Works better or feels better. Clinically proven helioplex® ovides unbeatable uva uvb protection to help prevent early skin aging and skin cancer all with a clean light feel. For unbeatable protection. Its the one. The best for your skin. Ultra sheer®. Neutrogena®. See whats possible. Excuse me, bartender, do you mind if i just have one more drink with my old, very old, kind of dangerously old friend, bernie. Sure, mrs. Clinton. What should i get for you two . Ill have a beer. A new brand people are flocking to. Something refreshing and revolutionary. Something that draws huge crowds. And ill have whatever beer no one likes but gets the job done. Oh, bernie, you should be proud, you know . You ran a damned good campaign. Im running a good campaign. But dont worry, i promise, im going to have a very special role for you in my administration. How would you like to be wait for it the senator from vermont . Oh, hillary, ill miss that lack of charm. And good morning. And he wouldnt leave the bar. Like, last call. He said he wont leave the bar. Hes that guy. He is that guy. Good morning. Your alarms going off. Its monday. A sports alert awfully early. May 23rd. With us on set, managing editor of Bloomberg Politics
and with all due respect that airs at 6 00 on msnbc. Mark, how are you doing . Very good. Thank you for asking. Like america, im in a dead heat. And then jon meacham. I think an apology might be an order. Do you think . I think so. The entire b block will be an apology. I owe him one. I think america is waiting. It might be me. It just might be. Ill let you do it. You always brings up shades rebellion and we make fun of you nonstop. Because its so boring. And this weekend, i had no choice, when i was writing an oped in the Washington Post, alexanders warning to 2016 voters. And ill be damned if it didnt all turn on shays rebellion. Historys not boring, its important. Its vindication. I think you should lead the apology. Theres a lot of value in the
history that you bring to the table. Its just sometimes you weave it in we dont need it. Its just, you know, get to the point. Also with us, msnbc political analyst and professor at the university of Michigan School of Public Policy, former democratic congressman, harold never have that problem with me weaving in important no, no, no. Thats your strength. The postrevolution fervor was broken by fever was broken by i could read this dramatically. So a lot going on. Lets just say one thing off the top, though. I thought we just did. Donald trump, people said that donald trump couldnt win the nomination and then they said, he couldnt grow. Said he couldnt rise above, like twitter wars, right . Mmhmm. And i think he proved everybody wrong this weekend. He delivered what i think is akin to the second gettysburg address i mean, lincolns second inaugural. I see, this is sarcasm. Cnn is so negative, getting even worse as i get closer. Just had two antitrump losers with zero rebuttal from my team. Turning off Mark Halperin, i would have laughed two months ago. Has anybody notified this guy hes about to lock down the nomination and going into a general election mode why is he doing these mindless twitter feuds on saturday afternoon . Why wont let you let trump be trump, joe . Because that trump loses in a general election. Ive said it. Maybe im dead wrong. What works in a republican primary and gains votes in a republican primary often loses votes in the general election. And sort of this, this battling. Who wants a president thats going to be entering tweet wars with everybody, repeatedly . Like, the Washington Post on friday wrote some column saying, oh, the morning joe trump feud
is over. Im like, theres a feud . Hes just like shooting allaround, nonstop. Tell me. Are there people around him and in washington that are concerned that he continues to engage in twitter wars . No, i mean, look, going after the press has served him well, so, i agree with you that there are some things that probably hes done that wont help him. But going after the press has served him well. It has. You think its okay for him going into you think americans will want to elect a president who is engaging in twitter wars on a saturday afternoon . The two polls over the weekend suggest that this is going to be an election about who the country doesnt want. Right. And so so jon meacham, if, perhaps, you released a policy position and started showing consistency on your policy positions, instead of trading them out like we used to trade
baseball cards, wouldnt that be a better way to spend a saturday afternoon . Well, i mean, i think that a lot of maybe im dead wrong here. I think youre right, that its a its not what you would think of as a conventional president ial temperament, but everything about the last ten months suggests that conventional president ial temperament may not work well, as you say, at least, in the primary. As mark says, 29 of a favorable review of him in one of the polls over the weekend, with 35 for hillary, Something Like that. So thats a bright flashing light for him. A lot of times im sorry, the question is, the muchvaunted pivot. When does that happen . I havent seen it. And i think thats the problem. I mean, harold ford, festering resentments play very well in primaries, especially on the right and on the left. But when you get to the general election, this is like politics 101, at some point you have to be seen as growing and at least moderating temperamentally, dont you . You do. But he wont stop doing this until hes punished in the polls. And if the weekend polling, this snapshot is to be believed, it hasnt begun to affect him in a punishing way. So i would join with john and halperin arent that far apart, but this is unconventional, hes an unconventional candidate, people didnt think he would be there, so if youre him, you continue to do this until youre hit. And if youre mrs. Clinton, you say, we can tempt this guy. We can bring him to a point where we can demonstrate to the country forcefully and convincingly that he does not have the temperament to be president. But until hes punished, hell continue to do this. And saturday tweets will be overrun by a selection of his running mate and the convention and the debates. Does he keep tweeting after that . I dont think it matters. If he gets those things right, i
think the dog whistles are targeted for audiences. And theyre really excited about Newt Gingrich . Do you think thats a great selection . I still do not believe thats going to happen. Lets actually look at the numbers. Maybe he knows what hes doing. With 5 1 2 months to go before the president ial election, new polls the this weekend show the race is neck and neck with donald trump narrowing Hillary Clintons national lead. The new nbc wall street journal poll shows clintons 11point lead in april is now just 3 points, 46 to 43 , within the margin of error, this as the Washington Post abc poll puts trump slightly ahead of clinton with the race effectively tied, 4644 , an 11point shift in trumps favor. Plus, the cbs news ugov. Poll shows clinton and trump in a dead heat in critical mustwin states. In florida, 43 for clinton and 42 . And in ohio, clinton has a
fivepoint lead. My campaign is not going to let donald trump try to normalize himself in this period. If we dont respond to donald trump, which i am doing, as you have seen. I said he is unqualified to be president. I believe that deeply, im going to keep focused on donald trump, because i will be the nominee. I will be running against donald trump in the fall. And i do not want americans and, you know, goodthinking republicans, as well as democrats and independents, to start to believe that this is a normal candidacy. It isnt. Meanwhile, donald trump and Hillary Clinton are already making history, as the nbc wall street journal polls most unpopular likely president ial nominees ever. Only 34 of registered voters have a positive opinion of clinton. 54 have a negative opinion. A new rating of minus 20 points. Trump is down even lower. 29 percent have a positive opinion on him and 58 have a negative rating and that. Jon meacham, those are mindboggling numbers in may. And Hillary Clinton is going to spend and donald trump has said hes going to spend the rest of the campaign attacking Hillary Clinton and bill clinton and suggesting that Hillary Clinton sat by idly or enable d. These numbers will not go lower. This is not a shining city on a Hill Campaign. Even by our very low standards of president for politics. To me, the most interesting
thing over the weekend was senator clinton using the word normalized. Thats coming out of a lot of strategic sessions where theyve learned, i think, the lesson, it was 04, when the Bush Campaign did so well at attacking john kerry and the independent expenditure groups did. So theres no phony war here, no pause, its just going to go, go, go. And the battle really is here. Does trump keep doing what hes done . Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. In his view, doing the same thing over and over again may achieve the same result. And insanity for him would not be doing the same thing over and over again. Because everybody said, this doesnt make sense in the future. Hes ignored them, hes done it, hes prevailed, looking pretty great in a lot of these polls, but what do those negatives show you, Mark Halperin . Three things. One is that its going to be possible for one of these candidates to win, being very unliked by the country. Statistically. And being unable to govern for four years. Thats going to be very tough to do. Second, theres room for another candidate to get into this race. And the last thing is, the clinton people, she doesnt want to be normalized. Trump says, he cant possibly win because hes so unpopular. Shes unpopular, too. Thats unbelievable. There are very few democrats left around Hillary Clinton who say he cant win. They still think shell win, but there are very few who say its an impossibility. And thats why shes going for this thing, dont normalize it. It would be much better for her if they said, as flawed as she is, trump is unimaginable as president. This paves the way for the next number from the polls. About half of voters would consider a third party in the president ial election. 47 tell the nbc wall street journal poll they would be open to voting for a third option
this november. While a majority, 51 say they want a Third Party Candidate to run. According to the Washington Post abc poll. That is and that goes to what you were saying, your second point, which was, when you have people this unpopular, it paves the way. We hear bob gates and everyone else say, its just too late. It would be too late it wouldnt be too late if the right person existed. Thats the key. A human being who was popular with the country and who had an issue of positions that kind of split the difference between the two, would have a good chance to be a factor in the race and get on the debate stage. But that person, so far, doesnt exist. Jon meacham, youve been talking for years about a 150year duopoly thats going to be broken up. This would be the ideal year, it seems, with these two candidates, to break that duopoly. Yeah. Parties die or change significantly when they cant get majority consensus on the key issue of the day, right . So the wigs fall apart in the
1850s, the 1960s, the parties flip on civil rights. Today, it seems to me theres not majority consensus really in either party, given sanders continued success, about globalization and its implications. Yeah. So if you look at it from sort of a high view, then, yeah, there should be a shift here. This is also, sure as heck feels like a year to me, like 68, like 92, where it feels like theres going to be a minority president out of this, somehow. The idea that one of these folks is going to get above 50 will be very unlikely. You point out in your column the differences with 68. Yeah, this is so radical. This is such a radical year, 68, we think about 68 as sort of a revolutionary year. Whats, i guess whats so shocking is, harold, in 1968, the revolution was out in the streets. The Party Structures were still in tact, and in fact, two of the
most establishment figures imaginable, Hubert Humphrey and richard nixon, won their partys nominations. This year, the revolution is not out in the street. Its inside its left the street. Its now inside the parties. Its donald trump. Donald trump is the disrupter whos going to win the republican nomination. And on the democratic side, Bernie Sanders is the disrupter, and that revolution is happening inside the Democratic Party right now. I mean, these parties dont know that theyre breaking apart, but the revolution has come inside. Look, both the parties can have, theres enough accountability and blame in each party to explain why this has happened. Republicans the last 20 years pushing messages around, trade and messages around the tea party and government, and it got a group of people who want a certain amount of change. Democrats pushed a message against business and about against banks and Bernie Sanders in a lot of ways represents that. And theres no doubt trade and globalization have had the
