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It is wednesday, july 20th. Were live again from cleveland. Cleveland [ cheers and applause ] you know what they call cleveland . What do they call it . The city of champions. And it is. Along with us we have former Communications Director for former president george w. Bush. Shes asleep. Are you okay . It will be interesting. Coho willie geist is here. Have you been mauled on the streets by women . We walked into an underground oh, i wasnt supposed to tell anyone . He gets mobbed. Thats so cute. The cavs won the title. The Cleveland Indians have the best American League title as well. Good job, good job. I need an indians fleece. Im really hoping not to wear this five days in a row. If i could get an indians fleece here. Can we talk about the fact im getting a truck here . You should. I should. Where is mike . Youre buying a truck . If youre just waking up and have never seen morning joe before, how many people are watching . 73 million. This is a big day. This is a big day, though. Mika made a bet with david barna barnacle. He said donald trump will never get the nomination, and she said, ill belt yt you a truck. When do i get a truck to drive away . Donald trump is now the official republican nominee and put over the top by his four eldest children, casting the votes of the new york delegation. It is my distinct honor and great pleasure to nominate donald j. Trump for the office of president of the United States of america i have the incredible honor of not only being a part of the ride thats been this election process and to watch as a small fly on the wall what my father has done in creating this movement, because its not a campaign anymore, its a movement. Speaking to real americans, giving them a voice again, it is my honor to be able to throw donald trump over the top in the delegate count tonight with 89 delegates and another six for john kasich. Congratulations, dad we love you indiana governor mike pence was declared the Vice President ial nominee by acclimation, and with the ticket complete, trump thanked the convention via satellite. A little over one year ago, i announce mid candidacy for president , and about your vote today, this stage of the president ial process has come to a close. Together weve achieved historic results with the largest vote total in the history of the Republican Party. This is a movement, but we have to go all the way. So lets just stop right here, we might as well just stop right here. Willie geist, we said it in august, september, october, november, when everybody said it would never happen, kept holding up the newspapers, reading the dates, saying, its happening, its happening. I think in the midst of all the chaos and in the midst of all the controversy, we really should just press the stop button for one second and just talk about how extraordinary this is that donald trump is the republican nominee. This is the guy who has flirted with it many times, running for president. It became a cry of wolf. Nobody believed he would do it. He did it this time when no one thought he would do it. Then he stayed in the race. He rose up from 1 or 2 in the polls. Got through the summer of trump, made it through the fall of trump, and then the argument after that was, well, people say they like him because theyre mad at government, theyre not actually going to vote for him. Then comes New Hampshire. He wins New Hampshire. The dominoes begin to fall. It was a remarkable moment. If you were in the hall, you looked up, you heard donald trump make that announcement. There was a big scream over the top, they said donald trump was the nominee. It was a moment for pause to say, wow. Whether you like him or hate him, this was an incredible moment in american history. Wasnt donald trump at 1 or 2 . Because there have been other politicians that have begun campaigns at 1 or 2 . The numbers that were the most staggering at the time, and maybe you say, gosh, this guy is so unpopular in his own party, hell never win. It became 60s, 65 , among republican primary voters. And he turned those around quickly. Not just disapprovals, but in the polls where people would ask, as we did in our own polls, bloomberg, we would say never vote for him, never support him, and his numbers were in the high 60s not only from people who said they would never support him in the republican nomination, and in the course of a year he turned those numbers from 6030 never to 3060 ever. They turned it upside down. Ive never seen that in my career. Laughed at by the intellectual establishment, laughed at by the political establishment, laughed at by the media establishment. I mean, this guy was completely discounted as a complete joke. People stormed off our set in disgust when we said he might be able to win the nomination. No, no, nor, not that he migt be able to win the nomination, a lot of people were upset when we said early on he might be relevant, but there were moments a lot of the Political Class and the media class watch our show, and so something will happen on the show, and ill hear from a lot of people, well all hear from a lot of people. I think the moment that people stopped and said, wait a second, there is something happening out there actually was a moment we showed your focus group of New Hampshire voters, and somebody in that crowd said, i believe, something along the lines of hes one of us. Just like us. Hes just like us, and everybody gasped. There was a collective gasp among political and media elites watching that. Every four years we pick nominees, and theres always a combination of factors, primarily the mood of the electorate and what the person is offering up. And donald trump we all know hes unlike anyone else not because hes running for president , but i think hes unlike anyone ive ever met. He understand a lot about the electorate, he understands a lot about the current mood of the country, and hes been saying the same thing for decades about whats wrong. And what hes been saying suddenly matched up with a lot of people in america with that ability to talk to people in a way you know, don jr. Said once hes a blue collar billionaire. He understands working people. He talks like a guy from queens, not like a fancy guy. People like it. Before we dive into the show her brother, my dad. Your brother, my dad, but heres the question. Is this, though, broad enough . Has donald trump just figured out a massive version of microtargeting for the Republican Party . And im dead serious. Good question. Because we talk about how extraordinary it is what hes accomplished, and yet last night more people voting against him, more delegates since gerald ford. The thing ive noticed, all the empty chairs. Yeah. Ive noticed a lack of enthusiasm, which changed a bit last night. Into the night. Ive been to every Convention Since 96, ive never seen empty chairs like i have this one. Ive never felt the lack of enthusiasm on the floor. Maybe that changes by thursday night. But lets tell both sides of this story. This is a house divided. Yes. He is so polarizing that even at his own convention its a room divided. Hes such a polarizing figure. My parents were on to what you were describing well before i was. Last august i went home, and i had worked for the bush family and i said, oh, are you voting for hillary, and they said, oh, no, were trump people, and i was aghast. Hes bypassed all of us and anyone who has done this before, and there has been a connection and a relationship that excluded all of us, and to his credit, he did it without any of us. Thats right. Lets get to the highlights of the night. Despite the theme making america work again, many thought to contrast donald trump and Hillary Clinton. For a second straight night, delegates on the floor repeatedly broke into chants of lock her up, this time during Chris Christies address that took place during a mock trial prosecuting the case against clinton. America and the world are measurably less safe and less respected because of the iran deal that hillary helped cut, period. Hillary clinton, as an inept negotiator of the worst Nuclear Arms Deal in american history, is she guilty or not guilty . As a flawed evaluator of dictators and failed strategists who has permitted russia back in as a major player in the middle east, is Hillary Clinton guilty or not guilty . Guilty Hillary Clinton, as a coddler as the brutal caster of brothers and betrayer of foreign fallen state trooper warren and his family, is she guilty or not guilty . Guilty and here at home risking american secrets to keep her own and lying to cover it all up . Guilty so Chris Christie was the prosecutor, no doubt about it. He did his job very well up there. It was electric inside the hall, but there was a concern. All those chants of lock her up, the concern that they went from being enthusiastic to nasty. To being nasty, and we heard that even from republican senators and others who said too much, right . There was a cringing in the hall when the lock her up chants went up. They said, come on, guys, we can prosecute her without throwing her in prison. Chris christie did a prosecutors case. He thought he did a good job that way. He laid out case by case the reminders of why you should be against Hillary Clinton if youre a trump supporter, but he was doing the call and response guilty or not guilty. I dont think you can be terribly surprised the crowd responded the way it did, but it was sort of uncomfortable. For Chris Christie, here is a guy who four years ago was mocked and ridiculed for hugging barack obama. It certainly was a triumphant return to center stage for Chris Christie. And i thought he was a pretty calm adult voice in the room up on the stage. He laid it out the way a prosecutor would. Heres the question. Yesterday we had mike murphy on our show and mike said one of the purposes of a National Convention is to reach outside your party base, expand your coalition, right . And so what in the course of the last two nights putting aside the performances, good performances, bad performances of individuals, what has the party done in the last two nights to expand, to reach out beyond its base . Its disqualifying, isnt it . From both sides. When i watch lock her up, that totally revs up the Republican Base. Is there anything outside the Republican Base who hears lock her up . This is the sort of thing i would always say. Youre playing to your home crowd, youre playing to your home crowd, but an abc news poll from last week, 65 of americans think she should have been indicted. 65 . Only 35 dont think she should have been indicted. So yes, i wish the crowd hadnt have chanted lock her up, but this sentiment goes well beyond the Republican Party. Again, my initial reaction, your initial reaction. Then i remember that abc poll. There are a lot of americans who think that comey gave her a free pass. It goes back to what we were saying, about the only democrat donald trump could win a general election against is Hillary Clinton and the only one Hillary Clinton could win is against donald trump. I think ivanka trump will be the one tomorrow night in the room. Well see an array of national figures, president obama, Michelle Obama, bill clinton its going to be something else. And mike pence tonight i think will be solid, but Chris Christie is one of the few people in donalds corner who can command a national audience. Thats a big thing for him and a big thing for trump. Im told the abc poll was 66 want her indicted. You mentioned ivanka. Were still looking at the fallout over Melania Trumps speech. It continued yesterday as her husbands campaign continued to defend the passages of the potential first ladys address thought by many to be lifted from Michelle Obamas thought by many. Thats a safe way of saying plagiarism. It was lifted from Michelle Obamas speech. It was clearly plagiarism. I just want to say to all the trump surrogates that were on the air yesterday suggesting that it was not plagiarism, you are making the same mistake Hillary Clinton made at the un press conference. Do not treat americans like theyre stupid. They will turn on you fast. Use your own brains. I will give donald trump credit. Yesterday he stayed away from this. Because if donald trump had gone out and said it wasnt plagiarism, he would be Hillary Clinton at the united nations. It was plagiarism. A plagiarism website turned it in, analyzed the speech and found it a one in a million chance that two writers would come up with the same lines. So youre saying theres a chance. Every lughead like you would Say Something like that to the dumb and dumber. Many people were saying there were slight differences in the passages, and for many who give speeches, the times and the speech where Michelle Obama edited and went off script a little bit, and the same with melania. They were exactly the same. By the way, we have a special offer for everybody who is a trump supporter. You can come on our show and say it wasnt plagiarism, and guess what were going to have for you . A clip that shows the plagiarism. Im serious, every time somebody comes on this show and says it wasnt plagiarism, were going to play the clip. Thats our challenge to you. I suggest you dont say its not plagiarism. Note to our friends. In response to the media storm, chairman Paul Manafort pointed directly this is unbelievable. I cant believe this guy. Blaming Hillary Clinton, saying why . He is the most negative, kind of harsh person ive ever seen leading a campaign. Oh, come on its like lurch. Stop it. Now youre sounding like democratic activists in the ukraine. Oh, my god. Seriously lets just stop that. Well, john lever doesnt like him. You just called him lurch. Shes called me lurch before. Were not even going to play this clip. This is where manafort says Hillary Clinton play the clip. Play the clip. There is a political tint to this whole issue, and certainly weve noted that the clinton camp was the first to get it out there when Hillary Clinton was threatened by a female, the first thing she does is try to destroy the person. He didnt do that, did he . Its like a female thing . He used the word female . Are you kidding me . What year is this . Is this 1970, lurch . What . Were females. Arent you lucky you have two females on the panel. That hurt. Oh, my god. Manafort for the past couple days, hes had a horrible Republican Convention. Hes gotten in the way two days in a row early and often. I think he thinks hes great. He attacked john kasich, upset the state. This is a state that they have to win if they want to win the white house. And then the next day, of course, this. They just made the decision to bull through it and hoped the press would move to other things, which to some extent the media has with don jr. s speech and the roll call yesterday. We dont know all the facts yet of what happened, but we do know that they didnt want to engage in another day of going at the facts and just say this is Hillary Clintons fault. I think that what happened yesterday, aside from the gender undertones which i agree with mika on we agree, too. Today we are all women. I love it. So the central concern has been his inflammatory rhetoric, and the essential worry that ha handwringing establishment is the crazy things he says. Now the concern is the competence of his operation. I think the melania dustup, first of all, that shes the first victim of his pirate ship sort of Campaign Style is sort of a tragic irony. Shes the most innocent sort of actor in the entire operation, that shes the first victim to the chaos that surrounds everything his campaign does is sad. Im sure that makes him disappointed that he hasnt built up an effective operation. She did a great job with her speech. She