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I think the fact they colooted, the fact they got together. It shows theyre getting killed. I laugh. Especially with cruz. Kasich is going nowhere. I dont respond to trump. Is it to collusion . No. What does that mean . Does he know what it means. I understand donald will whine. Thats what he does. Donald is a sore loser. I watched cruz this morning and hes mixed up because hes losing so badly. When hes under pressure hes like a basket case. Good morning, everyone. Its tuesday, april 26th. Know who else is a sore loser . The yankees. The belichick is a sore loser. The harlem globetrotters. They didnt win well. It voting day. Secretatsecritariat. Didnt even talk to the press. Who else was a sore loser. United states marine corps. World war ii. Were on until 10 00 a. M. This morning and im sorry for that. I dont think they stepped foot on japan. Stone cold new kids on the block. A bunch of babies. Yeah. Were getting in that territory. All right. A sore loser, first, have to be a loser at the ballot box to be a loser . True. But what is the definition of colluding . Willie, in the special computer you have there . The old dell from 96. Collusion. Conspiracy oh. Its not going too well. Are they colluding . But, i mean, mark hallprin, are john kasich and ted cruz engaging in collusion . High level cooperation which is doomed to fail. They are so bad at it. Okay. Were on until 10 00 a. M. Eastern time today. Pace yourself, america. Super size edition of morning joe. This is exciting. When you finally wake up. Can we get joe extra shots in his coffee. We need some smelling salts. Mark hall per ring along with willie, joe, and me. Its voting day. Its going to be exciting the collusion thing is not working so well. John kasich was asked yesterday about the collusion and he said were not working together. I dont want my people to vote for him. I think im going to win. He sort of did. He sort of admitted to it. The whole thing was awful. A couple of questions yes. I mean, i whine but why did this get reversed . Reversed . I thought it was done. The Appeals Court said Roger Goodell has the power to oppose that suspension. Wait. The commissioner arent we done with this thing . Is this the deflated balls thing . Yeah. Is he going to do this, too. Thats a shame. I think they just i got another question okay. This de blasio stuff. I see it all over the place. Its big, exciting headlines. I dont really when i read what they describe, when they describe what hes done it sound an awful lot like what every politician does. Like, i gyet to read a line fro this. Not just the daily news where i said oh, my god he did this. And he talked to supporters and contributors and gave him money that helped him with a 501 c 3 to help poor kids in yonkers or Something Like that. I mean, im not defending anybody. I just i havent seen a single line that has made me go, kwot oh, this is something every politician doesnt do. So far it looks like theyre criminalizing politics. Making something thats kind of the narrative these days. Illegal the system is rigged. Mike . No, its extraordinarily its a convoluted story. It involves a couple of landlords or Real Estate Developers and its a pool of shot from this person to this person and they met de blasio. It is criminalizing politics. It is something that every politician has done in the past, i would imagine. Fantastic. So today voters will make their choice for president in five northeastern states today on the democratic side Hillary Clinton is hoping to extend her delegate lead over Bernie Sanders. Senator sanders joins us live later this morning, by the way. On the republican side ted cruz is likely to be mathematically eliminated from a firstballot Convention Victory tonight needing 98 of the remaining delegates to stay viable. It will leave donald trump as the only candidate who can conceivably win the necessary 1,237 convention votes before cleveland this july. For a quick look at the latest polling in the states voting today, the nbc wall street journal poll gives donald trump an 18point lead in pennsylvania. 45 to 47 in rhode island for john kasich. Ted cruz, by the way, the one who called trump a sore loser in last place. Yeah. You have to be losing. In connecticuts republican primary shows donald trump with a 34 advantage, 59 to 25 for kasich. Ted cruz at 13 . It thats losing. In maryland he has lets bring that in. Who is the sore loser here . Hes not sore, though. Thats the thing. Hes just a loser. Im going to contest that. I think hes very sore. Can i say, as we look at this connecticut republican primary number, and just sort of breathe in and ted cruzs comment, willie, about donald trump being a sore loser. This is just really epitomizes what weve seen this Campaign Season. You have a bunch of goof balls that are running for president , and they dont speak straight to the American People. It looks like all of their everything they say they practiced or they get from focus group, our pollsters have told them you have to say this line. We used to mock them for going after they came in third place and say tonight is the night that we made history and, you know, marco rubio was awesome at doing that. He lost like 13 races and every time he would give a speech, this is the one. This is the loss that is going to make me president. And so you have ted cruz going out calling the guy winning every contest a sore loser, and it just it reinforces the fact theyre all full of and its going to be hard for them to say those things tonight. Because donald trump likely will win all five, if he doesnt win all five hell win four. What do you say tomorrow night if youre ted cruz or john kasich . How do you make the case now . Especially if youre mathematically eliminated, in cruzs case, that you should be the nominee . What is the case they can credibly make . I think it becomes tough tomorrow morning. And, mike, voters would like somebody to go i got the hell kicked out of me last night. Were going to work harder next week and go door to door. However you want to spin it. Tell the people the truth the longer this goes on it was Time Magazine a year ago, 14 months ago said it was the greatest field of republican candidates in the history of the Republican Party. It was yeah. Horrible. And the dialogue over the past six or seven months, specifically over the past six or seven months has gone downhill. Each and every day downhill. You dont get a guy coming up or anybody coming up saying i lost today. It was a tough one. We have to move on and go to the next state. What is going on here . Neither of the two remaining candidates have answered is donald trump is such a liberal, horrible unprincipled person, why does he keep winning republican nomination contests in the northeast, in the south because he gets closer to what joe is saying than the other candidates do in terms of speaking to the public. They havent answered that question. Willies question about what theyre going to say. How do they answer the fact that trump keeps winning . They talk about electability. Lets hear from in maryland trump has a 43 to 29 . And in delaware finds trump with majority 55 to 18 for kasich. Yesterday we told you that cruz and kasich were going to stay out of each others way in key upcoming states. You can argue they were working together colluding. That word, apparently its not illegal. Their campaigns announced that kasich would bow out of indiana and cruz would let kasich go after new mexico and oregon. Yesterday morning that plan, like, it hit of a roadblock. No, no, im not going to tell anybody how to vote. But, look, i mean, this is a matter of resources and, you know, we run a National Campaign and we want to apply our resources where we think they can be used most effectively. Its designed to stop hill from becoming president. I never told them they ought to vote for me. Im not campaigning in indiana and hes not campaigning in these other states. Thats all. Thats all it is. Thank you, guys. Its not a big deal. That has some glaring flaws. Did you not like watching trump talked about that. Funny stuff. I like kasich. Kasich is great. Okay. For one, a lot of vote in indiana is already in. They already voted. Early voting. Officials voted that its more than double. 64,000 absentee ballots requested. Another hitch in oregon was the first to report that the Kasich Campaign doesnt have the information on the pamphlet sent out to oregon voters. They confirm because the campaign did not send one in. Its all, of course, served ased to fodder. What . Its like mitt romneys speech. Did anybody at this table think that when they decided to collude that donald trump didnt just win another week . Oh, gosh. Whats going on . Were not carrying the guys water. No, were not. We cant help it. Were bringing the water over him and saying would you like more . I mean, theyre all just going and putting it right you dont have to carry Donald Trumps water because the idiots who are running against him have and have been running against him for a year have been carrying his water for him. The paper has been carrying his water for him and the Political Class has been carrying they play right into his hands. Its stupid. Trump talks about a rigged elections against him for two or three weeks. Then they rig it even more. Lets collude. So here is served up by ted cruz and john kasich, donald trump. They made a deal, right, cruz was going to take indiana. How weak is that . How pathetic when they use collusion. How weak does it make them look . I said to my people, thats great. Its going make them look weak and pathetic, which they are. Kasich said what are you talking about . I want people in indiana to vote for me. In other words, he broke the deal. He broke the deal. This is politicians, folks. Theyre all talk. No action. Theyll never get you there. Cruz and kasich, now, lets talk kasich. Kasich is doing worse than many of the people that left months ago. If you look at marco rubio, he did better than kasich. He had more to this day he has more delegates. This is just a guy who is stubborn guy who eats like a slob and shouldnt have press conferences while hes stuffing stuff down his throat. Ive never seen anything like it. But this is a guy a stubborn guy. Im not leaving. Im not leaving. Hes 1 for 42. Folks, we are doing so well. Millions and millions of votes more than lying ted. More than millions of vote 1 and 42 kasich. He has one win and i think they said 42 losses. Thats a lot. Were moving along rapidly. I wish i would have gone two days to ohio. He would be 044. What is he doing . What is he doing, really . Hes a stubborn guy. Thats all he is. If you have a child that says i want it, mommy i dont care, mommy i want it, daddy i dont care. I want it . Kasich is begging people for money. Hes like a beggar. Hes begging. Please, i can have money . I want to continue on ward even though im 1 for 43, i think. Please im going to win. So were going to pick a guy that over a year got creamed. Right. Got creamed. Were going to let him so you explain how thats done. You would have a revolt. You would have, at a minimum, nobody, all these billions of people that joined the Republican Party, which makes it so hot. All of these people will never vote. Believe me. They will never vote for anybody, probably, but they wont be voting for republican. All right. Thats a man on fire. Yeah. He knows where he is in the race. You saw him in rhode island and in pennsylvania last night. Hes excited and knows what is on the horizon tonight. He was critiquing john kasichs eating. He gets to the things people are most interested in. Kasichs eating habits stuffing i think we have that clip of alex, do you have the clip . Donald trump talking about the pancakes . Well get it in a second. Well have a nice delicious. Well have it maybe at 10 00 a. M. For you. There was a threes company episode in 78 i used to watch that the regel beagle. The episode with the miss understanding . Yeah. That was a good one. Roll it do you have that, alex . God, he doesnt have anything. I cant believe how they, like, literally just gave him the greatest material ever. You would think this is funny except its true. Its kind of funny. We have the Chris Christie the clown would say whats wrong with them . Did you ever see a man eat like this . I never im always working with my son. Little tiny pieces. Little tiny pieces. This guy is shoving pancakes i never saw anything like that its pouring out of his mouth and the cameras on him. I dont know. Thats not president ial, i can tell you. Not president ial. Moving on. I like how he emphasized thats not president ial. What i did president ial its a good line. Im working with my son. Yeah. Small bites. Small bites. Small bites. Always. He struggled to define john kasich. Its the one guy he sort of dismissed him thought. Now hes going with the