impact they had. I dont know, though, to marks point, which i think is probably the right answer, i dont know if theres a right person. You may have regional people. Tom brady could run in the northeast or new england. Peyton manning could run out in the rocky mountains. But do you have one person who can unite and be that vessel that could be the third party . Im not convinced that there is, as much as i may find it appealing and some others may want to be supportive of it. I think over time, these numbers will change. And in addition, i dont think well find another time when the nominees of the respective parties will emerge from their Party Primary process more popular than they are unpopular. Largely because we focus on this thing for so long. Furthermore, everybodys imperfect, and you can find something that someone has said or voted on that puts them out of the mainstream or puts them out of the mainstream with the mainstream feeling in that particular party. I think these numbers will come up a bit. And i dont think theres any doubt, mrs. Clinton recognizes that the way to go after trump is to make him look so outside of the ordinary that she looks
ordinary. Neither one of these candidates are going to win. And they know this. And their political strategists are telling them, youre not going to win. You have to make the other person lose. Okay, but theres still Bernie Sanders. And we have to cover what happened in california over the weekend. So coming up on morning joe, if it wasnt already clear, Bernie Sanders making it very obvious that hes not happy with the chair of the dnc. Also ahead, president obamas 2012 Campaign Manager, jim messina, the Washington Posts robert costa, and journalist Soledad Obrien with a new project about the struggle for so Many American veterans when the war comes home. And a live update from cairo on the search for what or who brought down that passenger jet late last week. But first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. You guys ready for some summer heat . Were still waiting. I know, its coming. This upcoming week will get much warmer. A big pattern flip for areas of the east. Were still watching the tornado
threat. Just the light threatening weather we dealt with yesterday and more out there today. Lets take you into texas. Thats a pretty good decentsized tornado in the background there. We had other tornadoes, too. Another one as far north as south dakota we also watched. Storm chasers had good visibility on these storms yesterday. In rural areas of the west, over farmers fields, nice and safe and thats where we wanted to keep them. You can see, its black like that, because thats the soil its picking up from the ground. Lets take you into this morning, worst weather in the country, north texas, the dallasft. Worth area. If youre headed up 35 around sherman, thats where we have some thunderstorms, thats it. The only bad weather. Virginia, more rain for you this morning. What a miserable may. Straight from early spring to summer heat this week in the midatlantic. About time. So todays risk, 14 Million People at risk. Minneapolis all the way down through areas of kansas, nebraska, oklahoma, and texas. Well see a few tornadoes again today. Theyll be mostly in rural areas of western texas. Hopefully theyll miss and not hit any of those small towns. And tomorrow, 13 million more
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hes had a single negative ad ever run against him. And thats fine. But we know what were going into and we understand what its going to take to win in the fall. And finally, i would say that, you know, polls this far out mean nothing. They certainly mean nothing to me. And i think if people go back and look, they really mean nothing in terms of analyzing whats going to happen in the fall. Meanwhile, a new nbc news wall street journal poll shows in a hypothetical matchup, Bernie Sanders leads donald trump by 15 points. 54 to 39 . Wow meacham, you look completely surprised. Yeah. But bernie outperforms hillary in about every single poll. It shows not that that matters, in the end. Kasich outperformed trump in every general election poll. I dont know. Sh shays rebellion moment. Where you have henry
wallace,strom thurmondthurmond. I think it was a wild here. These numbers now in may suggest this tremendous unrest and unhappiness in the country. And so, we were just chatting. The idea that this will be in any way a conventional campaign, and that the conventional rules of the campaign so do you think a Third Party Candidate still jumps in . I think that bloomberg was the one Mike Bloomberg was the one guy who had the means and the intellectual disposition to do it. I think the mayors made it very clear that he doesnt want to spend 1 billion to change the conversation. Right. Billionaires dont become billionaires by spending 1 billion. And so, its hard for me to imagine who the other person is. Right. But i think a third party would certainly be in the 15 to 20point range pretty quickly. Her twofront war now is really a problem. A few weeks ago, people were
discounting and saying she could pivot. Hes going to california and beyond. And the degree to which she now you saw in that interview, she really wants to stamp him out, but shes not able to. And he is clearly agitated, sanders is. Clearly agitated. All right, so speaking of, sanders spent the weekend campaigning around Southern California, where he argued hes the best candidate to take on trump in the fall. I say to every democrat in this country, and those delegates who are going to the convention in philadelphia, if you want the strongest candidate to make sure that trump does not become president , we are that campaign. Another crowd of 7,000 people. 7,000 or so. Relations have been tense between Bernie Sanders and the dnc. Over the weekend, sanders announced his support for tim canova, the primary challenger of dnc chair and primary
challenger of Debbie Wasserman schultz. In florida, are you with Wasserman Schultz or are you with her opponent . Well, clearly, i favor her opponent. His views are much closer to me than is Wasserman Schultzs. And with all due respect to the current chairman, if elected president , she would not be reappointed to be chair of the dnc. That wasnt a reach, was it, harold . Nobody was shocked when he said that. No, but thats antagonistic, though, to jump in supporting her opponent. Thats not just, you know, having a position and fundraising, as well. Antagonistic move to prove a point. Two things first. Mrs. Clinton was right in her interview about him not being vetted. I think theres a lot to be said for that. And as much as mr. Sanders has raised all these important issues, i think that point is right. With regard to chairwoman Wasserman Schultz, i think shes bungled this from the outset. I said on the show, there should have been more debates. She has every right to declare her support for mrs. Clinton, but as Party Chairman, you have a set of responsibilities. And a strong case can be made that theres no reason to have antagonized Sanders Campaign. I think a lot of this could have been resolved earlier on. But its not resolved, because they dont feel like shes even getting closer to where he stands on some of these issues and these no, were talking about two different things. Im talking about the relationship between the dnc and mr. Sanders. With regard to what youre saying, mr. Sanders is now his opponent is now or less delegates away from securing the nomination, so he didnt win. Theres a venerable position in politics when you dont win the party, that you sit and talk. And party has a big responsibility in trying to reconcile that. In 88 when Jesse Jackson was running, a late ron brown came to help and negotiate and reconcile some of the
differences between the two candidates. Why dont they do that . I dont think the party has done their part here. Why . Whats wrong . Theres an ancient historical test about you can tell how much party a primary is in internally by house house parties they get involved. In 1978, Ronald Reagan endorsed george w. Bushs primary opponent in the midland congressional race, how the right was right to take out the old man. And the fact that sanders is getting involved in a house primary, suggests two things. One is the deep ideological because bush was the Party Chairman. No, but he was about to run against reagan for president. And who, youve got the sense that sanders, at some level, i think people want sanders to be this Upton Sinclair figure, sort of above politics. Hes getting involved in a house primary in florida, so hes pushing. He wants to go to the convention now. And at the convention, there will be corporate interests that the clintons are going to be going to their events and
hobnobbing, business as usual. He does not want the convention to be business as usual. And hes got the leverage now to do that. Its a much bigger problem than i thought it would be. In these polls, hes not consolidating democrats. Is that why trumps doing so well . Because the democrats havent come home yet . And independents. Hes doing better with independents. Do we expect if bernie does turn around and start supporting hillary, for those democrats to come home and line up behind hillary. Are they going to be wandering in the wilderness, looking for another candidate. I think in the end, he will want to stop donald trump. He said that. And will bring some people around. But it gives her a smaller margin of error now between now and july. All right. Coming up, were going to dig into joes new Washington Post piece for the mustread opinion pages and jon meacham is awaiting his royalties check. Keep it right here on morning joe. Jake reese, day to feel alive jake reese, day to feel alive jake reese, day to feel alive
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foreign correspondent, ayman mohyeldin. Ayman, whats the latest on the search for the flight data recorders . Reporter as you mentioned, the Egyptian Government is deployi ining more resources. Among those that have joined the search for the flight data recorder and cockpit voice recorder is an egyptian submarine that belongs to the ministry of petroleum here, ministry of oil. They say that it can survey the sea bottom, with the hopes of trying to identify where that wreckage site might be. The announcement came in president al sisis first public announcements. Nonetheless, the Egyptian Military releasing the first images of debris that it has recovered at sea. And its very visible, that some of the things theyve recovered a have the logo of egyptair on it. Its a very definitive sign by the military that they have, in fact, at least identified some of that wreckage. But for a lot of the family members, the hope of waiting to find answers have shifted to mourning. Over the weekend, weve seen a lot of Memorial Services and learning a little bit more about some of these passengers, including the heartbreaking story of this young couple. She was diagnosed with cancer. They had traveled to france to try to find a cure or treatment for her. And upon their return, as they were scheduled to return, that flight crashed. It was a heartbreaking story. They have left three children behind that are now going to be taken care of by other relatives. Were expecting more Memorial Services to be held today, including an official one that is being held by egyptair for its pilots and flight attendants. Ayman mohyeldin, thank you very much. And still ahead, you might have to go back to 87 to see such populist rays threatening the establishment political region. 1787, that is. Joe turns back the clock in his
latest column. And actually, joe doesnt make it boring. Its just a good monday morning. Okay. Its a victory for the founding fathers. Also we have a historian and a frock coat he can wear. Were also going to be reading Maureen Dowds latest column, the Clinton Campaign and the death march. Mustread opinion pages, next. Fallujah argonne khe sanh midway dak to normandy medina ridge the chosin reservoir these are places history will never forget but more important are the faces we will always remember. But more important are the faces we will always remember. Wearing powerful sunscreen . Yes neutrogena® ultra sheer. No other sunscreen works better or feels better. Clinically proven helioplex® provides unbeatable uva uvb protection to help prevent early skin aging and skin cancer all with a clean light feel. For unbeatable protection. Its the one. The best for your skin. Ultra sheer®. Neutrogena®. See whats possible. Hoplen fast. It . Its not how fast you mow, its how well you mow fast. Its not how fast you mow, its how well you mow fast. Even if it doesnt catch on, doesnt mean its not true. The John Deere Ztrak z535m. Its how well you mow fast. When shoppers add an item to their jet carts, they automatically shrink the prices of millions of other products. Very impressive. Whoo, its got a little kick to it. Sorry, i cant hear you . . Nice shirt craig. At jet. Com, we always find innovative ways to save. Get 15 percent off your first order. All right. Its time for the mustread opinion pages. Yours is so good. So what are we reading right here, meacham . Were reading the New York Times, which shows a piece about a madmen prop auction. And you can get a global hes yeah. A global drinks caddie. Thats a little close, but okay. You can get petes drink caddie, which we can would fit in with the global brand. I think well put them in right over here. Ill go further back in history and read from the
