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Good morning. It is thursday, september 22nd. Welcome to why tmorning joe. Happy to be here. Columnist and contributor mike barnicle. Nothing . They seem kind of like mechanical. Its like being asleep when big papi is at the plate. Economic analyst Steve Rattner is here. What happened rattner it wasnt that. Epic. All right. In tampa, florida, managing editor of Bloomberg Politics and cohost of with all due respect at 6 00 p. M. On msnbc, mike halperin. And in princeton, new jersey, chair of the department of africanamerican studies and columnist for time magazine, eddie glaude jr. You didnt have to drive the cab . No. Wasnt it tony robbins that talked about if you want selffulfillment, you have to help other people. We always carry that with us. I think what are you talking about . The kids of the orphanage have done a lot to help people. I think this may be the best. We want to give this to you to give to your father. What . What are you talking about . Is it his birthday . No. Should i . What are you talking about . What are you doing . This was hard. It was very hard. Where did you get that . Make the north pole great again. Thats for your dad. Winters will never be cold again. Where did you get your hands on that . The kids. Give that to your father. Red sox, five up. Another huge win last night. Thank you for the sweater. Nice about the red sox. Now we have to get down to business. Serious news to get to. A second night of violent protests in charlotte, North Carolina. The states governor declared a state of emergency after violent clashes between protesters and Police Following the policeinvolved shooting death of a black man. The announcement was made amid escalating tensions in that city tweeting he initiated efforts to deploy the National Guard and Highway Patrol to assist local Law Enforcement. One person is on life support in Critical Condition after being shot during the demonstrations last night. Initially the city reported that person had been killed but later clarified the condition. Officials say the shooting did not involve a Police Officer. We will go live to charlotte in just a moment. Donald trump weighed in on the Police Shooting of on unarmed black man in tulsa, oklahoma. The officer in that shooting may have choked in the situation. I must tell you i watched the shooting in particular in tulsa. And that man was hands up. That man went to the car hands up. Put his hand on the car. To me it looked like he did everything youre supposed to do. And he looked like a really good man. This young officer, i dont know what she was thinking. I dont know what she was thinking, but im very, very troubled by that. The fraternal order of police endorsed trump last week but their executive director scolded trump to be mindful of due process before jumping to conclusions. The shooting obviously in oklahoma, theres just no explanation for it. Its not like ferguson where we have to talk to a lot of different witnesses. Its not even like freddie gray in baltimore. We have eyes in the sky over that and we see exactly whats happening. Right, we do. And, you know, joe, this is such a difficult ritual where we have to witness over and over again, it seems, the senseless death of someone in the black community. And the fact is that we have the evidence. We have already seen the kind of narrative thats being spun. Police say they found pcp in the car. She said he appeared as if he was on drugs. This was the most shes ever feared in her life. Look at him. I know youve seen this. Hands against his car. Legs spread apart doing absolute walking slowly. I dont know what people shes seen on pcp before. He does not look like a man under the influence of anything. Look at that. And, joe, we can extract a person who planted bombs in chelsea. That person come out alive. Your car can stall on a highway and youre dead. It makes absolutely no sense. We show from behind walking slowly. Hands in the air do absolutely everything that the police would ask him to do. Hands now up. Youre right. You can find a terrorist, get him out alive, but a guy in an suv arms in the air. It seems to me theres absolutely no way that they can have the areas prosecutor handle this. They have got to have somebody thats independent and outside that region because unless theres more evidence that comes out, i dont know how you dont charge this Police Officer. I completely agree. I completely agree. Look, this is part of we can connect this to charlotte if we want to. This is part of the problem. Theres a sense in which we see this video and then this insistence that africanamericans across the country and americans generally trust the process but its the process thats called into question in these moments, joe. Let me just say this real quickly. One of the most exhausting things about being black in this country is that we have to convince people, we have to convince White America of what is actually happening in our communities. Here we have a video clearly a video of a man with his hands up seemingly complying in every way, shape, form and fashion like we thought we saw with castil castillo. And eric gardner. What do we get in the end . A dead black man in the street. Weve been going over this a lot. Two things bare minimum have to happen on a state and national level. Number one, body cameras on every cop. We needed to see what was happening on ground level. And if the camera is disabled at the time of a killing, then the burden of proof is on the cop to explain why his or her body cam was not working and secondly, you have to have independent prosecutors looking at this from outside the districts from where these shootings occur. Those are two basic steps. They would go a long way in stopping these trends. Go ahead, eddie. Lets look at the context of North Carolina. North carolina just passed a law saying that they would not release video footage, body camera footage, to the public. Even if we get it thats a Justice Department question. This is a national this is a national tragedy. It impacts Law Enforcement officers across the nation. The Justice Department should step in and need to take control of this. This is a problem that North Carolina cant say, hey, this is particular to our state. Its nationwide. I would also just say we talked about finding pcp in the car. Why did that mean he had to be shot . If they found weed in my car or a bag of something in my car or i looked like i was drunk or on something, they wouldnt shoot me. If youre white, if youre from the neighborhoods that we live in and your arms are in the air, you could have pounds of coke in the back and be straight out of miami vice and you wouldnt get treated like that. Exactly, joe. It gets to the other question that you need right now. You need a full forensic breakdown of what happened here. You need why was the car stopped in the middle of the road . A rural road, no other traffic, why such a Massive Police presence . Who shot first . The taser or the lethal shot to the person . And then youve got to figure out we have to figure out, White America has to figure out the reality, the reality that to be black in america is to view things like this as part of a daily epidemic, as part of a daily danger that arrives when you walk out of your apartment. I actually think when you have Newt Gingrich saying this a couple months back, you even have donald trump yesterday saying they choked, were getting to a point where most of america understands that. It is time for legislators, governors, ags to step up and take the steps of reform. But yesterday you had donald trump clearly a graduate of the Trump University law school calling for stop and frisk. In these two cases, you have two dead black citizens of the United States of america who were already stopped. All right. So the what were going to do is were going to get the latest of the violent protests but other breaking political news this morning to report. Just four days away from the first president ial debate and this morning we have very revealing new nbc wall street journal poll. Among likely voters, the poll Shows Hillary clinton with a sixpoint national lead. Shes at 43 to donald trump at 37 . Gary johnson at 9 . Jill sign at 3 . Her lead is at seven points in a twoway matchup. Looking deeper in the poll, there are clear differences in perception between donald trump and Hillary Clinton. On matters like the economy and terrorism and national security, the two compare favorably but voters prefer clintons approach to immigration by 11 and when asked who would be better to handle nuclear weapons, clinton leads 26 . On a question of who was honest and trustworthy. Trump has the upper hand. We have to stop right there. Hold the phone. Ive got to believe this is the number that brooklyn stares at. Donald trump, 41 . Ten points. Man who is a human Fact Checking creator. I looked at that poll yesterday and i was quite astonished. Its been that way for about a month now. Its been that way. I was stunned because of what you say because donald trump can run around and backtrack on things that he said about iraq. About the birther. He rewrote history blaming Hillary Clinton and the rest of it and this is where it sits. The problem for mrs. Clinton is shes had one problem after another. Most recently of course being the Health Problem and pneumonia and so forth. Its tough. Mark halperin, yesterday we talked to robby mook and asked if they plan to change their approach to the media at all after the pneumonia scare and he said, no, absolutely not. Everything is fine. Were very pleased with how that went. You look at these poll numbers though, despite her problems and despite fear and loathing in the National Press over the past week, donald trump is going to win this, it looks like last couple of days polls have come out that show a sort of back to where we were before hillarys collapse. Yeah. I mean, look, the winner of this election on election day will have traits with the public in those kind of poll numbers you talked about that are not going to look great. Neither of them is going to revitalize or revolutionize their image between now and election day. The National Polls do know that trump still needs a surge. He needs a National Surge to get more towards the mid 40s in his ballot number than he has right now and hes being held back by despite the fact that people see him as more honest and trustworthy. There are traits includes on handling issues where shes stronger including things like terrorism where trump would very much like to have the upper hand. On friday there was his press conference on the birtherism and the switch and the press was angry because trump played them the way he did. The last couple polls show that issue, him bringing it up, having to admit he was wrong all along, may have depressed his support. Are you getting that sense . You know, im not sure how much real people even paid attention to that back and forth. Ill correct you. You said it was a press conference. As we know, it wasnt. It was a statement. Supposed to be a press conference. And the only reason i bring that up is except for talking to fox news, hes not talked to any other media that i know of about this. I still think hes got more explaining to do because of the sensitivity of this issue, because of the dark blot on his mark for the position he held for so long against the facts. There were three fox polls that came out in key states that showed him with decent sized leads. Well get to that right now. But like i said, i still think he needs either through the debate or some other way he needs a national sushrge or he going to come up short. On having the right temp temperament, clinton leads 52 to 23 . The next most concerning about trump, his comments about women, immigrants and muslims. One of the things that concerns me most, his love affair with vladimir putin. Only 13 . I think thats the most disturbing for the Foreign Policy implications of that and not knowing what his relationship is with russia and why he wont release his tax returns and why he keeps saying nice things about putin and why he went on putins network, that for me is about as disturbing as the muslim ban. When asked the same question about clinton, 36 cited her judgment on syria, libya and iraq. 29 are most concerned about her use of a private email server for state department work. 50 of Hillary Clinton voters say that that last slide. Im actually glad hold on. Not nevada. The last slide said something about they are more concerned about policy and more concerned about decisions she disagreed with on policy then they are about the server. Her judgment on syria, iraq and libya. 36 . Email server down at 29 . Deplorable next to nothing. Health issues next to nothing. I think thats a very positive sign. Right. 50 of Hillary Clintons voters say their vote is in support of Hillary Clinton more so than it is against donald trump. Look at trump voters. 