did a great job. This doesnt fall on her shoulders, it falls on the operation behind her and suggests its incredibly weak. You can beat back an im too fiery with a Straight Talk defense. You might not like the muslim ban but people fight back because theyre scared. Especially, john heilman, if your entire argument has been there are a bunch of idiots in washington who dont know how to run the federal government, if you look like you dont know how to run a campaign, wait until you get a 4 trillion budget and youre in charge of hundreds of thousands of people and youre running the world. You cant get melanias speech again. As youre seeing, they arent being much of a Trump Campaign in a traditional sense. The argument has been, hes gotten so far, dont worry about it. Its been hypothetical. Here was like a tangible thing where not having a Real Campaign had a real victim, and the real victim happened to be the nominees wife. You went around the hall last night, mike and i were Walking Around talking to people, senators, governor. This is where the house divided kind of comes into play. A lot of they see folks want to make go for trump. They see Something Like this and say, i have other doubts about trump, but when the incompetence is on display this way, it makes it that much harder for people on the fence, the republican establishment, party followers, to kind of say, okay, im ready, lets go. Its funny how 24 hours later the party is still letting melania take the fall. Weve shown two professional speechwriters came in and wrote a speech. What weve learned now is that Melania Trump and perhaps somebody else ignored that speech for the most part and went through and found the Michelle Obama passages. Typically they would run out to protect the candidates wife, and here we are 24 hours later, and shes still front and center. By the way, ive never seen anything like it. They are making the candidates wife take the fall. Even leaking to the New York Times that this was melania. They were leaking all day yesterday that this was melania. And its staggering, and heres the thing. Even if lets just say melania decided to put those words in there, which nobody believes. But lets just say she decided to put those words in there yesterday and plagiarize the speech. Or did it inadvertently. Or did it inadvertently. Which, again, lets be very clear, we dont think she did that. Its still the campaigns responsibility to vet the speech. So everybody on this campaign thats trying to throw melania under the bus, by doing that, you are inadvertently throwing yourself under the bus, because there are supposed to be Campaign Workers that vet the speech. And they just didnt do that. I wonder how long the candidate is going to allow his wife to be thrown under the busby his campaign. And his Campaign Looks stupid. Still ahead, why that plagiarism error with melanias speech led to scrutiny of don jr. s speech last night. With don jr. A star is born, right . Yeah. I could tell on the floor, even. There were people saying this guy has a future as well. His dad, brand new to politics. The question, did he lift material, too, is also being asked . Just ahead, governor Chris Christie will join us on set. Note to chris, we love you. Please dont say it wasnt plagiarism. And dont use the word female and well be good. Governor mary fallin, the house leader. And representative Kevin Mccarthy. Youre watching morning joe live. This concept that Michelle Obama invented the english language is absurd. Look at the comments of laura bush in 2004, i think youll find something similar. Because safety is never being satisfied. And always working to be better. 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Comcast nbcuniversal is proud to bring you coverage of the rio Olympic Games. I still keep all of my report cards, some dating back to kindergarten, because i like to look back and see the sweet notes he wrote on each and every one of them. Contrary to what you might expect from someone who places emphasis on results, my dads comments referred often to the sentiments expressed by my teachers about how i acted in and out of the classroom. Just not even focusing on the letter grades themselves. Donald trump has never done anything halfway, least of all as a parent. Were still americans. Were still one country. And were going to get it all back. Were going to get it back better than ever before. I know well get it back because i know my father. I know that when people tell him it cant be done, that guarantees that he gets it done. I know that when someone tells him that something isnt possible, thats what triggers him into action. Mark halprin, i heard this earlier, but you say in the hall after don jr. Spoke, even bush was saying a star is born. Hes so new to all this. He got emotional last night. I talked to him about it afterwards, the moment for the family is such a big deal. But his performance skill is quite something. He is a conservative. Hes not, quote, unquote, just a son who is there to cheer his dad on. He believes in a conservative movement on a lot of issues. Hes far more conserve ative than his father. He has a record of being nothing but conservative. He was on the floor and he chose to put new york over the top. They let new york and the family put him over the top, then don jr. Gave the speech which has gotten great reviews, and his ability to combine an idealogical agenda, conservative agenda to testify for his dad, i thought was a great anchor alongside Chris Christie. When he spoke last night, i thought there was a more kind of traditional, conservative policy agenda. He was speaking in the way if it wasnt donald trump jr. , you would expect a lot of republican speakers would be at a Republican Convention just laying it out. Not anything super bold or super innovative, but like the basic rockribbed republican posse agenda laid out in the way his father never does. The power of the family is theyre immune from all the icky stuff that empowers the candidate. So there was a risk for him in going there, but they pulled it off. Its risky for a spouse or a kid to make that political argument, to make the negative case against the opponent. Theyre usually untarnished by the ugliness of a campaign, but he went there and did it very well. A great speaker. The family has been incredible so far in terms of their performance on stage. We still have eric tonight and ivanka tomorrow night. I think one thing they need to do is show a little humanity about his father because hes a big cartoon character Everybody Knows from tv. Tell me a regret hes had. Theyve talked about the love they have for him which is really nice, but they need to humanize him more. I think youll hear that from ivanka, but shes got a lot of experience in the public eye, more than her brothers, and i think theyre building toward her speech in a very major way. So there were more allegations of plagiarism on night two of the Republican Convention after donald trump jr. s speech echoed a News Conference from this spring. Our schools used to be in the middle class, now theyre stalled on the ground floor. Theyre run for the benefit of the clerks and not the customers. So trumps words were near verbatim of what conservative writer f. H. Buckley had written in the american conservative magazine this last may. But Frank Buckley said, except it wasnt stealing. He said in a following interview, it was much ado about nothing. I was a principal speechwriter for the speech, so its not an issue. So he used his words in the speech. Thats fine. We do find a scapegoat unlike melanias speech. I think melanias speech opens the question up for everybody. It does. Were hearing now reports that melania turned to someone she trusted, meredith mcgyver, a new york city balanlerina dancer. The ballet dancer mcgyver gets you in trouble. Mitch mcconnell and others have done a lot of speeches, the romney convention. They have had experience in the past of turning in drafts of speeches and seeing them altered in dramatic ways. This time apparently the original draft was basically ripped up entirely by whom . The Washington Post and the New York Times. There was still some am biguity about what happened. Ms. Mcgyver was brought in, who apparently has a valuable place in the trump world, and she was written in to write this speech. What happened next is unknown. How we got to plagiarism, thats still not totally clear. But this woman is apparently in the milddle of that story, and just what we know about her credentials, its not clear how she was put in front of this task. Whats amazing is mcgyver said she can fix a speech with nothing more than paper clips and ball bearings. Shes basically a friend of the family. Yeah, and say she wrote it and lifted these passages. It still gets back to the earlier point, a campaign has the responsibility to vet it before every speech. I know we have to go to break, but the one thing weve seen over and over again is the family getting in the way of the story. I mean, some of you are sort of management ideals or values are to sometimes keep the family out . I would always be stunned when i would walk into a fellow congressman or congresswomans office and we would Start Talking about issues. And they would say, no, i cant do this because, and fill in the blank. Family members against it. And i would say your family members against it . And we would be talking about policy. They werent elected. And politely said, everybody has their place, but you hire with taxpayer money policy people, and you cant be vetoed by people that know nothing about politics, that know nothing about policy, that swoop in and tell you, no, dont do that. And the family weve talked all morning about the family doing great things for the campaign and speaking, but there is nobody in this family that has ever run a Political Campaign before. Or picked a Vice President. Or picked a Vice President before. That is exactly why you get your family out of management, or at least have them managing it with somebody thats actually done it before. Family shouldnt be in charge of speeches. This family is really close. They vacation together, they were in business together my family is really close, too. The reality is the Family Business is now trying to win the white house if i decided to be a brain surgeon tomorrow, i wouldnt have jack and kate and andrew and joey around going, scalpel . Listen, this is the thing that is really insulting to me, and ill say this directly to the Donald Trumps. You youve never done this before. Yes, you won the primary. This suggests that because youre close as a family, you can run this a something that wasnt as complicated in the past 40 years is handing the presidency to Hillary Clinton. Let me say this to republicans who say, oh, you just need to blindly get behind your guy. No, not my guy. Hillary clinton not my candidate. If republicans want to beat Hillary Clinton, it is time to bring on professionals who have done this since happy days was in prime time. And they dont have anybody thats done it, and the answer is not the family. Or chachi. This is where Paul Manafort comes in. He is as experienced a hand as there is in republican politics. Hes experienced ukraine. Let me tell you about Paul Manafort. When he came on board, i have been as enmeshed in politics as anybody in america since 1994, knowing capitol hill, knowing whatever, if its on tv or whatever. You know what my first question was when i saw Paul Manafort taking over . I said, who is Paul Manafort . They said, i think he worked for gerald ford. No, doesnt count. Thats like bjorg borg with his metal rakcket. The family defended him when he went to war with Corwin Lewandowski so the family is doubling down on him, but the family should consider beefing up the circle around him because hes rusty, obviously. Ill say this about the family. If youre in Campaign Management school and you said, should the candidate be reliant on the children he loves just because he loves them . Who have never been involved in politics on any level. Just like the ballerina negotiator. Its a matter of reality. Its not going to change. The kids what are they going to lose . Were one of the kids in charge of melanias speech . I dont think so. Were one of the kids in charge of melanias speech . One of the kids or inlaws . Im just asking the question again and again, because the answer, probably, ultimately, is yes. Sorry. The thing is, its a question of, do they want Hillary Clinton to be the next president or not . Its that simple. It really is that simple. You got to bring in people that have done this before, again, since 1976. The world has changed really quickly. I brought up happy days. Garry marshall such a wonderful man. Weve had nhim on morning joe before. He was such a great man to love at a distance. He passed away last night, but what an absolute total legend and great guy. All right, well be right back with much more on morning joe. Real is touching a ray. Amazing is moving like one. Real is making new friends. Amazing is getting this close. Real is an animal rescue. Amazing is over twentyseven thousand of them. 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Joining us now personally i preferred the idaho deal. Im a potato. Legendary columnist mike barnacle, nbc political analyst and former chairman of the Republican National committee, Michael Steele. Nbc white house correspondent, clevelands own kristen. Youre looking at the New York Times main editorial. I think this is a good one here. The speakers dance. Mr. Ryan has revealed himself to be a weak opportunist far from the ideals he made himself out to be when he secured the Vice President ial nomination four years ago. It probably hasnt been easy to engage in the political casualty needed to simultaneously reject and embrace mr. Trump, like hes tried to do. While condemning mr. Trumps faithful utterances, mr. Ryan has been careful not to criticize mr. Trump himself. Its not normal to ban muslims from the nation, yet he failed to challenge the person who said it. A cynic would say mr. Ryan has nothing to lose. Either he gets the bombastic unpredictable mr. Trump as president , or he survives to seek the president ial nomination in 2020. But whatever the outcome, mr. Ryan seems already to be what mr. Trump typically calls a loser, a once promising politician who has lost his way. Michael steele, this has been ouch. A brutal year for paul ryan. He did the country, i believe, and his party a favor by stepping up and becoming speaker when he had his eyes on the white house. 