Washington Post, entitled Alexander Hamiltons warning to voters. Believe it or not, sheas rebellion is in this piece. But the concept of it is this. Conservative thought leaders who have always identified themselves as the intellectual descen descendants of Thomas Jefferson and James Madison need to reread hamiltons contributions to the federalist papers. Like todays established elites who fear donald trump and Bernie Sanders, hamilton believed populism unchecked was a path to anarchy. In 2016, the two parties that have dominated u. S. Politics for 150 years have been commandeered by pirates from outside the establishment. Too often, the captains navigating those ships have found their passengers cheering for those same pirates. Hamilton, madison, and washington regained control of their ship of state. Todays leaders seem less capable of controlling the mutiny rising in their midsts. Ron chernow wrote, men of property would be held hostage by armies of the indebted and the unemployed. And talking about the populism that the state legislatures, state by state by state, were engaging in. And, which led to shays rebellion and George Washingtons response, good god, which was a wakeup call when after shays rebellion, washington finally said, okay, we will have to have a constitution that unites these states. Well, washington was again, all politics is personal. Washington was very reluctant to go to the convention in philadelphia, because he didnt want to invest his personal prestige in a project might fail. And shays rebellion, various work by madison, convinced washington to come. And washingtons arrival there leading the Convention Really did it. The great fear was democracy. The great fear was the kind of rough and tumble democratic
politics that we know now. What they put in place was a republican, lower case r, structure, that tried to control the battle of interests in a peaceable way. And its the oldest functioning democracy in the world, and were testing it as much as we can, at this point. But the wisdom of those guys and the practical political impulses of those folks makes them far more relevant and resonant to us. Theyre not some distant statutes. These are men who were working politics. And you go back and read the federalist papers or whether you read, you know, ron chernows book on alexander hamilton, whats remarkable, mark, is that there were warnings. It sounds like they were talking about donald trump and Bernie Sanders. Again, todays establishment could look at the words of washington, hammilton and jefferson or not jefferson so much, and madison. And it lines up with what a lot of the fears are today with the establishment. Look, the system that was
conceived was supposed to keep any individual powerful interests from dominating by diffusing power. What the sanders and Trump Supporters both believe is that powerful money and special interests now dominate our politics and the politicians just do what they want them to do. And that is where the threat is coming from more than anything else. And both parties really miss they underestimated the feeling within the populous. Look at Maureen Dowds youre saying, you think . Weekend at bernies in the New York Times. It must be hard for Hillary Clinton to look at all the pictures of young women swooning over bernie, as though he were bieber. She assumed that the fix was in. That she and the dnc had arranged from the coronation that she felt she was robbed of in the tulip craze of 2008, but bernie became the surprise ballot on his sides of the revolutionary ball. Now he has gotten a taste of it and he likes it and he wont let
go. He bedevilling the daylight out of hillary. Ive talked to several former clinton and Obama White House aides who dont enjoy checking in with the joyless Clinton Campaign in brooklyn. Its the baa tab death march, one says. Hillary cant generate excitement on her own, so shes relying on fear of trump to get her into the white house. And trump is relying on fear of everything to get him in the white house. So voters are stuck in the muck of the negative. What are you most afraid of . I have to say, i dont think Hillary Clinton thought, you know, this is a coronation, im going to get it. I dont. She doesnt seem like that kind of person, when you talk to her. But i do think the dnc assumed that the others would just go away and that they could just kind of get to work on hillary. And i know theyre supposed to be objective, but theyre not. They are not. You back a year and a half, everybody knew it was going to be Hillary Clinton versus jeb bush. Really . That was a widely accepted all the Party Structures the Party Structures thought that jeb was going to get it. The Democratic Party thought hillary was going to get it. All the money interests thought these two were going to get it. And it didnt work out that way. No, it clearly, at least on one side, it didnt work out that way. Look, these things happen, as john knows, and mark, because all of us know, every cycle, theres somebody that comes in and creates a kind of populist hysteria on both sides, on one side or the other. This time its happened on both sides, and it seems is to be sustaining itself, especially on the republican side. You have to give trump a lot of credit. He beat one heck of a republican field, with a very deep, experienced field of republicans he beat. Mrs. Clinton, on the other side, i think there have been some miscalculations along the way in what voters were expecting and wanting. And i dont think theres been a coherent, yet, economic message, because thats the number one thats the question i asked for the past and to sanders, i dont agree with his answers, but he has prescribed a problem pretty well. And excuse me, joe, i dont
think you can cast him off every year as one of these comealong. This is different. 7,000 people in california, harold. But dean had a lot of big problems. We forget these things very quickly. But not this but not this late into the process. Hillary had great crowds in 2008 and was winning did she have 11,000 people in an arena . Out of nowhere . But as ive said before, i would rather win with a lack of enthusiastic voters than lose with a warm of enthusiastic voters. So im not dismissing or belittling what hes accomplished. Im only saying, history shows that weve had moments like this in these primaries i dont know, i dont know that weve ever had a moment like Bernie Sanders, where you get a guy, little known, that is sustains a campaign, as long as he sustained a campaign, can raise a type of money. This guy has raised close to 180 million. And who is he . Bernie sanders, a vermont socialist, without taking wall street money, has outraised Hillary Clinton with no celebrity platform. And hes also raised 180 million. Average donation, 27 a piece. If you want to know what the revolution has been in 2016, it has not been donald trump. Donald trump is a oneoff. He is a celebrity who has been around for 40 years. Bernie sanders is the revolution that will forever change the way american politics is done. This is the revolution, friends, in 2016. This is the change. This is the break in time. His name is Bernie Sanders and he has proven, Mark Halperin, that you dont need a political party, you dont need a political structure. You know what you need . You need a website, you need the ability to collect money, 27 a pop. And you need a message that you believe in and that youve fought for your entire life. Build it, and they will come. But you also need a message youve talked about and believe in that resonates with millions
of americans. The reason i dont think its changed everything for everybody is that not everybody has that. Every politician would love to do, ted cruz would have loved to have raised Bernie Sanders money on the web. He did all right, but nothing like that. So would marco rubio and jeb bush. You need a message that really resonates. That really resonates, that cuts. And im telling you on this set over the past two years, or since Hillary Clintons candidacy was even a topic, i remember asking everybody who came on this set, what was her message . And what i got in return was word salad. And we can pull all the bites and play a montage. The opportunity was there. She has a great message. She is, i think shes a great candidate. I think shes the most prepared. Every time i asked the question to any Hillary Clinton supporter close to her or on the outside but heres the word salad. Heres the frustration. Remember jeb bush . You interviewed jeb bush and you said, i dont think ive ever talked to a republican that was
as well versed in policy as jeb bush. Prepared. It was amazing. He could not amazing. He could not boil it down to a stupid sound bite that could excite people. Go to Hillary Clintons website, and you will read policy position after policy position after policy position. Its not that she doesnt have an Economic Policy, its just that she doesnt boil it down and hasnt boiled it down to a stupid sound bite. She is policy driven. I promise you, you want to go to sleep tonight, i promise you, you want to go to sleep tonight, go to Hillary Clintons website and start reading policy positions. I do not criticize her for this. I salute her for this. She has thought it out. And guess what, its not an easy one. Its not like, you know, make America Great again think like a man. They dont say much, but they just say it strongly. This is the problem with jeb bush. Right now, the candidates, the candidates that cannot get
through Editorial Board meetings without embarrassing themselves are the ones drawing massive crowds. Right. Its just the reality. Its true. The only thing i would add is we say stupid sound bite, thats not actually true, right . Thats not what were asking. Ask what your country can do is not a stupid sound bite. The sermon on the mound had a lot of messages. Well make a upmontage of th questions aive asked. That was the genius of Ronald Reagan that would always frustrate the people that thought they were so much smarter than reagan. Reagan could take a complex issue and boil it down to a sound bite and sell it to america. And perhaps its a challenge for hillary. And the emphasis shes chosen in the campaign at times, at least up to this point, i think has been a little misplaced. I think the emphasis should be on the economic message as
opposed to, im a believer of what she says around guns, but that should not be the lead in this campaign. The lead should be what Bernie Sanders and donald trump well, not only that, what is worrying what is the source of the anxiety . Its economic insecurity. And she has the best set of ideas, to your point. And i think you may be right. You would probably fall asleep reading some of this stuff. But shes got to figure out, how do you synthesize and for me, she doesnt have the best set of ideas, but she is a thoughtthrough platform. It will work for you and millions of i didnt put that in your mouth. Im not saying she has the best set of economic plans, but its thought out. Shes serious, shes prepared. Best candidate. Best candidate. Right now that puts her in a distinct minority. Were back in just a moment. Its more than a network and the cloud. Its reliable uptime. And multilayered security. Its how you stay connected to each other and to your customers. With centurylink you get advanced technology solutions, including an industry leading broadband network, and cloud and hosting services all with dedicated, responsive support. With centurylink as your trusted technology partner, youre free to focus on growing your business. Centurylink. Your link to whats next. Real is wbr id wbr31832 touching a ray. Amazing is moving like one. Real is making new friends. Amazing is getting this close. Real is an animal rescue. Wbr id wbr32152 amazing is or twentyseven thousand of them. There is only one place where real and amazing live. Seaworld. Real. Amazing b