51 say their vote is against Hillary Clinton opposed to 41 who say its for the republican nominee. Willie, my gosh, i know you hear the same thing that i do. Lifelong republicans will say in one breath, im not going to vote for donald trump and then youre going to vote for Hillary Clinton . Im going to vote for trump. I hear it over and over again. People who do not want to vote for him but will not under any circumstance for Hillary Clinton. And Hillary Clinton has the same problem. Shes not as bad as trump on that number but 43 of her support her voting against donald trump. Were not seeing a ton of affirmative voting in this election. You have people that find the other person unacceptable. Theyre voting negatively. On the two issues things, Clinton Campaign has been driving temperament as the criticism of donald trump. Hes unfit to be president. It looks like thats registering. Number one complaint people have about trump. The Trump Campaign has been driving for a couple weeks deplorables as argument against Hillary Clinton and that hasnt stuck. Thats down at 9 . Its not sticking. I would say i talked to a lot of republicans believe it or not as well. Some would say damn it ill vote for trump. A fair number say im not voting. Im going write in gary johnson. I hear republicans say ill leave the top line blank and vote republican straight down. These are people that are giving a lot to make sure republicans keep control of the senate and house. People that have been all in their entire life. Some of the most extraordinary examples that weve seen are people who have been very, very active in fundraising with the Republican Party their entire life and their wives and their daughters have said no. Heard that story more than once from even biggest donors from four years ago. Cant do it even if i wanted to do. My wife and my daughter would not talk to me again. Lets look at the state polls. Marquette University Poll shows a close race in wisconsin. Clinton at 41 . Trump at 38. Thats a shocking number right there. Three points. Gary johnson polling at double digits at 11 . Well have to see what happens with gary johnson. Hes hurting Hillary Clinton particularly with Younger Voters who wall street journal nbc poll shows are not as enthused about this election. Gary johnson will not be in the first debate. I think trump has a much better chance to win these battleground states in a state like wisconsin if he doesnt need to get above 45. Are you surprised by wisconsin . Im not. Again, johnson taking up 11 . You think about where that vote would go. I think a lot would go to her. This race nationally and individual states may be won by clinton or trump with 43 , 44 , not getting to a majority. Thats why clinton struggles in some places to get much above that. That leaves her vulnerable with johnson and stein. I think right now hurting her more than trump as look as they stay high. Im very skeptical johnson is going to get 11 . You get someone going into a voting booth and they see top two names down there and dig down for the other candidates, if you say candidate one, two, three, four. They dont want to admit theyre voting for trump or clinton. I think the whole picture is going to change after the debate on monday. I think it will reset the whole thing. Two other points, Hillary Clinton, part of her bench strength if you want to call it in terms of her potential success in november is going to rely on a vast number of hold your nose voters who are going to go in very reluctant to vote for her but finally pull the trigger for her in november. The other aspect of it that you get a real undercurrent a very strong feeling. It will be a low turnout. A lot of people will say, you know something i cant do it. To your point, joe, when you look at the polls that are a twoway race rather than a fourway race, hillary picks up a little bit. I really do think its just a gut feeling. I really do think you take those two numbers and its somewhere in the middle. If hillary is up seven points in one and three in the other, its a fivepoint race. If you think about what turnout is going to be in a state like florida where the president ial elections have been close for a while. On one hand i agree. People dont love these two candidates. That means people may stay home. May vote for gary johnson and may not fade the way the normal process works. Think of how engaged people are. People are talking about a debate having 100 million more watching it. Every battleground state i go to are talking about the race. Those two megafactors kind of cross cut in terms of just how big turnout will be. Lets whip through fox news polls that give trump an edge. Statistical tie in nevada where trump takes 43 , Hillary Clinton, 40 . Gary johnson polling 8 there. In North Carolina, 45 over 40 lead for trump and johnson at 6. A new poll has that state tied 4141 in threeway race with johnson. Thats North Carolina as well. Trump has a fivepoint lead in the pivotal state of ohio. 42 with clinton at 37. In New Hampshire, clinton holds a comfortable ninepoint lead, 4738 with johnson in double digits at 10 points. Mark halperin, digest those polls for us. We still dont know sometimes state polls are leading indicators and sometimes lagging indicators. If you allocate the states according to those polls willie cited, trump will come up short giv given him nevada and ohio hes still going to come up short. Its almost like everybody is going to their corners because the traditionally republican states seem to be breaking republican. New hampshire and pennsylvania the last couple polls have shown Hillary Clinton with comfortable leads there. Again, thats why i say i think while their focus is on battleground states, hes going to need a National Surge. Thats why the debate is key. Trump needs to find some way to win over he needs to be better with white voters, with men, with married people, with College Educated people. I think thats going to require some sort of National Push either a problem for her or a successful debate for him. We have a lot more to get to. Still ahead on morning joe, a live report from charlotte after a violent night. Plus i listened to my colleague from russia and i sort of felt a little bit like in a parallel universe here. How can people go sit at a table with a regime that bombs hospitals and drops chlorine gas again and again and again. Thank you, john kerry, for saying that. John kerry unloads at the u. N. John kirby joins us. And later chuck todd, rick tyler and Steve Kornacki joined our political roundtable. Youre watching morning joe. Now having said this, why arent i 50 points ahead you might ask. Well the choice for working families has never been clearer. I need your help to get Donald Trumps record out to everybody. Nobody should be fooled. You both have a perfect driving record. Perfect. No tickets, no accidents. That is until one of you clips a food truck ruining your perfect record. Yeah. Now you would think your Insurance Company would cut you some slack, right . No, your insurance rates go through the roof. Your perfect record doesnt get you anything. Anything. Perfect. 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Several were hurt during the protest in the uptown section of the city. Officers in riot gear once again used tear gas to try to disperse the crowd. Several people were arrested. This marked the second night of violence in the wake of the fatal Police Shooting of keith scott on tuesday. Police say scott was given multiple warnings by officers to drop his weapon but a witness at the scene says scott did not have a gun and was reading a book in his car when he was shot and a Police Source confirms that in an image obtained by our local affiliate there appears to be a gun at keith scotts feet in the moments after he was shot. Lets go to charlotte. Reporter things are much more calm in charlotte compared to what they were last night when hundreds of protesters were marching through these streets protesting the shooting death of 43yearold keith scott. Anger and racial tensions boiling over after yet another officerinvolved shooting. Now, these protesters going on for a second night bringing out police in riot gear forcing them to have to use their rubber bullets, also having to use tear gas just to try to break up the crowd and get them to leave. These protests started out yesterday peaceful at a park and then they escalated and got more violent through the night. Were told that several of these protesters went inside hotels, attacked some workers and at one point where they get to center city of charlotte, were told thats when shots rang out. A protester was shot and police are adamant here saying that protester was shot by a civilian and not by an officer. Nonetheless, violence continued and other officers were injured in the protests as well as civilians all taken to the hospital. At one point demonstrators marched through uptown charlotte. They went out to an interstate i277. The loop that surrounds the heart of this city. Got out there. Police were able to corral them back to the center of the city and eventually able to get them to leave. Governor pat mccrory called in for backup calling the National Guard and Highway Patrol to try to help police here. Meantime, the officer accused of killing keith scott is on paid leave. Mika, back to you. Thank you very much. Donald trump held a roundtable with some of his close aides and a group of black pastors in ohio yesterday morning where he defended his calls for africanamericans to join his Campaign Like the one he made in North Carolina on tuesday. Our africanamerican communities are absolutely in the worst shape that theyve ever been in before, ever, ever, ever. You take a look at the intercities, you get no education. You get no jobs. You get shot walking down the street. Honestly, places like afghanistan are safer than some of our inner cities. I want to thank the Africanamerican Community. I dont know if you have been watching but the poll numbers are going like a rocket ship. Its interesting. I went down a list of problems in the inner cities. I said there three or four times before. I go down the list. I talked about the crime. I talked about the lack of education. The bad schools. I talked about jobs. The jobs are just so bad. I said it three, four, five times. And then one day i said what do you have to lose . I mean what do you have to lose . Im going to fix it. What do you have to lose . And somehow that resonated. Some people didnt like it. I said, what difference does it make . Its true. What do you have to lose . Trumps campaign has been touting the Los Angeles Times usc tracking poll that shows trump up 20 points with black voters and clinton dropping from 90 to 71 last week. You look at the rioting in the streets and it represents something that this country is really coming to terms with and has been over the past decade which is inequality on every level. Eddie, what do you make of not just trumps comments and reaction, which i do think touch on something, whether we find them to be appropriate comments or not, hes speaking to a condition out there. Lets be very clear. There are segments and portions of the Africanamerican Community that are struggling. Not only struggling but suffering in very clear and distinct ways. I think what donald trump has been doing is engaging in kind of dog whistle politics in the name of appealing to black voters. Its not really a whistle. Its a fog horn. And then to set up a set of policy responses. You think about it. He describes the black community in that way and then recommends stop and frisk. Stop and frisk, which is a resoundly rejected by black communities. We need to understand what that means. Are things worse now than theyve ever been in black communities . Ive seen statistics that suggest thats actually not the case. That unemployment is down. That crime is certainly radically down over the past few decades. Its not 1989. Its not 1990. Its not 1991. Things have improved in black communities, have they not . Certainly not 1890, right . Its certainly not the context of jim crow or slavery. Things have improved but relative to White America were still struggling. We can look at the wage gap. We can look at poor black working communities. We dont want to overstate the case. We want to speak to black social trump would seem to me to put you in a difficult position because hes saying things are the worst that theyve ever been. Well, theyre not. At the same time, theres still a long way to go in a lot of communities. Hes not the messenger, joe. Hes not really talking to black folk. Hes not talking to black communities. When we look at whats happening in charlotte, we have to place that within the context of whats happened in North Carolina. We have to in terms of conservative policies that have strangled working black people. When we think about what happened in charlotte, we have to think about what happened in december of 2013. He had an accident. Ran toward the cops. He was killed. Officers were indicted. Charged but a mistrial. We have to think of this in the context of whats gone viral over the last few days. What about economic arguments that trump makes . Youve got nothing to lose. It really does borrow actually from the conservative argument that democrats have run urban cities for 40, 50 years and look at the trend lines over those 40, 50 years. Its been absolutely horrific. Trumps borrowing that. Something you might read in National Review or weekly standard, wall street journal editorial page. Whats your counter to that argument . Its disingenuous, joe. They have run cities in light of the challenge and around federal government, shrinking federal government. We can begin to talk about, you know, what do we have to lose . Republicans who are purging voter roles. Closing School Districts impacting our communities. Part of what we have to do is kind of ask the question of whether or not donald trump is engaging in good faith, engaging the black community in good faith. I can make the claim that Many Democrats dont engage the black community in good faith. It doesnt follow from that that the Republican Party is the option. The Republican Party honestly, joe, hasnt put forward policies that will address not only the conditions of the black community but the conditions of reverend al sharpton will be our guess and well be back in just a moment. Theres never been a worst time to be a black person. I mean, he missed that civics lesson about slavery and jim crow. Hey gary, whatd you got here . This bad boy is a mobile trading desk so that i can take my Trading Platform wherever i go. You know that thinkorswim seamlessly syncs across all your devices, right . Oh, so my custom studies will go with me . 