eating. Put him away long last. I dont know. One for 42. Thats the new thing. Yeah. All right. So havent even gotten new york it looks like trump, i mean, in the northeast it looks like donald trump is just wiping everybody out here. Again, in the delegate game tonight neither kasich the polls you showed neither kasich or cruz has caught on in the northeast. The numbers game tonight, you know, all the campaigns have the secret list of how many delegates trump needs to be on track, ahead of track, or behind track. I think tonight hell be at a minimum on track for majority. He may pick up enough to give himself a bit of a cushion. On the democratic side hillary and bernie there are a couple of battles. Yeah. This is a good region for him. He may do well. Hes not going to do well to eat into her lead. What state are you looking at tonight on the democratic side. For him . Yeah. What would be a goodwin for bernie tonight . Pennsylvania. Better than expected to hold his own in pennsylvania. But shes campaigned hard in the northeast. Shes not going to let him have it by any means. Well get more of the democrats after donald trump, in a big way, well play that for you. To round this out, we have ted cruz said donald trump was a sore loser. Kasich said theyre not colluding. Lets get the definition of collusion, if we can, please. Collusion. Seeking cooperation for an illegal or dishonest purpose. I dont know its collusion. Its not secret. Its not illegal. Its not dishonest well but other than that its collusion. Is it dishonest . No. It happens all the time in politics. Unless you take them to federal court like the Baseball Players yeah, but to let someone else win when youre running for president to try to stop another its called strategy. Conceding the state and theyve been upfront about that. Yeah. What is a better word . Ham handed. Belated. Okay. All right. I mean, just losing on purpose is bad enough. But collusion losing together. Yeah. It sounds bad enough. Maybe its a little bit too strong a word. Amateurish. The bottom line, it plays into trumps hand. It does. Whatever you want to call it, its just like everything else that happened since wisconsin where you have the establishment overreaching, just like the press overreached. Willie talked about it time and time again in june, july, august, september. It always overreached and ov over reported. And that over reaction gave him the space to come back every time stronger. Yeah. And he had two weeks after wisconsin rolling into his home state. That helped too. He knew he was going to win big. It puts in sharp relief whether the contest has an end point before the convention. Tonight will not have a decisive role. Now ted cruz has one week to show in a state he should do well he can beat trump. If he cant beat trump one on onish in indiana, then its going to be hard for anyone who is loyal to cruz or kasich to claim hes stoppable. How does ted cruz go to the convention saying im your guy when the last six, seven, eight, nine contests saying im your guy. He has to start beating him. But the two of them have to beat trump. Beat him. Yeah. Indiana is i just still ahead on morning joe senator Bernie Sanders joins us live. Our nbc Political Team is taking up ground in todays key Battle Ground areas. Up next jim vand high is here with his insiders plan for constructing politics. Why he says the trump model is only the beginning returning the system on its head. I thought it was turned on its head pretty good. First, here is bill karins with a check on the forecast. Hes got the weather standing on his head. All right, bill, take it away. Yesterday we saw some Severe Weather. Today is the big day. Today is the day well watch for potential dangerous tornados and softball sized hail is predicted in some areas. That can do significant damage. Yesterday near Lake Michigan this is what we saw. We had numerous thunderstorms roll through. Some were severe. Large hail reported in areas south of san antonio last night. That is pea to maybe a few nickel quarter sizes. Today we deal with baseball to possible softball size hail. Northern kansas and areas of nebraska storms are exploding even at this hour. You know the atmosphere is ripe. Classic set up where we have the cold air coming out of the rockies. Warm air ahead of it. It collides over the top of kansas, nebraska, oklahoma, and northern texas. Here is the areas at risk. It goes from oklahoma to dallas central texas. The area of red about 3. 5 Million People at the greatest risk of strong tornados later today. Probably a couple of them. Thats i35 from wichita to Oklahoma City and areas north wards and near topeka, kansas. Well watch that. The timing appears to be around 3 00 p. M. Were going to be dealing with wet weather today in connecticut, all our voting states, pennsylvania, delaware, and maryland. Have the umbrella handy if you are heading out to the polls. New york city saw one round of storms early. Well see another one this afternoon. Youre watching morning joe. Well be right back. Todays the day oh look creepy gloves for my feet. See when i was a kid there was a handle. And a face. This is nice. And does it come in a california king . Getting roid rage. Hemorrhoid. These are the worst, right . Im gonna buy them. Boom. Ill take them. 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You know, at some point, if you want to be president of the United States, you got to get familiar with the United States. Dont just fly that big jet in and land it. Go make a big speech and insult everybody you can think of and then go back and get on the big jet and go back to, you know, your country clubhouse in florida or your penthouse in new york. What do you think of that, willie . Here we go. I think the position of Hillary Clinton as the workingmans hero is a difficult one. Yes. I dont think she drives a Station Wagon across the country. I think she flies in a plane as well. Maybe stand next to donald trump maybe she can pull it off well, she has actually, since 1978 im waiting for her to announce her favorite food is pork rain rinds. Weve seen president ial candidates running and, you know, become all populist even though their background suggests theyre not. Maybe shell pull it off. Donald trump lives in a big building. She has a building named after herself. Cofounder of politico with jim vandehei. This is a terrific middle finger to the accomplishment but a terrible political and governigovern i paradigm. Is it the its mika. Mika as an innovation candidate. Oh, my goodness. Isnt the system built to discourage Third Party Candidates . Theres no doubt. Its a reason. I dont know who it would be. Why is it so hard . When you have democrat with 57 disapproval and republican with 65 disapproval . Thats where i think theres an opening. The reason its hard because its hard to get on every ballot. Youre running against two parties that are extremely organized in all 50 points. The point of the column we get asked what is going on with politics. We laugh at donald trump and have fun but people go what changes it . Having watched it ill be curious to hearing this from mark. Im convinced its going to be hard for the two parties to change the country quick enough to take advantage of the moment. For all of our belly aching, the country is so well positioned to kill it in the next ten years, if you get a couple of things right. If you look at the rise of china, you look at europes slump. Were well positioned. But you have two parties that are locked in such a conventional approach to politics that havent thought about technology as a political device but then as a governing device. I think thats why so many people are deflated and stay out. The question here is there an opening . I would say the opening is this. 40 of people who dont vote. 40 who consider themselves independents, and a lot of people inside both parties who dont like their own party. The right person it goes to you. I dont know who the right person is. My point was lets look at thes will sons from sanders, look at the lessons from trump. How can you harness those to disrupt politics . I think theres a way. You have to find the right person. You have two massive outsiders, mark hall prin that turned the parties on their head. What a lot of people see in trump someone who will change things. Hes, you know, epitome of not business as usual. Someone who will change things in big ways. If hes president , increasingly republicans are thinking about the prospect could trump as a deal maker be the equivalent of an independent president even though hes running as republican . You said this candidate will have to exploit a fear factor. That sounds cynical to a lot of people who read it. What do you mean . I think the country is scared. The threat of terrorism. We have to be an adult about that. I think the right candidate has to put somebody who has military experience. I would say modern military experience on the ticket or at the top of the ticket because that is never going to change. I think one of the things about politics all of our debates feel stale. They feel old. They feel like something we should have been talking ten years ago. Now you have basically isis, which is a me itstast now you have basically isis, which is a me itstasasized ver of al qaeda. We dont have the war powers that allow us to quickly move some kind of congressional approval to kill terrorists before they kill us. So my thing is you have to someone who can talk about that and understand politically, yeah, its cynical, but you have to understand i dont know who that is. Yeah. Someone i would you can say petraeus if he hadnt gone through his stuff. Gates, theres no doubt, has a ton of experience. Hes definitely part of the establishment. Thats the problem. How do you he worked for both parties. Both idsides of the aisle. And both sides like him a lot. The debates are hard to be on the right side but he would be someone you can throw on there. Jim vandehei stay with us. Bernie sanders will speak us with live. And the mustread opinion pages straight ahead. Well be right back. 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A significant number of issues. Theres a number on the screen now we should leave up. Its astounding. Among 18 to 29yearolds. A majority do not support the idea of capitalism. Yeah. Thats actually not surprising to the extent for three reasons. One, we came on this set six months ago and said half of young people believe the American Dream is dead for them. Second thing, half the American People under 30 believe that the Justice System isnt fair. 15 think were in the right direction. They reject capitalism the way in which its governed today. But they reject socialism by an even bigger margin. What are they for . The Sanders Campaign has been brilliant, not necessarily at boosting socialism, but degrading capitalism. I did a focus group about a week ago in franklin college. These young people looked back to about a hundred years ago. They wanted a combination of somebody strong on the banks but also capitalism like fdr might think of it to have a social infrastructure to kind of help people to continue take out ahead. Too many people are able to manipulate the system the way its practiced today. Everybody is upside down. Hillary minus 16, kasich my news 19, trump minus 57 except for bernie plus 23. Exactly. Hes the only one, in fact, even when we asked which candidate would do the best job of improving lives of women in america. Its a toss up between him and clinton. You look at young women and the way they believe that sanders would be more effective. He clearly, you know, is the preferred candidate of this generation, but i think some of the news is that if hes not the nominee, if clinton versus trump, were looking at clinton potentially better than obama in 2008. Not because of her support with young people but the distaste for donald trump at this point. Looking at your notes here, and just from the data you pulled together. What weve seen from exit polls as well. Sort of surprising that one of clintons biggest obstacles is young women. That is a surprise. What is behind that . I think it has i think it has to do with kind of trust. I think a couple of things. Young women never believed they had an opportunity to think differently. Right. Sanders campaign is providing women and young people of all stripes an opportunity to think differently about politics and theyre excited about that. I think that translates to the way in which young people think about all of the qualities associated with Hillary Clinton. In fact, shes actually losing among young women who identify as feminists on the question of which candidate can do more to improve the lives of women. Based on the data you see, what would you advise a republican candidate like donald trump to improve his numbers other than not be trump . You know. This is the most tolerant generation weve ever seen. Young people want to participant participate. He needs to begin to reach out to, i think, young, you know, men and women republicans on campuses and bring them into the fold. Hes under water. His favorability is less than 50 among young republicans response he needs to start with his base first before even consider expanding it. Thats the concern for obama. Hes polling less than a generic republican by eight points. Thank you so much for coming on with us. Thank you. We appreciate it. Still ahead the alter egos behind the team. How Hillary Clinton and barack obama view the world in different ways map it meant for american policy over the past eight years and the next eight. The author of a revealing new book joins us ahead. Well be right back. Mary buys a little lamb. One of millions of orders on this companys servers. Accessible by thousands of suppliers and employees globally. 