down all the other stuff. You go to the speeches where hes mocking Hillary Clintons pneumonia and having a terrible moment, when he makes an assumption about Hillary Clintons personal life and her personal morality, just out of absolute left field. I think thats, again, if something happened this weekend to reenforce the Donald Trumps not fit to be president for people who dont believe hes fit to be president , it was the speech and not the tax issue, i think. Yeah. I agree with you on that. I still think, you know, beyond the taxes and the billion dollar loss or billion dollars in income, whatever it is, the temperament issue is still a driving issue for voters. And i think for those voters, as you said, who are strongly for or against trump, thats dispositive. They have moved on. They know what will give them their support or take the support away. But for those other voters out
there that trump are still trying to convince, many of them republicans, by the way and women. And women. Women republicans. Yeah, women republicans. Some people call them republican women. Thats true, too. That works. But that temperament argument, as displayed again this weekend, is going to be a driver for them for the next 40 days of the campaign. It is. I want to ask both of you really quickly on the tax issue i brought up earlier. We have actually three republicans here. This is a world record. For msnbc. Well, any network, actually, other than fox. Michael steele, i want to start with you. Are you do you agree with me or not that the real outrage here on this tax story is that youve got guys who can live like donald trump paying zero percent in taxes, that hedge funders that make billions of dollars pay 14 in taxes. Is it blasphemous to me to say as a small Government Conservative that Warren Buffett is right. If you make a billion dollars, you should at least pay 30 in taxes a year, if your secretary is paying 28 in taxes a year . Well, as they say, dont hate the player, hate the game. I mean, if you have the ability to take advantage of i understand that. So im talking about what the game should be. Should the rules of the game be absolutely, they should be changed. Theres no doubt about that. When you set aside in the tax code an ability to sort of hide Investment Income or treat Investment Income differently from regular income, when all you get is Investment Income, yeah, those types of and nicolle, somebody works their ass off all year and they pay 28 in taxes, all year. Somebody else comes in to the year worth 3 billion, figures out how to be worth 5 billion at the end of the year, because of smart investments, should that person really be paying 14
in taxes . Its appalling. It is gross. And why do we as galling, its galling to the public if they can even get their brain around these massive sums of money. Its why occupy wall street had legs. Its why elizabeth warrens message about income inequality will always resonate, not just with the far left, but with parts of our base, too. And bernie sanders. But you look at Donald Trumps tax policy, and its just more of the same. Its galling. But to me, i mean, i thought that trumps surrogates were completely over the top yesterday in saying this is an example of his genius. If it were so, then why not release the taxes in his opening speech. But this is squarely his brand. I am running against a rigged system because i have worked it, i exploited it. I figured out how to use it. Hes honest about it. Lets show the clips where giuliani and Chris Christie call him a genius and then Mark Halperin will respond to that. Whats your response to the story . My response is hes a genius. A genius . Absolute genius. The reality is hes a genius. I would rather have a genius who understands the tax code, who wants to reform it. Theres no one who has shown more junius in their way to maneuver around the tax code and the genius of donald trump has been to make sure that he follows the law. The man is a genius. He knows how to operate the tax code for the benefit of the people hes serving. You know, it was very interesting, i thought yesterday in the giuliani interview, with jake tapper, i have never seen anybody bring chains and a trident to an interview, but jake tapper did. Did you see that . Rough stuff. Jakes had a great cycle. Yeah, but i mean, in that case, as some would say, everybody was a little overboard, but he like i dont know if actually thrusting the trident at giuliani in the middle of an answer it works at times. I guess it worked yesterday. The problem is not hiring a great accountant and aggressively taking deductions. The problem is a system in which the real estate lobby gives donations to politicians and gets favorable tax laws. Which is what were saying. This system but its not the system of the accountants. The system is rigged because of special interests. Yeah, just like hedge funders. They have rigged the system so they can make billions of dollars and pay 14 in taxes. Right, but while i pay 55 in taxes. Not that im taking notes. Theres no indication donald trump has some commitment to a plan to reduce the influence of special interests. Hes not proposing reducing the tax his tax plan is, its like its just republican. The same thing over the past 30 years. Xexcept for hedge funders. He wants to change that, but not for the real estate industry. Do you think thats going to happen . Please, seriously . Anybody, i bet you a pickup