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be overcome, but i think it can cause some rethinking about the strategy right now. They are actually, they are thinking what jeb bushs team thought, like, are you kidding me . Are you kidding me . This guy . Weve done everything the way youre supposed to do it, weve done it right, worked hard, built an operation. Real work. This guy is acting like a clown, hes tweeting, hes insulting people left and right, and hes head of us in some polls. They are vertigo has set in over there, like it did with jeb. Its through the looking glass. And part of the issue here is also, once you get even, you know, you cant really make a lot of progress by telling half the electorate that theyre wrong, because people just dont like being told theyre wrong. Now, you can make the case, and shes started to make the case this weekend. That im better. Thats different. But basically, when they get to
the, trump is not a plausible president , then youre telling 34, 35, 44 of the people that theyre intellectually assenting to a proposition thats not plausible and that puts the voter back on the defensive. Its a very tough argument to make. Thats why i think shes saying, i think the word normalization is probably not the most felicitous one. But that argument that somehow or another, you have to get trump out of the mainstream, gets ever harder. Yeah, hes in the mainstream. Thats what theyre arguing. The functional argument from the clinton, hes not a normal candidate. Thats not going to work. They want to argue what the obama people argued last time, mathematically, as she said on that saturday night live sketch, she cant lose. Mathematically, the Electoral College and the demographics means that she cant lose. But this shows that its up for grabs. Now an nbc news wall street journal poll shows that margin h is only three points. And an 11point shift in trumps favor. Meanwhile, the cbs news you. Gov poll shows them in a dead heat. 43 for clinton, 42 for trump. And in ohio, clinton holds a fivepoint lead, 44 to trumps 39 . Ive got to tell you, you know how we always made these arguments, or especially i heard from people like you, that the primary is one thing, but when you get to the general, it will be different. I mean okay. Well, no hold on. Well . Do you want me to respond . Yes, what do you think . I think we need to wait. I think mitt romney was ahead of barack obama at several points in 2012. I think you also have you had john mccain ahead of barack obama in 2008. And i think right now, there is a civil war raging within the Democratic Party. Right. Lets wait and see. Im not saying that trump wont be close in all these states. Lets see what happens when the Democratic Civil war comes to an end and you have the kind of consolidation on the democratic side that you now are seeing on the republican side. And thats where i think we feel as if things will change here. I think the party has got to fix this. This is a snapshot in time. But Mark Halperin, it is a snapshot that is taken at a point where the republicans are getting behind a candidate that a lot of them dont like, but 88 are behind him, with Hillary Clinton. Were still in the middle of a civil war on democratic side. Where six out of ten democrats are behind hillary. When its eight out of ten democrats, nine out of ten democrats, which it will be, if
they figure out how to do it correctly, those numbers are going to look far different. Mark my word, put it down, today is may the 23rd, just mark it down. The math is still her friend. She can lose independents and win this raise as long as he turns the right people out and unifies the party. The problem, again, she is not, as she herself has said, she is not the political athlete that barack obama or her husband is, and shes got some complex tasks ahead of her, picking a running mate, launching that well, having a great convention, giving a great acceptance speech and giving great debates. If she statutes on those things, the math is with her again. I dont think its Hillary Clintons candidacy. Im concerned that its the party that has put the democrats in this position. Does anyone disagree . How could this be, at this point, right now . The party has mishandled it how could they not get Bernie Sanders to work with them. Because youve got a guy whos 74 years old. Hes not a democrat in the first place. Hes an independent socialist from vermont. Hes not been a part of the democratic establishment but hes not going to win, so hes not going to win, but hes not going to save himself for when hes 78 or 82. So this is bernies last ride. So its going to be a lot harder bringing this in for a landing, is it not . It also makes the general election entirely unpredictable. Consultants im talking to are looking at a whole new paradigm. They look at sanders supporters and see trumps populism on trade and immigration and other issues, and they wonder if the Democratic Party is divided in the coming months into the summer, could trump pluck some of those voters into the republican coalition. Are they worried about the unfavorables. A new poll are showing both candidates are the most unpopular likely president ial nominees ever. Only 34 registered voters
have a positive position of clinton. 54 have a negative opinion. A new rating of minus 20 points. Trump is down even lower. 29 percent have a positive opinion of him. 58 have a negative opinion. A net negative rating of 29 points. So you have there, bob, donald trump with a 29 positive rating, but his net is a negative 29. What are republican strategists and people inside the Trump Campaign tell you about that . Do they try to turn that around, or do they just try to bring Hillary Clinton lower . Its more of the latter. Theres a sense they can battle clinton in a relentless way. And talking to my democratic sources, there is a concern that trumps saturation of the air waves, his ability every day to go on twitter and change the National Political conversation and just be bombastic and relentless in a way that most clinton people were not prepared for in a general election, thats concerning to some democrats. Theres a sense that trump is not going to even try to repair
his image in many ways, in traditional ways. Its going to be an allout brawl, day in, day out. This all paves the way for these next numbers from the polls. About half of voters would consider a third party in the president ial election. 47 tell the nbc wall street journal poll, they would be open streeting for a third option this november, while a majority, 51 say they want a Third Party Candidate to run. According to the abc Washington Post poll. Isnt it too late . Is it too late for a Third Party Candidate . A fusian ticket of one democrat and one republican were popular, likable and wellfunded wouldnt be how . How . What could they do . Just in terms of the numbers and states . How could they get in at this late date . They announce and say that the two major party candidates, whichever one wins, couldnt get anything done in washington, announce a convincing Electoral College and fundraising strategy and be fun. Look like theyre having fun doing what theyre doing. Generally, the candidates that look like theyre having fun wins. But you know it takes so much more than just saying, im running for president. You would knee a fundraising plan and a valid access plan. And by the way its not happening. By the way, the process is rigged to a point that theyve even rigged the calendar. Where you get the Party Nominees at the point where by the time you get the nominees, the filing deadlines are coming up. So, again, the two parties have rigged it so you never have the independent choice that you would want. I mean, jon meacham, i want to follow up on what mark said. The biggest argument against these two candidates is, that when they both get to washington, d. C. , whoever wins, neither will be able to get anything done. Barack obama has a 50 approval rating. He cant get anything done. Donald trump wouldnt be able to get anything done with a
republican congress, that hes insulted. I mean, you can say nine things positive about donald trump. Say one negative thing about him and youre a dummy. From his standpoint. Yeah, from his standpoint. Hell call you a dummy and say, you know, cnn, theyve been kissing up to him for months and months and months and months. Theyve given him extraordinary access. They have a couple of people on that say negative things on a saturday afternoon and he says, cnn is so negative, getting even worse as i get closer. Too many trump losers with zero rebuttal from my team. Turning off after cnn i mean, seriously, after cnn has given him just incredible welcome unprecedented, extraordinary access some would argue and that guy right there on a saturday afternoon, attacks them because theres one panel that he doesnt like. That guy is not going to know how to work with congress anymore than barack obama knew how to work with congress. And then you have Hillary Clinton. Are the republicans going to do anything with Hillary Clinton . No. We can already say, these two candidates will be a nightmare if they get elected in their relations with congress. Well, politics is a manufacturing of consensus and there are no political there are very few political incentives right now for any lawmaker to vote outside the direct interest of their base. Whether its redistricting or the states. And i think that no matter what happens, trump or hillary, trump or clinton are going to be polarizing figures. Thats only going to exacerbate. Im not so sure. If you look at secretary clinton, shes not an ideologue. And with trump, you also dont have an ideologue. You have someone whos a dealmaker. In addition to that but at
least Hillary Clinton has a Public Policy record also, where shes worked across the aisle. And found common ground. Youve had republicans that served in the obama administration, and the Bush Administration that is true. And in the senate, theres a record with donald trump, donald trump has been a democrat a lot longer than hes been a republican. One could assume he can work with democrats. Schumer and ryan will be the top people and theyll be big dealmaker dealmakers. I believe the Voters Perception is that they are not people who can get things done. That they are too particularizing. The people dont have a sense they would go to washington with a lot of forward momentum. And the direct answer to your question, i think someone could run, but who would that person be . Because if the two people were strong enough, they might be able to force and create another unprecedented thing, which is people writing them in in states. I dont know if there are two individuals who can do that. Polls where people say they
want a Third Party Candidate is like answering, should you exercise more . Yeah, were all kind of but would they all agree on that thirdparty candidate . No. Totally agree with that. And romney got 22 in that Washington Post poll. And the third Party Chatter out there is not really in fa r favor, i would say, on the right for a business. The appetite is for a ben sasse or some other conservative to step in and protect what the conservative movement considers itself to be. Lets look at that romney poll again. This is a very interesting poll. Mitt romney 22 , hillary, 37 , trump, 35 . That seems to a lot of people have been saying, if theres a third Party Republican running, that that would hurt donald trump. No, it wouldnt. I think it takes from both people. I think this is just no. Its a total wild card. All the rules are out. I think if you had a
conservative, it would give republicans someone to go to. While democrats, depending on Hillary Clinton, who she picks as a running mate, i think they would be fine with Hillary Clinton. I think a lot of republicans are very uncomfortable with donald trump. And look at Ari Fleischer on our show on friday, who is a trump supporter, and could not give one reason why he supports trump, except that hes not Hillary Clinton. Ari fleischer, who worked in the this is a guy who understands policy, who helps message policy, who has clearly looked at the candidate. Could not tell me why he likes trump because he doesnt but he supports trump, because hes not hillary. Thats crazy you dig into a lot of these polls and i love Ari Fleischer, i just feel bad for him. You dig into a lot of these polls, 44 to 45 of the people who say theyre voting for trump are doing it as a vote against hillary and not a vote for trump, and you can say the same
thing on the democratic side, where about half of hillarys support also came from people who say, it wasnt a vote for hillary, it was a vote against trump. Right. I want to say, go back to this question about here are the trump voters. 44 say theyre doing it to support trump, 53 say theyre doing it to oppose clinton. And on the other side, it is 48 supporting clinton, 48 are saying that she would get their vote just to oppose trump. Ones the congressional question tor deal making, yes, senator clinton and trump are dealmakers, but youre going to have a Republican Caucus thats going to be trying to delegitimatize a president clinton, the same way they did 25 years ago, and there are going to be democrats who are never going to accept the idea that donald trump is president. And i think youre going to have a politics where consensus is incredibly difficult. All right. So, just on this final note, british Prime Minister david camer cameron, he said yesterday