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Seven points separate clinton and sanders in delaware. And its a twopoint race in connecticut. Ppp putting clinton ahead 48 to 46. Last night in town halls on msnbc both Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders each pointed the finger at each other to bring the Democratic Party back together. Lets look what happened in 2008. Thats the closest example. I didnt say, you know, senator obama does x, y, z maybe ill sport him. I said im supporting senator obama because no matter our differences, they pale in comparison to the differences between us and the republicans. Thats what i did. At that time, 40 of my supporters said they would not support him. So from the time i withdrew until the time i nominated him, i nominated him at the convention in denver. I spent an enormous amount of time convincing my supporters to support him. Im happy to say that the vast majority did. That is what i think one does. Thats certainly what i did and i hope that we will see the same this year. Were not a movement where i can snap my fingers to you or anybody else what you should do. You dont listen to me. You shouldnt. You make these decisions yourself. I think if we end up losing, i hope we do not, if secretary clinton wins, its incumbent upon her to tell millions of people, who right now dont believe in establishment politics or establishment economics who have serious misgivings about a candidate who has received millions of dollars from wall street and other special interests. Its incumbent upon secretary clinton to reach out, not only to my spoupporters but to the American People with an agenda they believe will represent the interest of lower income people, the middle class, those concerned about the environment, and not just big money interests. Wow. What do you think . I think its a real debate still. I think he feels strongly about some issues that clearly are tapped into a large segment of our society. The middle class and a lot of young people are buying into it because it means something to them. Yeah. Bernie sanders going all the way to california. Hes definitely pulled Hillary Clinton to the left. How far left is she going to walk the walk . But hes got a strong case there. She has to make a case to his supporters in order to gain a certain percentage of his supporters. I think the bridge between Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton is farther than the bridge was between barack obama and Hillary Clinton. Very much so. By that i mean Bernie Sanders see the world differently than hill. They think shes establishment. Shes been in washington for most of her life. Shes not going to leave easily without Hillary Clinton making some concessions. That was my question, i think, last week. Why should koch fall in line. But it was i think the consensus at the table and definitely in the Clinton Campaign, and you can hear from the candidate herself, is that, well, he needs to fall in line. Thats is what is done. Thats the old way of doing it. We had John Dell Volpe on. Theyre not going to listen. I think they would listen. I think they love him. Would they do it . I dont know all of them will do it. I think theres going to be a lot of millennials because Hillary Clinton theyre seeing now is not the Hillary Clinton well see in the general election. To your point, thats a bigger gap. When you have 51 in the poll we were talking about, saying they dont believe in capitalism. You think Hillary Clinton is going to say i dont believe in capitalism . No. Shes a fierce defender of capitalism. If thats their view i think it is more complicated than just do what you need to do for party unity. I think were at different time. Right. Senator sanders is joining us live next hour. 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Somebody said he really does look good but i dont know if hes president ial. Im looking at this stage of people. My competitors. Does hillary look president ial to you . No was she there at 3 00 in the morning to answer the call . No. She wont be. She wont be there. She doesnt have the strength and she doesnt have the energy to be president , let me tell you. Welcome back to morning joe. Its tuesday, april 26th. We have mike barnacle, Mark Halperin, jim havandehei, and editor at the fix at the Washington Post. Trump and beginning and clinton are beginning to jab at each other. That are. Loo looks like donald is trying a couple of test models out. He tried the corrupt hillary. Crooked. Crooked. Now hes doing the low energy hillary. Yeah. And hillary is doing trump is not in touch. Yeah. Not in touch with the working man. Why are 20,000 people showing up at his rally looking like working people . I think theyre off. They have to focus. I would rather not watch that go down. Voters will make their choice for president today in five northeastern states. Here is a quick look at the latest polling from the states voting. The nbc wall street journal poll gives donald trump an 18 point lead in pennsylvania. Thats a big one, right. Huge. 45 to 27 for john kasich. In rhode island trump leads by 13. In connecticuts republican primary, the ppp poll shows trump with a 34point advantage. 59 to 25 for kasich. Ted cruz at just 13 . In maryland ppp has trump with a 14point lead over kasich. 43 to 29. And in delaware trump with a majority of 55 to 18 for kasich. Yesterday were talking about ted cruz have the audacity to say that donald trump was a poor loser. And you brought up a great point. That is count up the number of states where ted cruz doesnt crack 20 . I mean, a lot of the most important swing states, whether its florida or ohio or virginia. All across the northeast hes getting trounced and finishing in last place. It undercuts the argument hes trying to make that i should be able to go to the convention and win it on second or third ballot given in almost every swing state he performed below 25 . Tonight hes likely to lose to john kasich in most of these states. Thats not a winner. Thats not an alternative people would be clamoring for. It only goes to the point that donald trump ends tonight stronger than ever having won way more states than anyone else. Everyone else combined and hes m mathematically on pace. How does he finish in last place and say eight out of the last nine primaries and say i am your man . We talked about making fun of people talking about a trump ceiling. It appears kasich and cruz have a ceiling themselves. Look how popular trump is with some republicans and neither of those guys in poll ive seen, with the exception of indiana, have done much to crack 30 in poll in a threeperson race. Cruzs play is to win indiana and as true for several weeks. Its more true now after the collusion. Hes got to win indiana. I think people are under estimating the degree to which trump will be on better position for majority after tonight. Under estimating how the race will change if trump loses to cruz. After new york theyre saying 57 . Its coming to a broebered convention. Wait a second. He had, like, 90 in new york. Hes going to do extraordinarily well in the bigger states and those 57 s is just going to drop. Changes in an instant. It changes in an instant. Again, people have had their heads in the sand since june, and wisconsin, i think post wisconsin may have been the most pathetic couple of weeks for reporters across the political spectrum in a continued state of denial. Track the numbers in each and every primary state thus far and you can make a strong case that ted cruz is not more than a regional candidate. A marginal regional candidate. Donald trump is a national candidate. Look at the numbers. The numbers bear that out. I remember nate cone did an article in the New York Times and the strongest area for donald trump is upstate new york and rural alabama. Thats kind of a sign there. Yeah. Ive seen this blindness, like, reporters when you ask questions about Hillary Clinton or donald trump its with trump yes he did this but this is going to happen and this is why its going to go badly. They cant say the numbers. The same, actually, pro hillary in objective reporters that weve had on our show. I sit there looking going can you not say the information without qualifiers that point toward your candidate . Here is our biggest problem, i think weve said it before. We showed a clip of Johnny Manziel. If im watching Johnny Manziel play at whatever team picks him up in the future. The first couple of times thats great but hes dealing with assault chargers. Hes had a checkered past. Fine. At some point, though, i get it. Not a good guy. Do your job, analyze the game, tell me who is going to win, and dont let it get in the way of you being an accurate analyst. Thats what happened here. People have allowed reporters have allowed, journalists have allowed their own biases and hatred against trump. Hate to sound like a broken record but you keep doing it they get in the way of analyzing what is happening out there. We will go to the fix. You were on the road to damascus and you brought a shiny light and from the bright shiny light came the words, hey, you know, this strange politician dude just may win the republican nomination. Yeah. Look, i think the most common misconception is i dont understand his appeal and i dont know anyone who is voting for him equals he doesnt have appeal and no one is voting for him. Or equals you never left washington or new york. Correct. Its demonstrably we talked about this two months ago on this show. If any other candidate had the wins with the breadth and the number of votes that donald trump has, he would he or she would already be the nominee. Theres no question. If you flipflop ted cruz and donald trump in terms of the states they have won, where they have won, the number of votes they have won. So i think that, you know, you continue to see this resistance. I think the two weeks between wisconsin and new york, joe, you mentioned this. The desired Wishful Thinking its been Wishful Thinking. Right. Wishful thinking doesnt make it a fact. In the words of joan, its been the year of magical thinking of elites in washington and elites writing newspaper articles. And you know what is interesting . When they go, chris, home for the summer for a summer reunion, like ron 48 did. He said, okay, okay. I dont get trump. I get trump supporters. And i saw an oped yesterday out of pittsburgh, somebody who is tough on trump went to the family reunion. All 19. All 19 family members were voting for trump. The guy has okay. I dont get it but everybody that i have grown up with get it. Remember, our jobs is not its not to make Public Opinion but to understand Public Opinion. If you dont get it, the task is to try to understand what youre not getting. Because, look, i saw a rally trump images from a trump rally last night. It was bananas. There was tens of thousands of people there. One other thing on the calendar. Quickly. What was clear after wisconsin was anyone who looked at new york, connecticut, rhode island, delaware, maryland, the rest of the votes in april saw this is going to be very good for him. And, joe, to your point the idea he needs 63 percent. Yes, thats true. There are states like connecticut where its winner take all. Hes at 58 or 59. He got 90 of the 95 delegates in new york. Were talking about indiana. You know, i mean, the math is the math. At some point where you agree, disagree, understand it, or dont. You have to say this guy is the frontrunner. By a lot. Its not hard. You dont have to fly off to paris and go to libraries to figure this out. You know, david brooks wrote a column saying we just dont we dont get this and we dont understand it. We have to do a better job. Listen, its not very hard. Get on the Staten Island ferry im serious. Spent 12 hours there. Its, like, its a part of new york city. Just go to Staten Island and hang there for a couple of hours and youll come back with a better understanding of what is happening in