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John kerry has credibility to do that because hes been fighting hard day in and day out to strike a deal with the russians. I think most of america, the world community, was waiting for that moment yesterday and it was an important moment. There you see the secretary of state speaking during a United Nations Security Council meeting yesterday. Joining us now, spokesperson for the state department, john kirby. Very good to have you. Thanks for having me back. A possible change in policy now. Theres a possibility of supporting nofly zones. Its not really a change in policy. He referenced this yesterday. Trying to move the cessation of hostilities forward and one way to get there is get aircraft out of the air. Theres only two types of aircraft in syria in areas where humanitarian aid isnt getting and thats russian and syrian. Can we work on getting them out of the air long enough so aid can get in. How do we get them out of the air when its the strategy to starving the people of aleppo to death. Theres no way this war ends. If they arent out of the air and we cant get a cessation of hostilities, the war will just go on and on. Thats not in russias interest. I think if they were being honest with you in a moment, they would tell you they realize thats not in their interest. The other thing is they want cooperation with the u. S. Military in syria. They want this joint implementation stood up. We were very honest this week. There will be no establishment of that if we cant get calm and aid to those people. If this continues, shouldnt the United States destroy syrias airplanes on the ground . I dont think were talking about u. S. Military solutions here. The president has been very clear that theres not going to be a military solution to this civil war in syria. It has to be political. They are using military weapons to starve the people of aleppo, to barrel bomb as you said. The world community, does it really have any choice if it doesnt destroy their instruments of warfare that theyre using against their own people, than the slaughter, the genocide will continue. Absolutely it will. Thats why were pushing on russia, which has influence over assad and can get them out of the air if they so choose. Theyve done it before back in february when it the cessation of hostilities first started. It wasnt no violence but reduced 70 to 80 . They with do it. Whats not clear is whether theyre willing to do it or able to do it where assad is resistance to the influence that we know russia has. It was the russians that blew up the convoy. Only two types of aircraft flying over those areas. I wont get into intelligence issues here. But we certainly know that there was no Coalition Aircraft responsible for this in any way what stov whatsoever. It was clear that hes not happy with the russians behavior. Everyone was happy that we had an agreement and now theyve violated it in a number of ways so at what point do you say to yourself we cant do business with these people because they cant be trusted . I think you saw a lot of frustration from secretary kerry. Weve been very clear. Were at a critical moment. The secretary talked about that. Were hanging by a thread here and weve been honest with them. The arrangement reached last week in geneva will not happen if they cant help us to influence assad to get a cessation of hostilities how long. Theres a meeting today right here across the street and i think its going to be a key meeting to kind of figure out where we really are in moving this forward. I dont know the answer how long. I dont know how much longer its going to take. I can tell you when the members of the International Syria support group met a couple days ago, all 22, russia included, all agreed that trying to move this forward was still worthwhile and there was still gas in the tank, and i think they want to see just how much is left in that tank today. Yesterday at this time we had a leader of the Syrian Opposition sitting in the chair youre sitting in right now and came on the show and was pleading for help from the west. She said this has been going on. Someone has to step up and say enough is enough. What do you say to her and the people suffering there right now . Obviously we share their deep concerns, and we are fighting very hard on their behalf. I know that it doesnt always look that way to them when you keep seeing barrel bombs being dropped and chlorine gas and images such as what youre showing right now and that toddler in the ambulance. I know its hard. We continue to believe that more war is not the answer. More violence isnt the answer. Weve got to get the two sides to sit down and talk about this and get a transitional governing process in place. That cant happen unless the violence stops. That cant happen unless the aid gets in. I would tell her that we are squarely in their corner and working not just to stop the violence today but to try to stop the war tomorrow and to try to build a syria where they can go home. We have almost 6 million refugees outside of the country. And about that many displaced inside the country. These people want to go home. And thats going to take some time. We are absolutely committed to that. Is there a breaking point in which the United States would change its policy and try Something Different and does that breaking point go beyond the election . I dont know the answer to timing. I certainly wouldnt speculate one way or the other about policy options. We have always said that this is the best option forward. That other options, plan bs, if you will, are not ideal. Its not that there arent other things you can do. None of them are better than trying to get sides to sit down and politically work through this. Weve also always said that were willing to consider other options Going Forward if the political diplomatic track fails. Not like there arent active discussions inside the agency about what we can do if that happens . John kirby, thank you very much. Thanks for coming on. Thanks for having me. Appreciate you being here. Were back in just a moment. On the phone, youre just a voice. Yeah, im good. For fast rewards, lets book on choice. This trip could really help us grow. Should i stay or should i go . When its time to go for business, book on choicehotels. Com and get a free night when you stay with us two times. Book direct at choicehotels. Com using 60,000 points from my chase ink card i bought all the framework. Wire. And plants needed to give my shop. A face. No one will forget. 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And moderator of meet the press chuck todd in chicago cofounder and publisher of real clear politics tom bevan and rick tyler. Everybody about Rolling Stones and kiss here, man. This is huge. We have enough people here i can do that roundtable question. Its a brady bunch. Marcia, marcia, marcia. Well do a quick goaround. I asked a couple weeks ago if the election was over. Everyone said it. This gets everyone in trouble. Let me start with you, tom. The nbc news wall street journal poll because the guy to your immediate right is in charge of that. That is a gold standard. Its a gold standard. It seems to show some spacing, tom, there that other polls are suggesting as well while we have tightness in state polls. Right now, whats the state of the race . Youre right, that poll does show clinton with a wider lead than weve seen in other polls. If you look at the state polls, it doesnt jive that clinton would have sixpoint, seven point lead nationally but trail in places like ohio and florida or even tied in florida. I think the race again look iin at the data, clinton stabilized a one to twopoint lead nationally and in battleground states its nip and tuck. Chuck todd, i really think nbc news wall street journal poll is about where people like you and i felt like it was going to be. You sensed that Hillary Clinton stabilized a bit. That certainly seemed to be the case in the poll last night. Whats your feeling on the general state of the race . It feels like she has a lead. Biggest development over the last two weeks is that he has a path to 270. She has more of them. He has some. But i think that you do need also to take into account when our poll was conducted friday through monday and, you know, our pollsters dont think theres any one thing they actually dont believe that the race tightened as much as some polls had shown ten days ago. But you cant tell me that the birther incident on friday didnt have an impact. That was the entire poll. The poll started on friday, it had to have a huge impact. Mark halperin, state of the race right now. Whos ahead right now and what trend lines do you see . She has a lead. She has more paths as chuck said to 270 electoral votes. I still think he needs some kind of National Push to get his number in key states more like 44, 45, 46 in the vote in the fourway contest for him to have a chance to win the handful of states he needs to win. If he can win ohio, florida, North Carolina, all states where hes at least a little bit ahead or competitive, then were talking about a contest that could come down to the three debates or some other development late that allows trump to win enough republicans to squeak this out. Going into the first debate a lot of people think that hillary has stabilized and is in good shape. How do you feel state of the race right now . Whos ahead by how much . Clinton is ahead but begrudgingly. I look at the map every day, youre looking at a brexit like turnout to put trump over the top. You say thats what would be required . I think halperin is right. You need to get to that 45. There has to be some group of voters that pollsters arent picking up like in the brexit vote and other thing causing hillary problems is younger millennials are going to third party. Libertarian who normally draw from the republican and black voter enthusiasm is way down. The stunning number again in the nbc news wall street journal poll absolutely staggering by tenpoint margin donald trump is seen as more honest and straightforward than Hillary Clinton. Its been her problem. Trump is utterly unqualified for the job so its why the race is as close as it is. I look at real clear politics running average where you check polls and aggregate them over time. Other than a brief period in august and brief period earlier in the year shes maintained a small margin or large margin. Secondly, if you look at the map and you believe democrats are in a strong position in virginia, it gets so hard for trump to piece the rest of it together to get to that 270. Willie, nate silver that ive always been a huge fan of. Look back at the records. Ive always said hes huge. Hes fantastic. Go back and look at the records. I always said that nate silver is fantastic. Okay, donald. Hes now saying its like 59. 