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Now that trump has the nomination, hes gonna become president , okay . Because people dont like to admit it in public, but they secretly really like trump. Everywhere i go, im like, you guys like trump . And theyre like, boo, no and then im like, are you going to vote for him . And theyre like, probably. And yes, a lot of people hate trump. But dont forget, a lot of people hate hillary, too. No ones really happy with either of these choices. Its like if youre in the mood for soup, and go to the diner to get soup, but the only two options they have left are pumpkin corn chowder or Hillary Clinton. What . good morning, everyone. Thats a quizzical joke. Its monday, may 9th. Do you think well see the sun today . Yesterday, holy cow beautiful. With us on set anybody that seen the matrix, the last one where they go above the clouds and go, its beautiful, and phew. Legendary columnist and msnbc contributor, mike barnicle. Managing editor of Bloomberg Politics and cohost of with all due respect, Mark Halperin. What an amazing show. Who would absolutely be obsessed with that show . Who . I cant think of one person. Not anybody in their right mind. I finally went to see hamilton. Hamilton, rickles, i dont think its even a close call. People will remember the summer of 2016. And in washington, we have nbc news chief Foreign Affairs correspondent, and host of Andrea Mitchell reports, Andrea Mitchell with us this morning. And pulitzer prizewinning columnist and associate editor of the Washington Post and msnbc political analyst, euGene Robinson. Great group before we do the read, ive got to ask. Whats going on . Whats going on out there . Theres just a lot of battle lines being drawn. And i think theyre fake. I think this whole trump ryan thing is phony so they could meet this week and come together and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Donald trump just said im getting tired. That he would consider stripping paul ryans chairmanship of the Republican National committee. Do they have a meeting this week . To me, the weekends encapsulated by the following. The wall street journal editorial page said trump could lose the entire election in the next month if he doesnt get his act together. And mike and i have the same experience. We talked to a bunch of liberal democrats over the weekend who say, hillary cant win. The country is divided over this election and what the possible outcome could be. So why is donald trump attacking paul ryan when paul ryan said something last week that we all thought, at least i said, hey, trump said the right thing, ryan said the right thing. They come together, its actually symbolic of something much bigger. So then trump this weekend goes out and hammers him even more. Because, joe, he wants to go into the meeting the in a position of strength. Yeah, he doesnt have that much strength, actually. No, no, no. I dont think trump can tolerate what ryan said. Get in line, hes the nominee. Then he cant tolerate running for president. Thats exactly right. He should go back to reality tv. If he cant handle that . Art of the deal. Ryan has said well, with ryan has to hold out now. Ryan has said something extraordinary. Ryan has said, youre not good enough for me to endorse. Thats not what he said. He said, im not ready right now but i look forward to it. No, he said dont distort what paul ryan said. Think what would normally happen. But this isnt a normal year. The guy is on track to win more votes than any previous republican nominee, and the speaker of house, rather than doing what Mitch Mcconnell or most everyone else has done, has said, ill wait and see. You know, donald trump is also, though, donald trump is also has offended more people in his party than any presumptive nominee. He has higher disapproval ratings than any candidate ever to run for president of the United States at this stage. Paul ryan saying, hey, you know, im not ready right now, but im thinking about it. You know, it was a very clear sign, for anybody whos not stupid, for anybody that didnt just start practicing politics nine months ago, for anybody that has a brab okay, be nice. And knows how to read other politicians, it was a sign, im not here now, but im going to meet you and were going to meet in the middle. But ive got to say this, mike. If he cant handle paul ryan in negotiations like this, without wl blowing it up, whats he going to do when he starts negotiating with people across the world . If he cant handle this paul ryan negotiation any better than this. Mark, you referenced the art of the deal with regard to donald trump. Joe referenced the idea of politics, which is the art of governance. Donald seems to come to the table. First of all, hes playing on a much bigger stage now than he was three weeks ago. A much bigger stage. He is the nominee for president of the United States by a Major Political party, the Republican Party. So now, everything he says has to be measured against, you know, do you let someone take 10 , 20 when youre negotiating . Youve got to give the other person some sense you didnt entirely lose everything. Paul ryan knows how to do that. Donald trump, apparently, wants everything how about the fact, that best i can tell from my reporting, rune didnt give trump a heads up. How about that . I think it doesnt matter. It is Donald Trumps party to bring together now. Paul ryan. Theres nothing paul ryan said that was offensive. I dont know if youre angling for an interview here or not, but this is pretty straightforward. Im just this is pretty straightforward. Im just paul ryan was moving in that direction. Im just answering the question, why did trump do what he did over the weekend. Paul ryan went out and announced this without calling, hes the nominee of the party, and ryan says he wants to support him, call him up. Mark halperin, would you like to make a bet with me . Yeah . I will bet you something very nice that the meeting will end up well and this is just battle lines being drawn to step up the drama. I dont i never bet on what i cover, but i think im right. Getting a pickup truck. At event after event over the weekend, trump said ryans comments came as a surprise. Paul ryan, i dont know what happened. I dont know. And he the other day just in a big i didnt get paul ryan, i dont know what happened. I dont know what happened and he called me three weeks ago. En we can have had a nicer conversation. Thank you very much, donald, its great and well work together. Well, everythings fine. And then all of a sudden, he wants to be cute. Ive gotten tremendous endorsements. I didnt get it from ryan, though, can you imagine . Paul ryan. Thats a hard one. Hes making everyone boo him wherever he goes. Trump also heres a funny thing. Paul ryans going to be speaker of the house, yeah . You knew tip. You knew people that run the house. Good luck getting anything through the house of representatives. You know, its very funny for donald. He can do that to ben carson and he can do that to mike huckabee. Good luck doing that to the speaker of the house. Im just saying. Have fun. Trump also tried to rule out blocking ryan from becoming the convention chairman. And that call hes referring to, the Speakers Office says it never happened and the last time the two talked was in march. So we have some other battle lines being drawn here. Its worth talking about. We have some other guests. Andrea mitchell, have you ever seen a nominee, a presumptive nominee going after somebody in as powerful as a position as the speaker . Not that i can recall. I just think that i just think it was a mistake. And, you know, you could argue, i was talking to some republicans yesterday who said, you know, ryan probably should have waited until after the meeting before laying down those lines, but he wanted to see whether donald trump would step back from the muslim ban or some of the other positions that hed taken. He is seriously troubled, im told, but some other things that hes said. And, you know, paul ryan is a traditional fiscal conservative. He is a reagan republican. And nothing that donald trump has said explains what he would do about budget deficits. And what he said on friday on cnbc is really extraordinary and should get more information. Were going to get to that. Where he said, the United States of america isnt going to make good on its debt if it doesnt want to. Is he suggesting that we should become greece . I dont know what he does, but we as americans pay our debt, thats why we continue to be the safe haven for investment across the globe the country does. For a century. Our country does, exactly. Gene robinson, isnt this the time donald trump is supposed to be bringing his party together. The trump people say, dont worry, least going to be more rational and reasonable the second hes won the primary and everythings going to be no, its just the opposite. Hes going after paul ryan and getting everybody to boo paul ryan. Thats right, you said the phrase, his party. Donald trump, i believe, thinks this is his party now. He won, he beat them all. He didnt support him and he beat them all. So why should she go hat in hand to paul ryan. Now, you mentioned the reason. If he were to become president and he were to want to pass a piece of legislation, he would be the speaker of the house. And that would be a problem. However, i do understand, you know, trumps position. Whats he going to do now . Take it all back . Say, oh, actually, im just a conventional republican . I think he believes that when were for him and so hes just going to, you know, weve got to do this my way is his view. All right, then theres this, with his primary opponents out of the way, donald trump is focusing his attention on his likely general election opponent, Hillary Clinton. And while he hit her on the issues, which were going to show you in a moment, he also raised eyebrows for personal attacks. He did that right away. Trump cited a report from last month that a super pac supporting clinton is going to begin a 90 Million Ad Campaign against him. Trump said that the ads were largely focusing on him and women. So he made this connection over the weekend. Hillary clinton just ordered 90 million worth of hit ads on donald trump. And its hit ads on donald trump and women in the history of politics, Hillary Clintons husband abused women more than any man that we know of, in the history of politics, right . Have you ever read what Hillary Clinton did to the women that bill clinton had affairs with . Do you remember the famous i did not have sex with that woman, and then a couple of months later, im guilty. He was impeached for lying about what happened with a woman. And shes going to take ads about little donald trump . I dont know. I dont think so. Shes playing the womans card so much and so loud, shes gonna get hit for it, because its not appropriate. She was an unbelievably nasty, mean, enabler and what she did to a lot of those women is disgraceful. So put that in her on the and lets see what happens, okay . If she didnt play the womens card, she would have no answer. I mean, zero of winning. Shes playing the womens card. Shes going, did you hear that donald trump raised his voice while speaking the to a woman . Oh, im sorry im sorry. I mean, all of the men, were petrified to speak to women anymore. We may raise our voice. You know what . The women get it better than we do, folks, all right . They get it better than we do. If she didnt play that card, she has nothing. So mika, it begins. It begins. Hillary Clintons Campaign responded yesterday in a statement, saying, quote, in a week in which donald trump casually suggested destabilizing the entire u. S. Economy and cited his attendance at a Miss Universe pageant in russia as proof of his Foreign Policy experience, of course he will try to change the subject. Hillary clinton doesnt care what he says about her. She will continue to call him out for his outrageous positions and divisive comments. I like the irony there of accusing donald trump of trying to change the subject, when you know what that statements trying to do . Change the subject. Change the subject. I think the Clinton Campaign is being pretty brilliant here in a guttural way. Get all of this out, go after him, let him start spewing all this stuff right now, get it over with. Because its gonna happen. No way to avoid it. So lets go. Hes going to do it nonstop. What was roger stones quote. That, everybodys going to know. Theyre going to do this. At some point it will look like bullying. It is the second week in a may. The second week in may. Its going to be like following the bataan death march, this campaign. Its going to take us right down, right to the bottom. You know, andrea, ive got to believe that Paul Manafort understands, as we were saying on thursday or friday, donald trump doesnt have long. He has a very short, small window to turn things around with his panghispanics, to turn things around with women, hes on the wrong side of history with demographics, yet it looks like hes going back to his playbook from