america. Its not just the elites, joe, that missed it. And they did this. Its a lot of terrific, talented reporters who missed it last summer. There was a day last summer in july when donald trump said something about john mccain, i think, it had everyone our business, and a lot of people who walk around leading normal lives reeling in disbelief. Absolutely. Guess what. Nothing happened to donald trump as a result after he said that. So then we look at the apprentice, you know, hes the apprentice candidate. The apprentice was a scripted show. We thought that, you know, thats what he is. A tv star of the apprentice. And you go to one of his rallies in september or october, and you see the mesmerizing aspect of his showmanship. He had the best show in the fall for people to go to. It was a show. It was a circus. You sit there and you look at the people who attend and theyre all around you in everyday life. And theyre voting. Theyre grocery shopping. Theyre showing up at the polls. Yeah. So, i mean, i dont know im not one of those people that holds on to stuff, but if i did there would be a certain Magazine Editor that thinks i owe him an apology. I actually think its the other way around. Its not just the reporters, which i dont dispute the critique you have. Its just that these reporters are talking to the same republicans in town who have the same view of donald trump that the reporters do. Hey, by the way, guess what. They all loved marco rubio. And everybody was why are you being so tough on marco rubio. Im not. Im just telling you why hes not going to win. And the upshot had him as number one. I think the politico insiders had him as number one. Everybody had marco winning. Everybody. Because the establishment was talking to the establishment. You and i said a year and a half ago marco is not going to win. He doesnt have the natural constituency, he doesnt have and it was your analysis it was pure analysis. The New York Times wrote one of the strangest most bizarre hit pieces on me for having a personal thing against marco rubio because my analysis, along with halperin, i think we were the only two people who said for a year and a half. It was just analysis. Johnny manziel threw a bad interception. He has to play a better game. Donald trump its the same thing. You talk about the apprentice, i mean, part of the reason why Charles Marie wrote a book called coming apart talking about the decline of america from 1960 to 2012. He talked about the massive separation between elites and working class White America. And one of his points was the working class White America watches an average of 35 to 40 hours a week. 35 to 40 hours a week of tv. Thats a lot of tv know what elites do . They binge watch their favorite shows on hbo something else. The two worlds never meet. While we were watching, you know, madmen and while we were watching house of cards and while were watching sherlock and were watching the shows we love to talk about here, they have been inviting donald trump into their house every week for 12, 13 years on the apprentice a remarkable run for a prime time show. About as remarkable as Ronald Reagan doing ge theater where over 20 Million People every week saw Ronald Reagan coming into their house. Elites never saw it coming because they dont live where most of america lives. To your point, who broke through and said the smartest thing in the cycle as a woman who asked if jeb bush should run for president. She said no, arent there any other families in america that can run for president . Barbara bush saw jeb bush had no chance in the race because of the mood of the country for someone to change things. I think and someone they knew. Donald trump. Elites are also more secure in their economic lives and professional lives the insecurity in daily life, the anxiety, the apprehension of the immediate future is off the charts. I will say those people who are suffering, those People Living with wages that havent moved, they dont want to take another chance on a choice. They dont the decision made for them again. A clinton or bush. Right now demographics look like Hillary Clinton is going to win. If i was donald trump i would want to run against a bush in a primary and clinton in general. If you look at that book and the things that happened since 2012, there are a lot of indicator that people have been paying more attention to. Income stagnation, the rise of opioid and heroin addiction, the huge increase of suicides against middle class whites. And they are stunning about, again, the decline of White America and now you have this headline hurt by free trade and moving to extremes. The New York Times has a great piece about all these trade pacts and the globalization that all the elites that write for the New York Times editorial page and the Washington Post and all the smart guys and women that are e con professors they talk about how great unfettered free trade is. This article talks about how globalization has gutted communities and in those communities, mika, where globalization has gutted the communities and the jobs have gone away, guess which two candidates they support . Which ones . Donald trump and Bernie Sanders. There you go. The outsiders. The outsiders. So, chris, you write why the Ted Cruz John Kasich Alliance is destined to fail. The theory is the same thinking that motivates candidates and campaigns to believe that endorsements are a critical moment in a campaign. They almost never are. Why . Because the average voter doesnt care who some other politicians think would be the best choice in a different race. They definitely dont want a politician they sort of like telling them to be for someone else they dont like at at all. The idea a kasich voter would be for cruz for the broader good of the Republican Party is the sort of stuff that makes sense on a phone call where the deal was cut between two long time political operatives. In the real world of voters, it is a much harder sell. I completely, completely agree with you. Yeah. This is as ham fisted as mitt romneys speech against trump. It goes to what were talking about this morning which is this idea the elites are treat politics and treat the candidates like chess pieces. Reporters do this. Strategies do this in their professional political leaves. Move kasich off the board in indiana and put cruz there and move cruz off the board in new mexico and oregon and everything will be fine. The idea that ted cruz voter will all of a sudden be like, wait a minute. Maybe i should vote for john kasich. Aid logically other than being republicans, they share almost nothing. I think the sorts of ideas that well manipulate the public. Cruz yesterday was saying this is all about the people. Its not. I mean, the truth of the matter is, and i dont know this is a terrible thing, because they believe that trumping the nominee would be a disaster. They taking a giant gamble born of desperation. Theyre saying we cannot beat him if nothing changes in the race. Hell win, obviously, today. Hell win indiana, hell be on path to be the nominee. So were going to try this other thing. The idea, this is 100 process driven by the fear of the establishment that trump will be the nominee. Its not having to do with voters. Its just not. The kasich voter and the cruz voter have nothing in common. This stuff never works. Youre exactly right. Hes right on endorsements and things like that. It never works. I would have people come up to me and hoping to endorse them in republican primaries with like an 80 approval rating. I would say ill do it but, you know, put my arm around them or shake their hand and take the picture. Congratulations. Thats not going to earn you a single vote. They look at me like that and say it wont earn you a single vote. Knock on doors. Knock on doors. And all the if 80 of the voters like me, they liked me thats right. They didnt like its not a transferable commodity, again, as we said, before, unless youre harry reid and the union solicits you in the battle. Other than that, its not a transferable commodity. Thank you very much. Jim vandehei, thank you. Hallie jackson and the moderator of meet the press chuck todd. The road to the nomination is growing all the more narrow for Bernie Sanders. Senator joins us live from the campaign trail in a few minutes. Youre watching morning joe. Well be right back. What brand of makeup is better for your skin than wearing no makeup at all . Neutrogena® cosmetics. With vitamins and antioxidants. Now with foundations in shades for more skin tones. Wiback like it could used to . Neutrogena hydro boost water gel. With hyaluronic acid it plumps skin cells with intense hydration and locks it in. For supple, hydrated skin. Hydro boost. From neutrogena youto get the help yourefar looking for. Thats why at xfinity were opening up more stores closer to you. Where you can use all of our latest products and technology. And find out how to get the most out of your service. So when you get home, all you have to do is enjoy it. Were doing everything we can to give you the best experience possible. Because we should fit into your life. Not the other way around. Last night the john Kasich Campaign announced theyre pulling out of indiana. Leaving this as a direct oneonone choice for the people of indiana between our campaign and donald trump. That choice is important for the country, and ill tell you, its been 46 days since the last republican debate. Ted cruz yesterday in indiana. Joining us from indianapolis now nbc news correspondent Hallie Jackson is covering the Cruz Campaign on how ted cruz feels about his chances there. Reporter hi. I had an aid tell me its similar for them heading into indiana the way they felt about going into wisconsin, but theres a big difference. Right. An acknowledgment from the campaign that wednesday and thursday, tomorrow and thursday are going to be important days for them. They know that the narrative coming out of tonights primaries will be difficult for them moving forward. Just like it was before wisconsin. The difference is there were two weeks to sort of adjust and shift and get on the ground and try to get momentum before wisconsin. Theres only seven days before the indiana primary. Theres concern its a shortened timeline that ted cruz has to get out and be on the ground. Theyre not feeling great about southwest indiana. Thats an area they believe donald trump could do well. Theyre confident they could pick up enough delegates for a win, at least at the moment. It remains to be seen how the alliance with john kasich is going to play out. Youve been talking about this. How do the voters feel . We were at cruz events yesterday as hes barn storming throughout the state. This is a small sample size. Theres a sense of resignation that, hey, we get why ted cruz had to do this, as one man said to me, i dont love he did but hes a chess player and hes playing the game. That is something that may or may not work for ted cruz to sort of bring in other supporters. The ted cruz supporters are going to say that. Theres a question mark whether the kasich supporters will come over. Well see. I think its a big one. Nbcs Hallie Jackson, thank you very much. Lets bring in moderator of meet the press. Chuck todd, what do you think . Is this collusion going to work . It would have been a great idea six weeks ago. Yeah. Six weeks ago know what we would be talking about today . Could john kasich win in connecticut . It would be a good john kasich night. If they cut the deal then. Look, and the Kasich Campaign was desperate to cut the deal then. Theres no doubt about it. The cruz folks didnt. They only cut the deal because they look at the numbers in indiana and realized if Kasich Campaigns in indiana, particularly the parts that border ohio, forget it. They cant win. You look at and remember indiana is worth a thousand delegates. Apparently. If you win indiana its over. You sent a funny email over the weekend making fun of how everybody propped up indiana. Trump at 50 in california but indiana is coming. Trump over 50 in connecticut but indiana is coming. I mean, they did it in new jersey. Hes over 50 in new jersey but indiana is coming. Little indiana has become the center of the political world for some reason. You look at the polls and cruz is even losing indiana. And lets say he wins it. On delegates it could be negligible. Maybe a net of 15 for him. Remember, its more like missouri and wisconsin. Right. You get a chunk if you win statewide and its by congressional district. The way missouri looked, i think indiana is going to be more like missouri than wisconsin. Much closer. It may not matter. Basically, okay, the one or two if you win, yes, youll net more delegates. Its not enough to stop by the way, tonight trump, we think, will get 95 delegates out of the 118 you can get to be the. It doesnt count the 54 in pennsylvania. 