28764 to 41. Nate silver saying its getting closer. What say you . Nate silver tweets out one of those warning shots every couple months where he says hillary voters are getting too fat and happy. This race is closer than you think. He said two weeks ago trump had 3 chance. Whatever the numbers mean. To marks point, if you look at the new polls, trump is a fourway race in the new wall street journal nbc race is only at 37 . That has to come up to win. End of story. Looking at nbc news number, Hillary Clintons 43 that she wins by, the exact number that bill clinton had when he won in 1992. Joe, the most underreported number in our poll and one thats more telling and should have the rnc really nervous, among those that either handful voted or plan to be early voters, Hillary Clinton has a much bigger lead. You can just see the its the one way to see whos got a ground game and whos talking and anybody in our poll that identified themselves as an early likely voter, it is very much more orientated toward clinton. It is a reminder that she has the organizational edge and you can see it when it comes to the early vote. We have headlines to talk about this morning that could shape the debate between the candidates. A second night of violent protests in charlotte, North Carolina. The states governor declared a state of emergency after violent clashes between protesters and Police Following the Police Shooting death of a black man. Meanwhile, one person is on life support in Critical Condition after being shot during the demonstrations last night. Initially the city reported that person had been killed but later clarified the condition. Officials say that shooting did not involve a Police Officer. Were going to get a live report from charlotte in just a moment. And now to the breaking political news. The revealing wa ining nbc wal journal poll. Hillary clinton at 43 to Donald Trumps 37 . Gary johnson is at 9 . Jill stein is at 3 . Looking deeper in the poll, clear differences in perception between donald trump and Hillary Clinton. On matters like the economy and terrorism and national security, they compare favorably but voters prefer clintons approach to immigration by 11 and when asked who would better handle nuclear weapons, clinton leads at 51 . On having the right temperament, clinton leads by 33 . And on being knowledgeable enough, clinton leads by 37 . Voters nationwide are most concerned about trumps temperament. 33 . The next most concerning issue, his comments about women, immigrants and muslims. When asked the same question about clinton, 36 cited her judgment on syria, libya and iraq. 29 most concerned about her use of a private email server for state department work. 50 of Hillary Clinton voters say their vote is in support of Hillary Clinton more so than it is against donald trump. But look at trump voters. 51 say their vote is against Hillary Clinton as opposed to 41 that say its for the republican nominee. Tom bevan, it looks like there will be a proliferation of hate voting. Unbelievable. For donald trump if you support him, more than half of them are voting for him because they dont like Hillary Clinton and not because they like donald trump. Theres not affirmative voting but negative voting that will go on in november. Almost unprecedented in terms of the dislike that the public feels to both of these candidates and choice theyre going to be forced to make in seven weeks. It will be interesting to see how that plays in the battleground states. We talked about it earlier. You know, on one hand you could argue that there would be lower turnout. On the other hand, we have two candidates with 100 name i. D. And such engagement. I think it will be a huge potential turning point in this campaign. Trump has to get over the temperament issue. He hasnt moved the needle on that at all so far. And obviously clinton, her biggest vulnerability is shes not seen as honest and trustworthy. They wont cover that in the space of 90 minutes. Shell have to play to her strength which is experience and temperament. Lets look at state polling. A poll in very shows trump cut secretary clintons lead in half still ahead by seven points, 44 to 37. Eight Percentage Points for gary johnson. Marquette University Poll, clinton at 41, trump at 38, johnson at 11. Fox news polls of swing states giving trump an edge. A statistical tie in nevada where trump takes 43 , clinton 40 and johnson at 8. In North Carolina, 4540 over Hillary Clinton. Johnson at 6 there. A new college poll has North Carolina tied 4141 in a threeway ris with johnson in the mix. 42 to clintons 37 in ohio with johnson at 6 and stein down at 2. Lets stop there for a second. Mark halperin, if you told anybody four weeks ago that donald trump was going to be ahead in nevada, this far ahead in North Carolina, this far ahead in ohio, this far ahead in so many of these states, i think a lot of people would be as shocked as several million Hillary Clinton supporters who just cant believe that this man, like you said, has a pathway to the presidency now. Look, there are seven or eight states that are going to determine the outcome here. There are outliers that come into play. If you slot trump ohio. Slot him North Carolina. Slot him nevada. Then florida becomes critical. Ive been here for a couple days now. This state is as always as chuck knows its a toss up. Both sides are confident in winning it. If you give him florida, he has a way to go. Add in iowa. He still has to win New Hampshire or pennsylvania. Maybe one electorate in maine. Trump still has to win a lot of states that clinton can afford to lose. If you give him that first basket of states where hes currently ahead, were talking about people worried about a trump presidency, the prospect of an october surprise giving trump the win. You look at states like New Hampshire where a poll Shows Hillary clinton now up nine points. A comfortable lead. 47 to 38 . Also you look at recent pennsylvania polls that also show Hillary Clinton approaching double digit leads there. You can see it in our National Poll and by the way, you can be donald trump is going to be stronger in nevada, ohio, and florida than he is going to be in National Polls. I think one of the things in particular that weve seen and it all comes down to education split among white voters. He is just not performing well enough against heres the demographic number that jumped out at our pollsters most. Its not just College Educated whites. College educated white men. Two straight polls where that number has been tied. Mitt romney won College Educated men by 20 points. Okay. The reason he is not going to make pennsylvania a state he can carry or New Hampshire, those two states which his narrow path to 270, New Hampshire actually is pretty important to him. Thats a state with a high level of College Educated white voters and suburbs of philadelphia. He is not getting the number he needs in order to flip pennsylvania and it all centers around College Educated whites but in particular College Educated white men. Eddie, if we talk about another demographic, you talk about black voters that got out and made the difference in historic ways for barack obama in 2008 and 2012. Look at pennsylvania. This is a state that will go for donald trump and will tip the presidency to donald trump if minority voters dont get out aggressively especially in the pennsylvania area, in the philadelphia area where many times republicans lose 500,000 votes before you even start counting votes in central and western pennsylvania. Does Hillary Clinton have what it takes to get the voter turnout that barack obama got in 2008 and 2012 . Is any of that transferrable . We will have to see. Part of what im seeing in the poll data is that the battle for the soul of the Democratic Party that we saw in the primary is continuing in the president ial election. So we see the demographics that were supporting bernie sanders, young voters, black millennial voters, latino voters in some ways, right, they are skeptical of Hillary Clinton, and so part of what we need to see from her in this moment is not to my mind, and this is of course my opinion. She doesnt need to bank to the right. She needs to bank to the left. She needs to speak more forcefully to those constituencies if shes going to get them excited to turn out. What i think were seeing is the continued battle for the soul of the Democratic Party. Rick, let me ask you. White educated males going actually turning away from trump. They want to hear policy specifics. What does he do . Well hes given out policy specifics. Like . His tax plan. The economic plan in new york was pretty good. In terms of how are you going to defeat isis . Well have a secret plan. These things just dont wash. People want to know exactly what is he going to do . Hillary clinton actually knows what shes going to do and perhaps in a debate she can i think she needs to i think its going to come down to kp competence. She needs one sentence answer about the email. Dont be a lawyer. And secondly, shes going to need to explain why the middle east is the way it is. Thats her biggest weakness that came out in that poll. Explain it in a way that isnt her fault because the world is a complicated place. She doesnt have that right now. We want to move to charlotte but real quickly lets get a split screen. How do they move the numbers . How do they play to their strengths and alleviate weaknesses on monday night. Chuck, ill start with you. Its obvious. For him he has to show that he has the temperament issue thats the number one problem hes got. Over and above everything else. You saw that even tax returns doesnt move the needle on that front. Its temperament, temperament, temperament and her, judgment on middle east decisions was even a bigger issue for voters than emails, not to say emails arent there but it goes to i think she has a policy challenge not just this idea of meeting a threshold to say that she has learned her lesson on these honesty issues. Shes got to convince folks that shes going to do Something Different in the middle east. Mark halperin . Talking to strategist on both parties, theres consensus trump needs to be as was suggested gracious, serious, not sort of excitable. Try to put temperament stuff to rest. That seems to me to be within his control. Clinton i hear different things. Some people think she should basically ignore him. Just talk about herself. Talk about what she wants to do for the country and be gracious herself. Other people think she needs the opportunity to try to do whats been the Central Mission of the Clinton Campaign for a long time which is try to destroy trump and bring him down. I think she faces that really big strategic choice. Everybody tried that in the primary. Doesnt work. Dont try to destroy him on stage. Its not going to work. When you wrestle with a pig, you both get dirty. And as my grandmother told me, and the pig likes it. Joey, when you wrestle with a pig, you both get dirty and the pig likes it. The idea that donald trump in a 90minute debate can show a new temperament and hold it together for 90 minutes that erases 30 years of what weve seen of him in his public life. He cant do that. People know him. You cant suddenly be this calm statesman. Tom, do you agree with that . I dont know. Its a big risk reward for trump. Thats why the debate is important. If he can stand on stage and project that he has temperament and president ial like he did when he was down in mexico, for example, he might be able to move the numbers. There are not a lot of persuadables left out there. The small number that there are left, theyre going to be important especially in the states where its a one or twopoint race. All right. Thank you all for being with us. Still ahead on morning joe theres only one don king. Only one don. All right. You can say that again. Barred from the republican convention, don king drops jaws on the campaign trail with donald trump. Im shocked. But first, Steve Kornacki, im a little nervous. Hes really pissed. He joins us along with bill krystal. Well be right back. Guyhey nicole, happening here . This is my new alert system for whenever anything happens in the market. Kids a natural. But thinkorswim already lets you create custom alerts for all the things that are important to you. Shhh. Alerts on anything at all . 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Reporter overnight a rampage in North Carolinas largest city. Demonstrators clashing with officers in riot gear for a second straight night. Tear gas used to push the crowd back. Protestors tossing canste iningk at police. Its a tense atmosphere in downtown as demonstrators ran across a heavy Police Presence outside this hotel. A shot rings out. A protester down. Authorities say it was civilian gunfire and not police. The wounded man rushed to the hospital in Critical Condition. Throughout the night, at least four Police Officers hurt. Nbcs tammy leitner. You see a female officer who has been injured. Shes being helped by paramedics in riot gear. Unable to walk on her own. Reporter emotions fanned on social media since the shooting of tuesday. This new photo apparently showing a gun on the ground next to scott obtained from an eyewitness by our charlotte station wcnc. Police say scott was armed. Some eyewitnesses say he wasnt. He exited the vehicle armed with a handgun. Did you see any gun on him . I did not. No gun. It was a book. They say scott failed to follow his commands. He stepped out posing a threat to the officers. Williams says he was no threat. I see him getting out of the car like police told him to do. The officer who fired at scott is now on paid leave as frustration boils over. Why are you out here . Because i need the police to stop killing us. Stop killing us. That was nbcs Gabe Gutierrez with that report. Coming up, donald trump once complained about debates being on the same night as nfl games but ad buyers are already predicting the first debate will take a 20 bite out of monday night football. Our political roundtable continues with bill krystol and Steve Kornacki. How do you plan to stay cool when hillary personally attacks you in the debate . Well, theyve already spent hundreds of millions of dollars attacking me. I guess madison avenue said go after temperament. I always felt temperament was a good asset for me. 