the early republican primary instead of being positive and trying to reach out to hispanics, to women. Nothing that he did this weekend does anything but harden battle lines anymore and drive his negatives and possibly Hillary Clintons negatives up even more. No, absolutely. Hes playing to white male voters, but there just arent enough white men out there in the general election universe to win this election, unless everybody and every minority voter stays home. And she, today, Hillary Clinton, were going out to cover her out in loudoun county. Shes going toward an area where there are a lot of republican and independent women. Shes going after the suburban women. Many of them republicans. And youve got them in bedroom communities around every big city and all across this country. And thats whom shes countying on. Yeah. And its not necessarily going to be an easy lift, because shes got a long history and he is demonizing her and bringing all this other stuff up. Andrea and jean, those comments he was making, you think those are appealing to white male voters . Need to wake up my daughter. Because i think thats actually, potentially, a message younger women can connect with. That is one point, but when he says, you men, women get it all, and you men are the ones wlor taking the backseats, and i mean, thats part of what he was saying, in the spokane appearance. Saying that men are disadvantaged. Lets talk about the issues. Yes, donald trump took on policy positions with a new broadside on guns, while clinton hit trump for his Foreign Policy rhetoric and questioned his understanding of the economy. Hillary clinton wants to abolish the second amendment. She wants to abolish it. Okay . Hillary clinton wants to take your guns away and she wants to abolish the second amendment. She wants to take the bullets away. She wants to take it. You tell me thats something we can live with. Were going to cherish the second amendment. Were going to take care of the second amendment. I dont see donald trump having any kind of coherent Foreign Policy or theory of national security. He kind of makes statements that i find concerning, whether its about Nuclear Weapons or torture or anything else. So i think the burden is really on him to try to make a case why, when youve had 70 years of american policy under both republicans and democrats, trying to prevent the proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, he is so cavalier, even reckless and dangerous. On Foreign Policy, hillary is trigger happy. She is, shes trigger happy. Shes got a bad temperament. By the way and her husband learned that a few times, didnt he . But shes trigger happy. You look what shes done, and i just wrote this down. Iraq, libya, she wrote it, lets go into iraq. Im not going to run an ugly race. I am going to run a race based on issues and what my agenda is for the American People. I dont really feel like im running against donald trump. I feel like im running for my vision of what our country can be. Wow, what a contrast. Welldone on her part. What a contrast. Mark halperin, if youre Hillary Clintons camp, you cant hope for a better contrast than those clips of donald trump all weekend shouting, again, like hes running against ben carson in South Carolina in august its like, is there nobody around donald trump who can say, hey, donald the primary is over. White male voters voted for you. Youre supposed to pivot and make my head spin. Are you going to win the general election or keep talking like its august of 2015 . Who is around this guy that can tell him that . Those clips are what mike suggested, were in a different phase now. The Clinton Campaign is locked and loaded, they know what they want to do week to week, month to month. But donalds not in a different phase. No. He changed his positions on minimum wage and taxes, but even that i do like that. Even that was executed in kind of a sloppy away. This guy and his team have a todo with 10,001 elements on it, and theyre doing nothing. Its like theyve got all this Political Nuclear waste out there. This is the time theyre supposed to be cleaning it up. Hes going out there and creating more waste. Theyre supposed to go to the chernobyl of capitol hill and pick a fight with the speaker of the house and spin this buyer week, weekend, talking about bill clintons affairs in the 1990s. Instead of actually doing cleanup operations, being quiet, showi showing you have a steady hand. Starting to plan on winning the general election. If trump loses or gets blown out, the next three weeks or so will be looked at as history where they didnt react to the fact they have 10,001 things to do, and theyre not doing them nearly fast enough, because theyre creating new problems for themselves, instead of solving all the many problems they need to solve. This is exactly what i said after iowa. He was freaking out after iowa. I said, if he didnt focus on New Hampshire that was in front of him, he was going to lose it and lose everything. He turned it around. But right now, hes wildly out of control, and i wonder if he thought, hey, everybody this is a mistake every politician makes. Barack obama made it. Every president that walks in that people didnt think was going to win. Well, everybody was against me from the beginning and everybody said i couldnt win from the beginning, so now im not going to listen to anything anybody says because im powerful and mighty, im smarter than everybody else in the world. And hes going around and just doing the stupidest things if he wants to win the general election. To joes point, what weve seen for the past several months is an intersquad scrimmage compared to playing in the world series. Hillary clinton is playing in the world series world series, donald trump is not. But to joes point, who around donald trump is advising him that he would listen to or is it still all donald, all the time. His kids and Paul Manafort. Hell listen to them. Look what we had this weekend. Are they suggesting that, hey theres just too much for them to do. By the way, his kids and paul manafo manafort, i mean, i havent talked to them this weekend, but i dont think they wanted him to do that this weekend. I think they were probably 3,000 miles away from where he was. This guy was on his own this weekend. They could be losing the election right now. If he doesnt they are. His you know what together over the next three weeks, hell lose the election and he wont be able to turn it around. This is something, by the way, gene rob yinson, we said last week, and before he started to do all this stuff, he has a very short window to turn the ship around or all will be lost. Ever seen the Robert Redford movie all is lost, hes going to be writing that note and throwing it out into the water pretty soon. Well, you know, thats entirely possible, joe. Look, he managed also this week, and andrea mentioned that to say what its hard to use speller s superlati superlatives. That the United States is not going to pay its debt. Well just pay them a certain amount on the dollar. Which is exactly, we want to be greece. The United States as the most reliable place to put your money. Thats an essential truth about todays world. That has to be maintained or we, you know, or the country potentially goes down the tube. Its just ridiculous. It was an unbelievable thing to say. And, um, as far as i know, he hasnt taken it back or he hasnt corrected it. But you can just imagine the impact of that on a general election. To show you, mika, how hamfisted his statement was on paul ryan this weekend. Think about it this way. Right now Donald Trumps trying to bring the party together. He needs endorsements from, it would be good for him to have endorsements in the party. But if you are now a member of the house of representatives, who is moving towards endorsing donald trump, if you were a chairman, chairperson, somebody that ever wanted to be a chairperson, chairman, somebody that ever wanted to have power in the house of representatives, Donald Trumps just frozen you. Because hes insulted your speaker. And youre not going to do blank for donald trump. Ill let people at home fill in the blanks for him. It was such a shortsighted, hamfisted move. You know, donald cant get what donald wants the second donald wants it. It doesnt work that way. And because he didnt let it play out with paul ryan, now, nobody in the house is going to come out and support him. I still think that hes got to clean that up. That they can do it in the meeting and they plan to. And hes got one of his principle surrogates out there, palin, saying paul ryan is going to be cantered. That paul ryan will lose his thats really good. Thats helpful. I would say lose the palin. Just a little advice from someone who night know. Still ahead on morning joe, another battle line this morning. Donald trump versus Elizabeth Warren. That goofy Twitter Exchange is ahead. Wow. Did yall see that . Plus, is donald trump the steve jobs of politics. The promise and pitfalls of the singular person driving an entire system. And did Republican Voters abandon the establishment or was it the other way around . New reporting in the Washington Post that tackles the question and the future of conservatism in todays gop. Real is touching a ray. Amazing is moving like one. Real is making new friends. Amazing is getting this close. Real is an animal rescue. Amazing is over twentyseven thousand of them. There is only one place where real and amazing live. Seaworld. Real. Amazing Customer Service d. Maam. This isnt a computer. Wait. Youre real . With discover card, you can talk to a real person in the u. S. , like me, anytime. Wow. This is a recording. Really . No, im kidding. 100 u. 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Which is it . Are you willing to raise taxes on the 1 or not . Let me explain how the world works. I come up with the biggest tax cut by far of anybody, any candidate. And i put it in. But that doesnt mean thats what were going to get. Im going to negotiate. Im going to make sure the middle class gets good tax breaks. Because they have been absolutely shunned. The other thing, im going to fight very hard for business. For the wealthy, its going to go up. And you know what, it really should go up. Should we assume that most of your plans, then, we shouldnt take you at your word that there are floors, that its what you described. That, its your opening statement, but everything is negotiable. Excuse me. Excuse me. Excuse me, chuck. Its a proposal. People can say its a tax plan, but its a tax proposal. Because after i put it in, and i think you know the senate and congress sure, yeah. You know as much as anybody. They start working with you and start fighting and lets see what happens. Its interesting, i actually spoke to a group of republicans and newt kanan on friday night and they gave me the book the art of the deal, because i said i hadnt read it yet. And i leafed through it. And i didnt read the chapter about negotiating against yourself as being a smart thing to do. But trump puts out this deal, and now hes negotiating against himself and hes changing it. And i dont understand. And hes talking about higher taxes. There are people in new york and connecticut and new jersey that are already paying 55 of their income to taxes and hes talk about raising taxes on the wealthy. On the wealthy. And the minimum wage going up. I know you like that, but, thats completely different than what he said, andrea, the entire campaign. It is. I thought he had one way of framing it when he was on with chuck. When he said, well, i was listening and i was toout there and i realize now that 7. 25 isnt enough. I think he can make that argument, as he makes it in and out, as weve been discussing, these next couple of weeks are really pivotal in working with the party and trying to unify the party and i think he can moderate some of these positions. But its a little bit, more than a little bit disingenuous, but this is the time to do it if hes going to do it. That said, i think some of the other bigger issues, which he was doubling down on, as recently as last wednesday with lester holt, you know, the muslim ban, for instance, hes got to figure his way around those. He does. Thats just a total dial back. Lets also talk about another big one, as we mention, donald trump is also facing scrutiny for his recent comments suggesting that he might reduce the National Debt by persuading creditors to accept less than full payment. He made that statement to cnbc on thursday. Here he is yesterday on abc. Wont that undermine the full faith and credit of the no, if we can buy it at a discount, thats a great thing. We have to lower debt. We have 19 trillion in debt. Its going to be 21, because the budget was horrible. Im a low Interest Rate person. If you have inflation, well have to change that theory, because youre going to have to stop things and slow things down. But right now we have low Interest Rates. We have to rebuild the whole infrastructure of our country. You try to debt back at this, Interest Rates are going to go up. No, you can buy debt back, you can buy debt back and take advantage of certain things. Do you know china right now as 1. 