truck, if there are any reforms, if donald trump is president of the United States and we have the same congress. Everybody agree . There wont be. None. None. Its why people are pissed off. Hallie jackson joins us from washington, plus, philip bump, he all a great tweet over the weekend highlighting a breitbart story slamming the niemnew yor times, while the times advertises above it. But bill karins is tracking a storm in the caribbean. This looks really dangerous. So much rainfall is going to fall in haiti. That country has trouble dealing with it. And then we have problems yesterday in jamaica alone, where these pictures are coming out of. The forecast has improved for jamaica over the weekend. Its gotten worse for our friends in haiti. They could experience three to close to three and a half feet of rain over the next two days. Heres a look at the storm currently. Notice the eye got obscured a little bit. Thats a sign of temporary weakening. Still a category four. Winds at 130 miles per hour. The forecast will take it due north in between jamaica and haiti, almost up into eastern cube raw early tomorrow morning, landfall around the noon hour. Extreme eastern cuba. Thats relatively unpopulated. Our beige in guantanamo could get hit with strong winds. Lets talk about the bahamas. Wednesday and thursday dealing with a major category3 hurricane, close enough to comfort for nassau and freeport that you have to make preps shortly, and then the cone of uncertainty goes into georgia, south carolina, and North Carolina. Now lets take a look at some of our long range computer models. This is going to give us hints. Were going to watch for trends. Last night, the trend was closer to the southeast. A lot of lines this morning are about 200 to 300 miles off the klein of florida and bring it off the coast. One thing to notes, our american model and our european models are closer than the other ones to the florida coast and the southeast. So the forecast is not set in stone yet, we havent ruled out
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she has been a disaster. But heres a woman, shes supposed to fight all of these Different Things. And she cant make it 15 feet to her car. Give me a break. Give me a break. Give me a break. Shes home resting right now. Shes getting ready for her next
speech, which is going to be about 15 minutes and its going to be in two or three days. I have a great temperament. I have, in my opinion, its like one of my strongest things. I have a winning temperament. Now, shes got bad temperament. Shes got she could be crazy. She could actually be crazy. Hillary clintons only loyalty is to her financial contributors and to herself. I dont even think shes loyal to bill, you want to know the truth. And really, folks, really, why should she be, right . Why should she be . Nicolle. Respond. Me . Mocking her health scare. Talking about his temperament. And then moving on to speculating about her personal life in a way that is just so
over the top, i i have never seen anything like it. This the fork in the road. I mean, im talking about another candidate, i have never seen any one candidate say this about another candidate. I talked about the fork in the road, where the media is going to talk about the taxes for ten days and the media around roundtables like this. I think this is the stuff at gut level people are rejecting. This is the stuff if i were running against him, i would want to make sure everybody saw. These are the traits that sort of reenforce her core message, which is that hes temperamentally unfit to be president. You watch that, and i dont know how you can argue whats the other side . That he is . They had to make a choice months ago about what frame they put on him. They picked right. They picked he did not have the temperament. They picked the right frame. And the proper behavior to be president. He has spent from the debate night through saturday night and on his twitter account every