95. Thats going to get him. He needs 400, essentially, between now and june 7th. He gets 100 of almost 400 tonight. Right. Lets watch how trump gets handed the red meat here. I dont know how you can do more of a favor for him than ted cruz or john kasich. It will show how small kasich and cruz look. First, here is donald trump. Red meat watch what happens. Cruz and kasich, now, kasich. Kasich is doing worse than many of the people that left months ago. I mean, if you look at marco rubio, he did better than kasich. He had more to this day he has more delegates. In is a guy who is a stubborn guy who eats like a slob and shouldnt have press conferences while hes stuffing stuff down his throat. Ive never seen anything like it. But this is a guy who is a stubborn guy. Im not leaving. Im not leaving. Hes 1 for 42. Folks, we are doing so well. Again, millions and millions of votes more than lying ted. Millions and millions of votes more than 1 and 42 kasich. I call them that one and 42 because he has one win, and i think they said 42 losses. Thats a lot. Were moving along pretty rapidly. Did you ever see a man eat like this . I never im working with my son. Little tiny pieces. Little tiny pieces. This guy is shoving pancakes i never saw anything like it. Its pouring out of his mouth and the cameras on him. I dont know, look, thats not president ial. I can tell you. Not president ial. You know apparently the interesting thing you watch that clip and hes obviously speaking to thousands of people but he has a small room feel in terms of the way he addresses crowds. Everybody who goes to the rally think hes speaking just to them. He speaks the way he would with you right now with the hands. The only rally mark, im curious if you had that experience. You feel like the audience listens. You go to some rallies and you theyre not fully listening. Because trump gives off that you never know what he might say. Its not the same speech youve heard on tv an hour ago. Right. So its worth listening. So youre right. He has the intimacy feel. And he said a couple of days ago, mark, if i read from tell prompter it would be like a hillary you would be after five minutes. On the other hand, so many of the things that are hard about running for President Trump has been doing for years. Hes been giving paid speeches around the country for years. He knows how to give a great speech. He knows how to be on television. He knows how to produce television. He knows h s hold big press conferences. Whether Miss Universe has been caught in a scandal. He knows how to change a story. He was great on social media before he was a president ial candidate. When he was going through his divorce, he knew how to change the story and play the new york tabloids and the thing that sin gn sinatra said. If you can do that youll do fine. His ability to build big crowds and put on a big show. Dont under estimate it. The reason indiana matters if theres a way that matters its not indiana but you have to start in indiana. Theres ten contests left after tonight. The next is indiana. I dont think it will trump from getting majority. I think hell get more than 95 tonight. You have to start in indiana and keep going. What happens if trump wins indiana based on your Indiana Center of the universe theory . If trump wins indiana, it will take an undescribable intercededing event to not it. Like the media are ged dmage he would have to insult a fox News Reporter and insult a vet. He has to get people to commit to voting for him tonight. By the way, the person who is campaigning for donald trump in indiana . One bobby knight. Yeah. By the way, would be fun to see them throw chairs. I think it would be a fun event. You can picture trump going up there who can throw the chair the farthest . Chuck, i dont think i want to see that. Come on. Its not president ial. What is lou holtz doing . Think hes a trump or cruz guy . Trump guy. I dont know. You know why i know . He goes to a lot of republican dinners. He could be a cruz guy. I think hes a trump guy because i was walking past him one time at a hotel and he said stop being so liberal he could be you know, he okay. Chuck todd, thank you. More sports endorsements coming. My 9 yearold my wife said my 9yearold said this morning about donald trump. Leave tom brady alone. Ahead the Clinton Campaign called on Bernie Sanders to tone down the rhetoric. That aint happening. He must stop now with the attacks. So far he hasnt been willing to do it. Is he worried about doing the party longterm harm . Senator sanders joins us live ahead. As we go to break come on come on you going to do this . This backs up chucks reporting. He reports that john kasich tends to eat and talk to reporters at the same time. John, i had nothing to do about this. When he was talking to chuck once he was eating with a steak with his hands. That wasnt fault. They didnt bring any utensils and he was hungry. It wasnt his fault. I have to eat now. Were going to work very hard despite the fact i got caught eating a piece of my pizza with my fork. Never use a fork thats a good pizza. You have to put your finger up in the air like this. Thr three pickles. I love that. What are you writing down that i love eating soup . What kind of desserts do you have . By the way, im having the time of my life. Trolling for a gig with braindrone . Cant blame you. Its a drone you control with your brain, which controls your thumbs, which control this joystick. No, im actually over at the ge booth. Were creating the Operating System for industry. 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I spent an enormous amount of time convincing my supporters to support him. And im happy to say that the vast majority did. That is what i think one does. Thats certainly what i did and i hope that we will see the same this year. That was Hillary Clinton at last nights msnbc town hall speaking about how in 2008 she worked hard to convince her supporters to support then senator barack obama. Joining us from Philadelphia Democratic president ial candidate senator Bernie Sanders of vermont. Good morning. Welcome back to the show. I guess well start there. Senator, a lot of people, especially in the Clinton Campaign said youre hurting the party and her chances of going into the nomination im hurting the party . Mika there was a study that came out from harvard yesterday which suggests that the campaign is turning around millions of young people getting them to be more progressive and getting them into the Democratic Party. So i dont think were hurting the party. I think a vigorous debate on the important issues facing the American People is not only exactly what democracy is supposed to be about. At the end of the day, it creates more political interest, it drives up voter turn out, when voter turn out is high progressives and democrats win elections. You cant argue, though, if she is close to clenching this, if there is no path for you, then youre just hurting her as on the road to the nomination and she goes into it more damaged, maybe some would argue. First of all, i dont accept there is no path forward. Lets not count our chickens before theyre hatched. There are five contests today. The state of california. Last i heard the largest state in the United States of america has not yet cast a ballot. I think all of the people of this country have a right to participate to determine who the democratic nominee will be and what the agenda will be. And i think it will be healthy for democracy and the Democratic Party when we have the debate, the platform debates, the policy debates at the convention. Should the United States of america join every other major country and guarantee health care to all people through a medicare for all program . Should we provide paid family and medical leave . Should we address the grotesque level of income inequality . Should we deal with the fact we have more people in jail than any other country. A lot of good debates to take place. If i do not win the nomination, trust me, ill do everything i can to make sure that some republican does not end up in the white house. How important is it to you win or lose to reshape the Democratic Party as you move forward through the convention and make sure its not the Democratic Party of Hillary Clintons past, which we saw the New York Times magazine this weekend painted her vividly as a hawk, as an interventionist. As you said somebody who has closer ties to wall street than probably the two republican candidates. Look, joe, im proud that our campaign has brought so much energy into the political process. Not just young people, but working people, and the issue you raise is an important issue. Look, we know that sometimes our military has got to be involved in a war. But i think there are a lot of democrats out there who are concerned that secretary clinton voted for the war in iraq, was active in the overthrow of the gadhafi is Hillary Clinton a hawk . We were talking to the New York Times reporter yesterday and having a hard time getting her to admit what her own paper wrote over the weekend. Do you believe that Hillary Clinton is a war hawk . Let me just say this, my views on Foreign Policy are different than secretary clintons. I helped lead the opposition to the war in iraq. I think that military force is the last resort not the first resort. I think my views are a lot closer to president obamas than they are to Hillary Clintons. Do you think shes a hawk . Is she an interventionist . You know, i dont want to what about an interventionist . It really matters to people in the Democratic Party. It does matter. Especially after eight years of bush and cheney and then the tripling of troops in afghanistan and all the things that Hillary Clinton proposed while she was secretary of state. It does matter to a lot of democrats on whether theyre going to nominate someone who is an interventionist. Do you believe shes an interventi interventionist . Again, i dont want to characterize her, but i think our views on Foreign Policy are different. I think what we have got to understand is that there are dictators all over the world that are terrible. But regime change has unintended consequences. Lets go way back to guatemala, to iran when we overthrew a democratically elected Prime Minister there. Im more cautious about that. In terms of certainly the middle east with isis, i believe it must be muslim troops on the ground who do the fighting with the support of the United States. I will do everything that i can to prevent our troops from getting involved in perpetual warfare in the middle east. Secretary clinton and i look at Foreign Policy in a different way . Yes, we do. The harvard study you referenced a few moments ago, senator, show a tremendous popularity among millennials. You brought many me less than ya millennials into the political process. A majority of millennials reject both socialism and capitalism. They dont believe in socialism, they dont believe in kaft lymph. Capitalism. What should they believe . I think they should believe, mike, in Economic Justice, and ending this really, really grotesque level of incumbent wealth. Ive been in cities from all over this country from clinton, detroit, to philadelphia where you have 40 to 50 of those children living in poverty. I think the fight for Economic Justice ill tell you what else is resonating with young people. They understand what corporate media, by the way, does not understand. That Climate Change is the great Environmental Crisis of our time, than we have got to take on the fossil fuel industry, transform our Energy System away from coal and sustainable energy. The other thing they understand is that the Younger Generation today, if we do not change the economy, will, for the first time in modern history have a lower standard of living than their parents. In other words, were seeing the death of the American Dream. These young people dont want to see that dream die. There are a lot of issues out there that these young people, i think, are standing up and fighting for. I think they government should play a more Important Role in prese protecting needs of the working people than were seeing now. Senator sanders, willie geist. Good to see you. You said something at the town hall last night i thought was interesting. It she becomes the nominee its not incumbent for you to tell your voters. Its incumbent for her to convince your voters. Many are against Hillary Clinton and adamantly for you. What could she say to a Bernie Sanders voter, thoueoreticallyt that they should vote for her and leave you. I think what any candidate has to do to win a general election is to convince the vast majority of the people who are the working class of this country. That she is or any candidate is on their side. You dont have to convince the billionaires. They you have to convince ordinary people that youre prepared to deal with the major crises facing this country. Were looking