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I dont want Donald Trumps face on my back or front. Thats what he says on the air. Off the air trump is going to win. Dear, mr. Trump. Im openminded, right. I think i can help you. Look forward to chatting on november 9th. Bill has the trump tattoo. He doesnt need the sweater. Dont even go there. Build that wall. All right. We have something from halperin heilemann. They find that although donald trump likes to impersonate his opponents and critics, hes no rich little. Check it out. Jeb bush, jeb bush, donald trump is not a true conservative. Donald trump is not at 50 . More mitt romney. Donald trump shouldnt run. Conservative egg head donald trump. A couple papers, glenn beck. Donald trump. Donald trumps strategy doesnt work. The Washington Post donald trump wants to let japan go nuclear. Donald trump doesnt like nato. Donald trump will never run. I dont know if trump is going to win. He wont do well. He doesnt know Foreign Policy. He shouldnt be allowed on the debate stage. Donald trump isnt christian. Tim kaine, donald is this and that. Hillary clinton, donald trump, donald trump, donald trump, donald trump, donald trump, donald trump will not become the president. You wonder the range. Theres not much range. Its stunning. Idiot on tv is one of the fonts. All right. You saw what . Bill krystol. His name was there. Along with Political Correspondent Steve Kornacki. So brill krystol, you predic donald trump will be the next president. The only thing ive been right about this entire cycle is 3 1 2 weeks ago the sunday the Washington Post was planning their legislative agenda, measuring curtains to the oval office. You disagreed and people thought you were on trump side. This overheated environment to say analytically trump has a one in four chance of winning. This is what Hillary Clinton is doing wrong as a Political Campaign matter. Youre suddenly protrump. State of the race . I asked everybody earlier today state of the race. Do you think its tilting back to hillary a little bit . Stabilized with hillary up a couple points. I would say this. A big difference from being ahead 5145. Thats kind of your obama, mccain or romney poll. It means that 20 of the voters are either saying theyre undecided. Thats a lot of voters in play. Easier to come from behind if youre down 43 37. Thats on the high end of the range. You look at state polls and National Polls whether hillary is ahead, theyre in low 40s which means its not safe. Its not safe. That is the best thing, one of the best things trump has going right now. Its a fourway race in these polls. That means theres more of a ceiling on trump support right now than on Hillary Clinton. Youll see polls why she gets up to 47, 48 sometimes. You dont see him getting that high. If you have the vote spread out and johnson taking real votes, are they going to im sure you looked into this. If i take a poll of 1,000 registered voters in florida and i say are you going to vote for donald trump, Hillary Clinton or Steve Kornacki. Steve kornacki will get 12 . I could run at 10 right now. It has nothing to do with me. I think whether you want to call it a false positive or whatever, when you give people the choice for instance, would Evan Mcmullin not get 12 . Thats the question. Is this going to fade out. When they get in the voting booth its a choice between clinton and trump. The Debate Commission made its decision. Gary johnson is not getting on the stage. Ross perot got on the debate stage in 1992 and that made a difference. Gary gojohnson will not be ther. Lets assume that johnson, stein, mcmullin vote fades at the end. Wheres the default . Is Hillary Clinton a safer choice . You could make that argument or to donald trump as the change candidate. One thing that makes me think trump has a one in three or four chance is in a change environment, voters can decide to forgive a lot of faults of the change candidate and go for if they think hes less crazy than he looks. He says these things he shouldnt say. In the oval office he will be more sane and sensible but hell shake things up and bring change. I think Hillary Clinton has failed on that. I dont understand why. What would she change . I asked this to clinton supporters, what would Hillary Clinton the country is on the wrong track. Thats 21 sentiment among public. What would she do to put us on the right track . The map has always been tough for donald trump if you look at the coalition of states he would have to put together to do this. There are new swing state polls that show he has leads in places like North Carolina and ohio. Small leads or tied in florida. The map has gotten better for him over the last couple weeks. What hes always needed he needs two things. He has to lock down the states that mitt romney won in 2012. The big question for him there is North Carolina. Theres been some encouraging news out of North Carolina. Another one out this morning that puts it at 4141 in danger of losing carolina. If he locks down those states, which obama states are you picking off . The news for trump which is for the first time he moved ahead in average of the polls in a couple states. If you look in ohio, trump is up a couple points in the average of the polls. If you look at iowa, hes up. Nevada now with new polling hes up and if you look at florida, dead even. If you add those two romney states hes still not at 270 but hes knocking on the door. Whats interesting yesterday, wisconsin emerged as a better shot for him than pennsylvania. If he can get wisconsin added to what i just said and if he can get that one Congressional District in maine where hes up ten points, hes over 270 at that point. Wisconsin does it by my math. If he gets wisconsin and the second district of maine, that puts him over the top. If he holds the romney states which include North Carolina, which i think is a reasonable prospect now. He wins ohio, florida, iowa, hes at 259. He needs 270. What does he need . He would need nevada. Nevada plus New Hampshire or wisconsin may get him there or maine 2, Northern District there. Polls show him up 11. Its a narrow path for trump but its not an undoable path. Im impressed by that wisconsin number. I think the states that have fewer minority voters and are older electorate which is true of wisconsin, minnesota too. A better chance of winning wisconsin than pennsylvania. Hes not going to win pennsylvania. Demographically wisconsin and iowa are mere images of one another. Theres a good chance wisconsin will follow. The last poll had him up by eight points in iowa. Thats shocking for a state that obama won two times. Hes got to claw back some of those states if hes got a shot. We can put together these scenarios. Its a tough road for donald trump. If youre betting your house on it, you can bet on Hillary Clinton. Seven weeks to go. Dynamics can change monday night at the debate. So what city in australia . That im moving to . Undisclosed location for obvious reasons. No offense, i would recommend the same for you. Wow. You guys could you dont want to really tell you dont want to tell people. Putins people have a way of finding you. Bill krystol and steve kornac kornacki, thank you so much. Coming up on morning joe what do you have to lose . Not going to get any worse . Its terrible. The crime, the bad education, the no jobs. What do you have to lose . Believe me. Im going to fix it. That has been Donald Trumps pitch to africanamericans and he says a Los Angles Times tracking poll shows him to start to win over black voters. I know we have to go to break. Have you looked at this l. A. Times tracking poll. Are they onto something that its one of those things they are standing alone and everyone is looking at that poll every day whats their methodology . Its a panel. Not a survey every night. Most pollsters dont like it as much. In trend its been helpful. It started to show a trump uptick. That was correct. More two or three points friendlier to trump than every other poll. Reverend al sharpton to talk about this and latest in the policeinvolved shootings in charlotte and tulsa. Well be right back. Anyone with type 2 diabetes knows how it feels to see your numbers go up, despite your best efforts. But what if you could turn things around . What if you could. Love your numbers . Discover oncedaily invokana®. Its the 1 prescribed sglt2 inhibitor that works to lower a1c. A pill taken just once in the morning, invokana® is used along with diet and exercise to significantly lower blood sugar in adults with type 2 diabetes. 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I told michael jackson, i said, if youre poor, youre a poor negro. I would use the n word. If youre witch, youre a rich negro. If you are intellectual, youre an intellectual negro and if youre dancing and sliding youre a [ bleep ] negro. So dare not alienate because you cannot assimilate. So youre going to be a negro until you die. Theres only one don king. Only one don. Donald trump on the road in Cleveland Heights in the latest poll. Reverend al sharpton, do you want to respond to don king . Not really. Ive known don for years. Don is a promoter of don and selfpromoting dons standing there together. Thats the picture of american politics on the right. That is awful. So you were, first of all, donald trump and don king being on the right of american politics shocking. Neither have been in the past. Help me out here. You were saying off set big difference between what happened to charlotte, which is in the headlines, and what happened in tulsa. Explain that to our viewers. A lot of people are missing that we have a race problem in the country and we have a policing problem. Sometimes they intersect, sometimes theyre separate. You say theyre separate in charlotte. Charlotte were dealing with black policemen that shot and killed the mant we are seeing protests over. So this is a policing issue. We are kind of like meshing it all together. So in charlotte you see not as a race issue but as a policing issue. A policing issue. Lets talk about tulsa. Tulsa as you know the parents were in new york yesterday. They came down to harlem headquarters. This is an issue of the shooter, the Police Shooter who shot him, seeing someone whos walking with their hands up away from the police slowly and tased and to go to mikes point, was he tased at first or second . Puts his hands up. They showed a our headquarters yesterday where the windows was up. Close pictures where the window was up. Blood dripped down the side of the car. Why did you shoot him . And one of the most compelling things ive ever heard in all of the years ive been out here was his father, who whose name is reverend crutcher, his father said the thing that hurt me most is that my son did what i told him to do. I said if police stop you so theres no ambiguity, put your hands up and he said he did that. He got killed anyway. This is a real, real bad case. I mean, were rallying saturday in new york. Im going to tulsa on tuesday for a rally. Why would you shoot a guy . To come back later and say, well, theres pcp in the car which we still dont know is true. Did she have xray vision . What did that have to do with what youre looking at with a man with his hands up walking that doesnt look like hes a threat to anybody. As we said earlier, eddie glaude, if i a 41yearold white man had a bag of weed in my car with my hands in the air, i certainly would not have been shot. Absolutely. And i just want to push back for a second on the distinction between charlotte and tulsa. I think race still is involved even when black Police Officers are involved with black victims and part of what this entails are certain assumptions about black criminality. You dont need a white cop and black victim for that to obtain. And so i think its really important for us to see these issues that was not my point. We have raised both. The case in new york were two black cops. What im raising is when you deal with a policing problem, even black cops behave in a black community differently than they would in another clearly,. They would not have gone in another community, black or white cops, and did what we are seeing in charlotte, in my opinion. But im saying that you cant just make it cut and dry. One of the problems we have, and we always say this in the movement, is that you get to the