8 trillion of our debt . Okay . 1. 8. And theyre cheating us. And theyre friends of mine. Theyre not going to sell to you at a discount. You never know. You never know. All of a sudden you can sell at a discount. You never know that. And at some point maybe they want to get out. Maybe they need their money. He said he would renegotiate the National Debt. Maybe he just doesnt understand that running our government is not the same as making real estate deals. That putting the full faith and credit of the United States of america at risk would be a horrible outcome and it would raise Interest Rates, it would wipe away savings, it would cause a financial global meltdown. What are we, mike, arrangena . Greece . Thats a baffling suggestion. After he said that, toward the end of last week, i spoke with a guy who was a fairly significant player on wall street. And heres the quote, about donald trump, in reference to what donald trump said, he cant be that ignorant, can he . You mean about defaulting on the debt . Yeah. Yeah. But he also said, with george stephanopoul stephanopoulos, yesterday, kind of interesting, about all of these proposals hes throwing out there, its a concept. I think people probably get the concept aspect when he talks about negotiating a tax plan with congress. But what does he do about the muslim ban or the wall . Those are a little bit more than concepts. Will he walk back on those two . Well, theres nose concepts to deal with, now that were facing the general. But these things that have come up. And ill point to something you said casually on the phone yesterday, we were trying to figure this out. Its almost like hes trying to sabotage this. Gene, does he really want this . Does he want to win the election . Its as if hes trying to kill. No, he wants to win the election. Are you sure . Are you sure . Well, how can i be sure . Im not sure. I believe he wants to win the election. I believe he wants to win the election his way. I believe he thinks, and this is delusional in my view, was he thinks that he has brilliantly strategized his way to this point. So essentially a hostile takeover of the Republican Party. Well, he has. And hes going to keep going forward, his way, which involves zig zagging on positions and saying outrageous things and sticking to the muslim ban, and sticking to the wall and, you know, all these, frankly, crazy things. I mean, what he said about the debt is just absolutely insane i think but, i think he believes i think he wants to win, and i think hes counting on the country just willing to take a flyer and say we need something different. Heres a sports analogy to simplify. Its like a guy whos a really good runner and he wins the running part of it. And then everybody jumps on bikes. And he goes, you know what, im such a good runner, im just going to keep running while everybody else is jumping on bikes. And he doesnt realize that were in a different phase of the race. Look, trump was genius at understanding the republican electorate. Yeah, genius and as weve said all along, its complete different. With all respect to gene who calls his positions on tempering the muslim ban and the wall crazy or whatever, they are very popular positions with the republican electorate. Not in the general. Not in the general. Trump is banking on being himself and that the country wants change and not more of the same. It almost doesnt matter what he says. But its 62 of americans is an old poll. 62 or 63 of americans are against the muslim ban, right . Hes in a different part of the race. Hymn running instead of getting on the bike. Appeal to a whole Different Group of voters. A much Different Group. But hes not doing that. Hes not doing that. Hes still in his august mode. Ive got to take down ben carson. But hes banking on the country basically saying, things are bad, we need someone who represents change. But heres where irony confronts the Trump Campaign or the Trump Campaign confronts irony. Why is he, today, where he is . Its because he brilliantly, brilliantly branding all of his opponents. Lyin ted. Lowenergy bush. And brand eed his presidency. Little marco. And now in the space of a little few days, he has defined himself in front of the country now, the definition that he has carved out for himself, it depended on your point of view, could be fatal. Yeah. I think hes i will say what i said last week. Maybe he didnt mean it. Donald trump family members and campaign gurus. Youve got three to four weeks to turn this battleship around. Every day you waste makes it worse and harder. And the turnaround is more difficult and every day that your candidate goes out insulting speakers of the house and powerful people on the republican side, it becomes even harder. But maybe thats what they want. Coming up, maureen dowd imagines thursdays meeting between donald trump and paul ryan. Well be back with much more morning joe in just a second. Why do so many businesses rely on the Us Postal Service . Because when they ship with us, their business becomes our business. 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Oh, ive got to call it up here. Go ahead. Donald trump tweet. Donald trump just tweeted a minute ago, wow, i hear morningjoe has gone really hostile ever since i said i wont do or watch the show anymore. They misrepresent my positions what have we went wrong about . When did he say he wasnt going to watch the show . I must have missed that one. Maybe privately. Maybe he said it to himself. I bet he watches. Its a good show. You know what, he watches. He watches. Say hi to him. How you doing, donald . Its very funny when you say you dont watch the show. Keep it up. It makes us feel good that you tweet about us. You have like 8 million followers or 20 million. 8 million on twitter. I dont want know. But i can tell you, if you add in armed forces radio, right now 221 Million People watching morning joe right now. Its very impressive. So, anyway. He ill tell you this. Ill tell you this. The only way a republican can win for president , i believe, is if the press favors them in coverage and he had a chance to have better press coverage than Hillary Clinton. Hes missing that chance. Hes alienating a lot of people. Well, i dont think were that important. I think he can make a strong case for the fact that donald trump has marginalized the media like no other candidate has. He has, but i think you still need the general drift of things to be in your favori. You just do. The press is really powerful. Look at obama. Look at bush, though. Hes still at a time he needs to grow and get ready to move into the general election, he is just picking petty fights with people he shouldnt with fighting. Which, by the way, hurts him more than it hurts us. I had this twitter war with Elizabeth Warren, we found ourself caught in the middle. Hes in the middle of another war. Did another one just happen . No, thats with Elizabeth Warren. Well get that next. Well be right back. 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What have you seen in the campaign, the way its developing right now . I think the challenge is now that were on the big stage, its clearly trump against clinton, can donald trump perform on the big stage . Hows he doing right now . I think hes done certainly, i disagree with his politics. Hes done a masterful job to get himself to the stage, but can he perform . If you get into this whole personal stuff about bill clinton, if you get into twitter wars with people on the media, i mean, youre playing the margins. He needs to sell america on its got to be big. He is the change they claim they wanted. And to be dancing about with 20yearold sex scandals and fighting with tv hosts is really not addressing what he claimed he was running for. And not only that, i mean, over the weekend, he had one twitter war after another. He went after paul ryan. Had one with didnt he have one with you . I dont know. I forget, now. Oh, yeah, Elizabeth Warren. Im sorry. Weve got that here. I saw captain america civil war. It was far more significant than his tweets. Lets show you a twitter war that might be worth talking about that. War of words between donald trump and senator Elizabeth Warren, playing out on twitter after trump won the indiana primary last tuesday, warren tweeted, im going to fight my heart out to make sure Donald Trumps toxic stew of hatred and insecurity never reaches the white house. Warren also said, Trumps Campaign was built on, quote, racism, sexism, and xenophobia and that, quote, theres more enthusiasm for trump among the leaders of the kkk than leaders of the Political Party he now controls. On friday, trump responded, tweeting out, i hope corrupt Hillary Clinton chooses Goofy Elizabeth Warren as her running mate. I will defeat them both. He then continued hitting warren on the controversy over her native american ancestry, tweeting out, lets properly check Goofy Elizabeth Warrens records to see if she is native american. I say shes a fraud. Warren responded by tweeting, i called out donald trump on tuesday. 45 million saw it. Hes so confident about his counter punch, he waited until friday night. Lame. He also took on his nickname, writing, goofy, donald trump, for a guy with the best words okay, whats she doing engaging in this . I mean, listen, yes, donald, so its donalds fault. Donalds to blame. But what is she he started it but or, wait a minute. No, i think she did it. The larger issue, al sharpton just got to it. If youre going to a High School Graduation for your son or daughter in two or three weeks and wondering where theyre going to college, these tweets are meaningless. What happens when your kids come in and say, these are the people that want to run the free world. Maybe we dont cover tweets anymore. And we talk about social media and bullying on social media. Youre absolutely right. So if you have one of the top Democratic Senators and the Presumptive Republican nominee going back and forth and back and forth all weekend with mean tweets, what do you say to your kids . Bullying tweets. Your 14yearold daughter when she comes and says, whats happening . Well, all the people that are worried about the wages in terms of them not earning they want to earn, these are the reasons you tell people you want change, not because you get in these kind of spats. And i think thats where hes going to miss the mark, if he keeps doing this, because youve got to remember why people were generating towards you in the first place. Hes not supposed to make washington worse. Thats right. And in the back and forth with Elizabeth Warren, he looks thats why i dont know what your attitude is. I always had the attitude in politics and public work, i could take i could have one fight at a time. Just one fight, if i had to have a fight, i would have that fight, engage, and if other people blindsided me and said nasty things, i said, you know what, people can only take i dont want to look like im fighting the world, im going to take this one person on and move on. Here we are going into the general election, he is picking fights with everybody now, and its just. You cant swing at every pitch. Youve got to choose your fights and the ones that take you where you want to go. And this is the point in the campaign, hes supposed to be expanding out. Hes supposed to be reaching out. Hes supposed to be growing. Hes supposed to be making that massive pivot that he told mika he was going to make to the center to become more likable. All hes doing is fighting paul ryan. Fighting Elizabeth Warren fighting everybody. And its playing right into her hands. Shes going to talk about policy and about things like the cost of college and hes going to be talking about petty fights. The Clinton Campaign, since this became a presumptive fight, nomination, general election fight between the two of them, almost everything trump has done has played into hillary clintons hands. Almost everything andrea, what do you think . Well, i just think that his attacks over the weekend on bill clinton, the sex scandals, impeachment, Hillary Clinton as an alleged enabler, all of that is so powerful and such a huge rallying cry for his supporters, its rallying his base. But, boy, this has the potential to backfire bigtime if she is focusing on Economic Issues and doing it today with suburban women. Many of them republican in barbara comstacks district. The contrast is about a as zark stark as you can get it. Reverend al sharpton, thank you so much. No, no, you got to go . Coming up, how donald trump is spurring some conservative leaders to step back from the Republican Party. I bet thats alex khorasan that tried to get you off the set . I thought donald tweeted. 