moment giving them more and more material on this very point. He went straight from Miss Universe, which he got behind. He stopped on friday, i guess it was, and then we have this. I asked one of his advisers over the weekend, it seems you talk about a binary choice, all the republicans who got behind trump, chicken or fish. Im for him because im not for her. Hes got a binary choice. Tweet and lose. Smash the phone, hrc style with a hammer, and maybe stay in it. Hes made that choice. I mean, the thing is, you look at what he did, the week after the debate, listen, i think the debate would have been a wash at the end of the day. Bl probably. Because he was strong the first 20, 30 minutes. If we ever get a poll again before we all die. But how about that for a standard . He made it through 20 minutes of the whatever 90 minutes, but he would have survived it unchanged. You know why he would have survived it . Because a lot of people probably watched the first 20, 30 minutes and moved on. If he said it was my first
debate and i thought i did okay but im going to do better next time. He had a whirlwind week with Miss Universe. Hes freaked out about this, i havent talked to him, but im sure hes freaked about the tax story when in fact its what he did in response to the tax story that he needs to get on his side. That speech was saturday night, so the tax story was getting all the attention. So most people havent seen that speech or even the excerpts we showed, but this is so its so confounding to his supporters, and youre seeing now another wave of republicans freaking out that hes behaving exactly the way i mean, its as if robby mook calls him up every morning and says heres what i need you to do today to reenforce the notion you dont have the right temperament to be president. Michael steele, there was frustration inside the trump camp, obviously for a very long time fr time, about the khan family, and people were just pleading with him to stop attacking the khan
family. The same thing happened this past week with Miss Universe, where everybody, including the family, was saying stop attacking this woman. Right. And so he stops attacking her on friday. I guess, i havent seen anything since then. Then saturday, hes talking about Hillary Clintons sex life. Suggesting that she has been unfaithful. I mean, seriously, coming from him, its just remarkable. I mean, i always said, let he who is without sin cast the first stone. He should not be oh, lord. He should not be throwing stones at glass houses. Nor should a lot of his surrogates. And i would suggest, nor should any of us, yet theyre doing it. Hes doing it in the middle of a political speech, along with mocking her for passing out. But thats been the protocol
for donald trump from the very beginning. Were in october, man. The election is a month from now. Yeah, yeah, thats true. Its not going to ever end, is it . Its not going to end, and i dont know why folks seem to expect it will. This is the m. O. This is the way its going to be. Donald trump is the one who decides how much fuel to put on the fire, and when ultimately to put the fire out. And he will put the fire out when hes ready to start another one. Thats what we saw this week. From the machado story to where we are now, he decided that the story would last the entire week, and then on friday, he extinguished it and he on saturday lit a new one. Were here on monday talking about that new fire. This is his m. O. It keeps him in the news. It keeps him in the cycle. Up next, president obama in his own words, what the outgoing commander in chief says about the race to replace him. Adam moss is here with the weeks cover story. Thats next on morning joe. Man dear mr. Danoff, my wife and i are now participating in your mutual fund. We invested in your fund to help us pay for a College Education for our son. Weve enclosed a picture of our son so that you can get a sense there are real people out here trusting you with their hardearned money. At fidelity, we dont just manage money, we manage peoples money. Sprint . Im hearing good things about the network. All the networks are great now. Were talking within a 1 difference in reliability of each other. And, sprint saves you 50 on most Current National carrier rates. Save money on your phone bill, invest it in your Small Business. Wouldnt you love more customers . I would definitely love some new customers. Sprint will help you add customers and cut your costs. Switch your business to sprint and save 50 on most current verizon, at t and tmobile rates. Dont let a 1 difference cost you twice as much. Whoooo for people with hearing loss, visit sprintrelay. Com. [chains dragging] [eerie music playing] [crickets chirping] [owl hoots] announcer if you dont fix them, sparks from dragging tow chains can cause a wildfire. And that could be scary. Bye, smokey only you can prevent wildfires. But i keep it growing by making every dollar count. Thats why i have the spark cash card from capital one. With it, i earn unlimited 2 cash back on all of my purchasing. And that unlimited 2 cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business. Which adds fuel to my bottom line. Whats in your wallet . Why dont we have Roger Bennett this morning . Dan . Because chelsea won . Because chelsea won . Liverpool won, by the way. Welcome back to morning joe. With us from washington, d. C. , nbc news correspondent hallie