2016 ive got to say, its been rougher on him than any political figure this side of jeb bush. There was never any promising trail for the next speaker of the house, whether it was paul ryan or anyone else. Youre going into a president ial election where you have a very, very diverse field from inside the party. You have this asymmetrical player by the name of donald trump. Youre sitting there and you have the balance of base, you still have your caucus, conservative caucus inside the house thats pushing you one direction. You have others inside the party that are pushing in another. There was this balancing act that he would always have to carry out. And the danger at the end of it was the future for him. But the crime is the balancing act. And, chris, i think i think the most devastating line not only for paul ryan but the entire Republican Campaign this entire year, and it encapsulates the year, is when he said, yes, what donald trump said epitomized racism but im still supporting him. And how many times did he say donald trump in the speech in front of the group that had just nominated him. Twice i think he said trump . This is the speech where he was trying to make that balance, and it doesnt work. Weve all seen him do it the other way. Weve seen him when he can stand up and be that young, promising leader. I sometimes look at john baynor who is obviously from ohio, he looks ten years younger. Anybody who has gotten out of the party seems to be relieved, and paul ryan is going to have to step up again. Paul ryan, long seen as a man of ideas, idealistic since his early 20s. He has known for what he believed in, he has fought for what he believed in, and this year he has had to veer off wildly from that and try to balance things, but the center doesnt hold here for him. I dont know about that. I mean, i think he still is a man of ideas. I think he still has a future, because we live in a country where people have amnesia. No one will remember friday what happened today. I mean, a year ago today we had a candidate for president of the United States who is now the nominee of the Republican Party who said that john mccain is not a war hero, and he, donald trump thats his friend, mike. Thats not paul ryans friend. But its not our brand. Im just saying paul ryan won against brand when he completely jumped off the reservation of what his brand is. What is brand now . 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If you had found a speechwriter had done that, would you fire that speechwriter . Probably. Melania trump said you work hard for what you want in life. Acon said work hard for what you want in life. Melania trump said the strength of your dreams and the willingness to work for them. Sparkle from my little pony said, this is your dream. A simple Google Search of three phrases comes up with everything from sparkle pony to john legend to acon. We will dolcome back to mor joe. Dai its day three of the republican National Convention. Host of mp daily, chuck todd, also nbc political analyst, Michael Steele. How bad is this . Theyre putting on a show and just a huge catastrophe. Melanias speech is in a very bad position because of their own internal controls, check these speeches before they go on the teleprompter. Thats one process. That has to marry up with the campaigns process. Theres no process on the campaigns side, so that was the big problem. Theyre in the worst position ever. They are in a horrible position where they have to play cleanup for the candidates. Exactly. Which is why you have the chairman saying one thing and the Communications Director saying something different. Theyre trying to triangulate that gap between the party and the campaign. Do we really think that somehow they said theyre triangulating the speech . Thats exactly the case. Then how else do you explain are you saying theyre not talking to each other . Of course they are. I think what ryan said in the morning and they tried to clean up. What ryan said in the morning made sense to everybody, including sean. But then it became clear that by the time sean had to go out, the Smoke Signals had been sent by the trump tower. We are going to deny, deny, deny. Sean spicer probably had the hardest job of anybody yesterday because he had to follow the campaign. At the end of the day, the rnc knows if donald trump loses by one or two points, they maybe keep the senate. If donald trump loses by five or six points, they lose the senate. Theyre not out there defending donald trump, theyre out there defending every senator and congressman and congresswoman fighting for their lives. Paul manafort really set the tone for the trump response yesterday. It was this aggressive, anticlinton attack. I got my hands on this memo. It was talking points for trump. One of them was 93 of the speech is accurate, only 7 is up for review. And governor Chris Christie in new jersey used that same line in one of his interviews, and you heard a lot of the trumps say the clintons are back at it. That was in the memo. Go after the clintons. Make it about the press, make it about the clintons, dont talk about the speech exactly as it was. Nobody believes that. When you saw Hillary Clinton at the united nations, you knew immediately she was lying. You didnt know how long it would take for all of the lies to unravel, but they unraveled. The same thing here. And i will say the only thing the campaign did well yesterday was stop the candidate from lying in front of a camera, or lying in a tweet, pretending this wasnt what it was plagiarism. I actually felt bad for sean spicer watching him on tv. I knew he had been sent out with this memo where he had to compare melanias speech to sparkle on my little pony. He was making a case and had to keep a straight face. Runyon got pulled out by don jr. A few hours later. There goes my credibility. If youre sean, if youre a republican that wants to get on board, youre saying, let me get this straight. First were saying its a great speech, then three hours later we understand that theres plagiarism, then the campaign one hour later says there was a team of speechwriters, and then three hours later in the morning, manafort is pushing back on it, and then so sean and the rest of the rnc have to respond to that, and then don jr. Pulls the rug out from under. Its just chaos. And, really, in the grand scheme of things, i think they could have ripped this bandaid off quicker, sooner and really gotten over it. I mean, because nobody wants to be piling on Melania Trump. There is i think this isnt her fault. They could have ended this quicker and gone look, i think it is starting to fade. I think theyll get over this. But, boy, its just a reminder of how theyve got a lot of structural infrastructure. Its very symbolic and thats problematic. The takeaway from this is how they dont really have a campaign organization. Thats the big picture. Its also murky about who actually wrote the speech. Ive been trying to report who is going to take responsibility for these prepared remarks . You have two former bush speech writers saying they prepared a draft and that draft was scrapped, then you have a person saying it was a Trump Organization, a ghostwriter for the trump family, she was involved. Robert, do you want to know what it was since we cant get the answers . It was a member of the trump family, and thats the bottom line. Are we all going to sit around and pretend it was someone else . A ballerina did it . Come on simple explanation . There is a reason why donald trump has not said anything. That to me is the biggest tell of all. Thats what mark halpern said yesterday morning at 6 30 p. M. Theyre not firing anybody, Michael Steele, because theres nobody they can fire. Its inside the inside. It is within the family, and theyve lost control of that. Again, i go back to my first point. Its because they have no internal process thats transferrable and connected to the broader process that the party already has in place to help avoid this exact kind of situation. I was going to say, chuck, i think it was your show yesterday tom cotton was on with you and i saw him last night at the convention. He made a speech two nights ago. He said there was vetting. He handed in his speech to the Trump Campaign, somebody looked over it. He got some notes back. He said it was mostly for time, not content. But its not like nobody is looking at these speeches. There are eyes on the speeches. So yes, the campaign doesnt have all the proper failsaves a typical campaign would have, but its not like nobody is looking at the speeches. This has to be something different. This fell into a different category. So mika, lets pull back a little bit here. Look at this from 30,000 feet. Monday everybody would suggest monday was a failure. The convention was a nightmare. Its exactly the wrong way to kick off a convention week. But last night certainly inside the arena, at least, a lot more energy, a lot more excitement, and a more successful day on day two. You can check day two off as positive. There were certainly some bright spots. I think donald jr. Is one of them, Chris Christie is one of them. But it was disorganized. It took a long time to get to things. I think it kind of went late. Didnt it seem to be delayed . It ended on time but it was abrupt. There was some weird hiccups. They still basically, as soon as don jr. Finished, again, the arena empties out. So Shelly Capito was supposed to be the issue speech because they want to hit clinton hard on the coal stuff. You could tell there was a point they wanted to make, but again, if the most interesting speaker, however you want to put that, unique speaker, in this case don jr. , you put that person first, not last in the 10 00 to 11 00 hour, people are going to bail. And the room emptied again. They ended on time this time. They did do that. You could tell they did speed that up. These are highprofile women senators who you want to elevate and showcase. A lot more energy inside the room the second night than the first, right . A lot more energy. But you studied the conservative movement, joe, and a big question still looming over this convention is whats the argument republicans are making to the country . Theyre making an anticlinton case, theyre introducing donald trump to the country on a personal level. But you didnt hear a lot of idealogy. You heard some of it from speaker ryan, you heard trumps friends talking in a populist way about trade and immigration, but this was not a case on the idealogical, conservative side of things. Thats what i was thinking while i was literally watching the ufc guy. Dana white . Yeah. And i was sitting there thinking, there are so many people speaking at this convention that just like bob said, who arent making the republican case or the conservative case. In past conventions, you would have one policy speech after another policy speech, and while there are some people in the Trump Organization that might think thats boring, thats actually why you have conventions, to try to talk people into voting for you instead of the other person. Thats not happening here. There are a lot of people talking about Donald Trumps Business Success and his instincts, and thats what dana white talked about. Donald trump was one of the first on board with the ufc. I think people get that. What they want to hear is, is he going to be a conservative president . I think you might get some of that from mike pence who was chosing to bee inn to be a conse president with trump. The entire republican primary has not been about the substance of policy. They almost come out with a 40point plan that people are falling over to read. Thats not this race. Its not been the idealogical race which is how someone like donald trump is able to go from 1 to the nomination, past a ted cruz, past a marco rubio, who have the philosophical perspective to bring to the argument. This is not the race we typically would see. Donald trump is taking advantage of that. Yes, there may be some policy tonight from pence, but the base itself, broadly speaking, is not in that space. They want someone who is just going to be that fighter for them going up against Hillary Clinton, which is why the Hillary Clinton stuff gets the big we talk about policy. Who is at the center of conservative policy for the past decade . Paul ryan . Were not even talking about paul ryan. He has been completely eclipsed by trumpism. Hes been damaged by trumpism. Hes been compromised politically by trumpism, and as the New York Times and im not one who usually quotes the New York Times editorial page editorial when the paper does it themselves, but they have it right. He has been twisted into a pretzel this year and it has been very bad for him politically. It was interesting, his speech. I think if you line all the speeches up for monday and tuesday, which one of these is not like the other, its ryans. That thing was a chicken breast, there was so little red meat in it. It was you could tell it was one that he wanted to say, i want to be positive. He talked about his poverty agenda. He wanted to go there. I think there were two mentions of trump, just about him being the person that would sign these bills and help with this agenda. Hes still trying to keep his persona. You could see hes trying to say im supporting the nominee but im trying to preserve my own political personality. But i dont know, i think is trump a tattoo or a stain on paul ryan . What have the ryan people been thinking over the past several months . What are they thinking right now about how this impacts his run in 2020 . I saw some Close Friends of speaker ryan off the floor, and they were watching ryan, and it was a strange moment, because you think back four years ago, paul ryan is there at a Republican Convention as the Vice President ial nominee. Its a different party, a different time making the case on entitlement reforms and sweeping tax cuts, and now hes there to introduce donald trump, to make sure donald trump secures the nomination. And they say ryan believes the party could still shift back to those jack kemp style politics, kind of the uplifting brand of republican politics that focus on poverty and tax cuts, but theyre not that sure about it. Here you have the wouldbe future of the Republican Party, paul ryan. Hes on early in the night, hes not highlighted by the Trump Campaign. The room wasnt really paying attention to this the speech. It was kind of a listless room. He didnt seem like his heart was in it. He was kind of going through the motions of supporting donald trump because he had to. This is the guy who still could be the future, but he didnt feel like it last night. You just said something that i really want to just go around really quickly before we go to break. You said his heart wasnt in it. Again, ive been watching ive been going to Convention Since 96. Ive been actually watching conventions since i was a young kid. The first one i remember were starting in 72. I have never seen a convention where everybody seems to be going through the motions. Their hearts arent in this. I dont know why. Well, dont you think its because the convention is filled with a lot of the professional, Political Class inside the Republican Party, professional activists i dont mean saying theyre not true activists, but just sort of the traditional activists. But theyre looking at the numbers. And i cant tell you how many there is nobody is sitting here trying to say, oh, yeah, i think we can definitely win in november, right . You dont hear that case. Its, i hope we survive. I think thats what it is. You cant find people that think, all right, maybe this convention can get everything on board. I dont think people have been given a reason to believe yet. But i think this event, trumps enthusiasm that he has, hasnt come here because his people arent here. This is the professional activists. I was thinking back to philadelphia, the last time we had bush was going to be the guy that delivered republicans from clintonism. And starting on monday, you couldnt walk around the floor. I mean do you remember . You couldnt move. And it was monday. They thought they were going to win, thats why. Dont you think . Everybody came to town when that convention started. They believed they were going to win the white house. And i remember when george w. Bush, a guy who wrestled with the english language, a guy who had had a guy who had had so many awkward moments, he was not ronald reagan. But i remember when that guy came on stage thursday night, it was as if zeppelin was playing a concert in 71. The whole place went absolutely crazy, and now just to see how flat it is inside the hall, i just ive got to say i dont know it doesnt seem to bode well for what happens in the fall. I wouldnt put too much stock in what youre seeing and feeling in this hall. Keep in mind, joe, that youve these delegates have been pounded for the last particularly the last month. All the drama about, you know, stop trump, dump trump, all the pressure to convert and move from here to there, the energy has been sucked out of this convention before the Convention Even began. Yeah. So the fact that you expect people to go rah, rah on a tuesday night is a hard get at this point. But outside these walls, its a very different vibe. You talk to nicolles brother, you talk to people where they are i love this, the walls. Outside these walls thank you both. Still ahead on morning joe outside these walls were someone Paul Manafort represented in past lives. Governor mary fallin of oklahoma joins us. So does representative Kevin Mccarthy. But first its easy for the leaders to say not us, not now. Weve sat silently by and let them get away with it. But tonight, i say enough. Tonight i say together, lets make a much different choice. Tonight we are speaking up for ourselves and stepping up. Tonight were beginning to do what is right and what is necessary to make America Great again [ cheers and applause ] yes, he stole it he stole it plagiarism no. That was Chris Christie speaking at the rnc not this year, but in 2012. Maybe it was. He joins us next as four years later hes speaking on behalf of a much different nominee. Youre watching morning joe. Well be right back. Be the you who doesnt cover your moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. Be the you who shows up in that dress. Who hugs a friend. Who is done with treatments that dont give you clearer skin. Be the you who controls your psoriasis with stelara® just 4 doses a year after 2 starter doses. Stelara® may lower your ability to fight infections and may increase your risk of infections and cancer. Some serious infections require hospitalization. Before treatment, get tested for tuberculosis. 