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Welcome back to morning joe. Its monday, the start of a new week. We have a clean slate here, right . Its kind of nice, right . I thought last week was kind of rough, but that might just be me. With us, we have msnbc contributor, mike barnacle, harold ford jr. , host of msnbcs politics nation and president of the National Action network, reverend al sharpton. And on capitol hill, political reporter for the Washington Post and msnbc political analyst, robert costa and senior Political Columnist for the National Journal and author of the book love that boy, which you have to get, ron fournier. Good to have you all on board this hour. So the rift, joe is on the phone, by the way, with a secret contact. The rift between the presumptive nominee for president and the republican speaker of the house seems to grow deeper by the day. Donald trump and paul ryan are set to meet this week, a meeting that comes after ryan said hes not ready to support trump. And at an event after event over the weekend, trump said ryans comments came as a surprise. Paul ryan, i dont know what happened. I dont know. And he, the other day, just in a big surprise. I didnt get paul ryan, i dont know what happened. I dont know. I dont know what happened. And, you know, he called me three weeks ago. We couldnt have had a nicer conversation. Thank you very much, donald, its great and well, you know, work together. Well, everythings fine. And then all of a sudden, he wants to be cute. Ive gotten tremendous endorsements. I didnt get it from ryan, though. T can you imagine . Paul ryan. Thats a hard one. I was very surprised and very disappointed, because, you know, you should be weve got to be cheerleaders for the Republican Party. We dont have to play cute. Its politics. Im never stunned by anything that happens in politics. So, yeah, i was blindsided a little bit. Because he spoke to me three weeks ago and it was a very nice call, a very encouraging call. I have a nice relationship with him, and then all of a sudden he gets on and does this number. So im not exactly sure what he has in mind. Hey, robert costa, you also have donald trump refusing to rule out blocking paul ryan from becoming the convention chairman, which is about as smart of a move as, you know, me going in and what would be a stupid stock to buy right now, harold . I cant say those things. You cant say that on the air . Let me just say, its a pretty stupid thing to do. We got it but go ahead, whats happening in this back and forth . Joe, youve written a lot about this in one of your books. What youre seeing in this divide and the divide that goes back 60 years, with william f. Buckley and Barry Goldwater in the 50s and 60s. We saw this movement of conservatism take ahold of the Republican Party. I think the Republican Party became intertwined with that movement of conservatism really for the past 60 years. Now were seeing that unraveling. Trump identifies as a republican, but not so much as a movement conservative. And paul ryan, the House Speaker, he wants to see that movement of conservatism still be at the fore of the gop. And ron fournier, al sharpton said it perfectly. Trumps done very well winning the republican primary, winning on that smaller stage. Hes now on the big stage now. Is he going to be able to raise his game . And so far this week, its been a miserable failure. Hes picked one fight after another and is now fighting the thirdranking official in the United States government, who happens to be the highest ranking republican. Yeah, first of all win noticed that donald just tweeted that he doesnt watch morning joe anymore, so i want to say, hey, donald, i know youre really watching. Exactly, hes watching. He cant pivot to the middle. The whole concept you can run one way in a primary election and another in a general is a gateway. The American Public knows, they can see through the bs now. They have their own access to media, they can form their own opinions. They really are intensely watching this campaign. So whether you like it or not as a republican, joe, youre stuck with the idea that your nominee is a guy who wants to ban muslims, who has said sexist things about women, who has said bigged things about hispanics. Who wants to build a wall. You can talk all you want about how to pivot to the middle. Your partys now stuck with him. The thing is, though, i think paul ryan, soon after i said i wasnt ready to support the guy until he actually backed off the muslim ban, three or four hours later, paul ryan said the same thing. And herold ford, i mean have been if he backs off, what good does that do, joe . You cant back off that statement. He now owns it. He would have to he backed off the minimum wage deal. If he but nobodys going to believe it. You cant back away from stuff like that now. You cant be a flipflopper. You know, which position are you going to believe . The one he held three weeks ago or the one he claims to believe now. My gosh, if you want to do that, you have to go back to him supporting partial birth abortion. Youve got to go back to him supporting an assault weapons ban. You have to go back to hum supporting Hillary Clinton. There are a lot of issues to go back to. And weve said all along and ive said all along, the guys more of a democrat than a republican. In fairness to rons point, we have a history of people doing this. Sure im 45 and will be 46 this week. But reagan picked busch, kennedy picked johnson, it was not a great relationship there from the outset. Kerry picked edwards. They had their tension, but you have a history of this happening. The curious thing to me with donald trump, it seemed like everybody gave him a softball of a throw here in the beginning. But all he said to say, i understand people are still riled up about the primary. The language got a little tough and rough as they do in primaries and im looking forward to sitting down with republicans but pauls language. Paul gave him that opportunity. And for him to come out and be thats where rons point comes in, it underscores perhaps rons point that the american public is now not going to be able to look at trump and divorce him from some of the comments earlier in the campaign. Thats when it becomes really but i think what you had addressed in the question, joe, is what i was responding to. Is its one thing to say, are you going to flipflop on policy . Which we all agree is a hard curve. Its another to look petty. I mean, now youre getting into petty back and forward with tv hosts and paul ryan, for what ryan didnt say. Ryan took a big view that really looked like he was trying to narrow into how hays going to endorse him. Exactly but its like, if youre not cheerleading me, im gonna attack you. So people, even your followers, have to start saying, wait a minute, is this guy big enough to be president. And hillarys playing big picture here. Shes playing president ial. When paul ryan makes a statement that he makes, and it is very clear that hes saying, im not there now, but im going move in that direction. And i look forward to working with him and we have a meeting set up next week, it is very clear hes going to get there. If donald trump thinks that if donald trump thinks that he can browbeat paul ryan, so it looks like hes intimidated paul ryan, he should raid the beginning of tip oneils book. Yeah. When tip oneil got pissed off because jimmy carter did not pay him the proper respect. And tip oneil talked about having to watch inaugural activities from the top row of the balcony and tip never forgot it and he was never jimmy carters ally even though they were in the same Political Party. So maureen dowd imagines how the meeting between trump and ryan will go. She writes, in part, this. Paul ryan and donald trump sit down at Republican National Committee Headquarters on capitol hill to hash out a couple little things, like whos running the party and whos the actual republican. Welcome to washington, donald, ryan says, shaking hands with the presumptuous nominee. Reince says, youre far more gracious in private than in public. Thanks for not calling me lyin ryan. I never use the same adjective twice, trump replies coolly. As you know, i do have killer instincts. Thats how i knocked out a 16 losers. So lets try out a few names for kicks. Pious paul, pompous paul, backstabbing lyin paul . A lot of possibilities to choose from. I know thats not how its going to go. We will be reporting the next morning that not that they have a deal, but that it went well and theyre going to work together. Blah blah blah. Not so fast. Bob costa. The differences go far deeper than something that can just be brokered over a meeting and a personality. This is a candidate, a frontrunner in donald trump, who on social security, as opposed to the direction ryan wants to go in, who on Foreign Policy is a noninterventionist. Ryan is more of an internationalist. Trumps open to renegotiating his tax plan. Ryans a strict supplysider on economics. This is not just about temperament. This is about the future of the Republican Party on policy as well. And paul ryan has his sights set on the presidency in 2020. Hes got people like paul singer around him, supporting him. Other mitt romney people around him supporting him, getting ready for his 2020 run. Theyre not going to be thrilled if ryan jumps on board with a guy who says, i want to raise taxes, which donald trump did over the weekend. Whos come out saying, we need higher minimum wage, despite what i said before. We need trade wars. Im going to support protectionism. All as robert costa just said, all the things that paul ryan and his supporters oppose. If ryan just quickly jumps into bed with him, that hurts ryan in 2020. Im not convinced that trump needs it. If youre trump, you go in and get ryan to say, im now ready to endorse him. I dont think they need a longterm relationship here. Theyre looking for a good first date, maybe a second date. And move on. But you have donald saying he could strip ryan of his chairmansh chairmanship. Im not here to give donald trump advice. If i were advising him hes watching, so go ahead. Make sure the speaker is ahead of the convention and lets move on and get back to the message that and get back to talking about the things that got us going here in the campaign. Again, hes not asking me what i think. Robert costa, whats the potential for a massive platform fight in cleveland . Theres definitely potential, but the Republican National committee members that set the platform, a lot of them are veteran activists, and trump himself has said publicly that he doesnt want to tinker too much with the actual platform, hes willing to work with the party. That could be something he offers. He doesnt want to touch it, unless it comes to an issue like trade or immigration that are really at the heart of his campaign. Some more Top Republican names say they will stay on the bench for coming general election, while others are adding their voice of o support for donald trump. Congressman lynn west moreland says, quote, i honestly dont understand what pauls thinking, i dont get it. I try not to give advice to the speaker, but i think it brought about in my opinion even more confusion to this thing. And dick cheney and bob dole both say they will support trump. Bobby jindal said he will vote for trump, quote, warts and all, adding, i think recollecting donald trump would be the second worst thing we could do this november. Better only than electing Hillary Clinton. Senator pat toomey was more circumspect, writing, quote, like many pennsylvanians, im not pleased with the two choices we have. As a republican elected official, i am inclined to support the nominee of my party. That said, trump is different from previous nominees. There could come a point at which the differences are so great as to be irreconcilable. I hope that doesnt happen. That is a tough position to be in. But the thing is, if youre on the ballot, youve got the choice of offending swing voters or offending your base. Because in pennsylvania, pennsylvania is the the center soft pendell is ground zero for trump support. If youre pat toomey, you have a choice to make. Youve got philadelphia and pittsburgh and alabama in the middle. Yeah. You have john mccain with a problem. I mean, john mccain has said privately how this is going to be the race of his life in arizona. And i think trump needs to be concentrating on those things, rather than getting inside fights. Because hes got to get these guys, really o bring out his vote and what hes done successfully over the weekend, everybody has stopped talking about the fight with Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders and now theyre dealing with his little fights that hes instigated. A wise young man once told me when i was younger, he says, if you see somebody standing going over the cliff, back up. Dont turn what would be a suicide into what looks like a homicide. He should step back and let the democrats keep fighting. But what hes done is make himself in these little fights like ryan and everybody the story. Robert costa, you report offered the weekend about some conservative leaders stepping back from the gop now that donald trump is the presumptive nominee. And you write in part this, the extraordinary resistance of many figures on the right this past week to trump has not been prompted merely by