at a disappearing middle class in this country. Were looking at corporations who, in a given year, may make billions of dollars in profits and not pay a nickel in taxes. Were looking at kids graduating college 50 and 70,000 in debt and paying it off for decades. The American People that in this great country that the rich and billionaire class in Corporate America cannot have it all. I think for Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders or any other nominee, they got to go out to the American People and say i have the guts to take on wall street, to and disastrous trade policy, to take on Corporate America, to say, yes, that the wealthy and powerful will pay their fair share of taxes. Youve said shes not capable of doing that. Shes in the pocket of how could she change her tone and convince voters to go to her . That is her job. People think Bernie Sanders is going to snap his fingers and everybody who votes for me is now going to vote for Hillary Clinton. Thats not the way the real world works, and it should not work that way. If i win the nomination, im going to have to convince Hillary Clinton supporters and republicans and independents to vote for me. Hillary clinton, every other candidate has the same challenge. And i happen to believe as i just said that the American People are tired of establishment politics. They understand that almost all new income and wealth is going to the top 1 . They understand that theres something profoundly wrong when were the only major country on earth not to guarantee health care for our family or paid medical and family leave. So many of our children going to totally inadequate schools and living in poverty. I think we need leadership to address those issues to understand we have to take on the billionaire class. Thats how you win elections in my view. Good morning. Its Mark Halperin. Every president and Vice President weve had in this country has been a man. If you are the nominee, would you commit to picking a woman as your running mate . Im not going to you have to look at the best candidates you can. But i think your point is well taken. The women of this country, the people of this country understand it would be a great idea to have a woman as Vice President and something i would give very, very serious thought to. Are there any women in particular you think would be qualified for that job . Are there any women . Yes, there are many women qualified for that job. Could you name a few . I think its a little too early to be speculating on that. But i think, as you know, there are people in life, elizabeth warren, i think, has been a real champion in standing up for working families, taking on wall street. There are other fantastic women who have been active in all kinds of fights who i think would make great Vice President ial candidates. All right, senator Bernie Sanders, thank you very much. We always love having you on. And tomorrow on morning joe good luck tonight donald trump will join us live. I like that answer. Will you give us any . No. By the way, politicians, you can say no. He did say one. 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I laugh because cakasich is not going anywhere. I dont respond to donald trump. Is this collusion . What does that even mean . I understand that donald will whine. Thats what he does. Donald is a sore loser. I watched cruz this morning. Hes all mixed up because hes losing so badly. When hes under pressure, hes like a basket case. Its tuesday, april 26th you know who else was a sore loser . Who . 27 yankees. The harlem globetrotters. Did not win well. I dont think they ever its voting day. Secretariat. Secretariat was the sorest loser. Pouty. Didnt even talk to the press. A sore loser. Who else was a sore loser . The United States marine corps. Huh . World war ii. Okay. Were on until 10 00 a. M. This morning and im sorry for that. I dont think they even set foot on japan new kids on the block. Okay, now a bunch of babies. Youre getting into bad territory. So isnt a sore loser first have to be a loser at the ballot box . Well, true, but what is the definition of colluding. Can someone look that up. Willie in that special computer. The old dell from 96. What you got . Collusion. Conspiracy. Its not really going too well. Are they colluding . They tried to. But i mean Mark Halperin, are john kasich and ted cruz colluding to try and stop trump . They are engaged in highlevel cooperation. Which is . Doomed to fail. With us on set theyre not very good at it. They are so bad at it. Okay. We are on until 10 00 a. M. Eastern time today. Pace yourself america. Supersized edition of morning joe. When you wake up could we get joe some extra shots in his coffee. Mark barnacle needs some smelling smarts, cohost of all due respects Mark Halperin along with willie, joe and me. Its going to be fun. Its voting day. So exciting. The collusion thing is not working so well. John kasich was asked yesterday. He said, no, were not working together. I dont want me people to vote for him. Im going to win. He sort of admitted to it. The whole thing was awful. A couple of questions. Okay. Now they go back to the soft balls. Why did this get reversed . Reversed . I thought this was done. The Appeals Court says Roger Goodell has the power. It wasnt on the merits of whether brady did anything. But whether the commissioner has the power. The commissioner is in power now. Is this the deflated balls thing . Yeah. Is he going to do this as well . I think thats a shame. Another question. Okay. This de blasio stuff. Its big, exciting headlines, okay . I dont really i mean, i read what they describe. Not the daily news but everybody. They describe what hes done. It sounds an awful lot like what every politician does. Like i have yet to read a line in any of this coverage. And not just from the daily news but from everything where i said oh, my god, he did that . Its always like and he talks to supporters and contributors that gave him money, that helped him with a 501c3 to help poor kids in yonkers. Im not defending anybody. I just havent seen a single line thats made me go, oh, this is something that every politician doesnt do. So far it looks like theyre just looking at criminalizing politics. Making something that lives of politicians do illegal. Mike, anything there . Its a convoluted story to read. Involves a couple of landlords or Real Estate Developers. A pool shot from this person to that person and they met de blasio and did some eyes glazing over. It is criminalizing politics. It is something that every politician that were familiar with has done in the past, i would imagine. Fantastic. Voters will make their choice for president in five northeastern states today. On the democratic side, Hillary Clinton is hoping to extend her delegate lead over Bernie Sanders. Senator sanders joins us live later this morning, by the way. On the republican side, ted cruz is likely to be mathematically eliminated from a first blat Convention Victory needing 98 of remaining delegates to stay viable. That will leave donald trump as the only candidate who can conceivably win the necessary 1,237 convention votes before cleveland this july. And for a quick look at some of the latest polling in the states voting today, the nbc wall street journal marist poll gives domd trunald trump an 18 in pennsylvania. In rhode island, trump leads by 13 to ted cruz, by the way, the one who called trump a sore loser in last place at 14 . You have to actually be losing. In both of those polls in last place. In connecticut, the poll shows trump with a 34 advantage. 59 to 25 for kasich. Ted cruz at just 13 . Now thats losing. In maryland well, thats who is the sore loser here. Hes not sore, though. Thats the thing. Hes just a loser. Im going to contest that. I think hes very sore. Can i just say as we look at this connecticut republican primary number and just try to breathe in ted cruzs comment about donald trump being a sore loser that this is just really epitomizes what weve seen this entire Campaign Season where you have a bunch of goofballs that are running for president. And they dont speak straight to the American People. It looks like all of their everything they say they practiced or theyve gotten from a focus group or pollsters have told them, you have to say this line because this and remember we used to always mock them for going out after they came in third place and said tonight is a night that we made history. You know, marco rubio was awesome at doing that. He lost like 13 races and every time hed give a speech saying this is the one. This is the loss thats going to make me president. And so you have ted cruz going out calling the guy who is winning every contest a sore loser. And it just it reinforces the fact that theyre all full of and its going to be hard for them to say those things tonight because donald trump likely will win all five, if he doesnt win all five, hell win four. What do you say tomorrow night if you are ted cruz or john kasich . How do you make the case if you are literally mathematically eliminated in ted cruzs case that you still should be the nominee . What is the case they credibly can make . It becomes very tough tomorrow morning. Voters would like somebody to go, boy, its a rough night. I got the hell kicked out of me. So you know what were going to do . Were going to work harder next week and fight to earn peoples vote. However you want to spin it. But just tell the people the truth. The longer this goes othe more was it Time Magazine a year ago, 14 months ago said this was the greatest field of republican candidates in the history of the Republican Party . Was it it was somebody. A magazine. Horrible. The dialogue over the past six, seven months, specifically, has just gone straight down hill. Each and every day, straight down hill. And you dont get a guy coming up, or anybody coming up with common sense saying, boy, i lost today. It was a tof one. Were going to move on and go to the next state. What is going on here, mr. Halperin . What neither of the two remaining candidates have answered, if donald trump is such a liberal, horrible, unprincipled person, why does he keep winning republican nomination contests in the northeast, in the south and because he gets closer to what joe was saying than the other do in terms of speaking to the public. They havent answered that question about what theyre going to say after tonight. How do they answer the fact that trump keeps winning. Trump cant win a general election. Thats not enough. Lets hear from in maryland, ppp has trump with a lead over kasich. And in delaware, 55 to 18 for kasich. So we told you that ted cruz and john kasich were going to stay out of each others way in key upcoming states. You could argue they were working together colluding. That word apparently you can do that. Their campaigns announced that kasich would bow out of indiana and cruz would let kasich go after new mexico and oregon. But yesterday morning that plan, like it just hit a little bit of a road block. No, no, no, im not going to go tell anybody how to vote. They can but look. This is a matter of resources and we are running a National Campaign and we want to apply our resources where we think they can be used most effectively. Its all designed to stop Hillary Clinton from being president. Ive never told them not to vote for me. They ought to vote for me but im not over there campaigning and spending their resources. Im not campaigning in indiana and hes not campaigning in these other states. Thats all. Thats all it is. Thank you, guys. Its not a big deal. The plan had some glaring flaws. Whats wrong . You didnt like watching him eat . Trump talked about that. I like kasich. Do we have that . Kasich is great. For one, a lot of the vote in indiana is theyve already voted. Early voting. More than doubled. Its more than doubled. More than 60,000 64,000 absentee ballots were requested. Willamette week in oregon first to report the Kasich Campaign does not information on the pamphlet sent out to oregon voters. The secretary of state confirms its because the campaign did not send one in. Its all, of course, served as fodder for, of course it has everything has. Can i just ask what . Its like mitt romneys speech. Does anybody at this table think that when they decided to collude that donald trump didnt just win another week . Absolutely. This is whats going on . Were not carrying the guys water. Were not. We cant help it. Theyre bringing the water over to him and saying would you like some more from the well . Theyre all just going and putting it right you dont have to carry Donald Trumps water because the idiots who are running against him and have been running against him for a year have been carrying his water for him, and the paper has been carrying his water for him. And the Political Class has been carrying they play right into his hands. How stupid. Trump