were going to cover this meeting. Trump said he had been invited over to 10 downing street. Ive never actually been at 10 downing street. Ive peered through the gates and looked, wow, is that 10 downing street down there. So i want to go, because trump its in love, actually. And you saw him hugh grant dancing down i would kind of like to see those stairs. So, yesterday but, anyway, i think trump, maybe we can get on the plane. British Prime Minister David Cameron yesterday said he would be happy to meet president if he becomes the republican president ial candidate, but he still defended his criticism of trumps proposal for a temporary ban on muslims wait, do they not have a set date . I thought they had a set date . You were applauded by many people when you described Donald Trumps policy on or saying that you would not let muslims into america, you described that as stupid, but he may well end
up as president of the united states. Are you going to take steps to try and build bridges with him, mend fences . Im a great believer in the special relationship are you going to see him before the election . I dont know. Would you like to . American president ial candidates have made a habit of coming through europe and through the uk. And so if that happens, i would be very happy to. I dont withdrawal in any way what i said about the policy of not letting muslims into america. I do think that is wrong and divisive, as i said. That is 10 downing street divisive. 10 downing street replied to trumps assertion on our show friday that he had received an invitation. Thats why were going to go to that. But apparently, while hes staying theres a longstanding tradition of Prime Ministers meeting u. S. President ial candidate ifs they visit the uk, there is actually no formal invitation and nothing on the calendar. But he said he got an invitation. I want to go robert costa, thank you wait. Wait. Still ahead on morning joe. Are you saying he didnt get an invitation . It appears there is a mincing. But a special misunderstanding. But he said he got an invitation. Maybe he did, i dont know. Theyre conflicting on this. You mean im going to have to look through the gate again . Hello, lad i want to go you were not invited at all. We are separated by a common language. Dont worry. You received no invitation. Msnbcs Steve Kornacki joins the table. Oh, hes good. I bet he got invited. Hell come in here and just start screaming. Thats what he does every time. Im going to talk about by the way, i got an invitation to the taj mahal. No, you didnt. The man who led president obamas reelection victory, his 2012 Campaign Manager, jim messina, and his thoughts on the president ial race. Nobody wants you there. Shays rebellion. The invitation, right there. Its more than a network and the cloud. Its reliable uptime. And multilayered security. Its how you stay connected to each other and to your customers. With centurylink you get advanced technology solutions, including an industry leading broadband network, and cloud and hosting services all with dedicated, responsive support. Wyoure free to focus on trustgrowing your business. Centurylink. Your link to whats next. All right. Weve got some more numbers from the nbc poll. Hold on. Do you want your camera . Come here. That is quite a camera. How you guys doing . Its good to see you back. The camera the size of a buick. Don drapers old buick. Everyone listen to me, please. Hillary clintons biggest advantages come from nonwhite voters with a 79point lead among africanamericans and with a 48point lead with latinos, with women, clinton has a 13point lead. And a 23point lead with young voters. Donald trumps edge comes among white voters who leads clinton by 16 points. A 9point lead among men. And a 5point edge with independent voters. Can we go back to the with trumps numbers hold on one second. So latinos, 6820. Obviously, mitt romney had 27 back according to exit polls, in 2012. Thats the reason they thought he lost the election. How is trump sitting at 20 and tied in a lot of these polls . Well, whats interesting
Steve Kornacki. If you look at all those numbers you just showed, both of those screens, it is similar how striking that is to obama romney 2012. If you extrapolated it a little bit, youre basically where romney was. Its a 16point margin there. Independents, thats basically where romney was. Men, thats basically where romney was. Hes a little bit off, a little bit off when it comes to latino voters, but overall, for all the talk that donald trump, of the nevertrump crowd on the republican side, saying, my god, we might as well not have the election if this guy is the nominee, i think his starting point is mitt romneys finishing point. Pretty incredible. With trumps numbers with hispanics the backdrop of this next story, donald trump did not attend this weeks National Hispanic christian leadership conference, sending a video instead. And heres how it played in the room. So great to be with the National Hispanic christian leadership conference. Were going to do a lot of things if i get elected
president. Were going to strengthen our borders. People are going to come into our country, but theyre going to come into a process. Were going to stop the drugs. National hispanic christian. Three great words. Were going to take care of you, were going to work with you. Youll be very happy. Youre going to like president trump. [ laughter ] lets pray. I guarantee it, Mark Halperin . You know, steve laid it out perfectly, which is, if you look at where trump is now in that poll, the nbc wall street journal poll, hes got a base line. The question is, is he going to move up or down . And trump has just begun to fight. On the other hand, the clinton folks have superior infrastructure, more money right now, a better general election plan. These National Polls dont tell you where he is in the general election. But, i continue to believe that trump is going to make a play for male hispanics, male africanamericans in a way that
might get him close enough to romneys numbers, and he will do better with men and with white voters than mitt romney did. And probably older voters. Yeah, yeah. And with working class voters. So hes got some areas where he could move up, compared to romney, as long as he moves up a little bit with Hillary Clintons coalition, theres the match there. But the clinton people are counting on this being not trumps starting point from which hell move up, but a point from which hell move down, because theyll try to destroy him with these other groups. Steve, im with you. I look at these numbers. He is start wrg mitt romney ended. If you listen to press coverage over the past nine months, you would think donald trump would be well below where mitt romney ended with hispanics in 2012. So if i were in Trumps Campaign organization right now, i wouldnt be discouraged. I would say, we have room to grow. And you can take any of those groups and lay out a targeted strategy, if you drive up one or two of those groups, you can erase your threepoint gap. At the end of the 2012 campaign, one of the reasons that the conventional wisdom after 2012 is that republicans are doomed electorally in the future unless they do immigration reform, unless they radically increase their support among latinos, nobody thought a republican could do better among white voters than mitt romney did in 2012. And the context of that election. 59 . I dont think thats an automatic assumption. No. If donald trump bumps that up to 61 to 62 , and white voters are still making up more than 3 4 of the electorate, thats a significant jump. I dont think we can sit here in may and say, hes not going to do that. Put the trump groups back up, guys. That includes white voters. All right. So, hes at 52 now. I think that can go up. Joe, you said seniors. I think seniors can go up. Men, i think that number can go
up. Independent independents probably can go up. But hes at 52 with whites, 42 with men. Yes, i think all three of those numbers can and likely will go up. And this is why the Bernie Sanders challenge is such a problem the Democratic Convention might look like a socialist festival. Its going to hurt her, in theory, with white voters, with male voters, and older voters. Steve kornacki, stay with us, if you can. You still havent let that rage out, so we want to once a day. Like ownerm eoesh owner with an. Coming up, my opponent, secretary clinton, thinks 12 bucks an hour is enough. No way no way Bernie Sanders claims Hillary Clinton was late for the fight for 15, but its clinton who
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talking earlier about that normalized comment, that she made. She doesnt want donald trump to become a normal type of candidate. Somebody that seems acceptable. I think thats a real window into the clintons strategy here. And aides ive talked to underscore that. And thats part of why Bernie Sanders staying in this race is such a challenge for them. A poll that puts them so close together makes donald trump seem like a normal candidate, compared to Hillary Clinton. And the clinton officials ive talked to over the course of the past 24 hours, they acknowledge that they think theyre going to grow some after this primary is over. And that really does admit to a certain extent that Bernie Sanders staying in is really damaging her. And i think this has developed into a problem, and you were talking about this a little bit earlier, too, in some ways, its unexpected that it has dragged out this long. And having covered Bernie Sanders, its pretty closely, its clear to me this is stemming directly from his
feelings of anger and frustration you saw, where he talked about Debbie Wasserman schultz over the weekend. I think one thing republicans taught us, there were all of these guys that wouldnt put their greater ambitions to rest for the greater good. Republicans ended up with trump. Its possible that could happen as well here. Kasie hunt, appreciate it. Lets bring in the Campaign Manager for president obamas former reelection campaign, jeff messina. So many questions we want to ask you. I want to start by comparing whats happening right now in the democratic fight in 2016 to what happened in 2008. Do you draw parallels between Hillary Clinton honging on through the convention to Bernie Sanders doing the same thing now, or do you think its a bit more intense in 2016 . I think its pretty parallel. I think the question isnt whats going to happen now, its going to be, whats going to happen the day after the primary. People forget that clinton flew to new hampshire, endorsed obama, and started campaigning
for him very quickly. The question is how quickly bernie will do that. And i think primaries are always difficult and everyone always freaks out, but this is going to be okay. Do you see bernie doing that . I do. I think its the right thing to do for the party and i think his supporters will look at donald trump and say, theres no way well allow this guy to become president of the united states. I found it interesting while republicans, two, three months back were heaping scorn on donald trump, it seems that most of the people that ran Barack Obamas campaigns in 2008, whether it was David Plouffe or David Axelrod or others, they werent heaping scorn on Donald Trumps abilities. They were all saying, be concerned, be very concerned. This guy is unorthodox. Do you share your former colleagues, not fear, but concern about Donald Trumps ability to shape shift and possibly win the election . I think every president ial election in america is always
close and this is always going to be close. Donald trump is the single boast social media campaigner in the history of politics. Thats true and this thing will be a difficult struggle. That said, i think trump has historic challenges to make it really difficult for him. But this is going to be a close election. Its the united states. Its going to be close. Jim, what about Bernie Sanders . Do you think, is it possible that the party could have done better in sort of helping a coalescing around Hillary Clinton happening some time before now . No, look, this thing was always going to go a very long time. Three or four months ago, people said, whens he going to get out hes going to go all the way, past the last primary, exactly as Hillary Clinton did in 2008. I think the party did, you know, what the party had to do. People are very focused going into the general election. The single most persuasive and