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Guilty and here at home for risking american secrets to keep her own and lying to cover it all up . Guilty wow. Wow, wow, wow. Joining us now, fresh off his im nervous to the republican National Convention last night. New jersey governor Chris Christie, how are you . Im fine, how are you . I dont know. Am i guilty or not guilty . I dont know. Youre definitely guilty. Very, very guilty. As charged. So i commented this morning, there has been an element in the Republican Party that didnt know whether to love you or hate you, Still Holding back that was my own family. In 2012 because of the hug with obama. Last night had to feel really great having the entire Republican Party actually respond to you more energetically than anybody else who has been here this week. Its because of the case im making. I dont think it had as much to do with me as it did they were really cheering loudly when you walked out there. The whole place was electric. It was nice to see. As a friend, it was nice to see. Listen, as you said earlier, it beats the alternative. I just thought last night i really needed to make the case slowly and methodically, factually against Hillary Clinton. The problem is that, you know, people get in my party often get so angry about her that they yell and they scream and they use kind of, you know, divisive language that doesnt get to the core of my problem with her. Like lock her up. Yeah. That made me nervous. I know you didnt do it. Lets face it, the core of the problem with her and the thing that got the crowd more and more heated up last night was i was reminding them of every one of her miserable failures. And so the core of the problem with Hillary Clinton is that people do nothing shes worthy of the president. Not based on past scandals, based upon the very resume is that tshe uses as proof that sh deserves to be president. When you look at that i saw stuff on the commentary afterwards and watched the liberal commentators twist themselves into pretzels why do you do that . Do you read comments on articles, too . No, i dont, but i keep my tv on this station so when i turn it on i dont have to do any changing of buttons. Im talking later than nicolle. As did you your call and response, you heard the lock her up, lock her up. Its not the first time Trump Supporters have chanted that. Youve looked at evidence, youve studied the email case. Do you believe she should end up convicted of something, or put in prison for what shes done . She should be convicted, absolutely. I have Great Respect for jim comey, and ive told everybody this. I told donald this a number of times. I think jim comey is a smart, good guy, but heres the problem. He forgot his job. Because Loretta Lynch is so absent from this, so compromised herself by meeting with president clinton on the tarmac, jim comey thought he had to be fbi director and prosecutor at the same time. So you say, as a reasonable prosecutor, i might not bring this case. My point to jim when i talk to him about it might be, when the fbi guys came in and said, bring this case, we decided, or if they said dont bring this case, we decided, he should have just laid out the facts privately, quietly, and made the attorney general make this call. If i were the person looking at that evidence, i bring the case. Why do you think he didnt . It wasnt his job to, right . He couldnt stand up and say bring the case, he didnt have the authority but he could recommend charges. He could, but i think that would be very difficult for him to do publicly which is why i think the whole public part of it was a mistake. The problem is the attorney general is so compromised ethically, she cant say one way or the other because she decided to take a meeting. By the way, lets clear this up. Shes got fbi agents that are guarding her all the time. When he came to the plane, lets assume that the story is the way they said it it is. Old bill just came wandering across the tarmac, hey, looks like the attorney generals plane. Let me go see her. The fbi would just go in and say to her, excuse me, attorney general, former president clinton is outside. Anyone with any kind of common sense at all says, tell the president thanks a lot. Not the best time for us to talk. You said you trust the professionalism of jim comey. Youve known him, you worked with him. Why do you think he didnt recommend the charnges . I think it was too much for him to do at one time. He had to be the fbi director and it was a lot for him to bite off. I dont think he was in the tank. I just think he was wrong. You were in the u. S. Attorneys office. I did. So youre used to working with fbi officers. All the time. Why do you think this investigation took so long . Mike, its hard to say. But i would tell you that i think when i was dealing with very highprofile political cases, which i did a lot of, as you know, man, you got to make sure, as they say in the fbi, its a head shot. Youve got to make sure that youve dotted every i and crossed every t, because you know the person on the other side is going to have the best Legal Counsel money can buy, the best investigators, and theyre going to take your case apart even if its a great one. So youve got to make sure. My guess is thats why it took so long, because you dont want you cant swing and miss on this one. If youre going to go and try to take out a high political figure and you swing and miss, bad news. So you have to make sure. You were one of the first to get on the trump train, and some might argue that the easier thing to do here would be to go after Hillary Clinton and to get her at all her weaknesses, especially from your perspective with your expertise, and you did that with great talent last night. What about donald trump as a leader . How can you honestly reassure people that he can be trusted, that he tells the truth, that he is a republican and not a democrat, and that he will promote policies that really help widen the conservative movement and bring more people into the party . I cant think of one person who has actually said that who is the nominee thats done all that . I mean, you know, since ronald reagan, who is the nominee who has done all that . Basically we havent won a broad victory in an election in the Republican Party since george bush i in 1988. Im not going to warrant every one of those items for you. How about one . Im serious. First of all, ive known him for 14 years, and i trust him that when he gives his word hes going to keep it. And secondly, i would say to you, this is not like a Political Science class. This is the real world. There is a binary choice here. Its donald trump or Hillary Clinton. Donald trump was not my first choice for president. I was. Right . It didnt work out. And so as a result, youve got to decide and i said this to jeb bush the other day. Its chicken or fish, man. Its one or the other. I tried that, too. It didnt work. Its a binary choice, and every republican who is not working for trump is working for clinton. Its just the way it is. So you cant get there. You cant see the bush familys perspective, that they simply john kasich, who was insulted by Paul Manafort really blowing up the first day of the convention. Youre friends. You and i both worked for 43. You cant see how people can arrive at the point where theyre with donald trump . No, i cant see where people are at the point where they want Hillary Clinton. I would love to live in a world where i could say, well, i dont like the choice of my own party, therefore im just going to sit it out. But the absolute result of sitting it out is a Hillary Clinton presidency. So when she no, maminates her ultraliberal justice in the Supreme Court, i would look at my friends like jeb bush and john kasich and say, satisfied . Your conscience is pure now . Excellent. Good for you. But the fact is that he will make good choices for the Supreme Court from the perspective of a conservative, and certainly much better choices for the Supreme Court. How do you know . Because ive seen the list of people hes talked to and ive spoken to him about that, joe. You and i both know while we were voting for republicans and while we were working for republicans and while we were fighting for republicans, donald trump was a democrat. Donald trump was giving money to Hillary Clinton. Donald trump was saying that Hillary Clinton would make the best president that she would make a great president. He became a republican a couple years ago. How do you convince conservatives that have fought for the cause their entire lives that this guy is not going to completely abandon them after he becomes president . What i convince them of is there is a very good chance he wont do it, and there is no chance Hillary Clinton wont. Again, joe, i go back to this being a binary choice. This is not about sitting here and saying, gosh, if the world were perfect from my perspective or your perspective. That would mean i would be the nominee for president and you would be the nominee for Vice President and life would be perfect. It would be incredible. Intensity determines who wins and who loses. Right. Barack obama had it in 08, he had it again in 12. Were not talking about jeb bush or john kasich, were talking about all the people, the type of people that would knock on doors for you and me, put hangers on doors and aggressively go out and fight for a candidate. Youre not going to find that today in gross, large numbers after a 17th person primary where everybody was split up into more pieces than the party has ever been split up in my lifetime. Ive seen good people who were friends of mine and supported us over the years who were with three or four different candidates over time, over the last 9 to 12 months. We take some time to bring that back together and donald is the kind of person who is not necessarily going to reach out and be warm and fuzzy, give people a hug and say be on the team. They cant even seem to run a campaign effectively, the family seems to be split right now. Mike halpern reported yesterday that actually melania did not go out to see mike pence being selected because she was angered by the way the children had taken the process over. It seems that there is disarray and chaos inside the Campaign Even among family members. If they cant run the campaign effective effectively, how do they run the government effectively . Well, donald has run it effectively enough to win 38 states and beat 16 other people, me being one of them. Now the time has come for them to pivot at this convention to a general election footing. And thats going to take adjustments from everybody, from the candidate first and foremost, and for everyone in his orbit. Theyll have to adjust from a new world to a general election world. I think he has begun to do it. He is not totally there yet. And im hoping what what were going to see thursday night is the more complete pivot into a general election mode. Does he need to expand his Campaign Operation just beyond family members and Paul Manafort . Sure. Of course. That would be a yes. Will he do it . Him . You know more than anything else, what motivates donald trump is winning. More than anything else, what motivates him is wanting to be a winner and not wanting to be a loser. That motivates him. Ive taken a tally and 93 of what he said was original content. Thats pretty good. If 93 of what i say is original content, its a huge day in the christie household. Huge, huge day. Thank you, chris. Always good to see you. Coming up thank you for the verdict. Theyre not Donald Trumps most vocal supporters, but the top two republicans in congress probably could have said a little more about donald trump in their speeches. Paul ryan here in cleveland last night. Well hear from paul ryan and Mitch Mcconnell. Morning joe is back in a moment live from cleveland. [ applause ] using 60,000 points from my chase ink card i bought all the fruit. 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For mcconnell, the Washington Post tallied 24 mentions of the democratic nominee and just five for trump during mcconnells speech. During speaker ryans 12minute speech, just two mentions of trump. Here are some of the attack lines from last night. Hillary clinton is the definition of status quo. What does the Democratic Party establishment offer . They are offering a third obama term brought to you by another clinton. When innovation advances technology, Hillary Clinton uses it to put americans secrets at risk. She lied about her emails. She lied about her server. She lied about benghazi. She even lied about sniper fire. She even lied about why her parents named her hillary. Hillary has changed her positions so many times, its impossible to tell where the conviction ends and the ambition begins. I just dont think it works because i dont think they believe in trump. Is that the bottom line . I dont know. Joining us now, republican strategist and former general counsel to the Republican National committee, ben ginsberg. Ben, do they believe in their candidate . You can pound away at the opposition all you want, but if you dont believe in your guy and you have nothing to say, what are you really doing . Its what Chris Christie said, its a binary choice and thats the thinking. So they dont believe in trump . Theyre going to let the case for the candidate be built tonight and tomorrow night. More trump children, mike pence, and ultimately the nominee himself, and hes the one who needs to build that case. Nicolle, help me out here. At these speeches, arent they really excited about their candidate . Arent they really hopeful about the conservative platform, and arent they really, really sort of behind everything that he stands for . Theyre both. Listen but where was that yesterday . Its missing, and i think ben and i were sitting next to each other and i said, this is sort of the guys who used to hate trump speaker night. Paul ryan came around very late and very reluctantly. At least everyone that spoke has now endorsed him. I dont think they like him, nicolle. They dont even say anything about him. I think its accurate to say theyre not enthusiastic about him. The room didnt feel much enthusiasm because paul ryan didnt feel much. Paul ryan was on the stage longer than i think anyone else last night because he was presiding over the vote. You almost wanted to, like, give him a hug and free him, you know . He seemed miserable. Its a different kind of election, too, because this is the two least popular candidates in president ial history. So youre going to hear more negativity from both sides. So next week youre going to see the same thing, just going after trump and no excitement about Hillary Clinton . I think youre wrong if you would say that. I think there is going to be there will be both. This time next week, i believe the democrats will literally erase any ground gained, if any. Donald trump will be a target rich i mean, mark, am i being rude here . It really seems like nobody likes their candidate. None of the people we just showed had as their first choice donald trump. I think two things are making this a possible alliance. One is theyre resigned to this. The roll call took place. This is their nominee. They now believe that trump can do well enough to keep them from losing their majorities. The better trump does, the more likely Mitch Mcconnell stays the majority, paul ryan stays the majority. They have a selfinterest in donald trump doing well enough to keep their jobs. We have to Start Building a little bit of an affirmative case if youre a republican. Hillary clinton, they had the lock her up chant last night. 