therefore. Yes, theres racism, yes, theres a problem, but you never get to the whereas. What are we going to do about it . Were sitting up here with no one really raising the questions of policy, the questions of legislation. We have a sentencing crime bill that is bipartisan. We cant even get speaker ryan to put it on the floor in congress. Theres no one answering this we intend in tulsa to raise the question about putting pressure on ryan. We need to put legislation on the ground so the young people see that somebody is doing something about all of that. Where is paul ryan in all this . How do you provide legislation for the following . One, of the bottom lines in the tulsa story, and we certainly dont know the whole story. We only know about 5 of it, what we see in the tape. One of the bottom lines is this, how do you put a person on a job with a handgun who clearly is afraid when they see a large man, a big man of a different skin color, and theyre also surrounded by six or seven of their peers . How does a person like that get a job as a Police Officer . And thats the question. One is if you go to the president s Police Reform task force, where they came up with recommendations for everything from body cameras to training, we need to, again, raise, continued the demonstrations. Nobody does that more than we do, but bring it to legislation. Why are we not enacting these kinds of suggestions that come from the president s commission . Will that be the subject in the debates on monday night . In the middle of whats going on in tulsa and charlotte, it ought to be central as president of the United States, what kind of attorney general will you have . Do you support the sentencing reform bill . Should ryan move right away . Do you support the president s Commission Recommendations . Other than that, it becomes a bogus debate to many people dealing with these issues in america. Do you agree there are still Unanswered Questions in the tulsa shooting . There are Unanswered Questions, but i think if you go to trial, all you need is probable cause. Right. And thats all i said with the zimmerman case with trayvon. If that tape is not probable cause, my name is not al sharpton. Thank you, al sharpton. Still ahead. Thank you, joe scarborough. Wall street is set to open higher after the fed decided to keep Interest Rates unchanged. Now, cnbc reports investor fz next focus is likely mondays president ial debate. Well go live from the Stock Exchange ahead. Morning joe is back in a moment. Healthy, free, the world before me, the long brown path before me leading wherever i choose. The east and the west are mine. The north and the south are mine. All seems beautiful to me. Try duo fusion ing antacids . Its two in one heartburn relief. The antacid goes to work in seconds. And the acid reducer lasts up to 12 hours in one chewable tablet. Try duo fusion. From the makers of zantac. Is it a professor who never stops being a student . Is it a caregiver determined to take care of her own . 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Up next, Hillary Clinton leads dlt dt in a new nbc news wall street journal poll, and voters think she would be a better commander in chief than donald trump by a wide margin. But theres the small matter of only 31 thinking shes honest and straightforward. Well dig deeper into the numbers. And tom brokaw and Hallie Jackson join us. And a second night of protests in charlotte leaves at least one person on life support and the governor calling in the National Guard. We have a live report. Morning joe is back in a moment. Americans are buying more and more of everything online. And so many businesses rely on the United States Postal Service to get it there. Because when you ship with us, your business becomes our business. Thats why we make more ecommerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country. The United States Postal Service. Priority you at safelite, we know how busy life can be. These kids were headed to their first dance recital. When their windshield got cracked. 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And in princeton, new jersey, chair of the department of africanamerican studies at Princeton University and author of the book democracy and black. And columnist for time magazine, eddie glaude jr. They didnt make you drive the cab up today . But im alt mt. Olympus though. Beautiful campus. Wasnt it tony robbins that talked about if you want selffulfillment, you have to help other people, right . I think he did say that. When we go to the orphanage, we always carry that with us. And i think what are you talking about . I think the kids of the orphanage have done a lot, right, to help people. I think this present may be the best. What are you talking about . Willie designed it. I helped. And we want to give this to you to give to your father. What . What are you talking about . Should i is it his birthday . No. Should i . What are you talking about . What are you doing . This was hard. It was very hard. Oh, gosh. Here we go. Wow. Where did you get that . Make the north pole great again. Oh, my gosh. Build, over here. Thats for your dad. Okay. Here you go. Ill give it to him. Were going to washington. Whats on the back . Winters will never be cold again. Elves out. Where do you get your hands on one of those . The kids. Right. Give that to your father. Dad, im sorry for the ridiculous sweater. Red sox, five up. Another huge win last night. Threerun homer. Unbelievable. Thank you for the sweater. Nice about the red sox, but now we have to get down to business. We have serious news to get to. A second night of violent protests in charlotte, North Carolina. The states governor has declared a state of emergency after violent clashes between protesters and Police Following the policeinvolved shooting death of a black man. Governor pat mccrory made the announcement amid escalating tensions in that city, tweeting that he had initiated efforts to deploy the National Guard and Highway Patrol to assist local Law Enforcement. Meanwhile, one person is on life support in Critical Condition after being shot during the demonstrations last night. Initially, the city had reported that person had been killed but later clarified the condition. Officials say that shooting did not involve a Police Officer. Also yesterday, donald trump has weighed in on the Police Shooting of an unarmed black man in tulsa, oklahoma. Speaking yesterday in cleveland, the republican nominee suggested the officer in that shooting may have choked in the situation. I must tell you, i watched the shooting in particular in tulsa. And that man was hands up. That man went to the car. Hands up. Put his hand on the car. I mean, to me, it looked like he did everything youre supposed to do. And he looked like a really good man. This young officer, i dont know what she was thinking. I dont know what she was thinking. But im very, very troubled by that. The fraternal order of police endorsed trump last week, but their executive director scolded trump to be mindful of due process before jumping to conclusions. Eddie, the shooting, obviously, in oklahoma, theres absolutely no explanation for it. Its not like ferguson, where weve got to talk to a lot of different witnesses. Its not even like freddie gray in baltimore. Weve got eyes in the sky over that, and we see exactly whats happening. Right. We do. And you know, joe, this is such a difficult ritual. Where we have to witness over and over again, it seems, the senseless death of someone in the black community. And the fact is that we have the evidence. We have already seen the kind of narrative that is being spun. Police said they found pcp in the car. She said he appeared as if he was on drugs. That she this was the most she had ever feared in her life. I think thats a paraphrase of what she said. Look at him. I have seen this, hands against his car. Legs spread apart. Doing absolutely walking slowly. I dont know i dont know what people she has seen on pcp before, he does not look like a man under the influence of anything. Look at that. And joe, we can extract a person who planted bombs in chelsea. That person can come out alive. Your car can stall on the highway. Yeah. And youre dead. Look. Theyre showing it again, showing from behind, walking slowly. Hands in the air. Doing absolutely everything that the police would ask him to do. Hands now up. Look. Seven, eight cops. Exactly right. You can find a terrorist, get him out alive. But a guy in an suv, arms in the air, air,eddee. It seems to me, eddie, there is absolutely no way that they can have the areas prosecutor handle this. They have got to have somebody who is independent and outside that region. Because unless there is more evidence that comes out, i dont know how you dont charge this Police Officer. I completely agree. I completely agree. But look, this is part of and we can connect this to charlotte if we want to. This is part of the problem, right . So theres a sense in which we see this video. And then theres this insistence that africanamericans across the country, that americans generally trust the process. But its precisely the process that is called into question in these moments, joe. Let me just say this really quickly. One of the most exhausting things about being black in this country is that we have to convince people, we have to convince White America of what is actually happening in our communities. And here we have a video, clearly, a video. Of a man with his hands up, seemingly complying in every way, shape, form, fashion. Just as we thought we saw with philando castillo. We saw with eric garner. Exactly. What do we get in the end . A dead black man in the street. It seems to me, mika, again, we have obviously been going over this an awful lot, but two things, bare minimum, have to happen on a state and national level. Number one, body cameras on every cop. We needed to see what was happening on ground level. Mmhmm. And if and if the camera is disabled at the time of a killing, then the burden of proof is on the cop to explain why his or her body cam was not working. And secondly, you have to have independent prosecutors looking at this from outside the districts from where these shootings occur. Only those are two basic steps, but they would go a long way in stopping these trends. Go ahead, eddie. But joe. Lets look at the context of North Carolina. North carolina just passed a law saying that they would not release video footage, right . Body camera footage to the public. So even if we get it thats a Justice Department question. This is a national this is a national tragedy. It impacts Law Enforcement officers across the nation. The Justice Department should step in and need to take control of this. This is this is a problem that North Carolina cant say, hey, this is particular to our state. Its nationwide. I would also just say when we talked about finding pcp in the car. Why did that mean he had to be shot . If they found weed in my car, they found a bag of something in my car, or i looked like i was drunk or i was on something, they wouldnt shoot me. Guess what . If you were white. That what i mean. If youre from the neighborhoods we live in and your arms are in the air, you you know, you could have like pounds of coke in the back and be straight out of miami vice and you wouldnt get treated like that. Exactly, joe. Exactly, joe. It gets to the other question that you need right now. You need a full forensic breakdown of what happened here. You need why was the car stopped in the middle of the road . Why was there such for tulsa, oklahoma, a rural road, no other traffic, you dont see traffic. Why such a Massive Police presence . Who tasered who shot first . The taser or the lethal shot to the person . And then youve got to figure out, we have to figure out, White America has to figure out the reality, the reality that to be black in america is to view things like this as part of a daily epidemic, as part of a daily danger that arrives when you walk out of your apartment. I actually think when you have Newt Gingrich saying this, a couple months back, you even have donald trump yesterday saying they choked. I think were getting to a point where most of america understands that, it is time for legislatures, for governors, for the a. G. , for congress to step up. And take basic steps. But yesterday, you had donald trump clearly a graduate of the Trump University law school, calling for the stop and frisk nationwide. Stop and frisk. In these two cases, youve got two dead black citizens of the United States of america who were already stopped. Right. Just four days away from the first president ial debate, and this morning, we have very revealing new nbc wall street journal poll. Among likely voters, the poll Shows Hillary clinton with a sixpoint national lead. Shes at 43 to Donald Trumps 37 . Gary johnson at 9 . Jill stein at 3 . Her lead is at seven points in the twoway matchup. 