talks about rigged election. Rigged elections against him for two or three weeks in a row. And then they bring in even more. Lets collude. So here is served up by ted cruz and john kasich, donald trump. All right. They made a deal, right, that cruz was going to take indiana. How weak is that . How pathetic is it when they use collusion . How weak does this make them look . Its going to make them look weak and pathetic, which they are as politicians. But kasich this morning said, what are you talking about . I want people in indiana to vote for me. In other words, he broke the deal. He broke the deal. This is politicians, folks. They are all talk, no action. Theyll never get you there. Cruz and kasich, now lets talk kasich. Kasich is doing worse than many of the people that left months ago. I mean if you look at marco rubio, he did much better than kasich. He had more he to this day has more delegates. This is just a guy who is a stubborn guy, who eats like a slob and shouldnt have press conferences while hes stuffing stuff down his throat. Honest, ive never seen anything like it. This is a stubborn guy. Im not leaving. Im not leaving. Hes 1 for 42. Folks, we are doing so well. Again, millions and millions of votes more than lyin ted. Millions and millions more votes than 1 in 42 kasich. I call him 1 in 42. He has one win, and i think they said 42 losses. Were moving along pretty rapidly. I wish i could have gone two days up to ohio. We would have won and he would be 0 for 44. What is he doing . Hes just a stubborn guy. Thats all he is. Hes a stubborn guy. Hes like if you have a child. He just says, i want it, mommy. I dont care, mommy. I want it, daddy. I dont care. I want it. Thats all he is. Kasich is going around begging people for money. Hes begging. Hes going around, please can i have money . I want to continue onward, even though im 1 for 43, i think if is. Please, please, im going to win. So were going to pick a guy that over a year got creamed, right . Got creamed. And were going to let him because so you explain how thats done. You would have a revolt. You would have at a minimum nobody, all these millions of people that have joined the Republican Party which makes it so hot. All of these people will never vote. They will never vote for anybody probably, but they certainly wont be voting for a republican. Thats a man on fire. He knows where he is in the race. You saw him in rhode island and pennsylvania last night. Hes excited. He knows whats on the horizon tonight, and hes looking to vaporize the final two road blocks in his way. He was critiquing john kasichs eating. He gets right to the things people are most interested and most concerned. Kasichs eating habits, about stuffing i think we have that clip . Did you ever see a man eat like this . Im always working with my son. Little tiny pieces, barron. This guy is shoving pancakes i never saw anything like it. Its pouring out of his mouth. And the cameras are on him. I dont know. Look. Thats not president ial, i can tell you. Not president ial. Willie geist. I like how he emphasized, thats not president ial. What i did, though, thats president ial. Its a good line. Im always working with my son. Small bites. Small bites always. He struggled to define john kasich. Hes sort of dismissed him throughout. Now hes going with the eating thing. 1 for 42. Thats his thing. Still ahead Michael Bloomberg said thanks, but no thanks. But do these primaries prove the country is ready for a third party candidate. The keystone states former governor ed rendell joins us. Plus, Chris Jansing, ka katy tur and Kristen Welker join us from the campaign trail. High anxiety in the middle of the country. We get these days two and three times every spring where well get tornados. We just dont know where theyre going to occur. Already some reports of hail in the last 12 to 24 hours. Some large hail, too, outside of san antonio. Some small golf ball size hail in there. Quarter to nickel sized hail mixed in. Today will be much worse, much bigger. Already this morning, severe thunderstorm watches northeast kansas including st. Joseph, missouri. 1 1 2 to 2inch size hail and tennis ball sized hail. This close to the storms thats going to be spreading toward st. Joes into kansas city. The worst morning commute. Here we are this afternoon, 3 00 p. M. Classic warm, humd air. Cold air collision over the top of the i35 corridor. We have a strong risk of severe storms from areas right along the red river through Oklahoma City and norman to wichita into southern nebraska. 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At some point, if you want to be president of the United States, you have to get familiar with the United States. Dont just fly that big jet in and land it and go make a big speech and insult everybody you can think of and then go back, get on that big jet and go back to, you know, your country clubhouse in florida or penthouse in new york. What do you think of that . I think the position of Hillary Clinton as the working mans hero is a difficult one. Yes. I dont think she drives a Station Wagon across the country. I think she flies in a plane as well. But maybe standing next to donald trump she can pull that off. No, she has since 1978 im waiting for her to announce her favorite food is pork rhines and wmzq is her favorite radio station. Were seen president ial candidates running and become all populist even though their background would suggest theyre not. People pull it off. Maybe shell pull it off. Donald trump does live in a big building. Shes got a building on fifth avenue named after her. Founder of politico joining us. New article entitled bring on a third party candidate. Mr. Trumps vulgar approach to politics is a terrific middle finger to the establishment but a terrible political and governing paradigm. If someone turned the critique, passion and disdain shared by the two movements into a new one, they could change it in meaningful ways. Only an outside force can knock washington out of its governing rut and the presidency is the only place with the power to do it. I will throw out a possible name. The innovation party. Who is against innovation especially when winning campaigns are almost always about the future. All it needs is a candidate. You mika. Mika as the innovation candidate. Isnt the system, though, just built to discourage Third Party Candidates. No doubt. Its a reason Michael Bloomberg ended up not running. He would be great. Why is it so hard . When you have a democrat with 57 disapproval and republican with 75 disapproval. Its very hard to get on every ballot. Youre running against two parties extremely established and organized in all 50 states. The point of the column is we all get asked, whats going on with politics . We laugh at donald trump, have fun with this stuff. People saying what changes it . I will say having watched this stuff for 20 years, im increasingly convinced its going to be very hard for the two parties to change the country quick enough to take advantage of this moment. For all our belly aching, the country is so well positioned to kill it in the next ten years if you get a couple of things right. If you look at the rise of china and europes slump. Were very well positioned but you have two parties locked in a conventional approach to politics that havent thought about technology both as a political device and as a governing device. Thats why so many people are deflated and stay out. And the question here would be, is there an opening . The opening is this. 40 of people dont vote. 40 who consider themselves independents. And a lot of people inside both parties that dont really like their own parties. The right person, it goes to you. I would say this person should run for president. My point was, lets look at the lessons from sanders, from trump. How could you harness those to disrupt politics. Youd have to find the right person. And there you have two massive outsiders that have actually just turned the entire process on its head. And showed just how weak the Party Systems are especially on the republican side. A lot of people see in trump someone who will change things. He is the epitome of not business as usual. Someone who will change things in big ways. And if he is president , increasingly, republicans are thinking about the prospect of, could trump as a dealmaker make the equivalent of an independent president , even though hes running as a republican. You said in the piece this candidate will have to exploit the fear factor. That sounds cynical. What do you mean by that . Im talking about, the country is scared. The threat of terrorism is going to be faced forever. And the right candidate has to put somebody who has military experience. And i say modern military experience on the ticket or at the top of the ticket because that is never going to change. One of the things about politics, all of our debates feel stale, old, something we should have been talking about ten years ago. Now you have isis which is a metastasized version of al qaeda. Its only going to metastasize into something worse. We dont really have the war powers that allow us to move with some kind of congressional approval to kill terrorists before they kill us. My thing is you have to have somebody who can talk about that and understand that politically, yeah, it is cynical but i have to understand i just dont know who that is. Someone i would say petraeus if he hadnt gone through his stuff. Someone who has some experience. Gates. Has a ton of experience. Definitely part of the establishment. Thats the problem is how do you hes worked for both parties. Both sides of the aisle. And both sides like him a lot and probably on the right side of these debates more than anyone. These debates are hard to be on the right side of them. Someone you could throw on them. Coming occuup michael re joins us to talk about the lessons big and small his father wbr id wbr89029 shared with him. And behind the scene s standoffs part of Hillary Clinton and president obama when wbr id wbr89330 she was secretary of state. b ok team, what if 30,000 people download the new app . Were good. Okay. What if a Million People download the new app . Were good. Five million . Good. We scale on demand. Hybrid infrastructure, boom. Ok. What if 30 Million People download the app . Were not good. Were total heroes. 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I dont tell my voters what to do. First of all, i dont have voters. There are people in indiana who have to make a conclusion. If im not there campaigning, ill get fewer votes than if i were over there campaigning, the same way ted cruz will get fewer votes in oregon because hes not there. I dont understand what the big deal about this is other than the fact he and i would both e prefer to have an open convention. Its only confusing, governor, because ive never heard a president ial candidate be unwilling to go on television and tell people in a given state, vote for me. With us now the former Communications Director for george w. Bush, Nicolle Wallace and katy tur who is covering the trump campaign. Unfortunately, she got the Boring Campaign to cover. So, nicolle, what gives with that performance again . It makes candidates look weak. Makes them look like theyre colluding. Its the worst of all worlds and the best of all worlds for donald trump. Were both fans of the Campaign Kasich has run. Hes the one republican out of 17 who hasnt twisted and contorted himself to sort of shape his Campaign Around trump. This is the first time he has, and i think it will end the way the other 15 guys ended. And i think the kasich brand was he was doing his thing. Staying positive. Giving hugs. And now he has sort of rolled himself up in the cruz brand which is win at any cost which in my view, you end up losing by winning. This may not help kasich as much as it helps cruz. Lets play everyones favorite game. When show was joe was in congre. No one stops you if you are going 90 miles an hour. Nobody stops you if you are going 90 miles an hour. Thats how trump has run his entire campaign. That was john kasich in a ditch looking for a back hoe to pull him out. Well, and talking about processes like the stupidest thing possible. Trump talks about process at his best when he says its rigged. He talks about it being rigged against american voters. Kasich and cruz are saying were doing this unorthodox thing to help ourselves. To stop trump because we want to be the nominee. Not taking the extra step and saying, the reason were taking this extraordinary step because it would be ruinous for the Republican Party if donald trump represents the Republican Party. Who has a worst brand in republican politics than the stop Trump Movement. Cruzs campaign is looked as as incredibly proficient. Kasich has an incredible amount of personal integrity. The stop Trump Movement is viewed as largely