motiving thing right now is beating donald trump. And youre going to see democrats come behind that. And youll have a united Democratic Party in a way that republicans well, Hillary Clinton says that he should she expects him to coalesce and get behind him, and that in the past, she did this. Thats right. Thats exactly right. And it seems like he keeps going and getting these huge crowds that are really showing a schism within the party. Can party, can the dnc do something to maybe make this more of a cohesive effort . No, look, i think, you know, bernies movement has been outside the party, outside the dnc. I dont think theres anything the dnc can do. Bernie sanders has to do this. And he needs to, after the last primary, do what hillary did in 08. Wrap his arms around hillary and say, were off to the general election. And i think hell do that. Jon meacham . Jim, to what extent do you think this campaign is going to be about the personality of the two nominees or the future
itself . You know, bill clinton has always said that the elections about the future, not the past. In your experience, are these two personalities now so dominant that its about them or can they make a coherent case about what theyre going to do for the country . John, its a great question. Every ten days or two weeks during the 2012 campaign, mostly in the middle of the night, bill clinton would call me and say, all president ial elections are always a referendum on the future. And that turned out to be very true. These swing voters will ask one question and one question only. What are you going to do to make my familys lives better . So this will be a referendum on the future. You know, the personalities are, of course, going to drive the media coverage, but people, when theyre sitting out there in missoula, montana, the most important place in the world, they want to know what people are going to do to make their lives better. And thats what theyre going to be looking at this race to do. Steve kornacki. Yeah, jim, that parallel
between 2016 and 2008, you said Bernie Sanders and his supporters are outside the party. I guess thats the key question here. With Hillary Clinton and her voters bringing them into the democratic fold in 08, youre talking about regular democrats here. They wanted to rally around the party ultimately. Are sanders voters different, though, in that way . I dont think so. Look, i think these big rallies that mika was talking about earlier are really good for the party. I think bringing more people into the process is really good for the party. And in the end, people are going to look at this election, and be very clear about the historic difference between the two campaigns and i think its going to help hillary with turnout in the general election. Im sorry. I dont get that. How is that going to help Hillary Clinton with turnout in the general election . Because we need more people voting. We need measure bernies registering new voters but i dont know if theyre going to vote for hillary. It sounds like are they transferring they could go to trump. Oh, come on theres not a chance someone who is going to vote for bernie
sanders in a primary is then going to go to donald trump in a general election. I promise you, thats not going to happen. Mark jim, what are Hillary Clintons two best original ideas on the economy . Look, Infrastructure Investment that makes sense Going Forward that can create jobs. And two, you know, putting people together, like shes done in the senate. Mark, as you know, i worked in the senate for over 15 years before i went to the white house. Clinton had a reputation and a record of bringing people together to get things done. And thats exactly what shes going to do is either of those an original idea on the economy . Oh, come on. She has laid out a very clear vision of where she wants to take this country. And thats the vision shell run on in the fall. Shell be great. Jim messina, thank you so much. We greatly appreciate it. Steve kornacki, thank you. Two words, anger management. Is that a problem for me. Youve go to bring im doing my best. Go put the sweater on. It does help. Its really a thing that
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see what its like to live with posttraumatic stress and then come out on the other side. The second half of the documentary is a conversation with some of the leading experts and advocates. Rubicon, bush institute, the dole institute. Conversation about so how do you take this story and really relate it to all veterans as they are returning home. What do we do for them . Has destigmatization taking place in terms of since vietnam . World war ii, no one talked about it. Vietnam, they begin to. Now it feels as though that we are a bit more honest about thats the case. More and yet both guys and everyone who actually attended that particular cohort that we shot would say that they were so embarrassed about telling anyone their problem. One just for personal shame and, two, really concerned there would be a backlash. That it would affect their career in some ways. I dont think fully stigma has
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lack of charm. And good morning. And he wouldnt leave the bar. No. Like last call. He said i dont want to leave. Hes that guy. Good morning. Your alarm is going off. May 23rd. We have managing editor of Bloomberg Politics and cohost of with all due respect that airs at 6 00 on msnbc, Mark Halperin. How are you doing . Excellent. Like america, im in a dead heat. And then Pulitzer Prize winning historian jon meacham. I think an apology may be in order. The entire d block will be an apology. We owe him one. America is waiting. It might be me. Ill let you do it. You always bring up rebellion and we make fun of you nonstop. Its so boring. This weekend i had no choice when i was riding the writing an op ed in the washington
post. Alexanders warning to 2016 voters. And ill be damned if rebellion. Extraordinary. And hamilton and washington well, actually washington history is not boring. Its vindication. Theres a lot of value in the history that you bring to the table. Its just sometimes you weave it in. Its just, you know, lets get to the point. Also with us msnbc political analyst and professor at the university of Michigan School of Public Policy, former democratic congressman harold never have that problem with me weaving in important facts. Thats your strength. Post revolution was broken by fever was broken by i can read this dramatically if you want. A lot going on. Lets say one thing off the top, though. Donald trump thought we just did. People said that donald trump couldnt win the nomination. And then they said he couldnt
grow. Said he couldnt rise above like twitter wars, right . Uhhuh. And i think he proved everybody wrong this weekend. He delivered what i think is a second gettysburg address lincolns second inaugural on saturday. Sarcasm, got it. Snen is so negative, getting even worse as i get closer. Just had two antitrump losers with zero rebuttal from my team. Turning off. I would have laughed two months ago. Has anybody notified this guy hes about to lock down the republican nomination and hes going into a general election mode where he has to pick up why is he doing his mindless twitter feuds on saturday afternoon . Why wont you let trump be trump, joe . Because that trump loses. In a general election. Weve seaid it. Ive said it at least. Maybe im dead wrong. What works in a republican primary and gains votes in a
republican primary often loses votes in the general election. And sort of this battling who wants a president thats going to be entering tweet wars with everybody repeatedly. The Washington Post on friday wrote some column saying, oh, the morning joe trump feud is over. I was like, theres a feud . Hes just like shooting all around nonstop. Tell me, are there people around him and in washington that are concerned that he continues to engage in twitter wars . No, i mean, look. Going after the press has served him well. So i agree with you theres some things that probably hes done that wont help him. Going after the press has served him well. You think its okay for you think americans are going to want to elect a president who is engaging in twitter wars on a saturday afternoon . The two polls over the weekend suggest that this is going to be an election about
who the country doesnt want. Right. And so jon meacham, if perhaps you released a policy position and started showing consistency on your policy positions instead of trading them out like we used to trade baseball cards, wouldnt that be a better way to spend a saturday afternoon . I think a lot of maybe im dead wrong here. I think youre right that its not what you would think of as a conventional president ial temperament. But everything about the last ten months suggests that conventional president ial temperament may not work well. As you say at least in the primary. As mark says, 29 of a favorable review of him in one of the polls over the weekend. 35 for hillary, Something Like that. So thats a bright flashing light for him. A lot of time sorry, the question is, the
much vaunted pivot. When does that happen . I havent seen it. I think thats the problem. Harold ford festering resentments played very well in primaries, especially with onethird of primary voters on the right and on the left. As you get to the general election, this is like politics 101. At some point you have to be seen as growing and at least moderating temperamentally, dont you . He wont stop doing this follow hes punished in the polls. If the weekend polling, this snapshot is to be believed, it hasnt begun to affect him in a negative, in a punishing way yet. Id agree with another thing. This is unconventional. People didnt think he would be here. If you are him you say you continue to do this until you are hit. If you are mrs. Clinton you watch thus and say we can tempt this guy. We can bring him to a point where we can demonstrate to the
country forcefully and convincingly that he does not have the temperament to be president. Until hes punished, he continues to do this. The saturday tweets will be overwhelmed by his selection of the running mate, the convention and the debates. Does he keep tweeting after that . If he gets those three big things right, the tweets are dog whistles for targeted audiences. And theyre really excited about Newt Gingrich. I still do not believe thats going to happen. So lets look at the numbers. Maybe he knows what hes doing. 5 1 2 months to go before the president ial election, new polls this weekend show the race is neck and neck with donald trump narrowing Hillary Clintons national lead. The new nbc wall street journal poll shows clintons 11point lead in april is now just 3 points. 46 to 43 , within the margin of error. This as the Washington Post abc poll puts trump slightly ahead of clinton with the race effectively tied, 46 to 44 . An 11point shift in trumps favor. The cbs news yougov poll shows clinton and trump in a dead heat for critical mustwin states. In florida, 43 to 42 for trump. And in ohio, clinton holds a fivepoint lead, 44 to trumps 39 . As she looks past her primary opponent and focuses on defining trump. My campaign is not going to let donald trump try to normalize himself in this period. If we dont respond to donald trump, which i am doing, as you have seen. Ive said he is unqualified to be president. I believe that deeply. Im going to keep focused on donald trump because i will be the nominee. I will be running against donald trump in the fall. And i do not want americans and, you know, good thinking republicans as well as democrats and independents to start to believe that this is a normal
candidacy. It isnt. Meanwhile, donald trump and Hillary Clinton are already making history as the nbc wall street journal polls most unpopular likely president ial nominees ever. Only 34 of registered voters have a positive opinion of clinton. 54 have a negative opinion. A new rating of minus 20 points. Trump is down even lower. 29 have a positive opinion of him and 58 have a negative opinion. A negative rating of 29 points. Those are mindboggling numbers for may. N then you consider that Hillary Clinton is going to spend hundreds of millions of dollars attacking donald trump. And his character over the next several months, and donald trump has already said hes going to spend the rest of the campaign attacking Hillary Clinton and bill clinton and suggesting that Hillary Clinton sat by idly or enabled a man to sexually abuse
women. Its already out there saying it in may. Those numbers are going to only go lower. This is not a shining city on a Hill Campaign by any means. Even by our very low standards of president ial politics. To me, the most interesting thing over the weekend was senator clinton using the word normalize. Clearly thats coming straight out of a lot of strategic sessions where theyve learned, i think, the lesson, it was 04 when the Bush Campaign did so well attacking john kerry and the independent expenditure groups did it. So theres no phony war here. Theres no pause. Its just going to go, go, go. And the battle, you know, really is here. Whether trump does trump keep doing what hes done, which has gotten him this far . Remember the old saying. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. In his view, doing the same thing over and over may achieve