objections to his temper skpmt fears about his electability in november, at the core has been a calculation by selfidentified Movement Conservatives that they would rather preserve their entrenched ideological project then promote a nominee that they believe would violate their creed and ethos. Its a crisis, says al cardinist, a former member of the american conservative union, who is withholding support for trump. A movement can survive the loss of an election cycle, but it cant survive the loss of its purpose. Thats what were battling here. What does that open the door for . If youre a selfidentified conservative, someone who associates yourself with the movement thats grown over the past few decades, this is a crisis. And thats been a based on our reporting, my colleague, phil rucker and i, really sense a lot of conservatives willing to leave the Republican Party, to burn their registration card, to sign up as an independent. Some of them say theyll sit out and come back. Others say theyll never come back because of donald trump, but there is another group that says conservatives have to be paying attention to the trump movement. Someone even like william jay bennett. He says the gop has to do a better job in its Leadership Class of welcoming these new voters and understanding this populist insurgency. So ron fournier, we begin with donald trump fighting a 12front war. Hillary clinton keeping her head down. Talking policy. And talking policy. Donald trump flipflopping on several issues. Do you Mark Halperin and i were talking about how he has three to four weeks to turn this thing around. You say you dont think he can do it . I say he cant do it by socalled pivoting to the middle and changing positions and becoming something hes not. He is who he is and it got him this far and his only hope is to somehow change the electorate in such a dramatic way with his current policies. You cant be something youre not nowadays. You just cant. So do you think he can find enough voters to beat Hillary Clinton . Its impossible. Impossible under the current map, the current electorate. He would have to really shake things up in a way that i cant see, but i didnt see the nomination coming originally. I do know, there are a lot of voters out there, a lot of americans out there who havent voted. Maybe he can draw them out. Maybe the Democratic Base doesnt come out. Its hard to see. The bigger store here is two numbers. 65 and 55. Thats the disapproval rating of donald trump, 55 , and 65 for Hillary Clinton. This is the best our two parties were able to proos. I know we have to go to break, but if youve got one person with 65 disapproval rating and another isnt now the time for an independent third party run . If youve got two people that the majority of americans disagree with . It is, but its too little. Why is it too late . How do you get on the ballot . As an example, today is the deadline in texas, if you want to be on the ballot, you need almost 80,000 signatures. Its too late this cycle to win. But if the time is right to do it in the next couple of cycles, it should have been done this cycle. These parties both need to be blown up and rebuilt. At least one of them will go away in the next couple of cycles. My friend matthew dowd likes to say, its like two dinosaurs. The meteor has struck much closer to the Republican Party, but its going to hit both of them. Reverend al sharpton. I tried to get the scarborough third party ticket. All that wall street money. Do you need taxes . Yeah. Reverend al sharpton, thank you very much. 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I cant tell you how many medical authorities tell me, weve bought the book and are distributing it. The importance of communication was unanticipated and most gratifying, as well. Wonderful. Will congratulations on the book being out in paperback. One of the things with reference to cancer we dont speak enough about, not just here, but throughout the media, is the advances, the nearly daily advances in combatting this disease. Parade magazine references one case, lori alfs case, multiple myeloma. Frank lolly had multiple myeloma diagnosed about a year before i did and he became a guide for me when i got it. I got in touch with him, and hes been interested as i have been in whats going on in what they call immunotherapy. Thats the new game and thats going to be the delivery, the golden age is about to come. And what theyre doing is taking your own cells and reenergying them and reinserting them. In this case, taking white cells, reengineering them and becoming cancer hunters. And she took her cells and wind them out. There was a woman down for the count. They said, weve got one more shot. Were going to give you a megadose of measles vaccination, 10,000 times the normal vaccination. She said, ill take it, im going to die if i dont. She went in, hallucinated, got a terrible temperature. That was 6 00 at night, by noon the next day, the cancer was gone. And shes living a normal life. Now, its not pitchperfect at this point. These are trials that are off the books, so to speak, that the patients are willing to do. How did it change you when you found out you had cancer . How did it change you . Or did it . Of course it did. And it never goes away. Thats the thing. You get up every morning and think, ive got cancer. Ive got to deal with it today. Ive had the last four or five days a really severe bronchitis condition. It lowered my resistance, this cancer did and i have to be on guard against infection. I was at home popping a lot of pills. Im on chemo right now. I got up this morning and took 1,5 1,500 of revlamid and i will be doing that for the rest of my life. Im constantly aware of what its like to have cancer. And the last couple of years, im part of a club i didnt expect to join. Ive recently had an admiral in the United States navy that i met on the uss stennis, multiple myeloma now and he came to see me. The defensive ends coach for the Dallas Cowboys has multiple myeloma. Were in touch. And then outside multiple myeloma, up with of the most traumatic experiences of my life was that i had a young friend, that was like a member of our family, our two families had been together in a lot of things, he was diagnosed with a severe form of Gastric Cancer and it made us even closer, because we understood each other about fatigue and the constant presence of cancer. And he was so heroic and so brave and so uncomplaining, and he didnt make it. At less than he was not yet 50. Ill never forget him. Ill never forget the lessons of him and what he brought to my life as we talked to each other about what its like to go through this. And then you expand it to the cancer universe and there are two, i always say, two populations. Those who have it, those who dont. Those who dont have it can be sympathetic. Cant be empathetic until you have it, until it comes into your family. Then you really understand whats going on here. Having said all of that, theres so much bravery out there and so much extraordinary work thats being done on cancer, and its part of the reality of our lives. Whats the greatest lesson youve learned that you can try to convey to people that dont have it . Well, two things. Dont take anything for granted. I had the luckiest life of anybody you can imagine. I still do, in my judgment. The other thing is, you have to be very aggressive about being your own advocate when you get cancer. In my case, i had a wonderful daughter as an er physician. She asked the right questions. She would send stuff to me that we need to know about that and be on the phone calls with me. I now tell Cancer Patients, you must know a doctor who may not be a cancer specialist, but know the culture of medicine. Get them on your team, ask them, what should i be asking . What are they talking about here . And ive heard back from a lot of Cancer Patients that thats been very helpful to me. The paperback edition of toms book, a lucky life interrupted is is out tonight. Tom brokaw, thank you very much for coming here. Thank you for being here. Generally, weve been talking about whats been happening over the weekend with the election, donald trump seeming to be sw g swinging at just about everything that gets within his range. Do you see in what happened over this weekend a man thats not able to make the move to the big stage . Its moperplexing to me. The big message from the country is, we want you to get along. Republican or democrat, we want you to be able to talk to each other. Get things done in washington. Theres no question hell get the nomination was he went out there and earned it, but its not the vast majority of the American People who are for him both at the polls and in the polling places. And for him to just punch out paul ryan the way that he has, to have sarah palin to be saying paul ryan has no career now, that its over for him. Says someone with no career now. You know, its just astonishing to me when the big, big lesson is, find a way to get together and find Common Ground on getting things done. They will, in their meeting. This is all buildup. And in the course of the campaign, hes said some things that were just blatantly not true. Hes never been held accountable for it, so many of them, and the things hes said. Having said all of that. He did touch a big nerve out there and ran a campaign that no one at this table or in the political world expected him to do as well as he has. But all factors in life for about, how do you adjust to the reality of where you are next, how youre going to deal with the next phase of this. And were now in the next phase. And if he keeps punching out the people in his own party in the way that he has, i dont see how thats going to help him. I just dont. Hes going to ole miss this saturday to give the commencement address. You going down to ole miss this weekend . Pardon me . Im going to ole miss this weekend. Hottie totty, baby. What a great place to go. Curtis wilkes going to translate. Thank you, tom. Coming up, president obamas commencement speech that had some Senate Republicans sche s cheering. Well explain that, straight ahead. I was enjoying life, i was working. It was too long since my last pap. When i was finally tested, we thought i might have cervical cancer. 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President obama addressed graduates at Howard University on saturday, one of the oldest, historically black universities in the nation. In his speech, he discussed Voting Rights and delivered a message that appeared to be aimed at activists, with black lives matter. This is the only advanced democracy on earth that goes, goes out of its way to make it difficult for people to vote. Even if we dismantled every barrier to vote, that alone would not change the fact that america has some of the lowest voting rates in the free world. In 2012, nearly two in three africanamericans turned out. And then in 2014, only two in five turned out. You dont think that made a difference in terms of the congress ive got to deal with . And then people are wondering, well, how come obama hasnt gotten this done. How come he didnt get that done. What would have happened if you have turned out at 50, 60, 70 , all across this country. People try to make this political thing really complicated. Im like, well, what kinds of reforms do we need . And how do we need to do that . You know what . Just vote theres been a trend around the country of trying to get colleges to disinvite speakers with different point of view. Or disrupt a politicians rally. Dont do that. No matter how ridiculous or offensive you might find the things that come out of their mouths, because as my grandmother used to tell me, every time a fool speaks, they are just advertising their own ignorance. Let them talk. But listen. Engage. If the other side has a point, learn from them. If theyre wrong, rebut them, teach them, beat them on the battle field of ideas. Good for him good for him mike bloomberg, too same thing i like it. Im telling you, people that are not willing to listen to people who dont agree with them in speeches and interrupting, its just to the point of disrupting. Yeah. I mean rude. Its not only rude, it just shows how shallow you are and how scared you are of your own argument. Youre afraid. Youre scared to let the other side get their message out in a speech. You need protected spaces. By the way, you look at people like lagarde, condi rice, and others who have been disinvited to universities. That is the shame of Higher Education. Ray kelly at brown university. Come on that is the shame of Higher Education that they have kowtowed to people that are speech police, speech terrorists, not letting letting people on both sides of the aisle come, speak, and share their experiences with graduates. Thats what its supposed to be all about. Its one of the many great shames of Higher Education. I think its a shame in politics we almost encourage this behavior. And the university is reacting, i think they can be stronger. But media, politicians, everyone has to make a note, theres nothing wrong with hearing the other side. It strengthens your hard makes you better. It absolutely makes you better. 