unsuccessful, largely uncoordinated. I think they both came down a notch by looking like the new and lastditch figure heads for a largely failed effort. And a failed establishment that donald trump has run over. Katy, wisconsin went badly for donald trump. And the two weeks since, though, hes been able to talk about rigged elections, rigged process. Hes focused on a message. This idea that it is rigged. That the voters are being disenfranchised by ted cruz, john kasich, this idea of an open convention. And i think thats working for him. Its an easy thing to understand that these candidates dont want you to vote. They want the power to be with the insiders at the convention and theyll make the deals in this complicated process that no one has ever really heard of but is only relevant now because nobody likes donald trump. The reality is, if this was another candidate, this would be over at this point. Talk about what you see on the campaign trail. A while there we thought wed have to buy you a football helmet. But since chicago, specifically since wisconsin, things have seemed to be largely quiet out there at the rallies, at the, you know, for a couple of weeks. Talking about violence and the calls for violence. Theres still protests at his rallies. Theyre not as many as there were. It seemed like the south really inflamed tensions when we went south. We were in a big city, thats when things got more raucous. Thats why we didnt see him campaign in new york city proper. He didnt do a single rally in any of the boroughs or manhattan, i should say. In that way it certainly has calmed down. It still gets rowdy at rallies and he turns all the supporters against the press. Its not quite as jarring as it was in the beginning, or maybe weve become so used to it. A combination. Do you sense that there has been a change in the structure from your Vantage Point . Internally, yes. Internally as far as discipline goes. I think so. In a lot of ways hes becoming a more disciplined candidate. Hes sticking to talking points. Sticking more to talking points than before. Sometimes mocking his own talking points. You can hear what they told him behind closed doors. Tone it down. Try not to attack the rnc. He says it on stage. Its part of the show. Hes chasing against it a little thats the word i was going to use, chafing. The candidate is chafing against people saying, dont go on tv. Dont say this. Dont do that. That lasts for so long. Campaigns succeeded on four simple words, let trump be trump. I think hes comfortable with some of these changes and less comfortable with others, and i think that the family in particular, i think, is like most political families, zealously guards where his comfort zone is because its right now hes on track to be the nominee and then theyll worry about the Convention Running mate. This notion of like a full makeover is overstated. You could never fully make over donald trump. Hes always going to be himself. We saw him chafe against it and come out against it yesterday when he started personally attacking john kasich again. We hadnt heard those sort of attacks in a while. He went on in three separate rallies for trashing him for the way he ate pancakes. Also over the weekend him debating himself on whether he should be president ial. The teleprompter. He is now on another big, bad winning streak. I wonder if he regresses or if he he says i dont need to do this. I need to go back to spending the amount of money. And i want to be me. And that was part of the reason why Corey Lewandowski was so successful, he allowed donald trump to do what he wanted to do. And were going to find out if these big changes, these Paul Manaforts and whatnot are the ones that stick around or if corey comes back into more control. Its an interesting, internal dynamic. Thats a nice way of putting it. Dynamic. And its moving by the moment. Katy, tur, thank you. Still ahead, more from nbcs arsenal of campaign reporters. Kasie hunt and Kristen Welker and Chris Jansing all join us. Is Hillary Clinton a hawk . Bernie sanders refused to answer that question when i asked him that last hour. Well talk to the author of a new book raising that question again. Real is touching a ray. Amazing is moving like one. Real is making new friends. 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We figured wed bring in the actual author of the piece, though its more fun talking about the piece than talking about the person who knows the stuff about the piece. But we thought wed break tradition and bring out White House Correspondent who is out with a new book alter egos. And director of the earth institute, jeremy sack. We brought him on to give us a yes or no answer. Is Hillary Clinton a hawk . She sure is and what a great book. Thank you for being here. You accomplished your hawk exclamation point. You are like a male preying mantas. Youve done your job. So we had a discussion yesterday around the table about whether Foreign Policy would change under a president Hillary Clinton as opposed to what its been over the past eight years under barack obama. What does alter egos tell us about the answer to that question . I think it suggests it could in a couple of ways. I think her instincts, as you all pointed out, are much more her reflexes, much more to think about military force as an option. To think about intervention as something that can lead to go outcomes. I think president obama historically if you go back and look at his history, where he comes from and how he looks at intervention, hes inclined to think it ends badly. That the u. S. Ends up mucking up these things. Hes been as much of a skeptic, obama, regarding intervention and force as Hillary Clinton and bill clinton have actually been advocates of intervention for change. That be correct . If you go back and look at the balkans and in particular the role that she took as first lady in terms of the private advice she was giving to the president , she tended to be on the interventionist end of the spectrum. She tended to be more inclined in that direction. If you go back and look at the language she used in justifying her vote for the iraq war, she talked about the need sometimes to be even somewhat unilateral. They couldnt get the russians to sign on to the kosovo operation. Remember the clintons went ahead and did it anyway. So i think there is an established history here, and, look, within the bounds that every new president faces, president s cant necessarily do everything they want. Theres generally continuity in Foreign Policy. People are often surprised by how much continuity there is. So within those kind of general confines, i think sthere would e a difference. If you look at the clintons, bosnia. The war there. The war in kosovo. You look at iraq. You look at tripling the number of troops in afghanistan. Look at syria. Hillary clinton libya. Of course libya. Headquarter h Hillary Clinton has always been on the side of intervention. When is the one time that she was the dissenter against intervention around the table . I think what people need to understand and what america doesnt understand is we keep trying to overthrow governments. Iraq, syria, libya. Do you fear Hillary Clinton would do that . She advocated three times, regime change. Three times this regime change attempt got us into an incredible mess, and if you look at isis today, its the direct result of these actions. Its not something that came from outside. Its caused by disrupting iraq, syria, putting in huge amounts of money into jihadists. Who is hillarys ally all the way through her time as secretary of state . Its saudi arabia. Who is pumping money into the jihads that we use together with the saudis to overthrow other regimes. This is the story that is so sad because then she says im tough. Im going to fight isis. But its the regime change operations that cause isis to have its place in iraq and syria and libya. I think with all due respect, its a very debatable point, but its debatable but central to american policy. Its a vald point of view, but thats debatable as well. Isis in libya, isis in syria. Many think isis because we consciously disrupted three and we consciously failed to establish a forces agreement. We overthrew who wrote the book, the article that fueled such a conversation yesterday. What is there inside the hillary world that is uncomfortable with people talking about her strong relationships while she was on the Senate Armed Services committee . Lindsey graham and john mccain and Hillary Clinton traveled during the wars to these they thought she was responsible, smart. David petraeus praised her policy making and secretary gates in his book, he sat in that chair and talked about some of those internal deliberations. Why are they so defensive about this analysis . You know, honestly, i didnt find them really defensive. I spoke too andrew shapiro. He walked me through her relationships with general hoggenbeck, with general cain and petraeus. In the context of a democratic primary, i guess i understand that. The answer the question kind of answers itself. This is probably not the precise moment to be making this point. I bet in a thats why its a brilliant time to release the book. As she pivots, which shell start doing soon, i think youll see a greater comfort with talking about this. Its incredible that you quote her Foreign Policy adviser Jake Sullivan as saying that were now heading towards a more muscular brand of american Foreign Policy. Weve had three wars of regime change. Three wars during the last eight years. Every one has ended up disaster. Now well have even more war . Thats what hes saying. Based on her record and resume and positions, could she someone with her exact profile have been george w. Bushs secretary of state . Of course. Yes, i think so. Look, do i think she would have been comfortable with the iraq war as it played out . Obviously not. She voted against the surge. You can argue why, but she did. But in terms of her world view, i think that she falls into a very mainstream american Foreign Policy tradition. In fairness, george bush was probably off the center line, too, and obama is off on the other side. She falls squarely in the middle. Thats where id put her. She did support a 98 regime change. And to be fair to her, what clinton did in 98, he clearly wanted regime change. He wanted it through the ballot box. He was not talking about sending in the 82nd airborne. Thats one distinction thats a reasonable one to make. But he made it. Made as a matter of american Foreign Policy the regime change of another country in the irab luberation act which was then used to defend the iraq war in 2003. This is great. Very excited you are here. I hope youll come back and talk about it more. Let me ask you the question and all of you studying Hillary Clintons Foreign Policy and the positions as they first lady, as a senator and secretary of state. Can you name a time when she was the dissenting voice against intervention . Or has she always been on the side of intervention whenever the majority around the table supported intervention . In the major war and peace debates in the obama administration, which i principally focused, she was always on the side of taking action. Can i make one last point very quickly . Sure. The second part of this book is about the diplomatic initiatives that president obama undertook. I dont want toy y ineglect th part of the book. The opening of cuba, the iran nuclear deal, controversial politically for him. She played a very odd role in some of those. She did a lot of spade work for iran but some of the biggest risk taking happened after she left. And one of the things i report is she would have favored a new round of sanctions after rouhani was elected president. That is where president obama pleaded with congress to hold off, to see whether he could get a deal done. She would have squeezed him again and seen what would have happened. I agree on that. Thank you so much for being with us. Alter egos mark, thank you. Congratulations. Dr. Jeffrey sachs. Id love for you to stick around and make trouble if you can. Oh, okay. Love to, but im off. Still ahead inside the donald trump rally. 10,000 people. What supporters think about him trying to be more president ial. And also the John Kasich Ted Cruz side deal. Well talk about that and much more when morning joe continues. Hi every mom is a coach. An artist. Sometimes even a zoologist. Every mom is a working mom. And its working moms everywhere who inspired us to work harder. So we made our banquet meals even better. With mashed potatoes now made with real cream and chicn strips with 100 natural chicken breast. So now, theres more to love with banquet. Now serving. A better banquet. First they limit where you earn bonus cash back. Es at you . Then those places change every few months . I think ill pass. 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