48 to 41. Looking deeper in the nbc news wall street journal poll, there are clear differences in perception between donald trump and Hillary Clinton. On matters like the economy and terrorism and national security. The two compare favorably. But voters prefer clintons approach to immigration by 11 . And when asked who would be better to handle nuclear weapons, clinton leads by 26 . On the question of who was honest and trustworthy, trump has the upper hand, 41 . We have to stop. We have to stop right there. Hold the phone. But Steve Rattner, well, ive got to believe this is the most depressing number that brooklyn stares at every day, honest and straightforward. Hillary clinton at 31 . Donald trump, 41 . Ten points. A man who is a human Fact Checking creator. Yeah. I looked at that poll yesterday and i was quite astonished. Its been that way for about a month now. I was stunned because of what you say, that donald trump can run around and say that, and backtrack on things he said, you know. For years. About iraq. About the president s birth. About birthers. The birther thing, most notably, where he completely rewrote history in terms of what he said, when he said it, blaming Hillary Clinton, all the rest of it, and yet this is where it sits. The problem is for mrs. Clinton is she has had one problem after the other, the most recently being the Health Problem, pneumonia and so forth, and its tough. Mark halperin, yesterday, we talked to robby mook, asked if thigh change to plan to change their approach to the media at all after the pneumonia scare. He said, no, absolutely not. Everything is fine. Were very pleased with how that went. You look at these poll numbers. Though, despite her problems and despite fear and loathing in the National Press over the past week, that donald trump is going to win this, it looks like the last couple days, polls have come out that show a sort of back to where we were before hillarys collapse. Yeah, i mean, look. The winner of this election is going to on election day have traits with the public in those poll numbers you talk about that are not going to look great. Neither of them is going to revitalize or revolutionize their image between now and election day. The National Polls, as we all know, are not the best way to look at who is going to get to 270 electoral votes, but they show trump still needs a surge. He needs a National Surge to get more towards the mid40s in his ballot number than he has right now, and hes being held back by, despite the fact that people see him as more honest and trustworthy, there are a lot of traits in the poll where shes stronger, including on things like terrorism, where trump would like very much, of course, to have the upper hand. You know, on friday, there was, of course, his press conference on the birtherism. And his switch, and the press was angry because trump played them, the way he did. But these polls that we have seen the past couple days suggest that maybe that issue, him bringing it up, having to admit that he was wrong all along, may have actually depressed his support. Are you getting that sense . You know, im not sure how much real people even paid attention to all that back and forth. Ill correct you mildly, you said it was a press conference. As we know, it wasnt. It was a statement. It was supposed to be a press conference. Exactly. And the only reason i bring that up, except for talking to fox news, hes not talked to any other media that i know of about this. I still think hes got more explaining to do because of the sensitivity of this issue, because of the dark blot on his mark for the position he held for so long against the facts. So there were three fox polls that came out yesterday, in key states that showed him with decent sized leads. Were going to get to that right now. But like i said, i still think he needs either through the debate or some other way, he needs a National Surge or i think hes going to come up short. Okay, and continuing on this poll, on the having the right temperament, Hillary Clinton leads by 33 . And on being knowledgeable enough, clinton leads by 37 . Voters nationwide are most concerned about trumps temperament. 33 . The next most concerning issue, his comments about women, immigrants, and muslims. And look, one of the things that concerns me most, his love affair with vladimir putin. Only 13 . Only 13 . Thats shocking. For the Foreign Policy implications of that and not knowing what his relationship is with russia and why he wont release his tax returns and why he keeps saying nice things about putin and why he went on putins network, that for me, is about as disturbing as the muslim ban. When asked the same question about clinton, 36 cited her judgment on syria, libya, and iraq. 29 are most concerned about her use of a private email server for state department work. 50 of Hillary Clintons voters say that last slide i understand it. Im actually glad. Theyre more concerned about policy. Than about her server. And more concerned about policies they disagreed with on policy than they are about the server. Her judgment on syria, iraq, and libya, 36 . The email server down at 29 . Deplorables, next to nothing. And health issues, next to nothing. I think thats actually a very positive sign. Well, people are thinking about the right things. Paying attention. 50 of Hillary Clintons voters say their vote is in support of Hillary Clinton more so than it is against donald trump. But look at trump voters. 51 say their vote is against Hillary Clinton. As opposed to 41 who say its for the republican nominee. Were going to get to the polls in a second, but willie, i know you hear the same thing i do, lifelong republicans will say, in one breath, im not going to vote for donald trump, and then i say so youre going to vote for Hillary Clinton . Im going to vote for trump. I hear it over and over again. People who do not want to vote for him but will not under any circumstances vote for Hillary Clinton. And Hillary Clinton has the same problem. Shes not as bad as trump on that number, but 44 of the people who support her are voting against donald trump. Were not seeing a ton of affirmative voting in the election. We have a lot of people who find the other person unacceptable. Its interesting on the two issue things which is that the Clinton Campaign has been driving temperament as the criticism of donald trump. Thats been their theme, saying hes unfit to be president. It looks like thats registering. The number one compliant people have about trump. The Trump Campaign has been driving deplorables as the argument against Hillary Clinton and that hasnt stuck as much. Thats at 9 . Still ahead on morning joe, there you go again. The epic line Ronald Reagan used in the 1980 debate against president carter. He tried to use it again against mondale four years later, but mondale, he was ready for it. And what followed shaped the entire election. Tom brokaw joins us with a look back at how a single moment can come to define an infire night and the rest of a president ial race. But first, breaking news from charlotte. A state of emergency as protests take over the city. Youre watching morning joe. 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Officers in riot gear once again used tear gas to try to disperse the crowds. Several people were arrested. This marked the second night of violence in the wake of the fatal Police Shooting of keith scott on tuesday. Police say scott was given multiple warnings by officers to drop his weapon, but a witness add the scene said scott did not have a gun and was reading a book in his car when he was shot, and a Police Source confirmed in an image obtained by our local affiliate, there appears to be a gun at keith scotts feet in the moments after he was shot. We get this report from nbcs Gabe Gutierrez who is in charlotte this morning. Reporter overnight, a rampage in North Carolinas largest city. Demonstrators clashing with officers in riot gear for a second straight night. Tear gas used to push the crowd back, protesters tossing the canisters back at police. Stores vandalized, dozens of arrests as the violence escalates. The omni hotel forced to lock its guests inside. The protests started peacefully but its a very tense atmosphere in downtown as the demonstrators ran across a heavy Police Presence outside this hotel. A shot rings out. A protester down. They cant get in there right now. Its out of control. Authorities say it was civilian gunfire, not police. The wounded man rushed to the hospital in Critical Condition. Throughout the night, at least four Police Officers hurt. Nbcs tammy leitner. Youre seeing a female officer who has been injured. Shes been helped by paramedics in riot gear. She is unable to walk on her own. Emotions flamed by anger on social media since the shooting of keith lumotscott on tuesday. Shots fired. One suspect down. This morning, a new photo showing a gun on the ground next to scott, obtained by an eyewitness. A Police Source say its genuine. Two different versions of tuesdays shooting are swirling. Police say scott was armed. Some eyewitnesses say he wasnt. He exited the vehicle armed with a handgun. Did you see any gun on him . I did not. No gun. It was a book. No book was found at the scene. Police say scott failed to follow their commands. He stepped out. Posing a threat to the officers. Williams says he was no threat. I see him getting out of the car like the police told him to do. The officer who fired at scott identified as Bradley Vincent now on paid leave as frustration boiled over. Why are you out here . Because i need the police to stop killing us. Stop killing us. Coming up on morning joe, donald trump tried to put off the birther questions behind him, but one of his well known supporters wont let it go. Hallie jackson joins us live from the trail. Plus, tom brokaw joins the table. My lenses have a sunset mode. An Early Morning mode. And a partly sunny mode. Transitions® signature™ adaptive lenses. Are more responsive than ever. Experience life well lit®. Upgrade your lenses to transitions® signature™ [ yes. Yes. ] uhhh, youre really getting the hang of this. 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So were getting back on the subject of jobs, military, taking care of our vets, et cetera. Donald trump explaining her sudden shift in the position that he had on the birther issue, to a local reporter in ohio. Joining us now from philadelphia, nbc news kraunlt Hallie Jackson who is krofcover the Trump Campaign. Whats on tap today . I just got off the phone with an aide who said donald trump, we know hes going to be giving this Energy Policy speech in pennsylvania today. Hes then heading for a rally just south of where we are in philadelphia, sort of between philly and wilmington, but hes also going to be talking about wh what we heard him discuss, this idea of a spirit of unity. He brought that up on the fox and friends interview just within the last hour or so. He is, im told, going to address the events, again, over these last 48 hours. Trump has come under fire for his outreach to the Africanamerican Community in light of his call for this National Stop and frisk policy, and frankly in light of the sound bite you played, for his birther comments, his statement on birtherism, he now acknowledged president obama was born in the u. S. Because he wanted to get on with the campaign. Democrats are pouncing saying you didnt really change your mind. You wanted to change the topic of the conversation. Nbcs Hallie Jackson, thank you very much. Were now just four days away from the first president ial debate between Hillary Clinton and donald trump. And no one knows for sure what to expect from the first facetoface matchup, but one thing we do know, debates have the power to make and break president ial campaigns. Were now joined by a man who knows a thing or two about president ial debates. Special correspondent tom brokaw, and youre taking a look at how debates played a huge role in the reelection of Ronald Reagan. I am. We also ought to take a moment and kind of review the debate history. These are the super bowls of these president ial campaigns. They have become thought. It began obviously with Richard Nixon and john f. Kennedy and people werent allowed from that gerald ford liberated the polls. That heard him a lot. Mike dukakis was debating in ucla and was asked ubhis opposition to capital punishment, what if your wife was raped and killed, what would you do . He gave a kind of harvard thesis response to it. It was not personal, no emotion attached to it. That hurt him. People forget that Ronald Reagan going into his second term, debating against Walter Mondale in kansas city, he had a lot of go goodwill, which helps him, but well tell you what happened and the history of the debate and the history of debates Going Forward. No one knew better than Ronald Reagan that one powerful memorable line can win a debate. Can you turn the microphone on . I never mind that that line echoed the 1948 classic film, state of the union. Dont you shut me off. Im paying for these broadcasts. In 1980, it propelled reagan to victory over george bush in New Hampshire. That