jackson covering the trump campaign, unfortunately for hallie, nothing to report on today. What do you want to talk about . Liverpool . Washington post politics blog, the fix, philip bump. Hallie, nothing to talk about. Nothing to see here about the taxes. The speech, im just wondering, when you look at a speech like saturday night, and you get to the end of it, you got to be thinking, wheres the beef . I got nothing to report on here, right . You know what i like about you joe . You really understand the unique challenges of being a reporter on the campaign trail, so thank you for that. I really do. You know, i put in enough years at it. If you want to talk about the speech from saturday, big shiny object, right . Distraction from the New York Times. Thats what that was all about, right . It has to be, right . It was kind of concurrent. The times piece came out at 9 00. He was supposed to deliver this scripted speech going an hillary
clinton on bernie sanders, instead, he questioned her loyalty to bill clinton, he did that imitation of her falling into the car with pneumonia. It was shiny objectesque. Something you talked about saturday as well as friday night when i was with him, was the mike issue at the debate. Remember . Something he blamed for his performance at the debate. Getting, by the way, he pointed to the backup he got from the commission on president ial debates which came out with a onesentence statement essentially confirming, yes, there were sound issues in the debate hall. Now, remember, these were not sound issues that affected the 80plus Million People or even in the spin room, but he did seize on this saying im vindicated in his view. He said the mike issue was, for example, 60 of his problem in the debate. But im confused. I thought he won. Oh, he would have won by a lot
more . He said he won despite the bad mike. Even with the bad microphone, he claims he won, even though all the scientific polls after the debate said he did not, as youre aware. Philip, i love this. This is greats. Good you come close, explain to our dear viewers what theyre looking at here. Sure, theyre looking at a printout of a tweet of mine which is basically making fun of the fact that brightpart, of course, being very protrump, was to point out the New York Times pays no taxes, which is somehow equivalent to what is happening with donald trump and theyre running an ad saying, hey, support the New York Times. What is your take on this crazy weekend . Yeah. Crazy. You have this guy saying hey, i can run your country like i run my business. He reports hes lost a billion dollars a year, and then of course, the speech, which i think actually was the most concerning. Yeah, i think those are the two things. Right . The argument thats being made
is about temperament. The speech was in part him being angry at the way the week had gone. He was still angry from Hillary Clinton for beating him so soundly in the debate, which he knows. Part of the reason he was lashing out was because of the anger. All the tax returns we have, the only evidence we have is he paid no taxes and he had huge losses in 1995. Thats something that undermines his core argument, which is i can bring jobs to america. Most mad at Alicia Machado, though. He stopped talking about her. Stopped talking about her, but i think the thing that kept him up until 3 00 in the morning, literally, was a fight with someone he found ungrateful, which is the easiest, fastest, and surest way under his skin. When he finds, especially a woman, ungrateful for his generosity, it drives him mad. It drives him insane. You saw megyn kelly get under his skin for raising the issue in the beginning. Now were sort of back where we started. Mika called nurotic and every other name in the book. He always uses that towards women. Because look at me. Whos neurotic. Im neurotic, okay. Dont call me i have earned the title. I want the title. Im sorry, you were saying. Thats my point exactly. Hes just misogynistic. You agree. Youre way more neurotic that mika. No doubt about that. By the way, correct answer. So whats happening at trump headquarters . Whats happening right now, hallie, with this campaign . I know everybody around trump wants him to level off and stop these personal attacks. Just doesnt seem like hes going to be able to do it. Doing this since the beginning of the campaign. Were like in october. Right. As you hold up the paper there. So the thing is the problem is that publicly, joe, they cant come out and say this on television, for example. Were talking about his surrogates, about the people close to him. We have seen what happens when