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Even if youre not a customer. The chair announces that donald trump, having received a majority of these votes entitled to be cast at the convention has been selected as the Republican Party nominee for president of the United States. And good morning. It is wednesday, july 20th. Were live again from cleveland. Cleveland you know what they call cleveland . What do they call it . City of champions, baby. City of champions. And it is. Along with us we have former Communications Director for george w. Bush nicole wallace. She doesnt sleep. Are you all right . Well see. Its early. Youre holding up well. Cohosts of with all due respect. Willie geist is here. We walked in to i wasnt supposed to tell anyone . Yes, he gets mobbed. So cute. The cavs won the title. Cleveland indians have the best record in the American League as well. Good job. Im really hoping, i need an indians fleece. Im really hoping not to wear this five days in a row. If i could get an indians fleece here. Can we talk about the fact that im getting a truck today . I should be at least. You should. Where is mike . Just waking up now how many people are watching us now . 73 million. Exactly. This is a big day. For those of you who do not, mika made a bet with mike barnacle. He said that donald trump would never win the nomination. You said i will bet you a truck. When do i get a real pickup truck that i can drive away . Donald trump is now officially the republican president ial nominee which makes me a pickup truck owner. The businessman and first time candidate was nominated by senator Jeff Sessions of alabama and put over the top by his four eldest children casting the votes of the new york delegation. It is my distinct honor and great pleasure to nominate donald j. Trump for the office of president of the United States of america. I have the incredible honor of not only being a part of the ride thats been this election process and to watch as a small fly on the wall what my father has done in creating this movement. Its not a campaign anymore. Its a movement speaking to real americans, giving them a voice again. It is my honor to be able to throw donald trump over the top in the delegate count tonight with 89 delegates. And another six for john kasich. Congratulations, dad. We love you. Indiana governor mike pence was declared the Vice President ial nominee. With the ticket complete, trump thanked the convention via satellite. A little over one year ago i announced my candidacy for president. With your vote today, this stage of the president ial process has come to a close. Together weve achieved historic results with the largest vote total in the history of the Republican Party. This is a movement, but we have to go all the way. So lets just stop right here. Willie geist, we said it in august, september, october, november, when everybody said it would never happen, kept holding up the newspaper reading the date saying, its happening, its happening. I think in the midst of all the chaos and controversy, we really should just press the stop button for one second and just talk about how extraordinary this is that donald trump is the republican nominee. This is the guy whos flirted with it many times. Became a cry of wolf. Nobody believed he was going to do it. He did it this time when no one thought he would do it. Then he stayed in the race. He rose up from 1 in the polls, got through the summer of trump, made it through the fall of trump. The argument after that was, well, people say they like him because theyre mad at government. Theyre not actually going to vote for him. Then comes New Hampshire. The dominos begin to fall. It was a remarkable moment. You heard donald trump jr. Make the announcement. It was a moment to press pause and say, wow. Whether you like him or hate him, this is a remarkable moment in american historian. The one moment that was so hard to get past early on wasnt donald trump at 1 or 2 . There have been other politicians that have began campaigns at 1 or 2 . The numbers that were the most staggering at the time and say, gosh, this guy is so unpopular, hell never win, were his disapprovals in the 60s among republican primary voters and he turned those around quickly. Not just disapprovals but in the polls that would ask, would you ever evnever ever vote for the numbers were in the high 60s for people who said they would never vote for him. In the course of a year he turned the numbers from 6030 never and flipped them upside down. Never seen anything like that in my career. Laughed at by the intellectual establishment, by the political establishment, by the media establishment. I mean, this guy was completely discounted as a complete joke. People stormed off our set in disgust when we said that hed be relevant. And that he would make a defense. Not that he might be able to win the nomination. There were a lot of people upset when we said hed even be relevant. There was a moment a lot of the Political Class and the media class watch our show. So something will happen on the show and ill hear from a lot of people. Well all hear from a lot of people. I think the moment that people. Stopped and said, wait a second, theres something happening out there actually was a moment we showed your focus group of New Hampshire voters and somebody in that crowd said i believe something along the lines of hes one of us. Just like us. Hes just like us. And everybody gasp. E ed. There was a collective gasp between political and media elites. Every four years we pick nominees and theres always a combination of factors, primarily the mood of the electorate and what the person is offering up. And donald trump we all know hes unlike anyone else not just whos ever won for president. I think hes unlike anyone ive ever met. He understands a lot about the electorate and the current mood of the country. Hes been saying the same things for decades about whats wrong. What hes been saying suddenly matched up with a lot of people in america with that ability to talk to people in a way. Don jr. Said hes a blue collar billionaire. He understands working class people. He talks like a guy from queen, not like a fancy guy. People like it. My brother, your dad, but heres the question, is this broad enough . Has donald trump just figured out a massive version of micro targeting for the Republican Party . Im dead serious. Good question. Because we talk about how extraordinary it is what hes accomplished and yet last night more people voting against him, more delegates than since gerald ford. The thing ive noticed, all the empty chairs. Yeah. Ive noticed a lack of enthusiasm which changes a bit last night. But ive been to every Convention Since 1996. Ive never seen empty chairs like i have this one. Ive never felt the lack of enthusiasm. Maybe that changes by thursday night. But lets tell both sides of this story. This is a house divided. Yes. He is so polarizing that even at his own convention its a room divided. Hes such a polarizing figure. I was thinking, my parents were onto what youre describing well before i was. Last august i went home and i had worked for the bush family and i said no, no, were trump people. I was aghast. He really is the first politician to completely ly bl all of us and people who have done this before. To his credit, he did it without any of us. Lets get to the highlights of the night. In spite of the theme being make america work again, many of the speakers sought to contrast donald trump and Hillary Clinton. Delegates repeatedly broke into chants of lock her up. This time during governor Chris Christie address which took on the tone of a mock trial prosecuting the case against clinton. America and the world are measurably less safe and respected because of the iran deal that hillary helped cut, period. Hillary clinton as an inept negotiator of the worst Nuclear Arms Deal in american history, is she guilty or not guilty . As a flawed evaluator of dictators and failed strategists who has permitted russia back in as a major player in the middle east, is Hillary Clinton guilty or not guilty . Hillary clinton, as a coddler of the brutal castro brothers and betrayer of fallen state trooper foster and his family, is she guilty or not guilty . And here at home for risking americas secrets to keep her own and lying to cover it all up . Guilty so Chris Christie was the prosecutor, no doubt about it. He did his job very well up there. It was electric inside the hall. But there was a concern. All those chants of lock her up, the concern that they went from being enthusiastic to nasty. To being nasty. We heard that even from republican senators and others that said too much. There was some cringing in the hall when the lock her up chants went out. Jeff flake put out a tweet as he watched and said come on guys we can prosecute the case against her without suggesting she be thrown in prison. Usually its just spout benghazi. He laid it out case by case reminders why you should be against Hillary Clinton. But he was calling out guilty or not guilty. It was sort of uncomfortable in the hall. For Chris Christie heres a guy who four years ago was mocked and ridiculed for hugging barack obama. Yeah. It certainly was a triumphant return to center stage for Chris Christie. Yeah. I thought he was a pretty calm adult voice in the room up on the stage. Again, he laid it out the way a prosecutor would. Yesterday we had mike murphy on our show and mike said one of the purposes of a National Convention is to reach outside your party base, expand your coalition, right . So what in the course of the last two nights, putting aside the performances, good and bad of individuals, what has the party done in the last two nights to expand, to reach out beyond its base . When i watch lock her up, thats a message that totally revs up the Republican Base. But is there anybody outside the Republican Base who hears lock her up and wants to be this is the sort of thing that i would always say. Youre playing to your home crowd. Youre playing to your home crowd. I see an abc news poll from last week, a shocking poll, 65 of americans think she should have been indicted. Only 35 dont think she should have been indicted. Yes, i wish the crowd hadnt have chanted lock her up, but this sentiment goes well beyond the Republican Party. My initial reaction, your initial reaction then i remember that abc poll. There are a lot of americans who think that comey gave her a free pass. It goes back to something weve been saying which is the only democrat donald trump could probably win a general election against is Hillary Clinton. And about the only republican Hillary Clinton could win a general election against is donald trump. Not to put too much on her shoulders, but i this ivanka trump tomorrow night is going to expand the message. Well see next week in philadelphia an array of national figures, president obama, Michelle Obama. Mike pence will be solid but Chris Christie is one of the few people in Donald Trumps corner who can command a national audience. Thats a big thing for him and a big thing for trump. Still ahead on morning joe, the first woman to serve as oklahomas governor mary fallon joins us ahead of her address to the convention. Plus live from cleveland its saturday night. Snl cast members are here to preview their special editions of weekend update. Real is touching a ray. 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Were going to get it back better than ever before. I know well get it back because i know my father. I know that when people tell him it cant be done, that guarantees that he gets it done. I know that when someone tells him that something is impossible, thats what triggers him into action. I heard this from willie as well earlier, but you say in the hall after don jr. Spoke, even bush people were saying a star is born. Hes so new to all of this. He got emotional last night. I talked to him about it afterwards. The moment for the family is such a big deal, but his performance skill is quite something. He is a conservative. Hes not just a son whos there to cheer his dad on. He believes in the conservative movement on a lot of issues. Hes far more conservative than his father. Last night on the floor they chose to let new york put him over the top, not ohio or florida. They let new york and the family put him over the top. Then don jr. Gave a speech which has gotten great reviews. His ability to combine a conservative agenda was i thought clearly the anchor of the night along with Chris Christie. There was more kind of a traditional conservative policy agenda. He was speaking in the way if it wasnt donald trump jr. It was kind of the way you expect a lot of republican speakers would be at a Republican Convention, just laying it out, the basic rock ribbed republican idealogical agenda laid out in a way his father never does. It struck me. The power of the family is theyre immune from all the icky stuff that attaches itself to the candidate. There was a risk for him in going there but he pulled it off. Its risky for a spouse orch ki to make the argument and he did it very well. A very skilled speaker. The family has been incredible so far in terms of their performance on stage. We still have eric and ivanka. One thing they need to do is show a little humanity about their father. He is this big cartoon character that people only know on tv. Tell me about a time he was vulnerable, tell me about a regret that he has. I think youre going to hear that from ivanka. She has a lot of experience in the public eye, more than her brothers. Theyre building toward her speech in a major way. There were allegations of plagiarism on night two of the convention after Donald Trumps speech echoed a magazine column from this spring. Our schools used to be an elevator to the middle class. Now theyve stalled on the ground floor. Theyre like society Era Department stores that are run for the benefit of the clerks and not the customers. Trumps words were near verbatim of what a