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Once the country of promise, america now lags behind many of its first world rivals on measures of economic mobility and has spawned an aristocracy. The dream of america was, a kid can get back from world war ii, buy a small house out on long island, get married, have two or three kids. Live comfortably in the middle class. Mika and i were talking about it this weekend. There was even the dream in se, the 50s . 60s, of kids in pennsylvania saying, im not going to be in the steel mills like my dad. Im going to get out of these steel mills and im going to go to college. The steel mills arent even there anymore. The dream is collapsing. The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. How do we turn that around . Everybodys kind of missed the point. I think its a crucial message. Weve become something of an aristocra aristocracy. The American Dream was a dream where we all get ahead. We can all have a chance to get ahead. Our kids did better than we did. Pardon me . Our kids did better than we did. That was the dream. And people dont believe it anymore. Because its not true. I think theyre smarter than a lot of the intelligenceya, is what it is. They figured it out and its absolutely crucial to turn it around. And i think in part, i think that was 2012. I think part of the appeal of donald trump is precisely the sense that people have that somehow hes going to make a difference in that respect. What are the answers . I say that the idea of mobility, even equality, you can call it socialist if you want, but there are two ways back. One way back is roughly more of the same or dig if deeper, which is Bernie Sanders, and i call that socialist means to socialist ends. And i think the proper response is capitalist means to socialist ends. I think the way to do it is to realize that all of the barriers to mobility are barriers that have been erected by our bad schools. Supposed to be an elevator to the middle class. The elevator is broken. And an immigration system that imports immobility. Whatever you think about it, we are more immobile by virtue of our immigration policy. Nobody else is like that. Go deeper. What do you mean by that . Yeah, thats interesting. What i mean is that the immigrants will earn less than native americans and the children of immigrants will earn less than the children of native americans and that goes on to the third generation. So were importing immobility in that respect. And inequality. And inequality. And if youre one of americas aristocrats, this is great, because youre bringing in maids and gardeners, but in other countries, theyre looking at bringing people into the economy that make native americans, native canadians better off. My best example is canada takes in a greater number of economic migrants than the u. S. And by virtue of that, canada can afford to have a really nice, decent policy as to syrian refugees. And its not an issue. Its 20 foreign born. A lot more foreign born people up there and its not a political issue. And why . Because theyre looking at native canadians. Should Washington Play a role in fixing our broken educational system, or just the states and local . Mostly states and local. The budget of the department of education is Something Like 60 billion. I would give it back to the states. Forget about washington telling people what to do. Give it to the states. And i dont like Strings Attached to things, but i have might have Strings Attached to states and give the money to states that provide for vouchers. Talk about the politically connected enemies of promise. I like that. Im from washington. I look across the hill and its all there. And ive been active in the community in various ways. And i have a friend of mine who says were moving towards something called corporate fascism. I dont believe that, but theres a smidgen of truth to make you think about that. I think whats happening. Again, this is part of the appeal of trump, is theres something new in american politics. The old left right distinctions seem to be fading. And whats replacing them is a virtue of corruption access. Thats exactly what was going on in 1976. The brits were corrupt. They were really corrupt at the time. And the patriots said, we can do better. Assist little like 1776 in that respect. So thats something that the republicans should be picking up. The book is, the way back. F. H. Buckley, thank you very much for being on the show. Straight ahead, against all odds. Perhaps the most incredible championship in sports as lester city officially takes home the hardware. Roger bennett is next. The intelligent, allnew audi a4 is here. Aint got time to make no apologies. Prge a manufacturer. Well thats why i dug this out for you. Its your grandpappys hammer and he would have wanted you to have it. It meant a lot to him. Yes, ge makes powerful machines. 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Roger bennett, ive been trying to explain how massive this is. Why dont you do it. English sports. Economic might in the board room. Off the field determines success. They buy success. Theres no salary cap, no draft, no parody mechanism. For a tiny team with no history of success from a tiny town to rise up and not just win one game like the miracle on ice or march madness, but we have to take on david, goliath, seabiscuit in cleats. Coming together with incredible spirit and defying the odds. Its a modern miracle. You love miracles. Walking on water. The parting of the red sea. Thats exactly what were seeing. Theyre playing a game nobody else does. They just want to counter attack like tcu. Its Liberty University winning the Football College and even Andrea Bocelli popped in. Its like being Barry Manilow sing copacabana. On this day, miracle is a waking dream. Talk about the payroll. Compare it to man city, to chelsea. The gentleman that just scored 24 goals this season. He was playing nonleague football, six divisions below. He was working in a plastics factory. Hes the player of the year. A nasty piece of work. Nobody can stop him. Like stockton and malone. Nobody can stop them. Thats what Leicester City have done. Andy king making it 20. Theyve been drinking 24 hours a day for five days and they still dominated this game. They have the bare sweat of champions. This is a waking dream. Seabiscuit in cleats. What a story. Its incredible. Its fun. Is there anything like this in the history of sport . You talk about buster douglas. That was one fight. You talk about great shots in march madness. Six great games. The thing here is to understand the economics off the field. Tiny payrolls. This team a year ago were on the brink of being kicked out. The teams thats traditionally do well, chelsea, man u. , did they have bad seasons . There was an external reality. Hes like jim harbaugh trapped. They all blinked at the same time. Well never see that again. Was this a fluke. Theres so much money in the premier league. So much television. Even the small teams have so much compare their money to man u. s. Compare their money. Whats their payroll . About 58 million. Thats one player. Manchester, i nig eer united more in the last two years roger when you say roger like that. Are you working on a movie . I am, 2 00. The Leicester City. Well play game by game by game. Oh, thats going to be great. Can we get a pirated advanced copy. I will say, my movie is amazing because its true. But hollywood currently has the Leicester City movie in the works. Claudio youll get us a pirated of the documentary. I want to see the doc. Are there any love scenes in there. In the movie . Of course. My love for this Leicester City story. It drips all over the movie. Nudity. My nudity. Occasionally ill take my shirt off. Roger, dont do that. First time winning a championship . Claudio renieri. 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And associate editor of the Washington Post and msnbc political analyst, euGene Robinson. Great group. Before we do the read, whats going on . Whats going on out there . Theres just a lot of battle lines being drawn, and i think they are fake. I think this whole trump ryan thing is so they can meet this week come together and blah, blah, blah. Donald trump said said im getting tired. That he would consider stripping paul ryans chairmanship of the Republican National committee. Do they have a meeting this week . To me, the week is encapsulated by the following. Trump could lose the entire election in the next month if he doesnt get his act together. N we talked to a bunch of liberal democrats who say hillary cant win. The country is divided over this election and what the possible outcome is. Why is donald trump attacking paul ryan when paul ryan said something last week that we all thought, at least i said, hey, trump said the right thing. Ryan said the right thing. They come together. Its actually symbolic of something much bigger. Then trump this weekend goes out and hammers him even more. Because he wants to go into the meeting in a position of strength. He doesnt have that much strength. Donald trump i dont think donald trump can tolerate what ryan said. Get in line. Then he cant tolerate running for president. Thats right. He should go back to reality tv if you cant handle that . The art of the deal ryan has said youre not good enough for me to endorse. Thats not what he said. He said im not ready right now but i look forward to it. Dont distort what paul ryan said. Think that would normally happen . A guy this isnt a normal year. Hes won more votes on track to win more votes than any previous republican nominee and the speaker of the house rather than doing what Mitch Mcconnell or anyone else has done says ill wait and see. Donald trump also has offended more people in his party than any presumptive nominee. Higher disapproval ratings than any cand sdat idate ever to run president of the United States. Paul ryan saying im not ready right now, but im thinking about it. It was a very clear sign for anybody who is not stupid, for anybody that didnt just start practicing politics nine months ago, for anybody that has a brain okay, be nice. And knows how to read other politicians, it was a sign. Im not here now puim going to meet you and were going to meet in the middle. But ive got to say this. If he cant handle paul ryan in negotiations like this without blowing it up, what is he going to do when he starts negotiating with people across the world . If he cant handle this paul ryan negotiation any better than this. You reference the art of the deal with regard to donald trump. Joe referenced the art of politics which is the art of governance. Donald seems to come to the table first of all, playing on a much bigger stage now than three weeks ago. A much bigger stage. He is the nominee for president of the United States by a Major Political party, the Republican Party. So now everything he says has to be measured against, you know, do you let someone take 10 , 20 when youre negotiating . You have to give the other person some sense you didnt entirely lose everything. Paul ryan knows thou do that. Donald trump apparently wants everything. The best i can tell, ryan didnt give trump a headsup. How about that . You know, it doesnt matter. It is Donald Trumps party to bring together now. Paul ryan, theres nothing paul ryan said that was offensive. I dont know if you are angling for an interview here or not but this is pretty straightforward. This is straightforward. Paul ryan was moving in that direction. Im just answering the question, why did trump do what he did. Paul ryan announced this without calling him. Hes the nominee of the party and ryan says he wants to support him. Call him. I will bet you something very nice that the meeting will end up well and this is just battle lines being drawn to step up the drama. I never bet on what i cover, but i dont think youre right. I would have predicted this last week. At event after event over the weekend, trump says ryans comments came as a surprise. Paul ryan, i dont know what happened. And he the other day just did a big i didnt get paul ryan. I dont know what happened. I dont know what happened. He called me three weeks ago. We couldnt have had a nicer conversation. Thank you very much, donald. Its great. Well work together. Everything is fine. And then all of a sudden, he wants to be cute. Ive gotten tremendous endorsements. I didnt get it from ryan, though, paul ryan. Thats a hard one. Hes making everyone boo him wherever he goes. Heres a funny thing. Paul ryan is going to be speaker of the house. You knew tip and people that run the house. Good luck getting anything through the house of representatives. Its funny for donald. He can do that to ben carson and he can do that to mike huckabee. Good luck doing that to the speaker of the house. Trump also declined to rule out blocking ryan from becoming the convention chairman. And that call hes referring to, the Speakers Office says that never hand and the last time the two spoke