his loyal aides have gone out on television and tried to sort of nudge him one direction or the other in a public way, in a public setting. That is, to him, disloyalty, and that is the greatest offense that somebody on his team can commit. So instead, youve got his team potentially working to kind of get him on track behind closed doors and then surrogates, like Rudy Giuliani, like Newt Gingrich doubling down on the comments about Alicia Machado and her weight gain, defending trump when it comes to remarks on Hillary Clinton and her quote unquote loyalty. Its an issue when you look at sort of the broader view of the people that have been put out to get his message across. They almost have no choice but to fall in line behind whatever hes saying that morning at 5 00 a. M. Or whatever. You guys think Rudy Giuliani and Chris Christie are helping trump or hurting him or nor effect as surrogates . I think Chris Christie overall has been a net bonus for trump. Hes behind the scenes played an important role, being a more calming, stable influence. Rudy giuliani right now has just been quite frankly unhinged in the things hes been saying. Saying yesterday Extramarital Affairs are the norm in american society. Where has this election gone if were going out of our way, using our surrogates to justify infidelity as a social norm . I think that Chris Christie is, if the reporting is accurate that hes been put in charge of prepping him for the next debate, all of us probably saw him in New Hampshire in the primary. That is his strength, is a New Hampshirestyle town hall. So i think if that reporting is true moving forward, i think thats a real sort of tangible way that Chris Christies role can expand and help him. What do you think . Philip, everybody has been talking about donald trump and how unhinged donald trump has been and how neurotic donald trump has been and how crazy hes been, and et cetera. Hes doing better, at least right now, in this were actually in the middle of a
desert when it comes to polling, but when we get to the other side, hes doing better state by state by state than ever before. Right. Doesnt that its going like this. Up down, up down. Trump is always the reset. He offends, they go away, they always come back. He offends, they go away, with the khans, they always come back. Theyre probably going to go away with the Miss Universe stuff, and if he gets out of the way, d they come back . Is donald trump the reset . Because this is a change election . That the question. Where on this cycle we have seen repeatedly, will it end here and Hillary Clinton wins by eight points or will it end here and its a close contest. There are state polls that suggest theres going to be a widening gap because of what happened in the debate, but i think part of the challenge is donald trump values loyalty over honesty among the people who work with him. Thats pretty clear. So Rudy Giuliani is still out there on the stump because hes very loyal to donald trump even if the things hes saying arent
helpful to his candidacy. Part of the challenge for trump over time is trying to corral him into saying things hes supposed to say. On saturday night, he had two teleprompters but he was talking off the cuff. Wow, all right, hallie jackson, thank you so much. We appreciate it. Philip, thank you as well. Still ahead, one of the more stunning opeds of the entire campaign. A leading wall street conservative throws her support behind Hillary Clinton. And by the way, shes not kind of like this warm and fuzzy type of conservative. So thats next, and mikas mu mustread opinion pages and we hear theres actually a poll thats come out. The desert. The oasis in the desert. I see an oasis straight ahead when we return. My name is barbara and i make dog chow natural. Now that i work there, i value the food even more. I feed it to yoshi because there are no artificial colors, preservatives and its made with real chicken. Im so proud to make dog chow natural in davenport, iowa. Sureor put themhave ston a rack. E tires. But the specialists at ford like to show off their strengths 13 name brands. All backed by our low price tire guarantee. Yeah, were strong when it comes to tires. Right now during the big tire event, get a 140 rebate by mail on four select tires. Mustread opeds. Mika sent it over from nice. Is she in nice or monaco . And the Exchange Rate is to her favor. Exactly, so shes not in nice. Shes not. Actually, so dorothy, one of the great conservative Pulitzer Prize winning authors, writers for the wall street journal, you said you i read it, and i was just i read it out loud to my husband because i couldnt get his attention. He was doing things like feeding our small child. It was stunning. It really was. So she writes this in the wall street journal. Hillaryeratered dearrangement syndrome. Mrs. Clinton hasnt failed to provide cause for her for hern own proclivities. Even so, such proclivities pale next to the occasion for cringing which would come with a trump presidency. The end of the election is now in sight. Some among the antihillary brigades have decided to stay home on election day rather than vote for mrs. Clinton, but most americans will soon make their choice. It will be mr. Trump or mrs. Clinton. Experienced, forward looking, determined, and imminently