conservative writer had written in an american conservative magazine this past may. The writer immediately responded to allegations of plagiarism except it wasnt stealing. It was much ado about nothing. I was a principal speech writer for the speech. Its not an issue. We do find out who the scapegoat is for melanias speech. Unfortunately melanias speech opens this question up for everybody. It does. Were hearing now reports that melania turned to someone she trusted, Meredith Mciver, a new york city based former ballet dancer and english major who has worked on some of Donald Trumps books including think like a billionaire. Break this down for us. The ballerina named mciver. Cant make this stuff up. You go to matthew skully John Mcconnell have done a lot of speeches over the years for a lot of republican spouses. They have had the experience of turning in drafts of speeches and seeing them at altered in dramatic ways. The speech was ripped up entirely. According to whom . Theres some ambiguity about what happened. Both newspapers report that this woman Meredith Mciver was brought in, somebody who apparently has a valuable place within the trump world was brought in by Melania Trump to fix the speech. What happened then is still unknown. How we got from this draft by these professional speech writers to plagiarism is still not totally clear. This woman is apparently in the middle of that story. On the basis of what we know about her credentials, its not obvious that she should have been someone put in charge of this. Mciver said that she could fix the speech with nothing more than paperclips and ball bearings. I dont know how she did it. Shes basically a friend of the family. Yeah. It still gets back to your earlier point. A campaign has the responsibility before its sent into the teleprompter to vet it. Every speech. I know we have to go to break but the one thing we have seen over and over again is the family getting in the way of the story. I mean, some of your sort of management ideals or values sometimes keep the family out . Its a mess here. I would always be stunned when i would walk into a fellow congressman or congresswomans office and wed Start Talking about issues. And theyd say no, i cant do this because and fill in the blank, family members against it. I would say your family members against it and wed be talking policy. Id be like, they werent elected. I politely said everybody has their place, but you hire with taxpayer money policy people and you cant be vetoed by people that know nothing about politics, that know nothing about policy that swoop in and tell you, no, dont do that. The family weve talked all morning about the family doing great things for the campaign and speaking. But there is nobody in this family that has ever run a Political Campaign before. Or picked a Vice President. Or picked a Vice President before. Neither has the candidate, right . Exactly. Which is exactly why you get your family out of management or at least have them managing it with somebody thats actually done it before. Family shouldnt be in charge of speeches. This family is really close. They vacation together. My familys really close too. The reality is the Family Business is now trying to win the white house. If i decided to be a brain surgeon tomorrow i wouldnt have jake and kate and andrew and joey around going, scalpel . This is the thing that is really insulting to me. Ill say this directly to the trumps. Youve never done this before. And yes, you won the republican primary. But to suggest that just because youre close as a family that you all alone can run this without something that hasnt done something this complicated in the past 40 years is handing the presidency to Hillary Clinton. Let me say this to republicans who think, oh, you need to just blindly get behind your guy. No, not my guy. Hillary clinton, not my candidate. If republicans want to beat Hillary Clinton, it is time to bring on professionals who have done this since happy days was in prime time. And the answer is not the family. Or chachi. This is where Paul Manafort comes in. Im sorry. Gerald ford come on his experience is the ukraine. Paul manafort, when he became on board, i have been as enmeshed in politics as anybody in america since 1994, knowing capitol hill, knowing whatever. You know my first question when i saw Paul Manafort was taking over . Whos Paul Manafort . They said i think he works for gerald ford. No, doesnt count. Thats like getting bjorn borg in wimbledon. The family picked him, the family defended him when he went to war with corey lewandowski. The family should consider beefing up the circle around him. Ill say this about the family. Of course youre right if youre in Campaign Management school and you said should the candidate be reliant on his children who he loves just because he loves them . Who have never been involved in politics on any level. And the ballerina ghost writer. Just a matter of reality, its not going to change. Well, then theyre going to lose. Were one of the kids in charge of melanias speech . I dont think so. Were one of the kids in charge of melanias speech, one of the kids or inlaws . Im asking the question again and again because the answer probably ultimately is yes. Sorry. Listen, the thing is its a question of do they want hikllay clinton to be the next president or not . Its that simple. Youve got to bring in people that have done this before since 1976. Coming up, governor Chris Christie is ready to put Hillary Clinton on trial but its the jury of novoters this november o will have the final say. Think fixing your windshield is a big hassle . Not with safelite. This family needed their windshield replaced, but theyre daughters heart was set on going to the zoo. So we said if you need safelite to come to the zoo well come to the zoo only safelite can fix your windshield anywhere in the us. With our exclusive mobileglassshops. And our one of a kind trueseal technology, for a reliable bond. Service that fits your schedule. Thats another safelite advantage. Safelite repair, safelite replace. [baby talk] [child giggles] children i, j, k. [telephone rings] man hello . Man you may kiss the bride. [applause] announcer a full life measured in seats starts with the right ones early on. Car crashes are a leading killer of children 1 to 13. Learn how to prevent deaths and injuries by using the right car seat for your childs age and size. Ssoon, shell be bingestudying. Get back to great. Now get a swiss gear backpack for only 10. Its been a. Caller its been a Great Convention so far. Last night was fantastic. It was huge. Did you see melania . She stole the show, literally. She delivered her speech like a true first lady. That first lady being Michelle Obama, but still. She might have plagiarized some of it, but youve got to admit she did it harder, better, faster stronger. And you can quote me on that. Wow. Digital media is a huge part of the 2016 race. Its safe to say that politics will never be the same. Its not just the candidates changing the game. Its also the companies keeping up with the action. Tom brokaw got a firsthand look. On the second floor of a parking garage the future is here. We have 30 million subscribers. The digital universe made up of dozens of booths. Two and three people who are following the president ial candidates on instagram are voting age millennials. In the last 24 hours 8. 5 million americans posted almost 30 million opinions on facebook alone. At google second by second snapshots of what the voters are thinking. People are searching donald trump and police, donald trump and race issues, isis. Four years ago data such as this had a 36 hour lag time. Now its mere seconds. Thats the one thing we dont know. Much of social media is political. They serve up the news. You decide. Conservative news organizations use social media to expand their social views. We have over two million facebook likes. We articulate news and information that people cant get elsewhere. Until recently, candidates depended on newspapers, Television Networks and cable to get their messages out. Donald trump became the First Digital intense candidate, combining rallies with traditional media and the new forms, especially twitter. The question is can he keep it up and tweet his way to the white house . And tom brokaw joins us now. Also we have nbc chief Foreign Affairs correspondent Andrea Mitchell and Chris Jansing along with willie, joe and me. Tom, first of all, the fact that you could see literally the searches scrolling through every nano second. Youve got to see it firsthand. Its very hard for us to keep track of whats going on there because the digital universe is so wide and it happens at warp speed. But it is in my judgment the box top, its the voice of the people who are online and theyre talking to each other and theyre talking about the candidates. So on one hand its great for democracy. On the other hand its very hard to know whats true and whats not. You dont have a filtration system. It keeps coming at you, bang, bang, bang. Its the age of trump. It is the age of trump. Hes changed a lot of the rules. He has. Thats one of the rules hes changed. There were a lot of operatives out there who got millions of dollars running campaigns. And then they come upon a guy who simply tweets and doesnt cost him a dime. There is no filter and there cant be. But the bottom line it doesnt replace, it augments and maybe sup soupe supercedes. Lets not comment but just say here are the facts. This is what was just said and let everyone decide what they want to choose. For example, there was a lot of criticism about how this convention has rolled out. There are a lot of rough parts to it. There was almost no talk about whether theres plagiarism in her speech. They were responding frankly to the larger issues. By the way it was 5050. It was trump and hillary side by side. Wow. Its changed politics so much. I was talking to the folk whos run the Rapid Response for Hillary Clinton. It shocked me. In 2008 barack obama was on the cutting edge of all this social media stuff. His Rapid Response did not include twitter. Thats how far weve come. Think about the candidacies that were built through social media. Ben carson really had a facebook following that became a campaign. When you look at what happened with bernie sanders, that money was raised from kids who donated 27 each who got engaged because of social media. And the Melania Trump thing all blew up because of social media. Trumps campaign has spent zero dollars on tv ads. He can go past the media. He can tweet to 10 million followers what he wants to say. He famously said having my own twitter account with 10 Million People is like owning the New York Times without having to take all the losses that come with it. When you think about donald trump versus the super pac supporting jeb bush and the other money that jeb bush raised, thats the greatest contest i think in this case. The interesting thing is that what i underestimated is that donald trump came into this with such a huge following from reality tv. Millions and millions of people who watched him over 13 seasons on apprentice, for those of us who are moving around so much and are not watching reality tv, frankly, we didnt realize his brand was out there and then he built on it with social media, which was brilliant. He was easily the best known of all the candidates. The rest of us Pay Attention to jeb bush and governor kasich and Chris Christie. Those are figures across america who are kind of not well known. Trump was well known. He came in with a big head of steam and then he kept building on it with his rallies. He went to see the senate leadership. One of them said to me we we started in kind of an engaging way and we said mr. Trump we have issues that we need to deal with as a well. Wait a minute, its not about issues. I put on a show. The reason im doing so well is i get 25,000 people come to my show. Two different worlds. Not just well known. Its win thing to know someones name. But if you asked millions of americans before this election started, do you know who donald trump is . Of course. What do you know about him . Hes successful. The brand that you build when you do a reality show is you have to have somebody whos like the star and whos in charge, right . Every single personality in reality tv is manipulated. He is manipulated to continue the brand, so thats got to be positive. Heres whats remarkable this week about the donald trump brand, what two words did he say that made him famous . Youre fired. What are the two words he needed to say this week, but he couldnt bring them to his lips . True. Im serious. What a great irony. Its telling. He cant say it and he needs to. Sometimes retaality tv doesn match up with reality. I suspect though, with no information and no evidence, i suspect there will be a pretty Massive Campaign adjustment after the campaign. I dont think anybodys going to do i mean after the convention. I dont think theyll do anything disruptive here. I dont think at the end of the day donald trump can allow his wife to be hung out to dry this way and not have the lead story in todays New York Times taking all of the leaking against melania. How do they do that . Theyve been leaking against melania since this story started. I have a contrary point of view. I dont think the country cares about whether he copied only words. Weve made a big deal about it but i think theyre saying im worried about healthcare. Im worried about where my job is going to come from. I think its a man thing. Hes not sticking to brand. Thank you. Coming up this morning on morning joe. Weve had two great nights. The first two nights were dedicated to the themes of making america safe again and last night making america work again. I think in both of those themes we achieved our objectives. Paul manafort gives the convention high marks. There you go. Well give our own after this. Those new glasses . They are. Do i look smarter . Yeah, a little. Youre making money now, are you investing . Well, ive been doing some research. Let me introduce you to our broker. How much does he charge . I dont know. Okay. Uh, do you get your fees back if youre not happy . dad laughs wow, youre laughing. Thats not the way the world works. Well, the worlds changing. Are you asking enough questions about the way your wealth is managed . Wealth management, at charles schwab. Are those made with allbeef, karen . Yeah, theyre hebrew national. But unlike yours, theyre also kosher. Only certain cuts of kosher beef meet their strict standards. Theyre all ruined. Help yourself oh no, we couldn. 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So are we willing to elect someone as president who has as their role model somebody who acknowledges lucifer . Okay. My teeth hurt. What was that . That was a long way to go. That was like a big windup. Andrea mitchell . He just connected Hillary Clinton to satan. I dont know. Maybe thats a hill hyperbolic. She also knows kevin bacon. I was trying to follow this. First of all, saul olinski was somebody that barack obama as a Community Organizer read but also Hillary Clinton. Its a chicago community, you know, symbol. But the lucifer dedication and Hillary Clinton, i thought that the lock her up response was great in the room, but im not sure how it plays with swing voters. That said, where is the love for the nominee . There was none. You didnt feel it in the hall. You didnt feel they motional vibe that you usually feel at a convention. 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Well were always looking for developers who are up for big world changing challenges like making planes, trains and hospitals run better. Why dont you check your new watch and tell me what time i should be there. Oh, i dont hire people. 