the same result. And sanity for him would be not doing the same thing over and over again because everybody said like im saying this morning, this doesnt make sense in the future. Hes ignored them. Hes done it, prevailed. Hes looking great in a lot of these polls. What do those negatives show you, Mark Halperin . Three things. One is that its going to be possible for one of these candidates to win being very unliked by the country. Statistically. And then being unable to govern for four years. Thats going to be tough for either of them. Theres room for another candidate to get into this race if its someone well funded and can get on the ballot. The last thing is the clinton people, she doesnt want it to be normalized. Trump cant possibly win because hes so unpopular. Shes unpopular, too. Its unbelievable. Very few democrats left around Hillary Clinton who say he cant win. They still think shell win but theres very few who think its just an um possibility. Thats why shes going for this thing about dont normalize her. It would be better if people
just said, as flawed as she is, trump is unimaginable as president. And thats not where we are right now. This all paves the way for the next number. About half of voters would consider a third party in the president ial election. 47 tell the nbc wall street journal poll they would be open to voting for a third option this november. While a majority, 51 , say they want a Third Party Candidate to run. According to the Washington Post abc poll. And that goes to what you were saying, your second point, which was when you have people this unpopular, it paves the way. We hear bob gates and everybody else say its just too late. It could be too late it wouldnt be too late if the right person existed. Thats the key. A human being who was popular with the country and who had issue positions that split the difference between the two would have a good chance to be a factor in the race and be tthen on the debate stage. That person doesnt exist so far. You are talking about a duopoly thats going to be broken up. This would be the ideal year with these two candidates to break that duopoly. Parties die or change significantly when they cant get majority consensus on the key issue of the day. The whigs fall apart over slaves. The 1960s, the parties flip on civil rights. Today, seems to be theres not majority consensus in either party given sanders continued success about globalization and its implications. And so if you look at it from sort of a high view, there should be a shift here. This is also as sure as heck feels like a year to me like 68, like 92 where it feels as though, doesnt it, that well get a minority president out of this. The idea that one of these folks is going to get above 50 feels very unlikely. Still ahead, we know Bernie Sanders doesnt think much of
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trump by 15 points. 54 to 39 . Wow. Meacham, you look completely physical. Well, yeah. Bernie outperforms hillary in just about every single poll. But it shows, in the end kasich outperformed trump in every election poll. Little 1948 where you have henry wallace, harry truman, strom thurmond. The conventional democrat won but it was a wild year. I just think these numbers now in may suggest this i mean to state the obvious, this tremendous unrest and unhappiness in the country. And so were just chatting. The idea that this will be in any way a conventional campaign and the conventional rules do you think a Third Party Candidate still jumps in . I think Mike Bloomberg was the one guy who had the means
and the intellectual disposition to do it. I think the mayors made it very clear he doesnt want to spend a billion dollars to change the conversation. Billionaires dont become billionaires by spending a billion. Its hard to imagine who the other person is. But i think a third party would be in certainly be in the 15 to 20point range pretty quickly. Her twofront war now is really a problem. A few weeks ago people were discounting it and saying she could pivot. Hes going to california and beyond and the degree to which she now she really wants to stamp him out but shes not able to and hes clearly agitated, sanders is. Speaking of, sanders spent the weekend campaigning around Southern California where he argued hes the best candidate to take on trump in the fall. I say to every democrat in this country and those delegates who are going to the convention in philadelphia, if you want the
strongest candidate to make sure that trump does not become president , we are that campaign. Another crowd of 7,000 people. 7,000 or so. Relations have been tense between Bernie Sanders and the dnc. Over the weekend, sanders announced his support for tim canova, the primary challenger of dnc chair and florida congresswoman Debbie Wasserman schultz. In florida, are you with Wasserman Schultz or her opponent . Well, clearly i favor her opponent. His views are much closer to mine than is Wasserman Schultzs. And let me also say this, in all due respect to the current chairperson. If elected president , she would not be reappointed to be chair of the dnc. That wasnt a reach, was it . Nobody was shocked when he said that. But thats antagonistic,
though, to jump in supporting her opponent. Thats not just, you know, having a position. Antagonistic point to prove a point. Mrs. Clinton was right in her interview about him not being vetted. Theres a lot to be said for that. As much as mr. Sanders has raised all these important issues, that point is right. With regard to chairwoman Wasserman Schultz. She bumbled this from the outset. I thought there should have been more debates. It looked obvious at times. She has a right to declare her support but as Party Chairman you have a set of responsibilities, and a strong case can be made that theres no reason to have antagonized Sanders Campaign as it looks as if he has been, or the campaign has been from the outside. A lot of this could have been resolved earlier on. Its not resolved because they dont feel like shes even getting closer to where he stands on some of these issues. Im talking about the relationship between the dnc and
mr. Sanders. Right. With regard to what youre saying. Mr. Sanders is now his opponent is 90 or less delegates away from securing a nom thags. He didnt win. Theres a tradition when you doi dont win the nomination, you should at least sit and talk. I remember when Jesse Jackson was running. A late ron brown came to reconcile some of the differences between the two candidates. Why dont they do that . The party has not done their part here. Whats wrong with that . Theres an ancient historical test. We can tell how much trouble a party is in by how many house primaries people get involved in. 1978, Ronald Reagan endorsed george w. Bushs primary opponent in the midland congressional race and decided how the right was trying to take out the old man. And the fact that sanders is getting involved in a house primary suggests two things. One is the deep ideological
which is the Party Chairman . He was about to run against reagan for president. And, two, you just got this sense that sanders is i think at some level, people want sanders to be this Upton Sinclair person, above politics. Hes getting involved in a house primary in florida. Coming up it could be another first for donald trump. As in the first republican nominee in decades to be heavily outspent by the democrat. Thats going to happen. The New York Times alex burns follows the money trail coming up on morning joe. Its more than a network and the cloud. Its reliable uptime. And multilayered security. Its how you stay connected to each other and to your customers. With centurylink you get advanced technology solutions, including an industry leading broadband network, and cloud and hosting services
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senator rand paul, now a contributor to Time Magazine and msnbc political analyst. Alex, theres been this narrative thats taken on a life of its own that the Republican Party, the republican establishment and everything is lining up behind donald trump and hes off to the races. I read your article this weekend, and sort of like a big stop sign there. A lot of the men and women that fund republican campaigns, the republicans have to have, theres still a never trump camp. They are. This is a big distinction when you talk about the republican establishment as this monolithsic group. The folks like paul ryan and members of his conference who have to run on a ticket with donald trump. Its not an option for them to sit out this campaign. The folks that write the checks and fund this party, and we found a dozen who have contributed more than 90 million i mean the big names, the ricketts, paul sr. It totally is an option for them to say well take a pass on this one. Thats what a lot of them are doing. This is really trump, obviously, scored big in the primaries playing to the gallery, going after the donors. In those debates hed get booed and say those are the lobbyists and money men out there. Theyre kind of mad now. Also the Koch Brothers who arent as reliably republican when comes to giving to president ial candidates. They are also backing way off. Right. People close to the kochs say theyre not never trump. Theyre not this man must be defeated but they do sort of feel like we invest where we feel like we have ideological compatriots and this guy is not one of ours. You reached out to 50 key republican donors for your article. And while some had no comment, others had plenty to say. You wrote this. Michael k. Vlock, a connecticut investor who has given nearly 5 million to republicans at the federal level since 2014
considers mr. Trump a dangerous person. Hes an ignorant, amoral, dishonest and manipulative misogynist, phil apderring, hyperlitigeuous isolationist. Basically being attacked like that. Ill mark you down as undecided. Definitely. Well, donald trump will have him set for reeducation camp making comments like that. So what is your sense about the republican establishment . Is it meekly going to line up behind donald trump some are we going to see more of this . Were seeing the Political Class really line up around donald trump. Are they scared of the voters . Its expediency. More people are choosing power over principles. With the donor class, they have an option. One quote i found telling was one big donor said Donald Trumps worth so much money. Why am i going to give him so much money . Hes worth 10 billion. They are using that now against him. If hes worth 10 billion he can just pay for it himself. The holdouts will exist. As long as trump looks like he can win, he is going to bring some people, more people on board. Thats going to be for a lot of people the big differentiator. If they build a financial organization, which they are still trying to do thats a safe place to give money, i think they will get more of these people. Thats a big if, though. You need to create some kind of platform where donors feel comfortable writing these giant checks. T. Boone pickens was to host a big event for one of the trump super pacs. This is where this is one of the places where trump just operationally lags behind a more conventional campaign. Pennsylvania has voted democrat in every president ial election since 1992. But this year donald trump could change all that. The latest poll from the keystone state shows the race there is essentially tied. Hillary clintons onepoint lead right inside the margin of error. You know what ive called pennsylvania since 1992 . Fools gold. Every four years they go in and say theyre going to win. And every four years around october 15th they pull up the stakes and kind of sneak out at night when nobody is looking after theyve wasted a lot of money. If there were a governors race between donald trump and Hillary Clinton, who would you bid on in a governors race. Maybe trump. I dont know. But in the president ial race, good luck being a republican thats not down 400,000 when you get out of philadelphia. You tell me that donald trump is going to be down 400,000 . I dont think there will be enough votes in western and central pennsylvania to make up for all the people that are going to go out around philadelphia to stop him, right . And does trump get the fabled philadelphia suburbs . How did pat toomey get elected to the senate . You look at the philadelphia suburbs that are supposed to be