fall, as the republican nominee, reagan showed he could go up against a sitting president. There you go again. That bravado helped reagan defeat jimmy carter and four years later, president reagan thought he would try the same line on challenger Walter Mondale. You know, i wasnt going to say this at all, but i cant help it. There you go again. But mondale was ready for him. Remember the last time you said that . Mmhmm. You said it when president carter said that you were going to cult medicare. You said, oh, no, there you go again, mr. President. And what did you do right after the election . You went out and tried to cut 20 billion out of medicare. Mondale had a good night. But more to the point, reagan had a bad night. Unfocused, poorly prepared, and it showed. The system is still where it was with regard to the with regard to the progress, as i said. The great communicator was not great that night and it sent shake waves through his campaign. A strong reagan performance might have clinched the election, but what happened last night gave the democrats new life. Today we have a brandnew race. Some of mondales operate chbs were busy today subtly suggesting last nights debate may be a sign that president reagan is getting too old for the job. The age issue, it became front page news. Reagan, then 73, was the oldest president in history. And voters inclined to give him a second term suddenly had some doubts. The white house today did everything but put a super man cape on president reagan as it wrestled with questions about his age and fitness. Along nancy reagan, the protects protector in chief, took her concerned to Campaign Chairman paul waxal. He then publicly blamed reagans aides for debate preparation process that he said brutalized the president. Totally unfair for the campaign to impose upon him a process that would be intolerable, ill be frank to tell you, for a 21yearold. But reagan himself later acknowledged he alone was to blame, saying i wasnt really ready or up to it. The campaign brought in media c c c consultant roger ailes to kroech the president. When the night came, nancy reagan was seated down front where the president could see her. 67 million americans were watching, and they didnt have to wait long. Mr. President , i want to raise an issue that i think has been lurking out there for two or three weeks. The only question that really mattered that night. Was Ronald Reagan too old to be president . Not at all. I want you to know that also i will not make age an issue of this campaign. Im not going to exploit for political purposes my opponents youth and inexperience. It was a home run. Even mondale laughed. Reagan glanced over at nancy and like the pro that he was, reached for a glass of what toor let the moment play out. The debate had an hour to go, and the election was still more than two weeks away. But effectively, it was over at that moment. He won. He won. She says i won. What do you say . In a single stroke, the president had reassured the country that he was okay. That he was not too old. He won reelection in a landslide. Four more years thank you. On election night, as supporters chanted four more years, Ronald Reagan had one more one liner. I think thats just been arranged. Tom wow, gosh. Incredible. Thats a reminder that these debates, joe and mika, are really very impressionistic. These are not legal briefs. He people are not saying, you misspoke and did not use the right syllable. Its a kind of impressionistic experience for everyone. I think well see a lot of that comi coming up this next week. We all Pay Attention to the details. In america, theyre still trying to make up their minds. By the way, youre right. It is always its that one moment. You go back to 1976, everybody remembers 80, but mike, 1976, you know, jerry ford says that the soviets arent dominating eastern europe, and max frankel said excuse me, and he repeeted it again. And ford, who was sort of seen as a bumbler, who was making an extraordinary comeback at that time, obviously, thats something that connected with americans. Well, as tom pointed out, i mean, both he and i were in nashua for that i paid for this microphone moments, and debates, if nothing else, tom, if nothing else, theyre a tribute to the power of the single moment and a single line by a single candidate. Yeah, im the one who asked dan quayle the third question about whether he was prepared to be president if something happed. He then compared himself to john f. Kennedy, and lloyd benson turned to him and said i knew john f. Kennedy. He was a friend of mine. Yourenone john kennedy. That got a lot of play. Dan quayle still got elected, but a friend of mikes who was a friend of kennedys called later and said we have gone through the files. I we dont think lloyd benson was a friend of john. That didnt matter. Didnt matter at all. No question, tom, these are impressionistic. People want to see what these two candidates could look like as president of the United States. If youre thinking about donald trump after 14, 15 months now of being donald trump and who he is, and full of bombast and one liners and all the rest of it. What does he have to do on the stage on monday night to reassure people . I think in this case, and both cases, by the way, i think in this case, he has to prove that he can be president ial. Its not just always shoot from the hip. And have a more complete idea of what it is that he wants to do, not just a bunch of oneliners. And my guess is that he has to dabble down on the meanness on her part. Even in her campaign, theyre saying she has to tell the country why she wants to be president. Its not just her turn. Its what shes going to do and how shes going to do it. Because she is kind of taken for granted it was her turn at this point, and a lot of her policies are kind of rewritten rules from past campaigns in the Democratic Party. I think they both have a big challenge that night. And by the way, given the way these polls are going, if you look at the whole country, the whole country is not in love with either one of them. They have their core following, but then people are moving back and forth constantly, taking a measure of them. Thats not unusual. What will happen after these debates is that ten days or a week before the election, people will sit down in coffee shops or at the Kitchen Table and theyll say, you know, what do we want here . What is it we think which person can deliver what we need for the next four years . So we get all excited about it at this stage. The country is always much more patient about that, taking it all in. I spent the month in august in montana, and you know, its a very political state. Almost no one was talking about the campaign. Yeah. You know river had to be shut down, what are cattle prices doing . Is the population up for a good hunting season . Thats what theyre talkinguct. Its notgist the debate. The debates are extraordinarily important. Its how the candidates react to the debates. After reagans horrific performance, you may remember where he seemed to be so old, he got under mondales skin. And i just looked it up. Helen thomas article from october 10th, 1984, where Ronald Reagan said, yeah, i would have looked younger, too, if i wore as much makeup as he did. Oh, yeah. And the next debate, mondale had no makeup. He looked pale. Got under his skin. So its also how you react to whats happened during the debate. By the way, Ronald Reagans campaign slogan, 1980, take a look. See if you guys recognize this. Look. Lets make America Great again. There you go. Tom brokaw, thank you. Tom, that was fantastic. Amazing. Really fun. Always a pleasure. Still ahead big night coming up this week. Big night. Still ahead, she may be a senators daughter, but the ceo of the company that makes the epipen found few friends on capitol hill yesterday. It just feels like youre not being candid and honest with congress, who is asking you for some very basic information. And we and your attorneys over there are scrambling, all uncomfortable, but you know what, we just want basic information. You dug this hole for yourselves. You guys dug this hole for yourself. The ceo of milan defends hiking the price of the lifesaving epipen that lawmakers werent buying it. Business before the bell coming up next. Before taking his team to state for the first time. Gilman go get it, marcus. Go get it. Coach gilman used his cash rewards credit card from bank of america to earn 1 cash back everywhere, every time. 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That was the ceo of mylan being questioned on capitol hill yesterday over her comments over price hiking on lifesaving epipens. Time for business before the bell with sara eisen. Before we get to that story, stocks look to keep yesterdays rally going on the fed rate decision. The fed decided not to do anything yesterday. And that was a green light for investors to keep buying. There was a slight probability going into the meeting yesterday that maybe the fed would raise Interest Rates as the economy continues to heal. That is of course a risk to the markets. They like a patient fed, which is what they got. But janet yellen, the head of the federal reserve, did indicate there is still room to raise rates at some point this year, so now the betting is that they will move in december, if the economy continues to show improvement. What it means for main street if youre still thinking about going out and getting a mortgage or an auto loan, theres still time. We still have super low rates. And investors certainly like that. As for mylan, you just got a taste there with that clip of the bipartisan beatdown that the ceo Heather Bresch got on capitol hill yesterday. Plenty of questions about those steep increases in price of the epipen. Remember, 100 for a pair back in 2007. Now more than 600. She defended the company, saying they dont make a lot of that money. They in fact earn about 100 out of the 600 because a lot goes into the supply chain and the input costs. The congressman didnt seem that pleased with the answers or the fact shes going to release the generic drug and help with out of pocket costs. This also came after a revelation by the usa today that she had some family heb with this, that her mother gale manchin, actually, used to work at the head of the National Association of the state boards of education. Powerful Group Representing education, back in 2012, that actually pushed states to draft laws that would require schools to supply epipens. She was asked about this. Certainly does not look good. And a conflict of interest, as you guys might imagine. She said this is a cheap shot to bring her mother into this, and said kids were dying on playgrounds before epipens were required in schools so it was a safety issue. Clearly, theres going to be more political heat on this one, but certainly, the House Committee did a good job of channeling the publics anger. All right, thank you so much, sara eisen. Thank you. Were back in a moment with much more morning joe. Look at all these purchases you made with your Airline Credit card. Hold on. You only got double miles on stuff you bought from that airline . Let me show you something better. The capital one venture card. With venture, you earn unlimited double miles on every purchase. Not just. dismissively airline purchases. Every purchase. Everywhere. Every day. No really double miles on all of them whats in your wallet . Try duo fusion ing antacids . 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If he sweeps those, and we figured ow this morning, if he wins wisconsin, three behind in wisconsin, wins though states, wins wisconsin, guess one electoral vote from the district in maine, hes at 270. Oh, my lord. Not saying theres 42. 3976 chance of that, but its out there. Now, who are you imtalting . I learned my weekend plans. Were going to central park, or were watching it on the internet, or were watching it on msnbc. And that is the Global Citizen festival with willie geist as cohost with tamron hall. What did you learn, mike . The epipen story we just played, i wish that both of these candidates, all of the candidates for president could stand in line for just a day at any cvs drugstore and watch certain people of a certain age on fixed incomes register shock as they pay for those prescriptions. 600. All right, that does it for us. Stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. Thanks a lot, mika. Good morning, im stephanie ruhle. We have breaking news. Its a state of emergency, charlotte erupting overnight. What are you afraid of . Stop killing us protesters loo s looting st. Police launching tear gas. Dozens arrests. Dozens arrests and a protester shot by another civilian. What if that was your son . The question hanging, did he have a gun . Wildly different takes on what happened in the Police Shooting that sparked these protests. A weapon was seized. A handgun. He didnt have no gun. Right there on your screen, a new photo shows what appears to be a gun on the ground at the scene. The question, was he