53 past the hour. Joining us now House Majority leader Kevin Mccarthy of california who addressed the Convention Last night. Also with us governor mary fallon of oklahoma who speaks tomorrow. Also with us nbc news kroes correspondent Hallie Jackson. Kevin, a completely different convention than what weve used to coming to. Explain. The makeup is defereifferent delegates. Mar mary is going to talk tomorrow. Thursday night. They react different. If you listen to these speeches they respond when people talk. It is a different feel, especially that first night. Governor, its a different convention, different delegates. Is it a different Republican Party than what weve used to . I think it is a different Republican Party. We are seeing a lot of people who have never been involved in politics get involved in this election cycle. There are a lot of people who have come to the convention that have never been to one. This is so exciting. So it is different. The schedule i think is a little bit definite. Maybe n maybe not the way i would have done it. Ive seen some speakers before speakers and people who are back to back that maybe i wouldnt have put together. There is excitement just for the election itself and maybe a lot of worry. 75 of the people think americas going in the wrong direction. So you see a lot of interest in this election. To put you both on the spot a little bit, there seems to be and i havent heard your remarks yet obviously. But there seems to be a focus on Hillary Clinton, on her negatives. Theres a lot to work with. I get that. Is there a lack of enthusiasm for the candidate . Can you give me an honest answer for that on both of your parts . I think youre going to see compared to other conventions even . Is it a different floor . Theres people that have never been before. Theyre more excited than theyve ever been. Were in the process of trying to unify this party. I think pence helps that. But in each convention youll see whoever the nominee, its historical that people layout the arguments against. But i always think the best thing is layout an idea and a vision for the future. If you watch the house republicans, were trying to make it about policy not personalities. You talk about this idea of going after Hillary Clinton and making the arguments. We heard the chants last night of lock her up. Senator jeff flake talked about thats jumping the shark. Whats your response to that . Look at what i talked about. I talked about the differences for the last eight years and whats the has the party jumped the shark . Its a little rough. Theres going to be things said on both sides, on both conventions. Its a time for enthusiasm. What i really think has to happen when we get past these conventions is what is the vision for the future . Is it going to be status quo or a new direction . Whats happening across this country, lets not live in a bubble here. Things are changing in this country and around the world. If you think its not, i dont think status quo wins. Whatev are you talking about tomorrow night . I think you had a valid point. Theyre talk sing so much about Hillary Clinton. But tomorrow night im going to be talking about what the Republican Party stands for and remind people heres our party. Join us if you believe in these principles and ideals, if you believe we dont have fair trade in the world, if you believe weve got to do more to defend our country and stand up against people who threaten our way of life. If you believe in building jobs, a strong economy, those type of things, thats what im going to be talking about. Thank you very much. Great to have you both on. Were not done yet. Guess what . 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Oh anne you havent seen anything yet. Announcer give your Cardboard Box another life. Ssoon, shell be bingestudying. Get back to great. Now get a swiss gear backpack for only 10. Office depot officemax. Gear up for school. Gear up for great. Welcome back to morning joe. An extended hour today. Its day three of the republican National Convention. By the way, day three of this show as well. Its never going to end. This is usually the hour of the morning we all get together in the film room and go over the tape. Hold on. Before that what do we do . Bloody marys. We get our cigarettes out and smoke and then we call the orphanage and make sure the kids are going okay. Weve been doing this for almost ten years and that joke has been going for ten years. Okay. With us onset in cleveland managing editor of Bloomberg Politics mark halperin. And Hallie Jackson back with us. I guess she wants a bloody mary. Do we have them . Yeah. Well, there you go. Order up a bloody mary for her. Willie, the fix hes got glasses. Look at this. That match the tie. I had hundreds of ties. So donald trump tweeted this morning. Oh, good. Hes back. Congratulations my children, don and tiffany on having done a fantastic job last night. Im very proud of you. But still no comment on his wifes speech that had nearly word for word matches with Michelle Obamas 2008 address and really kind of threw was that the first day . Theres a new report that says Melania Trump personally revised her speech with another trusted hand, Meredith Mciver, a new york city based former ballet dancer and english major in college. I was an english major. She has worked on some of Donald Trumps books including think like a billionaire. The candidates wife is being bla blamed. I dont blame her. Paul manafort has new comments this morning. This will be good. When asked whether anyone will be held accountable. We really dont know what was done and who it was done by. As far as were concerned the speech was melanias speech. Its melanias speech . What was that . I didnt get it. What happened . I dont he i dont know what he this is now day three of this. Yeah. Which it just they should have just said, look, this is what happened. This person helped her. We had speech writers write it. It was a mess up. Shes embarrassed, were embarrassed. But we want to focus on making America Great again. Whats extraordinary about this is here we are in day three of this and they continue to throw the candidates wife under the bus. The story leaked to the New York Times directly pointed the finger right at the candidates wife and said it was all her fault. Everything that the campaign has been leaking since this began blames the candidates wife. Ive never seen anything like it. The Trump Campaign is unorthodox. Its produced a series of firsts. This is a first. Ive never seen anything like it in the context of a convention where theres a news vacuum. Theyve done nothing to exonerate her. Theyve done the. Opposite, have they not . As much as the facts are known, between don jr. Last night and anticipation for tomorrow night, they may just bull their way through it. They are attempting to basically fill it now with their speakers and hope it goes away. I just wonder if donald trump is going to sit for another day and watch his wife be dragged through this and finally say enough. Thats his own Campaign Manager by the way. Hes not normally inclined to comment on news. He has no vehicle to do so. Im surprised its gone this long with his wife being thrown under the bus, something she absolutely does not conservative by his own campaign, by the way. Lets remember, the speech was really well received. He has ability to talk about that as well and hasnt in a day. I think the time has come that there are real experts at the table with real experience under their belts. Im not sure why Paul Manafort is in that category. Otherwise you have someone described as a ballet dancer and english major in charge of melan melanias speech at the republican National Convention, the candidates wife, the nominee for president of the United States, her speech, her debut on the National Stage . This is its sort of like if unorthodox has worked and he became the nominee yesterday. Now its just sloppy. But youre like, hey, this person is an english major. They know about writing. Thats what you get. Lets talk, hallie, though, about Paul Manafort. Okay. Paul manafort was brought onto do one thing, make sure that when donald trump got the most votes, they got the most delegates. Hes the delegate guy. That was phase two of the campaign. Corey lewandowski, phase one, helped win the primaries on a shoe string budget. Phase two, lets actually convert all those wins into the nomination with delegates. And manafort has done his job. There are a lot of people around on the Convention Floor saying, okay, manaforts done his job, its time for him to move on and go to phase three. Phase three being figure out how to win a general election. I think theres a sense thats a little bit of an uphill climb. I do agree the childrens speech you saw from don jr. The delegates loved Tiffany Trump. She was the one who helped humanize donald trump in a way that you havent seen. The idea what when you go after Hillary Clinton chanting lock her up, she should be in prison thats not necessarily a direction of attack that every republican agrees on. Speaking of don jr. , though, he knocked it out of the park, right . A star is born. Between he and Chris Christie, those were the two biggest reactions in the room. These are people who dont do this for a living. These are not politicians. Theyre not just not politicians, its their First Time Ever in this arena. Do you guys agree with that, don jr. And Chris Christie, the two guys that knocked it out of the park . If you take don jr. And the selection of mike pence, people say they need to reach out to the center, they need to expand. They need to secure the conservative base. Donald trump sr. Has been a conservative for the last several years and a republican only recently. Donald trump jr. Is a conservative his whole life. That matters a lot. I heard from a lot of delegates that said if thats the son he raised, that guys got to be somewhat conservative. I thought he did a really good job. To willies point, this is hard. Its hard. Its stressful. Its difficult. I thought the thing that his message was really good we drove the big riggs. We talked to hanging sheet rock. Thats really good stuff. Remember Rick Santorum tapped into this, the sort of blue collar populism in the Republican Party. Donald trump you look at him and think that guys not a blue collar populist. Donald trump jr. Did a good job of selling the idea that this isnt a guy who sits in the board room. This is a guy who gets his hand dirty. I think thats a piece of donald trump that weve not really seen and an appealing piece. And especially when told by the son, i was there, i drive these trucks. The one thing weve always just marvelled at is these kids are great. And i think the point we need to make today is that what theyre doing on stage is exactly what they should be doing. But campaign strategy, i would say maybe perhaps leave that to the experts. Being a surrogate is not the same thing as being a strategist. Theres a mediating role. Manafort and other political professionals are there. My sense of things is theyre playing a mediating role to kind of balance out and say we want our dad to be true to himself. Theyre playing a really strong role. They are. And your concern or criticism to say thats too much, pros should be doing it. Theres no question theres some of that. But my sense is that more of what theyre doing is trying to create around him a structure where theyve seen him thrive. We have talked even before donald started running, talked about knowing him for ten, 11, 12 years. And any time anybody asked us whats donald trump really like, we always talked about the kids. So the kids going out and wowing the counted th country. Thats not surprising to us. Thats the thing that the great disconnect between donald trump. You said either a cartoon character, he kind of plays this sort of avengers role or Something Like that. But you get him off stage and you see him with his children, you t talk to his children and youre like wow, theres something there. Like hes obviously a good father because of the way the kids have turned out. Thats, as i said earlier, ivanka and maybe eric tonight too need to humanize their dad a little bit. You love your dad, he loves you. Thats great, but tell me a story about him. Tell me about a story where he was vulnerable. To most of the country he is the apprentice. Whats he like as a dad . I thought the Tiffany Trump stuff about the report cards adorable. That is something that you can latch onto and say my dad always wanted to see my report cards. So speaking of donald trump jr. , theres some reporting out that weve confirmed actually that he has made over april and may some overtures, the Trump Campaign did to john kasich for the Vice President ial slot. And im being told by an aide that don jr. Is the one who made that overture. Donald trump would be doing that make America Great thing, and you would be handling a lot of the foreign policy. Its interesting because it describes or gives some insight into what the Trump Campaign knows it needs to do moving forward. With the pence pick, the campaign knows they need to bring up some of those grassroots conservatives. A kasich pick would have allowed them to get some of those voters. Did he say no when donald trump reached out . Yeah. Im being told it wasnt direct to kasich. This was like a conversation among aides. The kids are all right. Lets hear from the trump kids last night. I still keep all of my report cards, some dating back to kindergarten because i like to look back and see the sweet notes he wrote on each and every one of them. Contrary to what you might expect from someone who places an emphasis on results, my dads comments referred often to the sentiments expressed by my teachers about how i acted in and out of the class room, just not even focusing on the letter grades themselves. Donald trump has never done anything halfway, at least of all as a parent. Were still americans. Were still one country. And were going to get it all back. Were going to get it back better than ever before. I know well get it back because i know my father. I know that when people tell him it cant be done, that guarantees that he gets it done. I know that when someone tells him that something is impossible thats what triggers him into action. You know, joe, we saw him also taking questions right after they called for new york. And he was he was very articulate, very quick on his feet, tough on the reporters. Theres a lot of talent there. Im sure a lot of republicans again last night watching don jr. Deliver that very conservative speech, again, that had to sway them. We talk about donald trump being a democrat. Donald trump is very pragmatic. If donald trump were a businessman in manhattan, kansas, he would have been a republican all these years. He was in manhattan, new york. He was a democrat. And he said it, because i had to get deals done. Adapted to his environment. Yeah. Both campaigns to some extent agree what this race is about. Will donald trump be seen as an acceptable alternative . You think about some of the traits that people associate negatively with donald trump, ungracious, rude, mean spirits. Some people see him that way and hes acted in a way to give people cause for that. Those three kids are polite, they are gracious. To a fault. No question. Amazing. The extent people see them last night and eric tonight, ivanka tomorrow, they will see people who reflect well on their father. A lot of people say could a father wi father whos not gracious raise three such gracious kids . Theyre going to see a child tonight who really hasnt ever been in the spotlight as much as don jr. Or ivanka. Lovely. Eric, everybody that knows him and talks to him talks about hes a wonderful, gracious guy. Ive never seen people come up to eric and eric not put down whatever hes doing and sit there and talk to them with a smile. Incredibly gracious. We spoke just a couple minutes ago when i was doing the show over at the q. I said tell me about your speech tonight. He says i finished the speech, its done. He said im going to be explaining the why, why voters should pick my dad as the next president. 