was march. We have some other guests. Andrea mitchell, have you ever seen a nominee, a presumptive nominee going after somebody in as powerful a position as the speaker . Not that i can recall. I just think that i just think it was a mistake. And you could argue, i was talking to some republicans yesterday who said ryan probably should have waited until after the meeting before laying down those lines, but he wanted to see whether donald trump would step back from the muslim ban or some of the other positions hed taken. He is seriously troubled im told by some of the things he said. And paul ryan is a traditional, fiscal conservative. Hes a reagan republican. And nothing that donald trump has said explains what he would do about budget deficits and what he said on friday on cnbc is really extraordinary and probably should get more attention. Were going to get to thats. Where he said the United States of america is not going to make good on its debt if it doesnt feel like it. We have a lot to get to. Is he suggesting we become greece . Is that it was stunning. I dont know what he does but we as americans pay our debt and continue to be the safe haven for investment across the globe. The country does. Exactly. JeGene Robinson, isnt this time trump is supposed to be bringing the party together. They were, dont worry, hes going to be more rational the second he wins the primary. Its the opposite. Hes going after paul ryan, getting everybody to boo paul ryan. Because you said the phrase. His party. Donald trump, i believe, thinks this is his party now. He won. He beat them all. They didnt support him and he beat them all. Why should he go hat in hand to paul ryan. Now you mentioned the reason. If he were to become president , and he were to like want to pass a piece of legislation, he would need the speaker of the house and that would be a problem. However, i do understand, you know, trumps position. Whats he going to do now . Take it all back. Say oh, im just a conventional republican . I think he believes that wouldnt work for him and so hes just going to weve got to do this my way is his view. Then theres this with his primary opponents out of the way, donald trump is focusing on his likely general election opponent Hillary Clinton. While he hit her on the issues, he also raised eyebrows for personal attacks. He did that right away. Trump cited a report from last month that a superpac supporting clinton is going to begin a 90 Million Ad Campaign against him. Trump said the ads were largely focussing on him and women. So he made this connection over the weekend. Hillary clinton just ordered 90 million worth of hit ads on donald trump and its hit ads on donald trump and women. In the history of politics, Hillary Clintons husband abused women more than any man that we know of in the history of politics, right . Have you ever read what Hillary Clinton did to the women that bill clinton had affairs with . Do you remember the famous, i did not have sex with that woman and then a couple of months later, im guilty. He was impeached for lying about what happened with a woman. And shes going to take ads about little donald trump. I dont know. I dont think so. Shes playing the womans card so much and so loud. Shes going to get hit for it because its not appropriate. She was an unbelievably nasty, mean enabler, and what she did to a lot of those women is disgraceful. So put that in her bonnet and lets see what happens, okay . If she didnt play the womens card, shed have no charnnce, i mean zero, of winning. Did you hear that donald trump raised his voice while speaking to a woman . Oh, im sorry. Im sorry. I mean all of the men, were petrified to speak to women anymore. The women get it better than we do, folks. They get it better than we do. If she didnt play that card, she has nothing. So mika, it begins. Hillary Clintons Campaign responded yesterday in a statement saying, quote, in a week in which donald trump casually suggested destabilizing the entire u. S. Economy and cited his attendance at Miss Universe paggent in russia as proof of his Foreign Policy experience, of course hell try and change the subject. Hillary clinton doesnt care what he says about her. She will continue to call him out for his outrageous positions and divisive comments. I like the irony there of accusing donald trump of trying to change the subject. You know what that subject is trying to do . Change the subject. I think the Clinton Campaign is being pretty brilliant here in a guttural way. Get all this out. Go after him. Let him start spewing all this stuff now. Get it over with because its going to happen. No way to avoid it. So lets go. Hes going to do it nonstop. What was roger stones quote that everybody is going to know. Theyre going to do this. At some point it will look like bullying. Its the second week in may. Its going to be like following the death march, this campaign. This is going to take us right down right to the bottom. Andrea, ive got to believe that Paul Manafort understands, as we were saying on thursday or friday, donald trump doesnt have long. He has a very short, small window to turn things around with hispanics, with women, with the groups that right now hes just on the wrong side of history on with demographics. And yet it looks like hes just going back to his playbook from the early republican primary instead of being positive and starting to reach out to hispanics. Nothing that he did this weekend does anything but harden battle lines anymore and drive his negatives and possibly Hillary Clintons negatives up even more. Absolutely. Hes playing to white male voters but there just arent enough white men out there in the general election universe to win this election, unless everybody, every minority voter stays home. She today, Hillary Clinton, going out to cover her in loudoun county. An area where there are a lot of republican and independent women. Shes going after the suburban women, many of them republicans. And you have them in bedroom communities around every big city and all across this country. Thats whom shes counting on. And its not necessarily going to be an easy lift because shes got a long history and he is humanizing her and bringing all this other stuff up. Those comments he was making. You think those are appealing to male white voters . Because i think thats potentially a message younger women could connect with . That is one point. When he says you men, women get it all and you men are the ones taking the back seat, thats part of what he was saying in the spokane appearance. Saying that men are disadvantaged. Lets talk about the issues. Yes, donald trump took on clintons policy positions with a new broad side on guns. Clinton hit trump for his Foreign Policy rhetoric and questioned his understanding of the economy. Hillary clinton wants to abolish the second amendment. She wants to abolish it. Hillary clinton wants to take your guns away and she wants to abolish the second amendment. She wants to take the bullets away. You tell me thats something we can live with. Were going to cherish the second amendment. Were going to take care of the success amendment. I dont see donald trump having any coherent Foreign Policy. He kind of makes statements that i find concerning, whether its about Nuclear Weapons or torture or anything else. So i think the burden is really on him to try to make a case why when youve had 70 years of american policy under both republicans and democrats trying to prevent the proliferation, Nuclear Weapons, he is so cavalier, even reckless and dangerous. On Foreign Policy, Hillary Clinton is trigger happy. Shes got a bad temperament. By the way and her husband learned that a few times, didnt he . But shes trigger happy. You look what she did. Iraq, libya. She voted for iraq. Lets go into iraq. Im not going to run an ugly race. Im going to run a race based on issues and what my agenda is for the American People. I dont really feel like im running against donald trump. I feel like im running for my vision of what our country can be. Wow. What a contrast. Well done on her part. What a contrast. Mark halperin if you are Hillary Clintons camp you cant hope for a better contrast of donald trump shouting all weekend like hes running against ben carson in South Carolina in august. Is there nobody around donald trump that can say, hey, donald, the primary is over. White male voters voted for you. Supposed to pivot. Are you going to keep talking like its august of 2015 . Who is around this guy that can tell him that . Those clips are what mike suggested. Were in a different phase. The Clinton Campaign is locked and loaded. They know what they want to do week to week, month to month. You say were in a difference phase. Donalds exactly where donald was. He did some he changed his positions on minimum wage and taxes, but even thats executed in a sloppy way. This guy and his team have a todo list of 10,001 elements on it and theyre doing nothing. By the way, they get all this Political Nuclear waste out there. This is the time theyre supposed to be cleaning it up. Hes out there creating more waste. The chernobyl of capitol hill and pick a fight with the speaker of the house and spin this entire weekend talking about bill clintons affairs in the 1990s instead of actually doing cleanup operations. Being quiet. Showing youre a steady hand. Starting to plan on winning the general election. If trump loses or gets blown out, the next three weeks or so will be looked at as history where they didnt react to the fact they had 10,001 things to do. They arent doing them nearly fast enough because theyre creating new problems. New problems, new wars. This is what i said after iowa. He was freaking out after iowa. If he didnt focus on New Hampshire that was in front of him, he was going to lose it and lose everything. He turned it around. Right now hes wildly out of control. I wonder if he thought, hey, everybody. This is a mistake every politician makes. Barack obama made it. Every president that walks in that people didnt think was going to win they thought, well, everybody was against me from the beginning and everybody said i couldnt win from the beginning. So now im not going to listen to anything anybody says because im powerful and mighty and smarter than anybody else in the world. Hes going around and doing the stupidest things if he wants to win the general election. To joes point, weve seen for the past several months is an intersquad scrimmage. Hillary clinton is now playing in the world series. Donald trump is clearly not. To joes point, who around donald trump is advising him that he would listen to, or is it still all donald, all the time . His kids and Paul Manafort. Hell listen to them. Look what we had this weekend. Are they suggesting thats great. That was a great weekend. Too much for them to do. His kids and Paul Manafort. They didnt want him to do that this weekend. I think they were probably 3,000 miles away from where he was. This guy was on his own this weekend. They could be losing the election right now. If he doesnt get his you know what together over the next three weeks, hes going to lose the election and he wont be able to turn it around. This is something Gene Robinson we said last week. Hes got a very short window to turn the ship around or all will be lost. You ever see the Robert Redford movie all is lost . Hes going to be writing that note and throwing it out into the water pretty soon. Thats entirely possible, joe. Look. He managed also this week, and andrea mentioned it, to say what its hard to use a superlative. Could be the most irresponsible thing said so far in this whole campaign which is what he said about the debt. That the u. S. Is not going to repay its debt obligation. A certain amount on the dollar which is exactly, we want to be greece. The United States as the most reliable place to put your money. Thats an essential truth about todays world that has to be maintained or we or potentially goes down the tube. Its just ridiculous. An unbelievable thing to say. And as far as i know, he hasnt taken it back or hasnt corrected it. But you can just imagine the impact of that on a general election. Still ahead uber and lyft are said to pull out of one of the most tech savvy markets in america. Inside the milliondollar war that saw the cab competitors on the losing end. Plus, Hillary Clinton is crushing the field when it comes to raising money from wall street. Chris jansing joins us with new reporting on where the money is coming from and going this year. Youre watching morning joe. Well be rooiight back. Why do some cash back cards keep thring obstacles at you . First they limit where you earn bonus cash back. Then those places change every few months . I think ill pass. Quicksilver from capital one puts nothing in your way. 