sane. Her election alone is what stands between the american nation and the reign of the most unstable, psycholodge clael unfit president ever to enter the white house. Stunning. A conservative voice to say the least. Her whole life, shes been fighting the conservative cause. And the clintons. And the clintons. Whats your reaction . My reaction is i wonder what bill kristol is going to do next. Because i think hes been one of the loudest never trumpers. Hes abstaining. I think she puts the right question. This is a chicken or fish election. You cant be against him and not for the choice. And joe bush has staked out this position. There are a lot of people who are sort of sitting this out. I think this is the choice. Go if you believe as bill kristol and others have suggested, i dont know if bill said this specifically, but if you believe donald trump is so unstable that he could lead to a nuclear winter, i dont know that gary johnson is actually thats my conundrum. Thats why i couldnt i cant support gary johnson after seeing how ill informed he is on foreign policy. From that oped, the key words i pull out, the quote imminently sane. Imminently sane. And about his psychological fitness for office. I think that really is the question that is coming down to among a lot of conservatives right now who are thinking seriously about this election choice. And how they probably cant vote for trump. Its just amazing that the republican nominee will get at a minimum 42 million votes. So therefore, broadly acceptable to tens of millions of
americans, yet people like dorothy, bill kristol, and others who care about the conservative movement do not like the clintons, cant stomach voting for them. I think they see far more danger in donald trump, reif fining the question i was asking earlier. Redefining what it means to be a republican, a conservative, whereas if Hillary Clinton wins, well, we control the senate and the house, and were the loyal opposition for four years. Morning consult has a new poll out that shows actually a bit of a movement. Hillary clinton at 42 . Donald trump down at 36 . Gary johnson at 9 , who are those 9 . And jill stein at 2 . So theres a postelection poll from politico and morning consult. Well talk about that when we come back. But six points, thats pretty significant in a fourway race. Thats the good news for her. The bad news for her, shes at 42 . Which is not enough to win. The republican nominee is at 36 . Thats crazy. Eight years in america, hoping what came after the new cover story of new York Magazine taking a deep dive into the obama years with a man Mark Halperin and i call, is it safe to say . Greatest Magazine Editor over two centuries. Dominant. Thats significant. Adam moss with us next. Its abod not back. Its looking up not down. Its feeling up thinking up living up. Its being in motion. In body in spirit in the now. Boost. Its not just nutrition, its intelligent nutrition. With 26 vitamins and minerals and 10 grams of protein. All in 3 delicious flavors. Its choosing to go in one direction. Up. Boost. Be up for it. Bp gives its offshore teams 24 7 support from onshore experts, so we have extra sets of eyes on our wells every day. Because safety is never being satisfied. And always working to be better. Because safety is never being satisfied. Make sure its ano make a intelligent one. The highly advanced audi a4, with available virtual cockpit. Magazine. You say, greatest Magazine Editor of the 21st and 20est century . Late 20th, without reservation, competition. Without peer. Or objective. Its trying to get hired . Whats going on . I feel like were making you comfortable. He is the pulse. Really quickly, tell everybody a little bit about our next guest. Our next guest has worked for how many magazines . Like four. Four. Seven days, new York Magazine, New York Times magazine, and esquire. Everywhere hes gone, hes produced great and entertaining journalism. What should journalism do . It should inform and entertain. What does adam moss do . Inform and entertain. Hes doing it again. Witho out with a new issue with president obama and the cover story titled eight years in america. The president discusses some of the more critical moments in his time in the oval office. Here with us now, a man who has nothing to live up to now, no expectations to live up to, adam moss. Adam, what was your great takeaway from the president s interview . Hes he is himself. I mean, he chose five days of his presidency. We lightly edited the whole thing. He speaks in complete paragraphs. When you say he is himself. Does that include being stubbornly barack obama . It does. Not playing by the rules of washington . Well, it means being utterly reasonable, and knowing and thinking that he is utterly reasonable. Right. It means being somewhat defensive, as he is in news