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As comedians would you say cleveland is a target rich environment . What are you implying . Not the city but whats happening in the city. The things within it. We were going to be here anyway. We were like its summer. Youve got to get to cleveland. Youre republicans . Yeah, exactly. Natural. Major conservatives. We were hoping it would be a little bit more humid, but were dealing with it. Are you speaking tonight or tomorrow . Tomorrow. What are you going to be talking about . Donald trump. Im going to run with him. Are you going to knock pence off the ticket . I think so. I think me and donald make a great team. Because i could be like, hey, hey, take it easy don. I tell you i stayed at one of those trump hotels. Nice walls. There you go. The guy can build a wall. Donald trump provides almost a dilemma to people in comedy because in some ways its too easy, right . So whats your way in with him . Mainly i just look up to him as a father, you know. So for me i just speak from the heart. I dont know. I think we were talking about it. I like to talk about what i like about him. Everybody talks about what they dislike about donald trump. What do you like about him . Yes. Lets hear it. I dont like anything about hill. Im kidding. Im kidding. Hes a nice guy. We met him. Yeah. Hes great. You cant ignore hes clearly tapping into real frustration people have in america. The things people say about him are like hes an idiot. Its so wrong. Hes a billionaire. There arent idiot billionaires. You guys say youve met him before . There are idiot billionaires. Like who . Forest gump. He didnt get the money from forest gump the movie. He didnt . I never saw the end. Have you met trump . Yes. He hosted the show. Tell us about meeting him. When i met him, the first thing i asked him because he had the make America Great again hat, i was like which year specifically . He didnt have a good answer. [ laughter ]. I think we landed on 1992. When clinton was president. Thats not a make America Great again hat. This is make the angels great again. Tell me what people are going to see tonight if they tune into msnbc. Were not going to have an audience. Were going to be in the Convention Center right after mike pence speaks looking down on it. Looking down literally. Were not going to be like, pence. I mean we might. So its weekend update effectively. Its weekend update but it will be slightly different format wise. It might be talking through things on a topic level versus staring down the barrel of a camera telling a single joke. We dont have the studio audience. Its a little bit looser but a little bit more fun. And risky. Very risky. Im glad you said that. Everything you said sounds like youre jumping off a cliff. Yeah, these were things that should have been said to Lorne Michaels like a week ago. Basically its going to have the ambiance of tom snyders shows. I remember tom snider from twisted sister. From three men and a little baby. Plus, imagine following the excitement of a mike pence speech. Thats it. Youre done with. That is, though, going to be very interesting, going to be a challenge for you. Again new york cio audience to of. Its going to be fun. But its also what we were born to do. Is that the grossest thing youve heard . Were all born to do something. Im glad you were born to do that. No, man. Good luck. Its going to be really cool. Its unique. When are we going to get the chance to do this again . Four years. Next week in philadelphia. Oh yeah, great plug. You guys are going to philly and doing it there as well . Yeah. Were going to go to philly and get some cheese steaks and stuff. I think theyre famous for it. The special edition of weekend update airs tonight at midnight right here on msnbc. Watch the coverage, watch the speeches and hang out with michael and colin. Thank you so much. Thank you mary buys a little lamb. 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Joining us now chairman of africanamerican studies at princeton and author. And former advisor to senator rand paul elise jordan. Definitely want to get your take on the melania speech debacle . Is its the medias fault . Its a disaster. In the aftermath it becomes apparent just how terrible it is. They hired the best speech writers in the business. John mcconnell and matthew skully are so incredibly talented. Matt made sarah palin look smart. Theyre extremely talented individuals. They just ripped it to shreds and decided to plagiarize. Youve been involved in this. Youve been part of the speech writing process. You wrote something Time Magazine about every word being vetted. Exactly. We would go through and have an annotated version and literal if president bush said im so happy to be in khere, we would annotat with the bushes have had a house for a century in maine. If you go into the hundreds of pages for a state of the union address, it is just i cant imagine how they put themselves in this position for her public entry into this campaign. They just blew it. Lets talk about this Republican Convention so far and how ive been really taken by how they really seem to be reaching out to minorities, not only here in this city im joking, people. You can laugh. I guess the dryness has i take it from a man who believes barack obama is not sufficiently been concerned with the plight of black americans, youre probably not overwhelmed by this Republican Partys out reach. Im very pleased. I thought thats high you were tearing up. Exactly. The New York Times reported today of the 2472 delegates, only 80 are africanamerican. Then you think about george w. Bush and think about the rhetoric of compassionate of conservatism and you think about where is compassion in this convention, i listened to Rudy Giuliani and i was already angry. When i listened to Rudy Giuliani and i heard the language of make america safe again and the kind of rhetoric that harkened back to nixon, harkened back to my own beloved souths response to the civil rights movement. Remember, law and order wasnt a response to the riots. Law and order was a response to the protests by dr. King and others. When you hear that kind of rhetoric and combine that with trumps plagiarism im a professor, i had to bring it up. I was thinking well shes not quite t. S. Elliot. I dont think she was striving to be a mature poet. But the whole idea is theres nothing here in this moment that suggests that the america that theyre referring to includes me, includes women or latinos. 44 for george w. Bush. I thought nicole nailed it when she was talking about do we want to win . Do we want to alienate everyone . I think its a huge problem. We arent seeing any improvement from the Republican Party on this issue. And the 2012 autopsy report. Its unbelievable. I went to a couple of those events and everybody sat and talked and even the most conservative conservatives said we need to do more to reach out to hispanics and people of color and everybody sat there and im sure, elise, you probably went to a couple of these things. And you sit here four years later and Michael Steel you go, okay, this is about as far away from what everybody was talking about in 2013 as we could possibly get. I dont even want to have the conversation anymore. I hate getting asked the question, because it is wholly irrelevant to where we are right now as a party. I said when i was chairman really one of the first meetings i had with every state Party Chairman in the country, i said, please dont look to me as the first black chairman to bring black folk into the party, because i dont live in your community. I dont know the head of the naacp in chattanooga, tennessee. I dont know the head of the urban league in bronx, new york. You have to be the ones on that front line because you best reflect the party, all right . So if you open up our heart and the doors, theyll come in. If you build a wall, so to speak, they wont. Thats the reality the party is faced with. Please if you see me, dont ask me how we get black folks in the party. You tell me what youre doing to bring black folks into the party. You tell me what youre doing to bring hispanics and ill get behind that effort. For republicans it seems to me that the tragedy, politically at least, this was the party of lincoln. This was the party that dwig Dwight Eisenhower did very well. This party seems to be bending over backwards to offend the others. This has been a campaign about the others. You have the rhetorical side of this campaign, which is youre hearing here at the convention, which is Hillary Clinton is a criminal, she should be locked up, shell be a bad president. Does the melania speech thing matter . Then theres the math which is where the election is decided. If you cant win more than 14 of latino voters, which was the poll this week for donald trump, youve got no shot. That was the argue number that autopsy report was that mitt romney was in the low 20s. If we dont get that up to 30 or 40 , nothing else matters. Final word . Were not really going to address this issue of race in this country until we get rid of the bad faith thats at the heart of our conversation. Were going to have to examine the believes and assumption that informs how we really think about race. You could do all the rebranding, you could talk about all of the optics. Until we get at the heart of it, we will find ourselves right back in this space. How much grief have you got saying youre not voting for Hillary Clinton . People have been taking me to the altar at church but not for prayer. 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What im convinced about is theres a very good chance that he wont do it and there is no chance that Hillary Clinton wont. This is not about sitting here and saying, gosh, if the world were perfect from my perspective or your perspective. Right. I would be the nominee for president and youd be the nominee for Vice President. Life would be perfect. Intensity determines who wins and who loses. Barack obama had it in 08 and 12. Were not talking about jeb bush or john kasich. Were talking about the type of people who would knock on doors for you and me, put hangers on doors and aggressively go out and fight for a candidate. Youre not going to find that today in gross, large numbers after a 17person primary where everybody was split up into more pieces than the partys ever been split up in my lifetime. Ive seen good people who were friends of mine who were with three or four different candidates over time, over the last nine to 12 months. It takes some time to bring that back together. Donald is the kind of person who is not necessarily going to reach out and be warm and fuzzy. Thats part of the problem. Are they prepared . They cant seem to even run a campaign effectively. The family seems to be commit right now. Mark reported yesterday that melania did not go out to see mike pence being selected because she was angered by the way the children had taken the process over. It seems that theres disarray and chaos inside the Campaign Even among family members. If they cant run a campaign effectually, how do they run the government effectively . Donalds ran it effectively enough to win 38 states and beat 16 other people, me being one of them. Right. So now the time has come for them to pivot at this convention to a general election footing. Thats going to take adjustments from everybody, from the candidate first and foremost and from everyone in his orbit. Theyre going to have to adjust to the new world of a general election world. Is different. I think he has begun to do it. Hes not totally there yet, and im hoping what were going to see thursday night is the more complete pivot into a general election mode. Does he need to expand his Campaign Operation just beyond family members and Paul Manafort . Well, sure. Of course. That would be a yes. Will he do it . Will he do it . I believe so. You know more than anything else, what motivates donald trump is winning. More than anything else, what motivates him is wanting to be a winner and not wanting to be a loser. We heard governor christie make the case that this is a binary choice, which is to say this is the nominee we have, hes not Hillary Clinton, so vote for donald trump. Its one that hasnt convinced john kasich or jeb bush, for example. I know you havent been a huge fan of donald trump from the getgo, but is that where the party is right now, hes better than hillary . Absolutely. This question of the Supreme Court and conservative justices, thats really what people are stressing as the reason to vote for trump. Look aside everything you might have problems with and stomach it, go forward, this is the best we can do. So youve come around. Oerks i havent come around. Gary johnson. Are you team johnson . I like gary johnson. I think people should Pay Attention. Hes a serious candidate and people should pay more attention. Hopefully hell make 15 and well have someone on the debate stage that is a proven and effective leader. You can see our entire interview with governor christie on our website, joe. Msnbc. Com. Morning joe will be right back in cleveland. Proud of you, son. Ge a manufacturer. Well thats why i dug this out for you. Its your grandpappys hammer and he would have wanted you to have it. It meant a lot to him. Yes, ge makes powerful machines. But ill be writing the code that will allow those machines to share information with each other. 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I learned donald trump junior, Tiffany Trump, the children helped turn the campaign a little from the Melania Trump debacle the night before. That continues today with eric trump and ivanka. What did you learn . I learned ted cruz gets to speak at the Convention Even though he hasnt endorsed donald trump. And theyre not reviewing the speech at all. I think they might be reviewing it. Hopefully they review it better than melanias. What have you learned . I learned melania was upset she wasnt brought in on the pence selection from Mark Halperins great reporting. What have you learned, mike . I got a sneak peek. I learned pence will try to compare the democrats and republicans, philadelphia and cleveland. He starts it with this is the best of times and the worst of times. I like it. A classic. I love it. What did you learn, joe . I learned that this campaign has to figure out how to become a Real Campaign. They get through phase one well with the primary, phase two getting the nomination. Now theyve got to gear up and figure out a way to win in the fall and right now a lots of skepticism. Getting to be that time, isnt it sf. It is getting to be that time. If its too early what time is it . Its morning joe. Well see you back here tomorrow at flannerys in cleveland for the fourhour tour. Good day once again from cleveland for day three of the republican National Convention. Donald trump and mike pence are now the republican ticket for this falls general election. But its their democratic opponent thats in the spotlight here. Four years of Hillary Clinton will bring all the failures of the obama years but with less charm and more lies. Hillary has changed her positions so many times, its impossible to tell where the conviction ends and the ambition begins