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And the notion he has to bow down to paul ryan and to all of these other republicans who he sees as a total disconnect from the voters who supported him, and they are off in washington reading their, you know, conservative journals and getting their policy papers from think tanks and sitting in committee. It galls him. And the idea that somehow like right away, right after he sealed the nomination hes supposed to bow down and ask for their support. Its one of the many things that a process you have to go through. So galling. You know what youd call that . Politics. The morning after. The morning after my first race it was a dirty race. My opponent just killed me. Spent all of this money. The morning after i called her up. I didnt attack her but i called her up and said i shouldnt have won this. This guy is a dealmaker. He got the big prize. Had to go through all this with these 16 other guys, slaying them left and right. Now hes got to deal with paul ryan, i dont know. The day after when ive always politically at my strongest, thats when i start reaching out and i go you are smarter than me, better on the stump than me. So telling hes still going and doing these rallies. The pivot he said its very important to go to spokane and talk to those people in spokane and use the material. But thats his comfort zone. His comfort zone, but he hasnt moved out. He needs to quietly be going behind the scenes, going in and asking people like paul ryan, what can i do for your support . Joe, youve been in that business for a long time. Hes been in it for far less time. What patrick is saying gets to the human nature aspect of it directly with what you said an hour and a half ago. Trump is anoticannoyed that pau never called him. Its going to be about human connection, and ryan feeling like trump can win. If people feel trump can win the general election and close the gap with Hillary Clinton, a lot of people will get on board because theyll feel political pressure to get the white house back. You have the front page piece in the times. The rift in the Republican Party grew deeper on sunday and threatened to upset the july convention as donald j. Trump refused to rule out removing paul ryan as speaker of the house. As the conventions chairman, mr. Trumps differences with those in the party who think they have earned more of a right to set its political and ideological force. At a time when republicans would be trying to put the messy personal clashes of the primary behind them. These divisions have played out around the planning of the Republican National convention. Its a telling reflection of the state of republican politics, an escalating spat over going to a party for a party that is coming undone. And jeremy peters, maybe its good this is happening now because remember the last Republican Convention . That was a cluster on stage. Maybe they need to have all their problems now so that perhaps when the convention actually takes place theres some organization. There isnt the empty chair, the Clint Eastwood situation and the droning speeches that really dont people dont connect with. I dont think anyone would claim a convention produced by donald trump and mark burnett would be better. Im excited about the prospect of it personally. But going back to what patrick said about Donald Trumps distaste for the way that hes been treated by the republican establishment. Thats absolutely true. Hes the winner. Hes prevailed. The most delegates and more votes. You know who has more votes . Every other republican candidate put together. More voted against him than voted for him. Thats something hes failed to take into account and has not really made as joe said the effort to reach out and bring people into the tent at a time when the party needs that most. This is like patrick, donald trump continuing to shoot at his own side. Like a general deciding his army is going to fight each other while theyre moving towards the enemy. You have to unite and then strike out against your opponent. He sees there being plenty of time for that. When is donald trump going to get the respect hes due. Thats what he wants. He believes he has put down jeb bush, put down ted cruz, did all of thus. And that phase for him now he needs to go and do the politics. Youre right about what you said. He looks at it and keeps saying he wants the convention to be exciting and like a big show. He doesnt want windbag after windbaggetting up there and talking, talking, talking. Im the one who can win, from his point of view, in a michigan, in a pennsylvania, in a wisconsin. Follow me. I have this sort of formula. And from his point of view, and i would throw it kind of open. His view is he won this by being him. He won this by being him and all these republicans said were going to be above the fray. Were going to let donald be donald. That is the perfect segue to josh green who writes this in the latest issue of bloomberg business week. To newt gingrich. Trump represents an important discontinuity that could render obsolete many of the Traditional Party methods of winning elections. Hell define more of this than we republicans will, gingrich says. Hes been so creative and does things so differently and he will be so dominant that we have to figure out how we build around him. This is not a collective where you sit down and have a planning team. This is one singular person who is the steve jobs of modern politics. And he is going to drive the system. Amazing. Okay. But there were some issues with steve jobs. Well, there were. Im not sure thats the greatest point of comparrson. The broader point is a correct one. This is the struggle were seeing play out between paul ryan who wants donald trump to conform to the mold of a more typical republican nominee. Trumps contention that, no, im singular, im dominant. The party needs to bend itself to my will. Thats the point newt was making. Youll probably not win that struggle with donald trump. Until it gets settled one way or another youll see the contra tempts between ryan and trump. Jobs had been in the tech sector for decades when he took over apple the last time. Donald trump, josh, has been in politics for nine months. And you never know which way, you know youd never know where hes going to go tomorrow. He changes positions every day. He sees that as such an advantage. The art of surprise. Not knowing the idea is if he went up to capitol hill and paul ryan put the robotic republican, you know, widgets in his head and thats how he was expressing, thats not how hes going to beat Hillary Clinton. She is the system personified. She is calm, cool, rational. And from his point of view, thats smart from her end, but from his end the way he gets advantage is by just surprising and getting in her head. But, josh, you cant ask people to follow you if they dont know where yooure going o go. Thats him being the singular representation of the Republican Party. Five years ago giving money to Hillary Clinton. Not so long ago supported partial birth abortion. Not so long ago wildly to the left of most republicans. So he does have the responsibility to go in and provide some comfort and say, i know ive been all over the map. This is where im going to be if im president of the United States. I need your help. Well, thats true. And newt goes on to say in the piece that he doesnt think that even trump knows how hes going to run a general election. Thats one of the things that makes it so exciting and so infuriating if you are a Republican Party official looking for some kind of comfort, some kind of reassurance this guy will be able to control himself and run a professional campaign that can meaningfully compete with Hillary Clintons campaign. Theres no real sign there certainly wasnt over this weekend that trump is prepared to do that. This weekend he needed to make an adjustment one way. He went the other way. Theres a lot going on with trump. He wants the party to be more populist against the culture of washington and special interests, against changing entitlements that hurt less well off people. Those are big changes that paul ryan and other republicans dont want to make. Trump thinks part of the resistance is because they dont want the party to change. 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Bernie sanders has been talking about this for a long time. The problem really for donald trump is when you go to his events, people tell me two things consistently. They love him because he says whats he thinks and hes not beholden to special interest. So if he suddenly decides to go through his rolodex and start raising money from some of these special interest, well see how that goes. He said he could go into the middle of Central Avenue and shoot somebody and nobody would care. Look at the ways the different campaigns have been focusing their efforts at raising money. We decided to follow the money. How good am i . Reporter the most unpredictable campaign ever is about to become the most expensive ever. 1. 2 billion raised so far. Where is it all coming from . Depends on the candidate. Exhibit one, small donations from lots of people. Averaging 27. Reporter this is Bernie Sanders cutting edge digital war room where theyve built a donor list others lust after. We have more than 2. 2 million donors, more than 210 million as of our last report. Reporter a big chunk of sanders money goes here to the award packed offices of tad devine. Nobody before has come into this and said hes going to try to raise money. He or she is going to try to raise money almost exclusively from low donor dollars. Could it be replicated quickly by a donald trump . I think trump will try to replicate it. Reporter exhibit two, party on. Hillary clinton is raising big bucks with the help of big names like George Clooney at expensive parties. Mike murphy ran a superpac for jeb bush. Small donor money, large donor money. Money buys you the opportunity to make your case. Doesnt guarantee it will work. Reporter exhibit four, donald trump. King of free media. Of the 50 million hes raised, about 36 million came out of his own pocket. And most of his air time was free. With the general election expected to cost 3 billion to 4 billion overall, what does trump do now . Do i want to sell a couple of buildings and selffund . I dont know that i want to do that. Reporter the answer, trump may do some of all of the above. Some were talking about a 5 billion campaign in total which boggles the mind. I made a lot of calls to Current Campaign people and former Campaign People and said what do you see donald trump doing . How is he going to raise his money . The most interesting thing i heard is i dont think hes going to like be doing what Hillary Clinton does which is go to event after event, raising money. But i could see him filling radio city music hall and doing a donald type extravaganza with a high tick eet price and raise money that way. He still needs bundlers. Well have small dollars and mega dollars. Do you think he can replicate to any extent what Bernie Sanders has done in terms of small donors . When john kerry was the nominee, he raised tens of millions instantly on the web. 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Now youve quit the race entirely. Why do you think it didnt work out . Well, church lady, i suppose the American People werent ready for a candidate with strong christian values. Has anyone ever told you that you are just a little preachy . Just a little bit. We like ourselves dont we . Look at that face. We love ourselves because we think were just a little bit there it is that happy superior face because we love jesus more than anybody. Oh, my god, i love her. That is so good. Weve picked a color together here as a family. Forest green. So youll get mika a forest green pickup truck . Its a trump truck. I actually learned that donald trump should learn theres a big difference between playing an intersquad game and playing in the world series. When you finish jogging and everybody jumps on their bikes and goes to the next part of the race get on the bike. Adjust. Go to the next part of the race. I learned that mika and i are really looking forward to the ryan trump meeting on thursday. Its going to go well. You think that its going to be tough. You think paul ryan is going to cave like a rusty lawn chair. Blah, blah, blah. If its way too early, its time for morning joe, but right now the great Steve Kornacki. This guy is so angry right now. Spitting and spewing over there. He is a little intense. Intense and angry. If you can get past that. Look at him with that sweater. I hope he doesnt do something filthy. No, hes fine. With a setup like that, were ready to go. Im Steve Kornacki on this monday morning. Topping our ageagenda, trump ves ryan. The Presumptive Republican nominee says he may not need the House Speaker to win this fall. Does the party have to be together . Does it have to be unified . Im different than anybody thats ever run for office. I actually dont think so. Trump is saying more about ryan and about the republicans refusing to back him. Well dive into all of that in just a minute. Also on the agenda, what pivot a week after locking up the republican nomination. There is no sign that trump is about to change his tone for the race against Hillary Clinton. There is nobody that was worse, nobody, than bill