the swing areas. Trump is getting absolutely slaughtered with suburban women and nonworking women, working women. All the people that decide in effect who wins bucks county, Montgomery County and all those other counties, right . To find out whats going to in pennsylvania i wish we had somebody there. Lets go to los angeles where our msnbc correspondent Jacob Soboroff is. Show us your hands. Los angeles is where you always go to find out whats happening in pennsylvania, guys. Keep your hands to yourself. You took a look at why this reliably blue state could possibly go red. What did you find . Joe, you mentioned western pennsylvania. How red does western pennsylvania ultimately get . Check this map out. Its been traditionally very, very blue since 1992. Mika, you said it. Democratic president s all the way but shifting redder and redder and redder every president ial election since. So that little highlighted county, Beaver County. I went there in western pennsylvania. Aliquippa to be specific. Steel town. Former home of j l steel to see whats going on. A big transformation. Youd be surprised. Take a look. These trains and this town were once reliably delivering steel across america and boast democratic politicians. But this blue state could possibly turn red. Where are we . What is this place . Downtown aliquippa. Who are your constituents . Staunch democrats. Aliquippa is a staunch democratic town. Always blue collar. Blue steel. I heard Beaver County for the First Time Ever has two republican county commissioners . And one democrat. What happened. They dont believe in the politics anymore. They dont believe in the candidates anymore. This is downtown aliquippa. One time a bustling place. It looks pretty dead. Well, its just the way it is. Its gone. Everything is gone. These were all bars, restaurants, shops, markets. Everything was here. And now whats going on downtown . Now you can see whats going on downtown. Not a lot. Not a lot. This is the tunnel that, what, 11,000 people would come through every day . Yep, right here. Aliquippa industrial park. Everything out here was steel. The whole valley. This is a big old empty lot. This is where you used to work . Over here, yeah. When you look at this now and it looks like were walking on the surface of the moon, what goes through your head . A lot of people got financially destroyed when the mills were gone. How many people worked out here . I think at one time like 13,000, i believe, worked in the mill. 13,000 people. If you polled those 13,000 people in its heyday, what would the politics be at that time . Democrats . A lot of democrats, right. You are a Hillary Clinton guy . I likehillary, but things
may change when it comes to the election. You could go trump . I dont know. Pennsylvania is normally a blue state. Normally. Maybe not this time. He said im going to do this, do this, build jobs. And then look at this. Pretty unheard of stuff. I talked to some Lifelong Union members, too. Well have those guys later today on msnbc who are considering going over to donald trump. Check out these numbers. Between 2013 n 2015, 1,170 democrats switched over to republicans over that twoyear period. In the first three months of this year alone, 1,135. To joes point, thats not 400,000 coming out of philadelphia, but it is sizable numbers. Way bigger than weve seen before. How fast is this all going to go down . How many are going to make that switch . Jacob, great piece. Thank you. The story that was a story. The story of Beaver County is the story of too many across
america. Drive across the northeast especially and one town after another looking like that. And the question is for republicans, you know, and for Hillary Clinton, what do you say to reach these voters . Its one of the striking weve all focused on trumps appeal to these communities in the primaries, the towns where he did best were often these former industrial towns that had fallen on hard times. These used to be backbone democratic communities. It is striking that just even at this early stage in the campaign, were not even really looking at Hillary Clinton as super competitive with those voters. It speaks to the difficulty shes had articulating an economic message. When there were all the jobs there it was a reliably democratic area. Now the jobs have left. Looks like a ghost town, and you have a lot of people in towns like this actually supporting either donald trump or Bernie Sanders. That New York Times piece i talked about all the time where
they said look at the towns where trade deals devastated the local economies and they are voting in large part for trump or sanders. Its come down to so much. This is a free trade election on so many levels. I really thought it was going to be an election about immigration and the wall. While it is, free trade is really going to be the issue that this fall comes into hot focus. Especially states like michigan and you look at what happened there and could donald trump really make a play in michigan. And even when you talk about immigration, you know, why are there a lot of people. Why does the wall street journal, why do a lot of conservatives, why do a lot of people on wall street, why do free trade democrats want very liberal immigration policies . Cheap labor. What does cheap labor do . It drives down wages for working class americans which really goes into the calculation of people in these communities being against immigration. And thats where i think the Republican Party catered too much to the donor class and ignored these concerns of our working class voters. Thats part of the reason were stuck in a civil war right now. Be it too disconnected from the people actually shoeting f levo. Sheas rebellion. A Republican Party thats had been Economic Policy thats been so disconnected from working class americans for the past 20, 25 years. We may have a Democratic Party thats got the same problems. Alex burns and elise jordan, thanks. President obama confirms the killing of talibans top leader. Plus, expectations are growing over a june Interest Rate hike. And its already affecting the markets. Were back in a moment. W i am. Red head fred. Ultra rare. I collect these too. Nah, these are for my dog because he can never decide which one he wants until he gets home, so. Presenting the American Express blue cash everyday card with cash back on purchases and no annual fee. My only concern is that this is where we put food. A dogs foot is cleaner than a humans mouth. Thats what they say. Is it . Cleaner than my mouth. Cash back on purchases. Backed by the service and security of American Express. Cash back on purchases. Prge a manufacturer. Well thats why i dug this out for you. Its your grandpappys hammer and he would have wanted you to have it. It meant a lot to him. Yes, ge makes porful machine but ill be writing the code that will allow those machines to sre information with each other. Ill be changing the way the world works. interrupting you cant pick it up, can you . Go ahead. He cant lift the hammer. Its okay though youre going to change the world. Real is touchi a ray. Amazing is moving like one. Real is making new friends. Amazing is getting this close. Real is an animal rescue. Amazing is over twentyseven thousand of them. There is only one place where real and amazing live. Seaworld. Real. Amazing im one of the students at vanderbilt. Time now for business before the bell with sara eisen. What your watching this morning, Interest Rate hike . Watching an Interest Rate hike. Also potential megamerger. Were talking about behayer approaching monsanto for a takeover. If this happens it could be a 62 billion deal. One of the biggest foreign takeovers ever, creating the number one seed and crop company in the world. Its been tough out there for seed companies. Weve been talking about the decline in oil and other commodities like grains. Thats slashed farmers increase. Theyre spending less on seeds. Its been a vicious cycle thats hurt this industry and led to a lot of mergers and acquisitions. Well see if monsanto responds. If they join, 36 of u. S. Corn seeds would be controlled. Well see if regulators bless that deal. And the federal reserve, that is topic du jour on wall street. Coming off four down weeks for the dow on this idea that the fed may ruin the party this summer by raise interesting rates. The cheap money cant go on
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pivot to asia. What about belated . Its not belated. Theyve been working on this for some time. Y they have. Theyve ignored asia and you know it. This is really good. Building our partnerships, building our alliances. Building trade relations. Strengthening security. Cuba, iran and vietnam, this, boy, this is what we dreamed of. This is what its all about. I think the president sees opportunities. Hes created opportunities for himself with iran, with cuba and with vietnam. Right on. But the thing i have to say here is its not just about the immediate or long game. The long game is building these partnerships. If youre running a company and you are building these longterm agreements with other companies to build your market share, blah, blah, blah in asia and youre not paying attention to whats happening in the home office which is, lets say theres a mass epidemic of middle management suicides, then youre in trouble. Where is the mass epidemic of
middle management suicide . Syria. So i think that we need to deal explain that. Its great the president is doing the long game, and he has to do it. Its a g7 meeting, but i really think those asian leaders are looking for u. S. Leadership. The meltdown of syria continues. Meltdown continues. And its getting worse. The opposition just said in 48 hours were done with the truce and the russians and syria have been ignoring the truce anyway. Bosnia, circa 1994, you know, where you had actually safe areas and actually, its a lot of talk. Its much worse. Jon meacham, when he were going into the balkans to prevente en is genocide, there werent 200,000 murdered. What we all rose to fight against in the early 1990s. Double the number of refugees. Double the number of
refugees. So as a differing definition of our National Interest. A humanitarian and security interest in kosovo. How do you think the president should be defining the National Interest in syria . So as you said, there are multiple dimension. Right now im talking about the humanitarian crisis. This isnt funny. This is like bosnia, lycike like rwanda. We also have to deal with the dynamic political lie. What were doing with russia at the negotiating table. We dont have enough leverlever. Were doing some work there on the ground but its not enough. Obviously not motivating the russians and syrians to be serious about compromise. Theyre pushing full steam ahead with their military plan which is to get as much of the territory and maintain control for assad in syria. What is saudi arabia doing today thats inconsistent with american interests around the world . Well, thats sort of a trick question. More specific it seems theyre not doing
very much to help. Im wondering if you think theyre doing anything to help. What are some things they are doing . They are part of the coalition. But id argue theyre paying more attention to yemen. They have their reasons for doing that, but they need to do more in syria. I think, honestly, its not just about military force and putting pressure on syria and russia militarily but we need to threaten this part of the plan and economic sanction and one that goes beyond what we do with the russians in the context of ukraine. Something with the middle eastern allies saying you guys are supporting assad. We already have sanctions on the u. S. Books. They can join us. We can sanction russia for what theyre doing there. Short term, long term. In the short term, saudi arabia, egypt, the uae. They fill the trade by barack obama and this administration. Theyve not been treated the way they expect to be treated. If you look at the New York Times article yesterday about how kosovo has been turned into a hot bed of jihadism. I think thats a little overstated. Because of saudi arabia expenditures to promote that sort of ideology. Its something they just have to stop. Dr. Evelyn, you need to come back. Id love to come back. They may not like you at the Atlantic Council but you can always be a resident fellow here. A chair and a mug. Not the mug, but the chair. Were calling you. And ian is going to what do we say about ian . You know what we say about ian. Hes such a neocon. You give him three takes to invade canada. Its more than a network and the cloud. Its reliable uptime. And multilayered security. Its how you stay connected to each other and to your customers. With centurylink you get advanced technology solutions, including an industry leading broadband network, and cloud and hosting services all with dedicated, responsive support. With centurylink as your trusted technology partner, youre free to focus on growing your business. Centurylink. Your link to whats next. vo on the trane test range, you learn what makes our heating and cooling systems so reliable. If theres a breaking point, well find it. Its hard to stop a trane. Really hard. Will make jet warehouses even andmore efficient. King robot and save shoppers money. Genius smoke alarm sounds oh no. Charlene . No, no. Shh. At jet. Com, were always looking for money saving innovations. Amazing sleep stays with you all day and all night. Sleep number beds with sleepiq technology
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