things, protecting his sort of his legacy from attacks on the left, attacks on the right. Really trying to what this really is a sort of early draft of his memoirs. Hes trying it out. We asked him to pick five days of his presidency he thought were important, and thats what he does. Then we supplemented around it with joe biden, who is hilarious, actually, if you read the full transcript. And you know, his versions and john kerry and his trip his negotiations with iran. And really wonderful thing, eric holder on his trip to ferguson, so its a lot of in the room stuff. About these years, and its also an attempt to tell, sort of the entire story, widely and crazily ambitious of the last eight years in america, trying to make sense of it in retrospect as of now. Trying to understand it as a Civil Rights Movement, a bigger Civil Rights Movement than i
think it felt ever at the time. And its a kind of tapestry of actual sort of news reel and interjections almost sort of commentary. What was in it for the president to cooperate at this point with his memoirs at least a year away . I think hes trying out. You know, i think there are things even at this moment that he, i think he is very invested in his legacy, in spite of the fact his people say he doesnt care about that right now. I think he is quite invested in it. Hes trying to very, very gently reshape narratives, settle scores a little bit. You know, hes very in the first of these, hes sort of talking about a day, a week into his presidency, when it becomes clear, john boehner announces he is going to recommend that they reject the stimulus bill before the stimulus bill has actually
been put through. And its sort of at that moment that he realizes his entire presidency will be one of obstruction, and he takes us in between, inside the rooms and the real conversations hes been having with boehner. Does he take any responsibility for that, though, is there any reflection of the low moments, the red line with syria, whats happened in aleppo . Any remorse, any regret . Not that moment. He does talk, one of the dates he chose was the day after scott brown is elected. And so he talks about how he moved to plan b. On health care and how he was his responsibility for getting them into a situation where they had lost the senate. They lost more midterm seats than any president in american history. Yeah, well. Two midterms of his presidency, they lost more seats as a party than any president in american history. Bill clinton in 94 when that happened to him, was really
introspective and took it on his shoulders, even brought in dick morris. Now thats thats low. That is that is taking it to the wall, but brought in dick morris and brought in a guy who everybody around him hated who actually taught them how to beat the hell out of the republicans. Right. Any sense at all that barack obama took this on his shoulders . Instead of just blaming the republicans . Because their reflex has always been to just simply blame the republicans . Its hard to tell. From what we have, its hard to tell what his feeling is. Its a conversation that axelrod has with him after the lowest point in his presidency, and he asks him, you know, do you regret running . Do you regret having put yourself through all this . And he, you know, and this is their version of history. So you know, his version is no, just going to stick at it. I think hes always felt that in the end, hell be proved right. I think thats always been his perspective. And thats where we are. How head ready is he to get out of office . I dont know the answer to that question, but one would sense, pretty ready. They always are. Yes. I think he was actually ready in 2011. Anyway. All right, well, the new issue of new York Magazine is out now. Adamic thank you so much. Thank you for having me. Cant wait to read it. Looks absolutely fantastic. That will be it for this mornings edition of morning joe. Kind of crazy morning. Yeah. I think we may get a few polls. Lets do it all again tomorrow. You want to . Not for three hours. Stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage after a quick break. Thanks for watching. Matters. Both on the track and thousands of miles away. With the help of at t, Red Bull Racing can share critical information about every inch of the car from virtually anywhere. Brakes are getting warm. Confirmed, daniel you need to cool your brakes. Understood, brake bias back 2 clicks. Giving them the agility to have speed precision. Because no one knows like at t. Its what the National Debt could do to our economy. If we dont solve our debt problem 19 trillion and growing money for programs like education will shrink. In just 8 years, interest on the debt will be our Third Largest federal program. Bad news for Small Businesses. The good news . Theres still time for a solution. Ask the candidates for a plan to secure our future. For the best deals on electronics, travel, even shoes. So why not loans . Visit lendingtree. Com today and get up to five free loan offers
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